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Nancy:
Hello everyone. Per Jim H. suggestion...Does anyone know how I might search for the Tscherne family in the area of Linz...Wels...and Unterholz Austria? My grandmother's sister Veronika and her husband Franc (also a Tscherne) along with thier children moved to one of these places in 1919. I'm pretty sure there has GOT to be living Tschernes still there. Any advice welcome...email me at snancy@centurytel.net Thanks everyone.
- 69.179.29.168 - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 00:52:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nancy. I just typed in Linz, Austria. There are numerous pages, included those that can be translated into English. Also, they include telephone information and e-mail addresses. Good luck.
- 216.251.169.13 - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 01:40:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Friday everyone!! Thanks Trix..I did and left several emails......night all.
- 69.179.22.42 - Saturday, November 13, 2004 at 01:53:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 05:50:01 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul a very happy weekend to you to and to all PZers. Rain here in Coquitlam, but still fairly mild.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 06:08:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to you all. Hope everyone is doing well. Look forward to some good conversation and sharing tonight.
- 216.251.169.43 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 01:59:14 (UTC)

Marilu:
Trix: It seems everyone likes to chat during the week, and not on Sunday night anymore.
- 198.81.26.6 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 03:33:41 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Trix: don't have much to share, spent most of the day watching Football. First the BC Lions played and won then Toronto played Montreal and won so next weeekend BC will play Toronto in the Grey Cup and of course BC will win, right Ridy?
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 03:46:21 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all: Lets hear about what the gottscheers did in the winter, there must be some good stories out there. I remember going into the woods with my grandfather to cut trees for firewood. The men would use horses to drag the cut trees to a big pile then they would load them on a big horse drawn sleigh and drive them to their homes to be cut into firewood. Always Grampa would take potatos with him and he would roast them in the fire that he made to keep us warm and they tasted great. It was fun and will always stay in my memory.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 05:32:57 (UTC)

Jim H:
Although we have discussed food, culture, and various aspects of life in Gottschee, we have not discussed politics in Gottschee. I don't mean Republicans and Democrats but rather how people governed themselves. Were there elected officials? If so, how did they get elected? Was there a district official as well as town official. I know the region was divided into parishes and districts with parish boundaries and district boundaries not exactly the same.
- 152.163.100.12 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 12:54:49 (UTC)

Trix:
GREAT topics. Can't wait to learn much from your contributions. Feel free to post your memories of both.
Thank you.
- 216.251.169.39 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 15:23:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Come on in Theobald I am sure you know somthing about both of these subjects. It seems to me that during the Kaiser rule there were no elections? We did have a Mayor who was elected by the villagers and I do remember my Grandfather going to meetings in people's homes which I think had to do with the elections. I hope Ted will remember more about this.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 17:00:38 (UTC)

Jim H:
Other political points of interest would be to note if things changed from the pre WW I time to the Yugoslavian government before WW II to the immediate prewar years. Does anyone know of a good text to read?
- 205.188.117.7 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 18:09:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
That is a good idea Jim...Have a great week everybody...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 19:12:22 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Jim, I thought the recent GHGA translation of the Gottscheer Kalendar articles, "Year in Review" were a great way to discover the climate of pre WWII Gottschee since it is a contemporary account. That's the pre-WWII view but I don't know of any pre-WWI view. For those not familiar with the book, the title is "Gottschee Between the World Wars: The Years in Review 1919-1940" and is available from the GHGA.
- 152.163.100.67 - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 00:12:53 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hello, My name is Beverly Avis and I only recently learned of this site. It was recommended that I ask help as to a question about Gottschee relatives. My gg randparents came from the Gottschee region and their first child was born there before coming to America, Iowa that is. The child's name was John (Johann) Lukan and his nickname was "Tally"...I am not even sure I am spelling it right...does it have a meaning in the old language my ancestors. Thank you for any help you can give me.
- 63.233.86.107 - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 03:30:26 (UTC)

Jim H:
Elfriede, I have the book but have not read through it as of yet. Does it have much on the governance of the area?

- 64.12.116.133 - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 13:50:32 (UTC)

Jim H:
Beverly, I may have something on your ancestors. Possibly from Wretzen. There were several Lukans in Iowa starting in the late 1800s. Can you email me at DocH301454@aol.com and we can try to put something together?
- 64.12.116.5 - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 13:52:32 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Happy birthday
Herr Theobald Meditz
from all your friends

in Canada.
and many many more.

- 70.68.172.48 - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 15:42:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Same here, Mr. Meditz..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 00:19:02 (UTC)

Ted Meditz of Germany:
This is test how I can get in to the PZ to send greatings
- 217.93.233.185 - Friday, November 19, 2004 at 12:32:25 (UTC)

Ted Meditz of Germany:
A big hello to all of you participants in the PZ.I would like to thank Frank of Vancouver and Baul B.for the compliments to my 78th birthday.
At the time,I am organizing a Christmas party for the Gottscheers witch will take place on 5th of December in the state of Baden-Württemberg near Stuttgart.
I wish you all a pleasant advent Christmas time

- 217.93.233.185 - Friday, November 19, 2004 at 12:47:15 (UTC)

Nancy:
A HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you Herr Meditz! and a Happy Holidays to you as well.
- 69.179.20.128 - Friday, November 19, 2004 at 22:32:19 (UTC)

Nancy:
TGIF to all of my PZ friends!
- 69.179.20.128 - Friday, November 19, 2004 at 22:33:19 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Ted I just want to say that the Gottscheer in and around Stuttgart are very lucky to have a fellow like you . I only hope they appriciate you. Keep up the good work and we hope to hear from you more often here in the PZ. Wie geht es mit dem schnapps wirt es bald zeit sein zum kochen?
- 70.68.172.48 - Saturday, November 20, 2004 at 01:07:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Weekend everyone.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, November 20, 2004 at 14:27:32 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ebenfalls Paul.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 01:00:26 (UTC)

ARnol Rom:
Helmut.

I would like to thank you for keeping my web site link I have not aded anything to my site for a while as I was busy building a web site for my son Erhard Rom.

He is currently engaged in buling a Ring for the New Oreleans Opera. He sent me some shots of his Siegfried. I was very moved with his preliminary designs. Those designs are not on the web yest, but you might like to see some of his other work at : http:\\home.erhardrom.att.net

If you cant fins it just google "Erhard rom" and you will find it.

Thanks again ... Arnold Rom
- 67.101.1.224 - Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 07:02:09 (UTC)

Arnold Rom:
Helmut you need a spell checker.

Erhard's dit is at http"/erhardrom.home.att.net
- 67.101.1.224 - Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 07:08:59 (UTC)

Arnold Rom:
Helmut let me get Erhards address correctly ths time:

http://erhardrom.home.att.net/
- 67.101.1.224 - Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 07:10:30 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi everyone...how about some memories of Christmas in Gottschee...with the holiday coming up, I thought it would be nice. Hope to read some pleasant momories later.
- 63.224.14.19 - Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 16:31:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Wish all a very happy and blessed Thanksgiving.
W
ill celebrate in Fargo,ND,with younger son and family.
- 66.140.92.77 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 02:08:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
A very Happy Thanksgiving to all of our American friends. Enjoy your nice long weekend and we hope the weather cooperates. We are always envious of your Thanksgiving as we only get one day off here for that holiday.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 03:14:32 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Greetings from Cleveland and I would like to wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday. Don't each too much turkey, but then again, what fun would Thanksgiving be without eating that wonderful turkey, right? Best wishes from all of us. Talk you again some time soon.

Mr. Meditz, Happy Birthday.

- 205.188.116.10 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 03:37:43 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Greetings everyone, happy Thanksgiving to all US PZ'ers!

Arnold, you did a great job on Erhard's web site. He does some incredible sets. I especially liked "Aida"'s floating pyramids.
- 24.3.227.190 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 14:28:34 (UTC)

Ted Meditz :
Answer to you comments.Yes Frank,the Gottscheers in Germany do oappreciat my posting task very much.They have no other choice nobody wants to take over my posting as a successor fot the board of director.
I wandet to quit,but the coference potticipant of the annual meeting June 2004 will not let me go.
The arguments where,we are all in that age not to take over your presidency we all will help you where every we can.I was elected for two more years until Juni 2006
- 217.93.226.3 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 14:52:40 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Was out with Cousin Frank Jaklitsch yesterday-wanted to get info from him about Gottscheer politics--Got only as far as the Burgemeister-and then the subject changed to this intersting tid-bit...In Vedrank where frank is from-seems as tho the town was strictly farming..and selling their live stock..They would raise litlle piggies into big fat pigs and sell them,but htey did that once ayear-now he ponders, why did they do that only once ayear instead of two? They did make oil out of Pumpkin seeds.But they missed out, he says, on making Beechnut Oil...He says they had tons of beechnut trees there-but never knew about beechnut oil until he came to America!! Any comments??
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 22:19:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
P.S: A VERY HAPPY AND PLEASANT THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE, AND DO EAT A LOT OF WHATEVER YOU LIKE....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 22, 2004 at 22:21:23 (UTC)

Benny:
I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving!!
- 152.163.100.11 - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 00:18:36 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Ted Meditz, I am interested in where you are planning this years Christmas party near Stuttgart. My wife and I spent 2 years in Boeblingen/ Sindelfingen and only found out after we returned to the US that there was a Gottscheer Organization in or near Sindelfingen. We were very surprised to also find a Gottscheer Strasse in Sindelfingen. We visit our friends every 2 years in Altdorf and Sindelfingen and they visit us in the US. Am interseted in finding out where you have your meetings.
"Tschuss" Werner.
- 24.45.49.151 - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 02:24:50 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Mr. Ted Meditz

Please send me your e-mail address, I e-mailed to you, but I then discovered that it went to a wkobetitc, etc. In advertantly you also e-mailed to the wrong e-mail address.

My address is hbrunhilde@aol.com

thanks

- 152.163.100.9 - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 03:42:00 (UTC)

Ted Meditz of Germany:
Hello dear Werner Lackner!
I be very glad to answer your question.Our Christmas gathering takes place in the city of Plochingen 18 km.north of Stuttgartthe railroad junction Munich and Reutlingen,Tübingen.Tübingen is the univerity city at the schwäbisch Alb Hohenmzollern aria.
We Gottscheers celebrade our Christmas party every year in the
Gasthaus Waldhorn it is a very famous breuery Restaurant with good Schäbisch food.About Sindelfingen I know that city very well,there may be a Street with the name Gottscheer Strasse I don't know where it is.But there is a public buiding it is called Haus der Donauschwaben,we Gottscheers in Germany and Austria are partner too in that house every time when they have festivity's we Gottscheer Landsmannschaft get a invitation to Sindelfingen.The mayor of the city is a good friend to our Gottscheer headquarter
of Klagenfurt to Dr.Viktor Michitsch and Dr.Herbert Krauland.I do hop you will understand my english

- 217.93.215.76 - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 14:19:00 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
A very HAPPY THANKSGIVING holiday to all our American friends and, above all, stay safe if you're driving in this less-than-perfect weather.
- 64.229.177.150 - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 21:13:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Ridy--and you are right, the weather is stinky today-hope it turns better for tomorrow for all the travelers.
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 21:53:43 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hope everybody is saying a prayer for the poeple of the Ukrain
- 70.68.172.48 - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 01:58:42 (UTC)

Jim:
I would like to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. May it be a healthy one as well.

Yes, indeed, prayers for the Ukraine and the many other troubled spots in the world.
- 152.163.101.9 - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 12:44:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You are so right Jim-I second the motion--and I feel guilty just worrying about the weather, withall that is going on around the world and at home....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 16:51:38 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: don't feel too guilty, by focusing on the little things around us, like Thanksgiving, the weather, our grandkids, we keep our sanity. sometimes the world's problems seem overwhelming so we need small distractions to keep us going all the while keeping the less fortunate in our prayers.
- 70.68.172.48 - Friday, November 26, 2004 at 00:10:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes franz,thank you.What you say is profound....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, November 26, 2004 at 02:54:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend and greetings from Fargo,ND. We left 5 inches of snow in KCMO. No snow in Iowa, SD,ND when we left Wednesday. Flurries here in Fargo. More snow south of here. Hope to return tomorrow, weather permitting. Hope all of you had a lovely Thanksgiving.
- 70.57.199.158 - Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 01:17:25 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Werner Lackner: Hope you And Trudy and family had a good turkey day. We will be home tomorrow--weather permitting.
Please tell Eddie that I signed the petition he sent me regarding a Marine in Iraq.
- 70.57.199.158 - Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 01:18:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HAPPY SUNDAY TO YOU ALL.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 19:16:05 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: a very happy Sunday to you too. Hope you are keeping well. Clear, cold day here in Coquitlam BC.
Regina: do you have snow up your way in Kamloops BC yet?
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 23:46:09 (UTC)

Nancy:
BBBRRRRR! Greetings from Prescott where the frozen St Croix meets the frigid Mississippi....look at that...spelled it right this time.
- 69.179.20.118 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 00:41:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Re: worry about the things that count. KC Chiefs lost again today. I just can't get excited about football standings with the world in such turmoil. It's nice to have the PZ each Sunday night. We can all exchange ideas an
and relax. We may get snow tonight in KC
- 66.140.92.62 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 01:56:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello everybody-crummy day here too, but i kept busy with office work-taking a five minute PZ break.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 02:08:39 (UTC)

Jim:
Yes, indeed. Torrential rains in NJ. The pond is full and the ground is muddy.

I like to keep abreast of current events but I look to the day to day things to keep me in a positive mind frame. If we can bring a smile to someone's face by doing a good deed, then we have done something to keep the darkness at bay.

For those things that I can not control, I say a prayer and hope that somebody is listening.
- 64.12.117.10 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 03:27:48 (UTC)

Jim:
From the limited responses, I guess there isn't that much readily available information available about the governance of the towns and villages in Gottschee. This is information that is probably lost as the generation from the very early 1900s decreases in number.
- 64.12.116.135 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 03:30:51 (UTC)

Jim:
On a different note, was there a Thanksgiving equivalent in Gottschee? Some type of harvest feast or the like. If so what was it called and what did it entail?
- 64.12.117.14 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 03:31:56 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
I want to thank all of you for all the things you have done for me. I simply asked a question at the suggestion of a long lost cousin and found my ancestry at the push of a button on my computer. A dear man name Jim sent me all he knew about my ancestors in Gottschee and it has been a very wonderful Thanksgiving for my family. I could not go for the "family dinner" as I work retail and cannot travel during these days but they all enjoyed and cried at what I had to contribute...our roots. I did not get home in tme to participate in the live discussion and I am still a rookie when it comes to this but I am an old hand at saying thank you. You all make my heart be glad. Bev Brown Avis
- 63.233.10.59 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 04:57:03 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Welcome to Jim's fan club, Beverly! We've all benefitted from Jim's generous and ever-growing database of Gottscheer family trees, and he has helped those of us who were still born in Gottschee just as much as he's helping Gottscheer descendants like you to find their roots. His time-consuming hobby is our great gain.
- 64.229.177.207 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 05:50:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Ridy. Well done! Thank You Dr. Jim.
- 209.240.245.73 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 12:08:42 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nice job, as always Jim. Happy Thanksgiving Beverly (and everyone).
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 18:28:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I second the motion Helmuth-and wish everyone a good week ahead in this busy holiday season,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 19:31:13 (UTC)

Maria::
Happy Thanksgiving to all. As we all know Yougoslavia started to phase out the German language in the schools. My grandmother, Johanna Honigmann, Pollandl started a petition and collected signatures to continue to teach in the German language for religious instruction and won! Does anyone out there remember?
- 205.188.116.139 - Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 19:01:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Maria, thanks for your message. Very, very interesting. So Johanna Hönigmann was your grandmother. Brave lady! Would enjoy corresponding with you. Feel free to write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. I was born in the Moschnitze area, am familiar with Pöllandl and have lived in Minnesota since 1952. Hope to hear from you.
- 209.240.237.137 - Wednesday, December 01, 2004 at 04:33:18 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Check out my book "Life's Journey of a Refugee" the life of one Gottscheer, on www.RefugeeNoMore.com

Edwin Stalzer
Charlottesville, VA

- 216.12.13.46 - Wednesday, December 01, 2004 at 16:30:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Just want to say hello to everybody--the wind is so strong here today-who knows where i might be blown away to...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 01:14:11 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, if you are blown this far stop in and say hello. I guess its not really funny, high winds can do a lot of damage so hope it calms down soon.
Take care.
- 70.68.172.48 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 01:50:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul - is that hot wind from the direction of Washington or cold wind from the direction of Ottawa? LOLOL
- 64.229.34.49 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 02:01:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
The only damage we had was a gutter-leader blown out of place Franz...And Ridy, the answer might be both-and what's that saying about, "And the twain shall meet"??????? Stay well and COOL guys, the weekend is upon us...Enjoy, Enjoy.........
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 15:42:56 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: glad to hear all you had to deal with was the gutter. Hope the high winds have blown away and stay away.
- 70.68.172.48 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 21:34:00 (UTC)

Private:
See important new entries in Forum of: http://www.gottschee.de/
- 64.12.117.6 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 23:06:24 (UTC)

:
Private?
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 23:44:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
'Scusa me, that last posting was me....Good nite everyone--sleep tight, and remember that it is now Friiiiiday-at least where i am anyway....See ya'.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 05:18:44 (UTC)

beverly avis:
Hello again, I have a question...my cousin referred to a "flethcer" tonight as we chatted on line and she said that was what her mom called the deep fried dough rolled in powdered sugar. My grandma made the same thing but I have never heard that word before...is she saying a version of a word that was Americanized? Anyone know? By the way I have a new little relative in Slovenia, born Nov. 1st and her name is Briana and her mommy is Andreja Schmuck and they live in Ljubjana..or at least that is where I sent the gift. Thanks again for all your help, Beverly Avis
- 63.233.11.174 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 05:22:49 (UTC)

PAUL b.:
i REMEMBER FASTNACHTS BEVERLY-I ALWAYS CALLED THEM GOTTSCHEER DOUGHNUTS....AND THAT REMINDS ME OF ONE OF MY MANY GOTTSCHEER FAMILY STORIES, WHICH I CAN'T TELL JUST NOW...GOOD NIGHT.
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 05:30:22 (UTC)

PAUL b.:
P.S: Congrats on the new baby Briana---I just love that name, especially when it is pronounced correctly...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 05:33:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes Beverly CONGRATULATIONS! Beautiful name. Now about Andrea Schmuck - might she be a Gottscheerin? If yes, from where? Some of us will be in Ljubljana next May. Might be nice to meet her.

Regarding your inquiry - I am wondering if you are talking about Krapfen? Nummy, nummy - Never made them but love them. Must give it a try one of these years.

Have a good day.
- 209.240.245.91 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 12:41:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sounds more like Fetzen or Fetzerl to me -- little bits of doughnut-like dough, deep fried, and served with lots of powdered sugar. A bit like Spaetzle, only deep-fried instead of boiled in water. Haven't heard that expression since I was a young child! My Vorarlberger grandmother made them. Talk about calories! Delicious, of course.
- 64.229.34.49 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 13:01:26 (UTC)

Maria::
Hello Trix, I tried to email you but would not accept?

On the Fetzerl would that be something like zeppolies? My Mom also makes them.
- 64.12.116.13 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 14:53:12 (UTC)

Trix:
Maria, would you please try again: wyants@mlecmn.net.

Thank you.
- 209.240.245.91 - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 18:11:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Maria:I guess Zeppolies and all the rest are related in someways....I did not expect to see Zeppolies pop up on the Plauderzimmer-what a pleasant surprise.Have a nice weekend......
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 00:45:11 (UTC)

Nancy:
Just want to say HAPPY FRIDAY to all of my PZ friends. Have a great weekend.
- 69.179.29.96 - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 01:27:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Same to you Nancy..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 04:14:16 (UTC)

Jim:
Good morning to all. The fried dough sounds great. Of all the things that my Italian motherinlaw makes, that is one of my favorites. My daughter has learned how to make them in two varieties --- one for dipping or powdering in light sugar and the other has a piece of mozzarella inside and we dip in tomato sauce. As Ridy says --- no calories.
- 64.12.116.133 - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 14:00:55 (UTC)

Trix:
So, how is it done? Sounds NUMMY!
- 216.251.169.37 - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 16:57:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sounds godd Jim..The one with a slice of muzzi is a new one on me,sounds great...Anybody getting hungry???
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 19:17:06 (UTC)

Maria:
Paul:
I'm glad to have shared that on the zeppolies. Sometimes my Mom put in raisens. Are you still going to Bella Napoli? Food is pretty good there.
- 152.163.100.200 - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 01:05:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Maria, we still go,but we have missed out in the past couple of weeks-you know we go quite often-at least twice a week, and then some. But we have been busy with year end business work, so we have been eating home just now. HAVE A GREAT SUNDAY Maria......
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 02:33:59 (UTC)

:
Hi all...well since you got the doughnut thing figured out for me...and I thank you....I told that same cousin I always make "riblies" when I make soup just like my grandma. She had never had them and they are like spaetzle. Does the name riblies sound like anything you know? As to the question Trix asked..my grandma always made bread and with some of the dough she would deep fry in lard little balls and turn till golden brown and then roll them in powdered sugar...oh my but that was good. I always burned my mouth cause I would beg till I got one and always too hot to eat! Its so nice to talk with you all. I have decided our people were the original Krispy Kremes?? And doughnut holes too! Beverly
- 63.233.10.177 - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 04:06:10 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Bev. Could you mean ugeriebenes? I, too, make that often. Our children and grandchildren love it. What it really is a noodle dough but rather than rolling it thin and cutten it fine I grate it. Is this what you are talking about. Nummy too. Yes, the Gottscheers know how to cook.
- 209.240.245.149 - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 04:50:47 (UTC)

Marilu:
My family thinks it is not soup if I don't put little dumplings in it, which is what we call them. Should of known it came from my Gottscheer grandmother!
- 64.12.117.13 - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 15:13:28 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I hope all have had a good week. Raining in KCMO right now, but no snow. Had a bunch of snow on Thanksgiving. Mild since then.
- 66.140.92.81 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 02:10:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
The memories of the "Gottscheer doughnuts" from last week reminds me that my oma made those. I just didn't know they had a name. She didn't want to waste dough scraps and the kids liked them so much. Tasty and frugal.
- 66.140.92.81 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 02:18:33 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Eddie Stalzer: Got the blurb on Edwin Stalzer. Is he related to us?? I know great grandma was Ursula Stalzer, before she married into the Jonke family. Very inspiring story. Better than Horatio Alger--this is a real life.
- 66.140.92.81 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 02:20:58 (UTC)

:
Hey Margaret...did you see the Chiefs win today? I know its too late for the season but you have met another die-hard fan. My husband is from KC and I lived there about 15 yearsw...in Overland Park. We get to a game about once a year. GO CHIEFS! Bev
- 63.233.9.251 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 06:31:14 (UTC)

Henry Stalzer:
My friend John Tschinkel has financed and produced a book by Alenka Auersperger about the Gottscheers from a Slovene nationalist point of view that is quite interesting.
- 134.247.172.206 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 08:57:33 (UTC)

Maria::
The weather was great here in Long Island this weekend - Trix - I also make gerebinnes (grate the dough) my grandchildren love it in their chicken soup. I also make farina dumplings. Trix I'll email you as soon as I can about my relatives in Slovenia.
- 205.188.117.6 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 14:55:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
The weather was very nice Maria-got a chance to finish some outside work for the season.And we did go to Bella Napoli last night, and they were real busy..Now it is back to work....Have a great week...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 16:49:10 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
The entry, (repeated below), made in the name of Henry Stalzer on Monday, December 06, 2004 at 08:57:33 (UTC) is false.

"My friend John Tschinkel has financed and produced a book by Alenka Auersperger about the Gottscheers from a Slovene nationalist point of view that is quite interesting."
- 134.247.172.206 - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 08:57:33 (UTC)

Henry Stalzer claims he made no such entry. It was made by someone else.

I neither financed nor produced Alenka Auersperger's book. It was not necessary. The writing of this book was supported by the Slovene Ministry of Culture and produced by Modrian, a private publisher, with the belief that the content of the book is valuable.

Had it been necessary to finance and support the publication of this book I would have gladly done so and I would not be reluctant to admit it. But I did support Ms. Auersperger in its writing and allowed her to use my materials. I was also in Ljubljana for the release of the book, a packed event attended by the press and TV which covered the book release on the Slovenian evening news.

Upon the release of this book, Gril and Debenjak, both officials of the "Altsiedler Verein", applied at the court for an injunction to prevent its sale, a petition denied by the court. Already last Spring, the two officials charged in a suit that Ms. Auersperger writing is libelous. The court dismissed these charges as frivolous, and the accusers had to pay the costs of the trial.

The lengths some Gottscheer will go to suppress the truth !!

- 64.12.116.133 - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 00:43:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
St. Nikolaus

It was December 5, 1940, one year before we would be moved to Untersteiermark, and the excitement in our household was running high, because St. Nikolaus would be coming that evening and possibly, but hopefully not, he would be accompanied by the Krampus! The Krampus was a terrible creature, the personification of the devil, carrying chains and a huge switch made out of fine tree branches and tied together, with which he would hit children who had been bad the preceding year; and if you had been really, really bad, he would drag you off with him tied with his chains, to hell. He was black, and had horns and a long tail - just like the devil. But St. Nikolaus would be dressed like a bishop, in flowing robes, with a bishop's hat on his head and in his hand he held a long shepherd’s staff.

Of course, only very, very good children ever saw him, or those lucky enough to live in Ebental. Kukendorf was an hour's walk away from Ebental, up in the hills. Father wasn't home, and mother wasn't in the least bit inclined to take Alfons and me to Ebental that evening and so Alfons stayed in Ebental with our grandparents after school to wait for St. Nikolaus, and I resigned myself to waiting until morning to see what St. Nikolaus had brought me.

But, unexpectedly, mother's youngest brother, Alfred, my favorite uncle, showed up at our house in Kukendorf in the early evening. He had come to take me to Ebental!!! Mother refused. Onkel Alfred pleaded! And he pleaded. And then he pleaded some more. He kept reminding mother that I had never seen St. Nikolaus because I had been too ill all those years. And now that I was finally healthy again, it wasn't fair not to let me go. Mother reminded him that I couldn't walk all that way, my legs weren't that strong yet, and he said he had expected to have to carry me the entire distance, and he would also carry me all the way home again after St. Nikolaus left. I stayed well out of their argument since I didn't want to jeopardize my chances of possibly being allowed to go because Onkel Alfred was a master of persuasion and I appreciated his skill even then. Eventually mother made him sit down and eat something -- to give him strength for the trip, no doubt, and every time mother turned her back to him he gave me a conspiratorial wink. And sure enough, as soon as he started to eat (he was, after all, an older teenager, and could always find room for another meal!) mother started to dress me, probably adding another five pounds to my weight, because she never, ever wanted to risk giving me a chance to get sick again.

And then we set off for Ebental, with me sitting high on Onkel Alfred's shoulders or, alternately, being carried piggy-back, all the way down the stony road to Ebental, with my constant companion, my dog Kostan, running beside us. Kostan was extremely protective of his little mistress, and while he didn't seem to mind Onkel Alfred carrying me, he was not about to let him out of his sight either. After all, guarding me was his job. Onkel Alfred and I laughed and sang songs all the way down the hillside, and that trip alone will forever remain in a very special place in my memory because it was an hour of pure joy for me. Mother always said that Onkel Alfred had a very soft heart, and he had been very distressed when I had been ill, especially during the months I was paralyzed, and she told me that he would often come to visit and carry me around, and would often cry when I was in particularly bad shape. I like to think that he shared my joy that evening, but on a different level. He was happy because I had made a full recovery while I was happy to be having this fabulous adventure because of him.

