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Helmuth:
Ridy: 5 more games, max. Franz, we are going to have to find something else to talk about.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, May 28, 2004 at 21:38:57 (UTC)

Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Helmuth and Franz - Guess what Minnesota is watching on TV? The Stanley Cup Playoffs. Who would have thought that would ever happen. See what your educational comments have done. Thank you. May the better team win.
- 209.240.245.154 - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 01:07:33 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia: Thats wonderful and for tonight the better team did win. Of course the next game will probably be won by Tampa and as they are a great team we will be saying the best team won that one. Looks like its going to be a down to the wire series.
Helmuth: Well what do you think of that! Lets hope Sophia found it entertaining enough to see who wins the cup.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 05:22:41 (UTC)

Helmuth:
PZ participants, I would like all of you who are frequent visitors to send me an email to hwk@KT3L.com. This is in case I have any important announcements, etc., I can copy everyone in. Much appreciated and continue to enjoy the PZ and your Holiday weekend!
- 24.3.227.190 - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 13:23:14 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Franz, yes now we have Trix interested...well Minnesota is a big hockey state. My gut impression is that Calgary has siezed control of the series, but you never know. It becomes a war of attrition toward the end.
- 24.3.227.190 - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:07:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
Helmuth and Franz -
It becomes a war of exhaustion toward the end! :)LOLOL

- 64.229.178.11 - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:26:41 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy: good one, but tomorrow night might bring the end closer than we think. Could be Calgary in 5 but ???? We finally have some sunshine here, after about 4 days of rain.
Paul: you are always so kind as to wish everyone a good weekend so its time I said the same to you even if the weekend is almost over.
Regina: Don't forget the game tomorrow night!
Sophia: You too!
Helmuth: Just when I thought Calgary was a bit too rough Tampa would show their muscle but I didn't like the into the boards push that caused such bruising to the Tampa youngster..don't know all Tampa players names. Hope the remainder of the series is reasonably clean.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 22:24:20 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
THANK YOU FRANZ-IAM AM NOT MUCH OF A CONTRIBUTOR HERE LATELY-BUT I DO ENJOY THE PLAUDERZIMMER...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 03:47:19 (UTC)

Regina:
Hi, everyone. Hope you all had a good weekend. It's almost gone it's a quarter to nine here in Kamloops.
Yes, Franz I will be watching this one! I missed the latest game. For the last three days haven't watched any news or read any papers. So I'm behind on the news, especially sports.
Great to hear Sophie is watching the Hockey games too.
Ridy hope the Flames win the next game too. Hooray for them.
Hope the weather improves so I can get outdoors (gardening)
and go for a walk also.
I agree about the fighting, I get very impatient when they fight and want them to get on with the game. I don't like the fighting at all.
Well, Franz, Sophie and Helmuth enjoy watching the game on Monday night! You too Ridy?
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 03:55:34 (UTC)

Guenter Lobe:
Hallo
Ich suche Nachkommen von Josef Lobe geb.1880 Ausgewandert 1905 nacn Boston , 1906 gewohnt in Brocklyn. sowie Aloisia Lobe geb 1888 in Weißenstein, sie hat Heinrich Tscherne in Brocklyn geheiratet Ausgewandert 08.05.1905 Ferner suche ich Nachfahren von Frank Fischer- LOBE- wohnhaft in Springtown PennY.
- 80.146.61.193 - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 18:54:11 (UTC)

Guenter Lobe:
Nachtrag.
habe leider meine E_MAIL vergessen Hier ist Sie

Guenlo@T-Online.de
- 80.146.61.193 - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 18:58:29 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Just in case someone who could help Guenter Lobe needs a translation of his posting, he is looking for descendents of Josef Lobe, born in 1880, emigrated to Boston in 1905, and lived in Brooklyn in 1906; as well as Aloisia Lobe, born in 1888 in Weißenstein. She married Heinrich Tscherne in Brooklyn. Emigrated in 08/05/1905. Additionally, he is looking for descendents of Frank Fischer-Lobe, who lived in Springtown, Pennsylvania.
Guenter Lobe’s e-mail address is Guenlo@T-Online.de.

- 64.229.178.11 - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 21:24:16 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Hilde Kobetitsch,, I am looking for the address for the Catholic Dioces of Cleveland, or St.John's Cthedral or Holy Trinity Church, Looking for cousin who was ordained ai St, John's in 1939 Reverend John J. Pertz. Can any one help me with the address. Cannot seem to get it from information.
If anyone can help Please e-mail me at CSSharpie@Aol.Com
Thank You Christine
- 198.81.26.71 - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 22:17:08 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hey Helmuth and Franz - Minnesota is waiting for your analyis of the game tonight. Regina feel free to add your thoughts. Enjoyed all that I was able to watch. Still drizzling and very nippy here but no damage. Gute Nacht.
- 209.240.237.140 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 04:17:02 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hey Sophia, so happy you saw some of it, it was a very hard hitting game by Tampa and Calgary just wasn't quite as sharp as they were on Saturday... but wait til Thursday!!!.
Regina glad you got to watch this game but you would have liked Saturday's better.
Helmuth I still wouldn't want to bet a large sum on the final outcome although Calgary has so many injured players it may start to take its toll what with travel and all but they seem to have a way of bouncing back as does Tampa. Rainy here this morning(but mild)and then we had a nice sunny afternoon so got some gardening done before the game. Games here have such an early start, 5pm here, so the fans in the East don't have to stay up all night.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 04:45:07 (UTC)

Helmuth:
You notice in each game the team scoring first has won. Nonetheless the Flames were in Game 4 until the very end when Niemenen took a dumb major penalty for boarding Lacavalier. I never did like Niemenen, even when he played for the Penguins.
Franz, I'm with you, it's still anybody's series. It seems like whoever will work the hardest will win. Also for Tampa to win Khabibulin must make NO mistakes.
Well that's my analysis. I don't think Don Cherry has anything to worry about!
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 11:27:58 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I have been reviewing all the hockey messages. It has been a very good series. Is anyone following basketball? I am a Lakers fan. The Timberwolves played a good series but the Lakers were able to advance to the finals. Sorry about that Trix. It might have been a different story if crazy man Cassell had been healthy.
- 205.188.116.137 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 14:28:06 (UTC)

hilde kobetitsch:
Christine Petschauer

The address for the Diocese of Cleveland is

1027 Superior avenue, Cleveland Ohio 216-696-6525
www.dioceseofcleveland.org

Hope this will help, I am not familiary with Father Pertz. If I find out something about this, I will also writte to you.

Have a good day

Hilde

- 162.39.41.66 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 16:13:16 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry I couldn't log on Sunday night. Both Saturday and Sunday night the area was hit hard by tornadoes. Our house and development are safe. North Missouri not so lucky. You might see the names Cameron, Maysville, DeKalb county on national news. That area is close to Iowa border. Anyway, our family is safe. This has been a very bad tornado season.
- 4.244.192.139 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 20:05:56 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Margaret, glad you're safe and sound with no damage.
- 24.3.227.190 - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 22:19:12 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Jim: I didn't know much about basketball but I was learning a little when we got the Vancouver Grizzlies. Before I could become a dedicated fan they were stolen from us and I haven't watched since. I have seen my wife watching when Utah Jazz play... because of #12, a little guy from Vancouver Island. As you are a Laker fan I will be thinking of you when I read the sports page from now on.
Margaret: We saw on TV how bad the storms were and like Helmuth I am glad everything is ok.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, June 02, 2004 at 02:58:33 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Hilde Kobetitsch: This is a 2nd cousin I am hoping that
this will lead me to other cousin's in the Cleveland area.
I have his photo and ordination invitation if this would help I would be happy to send you copie's of these.Also have
photo of grandmother's sisters (3) who lived in Cleveland
( one who is the mother of Rev. John j. Pertz)if this would help?
Herbert Mausser: Thank you very much for the info, sent you an e-mail. Thank you all again, Christine
- 198.81.26.6 - Wednesday, June 02, 2004 at 22:10:16 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi hope you all are having a nice week I wounder if anyone did watch the 5th estate on CBC tonight and what is your take on it .
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, June 03, 2004 at 05:02:21 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Franz. I did not watch the 5th Estate. What was that all about?
We are having a beautiful day. Hope the same is true in Vancouver. Greetings to all the Gottscheers. By the way Franz, Ron Schuss of your lovely city will be joining us in Minneapolis, at the end of the month, to attend our annual meeting of the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. If you have any specific questions regarding the GHGA or our work, give Ron a call, introduce yourself and pose your question. Also, we have 2 new publications available. The first GOTTSCHEE BETWEEN THE WARS and the GOTTSCHEER VILLAGES. It's possible he could bring them back to Vancouver for you should you be interested in purchasing them. I guarantee it, you will enjoy them.
- 209.240.245.129 - Thursday, June 03, 2004 at 13:40:10 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia, it is a beautiful day here also, and they promise us at least one more . Yes I will give Ron a call before he leaves as I am interested in the publications and if he doesn't mind bringing them that would be great. I will email you for the cost as it will have to be in US Funds. Thanks again for the info.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, June 03, 2004 at 18:00:05 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Fr. John Pertz was located at the Holy Trinity church, Cleveland in 1948 as per the Gedenkbuch listings. Pretty sure it is the same person.
- 205.188.116.10 - Thursday, June 03, 2004 at 21:06:08 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good morning Helmuth
So what do you think 1 or 2 more ?
Regina how is Kamloops reacting to the win.I bet they are going wild in Calgery.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, June 04, 2004 at 12:17:05 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Good morning Franz and everyone, indeed Calgary dominated game 5 and I don't think it ever should have gone to overtime. Tampa has a huge obstacle to overcome now and winning the last two games will be a huge challenge for them. The Flames are simply playing with more desire.
- 170.201.180.33 - Friday, June 04, 2004 at 13:40:49 (UTC)

:
OK everybody! Listen up!
Smarty Jones is going to win tomorrow and become the first Triple Crown winner since 1978!
Maybe we could all chip in a quarter and place a PZ bet on him! Who is game? Where do we bet?
- 64.229.178.11 - Friday, June 04, 2004 at 23:04:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry - I got so carried away I forgot to identify myself!
- 64.229.178.11 - Friday, June 04, 2004 at 23:05:15 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy:I think you have a winner there. He is 8 for 8. Not many horses have a record like that. The only problem is that he is such a favorite we probably couldn't recover our quarters. You could put him with Purge and/or Rock Hard Ten and maybe that would pay a little.

- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, June 04, 2004 at 23:51:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040605/SLOVENIA05/TPTravel/TopStories

Ljubljana, or Laibach, as we Gottscheers called it, is the lead story in The Globe and Mail Travel Section today. If you are interested, you can access it on the above web address.
- 64.229.178.11 - Saturday, June 05, 2004 at 12:20:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
No Horseing around-Just wish everyone a pleasant weekend-and hope your weather isbetter than ours is right now....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 05, 2004 at 18:12:03 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: Good one! and we are having rain today, but very mild. Even though we have no money on Smarty Jones we sure hope he wins. Its always nice when the little guy gets a break.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, June 05, 2004 at 19:23:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: Must tell you this--My middle son bet against Smarty Jones and won. The first time he has bet on a horse in many years.He wins and then says he felt sorry. Well now he has some more money to lose when he goes to Atlantic City.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 05:59:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Interesting day in sports ---- Smarty Jones lost that hockey playoffs go into a seventh game after two consecutive overtime games. Hopefully, the Lakers will simply put the Pistons away without as much excitement.

Anyone heading to the picnic in New York? I would like to go but I am working today. It will be a little on the cool side with some showers early on.
- 149.174.164.79 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 14:50:01 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Jim, yes it was an interesting day, along with the Gipper's passing.
Franz, Ridy, Regina: what is the Canadian press saying about Gelinas' near-goal in the third period? Very unfortunate but the NHL is adamant, no goal.
- 24.3.227.190 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 14:53:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Paul B.
Good on him he must have known somthing that the rest of us did not. $74 on a $2 bet, hope he had the right combination and cleaned up. I think a lot of people felt bad for Smarty including the winning Jockey and that was nice to see.

Ridy: good thing we did not bet the farm on him eh?

Helmuth: well I don't know what the flames will have to do to get that cup, or maybe its too late for them now. I guess we will have to wait and see. They sure got some bad press in our local papers after the last game in Tampa, even though they won, Tony Gallagher (Province paper)said they were a bunch of clutchers and grabbers and didn't deserve to be in the Stanley Cup. I saw a lot of clutching and grabbing last night but not necessarily by Calgary. Oh well, its just a game. Overcast, a little drizzle but mild here today. Its 8am here and time to be off to church.

- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 14:58:04 (UTC)

Sophia:
Everyone Good Morning and DANKE for the great comments. Believe it or not I watched most of the game. And on we go.
Think happy thoughts and enjoy a beautiful Sunday. I hope someone will report on the Gottscheer picnic in NY today. Minnesota is just to far away these days.
- 209.240.245.76 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 15:14:17 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message. We will be away this evening. Sorry about President Reagan. He was a good man. Summer setting in. Getting warm and humid. Hope the big picnic was a success today. Auf wiedersehen.
- 4.244.192.217 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 19:28:49 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Sophia,
We just got back from the Gottscheer picnic in Franklin Square. It was another cold, dreary day but, thank God, there was no rain while we were there. I don't know how it was this morning but the weather did keep a lot of people away as the attendance was not what it was in the past. It was nice to see lots of cousins and old friends (and we are getting older every year!). It was a good day.
- 64.12.116.134 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 22:44:00 (UTC)

Dodie:
How does one go about getting more information about the two books "Gottschee between the Wars" and "Gottschee Villages"?
- 152.163.252.163 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 22:56:57 (UTC)

Benny Romano:
Hi Sophia,
I have just spoken to my mom, and Pop and she just came back from the picnic at Franklin Square.
My Tante Erna and Uncle Fred was there too.
My uncle Fred works up in the Gottscher Hall.
My mom said the weather was bad, and there was not many people as in the past. I asked her if they picked a miss Gotttscher like they have done in the past, but mom said they dont chose any more there is one girl chosen all ready. I guess every thing is differnt thease days.
Have a nice week.
- 64.12.117.17 - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 23:02:34 (UTC)

A Friend:
Hello Benny Romano,

You are right; I observed the same as your mom, tante Erna and uncle Fred. Not as many people at the picnic as in the past.

The Gottscheer as a tribe are dying out. Soon no one will know who we were or care.

We have no one to blame but ourselves.

- 205.188.116.145 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:12:33 (UTC)

Sophia:
To A Friend: You write:

"The Gottscheer as a tribe are dying out. Soon no one will know who we were or care. We have no one to blame but ourselves."

These are very interesting comments. I am curious as to their meaning. Would you mind elaborating a bit? I would appreciate your thoughts even if you don't want to identify yourself.

Danke.

- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:24:20 (UTC)

Sophia:
Dodie, Ellie and Benny: THANK YOU for your comments. Appreciate the updates on the picnic. Sorry about the weather. No doubt about it, bad weather does make a difference in attendance.

Dodie: regarding your inquiry about the 2 latest GHGA publications. I can tell you that the publication, Gottschee Between The World Wars - The Years in Review - 1919 - 1940 sells for $23.00 including postage and handling;

The Village Sketches of Gottschee, in book form sells for $25.00 including postage and CD-ROM for $15.00, including postage. Individual pages of villages sell for $5.00 per village. The CD will be available only in PDF format.

To order the above publications make your check payable to GHGA and mail to Kate Loschke Baum, Treasurer, 5512 Leather Stocking Lane, Stone Mountain, GA 30087-1627.

I have both and they are excellent, informative and enjoyable reading. You will be happy!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND INTEREST.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:33:25 (UTC)

Sophia:
Whitle we are exchanging information about publications I might mention that the GHGA purchased 10 copies of the Gottscheer Liederbuch published by the Peter Kosler Gottscheer Verein in Slovenia. They sell for $17.00 including postage and the too can be ordered from Kate Loschke Baum. The book has 20 songsl complete with music. It is in the Gottscheer diealect with all songs tranlated into Slovenian, English and German and include songs about Homeland, Song of Love and Spiritual Songs. It is 50 pages long and a beautiful booklet.

I just know you will enjoy this one too.

Beautiful day in Minnesota.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:38:04 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
To the "friend" who does not identify himself or herself:
Yes, attendance is down. The past two years were rainy days that had a great impact on attendance. In addition, as there are fewer native born Gottscheers still alive, there is less incentive to go to the Volksfest but there are still a substantial number of middle agers like myself and younger Gottscheer descendents who do go to the picnic and enjoy visiting relatives and friends. Enough people still care and will keep the memories of Gottschee alive.
- 64.12.116.196 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:41:39 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Elfriede, I received your postal mail. Thank you. I have been meaning to join for a while. I will get around to it someday, I am sure.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:50:42 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
To Gregg Lickteig, Don't wait until someday - join today and begin receiving the benefits of membership.
- 64.12.116.81 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 01:52:23 (UTC)

Sophia in Minnesota:
Dear Gottscheers. Does anyone know whether or not the book Die Gottscheer Sprachinsel by Haufen was ever translated into English? It seems to me that I recall some discussion of that possibility but do not remember where or when. Would appreciate any information on it. Thanks.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 02:42:02 (UTC)

A Friend:
Friend to Sophia:

No point in explaining. To quote Schopenhauer: " Intellect is invisible to those who have little or none".

To Elfriede Stonitsch:
There was a time when rainy days had no impact on attendance. Yes, there are fewer native born Gottscheers still alive, but there is a large number of middle agers who lost their pride in being of Gottscheer origin.
As you say, some of us who do go, go to talk to relatves and friends and keep some meomories alive. Not because of being proud of who we are.

- 152.163.253.8 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 03:06:49 (UTC)

Sophia in Minnesota:
A Friend: No need to identify yourself. I am willing to bet money that I know who you are. Your ego gives you away.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 03:11:10 (UTC)

Jim:
someone seems to be very self impressed. Nuff said.
- 205.188.116.144 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 03:50:54 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Forgot my last name in the last message. I am sorry that I missed the event again. I would have gone whether it was raining or not but I was working all weekend. Perhaps next year.
- 205.188.116.135 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 03:52:15 (UTC)

Paul B. in N.Y.:
A friend: Whoever you are: I have not-ever-to this day seen any loss of pride in being a Gottscheer and I never will see that-I promise you...From my first encounter with the Gottscheer family that I married into; any loss of pride.I have enjoyed and loved my Gottsceer family since I first met them in 1940.Your comment is a disservice to the Gottscheer race.I live a few short miles from wher the picnic was today....I did not go. Other members of my family did not go And I can tell you that the weather had nothing to do with it. It was aging sickness mostly--Myself personally, even tho I am eighty years old- my absence had nothing to do with it.A re-occurrence of a life long intestinal problem kept me home. I am not going to bother to tell about the rest of the family,but I assure you it was not loss of pride in being a gottscheer that kept them home. Infirmity for some-etc, etc. I hope Friend thatyou never have to experiance these problems. Sorry folks for taking this to the Plauderzimmer,but I just could not let it go...Please forgive me...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 04:23:38 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: Nothing to forgive. I am impressed with your use of computers at 80 years of age. You should be very proud of yourself Paul.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 05:47:09 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Although I disagree with the tone of the semianonymous message, I am also worried about decreasing attendance and the aging demographics. In my family, there is some interest in these events but I wonder what is the best way to get the younger generations involved.

I am under no illusion that everything in Gottscheer history is great and wonderful but there is much to be admired in a group of people who perservered for hundreds of years in an often hostile environment. From what I have read and discussed, the homeland was not an easy place to farm or work but multiple generations succeeded. When the population became too large, many emigrated elsewhere and found success in their new countries. I thank Helmuth and other Gottscheers for the many online sites that allow me and others to find out more about our Gottscheer heritage and ancestry.

- 205.188.116.200 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 15:07:54 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Game 7 tonight! Any predictions? I'll say Tampa Bay wins 4-2. I suspect there will be other opinions! Ridy, the end is a few hours away.
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 18:11:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Way to go Helmuth- The air is much fresher now....Sorry I am not a sports guy.My sport used to be boxing-when it was a good clean sport-you know, like Joe Louis and the like-Dempsy-Schmeling-Sugar ray and so on...Tyson, unfortunately, in my opinion ruined the game...I still watch the welter weights late at nite on the cable.Any way, enjoy the game...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 21:10:53 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Greetings everyone, I want to thank everyone for helping me to locate Fr. John J. Pertz, my second cousin, Jim,Ridy,
Hilde, and Herbert Mausser with out you we could not have found him, I have been looking since 1981 and now at last
it has been accomplished,Thank you all again.
- 198.81.26.77 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 21:20:02 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: I am going to say Calgary wins 2-1. If Tampa does win I'm going to claim victory for Canada anyway as 14 or so of their players are Canadians so I really con't lose.
Paul: I have never been a boxing fan but my father-in-law really was, even back in the days before TV he would sit with his ear to the radio. Two of my wife's brothers were amateur boxers and have many medals, from the Golden Gloves etc. from when they were youngsters.
Sophia: Who is going to win tonight?
Ridy: I know you will just be glad its finally finished.
Christine: Thats wonderful that you found your relative after all those years. The PZ makes many things possible!
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 23:10:49 (UTC)

Sophia:
Good job of communicating Franz in Vancouver. Another smart Gottscheer.

I will go with Calgary.

We had an unexpected heat wave today - mid 90's. Talk about a shock. Give me 70's and I will never complain.

Enjoy the game.
- 216.251.169.16 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 23:32:36 (UTC)

Sophia:
Dear Participants: Dr. Jim writes in part:

" I am also worried about decreasing attendance and the aging demographics. In my family, there is some interest in these events but I wonder what is the best way to get the younger generations involved.

How to get the younger generation of Gottscheers involved is indeed an important issue. I, for one, would truly appreciate a good discussion. This, I am hoping, will have nothing to do with the fact, as A Friend wrote: that the Gottscheers have lost their pride of being of Gottscheer origin. THAT JUST IS NOT THE CASE. To my way of thinking this has to do with what part we, as parents have failed to do in educating our children about our heritage. Let us remember that it was expected that when one immigrated to America one was to leave the old country behind and concentrate on the fact that we were now Americans. Let us also remember that for the vast majority of us it was coming to a new land far away, knowing no English and starting over. In addition, let us also not forget the anti-German feelings around the time when the majority of us emigrated. So please let us NOT get hung up about "the loss of pride in being Gottscheers" but rather what can we do NOW to motivate, recruit and encourage our children and grandchildren to learn all they can about their Gottscheer heritage and their proud traditions.

- 216.251.169.16 - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 23:43:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sophia- Your piece below is well constructed. One more time about the loss of pride thing-there never was such a happening.If I never saw it from way back in 1940 and until this present day, then it never did exist, and still does not exist.As an "outsider", I bet that I have met and mingled with more Gottsheers(in this country) than some of you who are from the old school.My neighborhood inGlendale, N.Y. and neighboring ridgewood was predominately Gottscheers!!As far as the new breed, our children and all that-E-Mail is a much better way to discuss that situation and the many facets, ins and out, and whatever....How about it? Let us discuss our views in that matter-yes? I'm game at any way the majority goes on this one subject....And you, Sophia and Ridy, and some others a very well versed-so give it a go!!God bless Us All
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 01:27:54 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Just wanted to say I think the GHGA is a great association. I am proud to be a Gottscheer.My family cameto the U.S.A. in 1892and settled in Colorado,Unfortunately I did not know my grandfather he passed away before I was born and my Grandmother passed away
when I was just 5years old. So it has been difficult for me to get information until I found the GHGA this past February
since then I have been able to trace the family to the early
1700's. Jim Heimann, Liz Nick, Mary Mazzoni,Ridy and others
have been very helpful in my search. I am grateful and I hope GHGA goes on forever. I am in the later years of life so it was ever so important to me (74). My hat is off to all of you,
Greatfully
Christine
- 198.81.26.46 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 02:28:44 (UTC)

Sophia:
Helmuth und Franz: Everybody loves a winner. Congratulations to Tampa Bay. Can't wait until next year and y our excellent commentary. Now find another topic to debate. I am waiting.
- 216.251.169.16 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 03:09:15 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Sophia, we also congratulate Tampa Bay. I called the score right but got the team wrong. And we will have to find another topic, this has been fun. Weather here is nice and mild but no 90 degrees, thank heaven.

- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 03:43:36 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Christine Petschauer: Do you still live in Colorado? I live in Canon City, but my Gottscheer family lived in Iowa. I have traced them back to the 1700's also.
- 198.81.26.6 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 03:59:23 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Does anyone know Arnold and Marie Hutter, they live in the New York area. Have been meaning to ask for some time now if anyone happens to know them. What a change from all my hockey comments eh?
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 04:30:38 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Marilu Peschel Thurman: No I don't live in Colorado any
more I moved to Las Vegas in 1997 to be where my daughter
lives from Denver. My Colorado Gottschee family settled in Leadville until the 1920's, but i seem to remember the name
Peschel. My Grand father was a coal miner as was my father
at one time, before moving to Denver. My Gottschee's were
from Altlag Parish, village Kletsch #4 and Neubacher # 5
- 198.81.26.40 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 05:23:49 (UTC)

Helmuth:
No more hockey, what are we going to talk about? I guess I should have gone to visit Christine in Vegas and placed a bet on Tampa Bay when I picked them back in round two. Oh well. It's great to see Andreychuk lift the cup after such a long career.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 12:05:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Has anyone noticed how the PZ has turned into an almost everyday chat room, opposed to just Sunday night? I think that's great. Keep upthe good work folks...And have a great Tuesday..
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 17:14:30 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: You are absolutely right and I also think its great. Quite often I can't be online in real time on Sunday but I read all the messages when I can and add my 2 cents worth whenever I can. Our weather today is sunny and warm, my son and grandson (age 24) just came by on their bikes on their way for a 3 to 4 hour ride. I still like to ride but they go a bit too far and fast (and to many uphill grinds) for me. They invite me along when they are going on 1 to 2 hour jaunts. Its great to have the 3 generations of us riding together, I consider myself very blessed. Hope everyone is finally getting summer weather.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 17:45:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Franz, I have the same problem on Sunday.Usually we are in our favorite restaurant-most times until closing or close to it. But I, as you do read all the postings. The people are great, right? My "Bike" trips were back when I rode a motor cycle.But it was fun riding side by side with my kids who also rode Harleys..But those days are gone forever..I'm afraid to break any bones at this age. I still work and enjoy my life. Now i have taken enough space here..Have a good day...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 20:13:26 (UTC)

Regina Ramor Gardner:
Hi! My computor was down, no internet! So this morning the shaw cable guy came and fixed it all up again. It looks like I missed quite some conversations. I read it all.
Franz it's to bad the Flames didn't win but they sure gave it all in the last 10 minutes of the game.
Paul B, do you still live in Glendale? I have numerous 1st cousins that live there. Al Kump, his son Freddie. Al's sister Pauli Stiene and her daughtr Doris. Maybe you even know them?
I think it is up to us older generation to keep the Gottscheer flames alive. I know that some families that are having traditional get togethers every so many years.
I know that I would like to see a Schuss family reunion to be held in Richmond B.C. because there are cousins kids I have never met or seen, plus we are all Gottscheer.
Maybe that would be one way to keep the Gottscheer pride going in the youger generation. I'm sure some of them don't know much about their family history.
Also, does anyone know if people that have gone to the picnics (Gottscheer) have gotten to know oneanother and eventually married a Gottscheer.
I know of two young couples that met Gottscheers and are now married.
I also agree that going on the PZ anytime of week is great especially for me since we are not always home on Sunday night.

- 24.70.30.220 - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 22:53:48 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
I for one am just the opposite here. I never knew anything about Gottschee or my heritage until a year and a half ago. My Tramposch grandfather and Loschke grandmother, aunts and uncles all died when I was pretty young. My mother knew next to nothing either. I owe a lot of gratitude and thanks to the GHGA, Plauderzimmer, and many fellow Gottscheers for filling me in on my families past. I am enjoying the learning, and plan to pass it on to my children, although it may be the dilluted version since I never actually lived it. Still, there are many sources of information out there for me to learn from and pass on. I am only 38 and I'm sure I'm not the only younger Gottscheer enjoying the learning experience. I am hosting a Tramposch family reunion in KC in two weeks and plan on educating a lot of "uneducated" relatives on our heritage also. Gottschee will live on around me.
- 68.86.80.195 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 00:03:28 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Stand up and take a bow, Helmuth! The Plauderzimmer, which you so kindly provide for us, is obviously serving the purpose of putting some 'newly discovered' Gottscheers in touch with their heretofore unknown heritage and helping them with their search. Apart from this important function, it's also a fun place to be and exchange ideas with people who may never meet face to face, but who enjoy each others company. There are many ways for Gottscheers to keep in touch with each other, if they choose to do so, and the Plauderzimmer is just one of these. The best part is, of course, that you don't have to be a 100% Gottscheer to be welcome here, and to enjoy the company of the participants.
- 64.229.178.11 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 01:20:33 (UTC)

Sophia:
What a GREAT message Greg. Thank you much and do have a wonderful, wonderful reunion. Hope you will share.
- 209.240.245.82 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 02:00:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Greg, that is great-you're a man after my own heart.....Regina, How are you? I left Glendale to come out further on the island to open a restaurant. There was a Doris Stiene that lived a couple doors past our store in Glendale, and John Kump (a very fine gentlemen) who married Rose Rabuse who was my brother-in law John Rabuse sister..Long time ago-they all are predios memories of the past.So let's keep reading & posting on the Plauderzimmer to not only remeniesce but to learn and to make new friends.
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 02:37:59 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Christine: There were Peschel's in Cripple Creek also, but I have not found a connection between any of the Colorado Peschel's and my Iowa Peschels. Several families from Gottschee also lived in Canon City, Florence and Pueblo in the late 1800's. There are still some descendents in Pueblo, and maybe some in Canon City area also. It seems they traveled between Leadville, Pueblo and Clinton Co, Iowa and Ely, Minnesota.
- 198.81.26.48 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 02:42:34 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Paul: Did you know a Ludwig and Sophia Kump that lived on Floyd Street.
- 198.81.26.103 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 03:04:22 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Paul: Which Catholic Church would Ludwig and Sophia have attended, living on Floyd Street.
- 198.81.26.9 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 03:13:52 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Marilu:I don't know why but Peschel does seem to ring a bell with me. Strange you should meantion Cripple Creek, My Dad was listed in the 1920 Census as a gold miner, believe it was at Cripple Creek where he found the gold nugget he had a stick pin made from. It is still in the family. Dad worked many mines in the western slope of Colorado until
1936.When we moved to the Denver area. I actually moved down
here from Boulder a suburb of Denver However I grew up in
Denver.It was sometimes necessary when one mine would shut down the miners would seek employment in other mines, but most maintained homes , only the men went to other mines
until Leadville or??? reopened.
- 198.81.26.15 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 04:23:26 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Great posts, agreement all around folks. To Paul's point, it's great that everyone is chatting all through the week, not just Sunday. By all means - continue to do so! Believe me after almost 10 years of this site, looking back on the postings and logs, it's so great to know that I have contributed in some small way in getting so many people to connect with their Gottscheer heritage and/or extended family, this is very satisfying and illustrates how richly technology can enhance our lives.
- 24.3.227.190 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 10:25:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Marilu-Sorry, but I don't remember a Floyd St. The churches I knew were St. Pancreas where we were married,My wife Adeline Jaklitsch attended school there too. And when we moved up to 68th Ave and Fresh Pond Rd, it was St. Mathias. My first son attended St, Mathias school.Sorry I couldn't help you, but I bet the church and street names will stir up some memories among our Plauderzimmer friends! Last but not least:Helmuth, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 20:49:51 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Paul B.:
Hi, We were also married in St. Pancras 40 years ago. My husband and I both went to St. Pancras school. Marilu, neither my husband nor I can remember a Floyd Street. It may be in All Saints parish in Brooklyn where a lot of Gottscheers settled in the early 1900's.
- 149.174.164.18 - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 23:59:58 (UTC)

Marilu:
Elfriede and Paul, and anyone else from New York: Thanks for your replies. Do any of you remember a Ludwig and Sophia Kump, at any address?
- 198.81.26.9 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 03:14:59 (UTC)

Regina Ramor Gardner:
Hi, everytime I read messages here I feel like it is a second home for me.
Yes, Paul it is Doris Stiene my cousins daughter.
You said you are out on the Island, could that be Long Island? I also had an Aunt Rosalia (nee Schuss) Baumeister that lived on Long Island. Her daughter came out west to visit years ago. She came with a friend on a motorcycle all the way from NY to Vancouver, that must have been quite a trip. My sistr Olga would like to have gone to the Picnic in NY this year, I wish she had said so earlier and I would have gone with her. She said she would have liked to see some of the people she knows therel. One is Toni and Mari Pertaleisch house name,.
Does anyone know their house name? My families house name was Goldeish.
I sure enjoy the PZ and is great to visit with all of you.

- 24.70.30.220 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 06:03:37 (UTC)

JIm Heimann:
Without a doubt, the board and the chatroom have been the single most important site for me to connect with my family tree. Without it, I would not have found Holly who connected me with Helen and so on. Now, I try to help others out.

Anyone rooting for the Lakers? Sounds like the Gottscheers are a hockey loving lot. Being from Brooklyn, I still love watching hoops although I play only sparingly. I do, however, shoot my foul shots better than Shaq..
- 205.188.116.214 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 19:24:33 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Marilu,
I really enjoyed meeting you in Denver several years ago. It would be lovely to see you again. I don't recall hearing about a Ludwig and Sophia Kump. When did they live in New York? In the early years of the 20th century Gottscheers lived in Brooklyn (Red Hook, Bushwick and Bedford-Stuyvesant) and during the 40's, 50's and 60's they were in Ridgewood (which straddles the Brooklyn/Queens border) and although Gottscheers still live in Ridgewood, most of those who remain in the area now live in Glendale and Middle Village. The rest have scattered to Long Island, Connecticut, New Jersey and the rest of the country.
- 64.12.117.22 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 19:33:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Regina. I live in Bethpage, in Nassau county now. I don't think I could live anywhere other than Long Island.We know every twist and turn.We always say that the car knows exactly when to turn all by itself-Ha Ha....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 19:34:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elfriede: I started to go to St.Pancreas when i was 16 and got married there at 18. And i am not going to say how long we are married!!!!You know we could be cousins of a sort, just like we are with Ridy. I think it is called cousins far removed? I LIKE TO JOKE ABOUT,IT BUT I REALLY FEEL AS THO WE ARE REAL COUSINS, AND I LIKE IT....I HOPE RIDY DOES NOT GET MAD AT THIS REVELATION!!!NAAAAH, WE ARE ALL GOOD FRIENDS ON THIS WONDERFUL PLAUDERZIMMER, AND I THANK HELMUTH FOR ALL OF THIS....SO LET'S KEEP THE WHEEL TURNING AND KEEP THE GOTTSCHEER WORLD ALIVE AND WELL...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 19:48:12 (UTC)

Benny :
HI Paul B,
I Lived In glendale too. Freshpond and Myrtle on 60th lane, across from the seagrams 7 Factory.Do you know that area?
My cousin Ingrid Zagar shes 43 now Lived on 64st. on the dead end in Glendale. Did you know the german Deli On cooper Ave? My uncle Fred owned the Elco Bar on Seneca Ave In Ridgewwod. And my mom spent a lot of time going to Ruddys Bakery in Ridgewod. My pop worked in Karl Emier butcher Years ago. My mom and Pop live in closter Nj. now. and I live in Florida.
- 205.188.116.17 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 21:04:58 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Gregg tell everyone I said hi at the reunion
- 199.243.152.4 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 21:21:18 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
PS try and find out if anyone is related to the Tramposch in Toronto Canada. My Grandpa was friends with them, maybe even related. I don't know.
- 199.243.152.4 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 21:23:41 (UTC)

Heinrich Schliemann:
Hello everybody!
- 64.200.224.158 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 23:13:46 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler:
Well, of course Paul and I are related! No use denying it. But since neither of us can count worth a tinkers darn, we just gave up and accepted it as a fact on blind faith alone. That's our story and we're sticking to it. Right Paul?
- 64.229.228.20 - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 23:38:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Righto Ridy-and it couldn't have happened to two nicer people-right Cuz?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 01:01:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Benny-I know every place you mentioned,except for the seagrams 7 factory...Drank some of the stuff tho, until someone introduced me to Scotch!I was on 69th Ave; right behind the fresh Pond El in the apartment there.Around the corner was Schumachers-Remember-qnd the billiard parlor downstairs? Those were the days my friend. Had a candy store(My Dads) on the corner of 64th lane and Cooper..And I was an insurance man for Metrpolitan Life in Liberty Park area.Ring a bell. Glad to make your aquaintance Benny//
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 01:10:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
That was 68th Ave. behind the El station, not 69th...I also had a plating shop-corner of cooper and myrtle, behind Stam Tisch restaurant-just down from Welcome Hall..Ring a bell?And in casr you are wondering, yes I was a JERK of all trades!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 01:14:50 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Paul B.: Of course we are related and we are also connected via our spouses. As I recall, your wife's mother was a Stonitsch. Hiya cuz!!! I even know Bethpage pretty well since I worked in Plainview for 7 years.
- 64.12.116.7 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 01:28:40 (UTC)

Ridy:
Didn't Plainview used to be called Hicksville? My cousin Nettie and her husband Richard Sider lived there many years ago.....
- 64.229.228.20 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 01:41:17 (UTC)

Marilu:
Elfriede: I also remember meeting you in Denver. I was wishing I could be in Minneapolis this year as I was born in Minnesota, and my sister would of come with me to the conference. But my son is getting married and that took care of that trip. I hope the conference will be in Denver again soon. I think Ludwig Kump lived on Floyd Street at one time, early 1900's. I think he died in 1963.
- 198.81.26.38 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 03:15:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy:Netti & Richie lived a short distance from me.Plainview and Hicksville border each other. Something like where Adie and I live we border by one block two towns Farmingdale and No, Massapequa. we always say hi Richie and Nettie until this day, especially since one of the streets there is Richard Ave.!!!Did you get Richies new E-mail Address? If not, let me Know 'cause I have it, but I'm sure you have it Cuz....Have a great Friday-feel well-be happy...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 04:06:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elfrieda: We live in the Plainedge section of Bethpage-our Post Office is bethpage.I tried to Join the Bethpage Library once, but got some snooty person who told me to join the Plainedge Library!!!! I already had a Plainedge card, and because of her attitude I told her what to do with her card-sorry about that but I am still angry brcause of her attitude...I also border Farmingdale and they offered me a farmingdale library card. Oh Well...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 04:15:48 (UTC)

Maria T.:
Hello, I did not realize how many Gottschee there are around Farmingdale, Massapequa, Bethpage did any of you attend St. Brigid in Ridgewood Queens?
- 152.163.253.6 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 18:03:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Maria T.Are you new to the Plauderzimmer? Do you live in my area? Do you remember thr Dream Restaurant on Hicksville Rd? Or the Chateau onnRt.109 in Farmingdale?I think my sister-in-law Emily Rabuse went to St, Brigid...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 19:53:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
All most midnite in N.Y, so it is time to wish everyone a very pleasant weekend...Enjoy......
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 03:53:26 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: A pleasant weekend to you as well. Its 9 PM on Friday evening here in rainy BC. My niece is moving to New York next month so maybe I will understand the places you live and have lived in after she is there for awhile, right now they are just names, some I recognize and some I have never heard of. Hicksville doesn't sound very complimentary though, who named it that?
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 04:12:33 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening or good morning everyone. It is almost 1 a.m. and I just turned on my computer and thought I would look over the Plauderzimmer messages. I am so happy to have been able to get back in on this site. I am learning more and more about people of the Gottscheer heritage and especially I am interested in the New York area. I have cousins in Brooklyn and also in Middle Village. I had my first experience in visiting New York in 1957 and flew to New York almost every year during a 10 year period. I walked on Myrtle Avenue, Metropolitan Avenue, Fresh Pond road, and so many other areas in the late 50's and 60's. I just love going there, I ran into many Gottscheer people on Myrtle Avenue in those days. It was surely a lot of fun and just loved it. Those days of course are no longer, people I knew passed on many years ago and it is really sad.

I am curious, Elfriede Stonitsch, did I read a while back that your husband's background is from Unterdeutschau? I might have mistaken this for someone else. Let me know, I am really interested.

Well, I better go to bed now, have a long day ahead of me for Saturday, as well as for Sunday. The Cleveland Gottscheer Club has their monthly dinner/meeting on Sunday, so it will be quite busy for us. Have a wonderful weekend, and we hope that we stay dry.

Best wishes
- 205.188.117.24 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 04:59:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is interesting that you should ask Franz...I have no answer except for the obvious of course. I am going to do some research into it now. Let you know what I find out, if anything..Where in N.Y. is your sister moving too, what town?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 05:04:15 (UTC)

:
Paul: It is my niece, my sisters daughter, who is going to be teaching at Lehman College in the Bronx. I just know that it is on Bedford Park Blvd. West but as I don't know much about New York that doesn't help me much. I just got a map of New York after Janette said she had accepted the position there but I still have trouble finding places on it, NEW YORK IS BIG!.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 06:15:19 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: Oops, I'm as bad as Ridy, forgot to idenify myself.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 06:16:39 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Regina Ramor Gardner,
Reichenau #18 Goldeisch,is ther somehow relationship between us?.My father Heinrich Meditz ,his father Andreas Meditz,and Emma Jonke wher my grandparents.My brother Alfred was in you Parents house in 1940 in the summertime
one of the lady's maybe was you Aunt Rosalia tolled to my brother that ther is a connection in the family relation.
My family Emma Meditz with 5. children and you family where in the Camp of Kapfenberg Austria.Maybe Regina you can give me some more information.Any information would by
appreciated E-mail ( t.meditz@t-online.d
- 80.145.172.200 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 12:11:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Franz: I have been so far removed from anywhere and every where in New York City-Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, And even Brooklyn-(Ridgewood) I can only refer to the OLD days!My wife and I used to go to the theatre and restaurants in NYC, but not anymore!We still drive thru where we used to live in Glendale and Ridgewood in Queens, but that's about it. Even our favorite german restaurants there have either closed or changed ownership-so you see everything has changed-Plauderzimmer chatters who know the area know what I am talking about..Well I have my own family meeting today.Would you believe a Gottscheer/American Barbeque???? Have to go buy some wine and get ready, so I will be back later to read all the good news anyone leaves here...Have a great Saturday.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 15:50:26 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Hello Franz: I know Hicksville doesn't sound very appealing but it was named after a early settler (1700's) on Long Island, John Hicks, who owned most of the property where the village of Hicksville and the surrounding area now stand. It has become a large shopping area but then all of Long Island is becoming one big shopping mall.
- 205.188.116.73 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 20:21:35 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Hilda Kobetitsch: You are right, my husband, Ludwig's father and family come from Unterdeutschau. His father came to the US in 1936 and Lou was born in Brooklyn. He can still speak Gottscheerisch. We visited Unterdeutschau when we were in Gottschee in 1999 but his family's house was no longer there.
- 205.188.116.23 - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 20:26:18 (UTC)

hilde kobetitsch:
Elfriede Stonitsch

I am now curious. We had a Gustav Stonitsch, who married my father's cousin, Poldi Schemitsch from Reintal. They had no children and they immigrated to Brooklyn from Austria in the 50's. Was this an uncle to your husband? What a coincidence. I was born in Unterdeutschau in 1938 in House number 5. My father was from Reintal and married into my mother's house in 1937. They met through Poldi and Gustav Stonitsch at a Kirchweihfest. I too went back to Unterdeutschau twice, our house does not stand either. Can you let me know the house name of your husband's family?

you can e-mail me if you wish to
hbrunhilde@aol.com

Nice talking to you.

- 152.163.253.99 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 02:34:15 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Elfriede: Now thats makes sense. I just couldn't see why anyone would name their area Hicksville but naming it after a member of the community is common and of course if his name was Jackson and they named it Jacksonville I wouldn't have questioned it. And now that I know the story it doesn't seem derogatory. Thanks for the history, I am always interested in how cities and towns are named. I have a book on our local area as to how the names came about. I have often wondered how the Gottscheer house names came about.
Paul: So Ridgewood is close to Brooklyn and you lived in Ridgewood before moving to where you are now, how far apart is Ridgewood and Bethpage? Hope your BBQ went well.

Ted: Nice to see you on the PZ. Will be in touch soon.
Rainy day here in British Columbia, but mild, so no complaints.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 02:44:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Elfiede: You just jogged my memory about Hicksville..I kind of remember tthat there was Hicks Nursery when we first moved here.Yes, and the malls just keep on coming..There was an item in the papers about two more coming up-I think in Plainview and Syossett.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 03:06:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: Ridgewood was kind of part Brooklyn and part Queens,Where I lived was even close to Maspeth-home to some gottscheers.While we considered Ridgewood where we lived part of Queens, our address was Ridgewood, Brooklyn 27....I never really clocked it, but I think Ridewood, in the part where we lived off of fresh Pond R. is about 45 minutes away or so-maybe 30 or so miles..The barbeque was a great success.The company of course was great and the food delicious..The Gottscheer part of it was the Strudel! Deliciouso! Taught to my niece by her mother Emma Kren.They sent me home with strudel and a delicious pound cake in a shopping bag from the Forest Pork Store! That will jog some memories for some gottscheers...Aaaah Memories....Have a great Sunday....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 03:19:08 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Hello Hilda K.: The Stonitsch house name was Tsien and the house number was Unterdeutschau 27 and yes, it was my husband's uncle August and aunt Poldi. I remember them both. What a small world.
- 64.12.117.12 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 10:59:38 (UTC)

Maria T:
Paul,I live in Farmingdale I've never been to the Hicksville restaurant or the one on Rt. 109 but have been to the Bella Napoli on Rt 109. I have enjoyed reading all the messages on Plauderzimmer but never joined in on the conversation but when everyone was talking about Ridgewood it just brought back memories. My mom is from Pollandl and I was born in Austria and we moved to the States in 55.
- 152.163.252.194 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 11:30:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
How lovely to have new participants in the Plauderzimmer! Hope you'll stick around and join in more often, Maria and Elfriede. I know Hilde is very busy, what with her day job, her weekly radio program, and the work for the Cleveland Gottscheers, but it would be lovely to hear from you more often, Hilde.
Because it is a small world, after all, I want to mention the death of a wonderful Gottscheerin, Elisabeth Kresse Simon, aged 93, whose funeral will be in Kitchener tomorrow. Betty had a million dollar smile, and when you met her on the street unexpectedly, it was suddenly a more beautiful day. She and her husband, Ernst Simon, suffered a huge loss when their young daughter, Irma, succumbed to cancer, leaving behind three small boys. Betty and Ernst raised those three boys to manhood, and it must have been a backbreaking, full-time job, but there was never a word of complaint heard about it. They showered the boys with love and caring, and the boys responded in kind. Betty was the very best of what defines the word Mother. She was a saint.

- 64.229.228.20 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 12:30:02 (UTC)

Maria T.:
Thank you for the welcome Ridy. Last week we had the Gottschee get together in Franklin Square unfortunately it was too damp and rain so we did not not go. This is the second year in a row it rained. Thoday there will be the Bavarian feast in Franklin Square.
- 152.163.253.104 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 15:33:00 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy: There is so much pessimisam in the world these days that your story really lifted my spirit. Thanks for sharing your respect for Elizabeth with all of us. Its also great to see that she was here for 93 years, the world needs more like her.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 17:48:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Maria T.: You hit a responsive chord.Bella Napoli is our favorite Italian Restaurant.We spend as much timr there as we do home.Just ask about Adie and Paul.You know where the child day care ctr is on 109, corner of Main? Well I had the Chateau Dream Restaurant and Lounge there. I only had it for a little over a year and sold it to the Swedish group. I also had the Dream Restaurant and bar on hicksville rd in Bethpage(Plainedge) from 1950 to 1961.Where did you live in Ridgewood? It is always nice and encouraging to see new people on the Plauderzimmer.Welcome and enjoy Maria..By the way, there is a maria (waitress) at Bella Napoli, just one of the great group of people working there. And The owner is Maria-everyone calls her Mary. Mary and her husband Mike are the greatest people.We have become good friends. See you there someday maybe..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 17:51:59 (UTC)

Maria T.:
Paul T. We at there Friday celebrating my nephew's 21st Birthday. The food is good there. what a small world. Are you and your wife all Gottschee? and do you speak Gottschee? My mom speaks Gottschee but my sister Anna and I understand it and speak german. Just also wanted to say that we found our cousin Erwin Kump through the Gottschee Bulletin. My Mom did not see him for over 60 years when he was only a little boy and lost track after the resettlement. He was living in Illinois and came to visit us here in Farmingdale. Maybe someday we'll see you at Napoli.
- 205.188.117.5 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 21:54:49 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Quick hello, then must go. Horrible storm in KC and surrounding areas last night. Whole truck load of limbs and leaves in our driveway, waiting to be dumped. Winds of up to 60 MPH. We were lucky. However, no deaths.
- 4.244.192.174 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 01:08:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Maria T.: We just got back from Bella Napoli. We wouldhave been home sooner, but Mary the owner had us in stitches with some really funny stories..We were not there Fri., but we were there Thurs, nite..I had taken a business friend there for lunch, and then went back with my wife thurs, nite because i felt she was cheated.. How nice that you found your couim I am a GBM-Gottscheer by marriage! My wife adeline Jaklitsch is full blooded Gottschee,but born here.I can't say that i speak it. Iwas doing pretty good with the language until I moved out here and had very little leisure time.So I forgot everything I learned. Used to sing some songs too.We stll listen to the music& I try to sing some. Have to leave now-going for a ride..See ya'ater..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 01:17:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Guten Abend to all of you too. Sorry about the bad weather Margaret. Our son and family live in Cedar Rapids, IA and they, too, have had their share of bad stuff. What a weird spring this has been. Even in Europe cooool temperatures with hail and rain.

Maria T. Greetings to you too. How is Erwin? I believe they moved to AZ was it? We had a lot of good conversations but have not heard from him for a long, long time. Please give him my regards.

May I ask who your mother, born in Pöllandl is? And you were born in Austria? Where? I grew up near Villach in Kärnten. Would be nice to hear form you. Feel free to e-mail me at wyants@mlecmn.net. Would love to hear from you.

Yes, Ridy, very nice note. I agree wonderful to have new people in the Plauderzimmer. Franz and Helmuth - better come up with a new topic to debate. I miss hockey already.

And, Paul, keep celebrating and enjoying life. WAY TO GO.

Hi Ellie and Hi Hilde.
- 216.251.169.23 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 01:20:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Trix.It is a half hour to Monday here..So we begin a new week, and may you all have a very nice one-weather wise and everything wise.....I just added a new song tp my list of german songs.Eine Musikant. Now if i could only learn the words.......Funny thing, it has the melody of Frank Sinatras "The Music Stopped." Does anyone besides me remember that song?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 03:37:43 (UTC)

Arnold:
Last week they had a Holiday in Austria, called Frohnlechnam.
I do remember the celebrations as a litle boy in Gottschee, but to this day I don't know how this Holday relates to our Catholic Religion; i.e. how does it fit in whith what we read in the New Testament?

Maybe there is some one among you who could inform me.

Thanks .... Arnoold Rom.
- 12.72.248.164 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 05:14:38 (UTC)

Arnold:
You can see from my message that we need a spell checker here; e.g. I ment to say "Frohnleichnam, Holiday, little boy.
There might be more mistakes.

- 12.72.248.164 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 05:18:41 (UTC)

Arnold:
Just found another one, even wrote Arnoold instead of Arnold.
- 12.72.248.164 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 05:20:03 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Hi Trix, I am really looking forward to seeing you at the GHGA meeting in Minneapolis at the end of the week.
- 152.163.253.97 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 09:38:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Maria T: Forgot to tell you-My wife does speak Gottschee-I would say fairly well, even tho she doesn't think so.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 16:08:14 (UTC)

Maria T.::
Paul, That's great! It's a difficult dialect to speak. My cousin,Trudy is the only one who can speak Gottschee well besides my Mom she will be 84 next month. I have been trying to get some information about her family but I found out that Gottscheers never spoke much about their ancestors. I'm sorry I never asked my Grandmother when she was alive. She was a Honigman before she married a Mausser.
- 205.188.116.141 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 17:47:59 (UTC)

Christine:
Maria T: Please Email me ar CSSharpie@Aol.Com. I am interested in your Grandmother (Honigmann) Thank you
- 198.81.26.73 - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 22:22:09 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Arnold. In answer to your question, courtesy of Vancouver:
Hi Sophia
Well I do not quite know what frohleichman actually means , But I can tell you that we went out from the church and along the street towards Mitterdor, we turned off on the old road to Mitterdorf where there stood eine kappelle and the priest hat die felder eingeweiht and we prayed for a good year of weather, rain etc. and a good harvest. I don' t think it had anything to do with the teaching of the bible but I don't know for sure. The procession consisted of all the people at the mass. We had religious flags that looked more like a huge picture made of some kind of cloth or canvas and had scenes of Jesus or other wholly scenes on them , with tassels on the bottom of them . The priest and us alter boys were decked out in our regular white and red robes (I called them skirts) and 4 men carried a canopy and the priest walked underneath it. I do not remember what Sunday it actually took place but it seemed like it was always hot. Sophia I think your brother may have a better idea as to how it all fitted together . I think it was called HIMMELTUG.
- 209.240.245.69 - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 13:20:30 (UTC)

Sophia:
Arnold - another great piece of information, courtesy of Roseburg, OR:
Dear Sophia!
It was a highly celebrated Holiday. I remember, that the parson (Pfarrer) was walking under a canopy (called "Himmel"), which was carried on 4 poles with the monstrance in his hands. Walking ahead of a column of worshippers through nearby fields and back to the church. If I remember it right, they walked around the church once before going inside.
The Gottscheer people were and still are a very religious people and the Holidays were strictly observed.
The children were named after a saint and the day of that saint in the Catholic calendar was considered almost as important as the birthday. My father's name was Johann (John) and he celebrated the St. John's day by drinking a few more glasses of wine than he did on other Holidays.
Just a glimpse to the past.

- 209.240.245.69 - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 13:21:50 (UTC)

Arnold:
Thank you for all your interesting replies about Frohnleichnam. I remember it well,was an Altar boy in my childhood. I am sure I participated in the celebrations.

I also am fortunate enough to have a dish which lets me receive German TV. They ad a marvelous show about Frohnleichnam in a beautiful small Bavarian Village. In Austria they had a Holiday last weekend celebrating Frohnleichnam.

It is sad that even in Germany's big cities the old treasured traditions are being forgotten. I wonder if Austria will soon lose another Holiday in these modern times.

I was mostly interested in the Biblical connection. Acording to my "Wiener Kousine" Frohnleichanm relates to the last supper. She thinks the Holiday should be around "Grün Donerstag", as that would coincide with the last supper.

Ridy expresed some interesting thoughts to me, that it fits better with the appearance of Jesus after he decended to Heaven.

Thanks again for you answers ..... Arnold
- 12.72.246.148 - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 23:55:33 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good morning Dr. Jim, sorry about your Lakers.
Its a beautiful day here in Vancouver BC, temp is going to be around 27 celsius today and a little warmer for the rest of the week.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, June 16, 2004 at 14:08:19 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, is anyone there tonight. It is 9:30 here in B.C. I would like someone to tell me an easier way to get into this site. When I type in Gottscheer on Google or any search , now they get the listing for Gottscheer but not
Gottscheer Plauderzimmer. I kind of had to get into some indirect way by someother listing.
Great to see so many more new people on this site.
Maria T. I know of a lady Lynne Mann (Mausser) here in Kamloops. she is a Gottscheer. Also, there are several Honigmann in Richmond, B.C. Lynne has only found out about her Gottscheer roots about two years ago, so she is looking for all her Mausser ancestors.
Ted: I might be related but I will send you an email soon.
Sophia hope all is well with you,.
Ridy, guten ubent. Franz have a great weekend and all who read this note.
I do remember something about Himmeltag, it was a procession outside the church, very interesting how our memories are jogged by one persons mentioning this or that.
Nice to hear from you Paul.
It's now ten p.m. Must go now. Talk to you later.
- 24.67.253.204 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 05:06:25 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Regina. Good to hear from you again. Hope life is treating you well. No doubt you have a beautiful garden - don't all Gottscheer women have one? They are the best. How will the fruit harvest be this fall? We came through Kamloops many years on the way home from Vancouver. I love that part of the world.

Tell me a little more about Lynn and the Maussers. Do you know from which part of Gottschee they are from?

I wish you a good weekend with nice weather. Regards and stay well.
- 209.240.237.131 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 05:31:21 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Regina, click on this first, then add to your "favorites" or bookmarks. Then you don't have to search each time.
http://hwk.best.vwh.net/chat/tqchat.html
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 14:29:50 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks, Helmuth!
I used to open your home page and then click on to the PZ from there. This eliminates one step! Glad Regina asked.
Hope all the Fathers out there have a great day tomorrow!

- 64.229.230.75 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 15:17:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Just want to wish everyone a Happy Fathers Day.Pleasant weekend to all...Busy weekend around here.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 17:04:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
How close are you to the U. S. Open?
- 64.229.230.75 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 17:44:47 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Franz, the Lakers were soundly defeated. No doubt about.

Maria T., if you can send me some information on your ancestors, I can see if I can find a family tree for you. My email address in DocH301454@aol.com.

To the fathers out there, Happy Father's Day.

- 64.12.116.138 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 17:48:48 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dear Ted Meditz,
Trix, asked me to look for information on your family a while ago. While I was able to put together something on one of your branches, most remained a mystery. Have you gotten any further on Mathilde Luscher, Andreas Meditz, or Emma Jonke? I remain willing to help but need more information. My email address is on the prior posting.
- 64.12.117.24 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 17:52:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Don't ask me how I did it, but I have tqchat on my desk topunder the internet explorerOr part of the Icon---click and I am on immediately!!!Dumb luck I guess,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 18:59:01 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, I lucked out also, I called it yak room and I can't even remember how I did it but it is just one click and I'm on, I called it dumb luck too. Have a great weekend.
Regina: Are you sweltering up there in Kamploops? We are 31 down here and its HOT!!!
Jim, what part of the good old USA are you located in?
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 19:23:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well, the kids have gone home--they did a great job cleaning up our porch-all ready now for the sweltering summer.Tomorrow is round 2 at my sons' house for Fathers Day.I wanted to take them all out for dinner, but the kids have the pool, sooo home it is.I hope all you nice folks enjoy the holiday--just don't forget it comes once a year!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 20:31:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: Speaking of luck-I lucked out all around today.What usually takes me a couple, maybe three days to set up the porch for the summer-took only a half day, with my kids and grand kids doing the job...That's youth for you..Every year I stubbornly refuse to have anyone help me, but this year they came unannounced like a cleaning crew with all the necessary tools. Voila, it is done!!!!All I did was take pictures of them working!Fun to watch the 4 year old and the eight year old working like beavers for Grandma and Grandpa.....God bless the Junge!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 21:08:42 (UTC)

Jim H:
Franz, I currently hail from New Jersey but was born and raised in the cradle of civilization ----- Brooklyn. My Gottscheer ancestors came from the northern parishes.
- 205.188.116.23 - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 02:33:48 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Paul God bless the young for they know no fear and the sky is the limit that is why God keeps an eye out for them.
Yes it is summer here as well and I turned on the heat in our pool today which is like throwing money into a hole, oh well that is what money is for as we can't take it with us. Unless you are like Jack Benny who said if he can't take it with him he is not going, I wonder if he did .Have a nice Pappa's day all you Pappa's, God bless. Soccer fans I was very disappointed to see Germany's scorless tie game today. I did not find it a very exiting to watch ,how about you fussballers out there, did you watch it?
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 02:59:44 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening and I would like to wish all of our Gottscheer fathers a Happy Fathers day. Talk to all of you again

- 152.163.252.166 - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 03:09:27 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Jim H, so can I assume that you still have your Brooklyn accent?
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 03:52:41 (UTC)

Jim H:
Franz,
not sure if I have one. I can probably be picked out as being from the northeast but not necessarily Brooklyn. I could be wrong. I think every now and then a word or two will slip out that sounds Brooklynese.
- 205.188.116.83 - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 12:33:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
JIM: You are probably right about one sneaking out once in a while in Brooklynese. My oldest son has spent half his life out of N.Y. (Ridgewood& Long Island) And sure enough Brooklynese comes out of his California accent every so often...And now he is in Louisiana-Oy! what a mixture..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 18:32:26 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Father's Day to all you dads, grand-dads, great grand dads. Cool front passed through KCMO the last 3 days. Wonderful! Still lots of rain forecast. Have a good week.
- 4.245.40.47 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 00:51:23 (UTC)

Maria T:
Guten Abend to all and wishing everyone a Happy's Father's Day. Speaking of Brooklyn accents I always have people asking me what kind of an accent I have. I still can't figure it out myself. I was 9 when we came to the states so I guess its a little bit of everything. It was a little rough in the beginning trying to learn English in school and speaking German at home and listening to your parents speak Gottscheer.
- 152.163.252.165 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 01:39:14 (UTC)

Ridy:
Maria - if you were only nine when you came to the States, you probably don't remember the joke which was popular in Graz after the war.... I can still hear my father tell it, over and over again, about how difficult it was for Hungarians to learn German because "....hat ein Wort gleich drei Artikel" When they were asked what they meant by that, since every noun only had one article, the answer was: "Das die der Teifel hohl!" Now you can't say that English was as hard as that, since 'the' covers it all!
:)
- 64.229.230.75 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 01:51:27 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy that is a good one, I remember that one It was said to me many times it many times .
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 04:11:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
well twice at least.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 04:13:35 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, was it ever hot today! For June this is hot, Franz.
Thanks for all who helped with info on an easy way to get into the PZ. That makes it alot easier.
Sophia, yes I love gardening, my daughter does too.
But our small cherry tree didn't do so well, the crows ate at least half of the cherry's so I picked all of them today even though they are not as ripe as they could be.
Hope all the Dad's had a great day.
I will be getting in touch with Lynn and let her know how to get on the PZ, so we will have another addition to our chat! It is now 11 pm So God Bless all and have a save week.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 06:09:29 (UTC)

Helmuth:
I remember that expression too: "Das die der teifel hohl". I was too young for a translation, however. Experts, what is the translation? I know it's something like "May the devil ????"
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:09:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Helmuth -
It basically means "may the devil get you" -
It's really slang - and probably a more correct way to say it would be "Der Teufel soll dich holen" - but it would not be a nice thing to say, of course!
- 64.229.230.75 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:57:55 (UTC)

Maria T:
Ridy,
I do remember my parents and grandmother say that expression many times and also fer bebdi boga I know I am not spelling it correctly but maybe someone might remember that expression. Ridy, I was refering how the kids in school today get bilingual help and we did not back in the '50's
- 64.12.116.65 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 14:18:35 (UTC)

Helmuth:
That also takes me back (bembti bogat, phonetically). I remember me and my brothers and cousins, as kids, snickering at the adult Gottscheers with their expletives when they thought we weren't listening....
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 17:02:58 (UTC)

Jim H:
Not a word of either German or Gottscheerisch in my household. Actually, a couple of German words but none that were complimentary. I think the US educational system is remiss in not having more graduates fluent in a second lanquage, however, I don't like the idea of a bilingual educational system. As our ancestors did before us, I think everyone should be fluent in English first. A second language is simply that --- a second language. Too many places have people who can't speak English adequately, no less being able to write it.
- 64.12.116.82 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 17:28:46 (UTC)

Maria T.:
Jim:
I agree with you 100%. That was my point we did why can't others. Helmut, you hit it on the nail I remember saying how awful. but never knowing its meaning.
- 152.163.252.196 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 18:00:51 (UTC)

Sophia:
I have been laughing and laughing in reading those great swearing phrases. I think of us probably remember them. I can still my father saying: Ye bempti boga and Cruci Fix I know there was another popular one but, at the moment, I have an intellectual disruption. When were in Gottschee in 1999 and on the bus, we got talking about that and I was stunned how our daughter Maria just rattled them off, one after the other. Up until that time I had never, ever heard them and just could not believe it. So, just goes to show you = we learn the phrases of swearing quite easily.

I am still laughing. The choice of those phrases are definitely on the way out. I never use them myself.

- 209.240.237.136 - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 21:12:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Bempti boga is the way I remember it being said Sophia. and you're right-you never hear it said anymore, unless someone is talking about the oooold days and says, *Remember when Uncle Louie used to say bempte boga and aunt Emma used to say Halts mahl and verflucht eine oaf". I am sure I screws up the spelling here, but I remember them well. And one more time you guys have brought tears to these old eyes, making me think of the good old times..
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 03:43:47 (UTC)

Sophia:
Thanks Paul. Just love reading about this exchange.
- 209.240.237.136 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 03:55:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
What are you doing up so late Sophia.Everything OK? I had just a little too much Kahlua in my Mexican Coffee tonite and i will be up for awhile I'm afraid. No matter tho, because i am usually up late anyway..Have a ton of work in the office. The PZ is my break time...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 04:04:02 (UTC)

Ted in Germany:
Hello to all the participants in Gottscheer Plauderzimmer.
About to swear,Jebem ti Boga, in Serbien and Croation language.(Translation)
In german, Reiten auf Gott,in english
to ride on Got.wishing you a wonderful day to all of you
in the PZ
- 80.145.161.82 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 07:46:50 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Was there another one, bemti vraga or something like that? I think someone else mentioned, a week or two ago, jezish ter ponji, again this is all phonetic.
How about that, finally a subject besides hockey I can contribute to.
- 24.3.227.190 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:52:50 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
How about when you got hirt playing did your mother ever say [racht is der bei geast di ahant hin ]or der hergout bet schon strufen .
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 11:29:30 (UTC)

Benny:
When I was small and when my Grandma and Grandpa was still alive we called them Omma and Atta. Does anyone know or have called their Granpa Atta instead of Oppa?MY mom said Atta is a nick name in Gottschee fo Grandpa is she correct?
Well got to go, I hope everyone has a good week!
- 149.174.164.69 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 11:38:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Benny -
Oma and Opa are the equivalent of Grandma and Grandpa in German, just as Mutti and Vati are the equivalent of Mommy and Daddy. In Gottscheerisch we called our grandparents Amö and Atte, and our parents Mama and Papa, although in some families I think the parents were also called Amö and Atte. Generally speaking only, of course. Lots of families I know used a mixture of German and Gottscheerisch.
- 64.229.230.75 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 12:45:04 (UTC)

Sophia:
Another great exchange. In our family we called our grandparents by the house name. Like my maternal grandparents were called Voyonsh Atta üund Voyonsh Amo. On my paternal side it was Kakl Marie. Voyonsh and Kakl being the house name in the former Gtotschee.

My parents were Mamma ünd Atta.

Yes Franz, I hear you. I am pretty sure I have heard that phrase a time or two when younger.

Mr. Germany Calling - have a GREAT, GREAT Gottscheer gathering this weekend in Germany. Celebrate, reminisce, enjoy and plan for the future. Wish we could all be there.

I know that the Gliebe sisters, all former members of the Kapfenberg Gottscheer Kinder Chor (of 1956) will be attending your gathering. They are excellent singers still. Hope you can record their beautiful voices to share with the rest of us. Greetings from across the Atlantic to all the Gottscheers as you gather.

I am off to attend the annual meeting of the GHGA scheduled for Minneapolis this weekend. Next year we are going to California.

Enjoy life and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.237.155 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 14:08:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
You're right, Trix - I also remember some families using the housenames to differentiate between grandparents. I notice you spell it Atta, not Atte -- is that how you pronounced it in your part of Gottschee? I know there can be quite a difference in pronunciation from one area to the other.... I think children who called their own parents Amö and Atte called their grandparents Autamö and Autatte - 'aut' being the Gottscheer word for old.
- 64.229.230.75 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 14:47:24 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Ridy. Happy Tuesday. Talk about a beautiful day at Waukenabo. Cool, breezy, sunny and perfect.

You are right the pronounciation in the Moschnitze area is Atta and Ammo.
- 209.240.237.155 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 14:50:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey guys-don't end this conversation-I love it....And a happy Tues. to you all. It is raining here.Sure, why not I used up a million dollars worth of water on my lawn ysterday!
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 16:07:50 (UTC)

Ridy:
This explanation came from Ingeborg Weber (Arnold Rom's sister) - it's the best I've seen.

FRONLEICHNAMSFEST:

Die Kirche des Mittelalters empfand das Bedürfnis,neben der Abendmahlsfeier des Gründonnestags das eucharistische Sakrament noch in einem besonderen Fest zu verehren. So enstand das Fest des heiligen Leibes Christi." - Fronleichnam (althochdeutsch vron-lichnam = des Herrn Leib ). Seit 1264 wird es allgemein gefeiert, seit 1279 begegnen wir bereits der Fronleichnamsprozession.

War es am Gründonnerstag der Abendmahlsaal, in dem die Kirche sich mit ihren Herrn und den Aposteln vereinte, so tut sie am Fronleichnam die Tore auf, um Christus hinaus zu begleiten in die Weite der Welt. Das wollte der frommme Mensch des Mittelaters: die Gegenwart Christi in den eucharistischen Gestalten feiern und den Herrn verborgen unter der Hülle des Brotes, in der Monstranz allen zeigen. So verstehen wir den reichen Meßtext, der den heiligen Thomas von Auquin zum Verfaßer hat; er feiert den eucharistischen Christus als das Opfer des neuen Bundes und als die Opferspeise der Seele, aber auch zum Unterschied von der alten Kirche als den im Tabernakel verborgenen Gottmenschen, der im Sakrament dses Altares dauernd gegenwärtig bleibt, auch zur Anbetung. So gesehen darf der Meßtext keiner weiteren Erklärung......
- 64.229.230.75 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 20:11:43 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul do you have to pay for your water through a meter or is it part of your tax bill.
I understand in some parts of Europa you have to also pay for waste water. Hope that is not the case where you live.
Its a mighty warm day here.
Nice to see Germany on line, Ted.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 20:12:11 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy oder jemant, Wer kann das für uns auf English übersetzen .I am having a little problem explaining all this to my Scottish wife.
Vielen dank Ridy
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 20:27:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We have a water meter Franz-the bill is really not so high. But I can't say the same for our taxes, although I do get a senior citizen discount....Whatever, I stll like it here...Our taxes include everything imaginable-services like garbage pick up,property/land taxes,school taxes.police, etc, etc....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 23:44:03 (UTC)

Ridy:
Not tonight, Franz - I've got a headache
:)
- 64.229.230.75 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 00:06:06 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul it sounds not too bad,we too have all the amenaties [BIG WORD FOR ME ] included in our taxes and as well we get a discount for over the hill 65 this year our taxes were$ 2668.00 for the year Can.
Ridy I guess you did not know that Gottscheer women do not get headaches . Stay cool I am heading for the pool.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 02:07:34 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am looking for help finding one of my ancestors. I have posted questions about a Ludwig and Sohia Kump, because I thought that would lead me to the Maria Peschel I am looking for. Maria came here in 1902 and listed Ludwig Kump in New York as her contact. They were both from the same town, Oberdeutschau, Maria from house #5. And maybe were relatives. At first I thought maybe Maria married Ludwig, but he married a Sophia. Maria's parents were Johan Peschel and Margaretha Stalzer. Margaretha parents were Joseph Stalzer and Maria Meditz from Oberdeutschau #5. I have no idea what happened to Maria after she came here. I do not know what parish in New York to look for her in. Is there anyone who reads this chat, who might have a lead for me.
- 198.81.26.38 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 02:16:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Marilu. Am sending your query to a friend of mine in NY. I know he knows a lot of Gottscheers and might be able to help. Also, if you look in the GHGA membership directory you will find a Dr. Josephine Schulte in Tx. I believe her ancestors are Stalzer from Oberdeutschau. Try her too. She is a very sharp lady.