When we got to Ebental, all the children were already assembled out in the open in the middle of the village and the excitement was running very high. The older ones led us in songs and prayers and most of us were on our best behavior while we waited. And then we heard the rattling of chains! The Krampus was coming! I trembled from head to foot, but Onkel Alfred held me snug on his lap with his arms around me, and assured me that I had been the best little girl and he would never allow the Krampus to punish me, or to drag me off with him. I believed him, of course, and knew I was safe.

And then we saw St. Nikolaus. He was tall, and very regal, and dressed exactly as I had been told he would be, in his bishop's robes with his high bishop's hat. It was the most impressive sight I had seen in my entire life. Not even the nuns in the hospital came anywhere near looking as impressive as St. Nikolaus, even though the hats they wore were larger and looked like huge wings to me. The nuns' attire had frightened me, because I found it extremely unusual, but I had known what to expect with St. Nikolaus.

The rest of the evening is just a blur in my memory. We all got the same gifts -- oranges, candies, dried fruit, cookies, chocolates -- the sort of gifts we all craved -- and I also received a new mouth organ. Apparently that was from Onkel Alfred. When the evening was over, and St. Nikolaus and Krampus had long since left for the next village, wherever that was, Onkel Alfred took Alfons, Kostan and me back to Kukendorf, and again he carried me all the way. This time he had no choice, because I had fallen fast asleep. But he didn't have to walk back to Ebental; he stayed the night with us.

This is actually the only vividly clear memory I have of Onkel Alfred. He was called up for service and was with the German army in Finland. While on patrol one night, a sniper shot him and he was badly wounded, and he died a slow and painful death a few days later. In their official notification of his death, my grandparents had been told that a bullet had killed him instantly. That was supposed to be a comfort to the family. That, and the fact that he had died a hero's death, giving his young life for his fatherland. Many years later we learned from one of his comrades that his death had been anything but pain-free or instant. If I live to be 100, nobody will ever be able to convince me that there was a higher purpose in his death -- it was a criminal waste of a young life. Period. Just as all the other hundreds of thousands of lives which were also lost during the war, both soldiers and civilians, were also a criminal waste. In my mind, nothing was gained, but the loss was huge. We all lost our homeland because of that war, but the loss I have felt more deeply over the years is the loss of my Onkel Alfred.
- 24.3.227.190 - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 12:15:56 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy,

Thank you for sharing the story. I wish the Krampus could do us a favor right now :) .
- 152.163.100.202 - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 13:34:47 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Geez, in the many years that I have read messages in the chatroom, there have not been many times when "false" messages are posted but both times it has involved the same individuals. After months and possibly years without posting anything, someone again decides to impersonate Henry. Hard to believe.
- 152.163.100.66 - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 13:38:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Ridy for your story..When I was experiencing Dec. 5th in 1940, I never realized what a lucky boy I was....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, December 10, 2004 at 00:37:25 (UTC)

Nancy:
RIDY...thanks so much for sharing such a wonderful memory with us. By the way...who is Henry? Have a good weekend everyone.
- 69.179.24.44 - Friday, December 10, 2004 at 01:14:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Have a pleasant weekend everyone-hope your weather is better than ours.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, December 10, 2004 at 23:41:19 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Ridy I understand that your wonderful Christmas message is from a book that you wrote...might I inquire as to the name and where may I purchase? Thanks you Jim. I really enjoyed it. My grandparents had a mask that I now know was the auful Krampus...when my brother and I were bad...which was often...there would be a knock or two from under the floor, from the basement and the door in the kitchen floor would lift up and a horrible face would appear...and BOY did my brother and I ever behave after that would happen!Your story brought a smile to my face. Thanks, Bev
- 63.233.9.4 - Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 03:54:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
http://ridy.dyndns.org/public/view_album.php?set_albumName=Memories-of-Childhood
Beverly - you can check out a review of the book on the web page above, and it also appears on Arnold Rom's website which is http://armrpops.home.att.net/BookAdd.html
If you send me an e-mail at ridy@sympatico.ca I can send you an order form.
Glad you enjoyed the story!
- 64.229.179.114 - Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 04:42:11 (UTC)

Nancy:
Good evening to all. Getting an early start tonight. Bad weather today. I think Trix is getting snow. We just have had sustained winds up to 60mph all day and have lost several shingles yet again. My poor husband will have to go up tomorrow in daylight to replace them before the ice sets in. Have a good week everyone.
- 69.179.23.135 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 00:47:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening all
- 199.243.152.194 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 01:59:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Is everyone ready for xmas?
- 199.243.152.194 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:08:15 (UTC)

Jim:
Just a little more shopping and wrapping. The tree is up but waiting for my youngest to get back from college for the official tree trimming. All other decorations are up and the parties (and calories) have started.
- 205.188.116.73 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:18:04 (UTC)

Jim:
The weather in NJ is cold and dank. I don't mind the cold but a little more sun would be nice.
- 205.188.117.8 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:20:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
we had the power go out around 3 am this morning. figure the wind knock one of the switches off
- 199.243.152.194 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:23:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
My tree has been up since the last weekend in November.
- 199.243.152.194 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:23:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
The weather report from Toronto is 'miserable'. It can't decide if it should rain or snow, so it's been doing both. Plus fog, and no wind to speak of. Driving home from downtown early this evening was hard on the nerves of this backseat driver. But at least there's nothing yet for us to shovel.
- 64.229.179.114 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:28:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We should be so lucky Sharon--our tree was bought today and is in the garage in a pail of water--my son will put it up tomorrow.I quit that job several years ago..But i do decorate the window---tomorow, also, I hope anyway...Good nite all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 02:31:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to you all. Nancy is right, it has been a nasty, nasty day at Waukenabo. Very strong winds, probably around 40 mph from the north with snow falling. It is blowing and very, very nippy. I am enjoying the wood fire. Had a full day at home and got lots done including quite a bit of Gottscheer work. Much more to do.
Ready for Christmas, you asked? Not really but I am not worried. My Christmases have changed the last 5 years or so. Much more mellow, peaceful and grateful for every good day. Still like a little decorating but am now going into new traditions like baking cookies with the twins. Having 3 of 7 grandsons now that have developed the love for cribbage we are looking to many, good games while they are here. Ice fishing will be in full swing too. The lake is frozen over and a good 8 inches of ice. What a change from Thanksgiving Day when it was frozen solid on the perimeters but open water in the center. Sure enough our neighbor's do, a beautiful, trained, full of life yellow lab by the name Seeker, also my daily walking partner, had to check it out, fell or slipped in and after 2 plus of hours of rescue attempts, finally getting her in a boat, doing mouth to mouth resusitation she didn't make it. What a sad, sad experience that was for me, our son, daughter Maria and 6 grandchildren along with many rescue personell and neighbors. Life goes on but it seems like there is a lot of sadness in the world right now. I am hoping that this, too, will pass. Enjoy a good week and everyone stay well. FROHE WEIHNACHTEN von Familie Stalzer-Wyant von Minnesota.
- 209.240.245.94 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 03:07:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Sharon. Nice of you to join us again. Long time. I am thinking Chinese again. Always associate that with you. Still love it. Stay warm.
- 209.240.245.94 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 03:20:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Trix. I'm also craving some Chinese food, especially springrolls. There better then egg rolls.
- 199.243.153.2 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 03:37:57 (UTC)

Bev Avis:
Hello all, NO, we in Oklahoma are not ready for Christmas or at least I am not. Our weather is not making one think of Christmas as it was 60 today and my azaleas are starting to bloom thinking it is spring! When I first moved here I heard about a major snowstorm coming and I went to the store and loaded up on milk and bread...well 4 inches later the town had shut down and our one snowplow was very much overworked. The people here just absolutely are in total fear if the weathermen predict any precipatation. Cracks me up after being raised in Northern Iowa and had snow on the ground from Oct til April. Used to go sleigh-riding in my Volkswagon...those were the days! Foolish but fun. Thanks for all your friendly chit chat. Bev Avis
- 63.233.86.85 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 04:10:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Bev. Nice to meet you. Our son and his family live in Cedar Rapids at the moment. They moved thre 3 years ago. They hope that a future transfer will bring them closer to home. Where, in Iowa, did you grow up?

Take care.
- 209.240.245.94 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 04:53:00 (UTC)

Bev Avis:
Hi Trix,
I am from a little town in Iowa called Dyersville..if you have seen the movie, "Field of Dreams" you have been to my home town.I lived 5 miles from that farm but "in town". Rent it if you can...it is a great movie and you get to see many, many Gottscheer as extras in the movie:) Dyersville is 20 miles west of the Mississippi and the city of Dubuque and is beautiful country. I was telling Ridy tonite that the pictures in her book remind me of home in Iowa and I now know why they settled there. I was in Minn 2 years ago for my step-daughters marriage...they live in Duluth...now that is NORTH! It was June and I froze...guess I am getting to be more an Okie than I thought! Cedar Rapids is about an hour or so from my home town and I have some friends there. Who does your son work for that he is in Iowa? Glad to be a part of this group.Bev
- 63.233.86.85 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 05:20:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Our son manages the Coca Cola company for the State of Iowa. I live just about 2 hours straight west of Duluth - in God's country. Our daughter Maria lives there so I go there quite often. I am listening to German Chritmas music tonight. Brings back a lot of memories of years past. Still love to sing them too. Stay warm. Will rent Field of Dreams. Have heard much about it. Bev, to where in Gottschee is your connection?

Gute Nacht und schlaf gut.
- 216.251.169.155 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 05:40:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Hey Bev - smart woman!!!
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Re: Looking for information of WWII
Author: beverly avis Date: 12 Dec 2004 5:44 AM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Looking for information of WWII by: Sophia STalzer-Wyant
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Hello, please go to www.gottschee.org and you will find help and where to search. Also there is a chatroom for all of us Gottscheer at kt3l.com called Plauderzimmer...just click on that when you go to that web site....ask your question and you will receive sooooooooooooo much help.

- 216.251.169.155 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 05:52:24 (UTC)

Bev Avis:
Oh Trix, I am so new at this and I hope I get this right! My gg grandmother was born in 1862 near, now Brezje pri Roznem dolu...parish Crmosnjice. I hope that makes some sense to you cause I have to caoncentrate so hard to get it right. I am a duck out of water but will learn this. There is much more to this than just finding cousins which is what I started to do. I also know that the siblings were born at Ribnik6 in Ljubljana..if this is at odds with what I have already said then it is due to my ignorance of the subject! I am studying! Just the wrong time of the year for me to try to concentrate on anything...in the jewelry business and only one thing I am focused on. YOU STAY WARM! Bev
- 63.233.86.85 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:07:59 (UTC)

BevAvis:
My word girl how did you do that!!!??? I saw this question on the message board and found her story to be so interesting and I was trying to figure out how to help...how did you find that so fast? I also thought i wanted her to share her story with all of us...you all are just amazing!
- 63.233.86.85 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:18:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Actually I got notification of a new posting my original inquiry? Yes, computers are amazing!!!
- 216.251.169.155 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:21:39 (UTC)

Bev:
So are we the only nuts up at this hour?
- 63.233.86.85 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:28:39 (UTC)

Bev Avis...:
Trix...........I know I am slow...are you Sophia?
- 63.233.86.85 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:38:57 (UTC)

Trix or Sophia:
Yes Bev, one and the same. Brrrrr again this morning!
- 209.240.245.133 - Monday, December 13, 2004 at 13:48:39 (UTC)

Bev Avis:
So Trix...to continue the conversation...just how cold is it? My step daughter is freezing! We finally have some cold here...moved in today and just the snap needed to make all kinds of people come out to shop. Whew! what a day. Finished the tree tonight and next the nativity scenes. Made 22 nativity sets about 15 years ago for all my friends and family....got me to collecting them and now it has gotten crazy. Wish you well. Bev
- 63.233.11.164 - Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 03:50:30 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Hi Bev. What a nice message compared to the three prior ones. THANK YOU. Now, I am curious - what kind of nativity sets did you make? My inquiring mind needs to know. We have -4° at the moment. Thank goodness the winds have died down. Nice to have a wood fire. Gute Nacht - schlaf gut.
- 216.251.169.29 - Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 04:58:26 (UTC)

:
Trix, thank you for answering. I was into ceramics that year and just thought it was a great Christmas gift and was so surprised at how welcome they were. I did not have one myself and really was setting out to make me one and then it just took off... never did keep one that year for me. Anyway I started seeing sets I HAD to have and now they are all over. I keep several out all year as I really don't think that it should only be displayed at Christmas. We need to have that in our lives everyday. So glad you answered. I think you should move...-4...do you need me to send blankets? Bev
- 63.233.11.164 - Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 05:31:22 (UTC)

Bev:
Is this the Trix and Beverly show??? :):):)
- 63.233.106.77 - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 00:09:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey girls, you just might have good idea there..The Trix & Beverly Show..Has a nice ring to it..From what I have seen of it so far,it sure beats most of the crap shows they have on TV right now...Keep up the good work.And a good evening to you both...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 01:19:49 (UTC)

Bev Avis:
Yes Paul...the Gottchee Thelma and Louise!
- 63.233.11.14 - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 04:54:20 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Did any of you get a chance to look at my website, www.RefugeeNoMore.com? You might find it intresting. Gottscheer Greetings from Charlottesville, VA, the home of Thomas Jefferson

- 216.12.13.46 - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 19:46:39 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Excuse the typo - the word is interesting

Mr. Ed

- 216.12.13.46 - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 19:50:28 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Check out my book "Life's Journey of a Refugee" the life of one Gottscheer, on www.RefugeeNoMore.com

Edwin Stalzer
Charlottesville, VA

- 216.12.13.46 - Thursday, December 16, 2004 at 18:45:00 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Ok, the fudge is made and the tree is up and the Nativiy sets are all out. Will work now until Christmas and had to do it all today. I want for Christmas the world to find a giant chat room and go figure from there. Bev
- 63.233.8.24 - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 04:58:49 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Check out my book "Life's Journey of a Refugee" the life of one Gottscheer, on www.RefugeeNoMore.com

Edwin Stalzer
Charlottesville, VA

- 216.12.13.46 - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 13:16:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
OK It is Friday-the Holiday is getting close-I made no fudge-but i did put in my reservation to the booby hatch early-I just hope they have room for me...Bempte Boga!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 20:44:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
OK Paul - now that you've had your minor hissy-fit, pour yourself a nice, looong drink, relax, and thank your lucky stars you're not the lady of the house, who has to worry about everything that still needs to get done! You hear!
Me and the rest of my gender have to stay sober and work, work, work. Right ladieS?
- 64.229.179.114 - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 20:59:15 (UTC)

Nancy:
Three wise WOMEN would have...asked directions, arrived on time, helped deliver the baby, cleaned the stable, made a casserole, brought practical gifts and there would be peace on earth! Happy Friday everyone.
- 69.179.35.82 - Saturday, December 18, 2004 at 00:40:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
OK I give up..The PZ s the only thing working on my PC,,,Can't send e-mail or receive either...Now i am going to make a fresh pot of coffee and pour in a couple tumblers of "K" and take a deep breath and succumb to the couch and TV,,I will become a =uh=how do you say couch potatoe in gottscheerish? have a good nite you all.......
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, December 18, 2004 at 00:54:46 (UTC)

Bev:
Paul, perhaps your PC has made some life changing decisions for you....
- 63.233.8.202 - Saturday, December 18, 2004 at 02:14:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
In what way Bev....You Know, at my age, every day is life changing--but most of the tiome I am just joshing about how tough it is....My wife says i have wierd sense of humor at times---guess she is right....Busy day for me today..Stay happy everyone and enjoy the weekend...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, December 18, 2004 at 19:46:24 (UTC)

Jim:
Dear All,
How is everyone doing with the Christmas season? Sometimes it can get too hectic. Too much commercialism and Madison Avenue hype. So far this year, my wife and I have it in good stead. Although I am not an "every week Sunday goer", I bought Linda a outdoor manger scene last year and it sits with a spotlight at the end of the driveway. It is a good reminder as to what the "holiday" season is all about --- giving, sharing, family, and religion.
- 152.163.100.136 - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 12:49:05 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
HELP. Is tehre any one out there who can help .The situation is this . My nephew you see is a Canadian who along with his wife are teachers in New York .One day he decided to go for a bike ride along with some of his other teachers from his school , as the tripp was coming to an end and he was heading hom he was arrested for having participeted in some sort of bike ride thing that the bike riders apparantly do on fridays. Handcuffed throughn in the calabus, bike confiscated and now has to appear in front of a magistrate on the 27 of December . I dont know what the charge is but his fellow teachers tell him he should plead guilty of which he is not prepared to do and as a young teacher does not have the funds to hire a lawyer . any help would be appriciated agne@chaw.ca
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 14:52:20 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
that e mail address should read agnes@shaw.ca i 'get it right yet.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 16:41:09 (UTC)

Fridl:
To all Gottscheer's I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!!! Guten Tag
- 141.155.26.10 - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 20:07:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I read your plea-I am sorry that I can not be of any help..Perhaps he should look into the legal aid society in N.Y.C. I am surprised that the faculty can not advise him. If his fellow teachers advised him to plead guilty, I would guess that they know more about this "bike thing" than they care to admit....I would strongly advise him to contact the Legal Aid Society.....If they can't help or advise, the most certainly can't hurt....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 23:31:37 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Thanks Paul, it certainly can't hurt to go to both the legal aid society and the Canadian Consulate. There was a Hispanic woman who came out of a store and picked up her bike and young man who came up from the subway with his bike and both of them were handcuffed and held for the two hours as well. the young woman was crying and wanting to know why she was in jail so this bike riding thing must be taken pretty seriously by the authorities for some reason.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 00:08:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Franz: I want to welcome you back to the PZ. I am sorry that it has to be on a troublesome note. I am trying hard to remember if I read anything about the bikes in the newspaper, but to no avail..I do remember about someone writing in to the Daily News coplaining about some kind of bike rules that mayor Bloom berg was enforcing-but no real explanation as to what rules...I am not a fan of Mayor bloomberg, so i will not besurprised at any stupid rules that he may be initiating...Stay wellFranz...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 00:22:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
Franz - This may be one of those cases where pleading guilty could be the worst thing your nephew could do.... It's a post 9/11 world, but I'm assuming he's in New York and teaching on a visa, and if he ends up with a criminal record he may lose the visa. So it could be a case of no other option than hiring a lawyer. The Canadian Consul General used to be on Park Avenue in New York - at least that's where Kenneth Taylor and his successor had their place. Unfortunately, this is the Christmas Season, and they might all be working with a skeleton staff or back home in Canada. But he definitely should try to reach somebody from the Consulate to advise him. Let's hope it's not just a junior staff member holding down the fort.
- 64.229.179.114 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 00:26:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy-Iwas jusygoing to e-mail you to read Franz posting to see if you could help, and you beat me to the punch..Aint this Plauderzimmer just the greatest thing since God made little green apples? Stay well Cuz...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 00:34:17 (UTC)

Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!
- 65.175.215.89 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 01:01:09 (UTC)

Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!
- 65.175.215.89 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 01:02:28 (UTC)

Jim H:
Ridy, thank you. I agree -- consult the consul. That is what they are there for. I wonder what the offense is alleged to be. I know in San Francisco there is a group of cyclists that illegally have bike outings in which they stop traffic and ride on busy city streets. It is some type of protest. They had one while Linda and I were vacationing. In SF, the police turn a blind eye and noone was arrested. Franz, good luck!!!
- 152.163.100.70 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 01:40:32 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hello, Eduard. How are you and the family doing? Margaret has not been on and she is probably savoring the Chiefs stomping of the Broncos.
- 152.163.100.201 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 01:41:16 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Yes, Jim. How about those Chiefs?? Everyone wants to know why the Chiefs couldn't play that way earlier in the season?
Now, they are like a powerhouse, but too late in the game.
Hope all have a lovely holiday.
- 64.218.109.133 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 01:49:46 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Eddie: Hello. This is cousin Margaret. Just couldn't help bragging about KC Chiefs. Hope you, Krista, Nancy are well. Thank you for your Xmas card and picture of Krista.What a young lady she is! Her picture is on my refrigerator with a whole bunch of other cousins. Helmut told me Krista wants to be a teacher. There are many rewards in teaching--sorry not $.
- 64.218.109.133 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 01:52:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
The danger of being polically correct. Wished a lady "happy holiday" She replied that Christ should be in a Christmas greeting and it was the communists who made up the Politically Correct "thing". You go figure.
- 64.218.109.133 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:05:09 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi All: just learned it is a worldwide thing called Critical Mass. They are cyclists who ride during busy hours on busy streets trying to gain more rights for cyclists. My nephew and his teacher friends were not part of the group, just in the wrong place at the wrong time like the lady coming out of the video store and the man from the subway. The other techers are all american and are not working on a Visa as Ridy mentioned. They are allowed to teach there for 2 years on their Visas and he and his wife want to complete their term but of course Lawyers are expensive. He is going to go to the Consulate tomorrow. thanks to a all for the suggestions.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:11:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Watched Green Bay's loss. That clothesline hit was awful. Now the poor player is in the hospital. I know football is a rough sport, but it's not supposed to put guys in the hospital.
- 64.218.109.133 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:16:14 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Just checked up on critical mass on internet. Not an organization, just a loosely-orgnized group that wants to assert the right of cyclists to a piece of the road. Quite interesting.
- 64.218.109.133 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:21:05 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Jim..worked today so did not see any football....even missed my Chiefs but heard about the hit that fellow took...my husband said he could have had a broken neck the hit was so bad.
- 63.233.11.113 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:23:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
It's almost bed-time for this old crone, but I can't resist... Margaret, check out Charles Krauthammer's colum
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6396-2004Dec16.html
regarding politically correct Christmas. It's a problem all over the western world, I think, but I'm with Charles K - he's a German Jew, and he's all for leaving Christmas alone. So am I. Let's hear it for Christmas!!!
- 64.229.179.114 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:35:38 (UTC)

Jim H:
I try not to use the term, Happy Holiday. This is the Christmas season and I wish people a Merry Christmas 100% of the time if I know they are Christian. If not, I will use the more generic term but I fully realize there would be no "holiday" season without Christmas.
- 152.163.100.69 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:53:57 (UTC)

Jim H:
Yes, "Critical Mass" is the term that I heard in SF. They were pretty rude and stopped traffic wherever they pleased. Luckily, we were on foot and did not have to cross their paths.
- 152.163.100.69 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 02:55:17 (UTC)

Jim H:
Trix, the Vikes eeked one out. I continue to root for them but they are going nowhere without a better defense. My Cowboys are doing even worse. As they say --- wait til next year.
- 152.163.100.8 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 03:03:00 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Good Evening to you all. Greetings from a very, very cold Waukenabo. We had -20° this morning. About -8 now and drizzling and again, very, very nippy. I am soooo grateful for our wood fire even when I complain about the dust and hauling the heavy logs.

Yup, the Vikes are just squeaking by. Did not get to watch them at all today. It was our annual Christmas cookies baking day with daughter Amy and twins, Megan and Mitchell. What a great time we had.

Then the German Club from the Aitkin School entertained the residents at the Aicota Health Care center where my husband is a resident. It was a good but busy day. Couldn't wait to get home and into a nice, warm house.

Yes, I, too, wish each and everyone of you a very Merry Christmas and a good New Year. Where has the year gone!!!
- 209.240.237.137 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 03:21:44 (UTC)

Marilu:
Merry Christmas to everyone. We had our family Christmas today. 22 at my house all day. Ate lots of good food, opened presents and took our annual pictures. And most of the kids and men played family football. That has become as important to the kids as as any of it. Last year they played on the front lawn, this year they moved to the street.
- 64.12.116.10 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 03:29:09 (UTC)

Trix:
Hallo Mr. Germany calling. Hope you had a wonderful weekend and that all is well. Frohe Weihnachten und alles, alles Gute im Neuen Jahr. Bleibt alle gsund. Servus.

- 209.240.237.137 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 04:36:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy - is it Servus or Serbus? Got a mental block. Thanks
- 209.240.237.137 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 04:36:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Servus - softer Austrian pronunciation makes it sound a bit like "serbus"
- 64.229.179.114 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 13:52:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Danke Ridy.
- 216.251.169.40 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 15:17:29 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Mr.Germany calling.hire my response,I wish all of the PZ attendance of the year 2004 All over where ever the Gottscheer people live,the blessing of peace and happiness at Christmas and a very successfuf new year throughout the time of 2005.
Keep on writing nice articles and story's of the homeland in the old times,I do like to read them, so I keep contact with my friends Gottscheer American's Now in German!
Zum bevorstehenden Weihnachtsfest und zum Jahreswechsel entbiete ich die herzlichen Glückwünsche aus Deutschland
The vice-president of the Gottscheer club in Germany
Ted Meditz
- 217.93.245.69 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 18:07:59 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Check out my book "Life's Journey of a Refugee" the life of one Gottscheer, on www.RefugeeNoMore.com

Edwin Stalzer
Charlottesville, VA

- 216.12.13.46 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 18:42:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
UPS just brought me your book, "Life's Journey of a Refugee" Edwin!
Thank you!
I am up to my elbows making Nußbrot today, and when those are in the oven some Buchteln will follow. I doubt that I will have even five minutes to sit and read between now and Christmas, but as soon as the after-the-holidays lull sets in, I shall sit down with a pot of tea and your book, and I know I won’t put it down until I’ve finished it. Can’t wait!
Servus,
Ridy

- 64.229.179.114 - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 20:32:05 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy are sure it is not possible to send some nüßpobauizen through Email.
- 70.68.172.48 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 00:09:36 (UTC)

Jim:
Franz,
How are things going with your son? I hope it is getting resolved.
- 205.188.116.9 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 14:10:42 (UTC)

Jim:
Hallo, Ted. Please extend our wishes for a Merry Christmas to our fellow Gottscheers in Germany.
- 205.188.116.66 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 14:12:02 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Check out my book "Life's Journey of a Refugee" the life of one Gottscheer, on www.RefugeeNoMore.com

Edwin Stalzer
Charlottesville, VA

- 216.12.13.46 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 17:17:44 (UTC)

Edwin Stalzer:
Can somebody explain to me what I did to make my message repeat day after day? I didn't do it intentionally. It must be annoying by now.

- 216.12.13.46 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 17:20:04 (UTC)

Helmuth:

Edwin, it's not a problem. Delete your 'bookmark' or 'favorite' for this page. Instead, bookmark the following:

http://hwk.best.vwh.net/chat/tqchat.html

The problem is that your bookmark contains your posting within it.

- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 18:02:10 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Jim: thanks for asking, its my nephew and he decided almost immediately not to take the advise of some of his fellow teachers to plead guilty. He did now take the advise of those on the PZ to go to the Canadian Consolate and look up the NYC Free Legal Aid. We are waiting to hear how he made out. He was accidentaly included in a group thing that was happening and he didn't feelit was fair to have to pay a lawyer to prove his innocence but he may still have to I suppose.
- 70.68.172.48 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 19:43:07 (UTC)

Edith Eisenkölbl-Gliebe:
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all from Austria (Kapfenberg).

- 62.47.5.32 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 16:32:16 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Greeting Edith. The same to you from all of us in the Plauderzimmer. Frohe Weihnachten!
- 216.251.169.167 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 16:47:16 (UTC)

Maria::
Dear Fellow Gottscheers': A Merry Christmas and a
Happy New Year to you all.
- 152.163.100.74 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 17:32:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
As the days are getting closer, we want to take this opportunity to wish all our Plauderzimmer friends a very merry Christmas& a Happy New year. God Bless...Adie & Paul
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 22:10:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I mean to say God Bless You All from Adie And Paul....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 22:12:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
Just had to go outside for a minute, and it's a winter wonderland in Toronto. The snow has started to fall softly, and it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. That brought to mind this lovely German Christmas carol.