This might be a good insert for the Gottscheer Connection too. What do you think?
- 209.240.237.139 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 02:26:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Marilu: I thought you would be on the road to Minneapolis by now. Just kidding! You will be missed. Certainly enjoyed visiting with you in Denver.
- 209.240.237.139 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 02:27:45 (UTC)

:
Trix, I wish I was coming to Minnesota for the conference, but we will be there on vacation in July and that was all I could handle this summer.
- 198.81.26.81 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 03:10:28 (UTC)

Marilu:
Sorry forgot to put my name in!
- 198.81.26.72 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 03:10:52 (UTC)

Marilu:
Thanks, Trix I will check out the listing in membership directory.
- 198.81.26.76 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 03:11:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz{School Tax for the year $3131.54 Gen./Town Tax $2246.48=Tot of $5378.02 for the year.We were just reassessed on our Property Tax and we were hit with almost $300.00 more..But like I said, we like it here.. I don't use these amenities any more, but the beaches are great-the Parks are beautiful-swimming pools, etc. Fishing Bay/Ocean/Lakes- Idid take advantage of all this when i was younger,but I was so busy in business I never really got my fill...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 04:40:01 (UTC)

:
Yes Paul I know what you mean, we are all too busy chasing the $. We should take Trix's advise and smell the roses along the way. Well paul have a good week and it is nice to have made your accquintance I enjoy talking to you.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 05:53:34 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Forgive me, forgot to put my name in, again.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 05:54:04 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
Franz of Vancouver:
On 6/8/04 you asked if anyone knows Arnold & Marie Hutter.
They are my great aunt and uncle. For more info E-mail me at gcop19@aol.com
- 64.12.116.76 - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 11:53:57 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, sure was hot today but storm clouds have moved in now. We expect some thunder showers tonight.
Ridy, in regard to names for mother and father, I called by Dad, Atte and Mom Amo and of course Autamo and Autatte. Our relatives used the same words of course.
Bye.
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 03:36:50 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hallo everyone, this room is too quiet so I am going to ask if anyone can remember the term Tétl and Töuite (not sure of the spelling).
Paul where are you, nothing new down your way ?
Regina are you still sweltering up in Kamloops or has it cooled down, at least you do not have any fires so far .
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 03:59:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Funny you should ask Franz, I was just trying to wish everyone a nice weekend, but my computor went whacky,So I had to reboot it and got your message,Are you a nite bird like me?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 04:03:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Fridl: Was just going over the Plauderzimmer Log and came across our coversation of 2003..Are you still living in Glendale and how are you?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 04:08:29 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, out time is a little behind yours, it is just 9:20 pm here. I have noticed though that you are a night owl because when I add on 3 hours its midnight there. Maybe we will call you the midnight writer.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 04:25:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I gurss that is a good name for me franz.My work hours are burned into my system for so many years that my body refuses to change... Especially here of late, I have been going to bed around 2-3 in the A.M. Any time I try to change-it really screws me up..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 04:54:11 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
The GHGA is having their annual meeting this weekend. I hope all goes well. Without their help (and this site), I would know next to nothing about my heritage and ancestors. They are having it in Minnesota so I know Trix is in her glory.
- 205.188.117.17 - Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 02:14:04 (UTC)

Marilu:
Jim, I agree. The GHGA and this site have taught me a lot. I went to the conference when it was in Denver and hope to be able to go again.
- 198.81.26.47 - Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 04:13:45 (UTC)

The other Franz:
Franz, the first one sounds like Troettl, which means "DUMMY", the second could be either "GODFATHER" or "GODMOTHER". Am I right Ridy and Trix?
- 172.132.143.166 - Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 11:15:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello, other Franz – how is life in Chicago these days?

You’re right on “Tröttl” of course, it means ‘dummy’ more or less. Actually, there’s a current American expression which springs to mind which I think fits it perfectly – you’ll have to use your imagination because I’m an old lady, after all, but I’ll give you a hint – “old f..t” . . . .I think the second word Vancouver Franz ask about is “Tüte” and that would be a gentler form of “dummy” – which is how I read Franz. You’re thinking of “Töte” – which would be a godparent. Wouldn’t it be nice if Gottscheerisch was actually a written language – that would make it all so much easier.

- 64.229.177.34 - Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 12:51:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy, and all the Franzs-It is so amazing how you guys stir up so many memories for me.Trottl is the name we kicked back and forth lovingly,,As matter of fact every so often I;ll get it in an e-mail from my nephews-or i will mail one fo them and say Hey trottl, where are you? Needless to say, that sets up a barrage of mail back and forth and it is fun,Have a very lovely weekend everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 04:39:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way Ridy-if you are an old lady, then I must be methusala (Sp?) in the flesh!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 04:45:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
HI: I just wanted to test all of your memories again.I believe the word Toite refers to the sponser of a female at confirmation etc. and Téitl is the male of the same . Troettl is of course as you say. That is how I remember it.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 05:05:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Franz-was just going to ask you what you doing up so late, and then I remebered the time difference-anyway, have a good nite and happy weekend...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 05:09:02 (UTC)

Ridy:
OK - test your Gottscheerisch on this phrase -
aәua prtәl ‘s viertöflә
☺

- 64.229.177.34 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 15:51:45 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Well Ridy: you got me, have no idea. Will be interesting to see what others have to say.
Another sunny, sunny day here in Coquitlam so we can assume Regina is sweltering up her way in Kamloops,most likely 37-38c.
Hope all is going well at the GHGA.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 17:52:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
OK Ridy, what is it? I wouldn,t even attempt to tell you what Adie thiks it is!!!!Tell us or I won't be able to sleep tonite...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 20:13:03 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Wild guess. You're potato's growing a beard. No. I know that's not right.
- 24.3.227.190 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 20:58:52 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nice try Helmuth, want to make it two out of three.
Yes come on Ridy already, don't keep us in suspense
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 21:34:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Helmuth: Adie says she doesn't feel so bad now---you were both on the same track-almost!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 21:44:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
A correction of sorts ~
After checking Martha Hutter’s book GOTTSCHEERISCH An Introduction To The Language of the Gottschee Germans, I think the phrase would be more accurately written as follows:
Aüar prtәl ‘s virtöchlә
Does that help?
My own version of Gottscheerisch is known as Baudnarisch, but the real truth is probably simply that it’s becoming a bit rusty.
So – has anyone figured it out?

- 64.229.177.34 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 22:33:46 (UTC)

f:
Yes,now that means put your apron on?, now whats the prize for winning this contest. Bautnarisch is forestriesh.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 22:43:48 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
oops, only got part of my name in that time.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 22:44:42 (UTC)

Ridy:
Close, Franz, but no cigar....
It means something like: tuck up the little apron. . . .
I just love that word "prtәl"
"Aüar prtәln" means to tuck your apron or skirt into your waistband, and it would be used when the apron or skirt is too long and needs to be shortened.

- 64.229.177.34 - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 22:58:52 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
OK where is my summer weather. I'm tried of the cloudy skies and rain. I want summer.
- 206.172.22.240 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 00:22:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Oppps I meant tired.

- 206.172.22.240 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 00:31:23 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:

guten Abend. I hope everyone had a good week. Unseasonably cool here in KCMO. Can't complain. We're not using energy for air conditioning. Light rain today.
- 4.244.192.151 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 01:04:23 (UTC)

Marilu:
We are having a beautiful rain this evening. It is the first good rain we have had in about 6 weeks, so it is welcome. Guess we didn't need to water the lawn this morning!
- 198.81.26.80 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 01:48:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Not much doing tonite.Is everyone in Minnesota? Well wherever, I hope everyone had a nice weekend. And a very pleasant week ahead to everyone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 04:23:01 (UTC)

Sophia:
Guten Morgen to everyone. It's Monday, a new week and I, too, wish everyone a good one. Think happy thoughts. Paul, what would we do without your regular greetings? So very nice of you.

We had a marvelous time at the annual meeting of the GHGA in Minneapolis and thank you for your good wishes & thoughts.

I so much enjoyed meeting, and giving hugs to many GHGA members for the first time (face to face that is - talk about a natural high)and talk about a GREAT bunch of Gottscheers! WOW, definitely makes me proud to be one. For me personally one of the highlights was meeting my third cousin, Brenda who along with her husband Jay drove all the way from southern Illinois to meet their Minnesota relatives (daughter Mariaq and I) and their desire to learn all they could about their newly discovered Gottscheer heritage. Brenda's great-grandmother was Agnes Schober, married Agnitsch who was a sister to my maternal grandfather, Andreas Schober - both born in Reuter by Tschermoschnitz. What a great time we had reminiscing, sharing, visiting. Life is good.

Everyone was truly impressed with our guest speakers including:

- 209.240.237.135 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 13:13:18 (UTC)

Sophia:

continued:

Dr. Dan Cohen, chair of the Center for Austrian Studies at the University of Minnesota. An eloquent speakers, he knows his history including that of the former German Linguistic Island of Gottschee. We truly appreciated his respect, encouragement and support for the GHGA in our efforts to preserve the history, culture and family records of Gottschee.

GHGA member Sue Zuriff did a beautiful job reminiscing about her Gottscheer ancestors who, after their arrival in the USA, all of a sudden decided they were of Slovenian background rather then German and Sue's personal journey of discovering her Gottscheer heritage. What a discovery it has been! Having been with Sue on the 1999 trip to the former Gottschee it gave me the opportunity to relive that delightful journey.

Our third speaker, Dr. Maria Stalzer Wyant Cuzzo's presentation was an in depth analysis of Life in Gottschee, as originally recorded in the Jahresrückschau portions of the annual Gottscheer Kalenders. They were published, in Gottschee, from 1919 to 1940. They have been translated into English and are the contents of the latest GHGA publication: GOTTSCHEE BETWEEN THE WORLD WARS - The Years in Review 1919 - 1940. Maria's analysis was impressive, informative, for some of us emotional and made me, once again, darn proud to be a Gottscheerin.

- 209.240.237.135 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 13:14:41 (UTC)

Sophia:

Continued:
This is an excellent publication and I would invite each of you to purchase a copy for your own, personal library. The price is $23.00 US funds, including postage, and I guarantee you will enjoy it. To order your copy, please consult the pages of the Spring 2004 edition of the GHGA's Gottscheer Connection newsletter or visit our web site at www.gottschee.org. If you are not yet a member, PLEASE consider becoming one. You will benefit greatly and so will wee. Single membership is $22.00; Family $27.00 and Lifetime $300.00. Your support is most appreciated as we continue our work on the preservation of the history, culture and family records of Gottschee.

The next GHGA annual meeting is scheduled for June 23 - 25, 2005 at the beautiful Marina DelRay Hotel in the Los Angeles area. Mark the dates down and come and join us. You will have a great time.

Before we head for California, however, quite a few of us hope to join the May 2005 two-week trip to the former Gottschee hosted for the GHGA. This is our 4th annual tour and we guarantee a terrific time. Departure date is May 25, 2005. For further information, as it becomes available, please consult our regular publications, The Gottschee Tree, the Gottscheer Connection newsletter or our web site. Check your passport now. Smile and do have a good, good day.
- 209.240.237.135 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 13:26:22 (UTC)

Sophia:
Guten Nachmittag Mr. Germany Calling. We are all waiting for your report on the annual gathering of the Gottscheers this past weekend in Aichelberg. Hope you had a wonderful time.
- 209.240.237.135 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 13:29:15 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nice post Sophia, can I ask you to post to the Gottscheer Bulletin Board? If you like I can cut 'n' paste it in.
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 16:42:00 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Ridy

I am sorry that I did not get to you sooner, but I was having problems getting messages with my aol to certain addresses. I will try tomorrow to send you an e-mail. How are you and I have been reading all the interesting notes that all of you have left in the Plauderzimmer. I enjoy reading it all.

Hello Jim, how are you. Miss talking to you also. I really appreciated your help with my ancestors, my daughter is going to graduate school for special education and she really needed all this information for one of her subjects. What a life saver. So thanks a million.

You are all such gems, I hope that we meet one of these days.

Have a wonderful week and for all of our American Gottscheers "Happy 4th of July" and I hope they will be safe for all of us. God bless all of you

Greetings also from all of the Gottscheers from the EOUV. We are holding our yearly 4th of July picnic on Sunday, hope that the weather holds out.

Also, Jim how are you
- 64.12.116.212 - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 03:28:39 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, Hilde. I have a greatgreat grandmother that was a Kobetitsch, I don't know what village she was from.
Hi, Ridy. I hope you voted today? I found it difficult to choose, as whom to vote for. Well I guess we have a minority Liberal Government.
Hi, Franz. What do you think of B.C. vote? I guess BC wwanted nothing to do with the Liberals because of Gordon Campbell, and didn't want the same.
SOPHIA, thanks for the highlites of the meeting, great to hear that you met some people for the first time. I sure would like to meet you!
Talk about expressions I use to hear a couple in our home, like du bischt a lausch bue and du bischt a froz, mybe they are a little close to german and easy to interprid.
Anybody?
I sent an email to TED M. of Germany and it did not go through.
I still haven't got hold of Lynne Mausser Mann of Kamloops
hope to do that this week.
Hi, Paul and Helmuth good to hear from you both.
Yes, the wweather is still warm but not as bad as it has been. We had one night of heavy rain, it was good to see the rain, it sure cooled everything down a bit.
Bye for now. Gutei Nocht.
- 24.67.253.204 - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 05:11:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Regina: lausch bue...Rascal (loose interpretation) and froz means much the same?.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 06:05:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Hilde,
Still checking in. I post from time to time as well.
I am keeping busy with work. We continue to work on the weekend house in the Poconos. It was in good shape but the outside area needed work. Everytime I finish one thing, I find something else to do. Last weekend, I sprayed the plantings with a deer repellent called Liquid Fence. It was the most god awful smelling liquid. There must be a better way short of having no plants at all (with the exception of spruce or andromeda).
Trix keeps me busy with Gottscheer sightings and I can usually help them out to some degree. I am currently in touch with someone in Germany. Even though they are not perfect, I find the translation programs to be very helpful.

Has anyone heard from Holly, Chicago Franz, or the Krakers/Krockers? I haven't heard from them in a long time.
- 64.12.117.16 - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 13:51:14 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Lausch bue, I used to get that one a lot. My brothers, too.

Cute story. When we were young kids I had a friend of mine that lived around the corner from us in Ridgewood, Walter Maierle. Now when he got on his grandfather's nerves, 'opa' used to say to him, "alla, alla, bues toesch di du." We asked Walter what that means. He said it means "go upstairs".
- 24.3.227.190 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 00:44:32 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Sorry, should provide a translation, "hey hey what are you doing here?"
- 24.3.227.190 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 00:46:51 (UTC)

Sophia:
Nice job Helmuth. Am still trying to remember the rest of the good swear phrases that the Gottscheers loved. Getting old I guess.
- 209.240.245.85 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 00:50:45 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Sophia and Helmuth,
Thanks for the note about the meeting in Minnesota. It was great to get an update.
- 206.38.34.56 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 02:25:08 (UTC)

Mr.Germany is calling:
Hier I give you a small report about the Gottscheer Bundestreffen in black forest.By the Gottscheer fountain monument,in the State of Baden-Würtemmberg.Wee have been lucky,wonderful whether sunshine all the time.The Gottscheer prist (Geistlicher Rat Josef Seitz)from Austria celebrated a fieldmess at the fountain Monument.35 visitors come from Austria,wee where all together about 125 people.The Gottscheer Verein invited all the participants for a Gulaisch and Schnitzel dinner.on the club expands
On Sonday,the Board of Director Erwin Meditz and his wife Erika,and the mayer Dr.Walter Jocher of the town Bad-Wildbad it
is a recreation aria opened the oficial Gottscheer Bundestreffen at 14.00 PM 13.Gottscheer Vereins member have been honored for more then 50 years membership.
Ted Meditz Vice-President showed Videos and movies on a big screen with sound.Vovies witch I made in the last 30 years.The time was going so fest,all of a certain it was time to say Aufwiedersehen until the next time in 2.years.Everybody was happy and satisfied,you will read the hole Story in the next adition of the Gottscheer Zeitung.please excuse my incorrect english writing,the best wishes to all of you in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer Ted Meditz

- 80.145.159.130 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 08:57:23 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hey, Mr. Germany calling - GREAT JOB on your report and GREAT JOB in organizing such a wonderful Gottscheer gathering. DANKE VIELMALS!!!

- 209.240.237.133 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 09:50:20 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nice going Ted Good to see you in the P.Z.Sounds as if you had a gute unterhaltung.Ted is it possible to get that video on a C.D. zum bestellen.
Ich wünsche euch alle einen schönen tag.
.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 12:24:29 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, its 10pm here so you are probably still up and checking your computer. Another hot day here in BC. Hope all is well with you just thought I would check in with the Midnight Writer.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 04:57:27 (UTC)

Ridy:
Happy CANADA DAY to all the Canadians in the Plauderzimmer!
Looks like a great day for a holiday here.
- 64.229.177.34 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:06:38 (UTC)

Sophia:

Good Morning to you all. Your laugh for the day:

Senior Citizen Exercise

This is for older people. Younger people try it at their own risk. This is working well for me. For those of us getting along in years, here is a little secret for building your arm and shoulder muscles. You might want to adopt this.

Three days a week - begin by standing straight, with a 5-LB. potato sack in each hand. Extend your arms straight out from your sides and hold them there as long as you can-try to reach a full minute. Relax.

After a few weeks, move up to 10-LB. potato sacks, and then 50-LB. potato sacks, and eventually try to get to where you can lift a 100-LB. potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight out for more than a full minute.

After you feel confident at that level, start putting a couple of potatoes in the bags.
- 209.240.245.148 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:42:19 (UTC)

Sophia:
Yes Ridy, HAPPY CANADA DAY to you, yours and all Canadian Gottscheers. Enjoy, relax, celebrate and enjoy!!!
- 209.240.245.148 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:43:09 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia, thats a good one. Its a beautiful day here for Canada Day long weekend...those that take tomorrow off should have one of the nicest long weekends we have seen in years.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 15:31:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz---Thank you franz---Got home late from a wake last nite-Always nice to hear from you and all the friendly PLAUDERZIMMERERS. I think I just invented a new word! Happy Canada Day to all...P.S. "Midnite Writer"--I like that-I finally got a title..See you all later...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 15:36:29 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Happy Canada Day to all our Canadian friends, and happy 4th of July to all our U.S. friends! Have a safe weekend and be careful out there.
- 170.201.180.33 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 18:04:43 (UTC)

Benny:
Yes! Happy 4th of July to everyone, and Happy Canada Day too. I work for the airlines so much for a long weekend, but I will be celebrating though.
Sophia, Thank you for sharring the minutes at the GHGA annual meeting in Minneapolis. That was very interesting. Thank you also MR. Germany.
When mom visits me here in Orlando FL, cant wait to show her the Plauderzimmer here in the computure.
She is real old fashion she doe not have a computure.
- 152.163.252.98 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 21:36:14 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY TO ALL! Even you Canadians.

We're heading east to the Kotnik Homestead in eastern Long Island for some R&R for the next 4 to 5 days.

I was amused with all the chatter about TROTTLE'S & TUTE'S.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE "GLOCKEN JOSEL" EXISTED?

Have a safe Hoiday.

- 152.163.252.97 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 22:51:47 (UTC)

Benny:
Frank Kotnik, do you know joey and Eddie and Mary Matzelle? I knew a Frank Kotnik from Glendale NY.

- 205.188.116.15 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:04:06 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
BENNY
Joey, Eddie & Mary are my 1st cousins.
- 64.12.116.212 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:13:37 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
BENNY
Joey, Eddie & Mary are my 1st cousins.
- 64.12.116.212 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:16:13 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
BENNY
Joey, Eddie & Mary are my 1st cousins.
- 64.12.116.212 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:17:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
To Frank A. Kotnik Jr. -
Not 100% certain- but it probably meant that the chap who rang the churchbells was named Josef - Jöschel simply being a diminutive of Josef. People in Gottschee were generally known by their house name and also by occupation. For example, I was known as Wücksch’sch Ridy - Wücksch (Fox) being our house name. My cousin was known as Schmidesch Annerle - her father was the village smith. . .
Have a great Independence Day -- even you Yanks!
- 64.229.177.34 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:17:34 (UTC)

Benny:
Frank , Dont you remember me I have a brother named Johnny Trudy is my mom
- 64.12.116.84 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:35:43 (UTC)

Benny:
Frank, Tell Freddy my brother said hellow
- 64.12.116.73 - Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 23:48:38 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
HI BENNY!
I saw your mom and Uncle Joe at the Picnic.They both look good.
I hope you guys are doing well.

- 64.12.116.146 - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 00:06:59 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
BENNY:
Freddy, Margaret and the kids are presently in EPCOT / DISNEY on vacation.
- 64.12.117.16 - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 00:10:03 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
BENNY:
GOT TO GO. STAY IN TOUCH. Say hi to your Mom and Uncle Joe.
MY E-mail address is gcop19@aol.com
Visit my organizations website, www.g-cop.org
Take care and have a goodnight.

- 64.12.117.14 - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 00:23:27 (UTC)

Benny:
Hi Franky!!
We are all doing good, Say hellow to everyone for me. I hope everyone is well! I will send you a email. You can e-mail me at bmr96@aol.com.
Have a great weekend!
- 64.12.116.204 - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 01:13:57 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
BENNY:
GOT TO GO. STAY IN TOUCH. Say hi to your Mom and Uncle Joe.
MY E-mail address is gcop19@aol.com
Visit my organizations website, www.g-cop.org
Take care and have a goodnight.

- 152.163.253.99 - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 11:24:09 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Frank: Yes, the Glocken Joschel did actually exist. A picture of him was shown by a Gottscheer ( do not remember who) at the Gottscheer Clubhouse about 35 years ago. He had long bushy hair with a beard and had several small cow bells and other bells hung around his shoulders.
- 24.45.49.151 - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 01:49:18 (UTC)

Paul B.(Midnite Writer):
Just a quick wish to you all-Have a great Canada Day and 4th of July weekend....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 01:58:33 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone

this is in regards to the Glocken Joschl. Yes, he did exist. My parents told me that he would go from village to village and collect the cattle and take them to the medows. The folks in town would give him food, they sort of took responsibility for him. Nice gesture, right?

- 64.12.116.79 - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 03:52:00 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
We too had a fellow like that he was a schnitzler he would carve anything bat mostly crusifixes on the cross everybody im dorf had to take him for a piriod of time I am not sure if it had to do with the size of your property or what another words he was our local welfare case . I recall when he came to our house my father filled a big barrel full of hot whater put him in it and gave him a bath took all his cloth and burned them gave him fresh ones. I think he stayed about two weeks and moved to some other neighbour.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 13:51:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Glocken Joschl, Is that the same as Bogel?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 17:59:41 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
A very Happy 4th of July to all, hope you all get great weather for whatever your plans for the celebration are.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, July 04, 2004 at 04:42:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I second the motion Franz...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 04, 2004 at 14:44:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Happy Fourth of July to all. Kansas City has a large Lewis and Clark celebration down on the Missouri River front. Lewis and Clark did stop here 200 years ago. Many festivities planned all along the river route they took to get to the Pacific.
- 4.244.57.17 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 00:48:47 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
What happened to the message I left about 30 minutes ago??
Wished everyone a happy fourth and mentioned the big Lewis and Clark celebration on the Missouri River shore. Why did it disappear?
- 4.245.40.219 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 01:26:01 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry everyone. My first message just popped up.
- 4.245.40.219 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 01:26:46 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix, did you get the email I sent you this evening, about the latest issue of the Gottschee Tree?
- 4.245.40.219 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 01:27:49 (UTC)

Trix:
Good evening Margaret. Yes, I just read your message. Thank you very much. We have had many compliments on Konrad's life story in the Gottschee Tree. That was life just about 60 years ago. Those of us who lived through the war have come a long way, accomplished much and are grateful.
- 209.240.237.132 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 01:46:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Is everybody still watching fireworks? I just got the June copy of the The Gottschee Tree-will read it tomorrow-interesting...Hope you all had a good day.....Right now I am so full of Apple Strudel, I think i am going to explode..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 02:25:34 (UTC)

Jim H:
Paul, I read the Gottschee Tree and Konrad Mausser's article was very interesting and informative. His recount of the years before, during, and after WW ll held my attention. His article reinforces many of the experiences that Ridy wrote about in her book.
- 64.12.117.15 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 12:20:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Jim,Very interesting-informative, but extremely sad what humans can do unto brother and sister humans...And as we have learned once again during this new war-not much has changed in the way people react towards one another in war times....Sad indeed......
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 18:01:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yesterday during our Gottscheer 4th celebration, my cousin Frank Jaklitsch relived some of these atrocities-in the end he said glad to be living in America? YOU BET...When he got thru telling me one of the sad stories, I told him, "Now I need another Strudel fix"......So let us all pray that we will see a real end to all this stuff and our boys and girls will come home safe and SOUND....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 05, 2004 at 19:39:09 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello Christine Sharp (Petschauer)

Sorry to bother you with this again, but I lost your e-mail address, can you please send it to me? I am forwarding your e-mails in regards to the Hoenigmann's etc. to a friend of mine. In fact she is the daughter of Angela Hoenigmann Wirsching. But I misplaced your e-mail address. Thank you and have a good week

- 152.163.252.194 - Tuesday, July 06, 2004 at 02:09:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Waukenabo. Our high today was 54°F and rain. I am beginning to believe what others have said all along, we went from spring to fall weather in northern Minnesota. The wood fire feels wonderful.

Just a reminder to you all. Anyone planning a trip to the former Gottschee consider the next tour departing the USA May 25, 2005. A full 2 weeks of exploring, enjoying, eating and connecting with the people in the former Gottschee.

Also, GHGA members, our 2005 annual meeting is scheduled for the Los Angeles area the last weekend in June.

The North American Gottscheer Treffen this labor day weekend will be celebrated and hosted by the Gottscheer - Germans in Milwaukee.

Think about any of the above and enjoy preparing and dreaming about the beauty of the land and the beauty and pride in our Gottscheer heritage.

- 216.251.169.35 - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 02:09:34 (UTC)

Christine Sharp ( Petschauer):
Trix:
I am interested in the next Gottschee tour May 25, 2005.
Where do I get the information? Also will there be an interpeter? Have a lot of qustions. Please e- mail me at
CSSharpie@Aol.Com Will they be going to Altlag? etc. Thank you. Christine
- 198.81.26.103 - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 03:27:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry about your crummy weather Trix-Take a trip to N.Y. Weather nice on Long Island today. Happy Wednesday everybody.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 15:38:08 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Paul. On second thought it certainly beats the 95°F they are having in other parts of the US.

QUESTION TO ALL WHO MAY HAVE LIVED IN UNTERSTEIERMARK:

Last week I stopped at a fruit truck in downtown Aitkin and to my delight saw crates of the most beautiful, big, juicy, glowing yellow/pale red cherries. Naturally I bought a whole crate and have been enjoying them since. It took me back to my childhood, living near Königsberg (after the Umsiedlung) when, for a short time, my mother and I lived in a beautiful, big, pastel painted house nestled against a hillside, not far from Königsberg probably called Kreizbahk or Kreuzweg? My bedroom was upstairs. I remember opening the window and seeing a cherry tree, loaded to capacity, with the above described. I still see myself grabbing a branch and eating until full and doing that day after day.

Does anyone recall the name of these cherries or Kreizbahk?

Not far from the house, past a big barn was the vineyard. It had the most beautiful, huge yellow type grapes. Could they have been Isabellas? For some reason that name sticks in my memory.

Would appreciate your sharing.

Now that I think about it, my mom and I and our helper, Friedele (a fellow Gottscheer born in Neuberg by Tschermoschnitz) did not live there very long as the area, which was quite isolated was overun with Partisans who would raid the barn and take cattle etc. They also raided numerous houses during the night taking food, clothing, blankets.

Memories! You have to admit the Gottscheers have many and they need to be preserved and shared.

To you all DANKE, have a good day and I am looking forward to reading y our comments.
- 209.240.245.152 - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 17:13:14 (UTC)

Trix:
One more while I think of it. Remember a while back we shared the swear words that we all heard while growing up. Just remembered another one: Porka Madonna.

How about you? Remember any? They are all part of Gottscheer memories.
- 209.240.245.152 - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 21:54:59 (UTC)

:
Kruetzei Tirkn.
- 68.73.251.110 - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 23:34:59 (UTC)

Pau;l B:
How Avout Arsch Loeffle?
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 00:21:14 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Trix:
Thank you for the e-mail on the Gottschee Tour. My daughter
and her husband want to go, but do not speak German. They wanted to know when it begins . What city they fly out of
and all the details. I am not able to go I am ill at this
time so am not doing any traveling.Thank you so much for
all the information. Christine
- 198.81.26.81 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 01:22:29 (UTC)

Trix:
I can tell you that the departure date will be May 25, 2005. I think everyone will fly on their own and meet the group in Frankfurt. Details will be available by the end of July. Please think about the villages your daughter will want to visit. Language is no problem. Our guide speaks 5 languages. As soon as there are further details they will be announced.

The one thing I forgot to mention, you need to be a member of the GHGA. Then your family members can join the tour.
- 216.251.169.21 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 01:38:56 (UTC)

Werner L:
I recall hearing also the name "Hata Honsch"(Spelling?) who would go around and watch the cows for food and board.
Has anyone heard that name?
- 24.45.49.151 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 01:58:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes Werner, that was the term and that's exactly what he did - watch the cattle for room and board. Another good memory. Thanks. It may also have been "Hoata Hantsch".
- 216.251.169.21 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 03:07:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Werner: Hüeta is a common term meaning herder (could be sheet, cows, goats) Hantsch means Hans or Johann. At least thats my recollection.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 05:10:33 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Werner: please ignore my error in typing, that should read sheep, cows, or goats. Never knew anyone who herded sheets.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 05:12:36 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul-Midnite Writer, hope the apple strudel has finally settled down as we don't want to see you explode. Glad to hear you are having good weather down your way we are a little cooler here today but still very nice. And yes, it would be nice to take a trip to New York.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 05:33:12 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Trix:
Thank you for the information.My daughter Donna Peterson has
just joined the GHGA and is very excited about going to Gottschee. The GHGA has been very helpful to us in tracing
our family. In particular Jim Heinman in finding our family
back to the early 1700's, also Mary Mazzoni and Edward Skender and Liz Nick.This is a group of wonderful people and since I had very little to go on I am grateful for all the assistance they have given me and cousins I didn't know
I had. Thank you all again. Christine
- 198.81.26.44 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 16:49:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Christine, I am happy for you-because, as you can see that is really what the Plauderzimmer is all about...And Franz, I did not explode-must admit that i came pretty close..A good time was had by all of us, and that's what really counts..Weather still good here, how about you? Stay well...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 17:12:24 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, I was looking back over some previous posts and saw what you paid in taxes on Long Island, guess what - I have you beat. County, township and school tax + 1% township wage tax, $6164 per year. OUCH.

We do have a good school district. We also now have a million-dollar football field with hybrid turf, isn't that wonderful? Welcome to western PA, where every parent thinks they are producing the next Namath, Marino or Montana (not mine, I forbid them to play).
- 170.201.180.33 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 17:34:53 (UTC)

:
Hi Helmuth
Man you and Paul must be living in castles.If I had to pay that amount I would need to look for work. That amount of money would cover our taxes for 3 years. Too bad we cannot see your estates on the plauder zimmer.Of course you can always send them via Email, always happy to look at pictures, that is how I get to see the world .
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 18:32:11 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
oops, me again Helmuth forgetting to say who I am.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 18:32:54 (UTC)

Helmuth:
I have a picture somewhere, I'll post it and give you a link. Believe me this is not a castle, it's a 4-bedroom two-floor home, 6 years old.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 01:03:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: Helmuth doesn't want to admit it, but we have 16 bedroom mansions and a stable if thoro bred horses and all that good stuff. Seriously, I too have a 4 bedroom house.one of which is now an office. My upstairs used to be an attic and we raised the roof to make two bedrooms and a bathroom. And my house is 53 years old. Now if I was "ONLY" 53-I would do things a lot diferently!!Hey guys it almost Fiday here, so let me wish all a very nice weekend..An as the Italians say, Pense a la salute...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 03:42:25 (UTC)

Helmuth:
This picture actually makes the house look smaller than it is.

http://hwk.best.vwh.net/images3/FAMILY.jpg
- 170.201.180.33 - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 12:24:13 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Christine,
You are welcome. I am glad to have helped along with the others listed. There are many others that do a great deal of work on Gottscheer genealogy that I would like to mention. Kate Loschke Pruente Baum, Holly Droese (where have you gone and I hope all is well), Barry Deutschmann, John Herbst to name a few more. Kate has compiled most of the files that are available through the GHGA while the others have done extensive work on selected parishes. Helen Petsche of Cleveland has also compiled a large amount of data. All of their work and my work has been made easier by the GHGA.
- 64.12.116.214 - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 12:48:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: Don't forget-i am an old geezer, so I get a senior discount.There is something good about getting old..According to the reports, Long Island is supposed to be the highest cost of living area in the whole USA!!!So something is wrong with this picture.How come I can live here, and not be rich? Maybe i have to do some investigating myself and see if my wife has some hidden big bank accounts? Oh Yeah!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 18:01:17 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: I can't find any pictures except you and your wife. The ones of your 2 youngsters don't come up and I can't find anywhere that will lead me to pictures? HELP.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 19:43:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Franz: Just got back home.Are you up & about? It is less than half hour to midnite..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 03:39:04 (UTC)

Helmuth:
This should work Franz.
http://hwk.best.vwh.net/images3/FAMILY.jpg
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 03:45:32 (UTC)

Helmuth:
This should work Franz.
http://hwk.best.vwh.net/images3/FAMILY.jpg
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 03:47:15 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Paul: It is just about 8:45 here and still a lovely evening. They had said rain for today but all we got was a little spinkle so no complaints. Let me know when you figure out how you can afford to live on Long Island (I'm sure you worked hard and took care of your money). Must get my niece to try to visit there once she has moved and has time to do a little travelling about.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 03:48:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz-Youhit it right-in your bracketed sentence below the two words "WORKED HARD" tells the whole story and that is it franz...I still work, but not so hard anymore..Have a great weekend Franz..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 04:40:18 (UTC)

Regina, -Kamloops:
Hi, all. It is 8 pm here in Kamloops Saturday night. Have read all the messages. Interesting as usual. I am curious about Kaiservalt? I had a younger sister born in 1944 and she died in 1945 before a year. I would like to send for her birthcertificate. What city do I write to in Untersteiermark?
We took 2 of our grandchildren to the lake for 4 days and have missed some of the chatting.
Ridy I didn't hear you on this week, hope all is well with you.
Franz, you know when one goes to the lake the weather changes, no more 30 to 35 degrees, can't complain it didn't rain only at night for two nights and the days where sunny and cloudy on and off.
I have sent an email to Lynne and hope she decides to come and chat on the ploauderzimmer also.
Hope all have a great Sunday.

- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 03:12:35 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone and I wish you all a wonderful Sunday, July 11, 2004.

I am still looking for a cousin, the cousins Grandfather would have been Joseph Meditz from Unterdeutschau. Jim had really been so nice as to help me find them, and was very close, but they are now again missing. If anyone out there knows of any Meditz family from Unterdeutschau, please have them post it on the Plauderzimmer. I would certainly be very happy about this. As I told Jim, my uncle Josef came to New York, married and had 3 children. I have all this information that Jim send to me, but I am still trying and I hope I will be lucky this time. Thanks all of you

Have a good week

- 64.12.117.17 - Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 03:22:48 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message. May not be home tonight. Hope everyone is well. Hot and humid In KC. Typical summer day.
- 4.245.41.143 - Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 18:03:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Sunday everybody...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 18:11:23 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
We just got back to the house after spending a delightful day at the Gottscheer Country Club picnic here in Walden, NY. The weather was absolutely perfect - warm, sunny and a little breeze. We sat with old friends and saw lots of Gottscheers who came from Ridgewood, NY and Hawley, PA and places in between. Good company, good food, good music!!
- 205.188.117.24 - Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 22:50:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Elfriede-Remember me? Married to Adeline jaklitsch? Lorraine was just talking about you this week.And Frank wanted to go to Walden-The four of us-But unfortunately it just could not happen..Was Mr. Meditz from Middle Village there?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 00:26:12 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hilde,
I sent you the phone numbers of two people who might be the sons of Josef Meditz. I have a hunch one or the other will make a connection with you. There was one other but I don't think he will be related to you.
- 205.188.116.145 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 00:28:53 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Paul, Yes, I remember you, your wife's mother was a Stonitsch. Too bad you couldn't make it to Walden today. We are having another picnic on Sunday, September 12. I hope the weather is as good.
- 205.188.117.23 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 02:16:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi everyone. Was killing a little time and cruising the internet. To my great delight found the following Gottscheer recipe. My parents cooked this all the time. Can't wait to try it myself.

Have a good, good week everyone.

Garschte Praie (Barley Soup)
01/01/00
Soups
Bernard Schemitsch
{*****}
smoked pork 1 1/2 lbs.
small onion halved crosswise 1
carrots cut in large pieces 2
celery stalks cut in large pcs 2
large sprigs of parsley 1 or 2
water 6 cups
barley 2/3 cup
dash of pepper & salt (to taste)
{**********}
Combine all ingredients except barley in kettle and bring to a boil;
reduce heat and simmer for 30 minutes. Add barley and cook over low heat another 40 minutes, or until barley is tender. Remove pork and parsley sprigs from soup. Dice pork and return to soup.
About 4 servings.

Garschte Praie was once a staple meal in the Gottscheer (Kocevje,
Slovenia) home. Heartwarming goodness and easy preparation make this the
perfect cold-weather dish.

Bernard Schemitsch
Prescott, AZ

- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 02:53:22 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix:
Can't tell you how many bowls of this I have had over the years. Both my Grandmother and Mother made this as a regular wintertime meal. It was one of my Dad's favorites. Another one of my very favorites was Knelein with onion sauce. Does anyone have a receipe?
Regina: My family went to their cabin on the lake (near Vernon) and the same thing happened. Now they are home and the great weather has returned.
Paul: Have a great weekend (without Strudel)
Elfriede: Sounds like you had a wonderful day, makes us all wish we could have been there.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 03:29:17 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Garschte Praie is my all-time favorite Gottscheer dish, well maybe next to Kartoffel Knoedel. I will have to try the recipie. My tante Ida (Petschauer/Osanitsch/Kump) made it the best.
- 24.3.227.190 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 10:01:31 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth:I agree with what you say and another of my favorites is ausgerollatei knellein with the sauce I mentioned. I also have a hankering for pfraum knellein at this time of year which my sister knows how to make. Mmmmmmm I can taste them now.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 15:18:20 (UTC)

Trix:
OK how about a recipe for both Ausgezocheanei Knellein mit sauce and Pfraumknellein. I love them both. Danke!!! Back to food we go. We have had lots of fun with this topic in the past.
- 216.251.169.143 - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 23:31:59 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone

Thank you Jim for the information, I also replied via e-mail to you. That might be the one.

Also, I see there is a Bernard Schemitsch signed in, are you the son of the Aloisia Schemitsch? If so, she was my father's cousin, Josef Lackner of Reintal. Let me know.

thanks

- 64.12.116.75 - Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 02:17:16 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good morning to all.
Well Sophia I guess we are not going to learn how to make all those delicasies.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 16:09:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
OK Trix and franz--As soon as i contact my niece, I will get those two recipes..Haven't had them in a while myself.And Sophia, I can eat soup(the cold winter preference) any time-i don't care how hot the temperature is-and barley soup is one of my favorites...I make Garbage Soup-everyonr loves iy..Simple recipe Just make regular chicken soup and throe in everything you can get your hands on!!! Bon Petite!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 20:55:07 (UTC)

Bernie Schemitsch:
Trix:
I cannot take credit for the recipe but only for posting it on the internet somewhere.

Hilde:
No, I am not the son Aloisia Schemitsch. My parents are
John & Anna Schemitsch. It could be my aunt if that is the
same person that was married to Ludwig Schemitsch.

Also, "Hi" to all participants on this message board.
- 24.117.250.240 - Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 21:14:22 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Hilde:THank you for putting Mary Finke in touch with me I
got an e-mail from her today with a lot of information .I feel that I can now begin to put the Ohio cousin's with the rest of my family. i am grateful Thank you so much.
Christine.
- 198.81.26.10 - Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 01:29:59 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Christine Sharp

I am happy that you are finally on the way for some more information. Mary is a lovely person, I knew she would be able to help you some. Talk to you again

- 205.188.116.13 - Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 03:11:39 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Yes, Bernie, Aloisia did marry Ludwig Schemitsch.

Thanks for your info

- 205.188.116.12 - Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 03:12:43 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Bernie, thanks again for posting the recipie. Greetings to you as well, and stop by anytime!
- 170.201.180.33 - Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 16:04:58 (UTC)

Elflriede Stonitsch:
Bernie, Hi, I don't know if you remember me. I was friends with your sister, Helga. We went to St. Pancras and then Dominican Commercial together. You lived on Central Avenue across from PS 91, right? We lived on 68th Street.
- 205.188.116.77 - Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 16:16:39 (UTC)

Bernie:
Helmuth,

I sure will stop by. Lots of info and interesting messages to read.

- 24.117.250.240 - Friday, July 16, 2004 at 16:33:57 (UTC)

Bernie:
Hi Elfriede,

I do remember you Elfriede, although it's been a while.
Good to hear from you.
- 24.117.250.240 - Friday, July 16, 2004 at 16:41:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello and good Friday to everyone.You all have a very pleasant weekend now.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 16, 2004 at 19:49:33 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Herr T. Meditz
Many thanks for the CD of the Goscheer 50 year meeting in Deutschland bei der gedenksbrunne just lovely and good fun.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, July 16, 2004 at 20:55:49 (UTC)

Benny:
Hellow everyone,
Just want to say I enjoy reading all the posts here in the Plauderzimmer, and wish everyone a great weekend.
- 152.163.253.101 - Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 00:02:41 (UTC)

Jim H:
Relaxing up in the Poconos. It has been raining most of the day so we could not go out on the lake and I could only do a small amount of work outside. After a week at work, I really enjoy going outside and doing manual labor. Moving rocks, working on the yard, cutting down trees ---- hey wait a minute --- it sounds like I am a Gottscheer. I relax by doing all the things that Gottscheers used to do for a living in the old country. Mining, farming, and lumber mills. I am missing out on the knitting factories and the wine making but, at least, I do like to drink wine. I hope everyone had a good week. I will check in later.
- 205.188.116.6 - Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 22:48:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Jim---I showed my wife your posting..She said, "Where have you been all her life!"..... Hope the weather chnges for the better for you.....We arre waiting for the rain to start here....Enjoy your stay...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 23:20:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Another week ahead-I guess we were all tied up yesterday..Have a great week everyone..God Bless..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 19, 2004 at 17:48:07 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Hello Paul, and everyone. Hope everyone is having a good week. I tried the Garschte Praie recipe and it was excellent. I would recommend a little more water or a little less barley to make it less chunky...but other than that it was perfect.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 15:39:18 (UTC)

Trix:
CONGRATULATIONS Helmuth. Good job. I agree less chunky is better for me too. Our daughter Maria proudly informed me yesterday that she, too, made her firt Garschte Praie and LOVED IT. Brought back many memories of her Oma and Opa who made it many times.

Yes, those good, old Gottscheer recipes and memories. THEY ARE SPECIAL!!!!
- 209.240.237.176 - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 15:44:35 (UTC)

Helmuth:
I know many Gottscheers who were born in the US or came here at an early age, attended a Catholic school. For instance I went to St. Matthias in Ridgewood and my kids attended Holy Child here in Bridgeville PA for many years.

So I remember this story about a young boy who was awful in mathematics. He never got above a D in math. His frustrated parents finally sent him to Catholic school as a last resort. Like a miracle, he started working on his math homework for hours each night, and his grades started to come up to A's and B's.

His parents were amazed! They asked their son what it was about his new school that made him suddenly so motivated to excel at math. "Well", he replied, "when I walked into my classroom on the first day, and I saw that guy on the wall nailed to the plus sign, I just KNEW they meant business."
- 170.201.180.33 - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 17:56:36 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: That is a one great story!! My son attended Vancouver College from grade one up and was taught by the Christian Brothers of Ireland. He says the reason he got such good marks was because the Brothers were so "mean" that nobody messed with them.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 18:36:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Great story Helmuth..My oldest son attended St. Matthias too until the age of seven or eight.When we moved further out on the island he attended public scchool and his grades went down the toilet...I guess the Nuns and Brothers really knew what worked for the kids...A couple of weeks ago we took a ride to see some of the old haunts in Glendale and Ridgewood-some spots sure aint what they used to be...And time marches on....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 00:20:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
WHAAAATTT? NOONE EXCITED THAT IT IS FRIIIIIDAYYYY!!!!!!!WELL HAPPY FRIDAY ANYWAY...OUR WEATHER HERE WILL BE STINKY, BUT WE WILL TOUGH IT OUT..wISH A GREAT WEEK-END TO ALL OUR PLAUDERZIMMER FRIENDS AND FAMILY.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 23, 2004 at 18:09:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: Our weather here is in low 80's F. Too hot for me but as you say we will tough it out. Have a great weekend Paul and all other PZers.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, July 23, 2004 at 18:48:55 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Franz and Paul. May you and all the others who visit the Plauderzimmer have a great weekend.

We had 94 in Minnesota yesterday. At this moment, Friday night, 10:30 p.m. we have 49° F. Believe it or not I have a log burning in the fireplace. Can you believe this weather???
- 216.251.169.30 - Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 04:31:26 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Trix:
Come on down Our weather is Hot!!! been in the 100's here
actually 107 today. One can get a fast tan here. Even the cottontails are comming to the sprinkler 's and stretching out in the shade on the wet lawn. trying to get cool.
Have a great weekend everyone.
- 198.81.26.107 - Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 04:38:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Midnite writer signing off.Sleep well you all..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 04:49:20 (UTC)

Elvira:
HI volks!

I'm from Carinthia in Austria and I'm looking for GUSTAV HÖNIGMANN who's an old friend of my father. He told me, that Gustav lives or lived in New York City and today I'm traying to find him. Perhaps anyone of you can help me or give me an hint how to find him!?! (Hope my englisch isn't too worse...)

Thanks a lot, Elvira
pleas contact me under elvira.scherr@gmx.at with the subject "gottscheer" or "hönigmann"
- 212.67.237.211 - Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 11:38:30 (UTC)

Sophia Stalzer Wyant:
Grüß Dich Elvira. I cannot help you with locating Gustav Hönigmann in NY but I will forward your message to friends there.

But, I can talk with you about Kärnten (Carinthia) where I spent my youth - 1946 to 1952 at Baumgartnerhof in Altfinkenstein beim Faaker See near Villach. What a beautiful place and even though hard work for this teenager, many wonderful memories.

Might you be familiar with the area? Would love to hear from you. I will send you an e-mail.

Your English is wonderful. Congratulations und auf Wiederhöhren? Du bist Gottscheer Abstammung, ja?
- 209.240.237.163 - Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 15:49:06 (UTC)

Elvira:
Hi Sophia!

First at all: Thank you for your answer an help. I'm not Gottscheer. Gustav is just a friend of my dad.

I live near KLagenfurt if you know this. It's about 30 kilometers away from Villach. I'm looking forward for your email.

greets,Elvira
- 212.67.237.211 - Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 08:10:09 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope everyone is well. KC has had unseasonably cool weather. 50's at night. Welcome relief from the MO heat and humidity. But summer will return soon.
- 4.244.57.93 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 00:53:51 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: My son said it was 40 degrees in Fargo on Friday morning. That's very unusual, even for ND.
- 4.244.57.93 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 00:55:48 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, the weather has been unusual. Very hot all over the west coast up into Washington but cool centrally and in the east. Highs were in the 70s in NJ and the Poconos.
- 205.188.116.6 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 01:38:45 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Paul, I just came back from the Poconos. Rest assured I did enough stone moving and wood splitting to cause my muscles to ache. If any type of ache can "feel" good, it is the type you get from doing outside work. Let your wife know that I was just down the road on Gates Avenue but a little south of the Ridgewood border.
- 205.188.117.10 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 01:40:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings to you all. Margaret, your son is right - same here. The log in the fire felt wonderful and probably need another one tonight.
Sounds like you had a good, good weekend in the Poconos. Nothing like doing a job and seeing the results. The Gottscheers are not interested in doing just a little bit you know, they have to finish the job. Its an addiction, I think.

What's new with everyone? Who is going to the Gottscheer Treffen in Milwaukee over Labor Day weekend? Should be a GREAT time.

Just had a cousin return from a 10 day trip to Gottschee. They really enjoyed it and listened to ringing of the church bells in Tschermoschnitz for the first time. The bells were installed earlier this years. The church in Rodine, too, have new bells. Such a wonderful sound.

Please remember to join the GHGA. You will be glad you did and you will learn much about the history, culture and family records of Gottshee and the Gottscheers.

Next 2 week trip hosted by the GHGA will depart May 25, 2005 for a full 2 weeks of fun, frolic, food, visiting and enjoyment. Think about going. You will not regret it. Remember, you must be a GHGA member to take part.

If questions visit our web site or write to any board members for information.
- 209.240.245.104 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 01:51:32 (UTC)

Trix:
The Poconos comments were meant for Dr. Jim. Sorry!
- 209.240.245.104 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 01:52:09 (UTC)

Jim:
Hi, Trix. While in the Poconos, my wife and I went to Narrowsburg, NY. In the Gedenkbuch, there was a hotel owned by Gottscheers in the late 1940s called the Narrowsburg Inn. It is still there. I happened to ask a couple of women who were sitting on their front porch about it and they remembered the owners --- Bartelme. Her father worked at the hotel at some point. He had married a Gottscheerin in my old neighborhood. She was one of the women. The other was the daughter who was born in the neighborhood hospital that I used to go to as a youngster -- Wyckoff Heights hospital.
- 205.188.116.74 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 01:56:26 (UTC)

Jim:
I thought to myself that it is such a small world. Narrowsburg is not a large town by any standards. It used to be a stopover for loggers floating the logs down the Delaware. I am not sure why the Bartelmes settled there. It is about 15-20 miles from Hawley. The women did not think the Bartelmes had any children.
- 205.188.116.207 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 01:59:09 (UTC)

Jim:
His name was Josef Bartelme from Handlern #17 and the wife's name was Maria from Eben.
- 205.188.116.137 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:01:05 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
Did you ever get into those pictures I sent a link to?
If not or have lost link I can send you them again.

- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:15:17 (UTC)

Jim H:
John, I followed up on your email to Matt Gliebe. I cc'd you on it. Do you remember the Gottscheer Tree issue I was talking about concerning the San Francisco Gliebes?
- 205.188.116.130 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:17:35 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Jim,
I don't remember that particular issue, but will go back and look at it. I think most of the Gliebe's came from Ebental and Altlag parishes if I remember right.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:19:10 (UTC)

Jim H:
Anybody familiar with a town named Achomitz? I saw it on an Ellis Island ship manifest. I originally thought it was a misspelling but the manifest script was pretty clear.
- 205.188.116.214 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:20:43 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Jim,
Sounds like you have had a eventful summer. We have been so busy. We have been to two family reunions in Utah and been to visit my family in Utah. My brother, sister and I got together in Riverton, Wyoming for a short visit. I hadn't seen my brother for about 4 years. So that was nice.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:21:49 (UTC)

Jim H:
Yes, most Gliebes came from the northern parishes. I hope he replies to one or both of us. We should be able to help.
- 205.188.116.84 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:22:02 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Never heard of it Jim! Could there be an alternative spelling? Some of the Gottscheer towns had some interesting spellings.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:22:59 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Jim, I actually went to visit my family in Wyoming, not Utah.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:23:59 (UTC)

Jim H:
Yes, it has been a good summer. It is almost half over. However, that means a whole lot less to us than when we were children. Back then, the end of summer meant the beginning of schoolwork, and homework and ..... . Now there is less difference, we get to go to work whether it is summer or fall.
- 205.188.117.13 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:24:31 (UTC)

Jim H:
Not sure about Achomitz. I may try google.com to see if anything shows up.
- 205.188.117.18 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:25:11 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I haven't done much genealogy. Since I work a swing shift 3:30 pm to 12 am, Sunday-Thursday I have spent a lot of time with my children. So not much time for genealogy. When the get back in school I will begin strenuous research in France again.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:26:27 (UTC)

Jim H:
Achomitz is just over the border in Austria. North of Friuli and northwest of Slovenia. From the map, it is probably 80-100 miles from Gottschee.
- 205.188.116.202 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:29:27 (UTC)

Jim H:
Good luck with France. I know that you have trying to spend time on that side of the family.
- 205.188.117.14 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:30:21 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Jim, Achomitz is in the Karnten region of Austria. It looks like it is close to both the Slovenian and Itallian border.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:31:17 (UTC)

Jim H:
I will be taking a little break but will check back later. Have a little chore to do.
- 205.188.116.136 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:31:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I didn't see your post, but looks like we found same info.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:32:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim, you wrote Achomitz? If in Gottschee it could be Aschelitz by Tschermoschnitz.
- 209.240.245.104 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:36:09 (UTC)

Jim H:
Trix, thank you. We found it just across the border in Kairnten, Austria. They were travelling with other Gottscheers so it might be a case of Gottscheers moving to Austria before emigrating to the US. My grandfather is listed as coming from Lankowitz which was a mining town in southern Austria before coming to the US.
- 205.188.116.197 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:44:34 (UTC)

Jim H:
I originally thought of Aschelitz as well but the ship clerk had pretty good handwriting and most everything else on the manifest was spelled correctly.
- 205.188.116.8 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:45:38 (UTC)

Jim H:
Time for me to sign off. Have a good evening.

- 205.188.116.77 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:46:12 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
How has your summer been? It has been much cooler here in Utah. We still have snow on the south side of the Wasatch Front mountains which is especially unusual for the this area.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:49:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi John. Good to hear from you. My summer has been hectic but never boring. Enjoyed the annual meeting in Minneapolis, kids home, taking care of the yard and garden, staying in touch with people around the world via the computer (Wow - what a toy) and just do what has to be done. Time is flying so very, very quickly. Take care John. How is t he campaign going?
- 209.240.245.104 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 03:03:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim: There was a Bar & Rest on Myrtle Ave in Glendale owned by Bartelme...I know it was in the early 40s. Small world, I wonder if it was the same Bartelme you speak of. My father in-law stopped in for a beer once in a while. Our store was just a couple of blocks away on Cooper and 64thLane...Try to rest up your muscles Jim-have a great week..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 03:09:09 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I guess I didn't update you Trix, I got knocked out in the convention. I had fun anyway. An update on Linda's father is that he is back home and finally able to eat real food, but still has a tube to supplement him until he is fully recovered. He finally was able to go back to church this last week. He has not been able to do that for months. His prognosis is very good. The doctors felt his recovery from the surgery was miraculous. We are so happy to have him in our midst and hope that he will have many more years here with us.
- 206.38.34.56 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 03:10:45 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, everyone! I had a great day today I went up the Ski mountain here called Sun Peaks. We went up the chair lift and walked in the Alpine meadows at 6000 ft. it was beautiful.. We also went on a horse and wagon ride. My daughter and her 2 children came also. This is a very new Alpine Village copied to look like the Swiss Ski Villages.
Well, that's all for tonight 10 pm here.
Hope all of you have a Blessed and Happy week.
Regina.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 05:19:08 (UTC)

Sandy :
Paul B:
Did your family own the candy store on the corner of Cooper and 64th?
- 67.101.254.82 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 12:08:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sandy: Yes we did-do you know us? My wife Adeline Jaklitsch lived up on the hill on 64th Lane.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 14:13:08 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, another question for you. I think my music teacher was on your block or at least within a couple blocks. My memory is foggy but I think his name was Cozzucola or Coccuzelli or something of that nature. Ring a bell?
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 17:28:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: While vaguely familiar, I can't say that i really remember that name. But since the name is Italian, I am sure my father Knew -I think that in those days we were less than a handfull in that area..And a verysmall hand at that!!!! I helped break the band by marrying a Gottscheer!!!When they talked about me, they used to say"He's Italian, but he's nice." I am proud to be a GBM.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 18:24:44 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
havn't been here in long time, but decided to trace my ancestors again, hello to everyone and to u trix...
- 12.146.85.43 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 00:14:31 (UTC)

:
Paul B:
Was the name Brasino? We lived in the big house right across Cooper Avenue on the corner. I think my great grandfather built it around 1900, my parents lived there after they were married in '47, and we moved out near Sacred Heart the mid 50's. My grandmother continued to live there until the mid 90's. It was a treat to go across Cooper Avenue for an ice cream! Sandy
- 67.101.254.82 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 00:51:44 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
OK PZers, now that all the big sporting events are almost at an end I have a qustion. Does anyone know what the Gottscheer boys called the game where there would be a sqare form set in the ground made of wood like 2X4's on which 9 bowling pins would stand and a bowling ball would hang from above (such as a tree branch) you would swing the ball in an arc and had hit the pins. I have seen this being played but have no idea how they kept score.Congratulations to Lance Armstrong and the US Postal Service for another big win in France. Maybe we will get to see him on a US stamp someday. Enjoyed reading all the posts. More hot weather here in BC.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 05:03:23 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Franz, isn't that game called skittles? There may be other names for it, too. Obviously the Gottscheer boys didn't call it that.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 12:35:22 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, I'm sure you know back then it was a big deal to marry outside the Gottscheers, but being GBM is the next-best thing! My best friends from Christ the King HS were Italian kids and I enjoyed their stories and the fun we had. I learned a lot of questionable Italian phrases from them, too.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 12:57:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth, Yes I am aware of that-But the big thing with us(me and Adeline) was our age-I was 16 and she was 17!!!As far as being Italian, the only question came from my dear father in-law.He was worried as to what was Adie going to cook for me..Like Adie says, who was worried, or even thinking about eating!! Helmuth, we better not get into those "Questionable" Italian phrases (ha ha) We are just getting over the last encounter with those!!! It was fun while it lasted.....But, you can always e-mail me with some of the Italian ones that you might not have understood!!Anyway Helmuth, it is always nice to hear from you. And I will end with, as always, thanks to you for the Plauderzimmer-it has become a very important part of my life...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 14:33:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth, P.S. : It's only fair to give my own dear papas' take on the Gottscheer/Italeina marriage.As he towered over me(He was a big man) with his hands on my shoulders-he looked down at me and asked"Whatsa little shrimpolo like you gonna' do for that nice bigga girl?"
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 15:06:52 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, that's a great story. Obviously you and Adie have passed the test with flying colors! As always, it's my pleasure to keep this room up for everyone, and fend off the spam interests...it's a joy to see people using it and making contacts.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 16:19:43 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
my brother fred stonish born in bklyn,ny, past away july 22, in colorado, i miss him so very much
- 12.146.85.66 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 22:52:24 (UTC)

Trix:
I, we, are so sorry to hear the news about your brother. Our sincere sympathies and prayers Pat. God Bless.
- 209.240.237.146 - Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 00:31:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry to hear of your loss Pat. Our hearts go out to you, and yours..God Bless
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 00:59:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sandy: In ref to Curious Glendale, I responded to your E-mail-I got back a strange message about e-mail not being deliverable-but i can't figure out if it was the one i sent you.Just wanted you to know that I did reply Strawberry Kid!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:01:46 (UTC)

Trix:
New topic: Had a good visit with a Gottscheer recently who reminded me that the Gottscheers not only believed, but practiced, a special art of witch craft. Can anyone comment and contribute to this? Would be interesting topic, I think.
Danke.
- 209.240.237.141 - Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:11:35 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix: In the sense that they believed in many strange ways of curing ills. eg When there was a newborn in the family those who came in had to look into the fire in the stove before they were allowed to look at the baby, they believed if this was not done then when the person(s) left they would take the "baby's sleep" with them and the baby would be awake and crying all night. There is also the belief that if a certain bird (can't remmember exactly what bird, maybe a nightengale) flew around the house and made bird calls something bad would befall the house. Another was if you had a sty and wanted to get rid of it you had to say three times (with your hand over the eye and pretending you had a sickle in your hand) I am reaping you even though I did not sow you. Did it work? We thought it did.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 05:18:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you so much for your response Franz. I immediately remembered ALL of them. I hope others will respond too.

I am not wondering if witchcraft is the right word? Can anyone improve on this? Would appreciate it and PLEASE keep posting your memories on this topic. Good way to preserve the culture and practices of the Gottscheers.

DANKE!!!!
- 216.251.169.139 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 14:32:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sounds more like superstitions - Aberglaube - to me. . . and I don't recall any of those mentioned by Franz. However, I was only five years old when we left Gottschee.
The only thing I ever heard about witches was in fairy tales, and that was scary enough. Whenever I was told to be good it was to make sure the gypsies didn't come to take me away, not witches. On the other hand, when something didn't go right for my grndmother she'd say it was 'verhext' - bewitched. Old women who were mistrusted or disliked were also referred to as a "autei Hexe" - and old witch - certainly not unique to Gottscheer culture.
- 64.229.4.233 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:00:32 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix: would folklore work, it means local customs etc. ...but I think good witchcraft is OK.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:02:09 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you Ridy and Franz. Appreciate your feedback. So, are we thinking that Gottscheer Folklore would be a better title?
- 216.251.169.139 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:13:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ridy. After reading your contributions, I remembered them immediately. In fact I personally knew one of the women branded Hexin (witch). Even after she immigrated with her husband to Minnesota, I was still very leary of her odd behaviors and stirring looks. Quite a story about her.

Today, if all goes well Ridy, I will have lunch with Luise and Hilda. Imagine that. Will be very, very nice. Have a good day.
- 216.251.169.139 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:23:33 (UTC)

Jim:
I agree with Ridy --- I think witchcraft is too strong a word. Sounds more like superstitions than actual spells. Maybe there was a stray "witch" or two but I would guess these things would be closer to "local customs or folklore" rather than true witchery.
- 205.188.117.15 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 16:29:38 (UTC)

Jim:
Trix, if the Minnesota witch is still around, how about putting a good hex on the Vikings and a bad one on the Packers.
- 205.188.116.148 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 16:40:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks everyone. So, do we agree that a more appropriate word would be Gottscheer Folklore???? Lets just agree on a good title heading and gow from there.

Thanks. Enjoy the day. By the way, Dr. Jim, the Minnesota Gottscheer Hexin died many years ago. I guess now it will be up to the Vikings and Packers to deliver.
- 216.251.169.139 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 16:47:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
Folklore and superstition are really not the same thing at all, and they are not interchangeable. Folklore would be a body of traditional beliefs, whereas superstitions are by and large irrational beliefs, often involving something supernatural.
I guess you might want two categories: commonly held Gottscheer superstitions and another for folklore.
- 64.229.224.145 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 19:22:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Folklore--Superstition-Well I'll tell ya', it's finally FRIIIIDAY, and i aint touchin' this one with a ten foot pole!!!! Happy weekend everybody and GOD BLESS...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 22:05:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul - chicken but that's ok. We live in a democracy. May you too have a happy weekend.
- 216.251.169.5 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 22:46:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
O.K.Trix--This chicken is going to lay an egg now...My Grandmother , when we had a belly ache, used to take a demi-tasse cup and rub a clove of garlic around the rim and place it over our navel (sp?)--this she said would kill the "worms" that was giving us the belly ache!!!! Abd Franz, I brought home a big black bird that i had caught when I was a kid, and both my mother and grandma went ballistic--they said that was an omen of bad luck into the house...They called it a mal occhio...Whew!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 23:28:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way, that means evil eye for anyone who doesn't speaka da Italiano......
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 30, 2004 at 23:30:31 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
OK Ridy, does the demi-tasse cup over the navel fall under folklore or superstition?. Paul thats as bad as some of the home remedies my Grandparents tried on me. I remember once I had some sort of a growth on my inner thigh and after a few weeks when it wouldn't go away my Grandfather snuck in when I was sleeping (I was about age 4) and put a warm cow pattie on it. When I woke up and discovered it I flung it across the room. But the growth was gone!. What can I say.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 00:26:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Forgot until now, but all my life I was scared to death of dead people. When I shared that with my mother not all that long ago, she told me the following:

The next time someone dies that you know well touch them right after they die and then again about half an hour later. Your fear will be gone. My opportunity came with the death of my father in law. I did exactly what Mama suggested and she was right. I have never had fear of the dead since.

You see one memory jolts another and another and before you know it, we have a collection of Gottscheer superstitions, folklore or whatever we want to call it, all worth preserving and sharing.
- 216.251.169.5 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 04:06:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
OK Guys-so now we play can you top this(anybody remember that game?) When my father owned a candy store in Queens one of his customers who worked in the school across the street(The sweetest black later I have ever known) came in just before closing time, 11:00P.M. in thosedays.She was in excruciating pain from a tooth ache- a molar-She was crying so sadly for fear the pain would keep her up all nite until she could see the dentist.Here is the good part-My father took an Italian cheroot (cigar) soaked it in wine and then clipped off a little piece and placed it in her tooth. she slept the nite away with no pain!! True story!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 05:12:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Well, well, well - the sharing continues.Here is another generous contribution:

I don't know about witchcraft, but superstitions, yes. My mother-in-law still believes in many of the old superstitions from Gottschee and no matter how much I tell her that they're only superstititions, she doesn't believe me (I can see she thinks me a very ignorant person and how did her daughter ever marry such a person).

For example, you can not have 13 people sitting at a table. One time, of course either she or one of her siblings counted while we were starting to sit down for a large family dinner and discovered that there were 13 at the table - well, you should have seen them all jump up!!!

Another one was during Easter dinner we were getting ready to eat and my m-in-l offered us a small piece of horseradish root (I think that's what it was). I declined. She persisted and again I declined. She couldn't understand how I could refuse (I don't really like horseradish). Then she asked me in all seriousness how I would protect myself from snakebites if I didn't take it. I know I put my life in jeopardy, but I still refused.

Another time, when our oldest boy was a pre-toddler, we were outside with my in-laws on a nice summer day. I sat my son in the grass so he could play with the longish grass. He was enjoying it, but when my m-in-law saw it, she couldn't believe it - that her son-in-law could put her grandson in such jeopardy! Of course, I was clueless. Turned out that babies give off a milk smell from drinking all that milk and poisonous snakes can smell that and seek them out!

Another is the typical black cat stuff.

Another was at their business; if a female stepped across the door threshold before a male, they would have a bad day.

Continued on next entry.
- 209.240.237.152 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:11:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Part 2:

Through the births of both our boys we had to go through the "horror" of knowing that with their births it would mean that someone else in the family would have to die - and soon!

We, of course, couldn't prove it by giving examples of other births and who "in the family" died almost immediately. It didn't matter as it was a cousin's husband' aunt's 2nd cousin 3 times removed - there it was, proof positive!!!

I asked my great uncle (b. 1901) from the Nesseltal area if he knew of these superstitions. He said he did, but didn't believe in them.

He said that in the area that my m-in-law came from - the Hinterland - they were common. And no matter what you said to a Hinterlander (he dated one once), they totally believed in the superstitions.

- 209.240.237.152 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:12:10 (UTC)

Trix:
Another donation to our sharing:

... She remembered two more: In the morning if an old woman crossed the road in front of you, you would have a bad day. If a man crossed in front of you, you would have a good day.

The above came from another friend but speaking about this topic, I clearly recall that many Gottscheer believed:

If a man wished you Happy New Year it would be a good year; if a woman, just the opposite.

There was a real awareness about this and much discussion. It truly was important and mattered. In fact, I am aware of it even today and am always happy when a male is the first to call with good wishes. Silly? Maybe so but that is the journey in life.

- 209.240.237.152 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:22:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Cook Islands Richard: Think about you often and hope life is treating you, and yours, well.
- 209.240.237.152 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 18:19:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
TRx-So that you do not have to worry, Let me be the first male to wish you a Happy New Year 2005 right now!! Does that work? I hope so...I think superstitions are fun, really...Have a great week end.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 18:39:55 (UTC)

Trix:
Some more that we remembered were:
If you got the hiccups, someone was talking about you. You could figure out who it was by using the time of day. You would add the numbers under the two hands of the clock and the resulting number would be the corresponding letter of the alphabet for either the first or last name.

If a cat washes his face, it means you are getting company.

The universal - if your palms itch, you are going to get money.

If a pregnant women craves something to eat, but doesn't get it, a birthmark in the shape of the food she wanted will appear on the baby according to where the mother touches her own body immediately afterwards. And, of course it's absolutely true, because while my mother-in-law was pregnant with her daughter (my wife) she had a craving for cherries, but couldn't satisfy those cravings. Immediately, realizing what would happen to her child because of this, so she touched the most unnoticeable part of her own body - the bottom of her foot (she, of course, didn't want the birthmark on her child's face). After her daughter was born, there it was, a red, cherry-shaped birthmark right on the bottom of her daughters foot!

If it rains on a baby's face, it will get freckles. Again, this is true, because when my wife was a baby it rained on her face and she got freckles!

It was thought by many older people in Gottschee that old people had many germs and therefore, for the safety of their children, they would rarely kiss or hug them or their other young relatives. This may have been adopted because of the large numbers of children who died of the numerable communicable diseases in Gottschee up until recent times.

It's been a barrel of laughs with my mother-in-law, I tell you, Trix!

- 209.240.245.104 - Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 23:19:30 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
is it possible to find out about my grandfather, matthias stonitsch, born in hohenegg, to see if he was a police officer there, he never came to america so i was told, and also about two children or maybe one drowning in a well in hohenegg a relationship to me,
- 12.146.85.178 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 01:34:46 (UTC)

Benny:
I just want to say my Mom came down from Jersey here in Florida to visit me, and brought me some
LandJaeger, and Liver wurst from Shaller & Weber in Austria Queens. That was so goood! Butchers are rare here in Florida we have to buy our wurst in the supper market. There are no Bakeries or Buthchers here.One of the big chain supper markets here do have Boars Head meats. Well I hope everyone has a good week!
- 205.188.116.209 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 01:43:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Pat and Benny too. Nummy, nummy on the Austrian sausage. They are the best.

Pat: I will send your message to a friend to see what, if anything they may know. Lets keep our fingers crossed. Hope you are ok.