Leise rieselt der Schnee,
Still und starr liegt der See,
Weihnachtlich glänzet der Wald
Freue dich, 's Christkind kommt bald!

In den Herzen ist's warm;
Still schweigt Kummer und Harm.
Sorge des Lebens verhallt;
Freue dich! 's Christkind kommt bald!

Bald ist heilige Nacht,
Chor der Engel erwacht;
Horch nur, wie lieblich es schallt,
Freue dich, 's Christkind kommt bald!

's Kindlein, göttlich und arm,
Macht die Herzen so warm,
Strahle, du Stern überm Wald,
Freue dich, s'Christkind kommt bald!

- 64.229.179.114 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 22:27:30 (UTC)

Trix:
Agree, Ridy, Leise Rieselt der Schnee is the perfect song for the day. I am listening to Austrian Christmas music. They do it so well. Enjoy your winter wonderland.
- 209.240.245.173 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 23:04:51 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
We used to sing "Leise rieselt der Schnee" at the Brooklyn Knaben and Madchen Chor at the Gottscheer Clubhouse in Ridgewood. This was in the 1950's. It is a lovely carol.
- 64.12.116.68 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 23:31:48 (UTC)

Marilu:
We got up to a white world this morning, had about 4 inches of snow. It is supposed to be cold until Christmas, so we should have a white Christmas. Merry Christmas to all the folks in the Plauderzimmer.
- 64.12.116.204 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 23:54:27 (UTC)

Nancy:
Too cold to snow here...-10 with wind chill warnings. I would like to wish everyone a very merry Christmas!
- 69.179.16.128 - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 00:46:29 (UTC)

Marilu:
http://www.eakles.com/70christmaspg.htm

This is a web site with a beautiful Christmas message.
- 198.81.26.104 - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 05:16:45 (UTC)

Helmuth:
I wanted to wish my mom, Maria Kump, a very happy 70th birthday today!

Also a very Merry Christmas to all in the PZ...stay safe and pray for our soldiers in harm's way.
- 24.3.227.190 - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 10:32:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Birthday Maria Kump from a very cold Minnesota. Stay well, enjoy the day and do something fun. This is YOUR day to celebrate any way you want to. Alles, alles Gute.
- 216.251.169.41 - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 15:06:53 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
We here in Cleveland and the EOUV in Russell Ohio wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2005.

These wishes go out to all here in the USA, Canada, and all over the world, wherever Gottscheers are tuning in to the Plauderzimmer.

Frohe Weihnachten and ein Glueckliches Neues Jahr, besonders von mir

Es ist ja so schoen weiss in Cleveland, viel Schnee und auch Regen. Morgen ist noch ein andere Tag und es wird viel besser.

Besondere Weihnachtsgruesse an Ridy und Familie, Ted Meditz und all Freunde in der ganzen Welt.

- 152.163.100.68 - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 15:20:19 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all from Austria (Amstetten)
Frohe Weihnachten and ein Glueckliches Neues Jahr aus Amstetten in Österreich an ALLE Besucher im PZ.
Besonders liebe Grüße an: Ridy, Dr. Jim, Hilde Kobetitsch,Trix....und Euren Familien.

Es zieht ein Licht von Herz zu Herz...

…durch kalte, dunkle Strassen,
bringt Freud’ und Heil in jedes Haus
und niemand ist verlassen.

Es ist die Zeit wo sie erwacht,
die Wärme in den Herzen,
sie strahlt und leuchtet durch die Welt
viel mehr als tausend Kerzen.

Wenn wir den Schein des Licht’s der Welt
in allen Seelen tragen,
dann bringt er Trost in manchem Leid
und Mut bei allen Plagen.

- 81.189.30.26 - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 17:18:06 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Dr. Jim, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, this is wished from my family to your family.

Thanks again for all of the help you gave me on my family history. God bless you.
- 152.163.100.66 - Friday, December 24, 2004 at 01:37:21 (UTC)

:
Stille Nacht! Heil'ge Nacht!
Alles schläft; einsam wacht
Nur das traute heilige Paar.
Holder Knab' im lockigten Haar,
|: Schlafe in himmlischer Ruh! :|

Stille Nacht! Heil'ge Nacht!
Gottes Sohn, o wie lacht
Lieb' aus deinem göttlichen Mund,
Da uns schlägt die rettende Stund'.
|: Jesus in deiner Geburt! :|

Stille Nacht! Heil'ge Nacht!
Hirten erst kundgemacht
Durch der Engel Alleluja,
Tönt es laut bei Ferne und Nah:
|: "Jesus der Retter ist da!" :|

- 64.229.179.114 - Friday, December 24, 2004 at 12:38:09 (UTC)

:
The Kristkind had brought our Christmas tree, which was gaily decorated with cookies and painted glass balls, and candies wrapped in colorful tissue paper (Tatzettel), apples, pears, and nuts, and it had burning candles on it as well as presents under it. It was a most magical sight.

Christmas in Gottschee was celebrated as a deeply religious Feast. It was not about gifts; they played a very minor role. The focus was firmly on celebrating the birth of the Christchild, and the blessings bestowed on everyone by His holy birth. Midnight Mass was attended by every young and old member of the Parish, without regard for the weather. Often this meant walking through deep snow, which was a major effort for people living in Tiefental, Kukendorf, and Setsch. It was a deeply moving, festive occasion in which everyone was anxious to participate. The choir had been practising for weeks beforehand, and they could always be counted on to rise to the occasion. It was everyone’s Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht.

- 64.229.179.114 - Friday, December 24, 2004 at 12:40:00 (UTC)

:
CHRISTMAS in GOTTSCHEE

My memories of Christmas in Kukendorf are not as vivid as those of St. Nikolaus. As is the case in Austria, it is the Kristkind, the Christ Child who brings the Christmas tree and the gifts to children, not Santa Claus. It was a much more church-centered holiday.

Christmas Eve we hurried through an early supper in the kitchen, while the door to the rest of the house remained firmly shut. Actually, we children hurried; the adults seemed to take their sweet time about it. Magically, just as father announced in a loud voice that he, too, had finished his meal, the tinkling of a little bell could be heard from the other side of the door! The Kristkindl had been busily at work while we were eating! We had to wait another endlessly long minute before mother finally opened the door. She had to give the Christ Child time to leave for the next house, because it was against all the rules to actually try to see the Christ Child -- to do so would have meant that you would never ever get another gift at Christmas.
- 64.229.179.114 - Friday, December 24, 2004 at 12:40:18 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
It's Christmas Eve all over the world, and my family and I would like to wish all our friends FROHE UND GESEGNETE WEIHNACHTEN, MERRY CHRISTMAS, JOYEUX NOEL, and FELIZ NAVIDAD.
Below are my own recollections of Christmas in Gottschee.
- 64.229.179.114 - Friday, December 24, 2004 at 12:47:21 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
My family and I here in Las Vegas would like to wish all
the Plauderzimmer families a very Merry Christmas and a
Happy Healthy Prosperous New Year!!!!
- 64.12.116.66 - Friday, December 24, 2004 at 23:11:04 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy thats a wonderful memory and thanks for sharing. Our best wishes to all for a peaceful Christmas and New Year.
Paul I look forward to another year of exchange with you and all of the nice PZers.
Nancy I hope you enjoy whatever time off you have managed to get from your busy hospital.
- 70.68.172.48 - Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 03:54:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes franz, ditto from me also....I hope everyone has a pleasant day today..And Gods blessing to all of us and our troops at and/or away from home....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 18:19:09 (UTC)

Jim:
Merry Christmas to everyone in the chatroom and thanks to the GHGA. There are a lot of families (including mine) out there who know more about their ancestors on this wonderful day because of their work.

No snow in NJ until tomorrow. Probably not much of an accumulation but I could use some exercise shoveling after all of the eating that I have done since Thursday.
- 205.188.116.195 - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 03:41:45 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hello everyone, I am here to say how much I appreciate your friendship. I have included in this note a card that I hope you can bring up but if not please type in the link. I wanted to say Merry Chrisrmas and I just think this is a good way to do it.
www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=0279309843

I sure hope it works. Thanks for the hopitality. Beverly
- 63.233.86.208 - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 04:01:54 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
I am sorry ...that is hospitality!
- 63.233.86.208 - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 04:03:31 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
In Gottschee, December 26 was celebrated as St. Stephen’s Day. It started out with a Christmas Mass in the morning, but the rest of the day was given over to socializing, including singing and dancing. The Feast of the Innocent Children (Fest der Unschuldigen Kinder) on December 28 was celebrated with great enthusiasm by Gottscheer children. They fashioned switches out of willow or hazelnut branches, then went from house to house, threatening the adults with a beating, unless they were given some treats or coins, reciting a verse:

Pisch’n di, pisch’n di
lern di, lern di,
longƏ lab’n
EpflƏ, NüßƏn, KraitzarƏ gab’n

The adults, of course, pretended to be very frightened by the children, and handed over some coins, apples, or nuts. This was very much along the line of children going “trick or treating” at Halloween in this country, but without costumes or masks.

- 64.229.179.114 - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 13:44:27 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gottscheers generally followed the Christmas tradition of blessing each and every animal in the barn with a twig from the Christmas tree, dipped in holy water. When weather permitted, they visited each field the family owned, and blessed them with the same twig and holy water, thanking God for the bounty they had enjoyed in the previous harvest and praying that the fields would also be blessed and yield a good harvest next year. A special bread was baked at Christmas, called Schipplink. It was blessed and placed under the Christmas tree, and each member of the family, as well as each animal on the farm, was given a piece of the Schipplink on the last day of Christmas – the feast of the Three Kings – to ensure good health in the New Year.
- 64.229.179.114 - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 13:49:53 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ridy: more nice memories. sometimes we have to be reminded of all the things that made such happy times in our childhood so thanks again.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 21:57:21 (UTC)

Regina Ramor Gardner of Kamloops:
To all a Peacefull, Healthy, Happy Holiday Season, and
Blessing from God.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, December 27, 2004 at 02:29:34 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello Beverly Avis
Thank you for the lovely Christmas card. Have a wonderful 2005.

- 152.163.100.73 - Monday, December 27, 2004 at 04:42:15 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello Ridy

I tell these stories many times to friends here in Cleveland. On how the children enjoyed pischn tok. What wonderful memories of the days gone by. Thanks again for giving us the good old days back, even for just a moment.Have a wonderful 2005.
- 152.163.100.138 - Monday, December 27, 2004 at 04:44:03 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hi Hilde...I was wondering if you have ever heard of a company called the Lukan Steel factory?? Would have been long ago and I am having a time of it with trying to find info altho it may not even have existed. My gg grandfather had a brother...do not know his brother's first name but he talked about him as they were to have come to America together and parted in Ohio and never talked again...but my gg grandfather always wondered if the owner of that steel company might not be his brother. I know nothing more than that.My uncle that related that story to me cannot remember if it was Cleveland or Cinn. They would have emmigrated between 1889 and 1908. Also thanks for looking at the card...I just love it as I have a Golden Retriever...it is pretty isn't it. Thanks again and have a Happy Happy New Year. Bev
- 63.233.86.16 - Tuesday, December 28, 2004 at 03:13:57 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Beverly

I have not heard about the Lukan Steel factory. When I came to Cleveland, which was in 1952 from Austria, I only saw the steel companies familiar to our city, but not Lukan. I will try to investigate and send a message if I am successful or not. The card sure was beautiful, I do not have any animals, but I love looking at pictures of them and also watch stories about dogs. Thanks again for sharing this wonderful card with all of us. Happy New Year to you and yours. Stay well and keep sending us more of the same picturers, perhaps of your Retriever.
- 205.188.117.13 - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 01:32:02 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hi everyone...just want to share the great news about my cousin's boy...he is on Holiday in Cambodia/Thailand...we were all scared he was heading for the ocean as he enjoyed surfing there in the spring...it is one of the beaches hardest hit and thank God he got stuck inland! Thank you God! Another friend's dogs kept them from going to the beach to dive as their dogs were just going crazy...I guess the animals can sense things. They are in Phi Phi Islands.
- 63.233.8.119 - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 05:40:52 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank God indeed Beverly-rest assured Beverly that everyone on the PZ is happy for you and family....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 05:50:27 (UTC)

Jim H:
I will probably be checking back in before tomorrow but, just in case, have a Happy and Healthy New Year!!!!!
- 64.12.116.13 - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 15:37:45 (UTC)

Jim H:
I could not find any hits for a Lukan Steel factory using google.com. Beverly, are you aware of Lukan's Resort in Hawley, Pa. . It is a well known meeting place for Gottscheers.
- 64.12.117.11 - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 15:39:01 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
HELP!
I am trying to locate a copy of the GOTTSCHEER GEDENKBUCH 1330-1947, published in Brooklyn in 1947.
A very kind lady in Kitchener has lent me her copy, with strict instructions to return it to her p.d.q., which I shall do, of course. However, I would very much like to have a copy of this book, and if anyone knows where I could buy one, please e-mail me at ridy@sympatico.ca.
The poem GOTTSCHEER KIND by John Kikel was first published in that book, and was reprinted in both the original German and in English translation in our book MEMORIES OF CHILDHOOD.
Please and thank you!

- 64.229.179.114 - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 17:20:46 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hi Jim, Yes I actually have had an email conversation with the fellow that is the son of the Lukans that run the resort. He told me that he doubted if we were related as his family was from another area completly...if I remember it was somewhere in Germany. I am following the lead my Uncle gave me and he is just so certain that there was a Lukan Steel factory but I cannot find anything. He spent a great deal of his summer vacations with his grandparents and the conversations are still vivid in his mind which is also sharp.
- 4.181.71.157 - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 20:08:03 (UTC)

Marilu:
www.mamarocks.com/happy_new_year.htm

If you copy and paste this address, it is a nice card.
Happy New Year to all the PZ.
- 198.81.26.13 - Friday, December 31, 2004 at 02:51:59 (UTC)

Jim H:
Beverly, the Lukans were also from Gottschee but a different parish. I can not find a link between your two families up to this point. However, both families link back to Wretzen in the late 1700s to early 1800s. In fact, both tie in to #10 so I bet that you are related but it would have to be traced back to the early 1700s. I don't have that information.
- 205.188.116.10 - Friday, December 31, 2004 at 04:37:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - who do you think would have the information regarding the Lukans from Wretzen?
- 216.251.169.170 - Friday, December 31, 2004 at 05:55:11 (UTC)

Jeanne:
General Query: Do any of you have a suggestions as to locating information on old Austrian Postsparkassen savings accounts? My mother gave me my great grandfathers old account book with a Power of Attorney to her dated 1930. The amount last listed was xxxx.xx, I am assuming Krone.hellers was the currency. It probably isn't worth anything...but I am curious...Thanks for anyone's suggestions!
- 67.116.86.228 - Friday, December 31, 2004 at 18:15:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Jeanne - I typed the full name (as in your e-mail to me) into Google and came up with all kinds of information. Please try it. Maybe you can get an e-mail address and write your inquiry. Good luck. I will be following your progress. Very interesting challenge.
- 216.251.169.19 - Friday, December 31, 2004 at 18:23:26 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Trix: Thanks for the lead. By name, you mean Postsparkassen? I did send an email to an old listing from 1999 but haven't had a response. Did find some interesting archive material on Austrian currency on the Austrian Nationalbank site.
- 67.116.86.228 - Friday, December 31, 2004 at 18:28:26 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hello everyone...making peach turnovers if anyone wants to drop by! I am wanting to wish you all a very Happy and Healthy New Year. It has been quite a year for me, trying to research my ancestors and running into all of you. I so appreciate your tolerance and friendship. Thank you, Bev
- 63.233.106.57 - Saturday, January 01, 2005 at 03:22:21 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Beverly I wish I was close enough as your offer to stop by for peach turnovers sounds great, so thanks anyway. I also would like to wish everyone a wonderful 2005 and to say how much I have enjoyed the good reading and conversation on the PZ.
- 70.68.172.48 - Saturday, January 01, 2005 at 04:20:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We wish you all a very healthy-happy-prosperous NEW YEAR... From Adie & Paul
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 01, 2005 at 20:25:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Beverly. I echo Franz's comments about the peach turnovers. I could most definitely enjoy a couple.

Just exchanged some mail with Kathy Rosenkranz and learned of your Gottscheer connection to Ribnik. I know the area well and have visited it numerous times in recent years but spent a full week there around 1939 when my mother was the chief cook for an upcoming Maichin wedding. I would enjoy hearing from you. Could you drop me a note at wyants@mlecmn.net.

Thanks

- 216.251.169.30 - Saturday, January 01, 2005 at 21:51:24 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. A happy and prosperous new year to all. We have so much to be grateful for. A lot of croupy coughs going around KCMO. That's not too bad. Will probably log off very early. The annual concert from Vienna is on tonight. What wonderful music.
- 64.218.109.167 - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 01:22:58 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Margaret. I agree the concert from Vienna is an annual thing at our house. Love it. Snowing at Waukenabo and we are in blizzard warnings. Yuk.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL.
- 216.251.169.30 - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 02:45:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Beautiful sunny 0 degree day here in Coquitlam BC.
Trix, hope your blizzard warning was just a warning.
Regina, how much snow do you have in Kamloops? I know its pretty cold, around -28 I think I saw on TV.
Paul, how are you doing.
Ridy we don't have to ask about Toronto as you guys always freeze at this time of the year its just a matter of whether you have snow to go along with it.
Take care everyone.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 20:02:02 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry to disappoint you Franz - the weather report from Toronto is miserable, of course, but it's rain, not snow. 38F and 39F tomorrow. Enough to drive an old crone like me to the bar to have another glass of sherry! We have no snow left, it's all down the drain, where it should be. :) (Of course, you know me - I complain about the weather, no matter what it is!) Lucky for us, we don't live in Indonesia. Just sending money doesn't seem to be quite enough to help lessen their misery.
- 64.229.220.248 - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 21:57:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Franz-nice to hear from you..We are just about coming back to normal after the Holidays-3 wakes-my wife sick in bed for more than a week. Lot of business catching up to do---aint you glad you asked? Franz, I wishyou and your family well for the new year and many years to come.. How did your son make out with the bike thing? I saw something on the news where a bunch of bikes were out on that equal rights thing....How does a guy know when he is out biking, that he doesn't get mixed up in that thing?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 22:25:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul:it is my nephew who is in New York teaching. He has been to court and was fortunate enough to have a fellow teacher represent him in the end. She practiced law in New York for 10 years before she decided to teach high school. She was not able to get his bike released but did manage to have his case revised in 3 months (all the other were told that if they stayed out of trouble for the next 6 months their cases would be revisited) and the decision would be made then to drop the charges or to proceed if they were involved in any further incidences. Well, as the fellow who came up out of the subway and the woman who came out of the video store have said "there is no way you can be sure it won't happen again unless you never ride a bike again" and for some its their only transportation. My nephew's case is going to be in 3 months as 6 months would be too late to have his teaching visa extended to enable him and his wife to teach there for a second year, which is all that is allowed under working visas. Tell Adie that I am thinking of her and wish her a full recovery, can't say speedy because one week is already too long.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 23:50:07 (UTC)

Nancy:
Sorry it's been so long but HAPPY NEW YEAR to all. I hope everyones holiday was peaceful. Mother Nature keeps surprising us with strange weather...50 degrees on Thursday. 0 on New Years eve, and 4 inches of ice yesterday. Paul, I hope Adie is feeling better by now...perhaps a doctor visit is in order? Thank you also for the email...it brightened my day.
- 69.179.35.7 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 00:32:27 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I was mixed up. Thought last night was Sunday and left a message. No wonder nobody answered. My grossmutter from Bavaria used a funny German word to mean mixed up or confused. It sounded something like "firshimmeled"??? That was me last night.
- 64.218.109.150 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 01:58:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Margaret!
'Verschimmeln' means to go mouldy, and that would describe most of our brains pretty well at the end of the holidays!
Now comes the boring month. . .
- 64.229.220.248 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 02:18:52 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
No Jan. is not a boring month! I am so looking forward to the peace and quiet. How was that pork roast Ridy? Are you feeling more properous? The people here in Oklahonma have to eat black-eyed peas for good luck for the coming year...I had never had a black-eyed pea show up in Iowa and had no clue what to do with ine but learned fast enough from friends here. Think of how we relate food with emotion?
- 63.233.9.64 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 02:31:15 (UTC)

Ridy:
LOLOL! Was overcome by laziness, Beverly, and ended up having left-over Christmas ham. At least it was still pork and quite delicious. Probably because I cheated I'm not feeling prosperous at all! My friend was just telling me that in Spain they await midnight on New Year's Eve with 12 grapes, and you have to eat a grape with every gong of the bell, and to enjoy good health the following year you must have swallowed them on the last chime of the bell. With my luck I'd probably choke . . . .
- 64.229.220.248 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 02:40:12 (UTC)

Beverly:
Besides the black-eyed peas here in Oklahoma there are very loud and beautiful fire works that everyone sets off...I guess they are left over from the 4th. I also thing that the pork thing is a big deal cause when you do the black eyed peas it is with ham....kind of a ham and bean thing. Are you boys enjoying this cooking lesson? :)
- 63.233.9.64 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 03:10:57 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Happy New Year everyone
- 199.243.152.254 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 20:45:22 (UTC)

Christine:
Happy New Year everyone, a bit late. It is raining very
heavy here even have street flood alerts. more rain expected
this week. Not sunny here in Las Vegas Yuk!!!
- 198.81.26.103 - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 23:23:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Franz for your kind words. My wife Adie says to make sure I thank everyone, so I am doing it now...It sure is nice having so many friends on the PZ...So Franz, does that mean your nephew is without his bike for three months??? Doesn't make sense, considering that motorists can ride around with a zillion suspensions and still maintain their license(which most don't, but ride around anyway) Our N.Y. Governor is being pushed to make the penalties for motorists more severe....Stay well Franz, and i hope everyone stays healthy.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 00:09:04 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello Paul: Yes that means he is without his bike for 3 months and at the end of the 3 months he expects his case will be thrown out and his visa can be renewed and he will then get his bike back. But you are right about lots of drivers that have their license suspended still have their cars and often do drive while prohibited. At least that is what happens here in Canada and I guess its not much different down your way. Glad your Governor is trying to do something. Up here I would like to see them do more to get drunk drivers and hot rod kids off the road rather than worry about a bunch of cyclists making a statement once in a while even if they do hold up trafic. Tell Adie we are glad she is on the mend and stay well both of you.
- 70.68.172.48 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 01:20:57 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
All, my grandparents are from Gottschee (85 & 80 yrs old) and have told me stories of their childhood for years and years. I'm 29 yrs old now. Just the other day they were telling me how sad it is that all of their friends have died. They are the only ones left, settled in Ridgewood, Qns, now in Merrick. I might like them to sit with me as I log into this website and have them speak with all of you about Gottschee.
- 170.148.10.21 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 18:14:46 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Oh, Thomas, PLEASE do just that. Have your grandparents sit down with you at the computer and start talking. We would love to hear all about their life in Gottschee, the journey to America, their life here etc. Can you tell us from where in Gottschee they hail from?

Looking forward to your next message. Thank you for your interest and wisdom to know it must be done and soon.

HAPPY NEW YEAR. I was born near Tschermoschnitz and have lived in America (Minnesota) since 1952.
- 216.251.169.32 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 19:17:09 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
My grandparents were born here, but they are traditional Gottschee and were raised by their parents as Gottscheers through and through. They still speak the Gottschee dialect when they want privacy. They talk about the old days, about when they lived there (for months at a time on and off throughout their lives).... I purchased Ridy's book for them last Christmas and they cried thumbing through it for hours. They live really close to me so we see a lot of each other. Each time we see one another they bring it up, teary-eyed....

Sorry for the duplicate posts.
Thomas
- 170.148.92.42 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 21:02:40 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
Does anyone know of a HENRY PUTRE who did phenomenal art/woodwork?
- 170.148.92.42 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 21:11:22 (UTC)

Arnold:
Thomas Alterson, are you online now?
- 67.101.1.233 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 21:39:59 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
Online, yes
- 170.148.92.42 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 22:12:34 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
My great grandmother on my grandmother's side was named Josepha Erker from Mitterdorf. And my greatgrandfather, Ferdinand Stonitsch, was from Hoagenneck (spelling?).

My greatgrandmother on my grandfather's side was named Flora Lackner from Mosel. And my greatgrandfather, Florian Koestner was from Neidermosel.
- 170.148.92.42 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 23:03:40 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
Instead of Hoagenneck, maybe it was Hohenegg???
- 170.148.92.42 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 23:07:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Tom. You wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
Does anyone know of a HENRY PUTRE who did phenomenal art/woodwork?

I did not know him but I know his work and also wife Wilma who lives near Hawley, PA. Are we talking about the same couple here? His work is lovely and we a number of pieces in our Gottscheer collection.

The village probably is Hohenegg.

- 209.240.245.79 - Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 23:50:14 (UTC)

Thomas Alterson (KOESTNER):
TRIX - Have you any idea where I might be able to pick up a piece of his artwork for my grandparents?!
- 170.148.10.21 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 13:23:16 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, let me check my file for the address for Wilma and I will get back to you. Please send me your e-mail address at wyants@mlecmn.net.

Thanks.
- 209.240.245.142 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 15:57:25 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Hello folks, the new clock on the page can help you figure out the time of the postings here. With the word "London" selected, (UTC) this clock will be synced to the posting times on this page. Let me know what you think.
- 170.201.180.35 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 19:06:49 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
The clock is awesome...thanks.
- 63.233.8.187 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 19:54:22 (UTC)

Trix:
WOW~ Pretty darn fancy stuff there Helmuth. Don't know what it means yet but like the looks. Doesn't that sounds like a novice just maqke conversation?

Nothing on photos yet? THANK YOU. We appreciate YOU.
- 216.251.169.157 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 23:06:40 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: sounds great but what clock? what London? I think I need help understanding this new clock thing.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 23:48:24 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, all and a belated Happy and Healthy New Year. Just getting over a sinus cold, got it just after Xmas. The weather is very snowy today. Stayed home in my bath robe all day. Temperature is not bad it's a bit cold -5 C on our thermometer by the window beside me. Not much wind, that is good. My husband just came home from picking our grandaughter up from school and there is a bad accident on the Transcan.1 (we have to travel it to get into town)
they went of the road and knocked down a telephone pole.
My husband thinks some people drive too fast for the road conditions. Still snowing now.
Nice to read all the messages!
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 23:57:32 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Yes, I think I need more info about the clock,london, also?
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 00:07:53 (UTC)

Midwest Franz:
At last, someone remembered Chicago. No I am able to check for the correct time. Wunderbar.
- 68.73.251.110 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 00:12:35 (UTC)

Marilu:
Hi Midwest Franz.
Helmuth, what about Denver? lol
I know, I am inbetween Chicago and Los Angeles.
- 152.163.100.200 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 00:29:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Great thing Helmuth-Happy & Healthy New year to you and yours Helmuth, and once again thank you so much....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 00:30:11 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks for all the laughs, Plauderzimmerer!
Franze (in Chicago) labescht du a noch? Dos ischt schaen!
Like Marilu, I'd delighted to see you still check into the chatroom. We old-timers sure have missed you!

- 64.229.220.248 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 00:34:32 (UTC)

Marilu:
Franz, Ridy is right. We have missed you. When are you coming to Colorado again?
- 205.188.116.135 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 02:32:43 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings Chicago Franz. GREAT to know you are still amongst us. WELCOME BACK & HAPPY NEW YEAR.
- 216.251.169.157 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 03:05:05 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Indeed good to see all the familiar names!