- 209.240.245.104 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 01:47:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: are you still up and about? 11:50 P.M.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 03:49:20 (UTC)

Trix:
GHGA member Konrad Mauser, (Mitterdorf by Tschermoschnitz now OR), a 78 year old Gottscheer, shares the following as told to him by his father, who was born in 1890. It is possible that it originally came from Konrad's grandfather:
Dear Sophia!
I could not ad any specifics to some beliefs.
The Gottscheer were very superstitious, believed in the devil, witches, etc. and often attributed natural happenings to omens of bad things to come. In our area it was believed, that if an owl was heard near a house at night ("oooo-whooo"), a death would happen in the family.

- 209.240.245.104 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 04:02:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Konrad Mauser continued:

My father told us a story of a group of men having a few glasses of wine in a "Gasthaus"and talked of ghosts being active at night at the cemetery and also the devil being there to look for the souls from the recently deceased. Most would not go to the place at night and some who walked past nearby claimed to noticed lights flickering over the graves. Very frightful! The local blacksmith, a big and strong man, just laughed at the men for being so superstitious. The men were daring him to go there and place a stick in the newest grave. Each of them would buy him a drink if he dared to do so. "Have your money ready! I am leaving right now and will be back right away!" They gave him a short cane and he left. They waited a half an hour for his return; an hour passed now and after he was not back after two hours, they decided to jointly go and look for him. All were afraid but encouraged each other, when they were nearing and entering the cemetery. They were screaming in panic, when they found the big blacksmith slumped over the grave with the cane stuck in the ground!

What happened was, that when the kneeling blacksmith stuck the cane into the ground he tried to get up. but could not, because the cane was stuck though his blacksmith-apron and was holding him back. The men surmised, that he thought, that the devil was holding him back and was so scared that he had a hearth attack!
- 209.240.245.104 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 04:03:17 (UTC)

Trix:
From GHGA member Rudy Kikel:

That's fasccinating. My mothe was big on non-prescription drugs. Honey, vinegar, steam--that's the medicine she believed in. Rudy Kikel
- 209.240.245.104 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 04:07:02 (UTC)

Trix:
Additional comments from Rudy:
The steam. Exactly. I put my head under a towel and began deep inhalations of hot water thathad a big dollop of Vaseline in it,
Unfortunately for me who seemed alwasy sick and likely to die young, my mother always put a lot of faith in enemas... Thanks for the tip. Rudy
Eastern Euope was the home of witchcraft. Think of Transylvania!
- 209.240.245.104 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 04:09:26 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Konrad I think I have heard that story as well and you told it perfectly. How are you doing, have not heard from you in a long time,do you ever travel up to B.C.if so would love to meet with you .
Hi Paul, I was sitting in the backyard having a glass or two of wine so didn't see your message till now. Its 9:50 pm here. Hope all is well with you, I have enjoyed your posts.
Ted, how were things in Klagenfurt? Hope you had a nice trip.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 04:56:07 (UTC)

Werner:
I enjoyed reading all the Gottscheers superstitions and have to add one. On many occasions we visited my in-laws in Ridgewood, most times it was in the evening. We carried the babies into the house and each time my mother-inlaw became very upset because we did not have their faces covered. Supposetly bad things would happen to the babies if the face was not covered when darkness fell. Of course we did not believe her and forgot each time. When the babies became ill, she would refer to our carelessnes.
- 24.45.49.151 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 14:26:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nice to hear from you Franz..Have a great Sunday--we are having stinky weather today,but I am sure we will survive..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 16:00:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Frank Kotnick: Did you have any part in luring that tiger back to his circus cage? Scary and humorous to read about a tiger frolicking around on Myrtle Ave and Forest Park!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 16:04:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Werner: Is this your surname? If so, are you related to Frank Werner,/ Mr. and Mrs. Fox from Glendale?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 17:42:17 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Summer is back in KCMO. Humidty is a killer.
We got spoiled with the unseasonably cool weather. Hope all are well.
- 4.244.57.185 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 00:45:35 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Enjoyed reading about the superstitions in old Gottschee. To this day, I am terrified of lightning and thunder because my oma went around the house during bad storms Throwing holy water on the walls. She also told us that
Himmelpapa(?)sent the storm to warn bad children.
My other grossmutter believed firmly in gypsies. They had all sort of curses for humans and cattle and would carry off disobedient children.
- 4.244.57.185 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 00:50:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
My own grandmothers were very superstitious, but the most superstitious person I ever knew was our Irish neighbor, Molly Flaherty. She was from Ireland and had a thorough knowledge of every spirit and curse from the Emerald Isle.
- 4.244.57.185 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 01:06:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi all. I haven't been on the computer for a long time. I'm just checking in. Hope everyone is in good health.
- 206.172.22.240 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 02:20:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Sharon=Welcome back
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 03:03:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening and yes, Sharon, welcome back. How is everything in Canada? Am going out for Chinese food tomorrow night and whenever I do, I always think of you. One of these years we ARE going to meet.
- 216.251.169.141 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 03:24:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix-you still awake? We had chinese tonite too.. Did you Gey my e-mail on the method of deleting???
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 03:28:51 (UTC)

Russell:
This is my first time in here in a few months.
- 64.12.116.137 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 03:33:19 (UTC)

Russell:
This is my first time in here in a few months.
- 64.12.116.137 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 03:33:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. Got your e-mail but am not sure I still have the computer lesson. Will look for it. Good Night!
- 216.251.169.141 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 03:54:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Russell-how are you? Glad to see you back..Gott' catch some zzzzzs-have a early and busy day ahead of me, You know, the Monday Blues?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 04:47:14 (UTC)

Russell:
Not at this time. I'm on the 2nd of a 4 week vacation. Normally I wouldn't have taken 4 weeks at once. But I had planned on going to a family reunion this week. Unfortunately plans fell thru and money had to be diverted elsewhere and I'm just home puttering and muttering on this computer.
I hated to call and cancel reservations. But I coy;dm't afford to go
- 64.12.117.19 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 17:10:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry to hear that Russell.Things do happen to all of us at one time or another..Hope you make the best of it.You can always depend on the PZ for good listeners, so mutter away...Stay well Russell..Be back later-have to take mommy out to dinner...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 22:38:27 (UTC)

Tri:
More sharing from a friend:
Some of these superstitions/believes I remember from my home town and hearing about Karl's farm village in Jugoslavija.

Sophie, you may remember that after our marriage, Karl and I lived with his mother and grandparents in one house. The first New Year together, I foolishly greeted his grandmother in the morning and wished her A Happy New Year! Later found out I should have let Karl do the FIRST wishing. Him being a male etc.
- 209.240.245.140 - Monday, August 02, 2004 at 23:27:41 (UTC)

Regina from Kamloops:
Hi, it is almost midnight here in Kamloops. I have a good way to get rid of warts. When I was a kid I had alot of warts on my right hand and during fire drill at school none of the kids would be my partner and hold my hand. So one night my mother said that a neighbour had died and my mother and I would get rid of the warts. Mother said to hold a knife in my hand and pretend to cut of the warts with the knife and at the same time stare at the full moon without blinking and pray that the dead neighbour to take the warts with him. Guess what? The next morning all the warts where gone. I had a hard time believing this but seeing is believing. This happened to me!
Another was about my daughters baptism. The godmother if she is pregnant at the time will loss her baby and sure enough in l977 my niece (godmother) to my daughters baptism was pregnant and later she had a miscarriage by way of a tubal pregnancy and had to have an operation. It scared me that this could happen in our day. My mother also said that my Aunt Maria could perform witchcraft to do with animals and make them well again.
Well all for now check in later. Gutei nocht.
- 24.67.253.204 - Tuesday, August 03, 2004 at 07:01:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you Regina for your contributioins. I have found this topic very interesting, exciting and educational and know that I am not alone. I have had so much positive feedback on this topic. Yup, I remember the warts disappearing myself.

We still need to settle on an appropriate heading for all of these newly remembered traditions. Are they:

a. Gottscheer folklore.
b. Gottscheer witch craft.
c. Gottscheer practices and traditions or
d. ????

HELP PLEASE! Danke.
- 209.240.245.152 - Tuesday, August 03, 2004 at 14:01:38 (UTC)

Regina:
Hi, Trix! I guess these stories seem strange but true, they did happen to me and my family.
I think the name would be Gottscheer folklore and traditions and believes. Is it to long? Maybe others would have other ideas. Hope to hear from more people on this one.
Thanks for answering my email!
Must go 11 pm gutei nocht und schlufescht gut.
Not go good on the spelling.
- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, August 04, 2004 at 06:04:31 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Once again leave it to the PZ participants to come up with more great memories; I have enjoyed them too.
- 24.3.227.190 - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 02:26:37 (UTC)

A Visitor:
Here is an article that is a change of pace for the PZ:

"SAVE THE FIRST DANCE FOR ME: St. Paul Mayor Randy Kelly set tongues a-wagging when he was seen at a gala charity ball gliding across the floor with a beautiful young blonde who no one in his entourage could identify. But it's not what you think. According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, the young lady on Mayor Kelly's arm was 10-year-old Greta Helmueller. She was there with her mother, nearing the end of her first ball without having had a single dance, when the mayor spied her standing in the corner and asked her for a waltz. Word is she made it home before midnight with both glass slippers".
- 209.42.192.2 - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 02:49:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank You Visitor. Great story.
- 209.240.237.139 - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 03:12:15 (UTC)

Jim H:
I think we are getting into the realm of semantics concerning the various terms. Unless it involves the casting of spells, it is probably not witchcraft. Folklore, traditions, and superstitions are not mutually exclusive. I think oral tradition is the broadest category but most of what I am seeing in the chatroom would be categorized as folklore or superstitions. However, we should probably just list them all as "interesting stories", this way we avoid the whole issue. Perhaps William Safire of the NY Times would like to tackle this one :) .
- 205.188.116.205 - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 12:30:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim: That is the best idea yet-Interesting Stories. Covers a multitude of thoughts on the subject...Here is one of mine: When I was just 8 months old, my mother and aunt when to look for a new apartment in Brooklyn.As they were looking around the rooms, they heard noises that sounded like the noise you hear from chicken coops! Suddenly my mother says to my Aunt,"The baby is burning up with fever." And they say I was beet red in the face! The chicken noises kept getting louder and louder.They looked out the back windows and saw NO CHICKEN COOP! They ran out the apartment and as soon as they hit the last step to thesidewalk I miraculously returned to normal-OOOOOOHHH! Need less to say they they did not take that "apartementa" as my dear mother called it...Mama Mia!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 18:07:24 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone

I miss talking to all of you. Hope everyone is well.

In regards to superstitious items. I have one, I don't know if this was mentioned before.

I lived on a dead end street for many years. I was always told that if a black cat crosses your path, turn around and go another direction. This happened to me on my dead end street; however I was almost late for work so I just did not turn around after the cat crossed my path, on that day everything went fine.

Also, my mother-in-law told me when my daughter was a baby, make sure that whenever someone looks at the child and makes mention how cute this baby is, take a scarf wipe her face and spit on the floor, otherwise it will be bad luck.

I have many more and I always try to avoid all things that will cause to be a bad omen.

Interesting things can be heard on the plauderzimmer.

Have a wonderful weekend and stay safe.

- 64.12.116.144 - Friday, August 06, 2004 at 02:53:04 (UTC)

Regina:
Guten ubent. Hi, Hilde. Interesting topic isn't it? I am enjoying reading it all. Today was a great day here in Kamloops, it RAINED it cooled everything down, we sure needed the rain.
If I'm not back, to all a wonderfull and safe weekend.

- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, August 06, 2004 at 04:35:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wish you all a very nice weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 07, 2004 at 17:24:19 (UTC)

Trix:
Same from here. Nippy in Minnesota. Am enjoying a nice wood fire in the basement. Just imagine - August 7 and we are having a fire.
- 209.240.237.157 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 01:09:19 (UTC)

Trix:
Regarding Cucumbers: My mother always started peeling a fresh cucumber on a certain end. The reason being that if you do not do it, the cucumber will taste bitter. Can anyone tell me which end must be cut first? Danke.
- 209.240.237.157 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 01:17:23 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
I also heard about peeling a fresh cucumber on a certain end but I don't know which end. I'd love to finally get it down. Have you also heard that if you first cut an onion by the root end, there are less tears?
- 64.12.116.14 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 02:37:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix And Elfriede.Never heard the cucumber thing, but I do remember my Grandma and my Mother and my favorite Aunt Concetta discussing the onion thing. and according to my Grandma, she says that my Grandpa (he was a royal chef in Palermo) said that all those stories were bunk! And they could really get into hot discussions about things of that sort. But, they all made the most delicious dishes.A Trix always says, they were NUMMY!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 04:13:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Can't resist adding my two cents about cucumbers -- I happen to love cucumber salad in whatever version it is served. My father-in-law gave me his own 'secret' recipe many years ago, and it goes like this:
Select a nice, ripe, English cucumber (the long, narrow variety) and peel it carefully. Finely slice the cucumber into a glass bowl. Sprinkle liberally with salt, and weigh it down with a plate. The salt will extract the bitter juice from the cucumber. Let it sit for at least half an hour. Remove the plate, and rinse the cucumber thoroughly under cold running water, and let it drain in a sieve. Return the cucumber to the cleaned bowl, season it, and add oil and vinegar dressing. Again return the plate on top of the cucumber and set the bowl on a windowsill to allow the salad to ripen overnight. The next morning, remove the pate from the bowl, throw the cucumber out the window, and carefully wash the bowl and plate and return them to the cupboard.
LOL
- 64.229.225.41 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 15:37:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Cannot resist - THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A HOOT! Loved it. But, must say that part of the process in your father-in-laws lesson is also a Gottscheer tradition.

I too slice the cucumber fine, put it in a glass bowl, salt it well, use a plate to cover and let it sit for about 1 hour. Then, I take a small amount of the sliced cucumber and squeeze the hell out of it and put in another bowl. Then I add pepper, more salt, if needed and my vinegar/oil dressing. It goes into the fridge until the next meal. I like at least a couple of hours. Where your father-in-law and I part ways is th at we eat it and love our Gurken Salat!

So, Ridy, you do not know which end of the cucumber to start peeling right? There is a difference. I have been there and started at the wrong end and tasted the bitterness.

To everyone, enjoy a wonderful Sunday. Dreary, drab, gray, cloudy and misting here.
- 216.251.169.31 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 16:44:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry Trix, but I obviously don't get the finer points of peeling cucumbers. I usually buy the longest one I can find, and then I cut it in half, crosswise, and start peeling from the middle because that's the way I can hold it comfortably. I slice my cucumber the long way with a potato peeler, not crosswise, because it's easy to just avoid the centre core with the seeds that way, and it turns out just the way I like it.
- 64.229.225.41 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 16:54:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Ridy. That's what life is all about - enjoying things the way one likes them, including Gurken Salat.
The question is if anyone knows the tradition of peeling a cucumber, specifically which end to start. One end make the cucumber taste sweet while the other makes it taste bitter. This is what I have seen my mother and grandmother do and talk about for years. I would just like to know if there is a right Gottscheer way.
- 216.251.169.31 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 17:17:52 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Thanks, everybody for these wonderful memories. I don't recall any of these stories from my Gottschee grandparents. But I just received an email from a Gottschee descendant who ironically was telling me a gypsy story that came from her great grandmother. She has no idea this subject was being discussed here, which makes it rather funny to me. The story goes granny told of traveling by covered wagon across the prairies of Europe camping & using ox dune for fires. They told the children to stay close to the wagons for fear the gypsy's would steal them. I had read that perhaps some Gottschee areas were more into these beliefs than others. This lady came from Nesselthal.
- 68.86.80.195 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 23:06:31 (UTC)

Christine:
My Father was telling how to cook cod fish. First you put the fish on a cutting board salt and pepper it then you put it in the oven and bake it when it is done you throw out the fish and eat the board.
- 198.81.26.74 - Sunday, August 08, 2004 at 23:16:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ladies, Ladies, Ladies...Cucumbers,long/short/thin thick/sliced straight/slicedcrosswise and on and on and on!!!I, my dear friends have the perfect and only fool proof answer to yhis delema...Buy all the vegetables you you desire, and anything else you may like for that matter. Arrange them as neatly as possibele in the fridge, figuring out which you keep up front so that you don't have to search thru the fridge when you are ready to prepare your dinner....And this is the killer answer to the whole problem....Look in the fridge, turn around to your spouse and say, "Oh crap, I don't feel like starting this-let's go to Bella Napoli Restaurant tonite!!!!!!That's what we do about 3-4 times a week!!!PROBLEM SOLVED!!!! We just got back, and we even have left overs for lunch tomorrow-ypu just can't beat this system...Try it..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 01:43:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Comments anyone????
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 01:45:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Can anyone help on this one ----

According to a recent email from Donna Gilbertie--- her direct ancestor was Francisca Thellian born about 1884. She is listed simply as from Gottschee as was her sister, Leopoldine, who came to the US a year later in 1902.

Donna says Francisca's parents were Mathias Thellian and Gertrude Tscherne. I checked my records but still had no luck. Donna also says that there were other children -- all female with one named Maria.

I checked all the records that I had but could not find anything to help. The Ellis Island records show the children but no information that was helpful.
- 64.12.116.135 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 01:59:05 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Paul B. - sorry for not adding my last name. Love that Italian food.
Trix - My mother and my wife make the Gurken Salat just like you make it. It is my favoret salat that tastes especially good the next day or two.
Gregg - do you know the ladies name from Nesseltal. Thats were I was born.
- 24.45.49.151 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 03:56:55 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Paul B.: That is the best suggestion of all!! Years ago, the joke going around was: What does a Long Island Princess make for dinner? The answer: Reservations.
- 64.12.116.22 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 11:18:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Elfriede--Adeline says to tell you that back in 1950 it was "Princess, but now it is "The elder Queen." Now, someone please tell me-What does that make me??Oh Yeah? I heard that!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 12:20:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks for the solution Paul. Next time I am in NY will you take me to your favorite restaurant? Would absolutely love the food and conversations.
- 216.251.169.141 - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 16:11:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Any time Trix. Just let me know when you are in N.Y. Hope all the Plauderzimmerers have a good week this week-weather wise and all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 02:33:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Afternoon Mr. Germany calling. Appreciate the good conversation and sharing. While you are having hot, hot weather we, in Minnesota, are enjoying our wood fire and coooool temperatures of 40°. What an unusual summer we are having.

Glad you enjoyed Klagenfurt and all the activities. Stay well.
- 209.240.245.165 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 11:16:21 (UTC)

windischdorf260593@hotmail.com:
Guten Tag, or should I say "Good evening", in France we have already 7 PM
- 83.177.131.42 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 17:04:47 (UTC)

:
Anybody out there g ?
- 83.177.131.42 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 17:06:06 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Bonsoir, France! Bienvenue!
In Toronto, Canada it is now 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
Windischdorf sounds more like Gottschee than France. . . are you a Gottscheer?
- 64.229.225.41 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 18:02:37 (UTC)

:
windischdorf260593 said:
Anybody out there g ?

It's too early for people to be on line in here.
They probably won't be able to read your message until 7PM EDT. 11PM GMT. Which would be something like 2 AM in France.

- 205.188.116.142 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 18:56:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
WOW!
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 23:51:16 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
My parents still make some form of cucumber salad. I think it's different though. They sliced cucumbers and added sliced onions, then soaked it in vinegar or something overnight. Oooh it's sooo goood. And it gets better as it ages.
Werner: The lady who told the story I wrote was Josephine Tramposch b. 1870 in Nesselthal 16.
- 68.86.80.195 - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 23:58:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ok, I have to add my 2 cents worth. Cucumber salad at my house is sliced cucumbers, sliced onions, and a dressing of cream, sugar and vinegar. Love it!
- 198.81.26.76 - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 01:24:29 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening everyone. I managed to take a little time and send everyone my greetings from Cleveland.

The Gurken Salat sure gets me hungry at this time of night. I really eat it at any time. My mother really made it so wonderful that I will never forget it. I was told that you cut off one end of the cucumber and rub it against the other end, this will take away the bitterness. I think it does work.

We should all get together sometime and start cooking our Gottscheer food and just sit and enjoy it. What a way to spend a week together. Right?

Perhaps we can make it a date sometime and meet here in Cleveland and have a "Cook out of Gottscheer dishes". Let's plan one. Have a good evening.

- 64.12.116.72 - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 02:08:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Great idea Hilde...Did I ever ask you if you knew Albina Kobetitsch from Glendale, N.Y.? She was married to Joe Kren..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 02:35:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Hilde you are giving birth to an excellent idea. Perhaps it could be done. What fun we would have.

Thank you for the hint on the cucumbers. I think I can remember that and tomorrow will give it a try.

Marilu: I love your kind too but not quite as much as the Gottscheer version. Hope you are ok. So sorry about your great-granddaughter. God Bless.
- 216.251.169.175 - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 02:36:14 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Gregg, the Tramposch's in Nesseltal were related to my father. Will do some research to find out how.
- 24.45.49.151 - Thursday, August 12, 2004 at 12:04:39 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
HI Gregg. How was the reunion?
- 206.172.22.240 - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 01:49:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HAPPY FRIDAY EVERYONE-WISH YOU ALL PLEASANT WEEKEND-WEATHER PERMITTING, OF COURSE...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 20:09:12 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Sharon:
Good to hear from you. The reunion was even better than expected. Abt 45 showed up. Beautiful weather, too. I brought my grandfather and his two brother's families together for this, and for the most part none of us had ever met the other brother's descendants. All 3 brothers were born in Hohenegg and immigrated here in 1902 and 1904. My mothers first cousin brought (they hadn't seen each other in 45 years) brought mom's parents wedding picture. My mom had never seen it, and didn't think they had one. What a treat!
- 68.86.80.195 - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 22:50:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Gregg. Thanks for the wonderful report. Where was it held? Do you have a group photo of everyone attending? Are you interested in sharing it? My family has never had a reunion and it would definitely be a wonderful experience for all.
- 216.251.169.172 - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 23:16:12 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Trix,
I held my families Tramposch reunion in Kansas City. This is where grandpa, his brothers and his parents all came to from Hohenegg. I do have pictures but don't have a website or anything to post them on. I could email them if you or anyone is interested.
- 68.86.80.195 - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 14:36:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Gregg. I think a photo of the group, with names etc. would be a wonderful addition to the GHGA newsletter, The Gottscheer Connection. Not only would it show our readers the individuals but might also encourage others to plan reunions. You may send it either e-mail or snail mail. Please include the Hohenegg information too. Good job Gregg and CONGRATULATIONS!!!
- 209.240.245.138 - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 15:25:32 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well. Anyone near hurricane CHarley? Heard a number like $20 billion in damage.
Can't imagine - worse than a MO tornado.
- 4.244.57.201 - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 01:17:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Taking a quick break from the Olympics. With all of you a good week.
- 209.240.245.72 - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 03:24:29 (UTC)

Benny:
Yes, west of the eye of hurricane Charley passed over my house at 85mph.I live in Orlando FL.A city called WinterGarden. WE live 6 miles NW of DisneyWorld. We had no damage at all, and we had electric through out. The eye of the storm was small and compact, and the houses here are so close to each other helped. the storm traveled
from the south heading north east of florida right up Interstate 4. The east side of the eye was 110
MPH. I work at Orlando INT Airport, the Airport was hit the hardest. Alot of trees were blown down, blocking roads, traffic lights were blown down.
The roof from the passanger terminal was blown off, we spent all day Sat. picking up shingles that were all over the ramp.
There still alot of people without electric, But thank god no one was injured, or killed here in Orlando Florida. The local news here in Orlando FL.
keeps us prepared and informed durring hurricane season. So we have tome to prepare and plan on what to do and expect in a hurricane. Anyway life goes on.
I hope everyone has a good week!
- 205.188.116.74 - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 12:10:10 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone

Paul, no I do not know Albina Kobetitsch. I was married to a Kobetitsch from Maierle, my maiden name was Lackner from Unterdeutschau. I am not sure where Albina fits in, perhaps she is a relative to my in-laws. I know they had an aunt in New York, but I cannot remember the name anymore, but she was not a Kobetitsch.

I am sorry to see that some of our plauderzimmer friends were in the Charley pass. I am happy to hear that Benny did not have any damage and I also hope that none of our other friends are ok. Some weather we are having this year.

Have a wonderful week.
- 64.12.116.196 - Tuesday, August 17, 2004 at 03:18:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Benny: Glad you are OK. We watched it on TV from here in Canada and prayed that it wouldn't take any lives but I see there were some deaths. As Hilde has said we hope all our friends are OK.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, August 17, 2004 at 04:30:13 (UTC)

Benny:
THANK YOU Franz, and Hilde. Thank god the hurricane was small and moved fast it could of been real bad!
- 205.188.116.10 - Tuesday, August 17, 2004 at 17:02:22 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank God benny and God Bless Florida-we pray for those who were hit///We have friends and grand and great grandchildren down there... All safe, Thank God...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, August 19, 2004 at 03:57:08 (UTC)

Benny:
Hi Paul B, Glad to hear your family is safe!
Things are improving very quick here in Orlando.
many neighborhoods have gotten their electric restored. Chainsaws are hard to come by thease days. Traffic lights are working again. soon everything will be back to normal.I hope everyone has a safe a good weekend!
- 64.12.116.138 - Thursday, August 19, 2004 at 20:37:20 (UTC)

PaulB.:
We wish everyone a pleasant weekend...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 21, 2004 at 00:29:14 (UTC)

Nancy:
Usually too tired to join on Sun nights so wishing all my fellow Gottscheers a good weekend. Dr Jim...I'll mail you my family pages soon. Took your advice about the software...Thanks.
- 69.179.29.78 - Saturday, August 21, 2004 at 01:44:16 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave a short message on Saturday night.
Will be busy tomorrow. Our "ND people" are here. We took our 2 grandsons to Mt Rushmore. Now they must return home for school next week. Bleib gesund.
- 4.245.43.213 - Sunday, August 22, 2004 at 01:16:28 (UTC)

Nancy:
I must submit my 2005 vacation request in a couple of weeks(can you beleive it?) Could anyone tell me when the Gottschee trip is...I'd love to go but have to request the time off. Thanks
- 69.179.14.214 - Sunday, August 22, 2004 at 23:56:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nancy. I am pretty certain that departure for the trip is May 25, 2005 and return June 8. I hope you can go. I know you would have the time of your life. I will check with Mary and Helmut to make sure these are still the dates.
- 209.240.245.75 - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 00:33:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Nancy, I look forward to your information. One of these years I would like to get to Gottschee. The pictures are beautiful. I am sure living there was a whole lot harder than it would seem from the appearance of the hills, woods, valleys, and streams.
- 152.163.253.101 - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 02:56:24 (UTC)

PaulB.:
Slow nite-Hope everyone is well and having a good time. Wish you all a very pleasant week.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 03:21:52 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks to Jim, Trix, Liz, and Mary! Jim...I agree that life had to be very hard for my granparents and families. What a sacrifice they made to ensure better futures to us. I owe my present self to them. Trix, I too hope I can get my vacation time approved so I can make the trip. Talk to you soon.
- 69.179.30.89 - Tuesday, August 24, 2004 at 23:43:34 (UTC)

Karen Hales:
Hi I am looking for some history on the Semich family. My grandfathers name was Micheal Semo Semich. My father was taken from his parents at age 4 and never heard a thing about them and was too young to know any king of family history. I know he was born in Yugoslavia and later moved to Bronx, NY.
- 207.69.140.33 - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at 20:50:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Minnesota Karen. Thank you for your posting. I am hoping that someone will be able to help you in your search.
- 216.251.169.129 - Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 01:36:47 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Karen, I looked at the Ellis Island site as well as other databases on Rootsweb.com. There was nothing on the Ellis Island site at this time. Some possible links in a 1930 federal census. Michael Semich age 33 living in the Bronx with wife, Clara, and two sons, Wilbur, age 7 and Anthony age 7 months. Michael is listed as emigrating to the US in 1915 from Serbia. Clara and Wilbur were both born in Iowa and Anthony was born in NY. Does any of this sound familiar?

- 205.188.117.10 - Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 02:25:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend to all....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 28, 2004 at 05:53:01 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening and Good morning to all of you. Just came home from the club and cannot sleep; we had a wedding to work for. I hope that I will see some of you at the Treffen this coming weekend. Our Cleveland people are departing on Friday morning and returning home after the Sunday festivities. We wish the wonderful people in Milwaukee a good Treffen. See you there. Good night
- 205.188.116.195 - Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 05:00:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Sunday to you all. Nice day here . Hope you are all enjoying a pleasant and fruitful day..And I hope the Plauderzimmer gets some action tonite-even tho I will not be here to participate, I do like to "READ THE MINUTES".... Sometime around midnite or so....God Bless
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 19:28:27 (UTC)

Nancy:
The Treffen...I can't get away for the entire weekend but Milwaukee is 5 hours from my home in Prescott. If I can only attend one day, which would you all recommend? Greetings from Prescott by the way....where the scenic St Croix meets the mighty Missippi!
- 69.179.33.71 - Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 22:59:00 (UTC)

Nancy:
The Treffen...I can't get away for the entire weekend but Milwaukee is 5 hours from my home in Prescott. If I can only attend one day, which would you all recommend? Greetings from Prescott by the way....where the scenic St Croix meets the mighty Mississippi!
- 69.179.33.71 - Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 23:00:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nancy. I would say probably Sunday. There is always a beautiful mass which includes participation of all the Gottscheer organizations in North America; followed by dinner, short program, entertainment, dancing and much, much visiting. If you make it there be sure and find the GHGA table and Elizabeth Nick, the GHGA President. I just think you would enjoy it.
- 209.240.237.160 - Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 23:11:20 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix, Thanks for the advice. I'll look for further info in my newsletter. I'd love to go. Have good week everyone.
- 69.179.33.71 - Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 23:19:21 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend.
Fierce storms hit KCMO Friday night. Some parts of town got 6-8 Inches. Things are drying out. Hope all are well and enjoying these last days of summer.
- 4.244.57.220 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 01:06:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good evening all-I seee the PZ is quiet again tonite--Hope everyone had a nice Sunday..Hi Margaret, weather still nice here on L.I. . N.Y. They are saying something about not so nice weather by Tues..Every time I see your name Margaret, I think of the Jonke that I know and I relive some memories... Nancy-have a nice time at the treffen..Wish a great week for everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 01:48:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
yes, paul and margaret, the pz is quiet. Too quiet ----- hello. Good luck to those going to the Treffen. Does anyone know when it will be coming back to the NY area? Nancy, tell me how it is if you get there. I have never been to one.
- 152.163.252.196 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 01:59:56 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am assuming that Milwaukee has or had an active Gottscheer club but I haven't seem that many Gottscheers going to Milwaukee on the Ellis Island records. However, there are so many names that have not been looked at. Was there a particular area of Gottschee that settled in Milwaukee?
- 152.163.253.99 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 02:02:10 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
These are the surnames that I have so far ----- Franko, Spreitzer, Tscherne, Dulzer, Kostyan, Zupancic, Kofler, Fink, Kraker, Auer, Schober, Mische, Herbst. I am sure there are others.
- 152.163.252.97 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 02:09:52 (UTC)

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- 198.81.26.72 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 02:10:00 (UTC)

Trix:
Gottscheer Memories? Could be, right?

Aprons

Some of you may be old enough to remember aprons. The principle use of
Grandma's apron was to protect the dress underneath, but along with that, it served
as a holder for removing hot pans from the oven; it was wonderful for drying
children's tears, and on occasion was even used for cleaning out dirty ears.

From the chicken-coop the apron was used for carrying eggs, fussy chicks, and
sometimes half-hatched eggs to be finished in the warming oven.

When company came those old aprons were ideal hiding places for shy kids; and
when the weather was cold, grandma wrapped it around her arms.

Those big old aprons wiped many a perspiring brow, bent over the hot wood
stove. Chips and kindling-wood were brought into the kitchen in that apron.

From the garden it carried all sorts of vegetables. After the peas had been
shelled it carried out the hulls.

In the fall it was used to bring in apples that had fallen from the trees.
When unexpected company drove up the road, it was surprising how much furniture
that old apron could dust in a matter of seconds.

When dinner was ready, Grandma walked out on the porch and waved her apron,
and the men knew it was time to come in from the fields for dinner.

It will be a long time before anyone invents something that will replace that
old-time apron that served so many purposes.

- 209.240.237.160 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 03:31:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is almost midnite here, but I had to say Trix that i enjoyed your apron posting-=talk about memories-wow, I would never had remembered the apron and how important it was-my Dear Old Grandma, whom I adored did a lot of those things you mentioned Trix...Thanks for the fond memories..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 04:01:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
I recall my mother saying to a lady: "Har hub dein Virtöch" (hold out your apron)and mother would then proceed to put into the lady's apron whatever she wanted to give her: fruits, vegetables, etc. The apron doubled as an instant shopping bag! It served both as a cover-all and carry-all.
- 64.229.179.91 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 04:24:12 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Ridy and Paul. Enjoyed your comments. Whenever I think of my mom I see her in her apron. This goes for both of my grandmothers too. Such a Gottscheer tradition and such good memories.
- 209.240.237.160 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 04:27:49 (UTC)

Trix:
OK everybody, I am on a roll. Am so tickled with your respponses about the aprons as worn by our mothers and grandmothers and probably all the Gottscheer women before too. Am making a collection of just those that I have personally photographed. Should be fun.

On to another topic. I would like someone to share with us what is was like the day the pig was slaughtered. If I remember correctly almost all Gottscheers homes had at least 1 pig. Slaughter time was maybe in December and it the meat lasted throughout the year.

I really would the details. How did the process start; who did what; how were almost ALL parts of a hog used; how was the meat preserved etc etc etc

I think it will be good reading and no doubt it will awaken our taste buds too.

Danke!!! Don't be shy?
- 209.240.245.167 - Monday, August 30, 2004 at 16:29:34 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Trix,

I remember my father slaughtering a pig in early December. This was in the 1950’s and we were living in Glendale, NY. We left very early Saturday morning for the 4-hour car ride to Lukan’s in Hawley, PA, which was a regular farm as well as the resort in those days.

As I remember it, my father and Alois Lukan would tie up the pig and kill it. Then they would drain the blood into a basin. My mother would use this blood to make blutwurst when we got home later that night.

Then the slaughtering proceeded and I don’t remember too much about that part. We would return home late that night and my mother would stay up very late to make blutwurst and render the lard. My mother used the lard in cooking and the best pancakes are made when done in lard. Sometimes she also made sausages. My father would cure the sausages, hams, pork chops and bacon. We would also have fresh pork for dinner. Those years we always ate our own ham and bacon at Easter.

Even though Glendale was an urban environment, my father and mother kept up with some of the traditions they grew up with. In October, my father would buy cases of grapes and made wine. Family and friends would gather to help clean the grapes from the stems. Winemaking was his livelihood in Gottschee and I know he enjoyed making the wine in the basement every year. In fact when we visited his old unused wine cellar in Gottschee in 1999, it had the same feel about it as the little wine cellar in the basement in Glendale.

Wow, what a trip down memory lane.

- 205.188.116.131 - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 03:31:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Ellie - Thanks for your wonderful sharing. All of our readers will enjoy your memories and learn a little more about our Gottscheer customs and traditions.
- 209.240.245.89 - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 03:36:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You took the words right out of my mouth Trix.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 03:45:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way, has anyone heard from franz from Vancouvar? Did I spell that wrong?
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 03:46:22 (UTC)

Trix:
You spelled it close enough Paul. No, haven't heard for a while. I bet he is on holiday.
- 209.240.245.89 - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 03:57:58 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Paul, thank you for thinking of me. It is a good feeling to think that someone is actually missing you. Although we have never met I feel you are a friend, even if it is from a distance.
It has been a busy summer. We had a visit from my cousin from Austria {Graz} . I had not seen him in over 50 years. He and his wife spent 3 weeks here in Vancouver ,Banff Lake Louise ,Jasper,the Rockies and Vancouver Island. They had a lovely time, We took them to Washington State so they could say they went to America. They were overwhelmed with the size of this Country, imagine what they would have thought if they saw more than one State. They are now safely back in Austria and we are getting back into the daily routine. Today we went to our Pacific National Exibition so that is pretty well our summer holidays over. Our weather is still very warm but we have had rain for about the last week. Seems this always happens at PNE time. Ridy, how is your weather for your CNE? So a big hello to everyone, it has taken me a couple of days just to go back and catch up on all the news here on the PZ.

- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 04:27:23 (UTC)

Regina at Kamloops:
Hi, everyone! Good to hear all is well. Yes, the pig butchering is quite a story. My family went we lived in Richmond had pigs and we all got involved in the process.
After they killed the pig they did drain all the blood and was made into sausages. They synged the skin of all the hair on it, so as to cut the skin to make schulza in english called headcheese. They boilled for quite awhile.
They cleaned out the intestine and saved all the intestine for the sausages. Us kids helped with the makeing of the sausages, turning the handle of the machine for the ground meat to go into the intestine. An adult would watch and make a twist in the sausage to make it to size. I also remember that the bladder was taken and blown up to make a very nice ball for us kids to play with! That is about all I rememner about butchering the pig.
- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:42:11 (UTC)

Regina at Kamloops:
Thanks Trix for all your wonderfull emails you have sent lately.
- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:44:37 (UTC)

Regina at Kamloops:
Franz: Great to hear you had company from Graz! I wish my cousin from Graz would come to visit us some time. We visited her in l962, she has never come out west. She has visited her sister and brother in Brooklyn, NY the Kumps there.
We haven't gone to the PNE for years. We buy tickets for the prize home and cars.
I went to Richmond to my school reunion 45 year, most of them I recognized but some have changed I didn't have a clue as to who they where. It was very interesting!
We also went to Schuswap lake for a week and got home on Fri. night and the next morning it rained and the weather has really cooled off.
- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 07:54:36 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Regina;
You have not missed much not having gone to the PNE.
It is not what it once was (down sizing and all) I was disapointed. Hope you are keeping well Heard you had some strange weather up your way.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 02:11:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Franz, and welcome back..Glad you are well...Nothing so interesting or exciting here..Just a lot of Haggling and running around etting our kitchen fully renovated..Started out with a new fridge, and escalated into a fullkitchen make over...Stay well Franz, be talking to you...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 15:24:50 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Paul.
I know what you are talking about I too have recently installed a new fan over the stove , and it would appear that now the kitchen is in need of a new facelift , tiles around and abouve of the counter .But than I do enjoy doing that sort of thing .But first while the weather cooperates I have a lot of yard work to do.Exactly what sort of renovation are you having to do and are you doing them yourself? Well I am of to slumber land keep me informed as to the progress. it is too bad that we are not able to share photos on this PZ. would be interesting What do you think Helmuth? just kidding.good night to all and stay healthy and DO keep busy.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 07:07:29 (UTC)

Helmuth:
No I think that's a great idea Franz (pictures on the PZ). Space issues on this server can be a factor, but let me work on it.
- 170.201.180.33 - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 14:15:38 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Helmuth, that would be a wonderful addition to your excellent site. I, for one, would truly enjoy it. Danke!!!
- 209.240.245.86 - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 14:50:39 (UTC)

George Plautz:
What happened to the bulletin board? I read that the effort to mount a web site was being stopped.
- 68.100.97.131 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 00:45:44 (UTC)

Trix:
George, are you talking about the Gottscheer Bulletin Board? It is still operating.
How is life treating you? Long time no hear. Hope all is well.
- 209.240.245.107 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 03:03:05 (UTC)

Helmuth:
George you may be clicking the old link. This is the right one.
http://hwk.best.vwh.net/gbb
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 12:40:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Adie & I wish everyone a pleasant holiday weekend in the states, and GOD BLESS US ALL...Those of us who are far removed from the problems world wide and on our own turf, such as the beating in Florida from the storm should really pray hard for God to help us all, and save the innocent children.....Thank You.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 16:24:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HELLO FRANZ: ON A LIGHTER NOTE, WE ARE PROGRESSING SLOWLY ON THE KITCHEN CAPER....I SAID A COMPLETE RENOVATION, BUT THAT WAS SLIGHTLY EXAGERRATED. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE CABINETS, WHICH ARE IN GREAT SHAPE.JUST HAVE TO CUT A COUPLE OF INCHES OFF ONE CABINET THAT IS OVER THE FRIDGE..nOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRICES---WELL, THAT IS ANOTHER WHOLE STORY!!!!!! SO LET'S NOT DO THAT...AND, I AM NOT DOING ANY OF THE WORK, EVEN THO I DO LIKE FIXING UP. LAST NITE I WAS UP UNTIL ALMOST 3:00 a.m. WORKING FOR MY SON IN THE OFFICE...SORRY FOLKS FOR TAKING UP SO MUCH ROOM HERE....STAY WELL FRANZ...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 16:32:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Your message Paul was nicely done. The world is in a sad place at the moment, that is for sure. So much tragedy, hatred, suffering and unforseen disasters makes one wonder what the future holds. It is indeed important to live in the present and be grateful for our gifts.

Must say, even as a Democratic, enjoyed Arnold speech at the Republican convention. Yup, I hear him and the wish of many to go to America, the land of opportunities. Been there - done that - appreciated it and am grateful, beyond words, of the good life God has given me.

I, too, wish all of you a safe Labor Day weekend. Thank you for your labors who contribute to make life good.

And to all the Gottscheers, who are gathering in Milwaukee this weekend - celebrate your heritage and gifts. And, dance one for me too.
- 209.240.237.175 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 18:12:36 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Trix, indeed Arnold's speech was inspiring, however I'm sorry that it was marred when he called his birthplace in Styria (Austria) in 1946 a "socialist country" with "tanks in the streets" when we know that is not so. Can anyone here in the PZ corroborate that, or are the historians that are calling him to task on this, correct? Sorry but when people manipulate facts for political expediency my BS meter goes off the scale :-/
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 18:49:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
The historians are correct. I also lived in Styria (Graz) from May 1945 to September 1948, and Ahnowld Daklink is out to lunch.... probably those stinky cigars he smokes. Sorry, I didn't listen to his speech, and when you read it the cold, hard fact don't seem quite so hard. When I hear his voice I grab the remote.
- 64.229.179.91 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 19:30:11 (UTC)

Trix:
So, Ridy and Helmuth what you are saying is that there were NO tanks in Graz at any time? Hm. Interesting.
- 216.251.169.173 - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 23:22:17 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
I was in Graz from August 45 to July 48 and saw many Russian troops and vehicles but do not remember seeing any tanks, Russian or Austrian. I was 17 years old when I left in 48 so I think I would remember. Unless of course the tanks were only in certain places. I think Arnoooold is learning his history from the wrong people. How old is he? Was he even born in 1947? Did the Austrians even own any tanks at that time? I understand from my cousin that they now have an airforce... 7 planes. And when they take off to the south they have to turn east or west quickly or they infringe on Slovenian airspace!!! Helmut, are you watching the World Cup. Canada is winning against Russia at the moment.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 00:54:29 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello All, unfortunately, I won't make it to Milwaukee on Sunday as my serpentine belt broke today while on the freeway. My hasband will fix it in the morning. Trix, I met with my newly discovered cousin Cheryl! What a joy that was. We have plans to meet again in a few weeks. Quiet night here. Pray for the people in Florida. Have a good weekend everyone.
- 69.179.15.115 - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 01:33:40 (UTC)

Paul B.:
The midnite writer is back. 12:20 A.M. Just got back from dinner! Thought I'd say Happy Sunday to everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 04:22:17 (UTC)

Trix:
To our many Gottscheer friends in Florida we send prayers and best wishes during this tough time. We hope that you are ok. Please update us when time and circumstances permit. God Bless!!!
- 216.251.169.10 - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 17:57:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Trix-we all second the motion.Have been trying to get my grandkids down there, but they must all have lost power. They are all in one house that is supposed to be "hurricaine proof".....God Bless & Please protect us all..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 18:06:47 (UTC)

Trix:

A message from Florida:
Dear Trix: Your prayers were answered. We lost phone service only for a few hours today. We had winds of only
50 mph with rain of course. So, we are very, very grateful.
Thanks so much for thinking of us. We are looking forward to 8 days away beginning Friday the 10th. Lydia

- 216.251.169.10 - Sunday, September 05, 2004 at 21:58:49 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello all, Glad to know that our Florida friends are safe and we'll keep you in our thoughts. Severe weather here tonight in tornado alley. Sirens for the past hour but we are usually safe along the river bluffs. Trix...do you have a recipe for struedel? Am I spelling that right? Take care all.
- 69.179.14.49 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 00:12:16 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Do we have an PZ people in Florida? I wish you well. This must be a terrible time for many. My Stalzer and Jonke cousins are safe. Thank goodness. Have a good Labor Day holiday.Bleib gesund.
- 4.244.192.241 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 00:31:24 (UTC)

Marilu:
My grandson is in Orlando at Disney World on a school football trip. Everyone is ok and he will be back home tomorrow night.
- 198.81.26.6 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 02:08:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening. The Gottscheer Treffen is almost over as I write this note. I am sure everyone had a great time. The Milwaukee Gottscheers and friends do an outstanding job. Hope that someone will share their memories with all of us here in the Plauderzimmer.
Raining very, very heavy at Waukenabo.
- 209.240.245.155 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 02:18:54 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, all and a pleasent weekend. Finished a late dinner
shortly. Hope everyone has a very ralaxing day tomorrow.
Geat stuff about the aprons I remember hiding behind my mothers apron, I was terribly shy, not so anymore.
Gutei nocht ole.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 03:29:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Regina. Did you ever receive a photo of Reichenau? I think we talked about it but can't remember the outcome.
- 209.240.245.155 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 03:40:33 (UTC)

Trix - LIFE IN GOTTSCHEE:
Here we go. I was asked if it is true that there were many arranged marriages in Gottschee. I know there were some. Can anyone tell us why it was done? Who qualified in that field? As always Danke and yes, this is a continuing part of LIFE IN GOTTSCHEE. Feel free to share.
- 209.240.245.155 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 04:08:09 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good evening to one and all glad to hear the weather in Floida is improving and everyone is OK.
Well Trix I dont know of any arranged marriges but I have heard there were some, usually it had to do with money and property.
I just got home from my sister's where we had pfraum knlelein.I must say she makes them just as good as our Mother and Grandmother did.Yummy!!
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 04:32:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Frank. I have yet to try Pfraum Kneilein - always loved them yet never made them. Chicken, I guess but I am going to do it this year. Does she roll them in hot butter, with breadcrumbs, sugar and a little cinammon too? Yes, I agree YUMMY!!!
- 209.240.245.155 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 04:47:54 (UTC)

Trix:
I think the words should be Pfraum Knellein. Sounds good anyway.
- 209.240.245.155 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 04:49:00 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix you are probably right on the spelling and yes she rolls them in hot butter and breadcrumbs but no cinammon. I know she puts potatoes in the dough but thats all I know about making them but I am really, really good at eating them. Tonight I had far too many, about a dozen, so now I will have to work hard for the next week to take off the 3 pounds I just gained in one meal. But what the heck, its only once or twice a year (when the plums are ready) that she makes them.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 05:00:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Enjoy Franz, Enjoy...Your weight will stabalize itself. I have to get that receipe from my niece//
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 05:29:28 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi mid night writer: thank,s for the encouriging words.
I keep telling myself the same thing but it is not happening.perhaps I should try to eat less see how that works.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 06:04:10 (UTC)

Regina :
Hello, Just got back here. So, pfraum knelein is on the menu tonight. Yes, I have made them about every 5 yrs of so, very delicious, Yummy is the best word.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 07:03:55 (UTC)

Regina :
Hi, Trix. I had it all typed out and it would not send my message. So, here goes again. About arranged marriages, I know of first had. My mother & father had an arranged marrieage. My Granfather Johan Ramor decided it was time his oldest son was to marry a strong woman to run the family & farm. She certainly was the right woman to them.
She got them out of dept and the farm running smoothly.
She told me she was afraid of my father when she first met.
She also did not like to move into a large family of strangers. My father was a kind man and things worked out quite well. My mother did all the finances and the household as well as deciding what to do on the farm.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 07:13:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Gottscheer Treffen:
Hi Sophia,

Gottscheer Treffen was a complete success.
The presentations were impressive (folk dancing choir, singers etc.). I
had two presentations: a skit and the Schnitzelbank. Many people came to
express their appreciation. The mass was very beautiful with the Gottscheer
Heimatchor singing.
- 209.240.237.172 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 14:27:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: Whatever works for you. I still eat a lot of everything I like..Sometimes I get away with it, aaaand sometimes i pay dearly...Life aint just a bowl of cherries all of the time-but, without life we would not be able to eat, drink, and be merry-or sad-glad and good and bad.Sooo when you add it all up, it is worth it...Good Monday to you franz, and stay well...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 20:05:55 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul
I do belive this is good advise thanks .
We are having a lovely labour day, sunny and warm hope your day is equally as nice .
Franz.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 22:00:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry folks& friends in Canada--Hope you are all having a wonderful Labor day holiday.......
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 22:47:09 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Hello again everyone! Just a quick report on the Treffen before my workday begins...
I don't know how they managed to do it, but a small yet incredibly determined Gottscheer Deutscher Verein Milwaukee pulled off a wonderful Treffen this past weekend that left all in attendance with smiles on their faces. Cleveland sent three busloads, New York flew in over 70(!) participants, and Kitchener, Toronto as well as Chicago had small but enthusiastic contingents. The hall at St. Augustine was comfortably full both days. Highlights on Saturday were the skit on Gottscheer phrases and the Schnitzelbank, as well as performances by the Kitchener dance group and the Milwaukee ladies singers. At Sunday Mass, the Cleveland Heimatchor, the New York chor and a brass ensemble from the Cleveland brass band all joined together to provide the music (we are confident that this collaboration will become the tradition for future Treffens). Sunday's highlights included dinner music by the Cleveland brass band; singing the anthems and remembering our departed; a performance by the New York Choir that ended with the Milwaukee, New York and Cleveland singers joining together in "Als Freunde Kammen Wir, Als Freunde Gehen Wir"; and a performance by the Cleveland dance group. (cont.)
- 141.110.70.54 - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 12:27:01 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
(cont.) Of course, the biggest highlight on Sunday was Milwaukee's signature "torte march". 51 (it seemed like 500!) homemade tortes were paraded through the hall after a delicious dinner. Participants' eyes were as big as the plates that the incredible delicacies were served on. Talk about full stomachs!
Every member of the Milwaukee Verein should be incredibly proud of this very successful and heartwarming 2004 Treffen. Perhaps most impressive was the enthusiasm and hard work by the younger members (teens and 20s) - hopefully this is an indication of many more Milwaukee Treffens in the future.
Mark your calenders: Toronto has accepted the North American Gottscheer Treffen for Labor Day Weekend 2005, and New York will host it in 2006.
- 141.110.70.54 - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 12:39:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Herb - Thanks so very much for your excellent report. I feel like I was there! Have been, numerous times, and always enjoyed it including the Torten March. What a beautiful sight that always was.

- 216.251.169.162 - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 14:09:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
When you bring your Cleveland choir to sing at the Mass in St. Patrick's next year, Herbert, I promise I'll be singing backup somewhere in the crowd! Appreciated hearing all about the Milwaukee Treffen from you. Thanks!
- 64.229.179.91 - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 16:47:53 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello Gottscheer Friends all over!

I read Herb's message about the Gottscheer Treffen in Milwaukee. There is nothing I can add to this, but say how beautiful it was, their hospitality in Milwaukee is awsome. The atmosphere in Milwaukee was something that we will never forget. The food, the service, the entertainment was the best. We thank all of the club members in Milwaukee for a job well done. I am still thinking about the torts, I will not be able to eat anything for several weeks, they were so rich.

May God bless all of the Gottscheer/Deutsch in Milwaukee for showing us such a wonderful time. You are just too wonderful.

I also want to thank Herb for doing such a wonderful job for the Mass and the New York choir fit in perfectly with our Cleveland Choir. Also a big thanks to the Brass Band and the Gottscheer Tanz und Spiel Kreis for making us all proud of our Cleveland delegation. We love you all.

Have a wonderful week and I hope that the storms in Florida will soon end, we do not want anymore things destroyed.

- 152.163.252.100 - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 00:56:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Hilde for taking the time to share your wonderful memories about the Treffen. Agree, those Torten are something else. Glad you had a great time and hope you do it again next year.
- 209.240.245.107 - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 01:47:19 (UTC)

Trix:
For your information: In case anyone is interested in ordering document on their Gottscheer ancestors, you may do so by writing to:

Nadskofija Ljubljana Arhiv
Attn: Tone Krampac
Krekov TRG 1
SI-1000 Ljubljana
Slovenia

There is a reasonable charge for copies of any documents in their files.

Thanks H.Myron Bohn,Jr. for sharing this information. Appreciate it.
- 209.240.245.150 - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 14:52:38 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Trix, Sounds like I missed a wonderful Treffen and it would have been my first too. What kind of documents are you refering to from Nadskofija Ljubljana Arhiv? Is this something beyond the LDS files? Thanks and I'll let you know how the strudel turns out.
- 69.179.31.217 - Wednesday, September 08, 2004 at 21:50:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Birth Certificates, Marriage Certificates etc. The one that I received is a very impressive looking document.

Good luck on the Strudel. I don't doubt its success for a minute. Have total confidence in you.

That reminds me, I better do some practice baking myself. Need 3 for a big Democratic Fundraising Dinner on the 19th.
- 216.251.169.20 - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 03:31:33 (UTC)

Nancy:
Dr Jim, where are you? The LDS films are in so I guess that's what I'm doing this weekend. Also received the death certificate for Ferdinand Spreitzer. Just thought you'd like to know. I'll keep you posted.
- 69.179.31.17 - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 21:09:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nancy. Tell me a little more about Ferdinand Spreitzer. Where did he come from in Gottschee?
- 216.251.169.154 - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 22:14:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi evryone. Just a quick stop bye. I'm in the middle of making beetleaf "cabbage" rolls. Hope everyone is doing fine.
- 206.172.22.240 - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 23:05:28 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Trix, Ferdinand Spreitzer was my granmother Johanna Tscherne's nephew. He married Johanna Sterbenz. His parents were Mathias Spreitzer and Josefa Tscherne. He was born is Lachina, Stockendorf and immigrated to New York. He had a butcher shop in Queens and lived in Queens as well. I had the pleasure of meeting him in the 70s. He was in his 80s when he passed away in the mid 80s. I didn't know what his connection to me was as we all called him Uncle Fred out of respect.
- 69.179.31.17 - Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 23:16:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Am looking for information on the village of Inlauf. Might anyone have any photos or details? Would appreciate it.
- 216.251.169.154 - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 01:37:03 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sharon: Is that the same as regular cabbage rolls only made with beet leafs? Are they as good as regular cabbage rolls?
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, September 10, 2004 at 02:00:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wish everyone a happy weekend...To all our Floridian friends & relations-we all wish you well and that the next storm jus stops in its tracks and disappears...GOD BLESS..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 17:44:40 (UTC)

Trix:
I echo Paul's greetings and prayer for all Floridian friends. It's a beautiful, fall day at Waukenabo. Grandson Mitchell and I mowed our 4+ acre lawn - looks beautiful~

Enjoy the day. Lets chat tomorrow night.
- 216.251.169.130 - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 21:32:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Ditto wishes to Florida. Hotter here near the Twin Cities. Off to the Black Hills in the morning...never been. We'll be back on Wed. Researched more Petschauer relatives...there sure were a lot of them born in Guttenberg, Iowa before settling in Minnesota. Have a great weekend everyone.
- 69.179.29.51 - Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 22:50:59 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well. Lovely fall-like weather here in KC. Not such great weather in the path of Ivan.
Trix, sorry I didn't answer your email. Got busy.
- 64.218.109.69 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 00:54:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Just back from the Poconos near Hawley. It was a beautiful weekend. Sat outside last night in front of nice fire. Cool enough out but not too cool.

Nancy, I see that you are making progress. Glad to hear about the certificate for Ferdinand.

Florida is getting banged around like a punching bag. One, two, three in a row. According to the Weather Channel, it should quiet done after this. It will take a long time for Florida to get on its feet.

- 205.188.116.213 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 01:53:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, someone asked me if anyone had done a spreadsheet for the Resettlement Records. If my memory is correct, wasn't your cousin working on something like that? Do you know if he gave up on it, finished it, or still is working on it?
- 205.188.116.130 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 01:55:19 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
We had a wonderful time and beautiful weather at the Gottscheer Country Club picnic in Walden, NY today. Lots of friends and relatives.
- 205.188.116.142 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 02:41:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elfriede: Did you see Lorraine & Frank? I thought I was going up with them,but I had my Grand daughter up from Florida with her two children-they came up to escape hurricane Ivan.Glad the picnic was a success.Frank will tell me all about it tomorrow.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 02:56:44 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Paul,
Yes, I spoke to Lorraine and she told me that she had asked you to join them. It would have been nice to finally get to meet you. We met Lorraine and Frank a few years ago in Florida and see them at different gatherings either in Florida or in New York.
- 64.12.116.205 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 03:28:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elfriede:Next trip,I hope..My stomach was on the bum when they asked.We had been out together and I was not in good shape, but then when my Grand daughter came up, that was that..Have a nice week Ellie...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 04:08:32 (UTC)

Tom Stalzer:
Nancy - Email me on Ferdinand Spreitzer. I think this is my Uncle Fred too. The butcher shop was on Metropolitan Avenue?
he married Johanna STALZER, not Sterbenz. She was my aunt.
email:tstalzer@ix.netcom.com
- 192.193.210.34 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 13:07:05 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Yes Franz. In fact easier to make. You only need to boil the leaves for a minute, enough to make them fold easier. I make a creamy white dill sauce over top of them. Quite a different kind of dish to bring for a pot luck.
- 199.243.152.226 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 21:32:16 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Thanks Sharon: My wife is going to try that. Over the years she has complained about cabbage getting harder and harder. Harder to shred for coleslaw, and sometimes almost impossible to roll in cabbage rolls even after steaming well.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 21:48:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Sharon. How about the total recipe. Sounds nummy.
- 209.240.245.155 - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 23:16:53 (UTC)

paul B.:
Does anyone know Gus Sterbenz from glendale? He was a butcher too.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 03:01:24 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth how goes it. I have not heard from you in a long time. How did you like the hockey games. I know you can not be too happy that your country got knocked of so early,
but you must be happy that your favourite player did so well for Canada and won the mvp award.Well deserved I must say.
Trix belated congatulations again on your award good to see a Gottscheer being rewarded for their hard work and efforts . Ridy how is your city handling the world cup victory. Thanks for the welcome postcard re: Florida but I think I will pass the invite all that swirling makes me dizzy. Paul how is the kitchen coming along?
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 02:22:47 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Funny you should mention that Franz, I was rooting for Canada since Lemieux was captain. I can't say enough about the guy (as I have in the past), he is such a class act and I hate to think this may be the last time we see him play depending on what happens to the NHL. We have minor league hockey nearby in Wheeling, West Virginia (about an hour away). Guess we'll be going there! Also my son Tommy is in Freshman hockey this year, first practice is Sunday.
- 170.201.180.33 - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 15:01:17 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth
You are one classy fan who admires individual players rather than just jump on the band wagon like most of us.
And of course you are right, Mario sets a good example for the younger players. Glad you will still have some hockey to watch . A few of the Canucks have found other places to play so I guess they didn't hold out much hope for a settlement.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 16:05:03 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone, Came back from the Black Hills yesterday due to bad weather and it was no fun driving home either. We had one day of nice weather on Monday so took in Mount Rushmore, Devils Tower and Spearfish Canyon on that day. Drove through several storms with the worst being in southern Mn with flash flooding and all. I was one big knot when we finally made it home. My husband has family in Florida and just spoke with them. They are well but preparing for the worst of the three storms which should make land by Thursday morning. Tom, you are right, Johanna's name was Stalzer (just went and looked at the death certificate again.) I'll email you later today. Welcome back Jim. My first LDS session is tomorrow....I'll let you know how it goes. Trix, I'm attempting to make your studel on Saturday. I don't know which worries me more...LDS films or baking your strudel. Take care all.
- 69.179.11.226 - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 19:07:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Franz: My first impulse is to say "Don't Ask!" I don.t know about other parts of the world, but here where we live, it is like pulling teeth to get someone to do business with..Called several that friends recommended-noone calls back-not even to say, sorry, but I am too busy...But we do have someone now who comes highly recommended.He is in the process of making the counter top-and if all goes well, we should be all finished in a week or so...HOPEFULLY....Then I am going to take a rest and go away for a few days...Also HOPEFULLY......Thanks for asking franz---have a good week....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 20:44:37 (UTC)

Nancy:
Tom Stalzer...I'm afraid your email address didn't work. Please feel free to email me at snancy@centurytel.net to chat about the Spreitzer entry.
- 69.179.10.125 - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:10:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Let me be the first to wish ypu all a very pleasant weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 19:36:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
P.S. Don't start it out like I just did with a mistake on a simple word like the word "you"!!!! Mamma Mia!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 19:40:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
I'll second that. Paul...don't feel bad...I think I mispelled Mississippi during one of my first entries here....very embarrased (spelling).......see?
- 69.179.31.131 - Friday, September 17, 2004 at 21:55:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Nancy..I am going back to school-starting with Kidergarten-did I spell that right?? Have great day Nancy-having a gloomy day here, after a heavy rain fall...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 17:27:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
A pretty nice day here with a breeze. Just ran out to get a pastry brush for my strudel. Spent the morning with all of the left sides of the LDS film I'm working on. Really accomplished a lot today which makes me very happy but alas, my vacation is over and it's back to work on Monday. Next vacation is May 2005....Gottschee tour!!! Have a great day.
- 69.179.22.225 - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 19:47:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks for keeping us updated Nancy. Can't wait to hear the results of your first try for a Strudel. Be sure and save some for Elaine and brag a little. By the way, she is a beautiful woman. Have a good, good visit and let me know what you learned.
- 209.240.237.146 - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 22:57:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix, the strudel looks presentable but I won't know how it taste until tomorrow....I made it for Elaine's visit. I'll let you know how it goes.
- 69.179.22.225 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 01:32:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Let me guess - it will be super delicious! I know it! I feel it! I'll be waiting.
- 209.240.237.146 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 01:52:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Sunday, and happy strudel to you all. You are driving me nuts---now I want my strudel!!!!!!My sister-in-law Emma Kren made the best--I am willing to bet tnat she is the Strudel Queen in Heaven now...Enjoy yours Nancy, and if you decide to go into the strudel business, I will be your first customer......
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 17:46:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Thinking food again. My paternal grandmother Maria Plattner Stalzer was born in Süd-Tirol (South Tirol) but worked in Vienna when she met my grandmother and then moved to Tschermoschnitz. She was a well known and respected Köchin (cook). I remember eating a very smooth, ischy looking sauce (made from Spinach) over mashed potatoes. Nummy. Does anyone know how to make that sauce? It would have to be been strained through something as it truly was smooth and almost thick.

Put your thinking caps on and I say a profound Danke.
- 209.240.245.95 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 18:25:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Just so that there is no confusion - my grandmother lived in Wien when she met my GRANDFATHER. Dah! Sorry!
- 209.240.245.95 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 18:26:29 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Everyone. Have just returned from the reunion with my cousin Elaine Kraker. It was so good to catch up. We were able to identify many pictures and took a few of our own. The strudel was a success! Perhaps just a little too sweet but the pastry was superb even if I say so myself. Thanks for the recipe Trix. I wish you could have made the trip as well. Perhaps I can visit Elaine before the snow flies. It was all of my Gottscheer "cousins" who made today possible...........Thank You!!!!!!!

- 69.179.0.85 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 23:47:36 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message. Want to watch Emmys. Trix, where will the Labor Day convention be next year? Will convention ever come to Missouri?
Bleib gesund.
- 4.244.57.229 - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 23:56:16 (UTC)

Nancy:
Speaking of food...again...Does anyone else make Schmorgen? I'm not sure of the spelling but it is made with a very thick batter in a frying pan. When it's fairly set on one side, it's turned over and then cut in the pan with two knives until it's kind of cubed. We ate it a lot during lent when I was growing up and I make it every now and then..........................Yummy!!!
- 69.179.0.85 - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 00:24:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Nancy, it is called Kaiserschmarren. I make it quite often and we all love it.

Nancy, the next time you make a Strudel be sure to use a tart apple i.e. Haroldsons; Green Granny Apple or Raeburn, probably my favorite. If still to sweet just the sugar back to 1 3/4 cup but with the above apples the 2 cups should do it. CONGRATULATIONS! Am proud of you.
- 209.240.237.145 - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 00:44:04 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Only a week late answering your question about the spreadsheet. I'm pretty sure Pete Yonke has that, BUT he lives in Pensacola,FL,and Ivan hit them. Their house was pretty much spared, but he has no power except for his generator. Will ask him when things get back to normal in Florida. Might be a little while.
- 4.244.135.12 - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 01:15:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I stayed home tonight, but got hung up on the Emmy Awards too...Have a good week everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 05:19:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Just checking in on the messages. It is a little past 9:30 pm and the messages about food have made my stomach start to rumble. All of it sounds great. The Kaiserschmarren especially so.
- 205.188.117.8 - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 01:38:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi. Just checking in too. I did not make the Kaiserschmarren yet but just finished a big bowl of Hungarian Goulasch. Our kids and grandkids love it too.

My Strudel at the recent democratic fundraising dinner was another huge success at the auction part of the event. This year the platter (2 Strudel) brought $275.00 (up from %235.00 from last year). YIPPEE!! It was a fun, fun time.
- 209.240.237.139 - Friday, September 24, 2004 at 03:09:32 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix: Way to go! thats a lot of money for 2 strudels but I'm sure they were worth it. We will have to compare our Hungarian Goulasch receipe. My cousin from Austria had his wife make us a batch while they were here visiting this summer, it was very good but different than my mom's. I like trying all different versions. Jim, you are right, reading the messages about food makes me hungry, especially for our native dishes.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, September 24, 2004 at 22:44:01 (UTC)

Nancy:
I just emailed my sister to let her know the real name of the Lenten food we grew up on is "Kaiserschmarren." I have a question one of you may be able to answer. I'm researching the death films at my local LDS center. My question is this....Will females be listed by their maiden name, married name, or both? The films are not arriving in order therefore, my search is rather limited. Any advice? OH!!! Have a great weekend everyone...I'm going out for ice cream.
- 69.179.2.72 - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 00:36:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone.Let us all pray that Jean fizzes out and leaves all the in path areas alone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 00:39:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Just got word that Jean will hit tonite-one of my grand-kids called to say they sent the kids back up north and are putting up the last of the hurricane shutters.I know that there are people all over the world living in worst conditions on a daily basis-but i would not want to live in Florida under any circumstances....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 15:35:21 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: I agree Paul, Florida wouldn't be my favorite place to be these days. Hope all your family members are ok and Jeanne somehow misses land. They have been through enough already!
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 19:29:23 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone...slow night...praying for all of our friends affected by Jeanne.
- 69.179.20.105 - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 01:11:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
My heart goes out to the Haitians who've been hit hard by Jeanne. Please...let's keep them in our prayers as well. Is there anyone out there who has access to the Tschernembl birth files? Also...any idea where Johann Brinskelle and Agnes Hutter were married? They lived in Kletsch #1 but I can't seem to find their marriage information in the Stockendorf marriage book. Thanks!
- 69.179.32.103 - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 00:12:07 (UTC)

dMargaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Sorry that Florida was hit again by hurricane Jeanne. My Stalzer cousins are safe. Just talked to them. Don't know about Jonkes in Pensacola.
- 4.244.192.45 - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 01:04:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Spoke to Lorraine and frank Jaklitsch in Boynton Beach-they are OK except for some water on the roads in their development...Can't contact the grandkids in Port St. Lucie yet...ill try again tomorrow...Pray is all we can do for the moment.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 01:26:24 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Had a very successful and enjoyable Tea with the Gottscheer Ladies in Kitchener today. They brought many of their old Handarbeiten - needlework - from Gottschee, done by themselves and their mothers and grandmothers. Some pieces were well over a hundred years old. My daughter called it a veritable Gottscheer Antiques Road Show. We photographed all the items they brought, everyone had a chance to admire everyone else's treasures, and everyone was able to take their items back home with them. In addition, we were all able to enjoy a lovely afternoon with old friends, and we all got a chance to practice our Gottscheer dialect. A wonderful and productive afternoon.
- 64.229.222.183 - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 01:34:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy: There is an Agnes Hutter in my family tree. She was born November 23, 1808 in plösch #2 LDS film 1416529 section 1013 page 145 right. Would she be related? I was sure I had seen a Brinskelle too but can't seem to see that name on my papers tonight but I do have them a little out of order. As Stokendorf is not far from Tschermoschnitz who knows! I will keep looking.
Paul, I am keeping your Grandkids in my thoughts as well as all the victims of these latest storms.

- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 03:19:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Franz.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 14:40:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy: I found the Brinskelle I remembered seeing. There was a Maria Brinskelle born October, 1773 in Kletsch, Stokendorf, another is Peter Brinskelle born January, 1750 in Kletsch, Stokendorf and is the son of Peter Brinskelle and Agnes Grill. They had a son Johann Brinskelle born July 28,1783 in Kletsch #1. There is also a Agnes Brinskelle, born Novemember 1786 in Kletsch #1, Stokendorf and a Maria Brinskelle born February, 1791 in Kletsch #1 and thats about all I could find. The names in our family trees often intertwine with many others that we don't have much information on so it is always interesting to learn more.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 00:32:09 (UTC)

Nancy:
Franz, thanks so much for looking. My grandmother was born in 1877 so I don't think the Maria Brinskelle(s) you've found could be her mother. The Agnes Hutter and Johann Brinskelle are interesting though and I'll have to look at the dates a little more. Sorry for not getting back to you right away but it's been crazy at work and I've been putting in overtime. Thanks again Franz!
- 69.179.12.168 - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 21:23:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
P.S. the reason I'm intreested in the Tscernembl birth records is: my grandfather Mathias Tscherne is listed in the Stockendorf marriage book as having come from there. I did find him in the Stockendorf death films...He died on May 24, 1901 at the age of 66 which puts his bithdate in 1835. His mother was Agnes Tscherne and father unknown.
- 69.179.12.168 - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 21:47:07 (UTC)

Nancy:
P.S.S......make that great grandfather!
- 69.179.12.168 - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 22:19:18 (UTC)

Trix:
An interesting posting in the Gottscheer Bulletin Board:
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dot zwerin dotmom@optonline.net
Anxious to communicate with anyone familiar with names...CURL,CUREL,COREL,ZURL,STIMEC,STIMATZ..Would like to hear from you...
warwick, ny USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 21:58:39 (UTC)
- 216.251.169.5 - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 01:43:56 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Friday Everyone! The temp has gone from around 64 degrees at 5 a.m. this morning to 39 at supper time! Thanks Franz and all of the others in the country to our north for the cold air mass....just kidding....hot bath time.
- 69.179.29.127 - Friday, October 01, 2004 at 22:03:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Friday everyone-went up to 72 here.....I loved it the best this morning-sunny=68==and a nice easy breeze.If I could find a place that has that every day, I woild pack up and go there....Wish you all a very pleasant weekend,,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, October 01, 2004 at 23:25:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
WOW! Did I get lucky today at the LDS center!!!! Found the birth records for my grandmother & siblings, some of whom I didn't know ever exsisted. There was even a brother who immigrated to Brooklyn...his name was Marhias Tscherne (Cerne) He was born in Lachina #7 June 30, 1868. I'm going to search for more on him tonight. Jim, I'll email you with more details and I'd like to send you and Kate the copies from the family book as well for your help in translation. Have a great evening everyone.
- 69.179.11.212 - Saturday, October 02, 2004 at 21:53:02 (UTC)

Nancy:
Good day everyone. Franz...I've had time to go through my dicoveries from the LDS center and compare them with what I already have. My great grandmother was Maria Brinskelle born in 1835 in Kletch #1. I'm wondering if the Brinskelles you've mentioned could have been her parents and granparents!!! I haven't yet gone back that far but I don't doubt the connection. Thanks so much for the tip and I'll keep you posted on progress. Does anyone out there read Latin besides the stuff we learned in school. There are some words in the family book which I can't find in the word list or translate on my own. Thanks to all. I'll log on later when my housecleaning in done.
- 69.179.20.61 - Sunday, October 03, 2004 at 16:58:15 (UTC)

Nancy:
Where is everyone? The following Latin phrases are what I'd appreciate help in translating. "An communicaverit in Pascha?" "An Sciat rudimenta fidei?" and "Mores" I think that this last one..."Adnotatio" is additional notes or addendum. I'd appreciate anyone taking a crack at these. Trix, How are you? Please say hello to Elaine for me.
- 69.179.20.61 - Sunday, October 03, 2004 at 23:55:43 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello Nancy: I'm here but sorry no Latin help from this guy. Hope someone is online soon that will be able to help.
Paul: Glad to hear your weather is still good. We are still having summer here but its supposed to change next week, cooler and wetter: Sounds like typical Vancouver weather. But this fall/winter we get the bad weather but no hockey!Boo Hoo!
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 00:41:30 (UTC)

Tr:
Nancy - in response to your posting.
She is right on Adnotatio.