I would be remiss if I did not thank Arnold Rom and Barry Deutschmann who both suggested the clock so that people can reference the time stamp that appears below each post to the clock and get an idea of when people were posting.

As far as the photo sharing, which Trix and others have suggested, may I suggest you use the Yahoo group that I started a while back which has room for everyone to upload photos they wish to share. Some of you are already familiar with it as there are already photos uploaded there.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gottscheevirtualclub/

If you do not already have a Yahoo user account, you can register for free, just follow the links to sign up.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 03:41:02 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Also I should thank the German site that hosts the clock which I link to. It's travelshop.de.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 03:45:18 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Oh by the way, Franz of Vancouver and anyone else who can't see the clock, you may need to turn on Java in your web browser's options. You should see it then.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 03:52:52 (UTC)

:
no clock
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 15:06:32 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
sory that was me checking the time it is now friday 7 10am can not see any clock.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 15:10:54 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Thank you Helmuth for the clock. It was a nuisance trying to do the figuring manually.
- 205.188.116.196 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 16:17:28 (UTC)

Christine:
The latest weather report . It is 10:00 A.M. here in Las vegas and we have snow and it is sticking. Very unusal for
this desert. How is your weather?
Christine
- 198.81.26.43 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 18:00:30 (UTC)

Fred Falkner:
A Healthy and Happy New Year to all
- 64.12.116.8 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 18:14:06 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
We have about 5 cm (2.5 inches) here and still snowing. Its 12:10 pm and still snowing. I didn't know it snowed it Las Vegas. I enabled Java on my browser but still no clock. will ask my Grandson if there is something else I should do.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 20:12:45 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Careful with rhe shoveling Franz--we have a "Balmy" 40 degrees today and sunny....Strange-when it is forty in the winter, we think it is great---forty in the spring/summer we freeze to death..I got to think that one out..Stay warm Franz...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 20:22:39 (UTC)

Christine of Las Vegas:
Hi Franz of Vancouver and Paul B.
It does not usually snow here but I have seen it one other time in the 8 yrs. I have been here. Weatherman says 3to5
inches today. We are getting the new storm from the Pacific
in from Los Angeles. Moved here from Colorado because I did not want to shovel snow any more. I am up in the Summerlin area close to the mountains, but it is all over the valley.
a lot of fender bends today. Christine
- 64.12.117.14 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 22:18:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Christine of Las vegas-I did not know it snowed in Las vegas either..My daughter-in-law lived there for several years.Maybe that is why she now lives in Florida..Welcome to the Plauderzimmer..You are new here, right?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 07, 2005 at 22:59:42 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Paul B.
I have been on the PZ from time to time but only for the last year. While I was researching my family. But today has been a boring day. It is 4:45 p.m. here and still snowing but lightly. It is a wet heavy snow. and it seems strange to see the palm trees with their branches all drooped over. I don't even own a snow shovel any more got rid of that when I moved here so I hope it clears off tomorrow , but will probablyget more rain if not snow. The drivers here can't drive in the rain let alone snow. Will probably be more accidents on the news tonight.
- 198.81.26.106 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 00:47:40 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Christine your drivers sound like BC drivers. We have a spree of accidents when it rains and when it snows its cars, cars everywhere!!!! Some days I'm not sure they can drive even in good weather, seems to be getting worse as new drivers increase. Here in BC they must show a sign on their cars of N for new and L for learner and there seems to be more of them on the road than those without signs. Glad I don't have to drive tractor trailers for a living any more as every year I drove the rigs got bigger and more traffic to manuever through so I was pretty happy when I retired and got out of the rat race. It was especially scary in the snow and ice to try and stop when drivers cut you off or came sliding towards you. I feel bad for some of my younger co workers who are still at it.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 01:45:21 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Franz of Vancouver:
I can understand what you went through. My husband was a long distance over the road driver, we had our own rig as companies went to doubles and now triples it was a night mare out there. Some people think these rigs can stop an a dime. We sometimes had to use the jake brake as they cut you off. We hauled Poultry from Minnesota , Flour from Utah
eggs from Minn, Potoatoes from Fargo to the military bases in California and Washington. Supplying the troops. Of course there were times when I went along. We had a sleeper on our truck and our daughter thought it was her play house.
- 198.81.26.107 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 02:26:35 (UTC)

Marilu:
Christine Where in Colorado did you live? I live in Canon City.
- 205.188.116.132 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 02:31:37 (UTC)

Christine:
Marilu:
I lived in Boulder, grew up in Denver. My Father grew up in Leadville.
- 198.81.26.73 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 02:36:50 (UTC)

Marilu:
Christine, what is your maiden name? Lots of people from Leadville ended up in Pueblo.
- 205.188.117.10 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 03:25:40 (UTC)

:
Hi paul yes I am taking traded in or a bag of salt mutch easyer on the old frame .IT quit snowing but the temp. is still around 3 /5 at night so anything can happen.

- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 03:53:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, that was me and I meant to say I traded my shovel for a bag of salt. Much easier on the old body. Got the salt down before the snow started so it melted it pretty good.
Christine, I never had to drive a triple as they weren't allowed here and I never did any long haul but I sure know what you went through. I hauled mainly steel from the docks to the companies around town here and that was crazy enough.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 04:07:36 (UTC)

Christine:
Marilu:
My Maiden Name is Petschauer.
- 198.81.26.105 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 04:12:26 (UTC)

Marilu:
Christine. I don't think there is anyone with that last name in Pueblo.
- 205.188.117.12 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 04:56:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Christine & Franz: We have something in common-we did not drive Tractor trailers but we did have 24 & 26 foot straight jobs-hauling air freight-locally that is.Never went out of New York State....I am a pencil pusher now-my wife and i do all the paper work & and my one son drives..I used to miss the driving, but I too am fed up with all the jerks on the road now a days-it's bad enough driving a car...Stay well guys-keep warm and dry...You are right about the shoveling Franz-I got bawled out because i shoveled the walk a few days ago,, I guess I better stay at the desk....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 05:11:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Christine - please tell us again from where the Petschauers come from. There are so many new people inquiring about their Gottscheer heritage that it can be tough to keep everyone straight. Will appreciate it. Thank you.
- 209.240.245.166 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 05:55:45 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix:
My Petschauer's were from Altlag Parish Village of Neubacher
#5, My Grandfather Andreas Petschauer left there in 1892 to
work the mines in Colorado My Grandmother from Kletsche #4
joined him in 1893.GGrandparents were Georg Petschauer and Maria Koenig. Hope this help's Trix would love to find more
Gottscheee family. Thank you
- 198.81.26.14 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 14:30:24 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix:
Forgot to add My Grand mother's name was Josefa Koenig/Kikel
she was raised by Mathias Kikel her mother was Agnes Fink.
Thank You
- 198.81.26.40 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 14:34:01 (UTC)

Christine:
Marilu:
I know that Teresa Mantle a childhood friend of my father's
she was curator of the Tabor House in Leadville after retirement went to live in Pueblo They shared Christmas cards for years. I remember as I was growing up. This was while we were living in Denver.
THank You.
- 198.81.26.76 - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 14:40:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Sunday everyone....Nice to see PZrs looking up their ancestors and such..Good luck to you all in your search-and once again a BIG THANK YOU TO HELMUTH........
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 19:15:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good Paul and all on the PZ. Its stopped snowing here for now so I think I will venture out. Its supposed to be back to snow on Tuesday so better take advantage of today. Temp is around 5 C thats about 20 F here so nothing to complain about there. Our friends in the Northern areas of BC are -33 C and I'm not sure what that is in F. Will check back in later tonight. Still can't get to see the clock but its 11:30 am here.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 19:39:25 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello again, that was supposed to be Good Sunday to you Paul and all on the PZ. Sure couldn't earn my living as a typist!
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 19:41:12 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Sunday from Minnesota. Snowing heavy at Waukenabo but my, oh, my so peaceful. Yes, LIFE IS GOOD. Need to prepare myself for the big game. Daughter Amy and husband are coming to watch it with me and I am making my first Kartoffel Pancakes in many, many years. So far, so good.
Enjoy the day.
- 216.251.169.161 - Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 20:37:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Haven't had any in awhile-send some over trix.Enjoy the game..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 21:00:07 (UTC)

Nancy:
I haven't turned the game on yet...Gary is at a fellow Packer fan's house for the game. I may live in Packer country but I will remain true to the Vikings forever!!! I suppose I should see how it's going...an early hello to everyone.
- 69.179.26.226 - Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 23:38:51 (UTC)

Jiim Heimann:
Nancy, Trix ==== Vikings have won the game. This makes life even better. It is about time the team put a good game together. It has been a frustrating season for us Vikings fans. Now if my other team, the Cowboys, --- maybe next year.
- 64.12.116.204 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 00:41:39 (UTC)

Nancy:
YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 69.179.26.226 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 00:49:38 (UTC)

Trix:
YAHOO once more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 00:58:52 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Good evening everybody. Wow, I haven't been here in a while. I see lots of good conversation and new people are here. Helmuth I like the clock. Chicago is the same time as Kansas City, so now I know what time it is!
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:22:32 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Jim I know about being frustrated with your team. My poor Chiefs went from 13-3 to 7-9 in a year. Ouch!
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:30:07 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
happy and healthy new year
- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:34:54 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
elfriede, did u or do u have relatives in ridgewood queens, ny....
- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:38:08 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hello everyone

- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:39:57 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
hello william

- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:41:20 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
from pennsylvania

- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:41:56 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hi patricia...you were asking someone about ridgewood. i was born in bethany deaconess hospital on wykoff ave and live most of life on madison st, gates ave and 60th pl (by olmm)
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:42:50 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
know of wyckoff heights hospital, use to live on noll street between wilson and central ave, thenmoved to bleecker st, near myrtle avenue. still have relatives on palmetto st, and linden avenue
- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:46:12 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:

- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:46:53 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
i havnt been to bklyn since 1988
- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:47:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi all. Well its snowing here lightly. Thank goodness.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:47:29 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
no snow here in pa, but a wintry mix is due tuesday night
- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:48:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Gregg. Haven't talked to you for awhile.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:50:52 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
so william how is san francisco, nice and warm
- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:52:04 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
i haven't been in ridgewood since 2000. my family lives upstate now (lake george); i've been here 14 yrs. no, not nice and warm. rather, cold (about 45) and wet (heavy rains for two days). were you born in ny or gottschee?
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:55:35 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
hi jim

- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:55:59 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Sharon. I think I'm part bear. I hybernate in the winter. Good to hear from you.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:56:12 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
goodnight all

- 65.145.33.98 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:56:55 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hi sharon....i see your last name is eisenzopf. i saw many eisenzopfs yday in the gottschee parish book while i was looking for relatives from schwarzenbach and hasenfeld.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:57:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello everybody! How lovely to see a group of you signed in this evening!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:59:09 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hello William of SF - My 2nd cousin Chuck Tramposch lived there. He just passed away last month. Are you in a part of California with all the terrible winds?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:59:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I know how you feel Gregg. The snow here is about 3 feet deep and still falling. Good year to go ski-dooing.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:59:36 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Ridy
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 01:59:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Ridy, Great to hear from you.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:00:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hope you've all had a good start to the New Year!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:00:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello William. I just started to research my relatives about 16 months ago. My Grandparents are from Hohenegg and Katzendorf.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:01:24 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Sharon the only ski-dooing I want to do is in a desert. I've lived here all my life and even though it's not as cold as where you are I still despise it. I keep saying I want to move to Phoenix or somewhere.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:01:36 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
gregg, yes, we have had terrible weather here the past few days: high winds and lots and lots of rain. the temps have been very cool as well: nights in the 40s and days no more than 52 (f). where did you cousin live? i'm always on the look-out for fellow gottscheers in the sf area but i have yet to find one. sometimes i think i'm the only one here...
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:02:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I live just across the river that is about 3 football fields wide from the ice box capitol of the US.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:02:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Trix knows what I'm talking about. Ha Ha
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:03:15 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Ridy the new year has started great! I have a lot of high hopes for this year. Trying to change some things and make life a little better. How about you?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:03:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
William - Arnold Rom's daughter lives in San Francisco. She's half a Gottscheer!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:04:40 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
I never had an address for my cousin in SF, only a phone number. Before he died he worked for the phone company for twenty some years.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:05:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
I'm on the same track, Gregg. Have made a resolution to have more fun this year. Can't remember how to do that!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:05:54 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
sharon, it's likely i came across some of your family members in those parish books yday. my family comes from schwarzenbach, hasenfeld, moesel, hirisgruben bei hinterberg, morobitz and inlauf. i'm also investigating a line that comes from zwischlern.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:06:34 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
William I'm not sure if they are related to me.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:09:16 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
ridy, i don't arnold rom; the only rom's i know lived on 60th place in ridgewood. the son was bobby (he worked at the forest pork store). don't recall his father's name but his mom and two sisters were killed in a car accident on metropolitan ave in the late 1970s.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:09:30 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
sharon, i think, in the end, we are all related to each other!
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:10:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I don't know the area of Gottschee that well to know where most of the villages are located.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:11:01 (UTC)

Ridy:
Arnold Rom lives up in Seattle; he and I wrote a book about out Gottscheer childhood, but we've never met face-to-face. His daughter sings with the SF Opera Company.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:11:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I was told that there is 2 Eisenzopf families that are not related.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:11:35 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Sharon how is your research going? I remember you were having troubles tracing a branch of family. Your g-grandpa Josef had a sister Maria Eisenzopf. One of her grandsons's just passed away here in KC last month. Do you want any info about it?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:12:22 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
ridy, yes, i've seen that book. what's arnold's daughter's name? i'm a patron of sf opera, have a season subscription and am involved with several other of their activies. perhaps i know of her.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:13:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
The branch I am having trouble with is my Dad's Aunt. I never looked into the Tramposch or Kropf side of the tree.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:13:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
You know with them repeating the names in the family makes it harder. My Dad's generation changed that by giving us kids different names.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:15:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Delighted to meet another opera fan,William! That's how Arnold and I started out, right here in the Plauderzimmer, arguing about our favorite operas! Elisabeth sings in the chorus, although she has a new baby and a toddler, and may be on leave right now.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:16:21 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
sharon, if you give me your email i will send you a good map of the region. fyi, hohenegg and katzendorf are both part of the seele parish and those towns as well as several other surroudning town are listed in the parish books i was looking at.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:16:31 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
william send it to ownsadurango@yahoo.ca
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:19:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
William - you may be familiar with Arnold's web address - it's http://armrpops.home.att.net/
His son, Erhard, is a set designer.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:19:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I started with my Grandpa's birth record film and have managed to trace back to around the early 1800's
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:20:36 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
ridy, yes, i'm a big opera fan. mozart's are my favorites, figaro and cosi topping the list; i also love baroque opera. verdi is fun - great music but not a fan of puccini (and the rest of the verissimo crowd), wagner or any french composer.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:20:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hrmph - you're probably too young to appreciate Wagner! How about Richard Strauss?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:22:48 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ridy you left him speechless. Ha Ha
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:29:32 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
musically he's difficult for my ear: i really dislike wagner's harmony as it's way too dissonant. his stories are generally good but again, musically they are just too long. too young! ha! i'm older than you suspect (maybe). fyi, i saw dutchman at sfo this season. what a disaster! it was terrible for many, many reasons. strauss...beyond rosenkavalier i don't know his works. his harmony can also be tough on my ear but overall i like his work.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:30:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
Opera fans are never speechless, Sharon. We're known for being very vocal!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:31:13 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
sharon i just sent you that map
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:31:30 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
follow up on ridy's last msg: as my last msg to him was very wordy....and as wagner's operas are beyond wordy....
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:32:17 (UTC)

Ridy:
William, did you listen to Otello yesterday?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:33:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I just got an email alert William. Just need it to download.
Ridy I always wanted to see Phantom of the Opera. I was in Toronto in grade 8 when it was there around 88'. I was on the school trip so it wasn't part of the trip. Bummer.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:34:44 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
This opera talk is really making me feel young! I guess I could never listen to something I couldn't understand. I can sure appreciate the talent in it though.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:35:17 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sharon - I hear they've made a movie of it. I preferred Cats to Phantom.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:35:42 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I couldn't imagine having to wear those heavy costumes and trying to sing.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:36:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gregg - they've solved that problem! We now have surtitles and you can read what they're singing about.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:37:38 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
See Ridy, I really am out of the loop. I wasn't aware of that. Perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel for me to attend a performance yet!
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:39:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
As the saying goes, Gregg: Try it - you'll like it!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:39:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks for the map William. Its really a good one. I printed one off the net along time ago but not as clear as this one.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:40:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
William - you probably know that Lotfi Mansouri was here in Toronto before he defected to the SF Opera!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:40:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
Find Kukendorf on the map, Sharon, and you'll see where I was born.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:42:55 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Sharon, the GHGA also has a map you can purchase that I found to be incredible. It's large, like a table map, but wow! I was impressed.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:43:33 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
ridy, no i didn'thear othello. where was it?
sharon, you're welcome for the map. i have several others i can send you as well.
ridy, re lotfy. yes, i knew that. did you know that many here in sf blame him for getting sfo into the almost bankrupt state it's in today? then pamala rosenberg came along two yrs ago and drove the last nails into the financial coffin.
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:47:45 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Give me a clue where to look Ridy
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:47:50 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
kukendorf is north of the city of gottschee, sharon, look near the dotted line on the map i sent you; it's directly above the boldfaced word oberland
- 69.19.181.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:50:00 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
William does the SFO still perform now or is it gone with bankruptcy?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:50:45 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
A belated Happy New Year to all Göttscheabarä af dr gonzn Badlt.
- 64.12.116.133 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:51:03 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
ok I see it. Wow Ridy thats quite the ways
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:52:12 (UTC)

:
William - ouch! Yes, Lotfi does have expensive tastes.
Otello was on the radio from the Met yesterday, with Ben Heppner in the starring role.
Sharon, Kukendorf is in the Ebental parish... sort of south of Laibach, on the border
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:52:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry - I had been surfing....
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:53:16 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello Franze! So good to see you on. Bi geaht's dir?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:53:55 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Ridy, did people living in the many Gottscheer villages come to Gottschee City often to do trading, shopping etc. Was Gottschee City like a main business/trading place? I picture people from suburbs in the states going to their big downtowns in the old days, wondering if it was similar.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:56:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gregg - yes, the big shops were in the City of Gottschee. The larger villages usually had a store where you could be staples like sugar, matches, cigarettes,necessary household items... I'm trying to think what my grandparents in Ebental had in their store, which was in their house. They also had a Gasthaus. But any larger items were purchased in the City.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 02:59:46 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
Ridy, did you surf the San Francisco bay?
- 64.12.116.65 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:00:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
Franz - do you remember where people did their shopping, or were you too young? Of course, Laibach wasn't too far away either.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:01:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
Why, did you have some rumors of a sighting of a great white whale in San Francisco bay,Franz?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:02:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
breaking news on CNN a US chopper crashlanded in Indonesia. All 10 service men did survive.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:02:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
Deo gratias... that must have been one heck of a good pilot!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:03:53 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
So I'm guessing there were automobiles in Gottschee (pardon me for being so nieve) did all the villages have service stations too? Is that a Gasthaus? Did Gottschee City have any world renound department stores there?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:04:10 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well the chopper is on its side but they are sayning 2 are hurt but it sounds like that they are not too worried.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:05:27 (UTC)

Ridy:
Oh Gregg.... there were a couple of automobiles in Gottschee and at least one of them was a taxi. I know, because I had a ride in it once! But the general population did not have cars, they travelled mostly by horse and buggy, and many had bicyles. The rest went by leggomobile. How far off the mark am I on this, Franz?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:07:32 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
Ridy, as far as my memory is is still functionig, our Neighbor Vilage Unterwarmberg had a Gasthaus which also had a function as a store and was also the main entertainment center. My father made in the offseason wooden containers such as barrels, also produced charcoal which he traded in slovenien neighbor towns and villages.
- 64.12.116.72 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:08:13 (UTC)

:
ben hepner is great - i've heard/seen him a few times. no, sfo is still around but in tough shape money-wise. recently it was made known that donald runnicles the music dir earns about 650k/yr, and was given a raise, this right after the musicians were denied a c.o.l pay increase by the opera direction.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:08:23 (UTC)

:
my grandparents also operated a gasthaus and a general store in morobitz. they also had lumbermill in morobitz and stadt gottschee.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:09:29 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
those last two unattributed msgs were from me
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:09:47 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
Ridy, I remember
- 64.12.116.201 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:13:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yes - I think most of the bigger Gasthaus establishments also had a small general store attached to them. My grandparents in Kukendorf also had a Gasthaus, but no store, and no rooms for guests. The 14 children took up all the space!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:13:56 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
Oops I goofed, I remember seeing one automobile in Komutzen, our fillingstations were the Misthaufen which contained a sizeable amount of gas.
- 64.12.116.73 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:15:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
There is a wonderful film about Gottschee which was made in 1936 by a visiting priest from Cleveland and it has been completely restored and issued as a video tape by the Gottscheer Relief Association in Ridgewood. If you want to see what life was like in Gottschee, you must see it. It's priceless, but only costs about $20, if I recall correctly.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:16:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
No Volvo dealerships in Gottschee, eh Franz?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:19:43 (UTC)

Trix:
Here is a good one - I have been told that Donald Trump is getting married soon. He is married the beauty from Slovenia. I believe her last name is Knaus. I have also been told that there were a number of Knaus in the former Gottscheer area. Anyone know anything specific about this?
THANK YOU.
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:20:56 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
Eh, that market was not developed yet.
- 64.12.116.6 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:21:15 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
Now , if that is true, I will denounce my Heritage.
- 64.12.116.201 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:22:25 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Very interesting. If you happen to have an address or weblink for getting the film you can email me gregglickteig@comcast.net One other thing, did electricity ever make it there?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:22:52 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
its Knauss. I saw her on tv and Donald being interviewed by Barbara Walters.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:22:56 (UTC)

Ridy:
William - Ben was a member of our Ensemble here in Toronto back in his student days, and he makes his home here now. One of the perks of being a member of the Women's Committee was to be able to have the students come to sing for their supper!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:23:04 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
There is also another famous Knaus on TV. His name is Chad Knaus and he is Jimmie Johnson's crew chief for nascar nextel cup series.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:24:26 (UTC)

Phantom from Windy City:
I am floored, güatei nocht.
- 64.12.116.73 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:25:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I find that when I watch tv that I notice names at the credits and wonder if they are part of the Gottscheer culture.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:25:39 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Trix,

I just so happen to have the German resettlement book laying next to me and there are quite a few Knaus individuals listed in it! Scary, huh? that Donald Trump could marry someone this close to us.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:25:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yes Trix - there are a number of Knauss families from Gottschee. They were better known for the brilliant children they produced, e.g. world-famous doctors, but not, as far as I know, somebody who would marry the likes of the Trump.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:26:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
this is what his 3rd marriage. I wonder how long this one will be.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:26:34 (UTC)

Ridy:
At least as long as it takes to get a good divorce settlement, wouldn't you think?
Told you I liked Cats!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:27:50 (UTC)

Ridy:
http://www.gottscheenewyork.org/
You should be able to find the video on that link. If not, let me know Gregg, and I'll find a contact for you.
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:29:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
This was fun - just like the good old days! Thanks for the chat, everybody, and I hope we can get together again next Sunday evening.
Good night, and have a good week.
ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:31:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Goodnight Ridy.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:32:25 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Gregg, Is there a Franz Eisenzopf in the resettlement records?
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:33:40 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
gregg, re the resettlement book. would do me a huge favor and look up zurl in morobitz #9. that's my mom's family and i'd love to hear what it says.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:35:30 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
gregg,
http://gottscheenewyork.org.hosting.domaindirect.com/index.html
is the website for the gottschee relief org in ridgewood, ny. they have the movie. but, be warned, they take a long, long time to respond to email.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:37:58 (UTC)

Jim H:
Sounds like a busy place tonight. The Vikings win and everyone is energized. :)
- 205.188.116.72 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:38:41 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Mitterdorf had only one automobile and it was owned by a Bee Keeper and he also had the only gramaphone in the village. He used to play it in his front yard in the summertime and us kids hung around listing to it. Great memories. Where he got the benzine for his auto I have no idea. I got a ride in it once from Mitterdorf to Tschermoschnitz one Good Friday (Corr Friday) and that was my very first ride in an automobile and that was around 1937 when I was about 6 years old.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:39:15 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jim, I took Green Bay for the pool. Boy did I call that wrong. I called all the games so far wrong.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:39:53 (UTC)

Jim H:
Have to finish a show. William, I think all the Zurls in Morobitz#9 at the time of the resettlement are those in your family. One started out at #9 and lived at Gottschee#91.
- 205.188.116.204 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:41:58 (UTC)

Jim H:
I thought GB would win but I was rooting for the Vikes. Be back later.
- 205.188.116.137 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:42:26 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
jim, who was the zurl that ended up in gottschee 91?
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:52:20 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
does the resettlement book say where they went?
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 03:52:57 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well it seems everyone has gone for the night, and its time for me to also get going. Everyone have a great week and take care of one another. I be checking in later in the week. Goodnight all.
- 199.243.152.113 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:00:21 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
What is the resettlement book? Beverly
- 63.233.8.165 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:03:38 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
good night, sharon. i will send you a few more maps.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:04:16 (UTC)

Christine of Las Vegas:
Gregg:
Where can I get a copy of the resettlement book, in English?
E-mail me at CSSharpie@aol.com THank You!!!
- 64.12.116.135 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:13:19 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
in 1941 the nazis strong-armed the gottschees into giving up their homes. in return they were given homes in another part of slovenia, but they weren't told where the homes were. the resettlement book is the documentation pertaining to that event.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:14:11 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
http://www.gottschee.org/

will take to the people from whom you can purchase the book.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:15:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Minnesota. I am late - enjoyed the great game of the Vikings and Green Bay. Always good to win.

The Resettlement Book gives the approximate 12,000 Gottscheers who were resettled in 1941 as William states. In addition to the name they give the birthdate, home village etc. No history of the actual resettlement documents is included. This is truly a very, very important publication for all Gottscheers and it is available through the GHGA. Please check our web site and contact our treasurer Kate Loschke Baum or any board member. It really is a must for every Gottscheer home library. I use mine all the time.
- 216.251.169.160 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:24:33 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hi trix...
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:26:19 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
trix, does it say where they went?
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:27:03 (UTC)

Trix:
I don't believe it does. I am pretty sure I have never seen that information. I, for one, would love to get copies of where these 12,000 Gottscheers. We all know it was in Untersteiermark but would be nice to know the individual villages.
- 216.251.169.160 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:56:10 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
William: the resettlement book shows a fair number of individuals either living in or from Morobitz 9...too lengthy to write here. I might be able to look something specific up for you if you'd like to email me gregglickteig@comcast.net
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 04:57:52 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Beverly: yes, the Gottscheers were basically kicked out of their homeland in late 1941 into 1942 by the Germans. Italy was given their land. They were moved to another area controlled by Germany under extremely bad conditions. This is known as the Resettlement. The Germans kept records of all the Gottscheers they resettled, including names, DOB, father, etc. There is a published copy of all these records, available throught the GHGA. Email me if you have any questions gregglickteig@comcast.net
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:01:47 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
gregg, just emailed some info to you
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:04:25 (UTC)

Beverly:
Thank you. I am so overwhelmed at all this as I was not looking for anything but who married who when I started poking around. This has been an amazing adventure for me. Can you imagine not knowing any of this and finding out this October that your grandparents were all a part of this???!!! The Gottschee Experience. I feel so dumb and forgive me at the questions I ask cause none of this was talked about at home. I only recently found out why I can carve wood and cook the way I do!
- 63.233.8.165 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:10:27 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
I got it William

- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:18:47 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
beverly, where are you from? your last comment about the wood carving: i always thought i was the family freak for a number of reasons. but after investigating (deeply) my gottschee roots i found two relatives - one a bit back in time the other my second uncle - who had traits, interests, talents, behaviours, etc. very similar to me. now, i feel less like the family freak and more like the continuation of those who came before me. and, more importantly, i feel like i'm part of something bigger than just me and not the oddball in the group. there's a reason we are the way we are.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:19:24 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
ok, gregg
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:20:30 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Beverly, do you have an email address? I'd love to send you a shortened resettlement story summary recently given to me.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:22:09 (UTC)

Trix:
William, love your description of yourself.