Fidem means faith. Rudimentary faith?

Sorry. My Latin sources bailed on this one. I'd tell her to ask a priest, but I've found they don't know any more.

There are on-line translating services (even for Latin) I don't know how to find them except to try "translations".
- 209.240.245.145 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 01:02:36 (UTC)

Trix:
Should have been Trix. Sorry. Another busy, busy week. I am doing fine Nancy. Thanks.
- 209.240.245.145 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 01:03:22 (UTC)

Jim H:
Nancy, could not figure those out. Kate Baum from the GHGA might know. I will send them along.
- 205.188.117.24 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 01:08:25 (UTC)

Jim H:
Was in Hawley this weekend. Saw Eddie and Steffi Rabuse as well as Hilde and Elfie Hogler (Ridy's sisters) and other members of the Hogler clan. Very nice people!!! My Mom was there as well. She enjoyed connecting with her roots and getting some good rib sticking food at the same time.
- 205.188.116.83 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 01:10:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nancy
Without knowing the context in which those phrases are found, the first one appears to question if the individual will be (ready?) to have communion at Easter; the second questions if the individual will know the rudiments of the faith; Mores refers to customs or morals; and the last is annotation......
according to my husband
- 64.229.227.242 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 01:32:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
WHEW!!!!! I will bow out of this one...Have a good week everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 17:40:41 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks to all for taking a crack at the Latin. Ridy, I think you are right as these phrases were found in the Family Book and follow the Latin that I was able to translate...(confirmatus, primo confessus, primo commun; matrimon; and mortuus.) Thanks for the input and I'll have my parish priest take a look to condirm....no pun intended.
- 69.179.23.76 - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 21:49:22 (UTC)

Helmuth:
What talent, to be able to translate Latin! Just goes to show what great resources we have here. My compliments to your husband Ridy.

Illegitimus non carborundum, that's all the Latin I know (old joke).

A very happy autumn to everyone. Getting cold here in the 'burgh and elsewhere too, I'm sure. Franz I am suffering withdrawl from NHL hockey.

- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 12:47:49 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Helmuth, there is a lot of talent on this chatroom. On top of no hockey we here have lost one of our baseball teams too. I have enjoyed watching our BC Lions, they have done very well this football season and we are always hopeful they could win another Grey Cup. But hockey will still be very much missed. Just finishing up the last of my garden cleanup before the rainy season is upon us. Hope everyone has a good week.

Ridy, good move by Florida .
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 15:13:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I guess I am the dumbest guy on the PZ...I told my Latin teacher in High School to pretend I was not in the class room-that I would keep busy doing other home work in the back of the room.Since I was changing from an academic course to a business course(which everyone said that I should not do) she agreed to ignore me....While I still rue the day,what ever shall be will be, and here I am with little (very little) of Knowledge in Latin.My brother became a Doctor-he needed Latin..Me, I wanted to be a big business tycoon!!!Oy Vey-here I am a not so rich retired business man..Oh well, i will do better in my next life. Anybody want an autographed copy of my life history??Ha-Ha..
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 15:56:42 (UTC)

Ridy:
Your latin expletive made me laugh out loud! I used to work for a former British Air Force chap, who told me that it was the unofficial motto of the British Air Force! For those of you who don't know what it stands for - and I apologize in advance for the language - but the translation is: "Don't let the bastards get you down!"
- 64.229.227.242 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 16:32:44 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Ridy, you are right on the money except I was told "wear you down" (wear=abrasive=carborundum).

Paul, your comment takes me down memory lane too...in high school at Christ the King in Middle Village, Latin was one of three languages you could take, the other two being French and Spanish. I took Spanish and don't remember much of it. Some of the guys who took Latin had the priesthood in mind. My son is now taking German in 5th grade.

Franz I sympathize, sports teams come and go these days with the only factor in decisions being $$$ of course. Look at the Jets...the Nordiques...the Whalers.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 16:57:12 (UTC)

Helmuth:
See, that double post thing happens to everyone.
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 17:06:51 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone, I'm glad to see that the Latin thing has stirred things up a bit. Vatican II happened when I was in elementary school so Latin was dropped from our lessons. I wasn't reintoduced to it until college in medical terminology. By the way........my nephew plays professional hockey in Germany...2nd year...Austria prior to that and college prior to that. I've never gone over there to watch him play but his mom has several times. She's very proud of him.
- 69.179.11.193 - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 22:10:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Friiiiiiday!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 09, 2004 at 00:33:21 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
And a very Happy Friday to you too Paul. Rainy here in Coquitlam. Going to go to the racetrack tomorrow, hopefully to win some money and not lose it. Usually go a few times a year but this will be the first time this season and its just about over for the year so thought it would be a good way to spend a rainy Saturday. Wish me luck!
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, October 09, 2004 at 02:19:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wish you a load of luck and agood time franz.Bona Fortuna!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 09, 2004 at 18:15:22 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi,

Does anyone know any Gerdins? The original family owned a blacksmith shop in the city of Gottschee?
- 24.195.41.69 - Saturday, October 09, 2004 at 19:24:03 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Paul: Well I did have a good time so thanks for your good wishes Paul. Nice lunch paid for by my son,was up $52 at one point but by the time I played the last race I just had what I came with. But hey, thats a good day, 4 hours of entertainment on their money, and a free lunch. Still raining here.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 00:37:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Glad to hear you had a good time Franz.It must be Sons treat week-my youngest took us out today for our wedding anniversary-and and my middle son is taking us out on Monday which is our wedding date....But it will be pay back day on Tues., Columbus day, for his Birthday...Stay well and have a great balance of the weekend Franz.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 01:46:13 (UTC)

Nancy:
Good eve all. Happy Anniversary Paul. How long have you been married? Hello Franz. A beautiful autumn day here and the trees really starting to pop. Spent the morning at the LDS center researching Stockendorf films...the further back I go, the harder it is to read the old script. One film was so out of focus that it just can't be read. I did find entries in the Family Books for my great great grandparents...Johann Brinskelle and Agnes Hutter living in Kletsch #1.......Jim, I'm going to copy them Sunday and get them in the mail to you. Good night everyone and God bless.
- 69.179.28.171 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 02:12:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
Happy Thanksgiving weekend, and Happy Thanksgiving Day tomorrow to all the Canadians who visit this chat room!
- 64.229.179.183 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 15:45:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes-Happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian friends-relax and enjoy.Is turkey on the menu???
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 18:55:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy-I can not tell a lie----62 years-boy am I tired!!!!! Thanks for your good wishes.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 18:57:35 (UTC)

Nancy:
Paul...that is wonderful! Just returned from the post office. have sent both Jim and Kate copies of the Family Book pages found yesterday. I think my headache has finally gone away.
- 69.179.32.16 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 20:43:29 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hey Paul, congratulations. Thats a very long time. Where did a good Italian boy meet a Gottscheerish girl in 1942? (if my math is right)actually you got married in 1942 so could be much earlier that you met. And yes its Turkey time here.
Nancy, your research seems to be really paying off. Don't forget to let me know if you find that we are related from somewhere back in the 1800's.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 21:53:13 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
THANK YOU GUYS...ISN'T IT AMAZING, WHAT WITH ALL THE RESEARCH AND GENEOLOGY WE FIND RELATIONS WE NEVER KNEW WE HAD? WHEN I GOT MY PC AND STARTED TO RESEARCH ALL THE GOTTSCHEER SITES, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW ENLIGHTEND AND PLEASED I WAS...JUST LOVE IT....YES FRANZ, IT IS A VERY LONG TIME, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE MANY MORE ANNIVERSERY DINNERS WITH OUR KIDS..WE MET IN GLENDALE, N.Y. IN AUGUST OF 1940, AND STARTED KEEPING COMPANY IN SEPT---SEPT THE 7TH AT 10:00 P.M. TO BE EXACT!!!!! WE CELEBRATE THAT ANNIVERSARY TOO....AINT LIFE GREAT???
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 23:36:54 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Early message. No time later. Hope everyone is well. Trix, got your forward this week.Sorry I didn't reply. Fall is coming to MO. Trees turning. Chilly nights. Warm days. Bleib gesund.
- 64.218.109.135 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 23:48:26 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi All......FRANZ-the entry found yesterday is of a Johann Brinskelle in Kletsch #1 born 1803. I believe this was my great great grandfather. He marrried Agnes Hutter although I don't know where she was born. They had my great grandmother Maria who married Mathias Tscherne in Stockendorf. Are you connected to the Brinskelles of Kletsch #1? If so, Hello cousin Franz! PAUL...I'm impressed that you even noted the time! Hello TRIX...hope all is well.
- 69.179.32.16 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 23:48:38 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Happy Thanksgiving to all our Canadian friends. Wish you well -- good health and prosperity. Bleib gesund.
- 64.218.109.135 - Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 23:51:13 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, seems to me all is quiet tonight. Of course I'm late it is 12 midnight here.
Happy thanksgiving to all. We had our turkey here on Sunday night, very delicious, pumpkin pie and all.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, October 11, 2004 at 07:04:41 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hi, i'm trying to find more info on my gottscheer relatives. my mom was born maria zurl (now maria roessler) in morobitz. her father was franz zurl also morobitz. her mom was maria kump; her mother was magdelena stampfl both of inlauf. i believe franz had a sister named rosalia (tante rosie) who was married to a vet named dr. ganselmayer. franz was killed in an accident around 1942. maria, his wife, died in nj in 1973. maria and her six children (edeltraud, magdelena, maria, herbert, helmuth, gerlinde) came to the usa in the mid 1950s and settled in glendale. i grew up in ridgewood where my dad, guenter roessler, operated a bakery/pastery shop on fresh pond road. any info is welcomed.
- 4.243.164.79 - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 00:07:06 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dear William,
I have a quick family file for you. It is pulled together from the GHGA marriage records and the 1941 Resettlement records. My email address is DocH301454@aol.com. I grew up on Gates between Irving and Knickerbocker and still go into the old neighborhood from time to time. Karl Ehmer's and the Forest Avenue Pork Store are still there as is the clubhouse.
- 205.188.116.133 - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 01:24:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Will be coming west in a week or so to visit a friend, enjoy SF, and taste some fruit of the vine.
- 205.188.116.207 - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 01:25:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
William, Welcome to the Plauderzimmer.I am certain that you will be helped in your search by the wonderful people here. I knew a John Kump in Glendale. But i am curious-did your Dad operate the bakery just past the Fresh Pond Station?
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 03:38:55 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
William, Welcome to the Plauderzimmer. I went to St. Pancras School with your aunt, Gerlinde, but have lost contact with her. My maiden name is Stiene and we now live in Walden, NY.
- 64.12.116.70 - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 17:50:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
William: the name of the bakery I was thinking of was Cushman. Was that the one that your father operated?
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 01:04:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good Morning all,Has anyone heard from " Trix " lately hope all is O.K.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 12:53:02 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Franz. Trix is swamped with Campaign 2004. You know politics are in my blood. I am hoping for the Kerry/Edward win, of course.

Raining here. We need it. To all of you, have a good day. Dank Franz.
- 209.240.245.169 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 17:42:20 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi TRIX, are you watching the debate tonight? I'm having several nurses over tonight to watch (Democrat of course.) I've also bought the movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" to watch if there's time. Hi FRANZ...you never answered my question regarding the Kletsch #1 connection....or were you just having some fun? Have a great night everyone.
- 69.179.32.222 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 21:24:23 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Nancy: No, its true, part of your geneology names and places are the same as on mine. I just haven't had time to go back and confirm the dates but from what I remember, they match. My cousin in Graz, who put something on the PZ through my sister as she doesn't have a computer over there, has been contacted by someone from Texas who is helping someone else with their geneology and saw the PZ at the time my sister posted the message and sure enough they(the person he is helping) are related. So don't be too surprised when I get back to you confirming the dates re: Kletsch #1 connection. 9/11 is a real eye-opener and you will be glad you watched it.
This is a very helpful site and we hope Helmuth knows that we all appreciate his work.
Hi Trix: Keep up the good work, we will excuse you for not being on here too much till the Election is over.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 23:15:12 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Nancy:
I have a Kletsch #4 connection 1870 name Koenig/Kikel
- 205.188.116.201 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 00:00:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to you all. Yes, Trix, along with her twin grandchildren, Megan and Mitchell, age 11, will be watching the debate. Mitchell, particularly is very interested in the campaign.

Must tell you it is so great to read about all the connections that are being made among the Gottscheers. And yes, Helmut we ALL appreciate YOU and your generosity.

- 209.240.237.174 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 00:42:37 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Being a Republican, I am most likely going to vote for George Bush, however, just like the last election, I wish we had a better choice of individuals. Kerry is much too liberal with me --- speaks a good game but will have trouble paying the bills. George should have stayed out of Iraq and concentrated on Afghanistan and El Qaeda. Maybe I will move to Canada --- :) .
- 205.188.116.83 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 02:24:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sorry, Trix, apologies to you and the Minnesota Democratic party. I would have voted for Humphrey in the olden days but was too young. In fact, I distributed pamphlets for him.
- 205.188.116.142 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 02:25:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nancy and Trix -
Don't hold the fact that Jim is a confessed Republican against him. According to my sisters he is a very nice, intelligent, and witty gentleman - a good man. Just keep in mind that none of us are perfect!
- 64.229.179.183 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 15:44:28 (UTC)

MariaT:
Jim H. I guess you and I are the only Republicans.
- 152.163.100.195 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 19:23:01 (UTC)

Benny:
Elfride Stonitsch, Do you happen to know my Tante Erna Zagar from Glendale, NY. Her husband Fred and her work up in the Gottscheer Hall. She also spends alot of time up in the Gottscheer country Club? Time to time, I like to log on here in the Plauderzimmer and brings back memories from where I grew up.( Glendale and Ridgewood ) and my Gottscheer herritage. I hope everyone has a great and safe weekend!
- 205.188.116.69 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 19:49:04 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone. Hi CHRISTINE...I'll have to look at Kletsch#4 next time I'm at the LDS center. Hi "cousin" FRANZ...what a small world it is! JIM...aren't voicing our opinions part of the freedoms we enjoy? I too worked for a presidential campaign before I was old enough to vote...sadly, Nixon was re-elected anyway. My husband has threatened to move to Canada if Bush makes it another 4 years. Any property for sale up your way cousin Franz?
- 69.179.23.171 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 20:58:56 (UTC)

Nancy:
TRIX...I meant to tell you how impressed I am with your grandchildren being interested in the election. My children, both of voting age, tell me that may not vote as they don't care for either candidate. What is a mother to do? It's as though these kids were raised by someone other than me!
- 69.179.23.171 - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 21:17:39 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Benny, Sorry I don't recall Erna Zagar but I did spend a lot to time in the 50's and 60's in Gottscheer Hall. Until I was 14, I went to Gottscheer Hall to sing with the Brooklyn Knaben and Madchen Chore (Boys and Girls Choir). I can't really sing though. In the early 60's my husband and I spent most Saturday nights dancing at Gottscheer Hall or at one of the many other places in Ridgewood like the Kuhstahl and Schwaben Hall.
- 152.163.100.69 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 00:04:53 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Trix and Nancy, Glad to know there are more Gottscheers on the Democratic side.
- 152.163.100.68 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 00:06:50 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Doesn't matter what side you are on, as long as you vote and exercise the rights Gottscheers and others came to America for. Having said that though, I have some Kerry bumper stickers, buttons, and balloons I wish I could give you.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 00:24:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks for the very nice sharing and exchanges. I am enjoying it and I am particularly pleased to know that are other Gottscheers who are Democrats. Up until now I felt pretty much alone. My first DFL (Democratic - Farmer - Labor Party in Minnesota and NO, NOT Damn Fool Liberals as someone called us) caucus was in 1960. I have been involved in the local, county, distric and state ever since and was a Hubert H. Humphrey delegate to the 1972 National Democratic convention in Miami Beach. What a GREAT time we had. Between my husband Clint, daughter Maria and I we have represented the State at 5 national democratic conventions.
My activities now are on the county level. No fun going further without my honey but enjoy my local work very much.
- 216.251.169.39 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 00:47:57 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Trix, thank you for your participation over the years. I wish more people would get involved, and most of all, that more people would get out and vote. Every year I hope the turnout will be better. Maybe this year.
- 170.201.180.33 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 13:00:55 (UTC)

Jim H:
Dear Ridy,
Thank you for the good notice. I guess I will have to vote Chicago style ----- over and over and over again to make up for the preponderance of Democrats amongst the online Gottscheers. I think I can safely add John Herbst to the Republican side. At least, I don't think he is a Democrat.
- 205.188.117.21 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 16:40:34 (UTC)

Marilu:
Well, I guess I better put my two cents worth in. I'm a Republican too, Jim.
- 198.81.26.10 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 19:17:59 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Friday to all. HELMUTH...EXACTLY!...It's all about excersising our rights and I'd love the Kerry bumper stickers but that would mean I'd have to give up my Paul Wellstone ones. JIM...may I forward your emails regarding the Family Book pages to Kate? Hot soup and sandwiches waiting in the kitchen...yes, it's that kind of day.
- 69.179.26.179 - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 22:01:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Friday and wish you all (whatever your politics) a very pleasant weekend...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 03:49:03 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
And a happy Friday to you too Paul, and to all the PZers. Rainy day here in Coquitlam, but not too cold yet. Happy weekend to you cousin Nancy. Even though its not cold here your hot soup and sandwiches sounded good.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 05:26:13 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Franz...Kind of crummy here on Long Island in N.Y. Too...Sun in-sun out-cloudy-clear-and showers predicted tonite...But, rain or shine, we go out to eat tonite anyway....Been cooking up a storm preparing for my sons birthday tomorrow-but tonite we let Bella Napoli cook for us!!Anybody want to come along???
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 19:00:20 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy: I have Agnes Hutter, born November 23, 1808 Plesch #2,Gottschee, Krain. LDS film 1416529 Section 1013 Page 145 Right.Tschermoschnitz marriage records.Check it out!
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 19:31:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well the nice thing about elections here in Canada is that we don't drag them out for over a year. They call them and we only have to hear it for about 2 months, and we have them voted in. every time I turn on CNN news its always about the election in the US. I think the states takes too long to elect someone in. If you want to talk about free trade here is one for the government. We will show the states about health care and they can show our Canada Post how to deliever mail faster. HA HA.
- 206.172.22.240 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 20:01:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy: I'm slow at this but: on the Brinskelle side I have Johann born July 1783 in Kletsch #1, had a daughter Maria born February 1791 in Kletsch #1, also had a daughter Agnes born November, 1786 in the same place, Kletsch #1
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 22:51:46 (UTC)

Nancy:
Good evening to all. CHRISTINE with ties to Kletsch #4...took a (very) casual look at your ancestors...it's nice to know our ancestors were neighbors. Cousin FRANZ...thanks for the info...my ancestor Agnes Hutter appears to have been born Nov 24, 1811 in Wertschitz (Vercic.) I did find the Peter Brinskeele you refered to earlier born in 1777 in Kletsch #1 and his wife Maria Spreitzer born Nov 25, 1782 but I don't know where. They were married on Feb 6, 1797. Their son Johann Brinskelle was born May 15, 1803. Johann is the one who married Agnes Hutter and we (Jim and Kate) think they were married in Semitsch. They had a daughter Maria Brinskelle born Sept 13, 1835 who married Mathias Tscherne. They had a daughter Johanna born 1876...she was my grandma! Less than 6 months ago, I didn't know any of this let alone that Gottschee ever exsisted. For this new found knowledge, I am forever grateful to all of the PZers especially Jim, Kate, and Trix. If any of you would ever like to email me directly, my edress is snancy@centurytel.net TA!
- 69.179.32.93 - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 23:08:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz. Could you please call Albin Petschauer of your beautiful city and ask what his house number in Mitterdorf was? I am thinking he may be related to Nancy too. Talked to him on the phone today on a different matter and he does not have e-mail.

Maybe you could ask him the name of his parents and from where and even grandparents.

Appreciate it und vielen, vielen Dank. Brrrrr at Waukenabo. in the 30's F. Fire feels very, very good. I am baking Strudel.
- 209.240.237.151 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 01:14:24 (UTC)

John B. Gladitsch:
Hi William Roessler, Your father's bakery was the best in town we were sad when it closed. My father's grade school teacher was the vetenarian's wife Mrs.Ganselmayer circa 1920.
- 165.247.47.13 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 01:37:29 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix: Will do and let you know ASAP. Save me some of your strudel :)
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 01:48:07 (UTC)

John B. Gladitsch:
William: There is a photo where you can see the teacher Rosie Zurl Ganselmayer in my father's 1917 class picture. Go to the google search engine and type Gottschee, it is in the web page called Images of Gottschee and there you will see the photo.
- 165.247.47.13 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 01:51:54 (UTC)

Nancy:
Me too Trix. Goodnight all.
- 69.179.32.93 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 01:52:29 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Maybe I'll stir things up a bit here, but I really feel like I should state this. There is a nasty word through generations of people called TRADITION. It is great in some ways, but I think there is a problem with it in other areas. With many families a person votes on a party because his parents/grandparents etc votes that way. Why can't this individual think for himself and make up his own mind? And there are many out there who have no idea on any of the issues and vote strictly upon what their family has done in previous years. It's like a society who can't think for themselves so they have to do what was done before, right or wrong. It's the same with religion. A lot of (not all, don't get me wrong here) Jewish, Catholic and other sectors are what they are because their parents etc are this. There are so many people who have never read the bible but put their destiny in the arms of what their past relatives believed in. Can we not think and make decisions for ourselves? Just a thought. Any comments?
- 69.242.161.158 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 14:28:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Gregg. Excellent comment. Can't wait for a good debate on the issue.
- 216.251.169.159 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 16:14:21 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia: Talked to Albin and to his younger sister Sophie. Their house # was 22 and when they built the new one it was #34. Albie's mother and father were Elizabeth Mauser and Rudolf Petschauer. Elizabeth's parents were Josefa Krische and Franz Mauser, they both died in 1918. Rudolf's parents were Agnes (neither one of them knew Agnes' maiden name) and Andreas Petschauer. Agnes died in 1934 and Andreas died in 1918. Spelling may not be totally correct but hope this helps you Sophia.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 17:20:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Gregg & a Good Sunday to you and all our PZ Friends...You Know, I was of the impression that the young people of today put tradition on the back burner. I try to not get into this kind of conversation, but it struck me that I should think just the opposite about the younger generation and traditions...In this particular area I have seen very little if any tradition in families..Even in my Gottscheer family, and I always feel that it is because there are so few of us old folks still around. So I started to think of all the families I know of all religions, customs, etc., and guess what---none of the young are following family traditions. The frequent coplaint is, and I quote: "AAAH, these crazy kids, they all got their own stupid ideas." I stick up for the kids in many instances, but i keep quiet and try to , as my father used to say---Manga you own bussiness...It's a whole new world out there......Oy!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 18:25:50 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Gregg, good comments. However I would submit to you that tradition in politics is very, very different from tradition in religion. The tradition of faith is mostly carried down through the generations, and it makes sense why this is so. If a person is brought up as a child in Catholic teaching (for instance), naturally he or she will have a deep-rooted "grounding" in the Catholic traditions and will pass those traditions on to their children. It's less important to "think for yourself" in matters of faith, precisely because matters of faith do not always lend themselves well to rational arguments (duh, Helmuth, that's why they call it FAITH). Doesn't mean you don't question your religious leaders at times, just means your religious traditions run deeper than your difference of opinion.

I don't really agree with your assessment that there are huge numbers of people that vote a certain way based only on tradition. Many Dems voted for Reagan and many Repubs for Clinton, for instance. By and large I think people examine the issues and vote for the candidate that most closely fit their own values. Many times they will vote for the same party because their values have not changed since the last election!

What DOES trouble me is this, and feel free to chime in. The divisions in the US are very, very deep at this time in history. I saw an anecdote the other day about a couple planning their wedding ceremony, who did not invite certain family members solely because of their ideology (they were on the wrong side). People's political bumper stickers and yard signs are removed or defaced by someone who doesn't agree. Does this make any sense to anyone? When did we become a nation of such screamers and intolerants of anyone else's opinion, and oh by the way both sides are equally guilty.

Until we come to the realization that you CAN have dialog and negotiation between differing viewpoints, and that it's acutally a good thing to compromise sometimes, if it's a means to a peaceful end...until then we will have the same ridiculous screaming you hear on AM radio and cable news.

Stepping off the soapbox!
- 24.3.227.190 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 19:04:56 (UTC)

:
Gotta get back into the kitchen to make sure our belated Thanksgiving dinner bubbles along without burning, and without getting into the discussion right now (my kids expect everything to make it to the table, including our traditional Apfel Strudel) but I would like to throw another question into the pot: Is George Bush running for re-election as President or is he running for Pope? I think never before (or maybe my memory is frail and getting more frail) has the dictum "give unto Cesar the things that are Cesar's and to God the things that are God's" been more blurred. Comments?
- 64.229.179.183 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 20:13:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry - forgot me name on that - a Senior moment!
- 64.229.179.183 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 20:13:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
Helmuth....but what I'm hearing from your soapbox is so good! I admit that there are still some individuals who vote along party lines but....I, for one, have great faith in the critical thinking skills of our young people. My kids were always told by me that I didn't care where they stood on an issue as long as they educated themsevles on the issue and were prepared to stand behind their decision. Apathy was a greater fear. I've also noticed that, lately anyway, one is seen as unpatriotic if ones views are slightly left or right of the majority. This just smacks of intorlerance...don't you think? I couln't put up an antiwar sign in my small town without it, and possibly me, being defaced and labeled unpatriotic. When my kids told me they may not vote because they don't like either of the candidates, I reminded them of their rights and responsibilities but not whom to vote for. They know where I stand on issues and candidates because I feel comfortable discussing this with them. Great topic Gregg...thanks for bringing it out for dicussion.
- 69.179.16.113 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 20:23:29 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix and Franz...I've gone back a few generations in search of a Petschauer connection in Mitterdorf #22 or #34 but have yet to find any. That's not to say that a connection dosen't exsist...perhaps Jim knows. Besides #10, I have Petschauers in #s 2 and 9 as well. Trix...I'm on my way to meet Becky and Roman....Elaine's kids!
- 69.179.16.113 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 20:32:45 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Excellent feedback from everybody. Sometimes that's what I need, is to hear another's opinion to balance myself. The other day my coworker asked his roomate who she was voting for, and she replied John Kerry, of course. When asked why she said because she always voted Democrat. She was then asked why she was Democrat and she replied, "I have no idea", and called her mom to find out the answer!! True story. Anyway thanks to all who had input on this interesting topic.
- 69.242.161.158 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 21:18:51 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Helmuth,
I very much agree that religion is a whole different story when it comes to tradition. Thanks for your input as well. A few years ago a group of people who call themselves "Jews For Jesus" came to my church and spoke. Now this was the first time I ever really listened to a Jewish person profess Jesus as Lord. What was most interesting about them as a group is that they spoke about this TRADITION, and how generations of their family taught them the Jewish tradition, and until they thought and educated themselves they never knew any different. Of course they were banned from their family forever after they professed their faith in Jesus, but this is where I first started thinking about the whole "tradition" thing. My own family, devout Catholics, used to tell me as a kid that I had done too many bad things and there was no way I'd ever go to heaven. Going by tradition and what was passed down to me, I believed this until I was an adult and smart enough to read the bible for myself and learn different. I guess what I'm saying is some people don't educate themselves and believe whatever their parents did, although the general consensus on the PZ is that today many young people are educating themselves and learning on their own. Okay, I'm done. I really did enjoy the input.
- 69.242.161.158 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 21:31:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
AMEN..This PZ is the greatest thing since God made little green apples....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 21:49:45 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Franz, the other grandparent's name was Agnes Mausser. Nancy, no link at this point to Albin Petschauer.
- 64.12.116.69 - Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 23:46:10 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Leaving an early message. Hope all are well and enjoying lovely fall weather. Does anyone know which city will host the treffan next year?
- 64.218.109.132 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 00:14:27 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Looks like I missed a lot of good discussion last week. I'd better "tune in" more often. Busy tonight, however.
My Yonke and Stalzer cousins in Florida missed the severe
damage from the hurricanes. Thank God for that.
- 64.218.109.132 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 00:20:31 (UTC)

Nancy:
Didn't I hear that the next Treffan is in Toronto? Thank you Jim for looking at the Albin Petschauer question. Early night here...have a great week everyone.
- 69.179.16.113 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 00:21:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, the 2005 Treffen will be in Toronto.
- 209.240.245.83 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 01:40:17 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Ridy, and all our northern neighbors, belated happy thanksgiving! I agree, some people don't "get" this, but it is not unpatriotic to question your leaders. I think Bush thinks he has a mandate in the US for his conservative agenda. He does not have such a mandate, but that does not stop him.

Gregg, I'm sure there are some voters that are like you describe (only voting the way their parents did) but I hope there are not many of them. I'm optimistic that most young people vote as they do only after having examined the issues and candidates on their own. My first presidential election was Ford-Carter and I remember I took my decision VERY seriously.

Here's what I'm getting at. Trix when you went as a delegate to the conventions, I don't think you ever heard the likes of what you hear today, in terms of name-calling and the divisive tactics. Imagine Goldwater calling Johnson a "bozo" as Bush Sr. did Clinton. Same with policy. Eisenhower was one of the biggest spenders, but what was he spending on? The infrastructure, dams, bridges and especially the Interstate Highway system, talk about money well spent! Can you imagine what he would be called today, probably a socialist.

All the decorum and manners seems to have gone out of politics. You are on one side or the other, there's no compromise, and since you don't agree with my side I'm going to attack you viciously because the polls show it will help my chances of getting elected. Depressing isn't it?

Thanks for your feedback everyone.
- 24.3.227.190 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 02:18:58 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Helmuth, it is depressing and quite disgusting. The reason so little gets done in Washington is because people have forgotten who they represent. Their main focus should be what is best for the vast majority. This idea of not being able to disagree without being disagreeable is just a bunch of crap. Reasonable people should know how and when to compromise. You can't have it my way only or no way at all.

When I first got interested in politics, I was told that the Democrats represent the working people and the Republicans represent the rich people. That took care of it for me. I bought it and have been a democrat ever since. I think if I ever voted Republican my poor father would turn over in his grave. I have also learned a long time ago that I probably would never agree 100% with either party. That is ok as long as I agree with the majority of what they represent. I don't even agree myself at times.