Beverly, always remember there is no such thing as a STUPID QUESTION. We all started in the beginning at one time or another. As we go along we continue to learn much about our ancestors and we know the importance to continue to dig, to learn, to share and to preserve.

One thing everyone can agree upon - the Gottscheers were dumb.
- 216.251.169.160 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:28:57 (UTC)

Trix:
I deeply apologize for my error. I meant to say: THE GOTTSCHEER WERE NOT DUMB. How could I do that. Shame, shame Trix. I know you know better.
- 216.251.169.160 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:29:50 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well I was raised in Iowa and it is as green as Austria. A little town called Dyersville. My gg grandparents were from Ribnik house # 6. See, I was not prepared for any of this...I started trying to find out who my gg grandparents were! I had no idea. I have made clocks for years and do all sorts of arts and crafts and I kept asking who did I get this from and no one could or would say. I have found a cousin in Canada who can do what I do and I am so glad to nkow...for a while I was thinking I was adopted!
- 63.233.8.165 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:30:32 (UTC)

Beverly:
My email address is beverlyavis@msn.com
Thank you Gregg
- 63.233.8.165 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:37:44 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
beverly, i know exactly what you mean
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:42:29 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
http://gottschee.de/ will take you to an excellent gottschee site with loads and loads of great info, pix, stories, music, etc. there's an excellent history of the volksgruppe by erich petschaur under the history tab. if you don't read german click the british flag in the upper left corner for an english version.
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:47:13 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
William I just sent you an email

- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:51:21 (UTC)

Beverly:
It seems to me that one of the things that I am seeing is the huge amout of talent that the people of Gottsheer have that just comes naturally. I know that may sound pompous but by golly I think that it is true! Can anyone else make tunes come from a blade of grass between your thumbs? Or have a squirrel come to the door and feed it nuts? I grew up with all this and never knew it was Gottschee.
- 63.233.8.165 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:52:17 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Beverly, I am impressed with the squirrel feeding comment. My mother is a first generation American Gottscheer and used to do this all the time, until my dad got on to her about rabies and stuff. Made mom mad that she had to quit. She used to open the front door and the squirrels would come up on the step and eat nuts right out of her hand as she kept the door cracked open. Dad was afraid too they would come running into the house. Now she has a squirrel feeder hanging on the big Oak tree out front.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:56:16 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
this is spooky - my mother still does that thing with the squirrels. (she was born in gottschee; i'm the first of my family born in the usa).
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:58:43 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
got the email gregg...and replied as well
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 05:59:13 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Got to hit the bed, morning is coming quickly. Goodnight everybody.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 06:04:42 (UTC)

Beverly:
Our squirrel was named Jimmy and we too would just crack open the door and Jimmy wood come for nuts. I even have pictures! I am finding out the things I took for granted were a part of something much larger. Had no idea till this past 6 months. I also found out about an old nasty bearded man that came out of our cellar door and made the most terrible sounds at Christmas time....he was the Krampas...I think that was his name. I only saw him whn I was bad and I guess that was often. :)
- 63.233.8.165 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 06:07:05 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Beverly, I just emailed you and it came back as undeliverable. You can email me at gregglickteig@comcast.net and I'll send you a short story.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 06:17:25 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
good night all
- 66.81.145.234 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 06:31:06 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly...I was like you. I had never heard of Gottschee until I discovered that was were my Peschel great-grandparents came from. They came here in the 1880's and settled in Shelby Co,Iowa. Another branch of my Peschel family settled in Waterford Twp, Clinton Co, Iowa. There was a whole settlement of Gottscheer families there. The Gottscheer people started arriving in Waterford Twp around 1860. My Peschels were all from Tschernembl Parish, and mostly the town of Bistriz.
- 152.163.100.202 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 13:42:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
It's Monday morning in Toronto, and I'm sitting here, reading the later postings last evening, and laughing. First thing I do every morning is feed the squirrels in my backyard! I've got a whole army of them, and it takes two 5 lb bags of peanuts in the shell every week to keep them happy.... that's 52 weeks of the year!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 13:51:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Oh, my doctor suggested I stop feeding them out of my hand after a second one mistook my finger for a peanut!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 13:52:28 (UTC)

Christine of Las Vegas:
This is so interesting I never thought of feeding the squirles as a trait but I too fed the squirles. They got so they would come up the steps and scratch at the storm door for their peanuts. Since moving here I do not see any
squirles but we do have Rabbits ( Cotton tails ) and every
afternoon at 3p.m. here they come . I feed them. Of course the golf course doesn't like that..
- 198.81.26.14 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 18:00:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Just made some free time for myself to read the Sunday postings, and i was delighted to see the great activity.First time in a while....Just wanted to take a little time from a very busy day ahead of me-been at the desk since day break...Want to add my two cents about feeding the squirrels-if they get in your house, they will destroy it!!!I have seen it happen!!! And I also am going to ask "one" of my doctors, Hermas Mansouri if he is related to the Opera singer. My Mansouri is an excellent vascular surgeon....Have an excellent week everyone, and keep the PZ going.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 19:29:17 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
william of san francisco,I think we know each other.We meet already twice at the Gottscheer Kulturwoche Klagenfurt Austria do you remember?If this is a mistake please excuse. If you wold like to get in connction with me
the mail address is t.meditz@t-online.de

- 217.93.216.123 - Monday, January 10, 2005 at 20:16:51 (UTC)

Beverly:
Marilu...do you live in Iowa now? And if so where? I miss Iowa. I think there was a lot of the Gottscheer that moved to Iowa. According to my uncle, who spent a lot of time with his grandparents, it was the place to go if you wanted to farm....and they were right! Am interested if you are still there? Beverly
- 63.25.185.191 - Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 04:35:05 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly, I do not live in Iowa. My grandparents moved to Minnesota, both sides, and that is where my mom and dad met and married. Than I moved to Colorado almost 40 years ago. I have tons of relative in Iowa tho. I go back to Minnesota almost every summer, and have been in Iowa quite a bit for research the last few years.
- 64.12.116.197 - Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 14:13:36 (UTC)

Jim H:
Just wanted to comment on the squirrel situation --- I am split on the issue. I think feeding mammals is a big no no. They can become overly friendly and more will visit. Then your plantings around the house will start to look like lunch. I do have a weakness for feeding birds from a feeder. I enjoy seeing them flit around and they never go for my rhododendrons or veggies. We even get hummingbirds in the Poconos.
- 152.163.101.13 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 01:35:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
You are absolutely right Jim, but my neighbours are ver pleased when my snowdrops suddenly pop up in their lawns! I did stop feeding the raccoons, however, after they decided to follow our cat into the house a few times through her cat door. They understood.
- 64.229.5.149 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 02:20:21 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Had no clue when I mentioned the squirrels that I would start "The Acorn Uprising!" :) The squirrels used to be more friendly I think than the ones around today, perhaps? Maybe we should switch to the woodcarving....is that as popular? I just am trying to remember the things I learned from my grandparents. You all are wonderful and I like the chit-chat.
- 63.233.8.127 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 02:20:24 (UTC)

Marilu:
I have two squirrels that live in the trees in my yard, but I do not feed them. Used to feed the birds, but they were just food for the neighbors cats so quit that too.
- 152.163.100.197 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 03:39:25 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Marilu I had to take down my birdhouses that were hanging off the ends of the deck. Had chickadees that made a nest and eggs every year but I never saw the babies...last year found out why. Heard the most awful screeching of birds...just happened to be home. Looked out and had a Cotton Mouth snake slithering up the stairs and up the pole to the birdhouses. Don't know if you all have Cotton Mouths but they have a bad attitude. Went out with a hoe in hand and it took one look at me and I did the big back up into the house. Called my neighbor and together we chopped it's head off but not til it had crawled into the birdhouse....it was a time to get it out of there to kill it. I live in the country and have a large pond across the way and have been enjoying the migrating geese...thank you Canada!
- 63.233.9.131 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 03:53:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Beverly
Oh scarry about the snake. Yes here where we live the squirrels as well as the crows and the racoones are all after the birds eggs and I think the robins are particularly in danger of loosing theyre eggs and some times even theyre young to these other creetures because they do not place theyre nests in verry good locations, so I only feed the small birds and than only when all is covered in snow. And as far as the Canada geese I wish you would adopt them permanently.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 16:33:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Franz-Yes, I have experianced the same with the birds here on Long Island..I was an avid bird feeder-made a zillion bird houses and feeders, and hung them up all over the back yard.One famil and two family, and even apartment houses..Used to do a lot of bird photography...Dropping feed from feeders brought rats around-raccoons even graduated to breaking into my garbage cans for a late snack, and when I caught them, they looked at me loke "mind your own business"....Sooo, no more feeders-bird houses-photography...Aintt that a kick??
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 20:01:27 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
You got it Paul, appears to me you are discribing my life. Made bird houses and feeders for everyone and for my political party fund raising etc.I got tired of that, took up a little wood turning really enjoy doing that; instant gratification.
Made small bowls,jewelery boxes,pens, pepper mills and so on. That work is a little dusty, not good for the lungs but lots of fun. My wife says I must find a hobby that does not entail inhaling sawdust so I am thinking of cutting and polishing stones,jade or that type of thing, you know that girls like to wear around their necks etc. My wife says I would be trading wood dust for rock dust but I say it doesn't make as much dust. So far haven't started anything new since I gave up the wood turning, just thinking about it.
- 24.69.255.236 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 21:20:37 (UTC)

Beverly:
Do you know the most unusual thing happened to us last summer...I had flower baskets hanging off the deck and much to our surprise a dove made a nest in one and hatched 2 eggs. I thought it was really unusual but went on line to see if anyone else has reported same and yes sir there were many! I am told the doves will position their nests just as close as they can to humans as they feel it safer! She scared the be-jeebers out of me the first time I went to water taht plant before I knew she was there!
- 63.233.9.121 - Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 23:27:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Beverly-Yes the doves do like you say...But I don't know how smart that is..They make nest on two of my room air conditioners, and since I can't stand guard out there all day, they lose out to the predators. I managed once to save two of their new born by picking them off the ground after a squirrel attack, and believe it or not, the mommy came back and nursed them till they were able to fly the coop! I always heard that once the featherless chicks are touched by human hands, the parents never go near them again--NOT TRUE!!! Have a nice evening Beverly....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 00:49:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz-We have a lot in common..I did all that too. I have all the dremel tools, which are now probably rusting in the basement..I made most of my bird houses out of plastic, but that dust is not much better than wood.Funny, I wanted to do the stones too, but never got around to it.. I guess the computor is my hobby now-But I putin a lot less time on it than i did tne other hobbies--This office work is really time consuming.Adie 7 I started at seven this morning, and we are still at it!!Now my break is over, so i gotta get back to the coal mine....Stay well--have a good evening..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 01:00:15 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
At my family reunion last summer I learned my great uncle John Tramposch used to break a small limb off of a tree and whittle small toys out of them. He immigrated to the US when he was about 12 so he must have learned this pretty young in Hohenegg.
- 69.242.161.158 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 01:07:46 (UTC)

Trix:
The whistles in Gottschee were very popular. Stories have been written about them. I am still look for a good photo of a Gottscheer crafted whistle. I believe it had to be a certain tree. Good sharing Gregg.
- 209.240.245.148 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 01:54:09 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Gregg, thanks for the email...very enlightning. I see that you are in Blue Springs...won a golf tourney there once. We moved to Tulsa from Overland Park and for a while I managed the Fine Jewelry dept in the Dillards in the mall in Independence...it was a long hike everyday from OP!. Are you a Chiefs fan? We try to make it to one game a year. Beverly
- 63.233.9.107 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 03:13:50 (UTC)

Beverly:
By the way have you woodworkers thought about doing gourds...I grew my own which is very easy and then dry them and you can make all kinds of things...including birdhouses. I kept a few but sold them mostly and it is quite amazing the things you can make.
- 63.233.9.107 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 03:22:45 (UTC)

Beverly:
The reason I suggested the gourds is that the dust is considerably less than wood and it is as easy as wood to work with. Just a matterm of getting the hang of it.
- 63.233.9.107 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 03:23:58 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: WE CAN SEE THE CLOCK!!!!!! Its wonderful. right now it says 6:54:33 on January 13/2004. Right now it is 10:57 pm on January 12, 2005 here. This is great Helmuth.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 06:56:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: The clock just disappeared. What are doing to me????. Also it was January 13, 2005 I made a typo and hit the 4.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 06:59:01 (UTC)

Ridy:
Just want to give you a bizarre weather report from Toronto - It is 17C or 63F here today. Keep in mind that Toronto is in Canada, eh?
- 64.229.5.149 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 19:11:13 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Eh Ridy that should be our temparature I insist you courier it imidiatly.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 19:51:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Time for me to give you the weather report from Waukenabo. We have -14°F as of now with strong north wind. The temperature is going down to -25°F tonight with a wind chill of up to -40°F. I have no idea what we did to deserve this gift. You better believe it, this Gottscheerin ain't going anywhere. Have a nice wood fire going, tea at hand and am working on the envelopes for the mailing of the next issue of the Gottscheer Connection newsletter. BRRRRRRR is the perfect word for the day. This will not end until Monday, they say.

Thank you Ridy for your report. I would love that temperature about now.
- 209.240.245.151 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 19:52:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Would you believe 61 in lower New York? But is rainy-foggy-and disgusting..And to add insult to injury(or vice versa) I am going to the dentist....Make the most of the rest of the day folks....Stay safe & warm...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 21:10:33 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Kansas City is seeing first day of sunshine this year!! It's been something like 2 or 2 1/2 weeks of clouds straight. Now we're getting some of Trix's cold as it will be single digits F tonight and a high of 11F tommorrow.
- 69.242.161.158 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 22:39:32 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Beverly, am I a who fan? Oh yea, the Chiefs. After this season I almost forgot who they were. Between them and our Royals baseball who had worst record this past season in league history I'm really yearning for some good sports to come here. They are talking basketball team now because of a new arena being built in the middle of downtown KC. Unfortunately, this city just has a hard time keeping quality teams, and especially players.
- 69.242.161.158 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 22:45:06 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Beverly, I lived in Overland Park a long time. Grew up there. My wife lived in Blue Springs when we met so this is where I ended up. I still commute to Shawnee for work, about 32 miles each way. My sister lives in Edmund outside OKC and my wife's uncle lives in Tulsa. I was down there last 4 of July.
- 69.242.161.158 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 22:48:45 (UTC)

From the Windy City:
Trix, I used to make those whistles. They were made from the branches of what we called Weide, I think and it had to be cut late spring or early summer.
- 68.73.251.110 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 23:02:25 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all: I used to make those whistles (from willow branches) while I sat and watched over the cows in the fields in Mitterdorf. We also made trumpets out of the bark of (I think) Linden trees. Gregg is right, they had to be cut while they still had a lot of sap.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 23:36:47 (UTC)

Trix:
OK Franz from Vancouver and Franz from the Windy City - do either of you still have a Gottscheer whistle? If not, could you still make them? Wouldn't it be nice to have some at one of our Gottscheer meetings? Hope you are both doing well along with poor Paul, who had to go to the dentist. And Gregg, enjoy the cool weather. Hope I didn't miss anyone. Brrrrrrr here.
- 209.240.245.140 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 23:47:38 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix: I don't have one. Could I still make one hmmmmmm. I will have to think about that. I really wouldn't mind trying so I will check around for a willow tree and just maybe I will give it a try and show my Grandkids how it was done and mail you the finished product (if it turns out worthwhile)and if it doesn't at least I will have tried.
- 24.69.255.236 - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 23:52:24 (UTC)

Beverly:
Yes Gregg I know its been a hard year. I still am wondering why they brought Gunther back and then did not give him any new blood??? As to the Royals...its a shame. I knew some of the guys from the team in the early eighties and that was when it was awesome. When in Edmond did you go into the city to see the Memorial?
- 63.233.11.154 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 00:09:14 (UTC)

Beverly:
I guess I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that we had a tornado watch yesterday and 70 degrees...today a notrth wind and 30. Thats Oklahoma!
- 63.233.11.154 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 00:11:03 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
We have a clock!!!!! Hope it stays this time.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 00:36:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
I do have a Gottscheer whistle, thanks to my cousin Hilda Koenig, whom you know, Trix. I am not sure who gave it to Hilda as a memento, but she gave it to me a few years ago. One of these days, when I have a camera that actually works, I shall take a photo of it. I used to watch my cousins make them in Kukendorf..... They would tap the bark on the twig they were using, until it slid off in one piece. That's as much as I remember. Funny, I always thought they used the twigs from hazelnut bushes. False memory, obviously.
- 64.229.5.149 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 01:27:34 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes, Ridy you got it. But you know I keep thinking we used willow or linden I am just not sure it has been such a long time. I think I would know it when I see it. I do remember that I had to cut a hole in it to create the whistle and then by moving the twig in and out you could change the pitch.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 03:03:59 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
The clock has disappeared again. It is 7:04 Pacific Standard time and it has stopped snowing but is quite cold (for us) I think its about -5 C.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 03:07:11 (UTC)

Beverly:
Franz have you ever read Alice in Wonderland? Its beginning to sound alot like the Mad Hatter
- 63.233.11.141 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 04:49:56 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Beverly: I was beginning to feel like the Mad Hatter, but guess what!!, just a little while ago my wife figured out how to get the clock. Just turn off Norton Ad Blocking and the clock will appear. Of course I already got one of those annoying pop-up ads but what the heck I see the clock!!!.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 05:22:53 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, how was your dentist appointment?. Were you able to eat anything or did you get the freezing thing that we all look forward to.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 05:26:21 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gregg: I have a distant cousin who lives, I think in Overland Park. And I think she works at a Shawnee hospital. Her name is Emily Jansen. And guess what everyone, I have 3 Linden trees in my yard. They are beautiful in the spring, but the messiest trees I have ever seen. Drop those seed leaves all summer. I was surprised when I found out a few years ago that they grew in Gottschee.
- 64.12.116.68 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 13:44:36 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks for your comments about the Linden Tree. You are right, they are an honored species in the former Gottschee. Also, I am pretty sure that the "seed leaves" were made into tea and a major refreshment in every Gottscheer home.
Great sharing Marilu. Thank you.
- 209.240.245.87 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 15:36:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz, I thank you for your concern.Left the dentist, and my wife and I went directly out to dinner...Going to my dentist is a musical experience-he knows the history of every musician alive, and between the dvds and the cds and his vast knowledge, it is an intersting visit every time... Oh, and I must add that he is a pretty good dentist too-HA HA HA!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 19:57:34 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Great memory about the linden tree. I seem to recall that getting the leaves for linden tea was a major 'coup' for my mother and grandmother because it wasn't easily available in Ridgewood.
- 24.3.227.190 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 21:08:34 (UTC)

Marilu:
So did they boil the seed also or just the leaves. Or did they pick the leaves when the bloom was still on them.
- 64.12.116.67 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 22:23:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Re Linden tea -- We used to call it Linden Blüten Tee = which would indicate that it's made of the blossoms of the Linden tree. Not sure about this.... Do your trees have blossoms on them before the seeds, Marilu?
- 64.229.5.149 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 22:57:59 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Yes Beverly, I went to the OKC Memorial a couple of years ago. But for some reason we just pulled up to it and didn't get out of the car. Don't know why. My sister worked in a nearby hospital when the Fed building was bombed and it was a mess! My little brother was born at Shawnee Misssion Medical Center where your cousin works. It wasn't built yet when I was born.
- 69.242.161.158 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 23:01:51 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Okay, so does anyone know if these Linden Trees are considered a hardwood or softwood tree? Ice, lighting and winds have taken out 8 trees in my yard over the last 7 years and I am going tree shopping in the spring. Maybe I'll plant a Linden or two! What else do we know about them. Just how messy are these seed leaf droppings?
- 69.242.161.158 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 23:05:16 (UTC)

Trix:
I am pretty sure that you are right Ridy, it was called Linden Blüten Tee. I can still see the leaves being dried on a table outdoors. I think that this tea was also a healing tea. Whether it is hardwood or softwood I do not know but I am sure there must all kinds of information on t he internet. I know you can buy the tee.
- 216.251.169.147 - Friday, January 14, 2005 at 23:22:31 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Looked around the internet a bit for linden trees, it looks like they had therapeutic uses also, in addition to tea. They built plows and other stuff from them also. Carvings are very common from them. Go to www.lindentree.com to see some remarkable (and large) carvings done from these trees.
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 00:11:08 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Gregg, thanks, that was certainly worth a look.Some people are so talented. I have never done any carving, just wood turning. The carvings are beautiful.We had a Linden tree in Tschermoschnitz in front of the church and in the summer when the leaves were out it looked so huge. The blossoms perfum was breathtaking. On special church holidays the vendors would display their wares under the tree which provided them with shade. I still recall that when I was being confirmed my sponsor gave me a choice to pick anything from these tables. I picked a pocket knife and a small pistol that you could load with corks. They would make a great bang so as kids we loved this. The pocket knife was made in Sarajevo.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 02:42:57 (UTC)

Marilu:
Yes, Ridy. The trees are covered with blossoms and smell heavenly. First the pollen falls off, and the whole lawn is yellow from it. Then the blossoms fall, and the seeds form. Then the seed leaves fall for the rest of the summer. I would never plant another one, but neither would I cut mine down. They are messy, messy, messy.
- 64.12.116.72 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:03:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Vancouver Franz. The Lindenbaum in front of the church of Maria Himmelfahrt in Tschermoschnitz, which was 300 years old someone told me, was cut back quite a bit this past year.A new was planted right along side of it. By the way, there is a bench around the perimeter of the baum and a good place to sit and relax.
- 216.251.169.147 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:09:20 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Bamboo is very messy too but I have a backyard full and wouldn't trade it for any other type of privacy fencing. We also have 7 or 8 Rhododenrums and they are even messier almost all year so to me the Linden didn't seem that bad. And it is a softwood.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:11:15 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well I went looking for the Linden tree and found out it is Basswood...I did not realize that it was one and the same...Basswood is what I used to carve clocks and such...beautiful wood to word with.
- 63.233.86.221 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:17:47 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Sorry that was meant to say, work with.
- 63.233.86.221 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:19:25 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Gregg,I should warn you that they can grow very, very big. The base of the one that Trix and I are refering to is about 5 to 6 feet in diameter at the base. Mind you as Trix said it is hundreds of years old, but maybe just plant one.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:20:31 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hey I am not meaning to change the subject but I got an email worth sharing today and I am going to pass along the info...how to recognize a stroke victim. If you suspect: 1. Ask the person to smile 2. ask him/her to raise both arms 3. ask person to speak a simple sentence. If the person cannot do any ONE of these...call 911 immediately. Just wanted everyone to know.
- 63.233.86.221 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:23:58 (UTC)

Ridy:

The Village Square
by Albert Belay

The village songs drifted so gently,
so soft on the evening air;
the voices of maidens enticing
young lads their beauty to share.

On a bench, as they listened, two sweethearts
by the linden remember so well
how long, long ago as young lovers
they had plighted their troth ‘neath its spell.

On that square in Gottschee ‘neath that linden
how I yearn one of those to have been;
for abroad in the cold world of exile
I have never fulfilled my life’s dream.

Whenever I hear Gottscheers singing,
I am carried back home on their song;
my heart bursts with joy and with sadness:
It both weeps, and sings out loud and long.

- 64.229.5.149 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:41:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
‘s Platsle. . . .
by Albert Belay

Schubaisch du khlingƏnt dƏ LiƏdlain
boich ibƏr’s Dearfle ahin,
lökhintƏ SchtimmƏn von DiƏrndlain
ludnt dƏ PüƏbm a in.

Hant af a Pankhlain, tsboi Autai,
lishnt tsƏn Lintnpam hin
bu shi voar JuƏrn shai poadai
gearn a tsƏnondƏr hont vünn.

Dört, af en Platslain pain PamƏ
barait a i gearn gƏban,
hon ubƏr oll mainƏ TramƏ
hin in dƏ Barlt mit mischt nam.

Hear i Göttscheabarisch shingƏn
pin i ahoimƏ nöch haint,
‘s HartsƏ lai bill mƏr tsƏschpringen,
‘s rearƏt, ubƏr shingƏt döch laüt.

- 64.229.5.149 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:44:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You guys just beat me to the punch. I called cousin Frank Jaklitsch in Florida brfore to tell him aboyt the lindentrees and the whistles, because i know he and his grand father used to make them..And he was surprised that the linden tea (provounced tay) was not mentioned---so I was going to mention it now , and show off, but you all beat me to it..Have a safe=warm-pleasant wekend everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:44:46 (UTC)

Marilu:
Ridy, beautiful poem. I knew there was another name for the tree, and couldn't remember it, but it is basswood. My trees are about 35 years old, and tall.
- 64.12.117.10 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:45:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
Couldn't resist posting the poem by Albert Belay (translation by my husband) of the role the linden tree played in the village square - along with the bench under it, of course....
Wonder why the upside-down 'e' changes size when I post it on here?
- 64.229.5.149 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:46:18 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Way to go Ridy!!!!.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:47:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I see that everybody is up late tonite---have to finish some paper work now...Good Night and God Bless
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:55:53 (UTC)

Beverly:
Does anyone know about tossing coins at Easter eggs on Easter norning...or rather the elders doing the tossing?
- 63.233.86.221 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 03:59:28 (UTC)

Ridy:
Certainly, Beverly! But in Gottschee it was done on Easter Monday, if I recall correctly. Whoever got their coin to stick in the egg, got to keep and eat the egg (I think)
- 64.229.5.149 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:10:11 (UTC)

Beverly:
Yes! and if it did not stick in the egg we got to keep the coin!
- 63.233.86.221 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:13:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hey, at the rate we're going, we'll still be here on Sunday. I'm in the New York time zone and it's past my bed time. See'ya all next time. :)
- 64.229.5.149 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:15:24 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Holy Moly its about -50 degrees here. You don't dare go outside without being bundled up. Well I guess thats typical weather for this time of the year.
- 199.243.152.98 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:23:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sharon, I have forgotten where you live. I sure don't want to live there -50? is that possible? or do you live in the land of the midnight sun.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:28:23 (UTC)

Trix :
Another memory of the Linden Baum in Tschermoschnitz:

That huge linden-tree is well remembered and the vendors underneath it.
Begging our parents for a few Dinars to buy an orange or some other sweets
on a Sunday morning, or other Holiday, was a delight for us kids. Playing games like
throwing coins at an orange with the owner of it keeping the coins if they
did not stick, otherwise the thrower got the Orange.
Mother and the kids usually attended mass while father had a glass or two
of wine at one of the "Gasthauses" and did some chatting with his friends and
neighbors. Getting a bottle of a fizzing "Kracherl" from Father before going home
was another treat.
Greetings from friend

- 216.251.169.147 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:28:27 (UTC)

Trix :
Yes, Vancouver Franz, it is going to be -50°F at Waukenabo too. Unbelievable but not all that rare. It is just that we have been spoiled rotten the last few years. First time ever that I hate this cold stuff BUT, spring is just arund the corner. YIPPEE. Gute Nacht und schlaft gut.
- 216.251.169.147 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:33:57 (UTC)

Trix:
One more.... Ridy, THANK YOU for the beautiful poem and THANK YOU to your husband for another excellent translation. We appreciate his fine work.
- 216.251.169.147 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:35:37 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Franz. I live just north of Trix on the Border.
- 199.243.152.98 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:38:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I couldn't imagine living in the land of midnight sun.
- 199.243.152.98 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:42:30 (UTC)

Beverly:
Just in case you don't know that poem is in Ridy's book on page 97 and if you do not have her book you all need to order it... she is amazing.
- 63.233.86.221 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 04:49:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Question: Does anyone remember a Tiefkracken Tree in Gottschee? We had one in our yard, it is still standing and producing bushels of its fruit. Is the fruit (looked like a very small apple to me) in t he apple family? Loved to eat them but have not had one since I was a very young child.
- 216.251.169.147 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 05:12:46 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Its not a Crabapple tree is it...I cannot imagine eating a crabapple that was not made into jelly or jam...or a persimmom?
- 63.233.10.9 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 05:21:00 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Hello Franz of Vancouver,
the Linden tree doesn't exist in the front of the Tschermoschnitzer church any more. But they did plant a new one just about 4. meters besite the old rood's.I still remember too,it was really breathaking perfume to smell when wee whore standing under the tree on Sunday after the 10.O clock church service.And the Men, his name was Oberster and he did announce the district news of all weekto the people which were standing all around him and listen to his pubications.Wee have good wheter for this time of the year in Austria and Germany a lot of sunshine
by by until next.
- 217.93.227.110 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 14:29:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hallo Ted wie geht es in Deutschland hast du schon schnapps gekocht ? It is good to hear from you, we need more news from you people on the other side of the atlantic. I am always interested to hear and see what is going on .
yes if that tree could only speak what a story that would be.
of all the weddings ,babtisems and begrebnises etc.over the 600 years .you know I served as an alter boy in that church. I still recall having to go every morning in the freezing cold some time there were only 2 people at the mass I remmber one little lady she never missed a day ,in the freezing snow she would come from Maschelein which was quite a long walk, first down the hill across the little river by our house than up the hill on the other side past Trixes parents house and to the church. In church it was so cold you could see your breath. So Ted stay in touch please and have a nice evening.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 16:47:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
William of San Francisco -
Hope you're listening to the Metropolitan Opera's (Saturday Afternoon at the Opera) Les Contes d'Hoffmann - a vintage performance - and absolutely first class!

- 64.229.5.149 - Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 19:07:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia I would like to thank you for the tape it is just marvelous. the bells brought back memories they sound just as they always did.
you know it is quite an art to play those bells it is not just a matter of pulling the ropes . Meschna hansche could almost make them sing . of course it is all done in the bell tower the sound is just awsome when you stand next to them and this huge thing swings back and forth while he works the ding dong of the other smaller ones . [ ding dong for lack of a better word.]
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, January 16, 2005 at 02:55:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Sunday Morning. It is -27°F at Waukenabo at the moment. This is getting very, very old. We have been spoiled the last few years. In fact, about 3 or 4 years ago I was taking the lawn on New Years day and hanging out the laundry. What happened to the good, old days?

Stay warm everyone and enjoy the day. GO VIKING GO!!!!
- 216.251.169.1 - Sunday, January 16, 2005 at 17:27:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz-good Sunday to you...I think the bell ringer is called the clapper.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 16, 2005 at 18:27:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yep, just checked the dictionary-clapper is described as the tongue of the bell....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 16, 2005 at 18:34:41 (UTC)

Trix:
After we arrived in NY from Bremerhafen on April 16, 1952 we continued on to St. Paul, MN by train. On the ticket there is referie to Erie. Am I to assume that the train may gone through Erie, PA? Can anyone clarify that for me please? Thank you.
- 216.251.169.143 - Sunday, January 16, 2005 at 22:44:09 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening everyone! We are getting dumped on again in Cleveland. Yesterday it was sunny and crisp, during the night it snowed and was miserable all day.

Trix, you came to Ny on my birthday and a month after we came to NY, also from Bremerhafen on March 15, 1952. WE came to Cleveland and have been here since then.

Ridy, thanks for the poem about the Lindenbaum, it is pretty. You have so many nice things that you share with the rest of us. Keep up the good work.

Have a good evening and will talk to you again.

- 152.163.100.197 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 01:21:01 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hello everyone. Okay here goes a poem that my grandparents used to say and I know I am going to obliterate this but here is what my ear heard when I was little...what I am asking is if one of you can give me the real way to say and spell it so I can add it to my memory book. Please, this will be rough
A bates say katz louft in shrey,shnay get vecht, katz louft in decht....I hope it means what I always said in english,
abc cat walks in snow,snow goes away,cat walks in mud. I hope I didn't say anything offensive!

- 63.233.11.242 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 01:46:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
ABC, die Katze lauft im Schnee, Schnee geht weg, die Katze lauft im Dreck.
Exactly what you thought it was!
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 01:53:29 (UTC)

Ridy:
Actually, I think the last bit is "die Katze liegt im Dreck" (the cat lies in the mud) It was a rhyme one of my grandmothers said as well and we played some sort of game with it but at the moment I can't recall what it was. Does anyone else know it?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 01:56:58 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Thanks Ridy I appreciate it.
- 63.233.11.242 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 01:59:30 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend from this deep freeze called KCMO. Warming trend next week, maybe in the 30's. At least the ice has
melted and we're not sliding all over town. Pray for an early spring. However, I know other parts of US have much colder temps - eg Fargo, ND I missed last week. Sorry. Anything exciting happen?
- 4.244.192.228 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 02:09:53 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening all
- 199.243.152.236 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 03:19:14 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
I am sorry all of Minnesota...I saw your boys lose today to the Eagles...I am having a time of it trying to find a team to cheer on...my Chiefs didn't show up this year and now I lose Minnesota!
- 63.233.11.242 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 03:22:10 (UTC)

Beverly:
I am just kind of testing...puzzled as to why I am the only one on here...feel like I am in the Twilight Zone! Have I been expelled? Where did everyine go tonight?
- 63.233.11.242 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 04:49:33 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
It is Ok Bev I am here just got my computer back, my wife thought she would fix somthing for me and it took her all after noon to get it back to the way it was. No fix. Well that is how it goes sometimes.I think everybody has been watching football and now the loosers are crying in their beer.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 05:09:36 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well thank you Franz. I was wondering where everyone went! Hope everyone has a good week. Stay warm and cozy.Thanks Franz
- 63.233.8.129 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 05:44:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
good night all you pumpkins
it has warmed up some what the snow is going away and I think we are going to have a dirty cat.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 07:24:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning from Waukenabo. We had -38°F this morning!!! Imagine that BUT will have 20 above tomorrow. YIPPEE!!!!
- 216.251.169.37 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 16:54:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi, everyone

Just thought I would say hello. I'm still battling cancer. There will be an ovarian cancer blood test out in a year or two. I urge every woman to get this test. Ovarian cancer is a silient killer. There is not much warning that a woman has this type of cancer. It is very often not diagnosed until it is in its advanced stages. It takes six months for ovarian cancer to go from stage 1 (early disease - good prognosis) to stage 3 - advanced disease - poor prognosis.) I wish you all to be healthy and happy. On my good days I'm still looking for Eisenzopfs originally from Hohenegg.
- 69.202.2.250 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 18:06:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
How wonderful to hear from you Irene, and to hear that you are still battling the 'silent killer'. It is a battle I truly hope you will eventually win, and to that end I send you warmest best wishes. May you enjoy good health again very soon! We've missed you in the Plauderzimmer.
Do I remember correctly that your son was studying in Europe? Has he returned to the U.S. by now?
- 64.229.5.149 - Monday, January 17, 2005 at 19:27:00 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello Irene. It's good to hear from you. I was thinking of you yesterday, and here you are. Keep in touch and take one day at a time.
- 206.172.22.240 - Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 04:37:06 (UTC)

PAUL b.:
IRENE: ADIE AND IWISH YOU ALL THE BEST FOR THE NEW YEAR.
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 00:11:27 (UTC)

Jim H:
Irene, good to hear from you and best wishes for you in the New Year.

Trix, the media in NY are making a big thing out of a little cold snap. Nothing compared to the slight chill you are having in Vikings country.

- 64.12.117.6 - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 05:14:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Thank you all for your kind messages. Ridy, my son spent a semester in Florence. He has since graduated from college. He and a few of his colleagues have established a film comopay. Among other things the company has made two FatBoy Slim music videos which are doing well. You can check out his comopany web page at http://waverlyfilms.com/
- 69.202.2.250 - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 14:07:51 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Hello to everybody in the PZ and Frank of Vancouver,
Ja.letzte Woche habe ich meinen Schnaps von der Schnapsdestelation bekommen.15 liters Quiten english (quince)and 40 liters pear (Birnen) Schnaps.That's 65 liter all together that's enough for the rest of my life.
I do sell that alcohol to some friens too.I wis a great day all together Ted
- 217.93.222.216 - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 14:20:28 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Ted oh man I feel a party coming on, you have enough liquid there for the whole PZers.
PROSIT. Alles gutes Ted.
- 70.68.172.48 - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 15:10:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello everyone-snowing here in bethpage-n.y.--Complements of Ridy, I think.....We love ya' anyway Ridy..Didn't keep us from going to Bella Napoli, after taking our echo cardiograms.. But now we are back in our nice warm house..Stay well everyone and be careful...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 22:23:36 (UTC)

Beverly:
So you can make Schnapps in Germany and its legal? Wow.
- 63.233.8.110 - Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 04:26:11 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Yes Beverly,yes it is legal in Germany, you cam make Schnaps as much you wounded.All you have to do paying tax.For 65 liters of Schnaps you have to pay 140 € and in addition 110 € for the laborer. That was it,yes I would like to invite allparticipants of the PZ for a glass Schnaps to drink (for a little party )
- 217.93.241.126 - Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 09:54:16 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello to all of my PZ friends. I'm glad to say that our cold snap seems to be over for the time being...Trix was right...38 below is too cold to do anything. 16 glorious degrees today (downright balmy.) I'll have to look into purchasing some Schnaps if the subzero temps return.
- 69.179.26.190 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 00:17:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy-Make yourself a nice hot cappucinno and add a shot of Kahula-----You will warm up very nicely...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 00:26:25 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hey Paul, that sounds good, but then so does Schnaps. Either should warm you up Nancy.
- 70.68.172.48 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 02:27:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Franz-Have to tell you this story-Inmy restaurant many moons ago, I tended bar in the A.M. I had two gentlemen that were retired that used to come in every morning,They ordered coffeem but they could not hold that cup of java without trembling.So I used to pour in a shot of booze in each cup-two cups-two shots and they were steady abd ready to start their day---True Story,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 04:49:14 (UTC)

Regina:
Hi, to all.
My mother use to make schnaps out of Italian Plums.
She just used a canning pot and of course didn't make
much at a time. She would cook it in the middle of the
night, since it is illegal in canada.
She added juniper berries to flavour it since it is
very clear, just like water but very nice.
She has long since passed away and I never did learn
how to make it.
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 08:38:17 (UTC)

Helmuth:
My Opa Staudacher used to set up his still in the bathtub in Ridgewood...also illegal but he figured, who would look in the bathroom?
- 170.201.180.35 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 13:19:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: My Father-In-Law Jaklitsch also used his bathtub-had one in his cellar-----P.S. He got caught!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 16:15:45 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, was he prosecuted/sentenced/etc? Tell us the story, please! I remember too, my parents and grandparents telling us not to tell anyone about the still or discuss it with anyone.
- 170.201.180.35 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 18:02:34 (UTC)

Helmuth:
"Prompaen brennen" is what they called it. Literally, burning whiskey.
- 170.201.180.35 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 18:04:03 (UTC)

Ridy:
Can't resist to add my 2-cents worth to your stories...
To start with, it's illegal to make your own Schnapps in Canada. So to make sure that nobody could 'smell' what my father was doing in the basement, my mother always fried liver and onions on days when he was 'burning' the Schnapps, and the ratio was probably about 10 parts onion to 1 part liver!!! You could smell those onions all over the neighbourhood!
My brother-in-law had father's copper still (made for him by the same chap who had made his stills in Kukendorf)duplicated in special glass for his research lab!!! He then proceeded to make Schnapps in the Lab while running other experiments along-side it!
- 64.229.5.149 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 19:25:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, boy, another interesting Gottscheer topic. Don't you just love them? My dad, too, made Schnapps or Prumpein in our basement in Minnesota. I think it was illegal too. He had this beautiful copper still that he bought from an old German. I am sorry that he sold it when they moved north. Would have been a wonderful item to remind us of LIFE IN GOTTSCHEE. Yes, Paul, tell us what happened?

Snowing heavy. We are looking at 8 inches or so. I am ready for spring.
- 209.240.245.105 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 19:35:17 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I really enjoy this discussion. It seems everyone had a distiller in the family. I guess that is where my granddad got his affinity for ethanol based products.

Ridy, I would have steered clear of your house. I never liked the taste of liver (except in liverwurst which I love). The cooked variety was one of my least favorite meals at home.
- 205.188.116.135 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 22:52:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim, dahlink - who said anything about eating it????
but I also love liverwurst!
- 64.229.5.149 - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 23:28:21 (UTC)

Beverly:
So.... I remembered Ridy had a secton in her book on making
Schnapps and as I was reading...I thought, hmmmmm, maybe I could try this and then got to the second burning and found out that that the first flow,too strong to drink was a great disinfectant! I decided, I will obey Oklahoma laws and not get my self in a jam. :)
- 63.233.86.151 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 00:17:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Reminiscing about liver - there was nothing quite as delicious the liver from a newly butchered pig. My mom really knew how to cook it.
- 209.240.237.171 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 00:22:38 (UTC)

Beverly:
Jim, how can anyone not like liver and onions! Start with frying bacon and then dress the liver and fry in bacon grease with all those wonderful onions!
- 63.233.86.151 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 00:25:31 (UTC)

Nancy:
The city of West St Paul sent my mother pictures of a building before it was torn down. This building was the first home for my grandparents after arriving in Minnesota. They found many beer barrels hidden in the cellar with hoses attached for dispensing to patrons. I had always heard that my grandfather ran a speakeasy and now have the proof. By day he was a buthcer in the same "store" but eventually went to work for the railroad and moved into a proper house. The balmy weather has created a massive snow fall with blizzard warnings out for the entire state of Mn and western WI. Are you tucked in Trix with a fire keeping you warm? The drifts arent' allowing me to get anywhere so I'll just do some surfing tonight.
- 69.179.0.52 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 01:27:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
P.S. Paul....coffee with a bit of Irish Cream sounds great too. I've never tried your version but I will just as soon as the roads permit.
- 69.179.0.52 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 01:53:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I would say that about 10 inches of snow has fallen so far today and it hasn't stopped yet. Thank god for snowblowers.
Speaking of wooden barrels, we have my Grandfathers old barrel. I don't know how old it is, but I'm sure he used it for making booze or sauerkraut. It's pretty much falling apart but it still makes a nice plant holder. We must have had this for about 20 years now.
- 199.243.152.90 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 03:54:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Nancy, Irish cream is great in coffee-also great in summer mixed in a blender with ice cream. Adie thinks I am nuts, but i also pour all those things(not at the same sitting) iver any desserts that i eat!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 03:57:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry about the repeat posting, but i was typing in the saga of the moonshine and hit wrong button, and everything went nuts Solet me try again to tell you about the Prompaen caper...Adie was home alone with her brother Rudy when the Gendarme rushed in announcing the raid..They went down the cellar and pulled the plug out of several barrels and let the wine run down the drain in the cellar.There was no tubs down there as i previously reported...And I must add that there are no more living subjrcts that might give a better version of this.. But, Adie says they took her brother away and left her, as a little kid all alone in the house..Also they suspected that it was a neighbor across the street that blew the whistle on the operation..It was in nice house on 64th Lane in Glendale-all private one family homes..Anyway they took rudy away, but he returned home the next day..My guess is that my father-in-law paid some sort of small fine if anything, and here is the kicker, they did not destroy one single bottle of various schnapps-cordials-like rock & rye and all that good fruity stuff..THEY TOOK ALL THE BOTTLES OF WHICH I AM LED TO BELIEVE WAS AS MUCH AS ANY LIQUOR STORE COULD HOLD!!!! So it is not difficult to figure out why there were no formal charges..The cops had enough booze to keep tham happy for a long time, as I am told it happened around the Christmas holidays...And what I learned about that Prct, years later, I think my conception of what happened can not be far from wrong....But that is another whole story....THE END.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 04:31:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way Helmuth, you mentioned yourr Oma Staudacher.Are you familiar with the Kumps and StaudAcher that lived in Glendale near Hermanns hardware? John and Rose Kump and George and fannie Staudacher??
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 04:37:49 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi everyone. Yes, about 8 inches is here so far and still coming down. I must admit it is beautiful and so very, very quiet and white. Yes, I hauled lots of logs today Nancy and the fire is nice and cozy and warm. Daughter Maria just called and she made it home in Duluth. So, time to call it a day. Stay warm everyone.

Nancy, when we arrived in St. Paul in 1952 we also lived on the West side of St. Paul. My grandfather Franz Stalzed lived on S. Robert Street near Annapolis; we had our first apartment at State and Concord and I worked at the Riverview Memorial Hospital for a number of years. Small world isn't it? I graduated from SSP High School in 1954.
- 209.240.237.171 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 04:38:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good nite every one and pleasant dreams...And a great weekend to all.We are expecting a ton of snow ourselves..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 04:42:10 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, what a story! Just out of curiosity, about what year was this? I can't imagine how Rudy must have felt, being carted away from his home and sister. Thanks for relating the story. I would hope we're a little more enlightened than the days of prohibition...some days I wonder.

Snowing hard here Saturday morning. Have a good weekend everyone and be safe.
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 12:33:42 (UTC)

Helmuth:
By the way I should mention that the Gottschee Bulletin Board had a major spam event yesterday. As a result you can only view posts right now, you can't post any new entries. Anyone who wants to add a new entry can email me directly with the details for now.

This doesn't affect this room (the PZ) at all.
- 24.3.227.190 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 12:43:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good morning helmuth. The year was 1929, give or take a year either way,according to Adie.When I think about it, gee, if she was six I was only five years old, and a million dreams away from falling in love and becoming her husband....Who says time flies??Stay safe and warm everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 17:45:10 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Oh I just love these bootlegging stories! Grandpa Karl Tramposch did the same thing in his basement during prohibition. Mom tells me the authorities were closing in on him at one point so he signed his plumbing business and the house over to grandma in the event he got caught. He was afraid they would take everything from him. Never did get caught though. Years later grandma died and then of course he died some years later. Mom had a hard time selling the house because everything was still in grandma's name after all these years! But it all worked out.
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 21:32:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
they keep getting better..Come on folks, can you top this?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 21:57:18 (UTC)

Ridy:
I wish whoever is sending us all this snow would just stop it now - please! Send it to Buffalo! We won't mind - really - and Buffalo is used to it! And about the temperature - crank it up a lot, not just a bit!
- 64.229.5.149 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 02:02:37 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Ridy, I worked today, heard no news, and am wondering how much snow you have? I am sure my stepdaughter in Duluth is probably getting it too. I think it will be a great game tomorrow if it keeps up!
- 63.233.106.71 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 02:46:03 (UTC)

Jim H:
7 or so inches and counting. No big thing. Just stay indoors and relax. Perhaps open a bottle of "legal" wine for dinner tomorrow whilst the games are on. I doubt we will be going anywhere with another foot or so still in the offing.
- 205.188.116.69 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 03:30:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Bev, Duluth got 9 inches last night I believe. Our daughter lives in Duluth. Do you ever get up this way? Would love to meet you.
- 209.240.237.161 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 04:05:20 (UTC)

Beverly:
Yes I have been to Duluth to Andrea's wedding and it was June and I had on everything I owned! It is truly beautiful country. I used to like that weather better when I was young but now don't want any part of it. We get the kids to come our way!
- 63.233.8.32 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 04:21:04 (UTC)

Beverly:
Down here in Ok just a few inches closes the city down...our 1 or 2 snow plows can't handle it and the guys running them are not used to it so it just a mess...I have learned to just head home and like everyone here we just wait a day or 2 and it melts :)
- 63.233.8.32 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 04:23:33 (UTC)

Regina:
Good evening to all. I guess it's a little late here in Kamloops 11:27 pm.
Very interesting stories about Schnapps making!
It sure makes a nice nitecap.
We had lots of snow about a foot but the weather has turned very mild 11 degrees C. It has melted quite slowly so we in Kamloops had no flooding unlike some parts of Vancouver had.
Only thing the melting snow causes is alot of mud and sand on everything. A neighbour was washing his truck today.
Good night all.
- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 07:33:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Sunday everyone..The snow is over-the sun is brightly shining-hope everyone is safe and warm..God Bless...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 19:30:57 (UTC)

Marilu:
I guess I come by my like of schnapps rightly, peppermint is the best. Back to food. Do any of you make German potato salad. I don't remember my mom or anyone in the family ever making it. But I started making it about 30 years ago and everyone likes it, and thinks it is not a family get-together unless I make it.
- 64.12.116.11 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 19:31:05 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
HI MARILU---I PREFER THE GERMAN POTATOE SALAD TO THE SO CALLED REGULAR...IF I HAPPEN TO BE BUYING COLD CUTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DELI. I ALWAYS BUY THE GERMAN SALAD FOR ME AND THE OTHER FOR THE FAMILY.WE CAN'T ALL LIKE THE SAME THING, I GUESS...STAY WELL MARILU,,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 20:05:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
From my own experience, there are as many different versions of potato salad as there are cooks. My mother had her own version, and each of her 5 sisters had a different version. My kids can actually identify exactly which Tante made the potato salad! Go figure, eh? In the end it comes down to personal taste and the old saying "Hunger ist der beste Koch" (hunger is the best cook) was never more true.
- 64.229.5.149 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 20:26:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Ridy-as true as rain..It seems that the crummy weather brings everyone to the PZ...My mail system is snafued. If you get a chance, please send me an e-mail at my msn address. And Cuz, if it is really you that sent the snow down-hold off for a while now--we have enough to keep us busy just now....See ya' later.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 20:43:16 (UTC)

Beverly:
Marilu, would you caonsider sharing that 30 year old recipe for your German Potato Salad? My email is beverlyavis@msn.com if you are so inclined. I used to have to pick Dandelion leaves so my grandma could make the most wonderful salad and I am pretty sure that it had a hot bacon dressing too....with some chopped eggs. I don't know what it is but mine just never is as good as hers was!
- 63.233.10.152 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 23:12:08 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hi, all....anyone out there?
- 69.19.177.218 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 23:16:45 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi William, I am trying to watch football and golf and my computer at the same time. New football game starting and here come my Steelers. Can't holler for the Chiefs or Minn so back my Steelers. Golf is bizarre with the fog rolling in. How are you?
- 63.233.10.152 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 23:33:48 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
hi, all....anyone out there?
- 69.19.177.218 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 23:36:26 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
sunny and 52* here in sf...hazy sun and fog rolling in over the hills from the pacific. about to go for my daily 12 mile bike ride...i think today will be a shortened ride so i can make a lemon tart later...
- 69.19.177.218 - Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 23:38:33 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hi, William and Beverly,
Just mellowing out in NJ. A blanket of snow before the sun came out. Nighttime has settled in. Hoping that the second football game is better than the first. Glad to see the Eagles get in. I hope Minnesota gets either better players on defense or a coordinator that can do more with what they have.
- 152.163.100.196 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 00:14:11 (UTC)

Jim H:
German potato salad all the way in all its variations.
- 152.163.101.5 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 00:14:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
As for the Vikings...Amen Jim. Just wanted to share one more schnapps story. I worked in a long term care facility my first year out of nursing school. We had a German lady as a resident who had clearly worked hard all of her life as she was in great physical shape but I'm afraid she had severe age related dementia. She walked the halls all day dusting the hand rails and such without ever saying a word to anyone except....She stopped for a drink at each drinking fountain and after drinking she'd pause and say...Mmmmm...schnapps! I always thought to myself, whatever gets you through the day honey!
- 69.179.17.58 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 00:27:51 (UTC)

Nancy:
Just not able to stay up so late (I know, it's just pathetic) so a goodnight to all and have a great week.
- 69.179.17.58 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 01:33:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Finally coming out of the deep freeze here in KCMO. Might be 55 tomorrow, but back to cold next week-end.
Hope everyone is well and surviving winter. My brother in Lansing, MI, is contending with 10 to 15 inches of snow. Could be worse in KC, I guess. Be thankful for our weather.
- 4.245.41.102 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 01:54:05 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Nancy: Loved your story about the elderly lady who appreciated schnapps. Story goes that my great grandma, Ursula Stalzer Jonke had to have a couple of shots of home-made whiskey every morning to get her started. My father and his brothers were delegated to get her the schanpps every morning. She lived to be 94 or 95.
- 4.245.41.102 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 01:56:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Thoughts of hot, German potato salad are wafting through my head. My oma and my grossmutter made the kind with boiled sliced potatoes, hard boiled eggs, crisp bacon, and a mixture of vinegar and water. Mother also made the same.
I tried it, but couldn't make it taste quite the same.
- 4.245.41.102 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:00:07 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Oops. Forgot the onion in the hot potato salad. Sorry
- 4.245.41.102 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:00:49 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly, sure I will send you the receipe for German potato salad. All the kids were here today for my birthday, and of course we had hot German potato salad along with all kinds of other goodies.
- 152.163.100.74 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:48:37 (UTC)

SHARON EISENZOPF:
Hello everyone. I bet everyone is watching the game tonight.
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:49:40 (UTC)

SHARON EISENZOPF:
Happy Birthday Marilu
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:50:17 (UTC)

Marilu:
Thanks Sharon
- 152.163.100.136 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:52:47 (UTC)

Beverly:
Where is Terry Bradshaw when you need him?
- 63.233.10.183 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:53:48 (UTC)

SHARON EISENZOPF:
He's bundled up somewhere after this afternoon game.
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:54:45 (UTC)

Marilu:

- 152.163.100.202 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:55:22 (UTC)

Marilu:
The good quarterbacks have retired.
- 152.163.101.7 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:55:50 (UTC)

SHARON EISENZOPF:
I'm sure the next good quaterback is around the corner and hasn't been discovered yet
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 02:57:00 (UTC)

Beverly:
Here we are..all women for the past while and dicussing not only recipes but also a critique on whats wrong with football these days! Great day to be a woman! Good job ladies.
- 63.233.10.183 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 03:15:23 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Marilu, Thank you so much for the recipe. I will make it Thurs as I am off work...sounds wonderful. I usually always have boiled red potatoes (with jackets on) in the fridge as it is a great help when working and need fried potatoes for breakfast. Thanks again, Beverly
- 63.233.10.183 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 03:36:11 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly, It is much better if you start with warm potatoes, rather then cold ones from the fridge. The seasonings soak in better or something.
- 205.188.116.72 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 03:54:42 (UTC)

SHARON EISENZOPF:
It's really quiet tonight.
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 03:54:45 (UTC)

Marilu:
Freshly cooked warm potatoes.
- 205.188.116.135 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 03:56:27 (UTC)