Our children, on the other hand, study the issues carefully and I am always tickled when they tell me they are going to vote democratic.
- 209.240.245.83 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 02:34:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Interesting folks-well said..Have a great week everyone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 03:16:29 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, just like at the end of hockey season, we will have to find something else to talk about in two weeks.
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 16:42:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thanks to you Helmuth, that as friends we can all vent our spleen...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:00:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
AND BY THE WAY FOLKS---HOW ABOUT POSTING YOUR FAVORITE RECEIPE.. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IN AWHILE...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 21:38:52 (UTC)

Nancy:
I have a favorite recipe that I make when entertaining. It isn't German but remember...I'm half French too. It's ARTICHOKE DIP. 1 14oz can of arichokes drained and chopped, 1 cup of freshly grated parmasan cheese, 1 cup real mayonaise, 1/2 cup finely chopped green onion, healthy dash garlic powder, healthy dash Beau Mont seasoning. Mix well, bake at 350 for 20-30 minutes. I usually double the recipe. Have a baguette sliced thin and place around the dip. My family loves this recipe!
- 69.179.8.113 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 00:03:18 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
WAY TO GO NANCY. THANK YOU....ARTICHOKES IN ANY FASHION IS GOOD FOR ME-ILOVE THEM.. TRY THEM FRIED SICILIAN STYLE LIKE MY MOM & GRANDMA USED TO DO...CUT OFF THE POINTY END AND CUT THE ARTICHOKE IN HALF-LAY THEM FLAT SIDE DOWN AND SLICE AGAIN PIECES THICK ENOUGH TO HANDLE.pUT ALL THE SLICES IN A BOWL OF WATER WITH SQUEEZED LEMON SO THEY DON'T TURN BLACK...sQUEEZE THEM OUT & SALT AND FLOUR THE SLICES AND THEN BREAD THEM, AND FRY..DON'T FORGET TO SCRAPE OFF THE LITTLE BEARD BEFORE YOU START TO FLOUR THEM..As trix always says:NUMMY!!"
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 19:03:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Of course you do know what I mean?Salt & flour-dip them in egg batter and bread them.. My wife Adie corrected me-what would i do without her? This old head of mine doesn't work too good at times..Have a lot of senior moments or interlectual pause if you prefer....mama mia!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 20:02:53 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Paul...it sounds great! I also like artichokes on veggie pizza with garlic sauce instead of red. I'll try your recipe out on my hubby! Thanks for the tip.
- 69.179.27.230 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 21:00:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy-don't tell him you got that receipe from until he says he likes it. HAHHAHA...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 22:18:05 (UTC)

Nancy:
Okay Paul...I won't. He usually rolls his eyes when I tell him it's a new recipe so I don't tell him anymore. He'll eat pretty much whatever I put in front of him. He had better as he isn't much of a cook. He does do a mean grill in the summer though!
- 69.179.27.230 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 23:12:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way, that was an intellectual moment-goes to show that even mammalooks like me, who can't spell, can get into a cooking conversation. P.S. : You can fry cauliflower the same way-with or without bread crumbs.I like them without.
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 14:18:59 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Paul, I love fried califlower too and zuchinni! Hello cousin Franz...haven't heard from you lately. I need the help of my fellow Gottscheers once again. It was discovered in the Family Book that my grandmother's sister and entire family moved from Lachina #1 to Wels, Austria (or a village just outside of Wels.) Does anyone know Gaottscheers in Austria? They (Franz and Veronika Tscherne and 9 children) moved in the early 1900s which is why I've never found any death records on any of them and why they weren't in the resettlement records. I'm sure there must be cousins still there and I'd love to get in touch. Any ideas from anyone. Jim had emailed a Dr Harald Tscherne but it wasn't deliverable. I've emailed a Rudolf Tscherne but have had no response yet. I'd also like to hear from the Spreitzers in New York. Hello Trix! Keeping busy with the campaign? Hello Ridy and Christine...it was good to hear from you over the weekend.
- 69.179.13.165 - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 21:25:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy-For what it's worth-I knew an eddie Tscherne who was a butcher-had his own shop in Jamaica, N.Y. Nice people, him and his wife, whose name escapes me at the moment.We will be out with my Gottscheer family tomorrow nite-I will ask them some questions about Tscherne-I know they have married daughters living here on tne Island in N.Y. Maybe you will find more cousins..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 21:54:04 (UTC)

Nancy:
Paul, Thanks...that would be great. My grandmother also had a brother named Mathias Tscherne who immigrated to the US in the early 1900s. He was born in the 1870s and settled in Brooklyn I believe. I've never been able to track him at the Ellis Island site or through census information as the ages just didn't work. I know that he married here in the states. Have a great time tomorrow night and I can't wait to hear the results.
- 69.179.13.165 - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 22:32:33 (UTC)

Midwest Franz:
Haven't visited PZ for some time, had two minutes to spare.Jim and Marilu, I am all the way with you....Republican. Was a Dem long ago. I guess I feel like Ahnold....all you Dems keep
laughing.
- 68.73.251.110 - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 23:38:55 (UTC)

Marilu:
Midwest Franz Wonderful to hear from you. When are you coming to Colorado????
- 198.81.26.48 - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 01:55:29 (UTC)

Trix:
Help: Does anyone know where we can obtain a copy of the passenger lists that traveled to America after the war? I am particularly interested in the list aboard the USNS Gen. Muir which departed Bremerhafen, Germany for NY on April 16, 1952. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Danke!!!
- 209.240.237.131 - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 22:10:01 (UTC)

Trix:
HELP. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the Gottscheers who left Semic in December of 1941 for Untersteiermark. This was of the resettlement. Danke.
- 209.240.237.131 - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 22:10:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Trix...would these Gottscheers be listed in the resettlement records? If so, I'd be happy to look them up.
- 69.179.22.227 - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 22:58:32 (UTC)

Nancy:
Also Trix...I know that the USNS Gen Muir came into New York but where were the persons processed? I can't seem to find a ship by that name at the Ellis Island site.
- 69.179.22.227 - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 23:11:26 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Trix,
I think Nancy is right about finding your Semic info in the resettlement records. However, digging through the hundreds of pages looking for individuals residing at Semic at that time could be quite time consuming. About a month ago I started converting the resettlement book into Excel for the GHGA. When complete it will be very easy for you to do a search and find this information in seconds. I don't expect this to be done until at least next summer, however.
- 69.242.161.158 - Friday, October 22, 2004 at 01:42:17 (UTC)

Tris:
Thanks Gregg. This sounds very encouraging. So, I am assuming what will give me the desired information, namely the names of the Gottscheers who departed Semic on any particular day in December 1941, right? And what will make that list possible are the first numbers that appear before each name in the Umsiedlungs Liste, right? Good - can't wait to see it and we all THANK YOU for your dedication and hard work.
- 209.240.237.131 - Friday, October 22, 2004 at 02:43:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Nancy - by the time we arrived in NY Ellis Island was closed. We landed at Pier 56, I think. I think Ellis Island only goes through 1924 or so. I came in 1952. Someone has to have a list of the 1,000 or so immigrants on that boat, don't you think? But who??????
- 209.240.237.131 - Friday, October 22, 2004 at 02:44:52 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix:
Sometimes you can get the information from the Ellis Island
web jjust check archives. I got my grandfather's ship
manifest ship history and ship picture from this site. I don't have the web handy will have to look it up. Also try
Philladelphia . Also Immigration. Good Luck
- 198.81.26.16 - Friday, October 22, 2004 at 05:18:56 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Trix...the info I have on Ellis Island gives a closing date of the late 50s but perhaps it ran as something other than a receiving station. I'll have another go at the archives...I'll use Stalzer as a search name. Indeed...the going would be difficult if there were no names to use as a referance in searching the resettlement records if I had no names to go by...we eagerly await the Excel vresion but if you have particular names, please let me know and the offer still stnads. PAUL...how was your dinner lastnight?
- 69.179.29.218 - Friday, October 22, 2004 at 22:06:02 (UTC)

Nancy:
TRIX.........EMAIL ME RIGHT AWAY......FOUND YOUR PASSENGER LIST FOR THE GSNS GENERAL MUIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 69.179.29.218 - Friday, October 22, 2004 at 23:46:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix...here I thought I'd made such a great discovery only to find your name as a submitter to the site but...there is a passenger list and it names you and your parents and the others on board. Let me know if this is of any use to you at all. I'll continue searching other sites.
- 69.179.29.218 - Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 00:01:33 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
The Ellis Island website has a wonderful write up on their history. They were open until 1954 but after 1924 the only people who went through there were ones with paperwork or other problems. For the most part there were no immigrants after 1924 that went there. They opened in 1892. In June 1897 there was a fire that destroyed many of the earliest Ellis Island records, along with older immigration records (pre-Ellis Island) dating back as far as 1855. Not all records were destroyed per the website, but many of them.
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 01:17:32 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Trix, or anyone who knows:
You mentioned using the first set of numbers in the resettlement records for the exact dates of when that individual left. Can you elaborate in any detail more about all three sets of numbers in the book, how they work, and how to use them? If it's too lengthy you can email me at gregglickteig@comast.net
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 02:06:44 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Sorry, that email address should be gregglickteig@comcast.net
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 02:11:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy: The dinner was fine& it was great getting together with my Gottscheer family-they have been out of state for awhile...About Tscherne; I'm not going to be of much help..Eddie Tscherne was married to Sophie(and i only know that her sirname started with a W..Their two daughters are Barbara and Arlene.Both married, living in N.Y.,, One in Queens and the other somewhere on the Island here..The only thing i can offer is that since the girls attended school somewhere in Glendale and or Ridgewood-could have even been Richmond Hill--maybe someone might remember or know these two ladies who , of course, had the surname Tscherne..Some of our PZ friends attended school in these areas, and may remember them...Sorru nancy..Anybody Know these girls??? Good weekend to you Nancy, and to all our chatters..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 03:45:38 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
A happy Sunday to all of you who. Have a wonderful time at the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer tonight. I am off to my German Radio program on WKTX-Cortland Cleveland station. My partner is a Donauschwabe and we interchange many stories which are also similar to our Gottscheer people. The listeners are intrigued with all of the history we have. I will try to sign on again tonight when I get home.

Have a great day.
- 64.12.117.6 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 17:19:45 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Nancy

We have not talked, but I see you found a passenger list for a ship that Trix needed. Where can I get information such as this, my family came on the SS Sturgis on March 15, 1952. Would appreciate your reply. Thanks again

my e-mail is hbrunhilde@aol.com have a nice day

- 64.12.116.73 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 17:21:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Folks-Happy Sunday TO YOU ALL.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 17:59:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Anyone who has been e-mailing-please use the following address until further notice: satch7@optonline.net Thank You.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 20:30:11 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello All. a busy weekend here with weddings, birthday parties, baby showers...OY! Hilde...I've emailed details of a quick search for the SS Sturgis. Was able to find one biographical story of a girl who left Bremerhafen on the Sturgis bound for Canada. I'll keep looking. It helps also to know whcih shipping line it was..(i.e. White Star, ect...) I think the easiest way to find a passenger list would be from the shipping line itself. Trix? any idea of the shipping line for the USNS Gen Muir? Paul...I'm glad to hear you had a nice time with your Gottscheer friends. Thanks for asking about the Tschernes. Well...do any of our east coast Gottscheers recall going to school with any Tschernes? Anybody know a Tscherne now? Cousin Franz...where are you? Talk to all later.
- 69.179.2.18 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 21:32:39 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy: I am here but not too much help to anyone. I do have a cousin Traude Tscherne who lives in Graz. She does not have a computer but my sister is trying to set her up with the use of another cousin's computer. She is very much interested in geneology but I don't know what all she knows. She has found some relatives from her one and only post (done by my sister) to the PZ. The person is Gina Martin from Texas (her mother was a Moshchner) and there is a link to the Schobers but I have not confirmed anything yet and this might not lead to the Tscherne family. Will keep you updated.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 22:22:57 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Cousin Franz...just hearing from you is good!
- 69.179.2.18 - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 23:04:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Franz-Nice to see you posting again.Hope all is well with you. Just thought I'd tell you that the kitchen is all done now, except for the floor...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 25, 2004 at 01:14:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello Paul: Glad to hear your kitchen is almost finished. I have been busy doing my fall garden clean-up. Its not that I have that much to do its just that it takes me longer each year. Hope all the PZers are well and your weather is good.
Trix: My daughter-in-law is back home today from your lovely State. She was pretty tired from her 5 days so we haven't seen her and her pictures yet. She didn't get too much time off from the Conference to sightsee but she did take the shuttle to the "Mall of America" so will be interesting to hear about that and see her photos of it. Well, just a few more days till voting day, then you can rest.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, October 25, 2004 at 04:22:14 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Franz...I was at a wedding Saturday night at the Hilton Hotel in Minneapolis just near the Mall of America. My daughter works at the mall...she is an administrative assistant for the Thomas Kincaid Gallery. I wish I had known that your daughter was in town. Although I live in Wisconsin, I still commute to St Paul everyday for work and I'm only about 35 miles from the Mall. Have a nice evening.
- 69.179.18.27 - Monday, October 25, 2004 at 22:00:00 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
My wife and I went to Minneapolis for our honeymoon in 1995, specifically to go to the Mall of America. We didn't have a lot to go anywhere fancy, and we both love to shop. It was sooo much fun! We had a really great time there. Is the Lego section still there? I was amazed at what could be built with silly legos.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, October 25, 2004 at 23:05:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Yes Gregg...Lego Land is still there. It's funny but I don't care for the Mall much...it's too big. I do go about once-a-year...usually to Suncoast where you can get just about any movie ever made. My husband likes the old black and white films.
- 69.179.18.27 - Monday, October 25, 2004 at 23:13:38 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy and Greg: Do you know what Lego means in Latin? It means "I assemble" and I know this because I just read about it in the weekend Globe and Mail. The company, which has been around for about 72 years, got the name from using the first 2 letters of the Danish words Leg Godt which means "play well". This without knowing that the word lego in Latin means "I assemble" . Neat coincidence eh! Not many toys stay around that long. I am still amazed myself at what can be built with them.
Nancy, I didn't know you were that close to Minneapolis or you and Daphne could have had a cup of coffee together. Must ask her what hotel her Conference was in (thats also where she stayed) she did tell us but I forgot.
- 70.68.172.48 - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 00:36:55 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Nancy, I am the same way about indoor malls anymore. Seems I never go, but instead hit the big free-standing stores or strip malls for my shopping. I don't know why, I really don't mind crowds. Many of the malls in KC are closing or not doing well. It must be a trend, but I don't see malls being a big part of the future here in KC.
- 69.242.161.158 - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 00:59:03 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Franz, it goes to show us that we can learn anything on the PZ...your story is very interesting!
- 69.242.161.158 - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 01:01:33 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi All...the malls aren't doing well around this part of the U.S. but the Mall of America never seems to be affected by the trends elsewhere. I never knew what "Lego" stood for in any language...just knew that my kids loved playing with them and the larger ones for toddlers were a great idea. I still have them around for visitors and, hopefully, my own grandchildren someday.
- 69.179.30.224 - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 20:49:51 (UTC)

Maria :
Hello Fellow Republicans and Democrats I'm sure you all know that we have an unlimited supply of oil in this country that has never been drilled. We have been trying to get oil from Alaska for years, There also is oil in Pennsylvania which could create more jobs for us. We do not need oil from other countries but the enviro's have been blocking this need. Did you know that whenever you flip a cigarette out your car you are polluting? If you don't take care of that leak in your car you are polluting. Lets create more jobs and stop taxing the middle class you do know if a Democrat gets in you will be taxed for all the goodies you want. Let's vote on November 2. I'm sure our Social Security will be safe.
- 152.163.101.7 - Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 17:07:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Frank - thank you for the beautiful pictures of the lunar eclipse last evening. Unfortuntely it was too overcast in Toronto to see anything, and your photos were the next best thing. Today we have brilliant sunshine!
- 64.229.179.183 - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 15:53:44 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy: Glad you enjoyed the pictures, they weren't as good as seeing the real thing. It was spectacular. Such a clear night we were able to see every second of it. Today we have rain, rain and more rain.
- 70.68.172.48 - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 19:52:55 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Maria, I must respond to your posting. As a former petroleum geologist for Chevron (now Chevron/Texaco), I feel I'm qualified to say that there is NOT an unlimited supply of accessible oil or gas in the US - not even a small fraction of our current consumption! As a college lecturer in environmental, health and safety studies, I also feel qualified to say that the petroleum production industry in the US has successfully exempted itself from the vast majority of US EPA regulations that apply to other industries. In reality, it's simply not economical to develop the dwindling US reserves when you can get it much cheaper from Russia, Norway, Venezuela, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, etc. Just take our Strategic Petroleum Reserve as an example - most of the oil in it is foreign! That's a pure, market-driven reality that has nothing to do with "enviros". On the other hand, development of alternative energy sources could create hundreds of thousands of new jobs in the US, either directly or indirectly.
I encourage all to vote this Tuesday, based on solid factual information.
- 141.110.70.54 - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 21:32:06 (UTC)

Nancy:
BRAVO HERB!!!!!!!
- 69.179.5.235 - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 22:50:18 (UTC)

Bernie Schemitsch:
I agree. Alternative energy is the best choice for the future of the USA.
- 24.117.250.240 - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 14:42:25 (UTC)

Heinrich:
Bernie, you are so right and we can do it too. If we can put a man on the moon, then we can certainly come up with a renewable source of energy to power our car and trucks! Think of how much less polution we would have....and we would not be held hostage by the oil producing countries!
- 209.42.192.2 - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 16:58:42 (UTC)

Nancy:
Wishing all a happy Friday before I lose power. We're in the middle of a terrible storm. Satelite is already out so here we sit with the radio on for weather updates. Tornados....hail....goodnight for now.
- 69.179.26.49 - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 23:53:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Weekend everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 01:39:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: A happy weekend to you to.
Nancy: Makes me feel like a wimp for complaining about our rain.
Happy Halloween everyone:)

- 70.68.172.48 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 03:01:24 (UTC)

Nancy:
Good Morning...winds so strong lastnight that it peeled the paint off of the porch railings. The roof looks intact so we're happy about that. Bye for now.
- 69.179.21.131 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 13:18:15 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nancy, we're grateful that you had no further damage, that was some terrible weather.
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 18:14:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy: I am sure that all the PZers wish you well, as do I..God Bless..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 18:28:52 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks to you all for the good wishes. I shouldn't complain as Florida was hit so hard that lastnights weather dosen't come close. Busy day at the LDS center and visiting my mother. Tommorow it's campaign work and hoping to be home in time for the trick or treaters.
- 69.179.21.131 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 22:29:49 (UTC)

Nancy:
For all of us....don't forgot to set your clocks back tonight. HURRAH!!! I've just figured out how to send attachments on my emails!!! Good night to you all.
- 69.179.21.131 - Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 01:50:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Halloween-Boooooooooo!!!!Nice day on Long Island today. Thekids have great weather for trick & treating...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 20:27:28 (UTC)

Nancy:
Made it back from campign headquarters just in time for our first trick-or-treater....a little girl in a pink tutu, pink jacket....even a pink pumpkin! BOOOO! yourself Paul!
- 69.179.2.40 - Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 22:52:37 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello everyone: We had a nice safe Halloween here in BC. As it was on a Sunday there were no wild incidences, no deaths or injuries reported. And no rain made it safer for the youngsters, none hit by cars as often happens around here on dark, rainy Halloweens. We had 52 trick or treaters, down from other years. They came in large groups so that meant many less trips to the front door. A lot less fireworks and again, no injuries reported, so all in all a good one.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, November 01, 2004 at 22:38:18 (UTC)

Maria:
Thank you Herb, Bernie and Heinrich for responding I knew I would get some thinkers! Herb, I should not have used the word UNLIMITED. We in the US have utilized 15 to 20% of the land for oil there is about another 85% left out there. I strongly support other alternatives for energy. We should not be held hostage by the oil producing countries!!! that was my point we must work together here! Congratulations President Bush! Let's unite and stand together fellow Americans.
- 64.12.116.130 - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 19:05:01 (UTC)

Nancy:
I can only hope that the very tight...too close to call...election results will send a message to President Bush that he has made many mistakes which he needs to make right. If he would only listen to the American people and consider the imput of our past allies, he COULD become a wonderful leader. The entire world is watching.
- 69.179.11.28 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 01:17:28 (UTC)

regina in kamloops:
Very disappointing to see on the news that Bush is in again! I had really counted on Kerry getting in. What do some of the PZ people have to say about it all.
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 06:23:45 (UTC)

regina in kamloops:
About oil? Well has anyone ever thought about all the pollution that airplanes and the ships that plow the oceans and the upper air? We lived right under the flight path of the Vancouver airport and we had plum trees and the plums every year had a coating of oily grunge on them and had to use soap to wash them.
Australia was working on a solar/battery car what a great idea and it worked but I haven't heard anymore about it.
Have the big oil companys and car manufacturers bought them out? I think it is possible to use solar power what with computers and technology of today it is only the car manufacturers and oil companys that do not want the change.
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 06:31:05 (UTC)

regina in kamloops:
Hi, Franz, so you got some pictures of the eclipse!
Yes the weather was great we watched it all and I also took some pictures but I haven't developed the film yet, I hope they turn out. Our grandchildren where very excited to see the eclipse. It sure was neat to watch it happen. I'm glad to hear that you also watched it and took pictures I don't know of anyone else that did.
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 06:40:41 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nancy, Bush has already declared that the people have given him a "mandate" - I guess he doesn't believe the election was that close. I don't entertain much hope of uniting the people or gaining a better standing in the world community. Regina, at least when his father went to war, he was honest about the motive (oil), we never got that honesty from W. I told my kids to pray for the President for wisdom to really lead the country.

I do have one question for Republicans. When things go badly now, who are they going to blame? Clinton's gone, Daschle's gone. In 2008 the Republicans will probably have been in charge of ALL branches of government for 8 years. I hope the people can judge at that point whether these policies were really beneficial.

All that said though, I'm glad the election is over. Regina we had a terrific view of the eclipse right on our back porch, the sky was crystal clear. An awesome sight that kinda humbles you down here on earth.
- 170.201.180.33 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 13:32:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth, Nancy: I never talk politics, anywhere with anyone-my own family included-being in business most of my life taught me that. Especially the Restaurant and Bar business!!!But I did want to pick up on what you told your kids Helmuth, because that is exactly what I told my kids-and i just hope that there is enough praying around the world to help us all out of this mess the wholw world is in.. 'nough said.....Stay well everybody, and God Bless us all......
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 20:50:42 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, I know what you mean about being selective about where you talk politics. I appreciate that when you are in the restaurant business the best policy is to not alienate your customers!

- 24.3.227.190 - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 22:14:53 (UTC)

Nancy:
I feel as though a period of mourning is in order. It may take some time for me to work through this process. I'm with you Helmuth...I don't forsee any lightbulbs going off in George's head...$$$$$maybe.....no lightbulbs.
- 69.179.14.132 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 00:25:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
Cousin Franz of Vancouver...perhaps you could send pictures of the eclipse. It might improve my mood to look to the heavens for inspiration. It was a rainy night that night and we couldn't see anything. Thanks
- 69.179.14.132 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 00:45:11 (UTC)

Jim H:
Time for me to weigh in. Being an East Coast Republican, I am a fiscal conservative and relatively moderate on other issues. I am not so much happy with a Bush win but glad that Kerry did not win. I have no wish to have more of my hard earned money spent on programs that I have no control over. I grew up in a poor neighborhood in Brooklyn and made it out. I don't think I should be taxed to death because Kerry and the Democrats have a social agenda. Kerry also vacillated on major issues. We could certainly use a more middle of the road approach to Europe but I would never consider France, Germany, or the majority of the UN as friends or reliable advisors. Remember that the UN refuses to classify the carnage of the Sudan as genocide even though many more thousands are dying than in Iraq.

Jumping back to comments by Herb Mausser, what do you think the effects of conservation of energy sources could be on the current problem? The site of heavy weight SUVs and Hummers just drives me crazy when I see them on the road. What a waste of gas in most parts of the country!!! As a country, we use too many things without thought and throw away more than we should.
- 152.163.100.202 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 03:35:51 (UTC)

Regina:
Hi, I guess we all go back to our usual lives and carry on, and hope that things don't get worse, and worse.
Yes, I really think we in north america need to look at
alternative fuels for our vehicles, the pollution is just
not going away!
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 07:55:04 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy do not dispair all things must come to an end. And will.
Hope you got to see the pictures of the moon ok.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 08:24:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Feels like the windy city here today.....Happy Friiiiiday everyone......
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 18:45:36 (UTC)

Nancy:
Yes...happy friday everyone. Thanks for the emails Ridy, Paul, and Franz. I enjoyed them all very much. It's been a long week and I am really looking forward to getting on with the my research. I can't tell you how much you have all come to mean to me. I received some very interesting emails today from "marjan penca" in response to the query I've submitted to the GHGA website. They contain copies of some great looking documents (in German) which I've forwarded to Jim and Kate. Would anyone else like to take a crack at translating them? Let me know and Id be happy to forward you copies.
- 69.179.7.126 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 22:48:43 (UTC)

:
For many of us who are Christians, the Bible tells us to vote, and to elect the person who will stand behind and support God's morals to the best of their ability. If we do this, God's Word tells us that we will be provided for in everything we need. All the major issues - taxes, education, insurance, peace, etc. - no one in history has ever figured it out and no one ever will. But I for one am provided for, perhaps not to my satisfaction, but my idea of what I need or want is irrelevant - my needs are being met. Keep in mind that needs and wants/desires are entirely different. And to what extent each of us are being taken care of varies, depending on His will for each of us. So when me and my family pray for the President, we pray he will be moral and do what is in God's eyes, knowing that HE will take care of the rest, as HE sees fit. How can we as a country ask God to give us all the answers to our problems, like taxes, medical, etc when many Americans don't care to elect someone into office that will obey HIS commands. If I were God, I would laugh at us and not give us anything, so I feel blessed that HE even takes care of us to the extent that HE does.
- 69.242.161.158 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 23:01:19 (UTC)

:
We have it backwards. We are trying to vote someone into office that can solve everything when what we should be doing is voting a biblical, moral Christian into office that will vote and support God's Word on moral issues, and let God work on all the other problems that we have absolutely no idea or power to solve. I voted for George for this reason, because neither of them can possibly solve the issues that they spent millions of dollars trying to convince a nieve country that they could solve.
- 69.242.161.158 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 23:09:32 (UTC)

Nancy:
Jim...just wanted to say that I've noticed some common ground (besides the GHGA.) I too cringe at the size of vehicles more and more people are driving these days...and the fuel they require as well.
- 69.179.7.126 - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 23:31:35 (UTC)

Nancy:
Correction....the email I received is in both German and Slovenian according to Kate. Anyone interested?
- 69.179.7.126 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 00:34:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Nancy - I would love a copy too. Thanks much. Am doing fine just busy.
- 209.240.245.152 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 00:58:22 (UTC)

Agnes Johnston :
Its too bad that some extremely opinionated people (who claim to be Christians and to believe in God) do not have the courage to put their name on their postings!!!!!! Maybe the reason you are provided for is because people have voted in govenments over the years that have provided for you. Some people truly believe they are their brothers keepers and are willing to pay a little more in taxes to provide for those less fortunate and so they vote differently than you, which in my opinion is their right.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 01:57:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Agnes, are you a Gottscheer descendant? Ditto for the mysterious unnamed poster. If not, how did you happen on our somewhat lively discussion? Often times, we are tamer and have discussions about various foods and customs.
- 64.12.116.69 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 02:40:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
In reference to the unnamed poster I agree as i am sure that all our regulars on the PZ do...Now, where are those new receipes???
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 16:24:45 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Jim, Nancy and all - your comments on vehicles and fuel consumption sparked an idea for another Gottscheer heritage discussion - frugality! How about some stories about how Gottscheers "use up, wear out, make do"? I think my favorite is when my mom uses a stick of butter - she never throws away the paper wrapper until she runs the back of a knife over it to get every last bit! And then she wipes the inside of the baking pan with it, just in case she missed any! I'm very involved in discussions on the "new" concept of "sustainability", but I see more and more that our ancestors have practiced sustainability for centuries.
- 141.110.70.54 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 18:08:58 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh boy Herbert, you really know how to hurt a guy! Just kidding. Talking about the use of butter - I do the same thing and watched my mother do the same thing. Memories - aren't they wonderful.

Yes, a discussion on the frugality of the Gottscheers is in order. I have a file called LIFE IN GOTTSCHEE and sharing on this topic would be perfect to add to my collection. Just think, what a wonderful publication that would be, talking not only about custom and pracices but also using the names of the authors. EVERYONE, lets hear your story or practice or memory about Frugality in Gottschee!!!

Thanks Herbert.
- 209.240.245.143 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 18:19:37 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Frugality - what a marvellous topic, Herb! You're right, of course. Gottscheers have been practicing it forever. My favorite example is how many uses they found for sugar bags after WWII. Let me explain..... When our Gottscheer relatives in Canada and the USA sent parcels to us who were refugees in Europe, they used discarded cotton sugar bags to wrap the parcels, instead of brown paper. Then they used strong, heavy thread to sew the parcels neatly together. To address the parcel they used heavy, black ink. I don't think anything was ever stolen out of these parcels - it would have been too much trouble to open them and sew them shut again. When the parcels arrived in Europe they were carefully opened, so that the fabric would not be damaged, and then the fabric was washed and bleached many times over until the red dye used to mark the sugar bags and the the black ink had been completely removed. Those bags ended up as pillow cases, underwear, aprons, and all the way up to a first communion dress! At a recent Gottscheer Ladies Tea in Kitchener, the owner of such a dress brought it for all of us to admire, and you can see a photo of it on my web page
http://ridy.dyndns.org/public/view_album.php?set_albumName=ladies-tea&page=10
where Gerda Preiditsch is holding up her treasured dress.
(Please note - this web page is still very much a work in progress and it will take me a few more months before it is finished. But I simply couldn't resist telling the story of the sugar bags which morphed into all kinds of usable items at the hands of frugal and artistic Gottscheer ladies.

- 64.229.178.202 - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 18:59:29 (UTC)

Trix:
Dear Cousin Trix,
Frugality! Why, both mine and my wife's family invented the word! It looses a little something in the translation, but my great uncle once told me that when he was a little boy in Gottschee in the very early 1900s, he was polishing his father's shoes for him. In Gottschee shoes were very expensive and most children didn't wear them in the warmer months. So, my great uncle was trying to do a real good job rubbing and polishing his father's shoes - working really hard at it. All of a sudden his father reaches over and whacks him one and says, "Those shoes have to last a long time, don't wear them out!"
Barry
- 209.240.245.143 - Sunday, November 07, 2004 at 02:41:42 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Since my mother never lived in Gottschee, I guess frugality is a genetic trait. Nothing ever went to waste. Stale bread was made to taste like fresh baked by using a little water, some steam, and a low sauce or frying pan. I did not know what fresh cake was until I was older. As an adult, I am not quite as frugal but I still consider many everyday practices as unnecessarily wasteful.
- 205.188.117.5 - Sunday, November 07, 2004 at 05:39:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
How about this one...I remember my Father-in-law sending packages to Family and we all contributed,,Money was always hidden in coffee-and what i thought was a great idea was sending chewing gum with money folded very flat and tight and inserted in the slices of gum...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, November 07, 2004 at 16:18:20 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Everyone. Both of my parents were 1st generation Americans and both lived through the depression. I remember the bread thing as Jim does. I think frugality and conservation is univresal and came out of necessity. My mother still reuses aluminum foil and plastic bags of course. My oldest sister was just speaking of us as children going to St. Matthews on the west side of St Paul...it was a stuggle I'm sure for our parents to pay the tuition but what did my sister remember the most? That she had to wear the same pair of slacks and white blouse to walk the neighborhood each evening. Never mind that our parents had to pay for the uniforms and despite my mother ironing these slacks and blouse each day....my sister remembers this most of all. She appreciates the great education now of course but "clothes are important to teenage girls." I also remember the food as being VERY filling...for instance...kaiserschmarren...did I spell that correctly?
- 69.179.32.118 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 00:28:48 (UTC)

Nancy:
Oops...forgot to ask...anyone know how to order the cookbook by a fellow GHGA member? I don't have the name in front of me but I did try to email a few times but received no respose. Thanks.
- 69.179.32.118 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 00:37:13 (UTC)

Nancy:
RIDY...thanks for the cookbook info. I've just emailed Albert for the ordering information.
- 69.179.32.118 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 01:04:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Nancy. You will be interested in knowing that Clint and I got married at St. Mathews Catholic Church in Sept. of 1958. A month later, I think, it burned to the ground.

Yup, I hear you about the aluminum, the plastic bags and the Kaiserschmarren.

- 216.251.169.12 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 01:27:34 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message. Missed last Sunday. We were attending our grandson's confirmation in Fargo. Very lovely ceremony. Bleib gesund.
- 4.244.192.12 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 01:34:43 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Re: frugality - read last weeks memories. Wasting anything was the worst sin ever, according to my oma and my mother. Oma saw two wars in Europe and my mom lived during the depression. Needless to say, we got many a lesson in thrift. Leaving electric lights burning needlessly got you
in big trouble. Rinse water from the wringer washer was carried out to the flower garden, never left to go down the floor drain. The suds-saver on the new automatic washer was another item that proved helpful to thrify housewives.
Even small amounts of leftovers found their way into new
recipes. Leftover dinner coffee was left on the back of the stove for breakfast. Such memories, but we thought these things were normal. I guess the modern compost pile is part of this frugality. I have one now.
- 4.244.192.12 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 01:45:42 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Re: frugality- My gottschee grandmother saved scraps of fabrics from aprons etc. and made quilts from them old clothing became chrocheted rag rugs scraps of yarn became
afghans, etc. buttons was cut off and saved.As was buckles.
- 198.81.26.76 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 16:41:58 (UTC)

Marilu:
I have saved old buttons since I was first married, because my mother did. And I have my grandma's button jar full of buttons she saved.
- 198.81.26.42 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 17:43:51 (UTC)

Paula Baltich:
Have been reading the Gottscheer Log for some time now. When I learned to crochet in school im Lager Feffernitz, Austria,the only material my mother could give me to make a hankie with a decorative edge was a flour sack, a package had come in. Still have the hankie! Also, my first communion dress was made out of a ladies nightgown, that a most generous cousin from New York had sent to us.
- 170.215.10.42 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 20:04:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello, Paula Baltich!
I had relatives in Lager Feffernitz - my aunt was Anna Gliebe. She lived there until the 1960s because I remember visiting them there in 1963. I still have some of the baskets my uncle, Alois Gliebe, made there, and I brought them all the way back to Toronto. Like you, when I was learning to sew in the Ursulinenkloster in Graz, the only material my mother could give me was one of those sacks, and I made a slip for myself out of it - completely by hand - because the school didn't have any sewing machines at that time. My 'best' dress at the time was made out of housecoat somebody had sent us, which didn't fit anyone. I loved that dress with a passion! Where do you live? My e-mail address is ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.178.202 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 20:26:55 (UTC)

Franz:
I know a thing or two about beeing frugal. However, frugality breeds packrats.
- 68.73.251.110 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 21:13:14 (UTC)

Ridy:
LOLOL! Franz, I know a thing or two about being a packrat! In fact, I'm sure I could write a whole encyclopaedia about being a packrat! My son tells me there is a solution to my problem, and it comes in a small box marked 'matches'.....
- 64.229.178.202 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 21:29:49 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paula Baltich. What a GREAT surprise to see your message. You have much to share so please feel free. We all will enjoy hearing more from you.

Love the CD and now that you pare part of this Gottscheer Plauderzimmer Family maybe I can write about it. Would that be ok with you and Joe?

Enjoy a good day. Congratulations on your deer hunting success. Our son and 2 grandsons just drove in from Iowa and know they are anxious to get hunting. We love venison and French Toast,a specialty of the Wyant household.

- 209.240.245.151 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 22:03:57 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
In my former message on being frugal my grandmother also had
chickens from which the feathers was cleaned and saved, when she had enough she would make pillows and feather beds
from. A wedding gift to my Mother was rwo pillows and a feather bed along with an iron skillet.
- 198.81.26.42 - Monday, November 08, 2004 at 22:07:33 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hey Trix! Were you married in '58 or '68? Your previous entry says 58 but St Matthews burned down in 68. I still have a peice of stain glass. We were all just devastated when that happened. The (not so new anymore) church is just too modern. About a year ago, Father Adrian spoke of a fellow who came to see him privately. This fellow told Father Adrian that he had a friend who had recently passed away. This friend confessed to the fellow that he had started the fire that day in 1968. He had been a teenager at the time but it haunted him always and he asked this friend/fellow to confess for him after his death. Here it was....36 years later and we finally found out the true story. I hope his soul is at peace.
- 69.179.25.132 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 00:56:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Nancy, I guess I was wrong on the year. For us, it was 1958. Isn't that confession something else. WOW!!! Thankss for sharing that.
- 209.240.245.100 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 04:07:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Interesting story Nancy...Remember i told you my Father-In-Law had a friend whose name was Kraker? Otto Kraker in your picture, was he ever in N.Y.?? And I wonder if anyone on the Plauderzimmer Knew the Otto family In glendale, N.Y.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 04:25:58 (UTC)

Maria:
Hello Paula,
I was excited to read that you also lived in Lager Feffernitz. We left in August 1955 for the States. I came across a picture of a procession that the church had do you remember anything? I remember playing up in the mountains and picking raspberries. I also remember the packages that our relatives sent and my mother making pants out of old arm blankets for my brothers.

- 64.12.116.203 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 15:50:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Maria. I, too, was in Lager Feffernitz until 1946 when my parents found employment with Familiar Baumgartner in Altfinkenstein beim Faaker See. Are you acquainted the area? We left for American on April 16, 1952 from Bremerhafen.

From where in Gottschee do you come from? I was born near Tschermoschnitz. Would love to hear from you. You may also write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net.

- 209.240.237.175 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 16:26:27 (UTC)

Paula:
Hello Maria,
We left Lager Feffernitz in November of 1955 and came to Ely on Thanksviving day. The procession , I think, was Christi Himmelfahrt or Fronleichnam. Each Barack Block made a small Chapel with an altar and lots of flowers and Pfarrer Nuspl would bless each one as the procession went by. I have a picture of the choir in the procession as I was part of it.Also picked raspberries as the money we got for them would pay for our schoolbooks.

- 170.215.10.102 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 16:41:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Paul B. Otto Kraker was born in Mitterdorf #16 in 1899 to Mathias Kraker and Aloisia Petschauer. I've found mother and son arriving at Ellis Island in 1902. The family spent some time in Iowa around Guttenberg before settling in St Paul, MN. If Otto ever visited New York as an adult, we'd have to ask my cousin Elaine (also a GHGA member and a friend of Trix) and I can certainly do that. Otto died in 1984. Everyone...a friend at work sent a postcard from Lake Bled...I'm keeping it after the entire dept has seen it. Also...I certainly know times were tough but playing in the mountains and picking berrys seems so wonderful...what a nice memory.
- 69.179.31.144 - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 21:22:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thanks Nancy-no need, but thanks anyway,,Tne dates in your posting tell me that he is not the same Kraker....Have a good evening...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, November 10, 2004 at 01:57:50 (UTC)