Beverly:
Thanks Marilu, I know about the warm potatoes...also just find it handy to keep the reds for other stuff when I am in a hurry. Thank you agin I really appreciate the recipe. There is nothing can beat a recipe from a friend that you know is good...just the best.
- 63.233.10.183 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 04:01:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening. Have enjoyed your conversations including the one about the Kartoffel Salat. My mom always sliced the potatoes while still warm and I think she added the salt and pepper as she went along. She might even have added a little oil then mixed it well. We loved her potatoe salad even though it was not made with bacon but rather a vinegar and oil dressing. I agree though, I have not as yet mastered it but it is good enough to eat. To you all, have a GREAT wee, stay warm and keep shoveling.
- 216.251.169.4 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 04:39:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Mr. Germany Calling - we wish you a very good and healthy week. Stay well, take care of yourself and continue your excellent work on the preservation of the "history and culture of Gottschee and the Gottscheers". I am proud of you.
- 216.251.169.4 - Monday, January 24, 2005 at 06:03:10 (UTC)

Beverly:
Okay any chance that someone out there has made jam from tomatoes? My grandma did and it was heaven on fresh warm baked bread with butter...I've tried to duplicate but there is something missing and I about out of ideas so I was theinking it might be the kind of tomato she used and I was to little to know there even was a difference. Can someone help...makes my mouth water to even think about her jam.
- 4.191.192.182 - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 02:28:04 (UTC)

Christine:
I did a lot of canning in my day but never made tomato jam.
so don't know how this would be, I have a 1973 Better Homes and GardenCanning book and it does have a recepie for Tomato Preserves. if you want that you can e-mail me at
CSSharpie@ aol.com.
- 198.81.26.45 - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 04:05:55 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
if you type tomato jam in Google there are some receipes that come up not sure if any are like your Grama's but worth a look.
- 70.68.172.48 - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 07:01:55 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning. Can anyone tell me the Slovenian name for the village of Felddorf by Königsberg, Untersteiermark? Thank You.
- 209.240.245.176 - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 14:46:09 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Trix you got the potato salad right as I recall mother let it sit in the fridge for a while soaking in the ingridients she also added a little sugar no bacon but always left over roast beef sliced thin and small I just loved it. Frank Kotnik have changed your email it keeps comming back.Hope you are well say hi to your Aunt uncle.
- 70.68.172.48 - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 01:52:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz, do you know the Slovenian name for Felddorf? Oh, boy, I am picturing my mother's Kartoffel Salat right now and could definitely enjoy a helping.
- 216.251.169.172 - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 02:57:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Trix I did see your message but do not know the Slovenian name. Felddorf was very near where we were but I knew it only as Felddorf. The road to Croatia went right through Felddorf if I remember correctly.
- 70.68.172.48 - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 03:09:10 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hi everyone...just wanted to share with you all that I received my first "Gottscheer Connection" today. Very interesting and am enjoying it. Will take it to work tomorrow as everyone there waits for me to bring in anything on my family connections. They are interested as they have been in on this since I started to poke around. Thanks.
- 63.233.86.163 - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 03:53:39 (UTC)

Beverly:
Marilu, If I read a posting correctly you have had relatives or still do in Guttenburg Iowa??? That is not too far from where I was raised and went there many times to fish and check out the Bald Eagles along the Mississippi.I am anxious to know if you know that area.
- 63.233.10.52 - Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 04:14:44 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly...Yes some of the Petsche family lived in Guttenberg, and they are related to me. They are my great great grandmothers family. However, I have not traced that family down, so I don't know where many of them live today. I have never been to Guttenberg, but have been to several other towns in that area.
- 152.163.100.12 - Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 13:40:41 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly, where did you see that posting? I have forgotten where it is.
- 152.163.101.14 - Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 13:41:31 (UTC)

Beverly:
Marilu,I saw it in the guestbook postings. Do you know the town Dyersville Iowa? That is where I was born and raised. Guttenburg is a beautiful town. I was always fascinated by the button factory there...there were always all the shells along the river with perfect circles cut out of them.
- 63.233.86.102 - Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 17:21:18 (UTC)

Marilu:
I met someone 2 years ago who has a big resturant in Dyersville, but of course I don't remember his name. It had something to do with the field of dreams, I think. Met him at Galena.
- 152.163.100.71 - Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 22:13:45 (UTC)

:
Hi Marilu, You probably ran into either Jerry Koch/Country Junction Club or a Kramer who is the Knight Light Club but then thats who owned the two when I lived in Dyersville. It is the town where Field of Dreams was filmed. Could Petsche also be one of the names you are looking for...thought it very close to your name.My mom goes back to Iowa tomorrow to visit friends and the people across the street from her friend is LaVern Petsche from Guttenburg originally. Married a classmate of my mom. I can have her ck him out as to relatives if you would want me to. Small world. Bev
- 63.233.9.230 - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 01:42:04 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well Marilu I just realized Petsche is one of the names...saw the Petschel first. Bev
- 63.233.11.2 - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 01:55:27 (UTC)

Jim:
Trix, I have not found anything on Felddorf. Will check further.
- 152.163.100.69 - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 03:05:48 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly...I think anyone named Petsche in that area is probably a relative. But I have no idea if they know they are related to the Peschel side of the family. If their family handed down information like my family did, they won't know what you are talking about. I had to do a lot of digging to find it all out. Some Day when I get back to that family and finish the Petsche side of it, then I might take you up on the offer. I think I have a 4th or 5th cousin in Minnesota, who has probably done most of the Petsche family, and I think I have one of his files. But that is for another day.
- 152.163.101.14 - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 06:24:43 (UTC)

Windy City :
Felddorf?.... If my memory serves me right, I went to Kindergarten in Felddorf, walked from Satteldorf uphill to Felddorf. Will make a call to my sister in Austria she will probably know the slov. name. Stay tuned.
- 68.73.251.110 - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 16:10:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank You Windy City Franz. Appreciate it. I am sure you right about your memories of going to Kindergarten there and I am hopeful that your sister will know the Slovenian name. Chances are she will. The request for this information actually came from Steiermark. Small world isn't it. Hope you are doing well and selling many, many cars.
- 216.251.169.16 - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 16:25:42 (UTC)

Marilu:
I am asking for everyone's prayers tonite. My son-in-law found out today he has breast cancer. They will be operating next Thursday to see if it has spread to lymph nodes. Please keep him in your prayers. Thank you all.
- 64.12.116.200 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 02:34:59 (UTC)

Beverly:
Marilu I certainly will keep your son-in-law in my prayers. I was dianosed 14 years ago and have been ok. It is very scarey and a hard thing to hear. There have been some scares over the years but it comes with the illness. I am sure your daughter is beside herself with worry and I will pray for her too...she will have to fight just like him.
- 63.233.10.5 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 03:31:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Our prayers are with your son-in-law Marilu. I am sorry and hope for a total recovery. God Bless you and yours and give you strength.
- 209.240.237.160 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 04:26:40 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany :
Hi Beverly,you have posted inqury about Gutenberg.I have contact to the Jonior August and Olga Koenig born in Gutenberg No 12 The village is located between Tschermoschnitz and Poelandl parallel to Altsag Stara Zage and Neuberg.
Do you waned to get in touch with the family Koenig?The e-mail address: gus29koenig@aol.com There is a big article
of senior August Koenig in the Gottscheer Zeitung issued January 2005 page 10. with the headlines,( Wer kennt noch) "Pinkeisch Gustl".Gustl, was a wood carver and Organ player in the churches Tschermoschnitz and Poelandl on Sunday's mass.There is all so a picture in the paper where he is playing the Ziehharmonika (accordion).
Accordind to Village Sketches of Gottschee 1941 Compiled and Edited by Paul F.Jenner there was no name Petsche at Gutenberg only one Petschauer.The famliy of Gustl Koenig remained my very good,becous Gustl had a half brother with the name Josef he was a shoe maker and was a neighbour to us Meditzes in Neuberg No 33 I hop could be a little help to you Beverly!
- 217.93.228.189 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 13:53:39 (UTC)

Marilu:
Hello Ted
Beverly and I were talking about Guttenberg, Iowa, USA. Sorry for the confusion.
- 64.12.116.65 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 14:14:35 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Ted:
I am interested in the "Petschauer" can you tell me where the Petschauer originated from? I am looking for Petschauers
from Neubacher# 5 during 1850 to 1950.
Thank you
- 198.81.26.49 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 16:58:35 (UTC)

Nancy:
I also had/have relatives in Guttenberg, Iowa. The sister of my great grandfather, Margaretha Petschauer (husband Josef...also with the surname Petschauer) were found in an early census. My great grandparents, grandfather, and many of his siblings also spent some time in Guttenberg as I have old photos with the original cardboard frames with a Guttenberg Iowa mark. Hello Christine...we've been in touch before. My Petschauers were from Mitterdorf, Tschermoschnitz. What's the Las Vegas weather like these days? Marylu or Beverly...any info on Iowa? My prayers are with you and your son-in-law Marilu.
- 69.179.5.184 - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 23:28:25 (UTC)

Christine:
Hello Nancy:
The weather here is raining, has been raining for the last two days.Cold too 40 degrees. Will probably be comming your way in a few days, We have already got more rain then we get in a year here, Nice to hear from you.
- 198.81.26.70 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 00:32:53 (UTC)

Beverly Avis:
Hi Nancy,
How can I help you with Iowa? I don't know what I can do but as I said my mom is up there these next 2 weeks and I have her bringing me back a phone book. Thought I would see some names I paid no attention to when I lived there. You see, I was not doing anything about this and had never heard of Gottschee back then. I will try to help you anyway I can. There are many people up in Iowa from Austria and I swear they do not know about Gottschee. Am thinking that if the GHGA has an ad slick or something I would ask the local newspaper to put it in or I may write a letter to the editor and see if they would consider a story on us??? What does everyone think? There is also a wonderful Historical Society in Dyersville which is not too far from Guttenburg. Let me know what you all think? Beverly
- 63.233.11.194 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 02:01:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Beverly. I think you have a GREAT idea about talking to the newspaper and sharing with them your background and possible connections to others. There is much good information available on Gottschee complete its location as it relates to Europe etc. Why not call the newspaper and see what they might like by way of background and go from there. There are plenty of us that could help you. Good idea about the phone book too. I am keeping my fingers crossing and hoping for excellent results. Wouldn't that be just great? IT CAN HAPPEN. GO FOR IT and THANKS.
- 216.251.169.5 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 02:33:08 (UTC)

Nanch:
Hello Beverly...I think the newspaper story would be wonderful. There are many Gottscheer descendants in my area as well and so few know of this connection. I never knew my grandparents but am told that they were under the immpression that all every parish record had been destroyed along with the villages themselves. Neither of my grandparents filed for Social Security because they were led to beleive that they needed their info from Gottschee in order to qualify. My cousins have no idea how much information I've obtained on the family. I was lucky in that I'd posted my queries in the right places and the GHGA pretty much found me. As for Iowa...I know that their are still Petschauers there as I've seen phone listings. I don't know if these persons are descendants of "Jo and Margaret" Petschauer. I do know that this particular couple seemed to have made Iowa their permanent home unlike my great grandparents and their children. I've found them listed in the census in Texas even and all eventually settled in St Paul Minnesota where I was born. Anyone else have any ideas how we can inform people of Gottschee? Minnesota has a great history center as well and I wonder if they'd be interested in a Gottschee submission.
- 69.179.5.184 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 02:42:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Waukenabo. Nancy, I have often thought that it might be fun to think about having a Gottscheer reunion in Minnesota. We could certainly include Iowa have it in the southern part. That might also give the foundation for a good story. Maybe the twin city papers might interview several of us as to our work on searching and "preserving the history, culture and family records of Gottschee". Many immigrated to the Iron Range in northeastern Minnesota too but it seems that they have become more Slovenian. Lack of accurate background information could well be part of the problem. Any thoughts?
- 216.251.169.5 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 04:58:33 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Hi Christine!I can not tell you where the Petschauer are originated from.Petschauer,Matthias house No.# 5 not given.
According to the German Resettlement Records of Gottschee August 31st 1941.There is a Petschauer,Ludwig the Matthias from Neubacher born 16.6.1892 in Neubacher farmer.2nd Peschauer, Maria the Ludwig from Neubacher born 4.9.1932 in Neubacher.3th Peschauer Alfons the Ludwig from Neubacher born 1.6.1924 in Neubacher.I hope that I could give you some usefull information.

- 217.93.247.73 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 12:54:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix..I love the idea of a reunion in MN but I wonder how to get word out to the thousands of those who don't know that their ancestors were from Gottschee. Have any of our neighbors attempted anything like this? Any advice?
- 69.179.21.12 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 20:56:34 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Ted:
Thank you so much for the information. You have been a big
help. I really appreciate it. Have a good day!!!
- 64.12.117.11 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 21:13:05 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
If there's a reunion in MN, I'm there.
- 199.243.152.141 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 22:10:12 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly...I have been going thru some records today. There were 3 Petsche brothers that settled in Guttenberg and Petersburg and Dubuque areas. John, Joseph and Andrew. This was in the 1870s and early 1880s.
- 64.12.116.195 - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 23:31:59 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Marilu...thanks for the Petsche info...my dad was from Petersburg...all those little towns are so close together and everyone know everyone. I will let you know what I can find out. As to letting people know about the Gottschee...I am going to start by seeing what the historical society knows in the area I was born. If they do not know I am sure they would be so interested in what we have and if they know,then they can't know the full story and wonderful heritage.I know the lady who runs the one in Dyersville and I am going to email her tomorrow...she and hubby run the furneral home too.
- 63.233.106.66 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 00:19:02 (UTC)

Beverly:
By the way...I think I have mentioned that I work in a jewelry store and I got robbed today! It has happened to me before but each time I just want to hit somebody. When times get hard...these creeps come out and will do whatever to get you...be careful everybody.
- 63.233.106.66 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 00:21:33 (UTC)

Nancy:
First of all...Beverly-are you okay? The only thing to do is let them have what they want. There was a story in the St Paul paper today of a young woman from Mn who was shot to death in New York (lower east side I think) She was leaving a club with friends and muggers came out of nowhere...she struggled and supposedly said "what are you going to do...shoot us?" They shot her to death at point blank range. Thank you for the warning and everyone be careful...marerial things aren't worth our lives! Sharon...where are you from? Trix...I think we're on to something as far as a MN reunion goes. I'll check with the MN Historical Society as well. They'd probaly be very interested in the Gottschee. Many of the Gottschee men (in my family anyway) came to MN for decent jobs with the railroad. As for Iowa...I've found referance to the Petschauers in Guttenberg and Jefferson City/Township. I wonder how close these two places are. I'll check in later as I've promised my husband a game of chess. Bye
- 69.179.21.12 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 00:58:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. My cousin, Eddie Stalzer, sent me email regarding a man named Josef Gladitch (?) Don't really know what this man wrote about. He now lives in Munich. Can anyone help me? Thanks
- 4.244.78.7 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 01:52:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Forgot to add the complicated web site that Eddie referred me to: http://www.carniola.org/theglory/2004/07/the_depopulatio.html
- 4.244.78.7 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 02:04:19 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
good evening everyone
- 66.81.145.133 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 03:36:45 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
margaret: your cousin may be referring to the author of the website www.gottschee.de
- 66.81.145.133 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 03:40:32 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
margaret: your cousin may be referring to the author of the website www.gottschee.de
- 66.81.145.133 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 03:51:51 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
margaret: your cousin may be referring to the author of the website www.gottschee.de
- 66.81.145.133 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 04:00:57 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
margaret: your cousin may be referring to the author of the website www.gottschee.de
- 66.81.145.133 - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 04:10:04 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
William of San Fran: Thank you for the information. I will ask Eddie some more questions and log on to the web site. Bleib gesund.
- 66.140.92.13 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 01:14:05 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi all, Yes I am fine after the robbery...except the nightmares...they're worse than the real thing...however after the little creep robbed me he went to Denny's and robbed them at gunpoint. I am getting too old for this!
- 63.233.8.242 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 03:54:38 (UTC)

Beverly:
I do have a question! Found a new relative tonite from a side of the family I am just starting and it lists a gg grandfather as coming from "Neubau, Austria"...doesn't that just mean newly built and could mean any city newly built? Help!
- 63.233.8.242 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 03:58:27 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Bev, that is a place in Austria.
- 70.68.172.48 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 06:43:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning from Waukenabo. We are enjoying warm tempteratures and by mid day even some of the snow might be melting. We have plenty of it so that is good.

I am currently reading an excellent book, It was written by Edwin Stalzer, a fellow Gottscheer born in Tappelwerch by Tschermoschnitz in the former Gottschee. It is called LIFE'S JOURNEY OF A REFUGEE, Memoirs Of A World War II Survivor. It truly is a must for every Gottscheer home. It is well written, easy to read, hits home for those of us who traveled a parallel journey with the Stalzer family and reminds me, personally, of the need to record some important memories of my journey as a refugee. I encourage you to purchase your copy.

For details see www.RefugreeNoMore.com; Amazon or contact Edwin Stalzer dirctly at 434-296-4184.
- 209.240.245.146 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 13:51:25 (UTC)

Trix:
Sorry, the word should be "Refugee"
- 209.240.245.146 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 13:53:04 (UTC)

Tr:

Editorial Review

Product Description:
Life's Journey of a Refugee is a unique voyage from the cauldron of early 20th-century ethnic cleansing to the melting-pot of the mid-century American Dream, from the wrong side of World War II through the gang wars of 1950's Brooklyn and the triumph and tragedies of postwar America.

For six hundred years the Catholic Land of Gottschee has endured as a remote outpost of the House of Austria, the outermost point of the Holy Roman Empire, a "linguistic Island" of medieval German in present-day Slovenia. It has withstood the Bosnian Warlord and Napoleon, but German catastrophe in World War I brings tension with the local Slavs to a simmer, hastening the exodus of educated Gottscheers.

Edwin Stalzer, the author, is born at the boiling point, the moment of Gottschee's final tragedy. Life's Journey of a Refugee takes you through his life in an Austrian refugee camp from 1945 to 1952, his escape to America, and his triumphant battle for the "American Dream".

- 209.240.245.146 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 14:05:32 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you Trix for the review of Edwin Stalzer's book. I'll be ordering my copy...available at bookstores? Happy Tuesday everyone. Must go...date with the tax man!
- 69.179.35.51 - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 22:26:48 (UTC)

Mr. Ed:
That book is available on www.iUniverse.com, www.amazon.com, www.barnsandnoble.com,www.booksamillion.com.
Check it out on my own website www.RefugeeNoMore.com
- 216.12.13.46 - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 21:11:29 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you Ed and I've just ordered your book on Amazon. Thanks also to you Trix for reviewing the book on the PZ.
- 69.179.17.20 - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 22:53:19 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:

A Gottscheer in Buchenwald.

Last week the world commemorated the liberation of Auschwitz by Soviet troops on January 27, 1942. Three months from now, the world will be commemorating the liberation of Buchenwald by American troops on April 11, 1945.

In these two camps and many others, the Nazis put to death millions of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and other members of the human race they labeled as parasites. In one of these places perished my 12 year old school friend Josef Tramposch, son of a Gypsy mother and a Gottscheer father. He and his resettled family were all taken from their new home by the Gestapo without prior warning or notice. Only because his mother was a gypsy. Being the wife to his Gottscheer father mattered not.

Both Auschwitz and Buchenwald were Nazi death camps. But for me, Buchenwald took on a special dimension when it became publicly known that on its Staff served an SS Officer, a Gottscheer named Wilhelm Lampeter.

After the war, Lampeter escaped his fate of being tried as a war criminal by hiding in Communist Eastern Germany, out of western reach. (To quote the N.Y. Times, 30/1/05: “…after the War, the Western Allies defined as a war criminal anyone who was a principal or accessory to war crimes….”). Lampeter was welcomed back into the Leadership of the dispersed Gottscheer at a meeting in Munich on 14 October, 1990.

Read more about this in the Forun of Gottschee.de

- 205.188.116.66 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 04:26:51 (UTC)

Christine:
Have just finished reading "Memories of CHildhood" by Ridy Hoegler Skyrme and Arnold R.M.Rom.It is a well wwtitten factual story. So compelling that I could not put it down. The Childhood Memories and the traumatic resettlement years following WW2, the story of two families, A must for every
Gottscheer. I would give it five stars.
- 198.81.26.76 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 04:45:13 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:

Ein Gottscheer in Buchenwald !

In der letzten Woche, die Welt gedachte der Befreiung von Auschwitz durch Sovietische Truppen am 27. Januar, 1945. In ungefähr drei Monaten, wird sie gedenken der Befreiung von Buchenwald durch Amerikanische Truppen am 11. April, 1941.

In solchen Lagern, die Nazis sandten in den Tod Millionen von Juden, Roma, Slawen und andere menschlicher Rasse, von ihnen als Parasiten bezeichnet. In einem dieser Lager ging zugrunde mein 12 jähriger Schulfreund Josef Tramposch, Sohn eines Gottscheers und einer Roma Mutter. Er, wie seine umgesiedelte Familie wurde, ohne Vorwarnung, aus deren neuen Heim von der Gestapo herausgerissen. Nur weil seine Mutter Roma war. Die Tatsache, sie war Gattin eines Gottscheers, spielte keine Rolle.

Auschwitz und Buchenwald waren beide Konzentrazionslager. Aber für mich, Buchenwald nahm an eine besondere Bedeutung als allgemein bekannt wurde an dessen Stab diente ein SS Major (Sturmbannfuhrer), ein Gottscheer namens Wilhelm Lampeter.

Nach Kriegsende, Lampeter entrann sein Los als Verbrecher gegen die Menschlichkeit angeklagt zu werden. Dies durch Flucht in die Kommunistische Ostzone, außer der Reichweite des Westens. ("… nach dem Krieg, die Alliierten des Westens bezeichneten als Kriegsverbrecher, jeden welcher als führend oder akzessorisch an Kriegsverbrechen Teil nahm….." N.Y. Times, 30/01/05).

Lampeter wurde am 14. Oktober, 1990 in München von der Leitung der Gottscheer in deren Kreisen willkommen.

Mehr im Forum von Gottschee.de

- 152.163.100.204 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 04:53:53 (UTC)

Beverly:
I know this has nothing to do with the conversation right now but I want to share a beautiful sight. The little town I was raised in built a church that was named a Basilica many years ago. Anyway it has recently had a new paint job courtesy of a wonderful woman in the parish. I want you all to go to this website,please. My gg grandfather was one of the carpenters on this church. Please go to:
www.churchrestorations.com Many family names you know have attended this church and I am proud to share. After looking at the main altar on the upper right hand of the page go to gallery...it is beautiful. Thank you, Bev
- 63.233.11.187 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 06:44:16 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly..the church is beautiful. There are many churches in Carroll County, Iowa like this.
- 64.12.116.67 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 09:45:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Christine, I agree.After I read the book, I praised it highly on the PZ. And I did not do so to "push" her book-I just wanted everyone to know how I felt. So folks, here we go again--if you have not read it, do yourself a favor and get it......
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 16:32:17 (UTC)

Christine:
Hi Paul B:
Iam really pleased that you agree with me. I am an avid reader and really enjoy good books, and I found this book to be excellent in true facts.I read every thing I can get my hands on about the land my Grandparents came from , the people, customs, culture, etc. My library is stocked and I
continue to seek more. Most pleased to find another reader
of an excellent book. Thanks Paul, Appreciate it!!!!
- 198.81.26.81 - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 19:06:24 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Beverly...I've just looked at the beautiful restorations in both Iowa and Wisconsin. Ridy...my book request is stamped and ready to be mailed. Hello everyone and happy friday!
- 69.179.20.106 - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 01:08:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone--I thought I posted this before, but I must have hit the wrong button. Franz, I was wondering if there was anything new with your nephew and his bike schpitacal..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 05:13:15 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi paul I will ask my sister today when I see her my understanding was he had to wait till his next hearing in march some time , but I will find out as to the latest episode in the soap opera in NY. sunny spring day here . today here hope you are all well in the Pz .Great songs thank you Ridy. Ted good Cds. Many thanks.So far I have not been able to copy them But i am not giving up yet .
- 70.68.172.48 - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 16:23:38 (UTC)

Martha Tilley:
Hi Paul,

- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 05:33:45 (UTC)

Martha Tilley:
This is Franz's sister, Martha. Just thought I'd let you know that my son-in-law has now gotten his bike back with an apology to go along with it. Thanks for your interest.
- 70.68.172.48 - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 05:35:39 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Martha, that's great news. Thanks for the update!
- 24.3.227.190 - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 18:10:24 (UTC)

Paul B..:
I am very happy to hear the good news Martha and Franz..Especially the Apology--that has to be a New York first!!!! So I shouldn't hear any back lash, I have been a New Yorker all my life, so I realy appreciate the apology. Maybe Frank Sinatra was right after all....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 18:13:45 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy is the game going ok ?And is the right team winning ?
The halftime was an improvement from last year, at least Agnes thinks so. See you all after the game.
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 01:54:42 (UTC)

Nancy:
I just can't watch the Patriots win another Super Bowl so it's bedtime for me. Goodnight to all on the PZ and have a great week.
- 69.179.11.207 - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 02:09:54 (UTC)

Nancy:
Franz...I didn't even see the halftime show. Gary said it was pretty good though.
- 69.179.11.207 - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 02:11:05 (UTC)

Nancy:
One more thing...for the first time in over 20 years, my 90 year old mother made "German" dumplings. This recipe was taught to her by my grandmother Johanna Tscherne Petschauer. They contain bread, mashed potatoes, onions. eggs and flour. They're formed into tennis balls (sort of) and boiled in salted water for 10 or 12 mimutes. Served with beef roast and gravy. Sound familiar to anyone? Do they have a name? Thank you and goodnight.
- 69.179.11.207 - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 02:15:55 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy I thought you said you are going to bed.
Yes I know the dumplings you are refering to We called them "proat knellein"
- 70.68.172.48 - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 03:31:19 (UTC)

Nancy:
I thank you Franz for putting a name to these "German" dumplings. Gary didn't care much for the Kaiserschmarren but I think he'll enjoy the Proat Knellein. my oldest sister still makes them so I'll use her "recipe." I think it's ironic that my mother had to send a German recipe to my sister in Germany in the late fifties...she was newly wed to her highschool sweetheart who did an Army assignment there. I bet my grandmother never thought her recipe would circle the globe.
- 69.179.18.51 - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 23:47:30 (UTC)

Marilu:
Good News....My son-in-law got the results from his breast cancer surgery and they did not find any more cancer. It was contained in the first lump they took out. He will probably have some chemo just as a precaution. Thank you all for your prayers.

- 198.81.26.72 - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 14:41:56 (UTC)

Beverly:
Yeah! Marilu That is wonderful news. Take care, Beverly
- 63.233.8.99 - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 15:02:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Marilu: That IS great news. Tell him we are all happy for him.
- 70.68.172.48 - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 22:41:31 (UTC)

Nancy:
Great news Marilu!
- 69.179.26.2 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 00:18:35 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Everyone: Didn't log on Sunday - Super Bowl. Hope everyone is well. Hoping for an early spring. Too much ice, cold, snow here in KCMO. All the discussion about dumplings made me remember watching my oma do the raw potato kind. Peel, grind, twist dry in a towel, add flour,
fried pork bits, egg, then roll and boil. Sometimes she fried the leftovers the next day - cut up small and fried.
Kind of heavy, though. Very filling. Must ask about a cookie my grossmutter (from Bavaria) made. Hard as a rock. Anise flavoring. Would keep forever. Had to be dunked in coffee. Anybody know that kind of cookie?
- 64.218.109.30 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 19:24:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret: Love those cookies..Now don't mind the spelling. but they are called Pfeferness-I can eat a whole bag of them in one sitting....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:03:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Margaret...almost sounds like a "biscotte" (spelling?) sold in the fancy coffee shops. As for the dumplings, most of the food recipes that came from my grandmother were heavy...I think it was a way to fill people up on what little they had. Hello everyone.
- 69.179.18.249 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:06:59 (UTC)

Nancy:
Where do you get them Paul?
- 69.179.18.249 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:07:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Stella D'oro Brand sold in super markets, under the name of spice cookies.....I usually buy them in Waldbaums Nancy..And I dunk them in regular/decaf coffee--cappucino with a shot of Kahula added is great for dunkin' also...Now I have a geiger for them,why do you guys do this to me?!!! I must see if they have them in the store tomorrow......
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:22:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way Nance, my sisters in-law made the dumplings that Margaret described--too bad I can't buy them anywhere--But they could never be as good as home made anyway, noyhimg is ever as good as the original made by the originators, right??
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:27:43 (UTC)

Nancy:
Sorry Paul..I didn't mean to make you hungry for those cookies! I'll check in later...must get the steaks on as the baked potatoes are almost ready. Oops...sorry!
- 69.179.18.249 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 22:33:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Did any Ridgewoodites see in the news that Niedersteins is closed?Ther goes another thing that will remain as a memory...We had many a good meal and good times at parties there...My sister-in-law Emily Rabuse had her 80th Birthday party there, and we had a blast...One of the reasons for it's closing is that the "Old timers" have dwindled down to a precious few, and of course the business dwindled down with it...Too bad, I am sure many of us will miss the place....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 23:46:23 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Be there in a jiffy Nancy .
- 70.68.172.48 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 23:48:25 (UTC)

Nancy:
Sorry you couldn't make it Franz...maybe next time. How have you been?
- 69.179.18.249 - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 00:08:33 (UTC)

Beverly:
I see we are talkng a little food tonite. My grandma taught me to do "baked onions"instead of baked potatoes all the time and they are so good with steak. Does anyone else do that? I take a sweet or yellow onion...peel and cut off top and bottom so it will sit...slice it almost all the way thru like a pie...a dab of butter and salt and pepper and wrap in foil leaving an opening at the top. Bake til tender but not mushy..Makes onion butter to use on your steak..really good. Is that recipe "old country"?
- 63.233.8.27 - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 02:02:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
My Mom & Grandma used to bake onions Beverly. I am so glad you mentioned it, because i haven't thought of it in a long long time.That's a sneaky way of saying I totally forgot all about that delicious baked onion..So that will be on the menue this weekend...Thank You and have a great weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 04:47:26 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, is Niederstein's that place on Metropolitan Ave. near Christ the King HS?
- 170.201.180.69 - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 18:01:19 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all: I have a new computer so would appreciate an email to agnes@shaw.ca so that I won't have to copy all my email addressess from my old computer. Thanks kindly
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 21:40:36 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Am wondering if any of you might have connections to the village of Möttling or Metlika in Slovenian. It is located to the north of Tschernembl or Crnomelj.

- 216.251.169.156 - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 23:14:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes helmuth-near the cemetary-many afterfuneral lunches were were there. Have you ever tried their food? They also had music on weekends.Friendly old musicians that were very good..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 00:42:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wish you all avery good weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 00:51:52 (UTC)

Nancy:
Beverly and Paul...how long should I bake the onions? and at what temp? It sounds really good and much easier than frying them. A good weekend to you too Paul and everyone on the PZ.
- 69.179.23.219 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 01:11:54 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Thanks Paul. Yes that was an institution there for many years. I remember riding my bike past there as a kid and hearing the music. The place seemed huge to me, like a plantation house.
- 67.163.156.138 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 02:39:03 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Nancy...I bake the onions at 400* for about 45 minutes...it depends on how big the onion and how sweet it is...the sweeter the faster it bakes..like Vidalia cook faster. The onion falls apart in what some places call petals..this is such an easy dish.Sometimes I throw on a little parmesan cheese at the end.I just squeeze the onion after 45 min to see if it is done. You will get it after the first time and the butter it makes is like heaven on that steak. Really really good.Just never use a white onion.
- 63.233.8.91 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 02:49:55 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Beverly...I'll give it a try next week! I was just surfing the net researching Slovenia. Trying to somewhat prepare the tour. Lonely Planet has a great sight! Check it out.
- 69.179.23.219 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 02:56:29 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone. It is so nice to read about the wonderful food from the years gone by. Did anyone make "Krapfen"for the Faschin? At our club in Cleveland, we had a Fasching celebration and Al Hoge, a retired baker and his group from the Ladie Auxiary, his wife Erika included, made over 650 of the delicious Krapfen. We had them for dessert and then also sold a lot. It is the highlight of our Fasching here in Cleveland. This tradition to have Krapfen at the Fasching dance was started by our wonderful Ladies Auxiliary many years ago. Sophie Dadam Kobe was the beginning factor of all this. I make them too, but not often enough, therefore they are not as good. But, they will do in the long run.

For those of you who attended our Treffen here in Cleveland years ago, we had the wonderful Ausgezogenen Knellein. I am sad to say that most of our ladies are now getting up in age and many are gone. The younger people are still to busy to come out and observe. We will try again soon to bring them out for cooking classes of the good old Gottscheer koescht.

Well, I hope you all have a good night. Will be talking to you again soon.

- 152.163.101.11 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 03:44:49 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Food topics are great. Does anyone remember how to make the onion sauce that we used to dunk the Knellein into? It was my Dad's favourite dish and I still remember how great it was.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 04:33:00 (UTC)

Beverly:
Marilu...I cannot find your address anywhere...had a rough day...got hit by a guy that ran a red light and then took off and has no license, green card or insurance!They caught him! I am fine and thank God I drive a Ford Expedition...kept me safe. Anyway your potato salad was the best...we all enjoyed and thank you again. Bev
- 63.233.8.165 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 04:50:45 (UTC)

Jim:
Sitting here relaxing on a Saturday morning. The food descriptions sound wonderful. My mom is a good cook but did not do the Gottscheer specialties. The Cleveland Fasching sounds like a great tradition.

A reminder on a couple of things, the New York picnic is in June as is the picnic in Walden (I believe it is still on the calendar). The GHGA meeting in California is also June and the Treffen is in Canada this year.

As with most things Gottscheer, I got a late start on Niederstein's. I went there for the first time after my father's funeral in 2003. I spoke with my Mom and she thinks a developer bought the property for either offices or apartments. It is such a shame. Unlike Italian restaurants or French restaurants, there is very rarely a new German restaurant opening up when one closes down.
- 205.188.116.130 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 13:56:45 (UTC)

Jim:
Beverly, glad to hear that you are safe. Expeditions are good for added protection.
- 205.188.116.133 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 13:58:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Just a couple of things i want to say, before I go back to work today.I am glad Nancy that Beverly gave you the real lowdoen on the onion caper I did not want to give you my wifes way, since we haven't had baked onion in a long time, but as usual, she did have it right.And she reminded me that when my mother made it, she made it as a salad. But I just liked to eat right out of the oven...Beverly, sorry about your ordeal-glad you are OK.. Jim, your Mom is right,they don't know yet what they will do with Niedersteins yet-several things are still on the fire..Also there is a German restaurant in Floral Park-don't remember how long it's there-we have been there several times-I am not sure, buti think it replaced the one in Glendale that was on Myrtle Ave-Gebharts...Gotta' go back urbeiten (SP?) Have a graet day everybody
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 17:17:26 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi..can anyone tell me how the House numbers were determined ...for instance, the house of my gg grandmother was # 6 in Ribnik. Was ir order of being built or did it start from a central point in each village and figured from that point? I guess I just never thoguht about it before and I really would like to know. Thank you.
- 63.233.10.120 - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 03:11:29 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Bev - That is hard to tell. I can tell you that the Schmuck house No.6 in Ribnik was called Orschls. In Gottschee hardly anyone ever paid attention to the surname. Instead every house at a house name. I can tell you from the information that I have gathered that your ancestors home was more or less located in the center of the village. Also, I am told that after the war all houses still stand were given new numbers. As soon as I verify the accuracy of the Ribnik village map from 1942 I will send you a copy. It clearly shows the Schmuck house at that time. When I was there in 1984 all we found were foundations.
- 209.240.245.74 - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 04:14:55 (UTC)

Beverly:
Sophia you are the best! :):):)
- 63.233.11.251 - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 04:19:27 (UTC)

Jim H:
The restaurant in Floral Park is called Koenig's. The original owner was Victor Koenig who had several other restaurants in the Ridgewood area before starting this one. It is still open. Victor was my grandmother's brother. I have been there a handful of times. The family has since sold the restaurant but it maintain the Koenig name.
- 205.188.116.130 - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 21:30:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You are right Jim..Victor was a friend of my father-in-law in town Verdrank. Do you know the one that was on Myrtle Ave, Gebhardts?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 21:41:53 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Treffen is taking place in Toronto Aug 31-Sept 3 or 5
- 199.243.152.241 - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 23:20:26 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hello everybody,
Doing Valentine's cards with the children for school. I never much liked it when I was young but my kids seem to be having fun with it. They have all these fun cartoon and barbie cards now. I remember having to give out these mushy sweetheart cards to girls and I was embarrassed!
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 00:51:41 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Gregg
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 00:52:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ridy Happy Birthday
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 00:53:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Valentine's Day to all and Happy Birthday Ridy.
- 69.179.15.45 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 00:56:35 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Tomorrow I turn the big 3-0. yipes. Can I stay at that from now on?
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 00:58:51 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
happy bday sharon. the 30s are great but life really starts at 40...anyone care to agree/disagree?
- 66.81.157.134 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:03:34 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
and happy bday to ridy as well
- 66.81.157.134 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:03:55 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Happy Birthday Sharon! I just hit 39 last month so those awesome thirties are almost over for me. Can I say yipes!! too?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:04:12 (UTC)

william of san francisco:
and happy bday to ridy as well
- 66.81.157.134 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:06:05 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gregg Do you live in Kansas City?
- 152.163.100.198 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:07:27 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi William of SF,
Were you able to make any sense out of those numbers in the resettlement book I sent you?
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:11:22 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Yes, I live in a Kansas City suburb called Blue Springs
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:11:55 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gregg, I just discovered I have relatives there. Last name is Gabrail. A Peschel married a Gabriel.
- 152.163.100.133 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:14:35 (UTC)

Marilu:
Her sister married a John Mutter.
- 152.163.100.198 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:15:32 (UTC)

:
hi gregg, not really. i'm as puzzled as you. i tried to match up numbers associated with my grandparents and their families but nothing really clicked. i've thought about some other things to try/ways to approach it but i haven't had the chance to sit down with it. my classes keep me busy most days...
- 66.81.157.134 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:19:38 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
That's okay William, no one else seems to understand them either.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:21:47 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Marilu, I see quite a few Gabriels in the phone book but only two Mutters, neither being John Mutter.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:22:39 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
I never thought there were very many Gottscheers/descendants in the KC area until I saw the GHGA roster. Also as I have done cemetery and marriage research in town I have found tons of Gottscheer names around. There is one church in particular in Kansas City, Kansas that it looks like that is where many early Gottscheers went to. I hear and read about NY, Cleveland and other cities having a large population of us but KC has quite a few too.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:27:43 (UTC)

Marilu:
Not someone you know I take it. I have already called two of the numbers. One was no longer in service, the other the lady was sick, and I am to call back. Haven't done that yet. John Mutter is deceased, so the two are probably his children. Also the with the Gabriels, it is a younger generation.
- 152.163.100.68 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:28:12 (UTC)

Marilu:
Yes, in the area the Gabriels lived there were a few. In the 1920 census they were in the 4th ward. The Mutters lived in Kansas City MO.
- 152.163.100.74 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:29:35 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Marilu, I can certainly call these people or get you contact info if you would like, or look up information for you here. Death notices, etc. from the newspapers.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:32:42 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gregg, thanks for the offer. If I don't make contact with them, I will let you know. I may have you look up some information if I don't succeed with them.
- 152.163.100.204 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:34:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Birthday to you Sharon...I'm halfway through the 40s and it's not bad. I'm with you on this one William.
- 69.179.15.45 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 01:37:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Birthday to you Ridy and Sharon..30-40--halfway thru the forties-you guys are just babies-just live your life to the fullest girls and i wish you all the happiest days and the healthiest...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:06:09 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Been raining for 2 days in KCMO. Hope it is dry for Valentine"s Day. Supposed to be 60 and 40 in Tuesday.
Anything more on dumplings? We called them cannon balls.
- 4.244.192.139 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:11:16 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:

Greg: I live in KC. You might be speaking about all the ethnic churches in KCKS. Polish, Croatian, Russian Orthodox, etc. Lots of Jonkes or Yonkes here, too.

G
- 4.244.192.139 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:13:52 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim: Ihave to make a correction. My Father-In-Law and Victor were friends in Verderb in Gottschee. My Father-in-Law had two brothers in Verdrank..In the old days We had some real good times at weddings in Koenigs, and had many a dinner party there.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:14:22 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Greg: Did you know that many immigrants who came to KC went to work at the packing houses that were near our old stockyards. All are gone now. The immigrants wanted to be close to their jobs and people of their own nationality.That is probably why you are finding many in Kansas City, Kansas. The stockyards have been gone for about 60 years.
- 4.244.192.139 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:16:13 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all and happy birthday to everyone that has a birthday today. Its my wife's birthday too and also our anniversary.
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:25:32 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Margaret,
Good to hear from you. I've learned about the different churches and each having their own ethnicity. The area I see a lot of early Gottscheers in is Strawberry Hill in KCKS. Most of them attended or married/baptised at St. Anthony's on 7th Street in the Strawberry Hill area. That area sure has a lot of history. Even being in KCKS it was very very close to the old stockyards, as I guess you know.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:26:10 (UTC)

Marilu:
Margaret, I have found a few from Gottschee in Kansas City in the census records, besides my family.
- 152.163.100.201 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:26:23 (UTC)

Marilu:
My relatives worked at the packing house.
- 152.163.100.14 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:27:23 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Margaret: my son called the ausgezöchenei knellein "rolly pollies" we never called the dumplings cannon balls but that is a good name for them
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:29:08 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Yes, I also had relatives in those old packing houses. Probably those workers were able to get relatives and friends jobs there as they immigrated.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:30:35 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gabriel's lived on Sandusky, Is that close to St. Anthony's?
- 152.163.100.130 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:34:49 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
I got a story from relatives about the packing houses during WWI. Evidently the government was concerned some immigrants could be on the "enemies" side and sabatage the meat to poison it's citizens. Some of my relatives were questioned about this matter but I never got the full story.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:38:44 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Sandusky is in the heart of Strawberry Hill. Many Gottscheers lived on Sandusky. The church closest to it was indeed St. Anthony's. That church has tons of records that are fully accessible. I've been there a couple times.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:40:35 (UTC)

Marilu:
So Gregg, when I need records they will be easy for you to find??
- 152.163.100.195 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:42:53 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
It should be.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:43:44 (UTC)

Jim:
Paul, what is the correction that you would like to make? Victor was originally from Komutzen#21 and then Pollandl#21. I don't know of a connection with Verderb but who knows. The Koenigs had most of their connections with the Unterwarmberg and the Pollandl parishes.
- 205.188.116.134 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:43:53 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Of course the more dates or information you have the easier the search. They have full marriage, baptism and even death/buriel records there.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:45:20 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
FRANZ: MY DEAR BROTHER-IN-LAW JOHNNY RABUSE WAS A DREAMER AND A GREAT GUY..HEONCE, AT A PARTY (A SCHNAPPS PARTY) TOLD EVERYONE HE HAD A GREAT IDEA--HE WANTED TO GO ON TELEVISION AND TELL THE VIEWERS HOW TO MAKE THE DUMPLINGS. SO HE PROCEEDED TO GIVE US A SAMPLE OF HOW AND WHAT HE WOULD SAY---BETWEEN THE BOOZE AND THE ACCENT, IT WAS A RIOT. I THINK WE ALL WENT HOME WITH WET PANTS!!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:47:57 (UTC)

Marilu:
I can supply some dates, but I will try again to contact the family first.
- 152.163.100.11 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:48:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Gregg if you go to collectioncanada.ca there is a data base to search immigration records. there is a julie tramposch who came over with my grandma.
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 02:49:06 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Thanks Sharon. I will look into that.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:02:05 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Good Evening to you all. Talk about GREAT sharing. Paul, I am just dying laughing about the story with Rabuse. I bet that was a riot. Would love to have seen it.

Happy Birthday and/or anniversaries to you all including Ridy, Sharon, Franz's wife and all others.

Gregg, the GHGA held our annual meeting in Overland, KS some years ago. We had a polka mass at St. Anthony's with over 100 people attending it and staying for the afternoon activities. We had a good, good time and visiting Strawberry Hills too. I was surprise to find so many Gottscheers in that part of the country myself. I hope we return to your area in the near future.

It is raining out with snow to follow. Oh, well, I am done worrying about it. It just can't last forever.

Enjoy a good week everyone and stay well.

Anyone in the Plauderzimmer going on the GHGA trip to Gottschee in June? Will be a good, good time.

Remember the annual North American Gottscheer Treffen will be Labor weekend hosted by the Gottscheers and probably others in Toronto. If you have never attended one go. They are GREAT.

If you are in the NY area their annual Voksfest is the first Sunday of June. And the GHGA will gather near LA the last weekend in June. Would love to see and meet you there.
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:02:21 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Thanks Sharon. I will look into that.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:02:39 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Trix. I was not aware of that but it's really interesting. I don't know how old St. Anthony's is but it really dates back, probably to the 1880's or very likely even further.
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:06:02 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Paul I can't stop laughing at your story!
- 69.242.161.158 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:07:55 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul I am with Trix and Gregg you do tell the greatest stories and we all enjoy them alot
- 24.69.255.236 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:17:24 (UTC)

Sharon:
I found the Canadian web site. Where do I click for the data base? Thank you. You can tell I am not a genealogist can't you?
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:26:24 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
click on immigration records 1925-1935
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:29:04 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
then click on search the database. It will bring up a search engine to type surnames in it. Keep in mind that you will have to use different spellings sometimes.
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:30:24 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Any luck Trix?
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:45:51 (UTC)

Bev:
Hi everyone. I worked today and someone brought in a National Geographic magazine...I wondered, have they ever done a story on the people of Gottschee?? And if so can someone tell me the issue and if they have not who do we know that could get them to do it!
- 63.233.106.71 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:49:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Sharon - No luck yet. It is probably so simple that I feel stupid.

Bev - as far as I know the National Geographic did a story on Slovenia. I wrote them a letter informing them that they missed a very important part namely Gottschee and the Gottscheers. They said space did not allow anything else. I agree, I think times have changed and we should contact them. Any volunteers?

My dream is to have a documentary on Gottschee. Have done some research on it. All takes money, time etc but what a GREAT story we have to share with the world.

How about it? Are you thinking????? Any suggestions?????
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 03:54:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well I found a new way to look at Gottschee. I'm using the national geographics map which is satellite image. You can't go close in but its kinda neat. Shows how far we have advanced in technology.
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 04:01:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Night all. Have a wonderful week and liebe Grüße an Mr. Germany calling.
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 04:46:11 (UTC)

Trix:
If Cook Island Richard is reading this, greetings to you too. Hope life is treating you well.
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 04:46:47 (UTC)

Christine:
Ridy;
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!
- 198.81.26.49 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 21:33:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim: I am sorry, but I can not answer your question-that, I'm afraid is way over my head...I know nothing about house #s, etc....I was only repeating what I heard, and I distinctly remember My father-in-Law (Johann Jaklitsch) saying they were from the same village...But now Adie (my wife) says that he may have never said that about the same village...But, that he knew him from thr area....So, what do I know-As you all know, I am a GBM only!!!Maybe I should do like my Papa used to say,"Whenna you no sure,keepa you mouta shut and keepa quiet-no be lika dumbella...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 22:05:34 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul we don't want you to "keepa you mouta shut". if you made a mistake thats ok we all do at times. I think you are a pretty good Gottscheer even if it is by marriage and Adie will probably back me up on that.
- 24.69.255.236 - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 02:35:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Franz-you are a true friend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 04:14:33 (UTC)

Jim:
Paul, no problem about Victor. We are all cousins somewhere along the line. I thought Victor may have spent sometime in Verderb. Don't worry about it at all and keep posting to the chatroom.
- 205.188.116.204 - Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 16:23:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thanks Jim- appreciate that.. I am going to call my cousin Franz Jaklitsch who is in Florida just now,Maybe he can put some light on this subject....Frank came here to the USA after the war-in the late forties-I love his Stories about Gottschee...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 01:31:44 (UTC)

Trix:
An inquiry from the former Gottschee would like to know if anyone has any information on the Mausser family from Russbach(by Tschermoschnitz) Stefan Mausser, was born in Russbach 15 in 1878. His wife was a Buchte. She would like to know if there might be any relatives in America and anything else anyone may know.

- 209.240.245.93 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 16:12:39 (UTC)

Marjan:
In Blatnik 15 were in year 1910: Mausser Stefan born 30. March 1852,his wife was Gertraud Buchte born 28. May 1854 in Schöflein. Childrens: Alois born 19. July 1890, Friederich born 13. May 1892, Josefa born 29.september 1887-in 1910 she lived in USA-Montana, Veronika born 19. April 1894, Johana born 11. April 1896 and Rosa born 12.February 1899
- 195.250.208.15 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 17:41:01 (UTC)

william :
jim, where can i see details about the ghga trip to Gottschee in june? will it be before or after the los angeles mtg?
- 66.81.146.82 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 22:38:33 (UTC)

william :
trix, i just read your posting about the proposed gottschee documentary. i've written two books about gottschee (actually the second one is still a work in progress but i'm nearing a conclusion) but i've never pursued publishing either and i'm not sure i ever will since i feel the stories, while partially fictional but nonetheless based on very real people and events, almost too personal to share. maybe after i've died i'll instruct someone to pursue publishing them. anyway, i've thought about the documentary as well. i agree that it would make a good story and since no one really (outside our group) knows about it, it stands a good chance of being well received. your posting has gotten me to rethink this idea...

- 66.81.146.82 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 22:45:03 (UTC)

Nancy:
Is that you Marjan Penca? If so, it's wonderful to hear from you. William...The Gottschee tour is scheduled for May 25-June 8. I think you can contact Bob and Mary Rees for details.
- 69.179.6.236 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 22:49:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Weekend everyone..I always like to see action on the Plauderzimmer.....You really are a great group..God Bless..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:01:37 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Paul!
- 69.179.6.236 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:04:18 (UTC)

marjan:
yes, it is me
- 195.210.243.80 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:39:45 (UTC)

william:
nancy, thanks for the info. how do i contact bob and mary rees?
- 66.81.146.82 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:48:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi William...I'm emailing Mary to see if she minds my posting her email address on the PZ. If have the GHGA directory, I beleive the edress is in there. If I don't hear from her shortly, I'll let you know and send the edress directly to you somehow.
- 69.179.20.176 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:55:50 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, a very happy weekend to you too. And a happy weekend to you Nancy and to all PZers.
- 24.69.255.236 - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:57:46 (UTC)

Nancy:
How have you been Marjan? I hope your holidays were good. How's the weather in Slovenia?
- 69.179.20.176 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:01:15 (UTC)

william:
does anyone out there have any information on family osterman from the hinterland region of gottschee? the towns in the hinterland i'm most interested in are unterwetzenbach (nos. 6, 5, 6, 11), hinterberg (no2. 26, 41), proese, eben, moos (no. 2), stalzern. i'm most interested in knowing about individuals born after 1850. thanks!
- 66.81.146.82 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:04:21 (UTC)

william:
nancy, you can email me directly at wfr2776@yahoo.com
- 66.81.146.82 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:05:09 (UTC)

Nancy:
Done William.
- 69.179.20.176 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:10:18 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
To all Gottscheers: Also I meant to add in my earlier message that we have lost another Gottscheer. I will be attending his funeral tomorrow morning. A mass will be held here in Vancouver at 10:am and simultaneous a mass in Graz. His name is Ferdinand Wrinskelle and he was my fathers cousin. He was 72 years of age and came to Canada in the late 1950's. Sophia may know him and I am not sure about anyone else but thought I would mention it to all.Ferdi was born in Krapflarn by Tschermoschnitz.
- 24.69.255.236 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:11:57 (UTC)

william:
and another 'does anyone know...' question: i'm trying to figure out the village in which willi lampeter was born. willi was the nspd sturmbandfuehrer in gottschee during the nspd era. he was politically active during the 1930s/40s.
- 66.81.146.82 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:13:15 (UTC)

william:
many thanks, nancy
- 66.81.146.82 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 00:14:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you Franz. I am so sorry to loose another Gottscheer, a fellow member of the last generation born there. With him, of course, go many unknown memories of a Gottscheer life. I don't believe I know him but certainly could have met him during one of our visits to Vancouver. No doubt Richard and Emi will be there too.
- 209.240.245.72 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 02:09:49 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hello everyone! A couple of things..the creep that robbed me did a dumb thing..walked into a police station in Texas and reported his car stolen and they took pictures of him and I got to ID him!!!! Yeah! What a dope. And its turned into a Federal offense as he crossed state lines with stolen mdse :) Don't you love it?
- 63.233.11.112 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 02:59:13 (UTC)

Beverly:
Also I heard back from the local historical society as to my background and the questions I asked them if they knew about the Gottschee...they could only send me the info they had on me and I have much more than them! Anyway I am about to send them what info I have on the Gottscheer and will start them with it. I knew they couldn't know much and I know the area there in Iowa has many who came from Austria. Anything I need to check out on line to send that I may not know about other than our web site here? Let me know please. It is beverlyavis@msn.com
- 63.233.11.112 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 03:03:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry Franz about your father's cousin.May he rest in peace..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 05:52:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning to you all. Another crisp, cold and sunny day at Waukenabo.

Can anyone tell me where I can buy a good Slovene - English Dictionary? The price is?

Thank you.
- 209.240.245.100 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 14:24:54 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix,
I have used Amazon.com for years. They have a feature where you can look inside the book. This book has not been published yet but the price is right. There were other books on Amazon but this was the least expensive.

Slovene-English/English-Slovene Dictionary & Phrasebook (Hippocrene Dictionary & Phrasebooks)
by Nina Snoj

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- 69.204.141.56 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 16:20:36 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you very much Irene. Appreciate it. How are you? Think of you often. How is the PhD coming along? Remember, ONE DAY AT A TIME. Take care of yourself.
- 209.240.245.162 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 17:09:47 (UTC)

Fridl:
hi trix .die mauserFaml sind ihnchicago.
- 151.202.190.81 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 19:06:52 (UTC)

Peter Gasparitsch:
My Father was born in Schwarzenbach, he saw the pictures in the Bilderbuch and he says he lived 4 houses away from on of the photos behind the church, He was really surprised, never could imagine his home town would be on the internet. You really had to see his face to believe how surpised and happy he was, looking at the mill and river photos as well as the others.
Peter

- 209.23.210.4 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 23:04:13 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Peter, what a story! I can just picture the expression on your fathers face. It makes me wonder if there aren't other Gottscheers who may think their childhood homes are just a faint memory of the past. The preservation and historical efforts of all the Gottscheer organizations around the world really are special.
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 23:53:31 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Peter, do you have any family information from the Gasparitsch's of Schwarzenbach? Maria Gasparitsch b. 22 Aug 1887 in that village married a Tramposch. I'm looking to find out more on his name etc. Thanks.
- 69.242.161.158 - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 23:57:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes Greg you are so right about preserving all we can about Gottschee and the Gottscheers including photos. I know that whenever I receive one it just gives me a natural high and I value and appreciate it beyond words. So let's all work together ONE PICTURE OR ARTICLE OR MEMORY AT A TIME.
- 209.240.245.162 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 00:35:47 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Has anyone ever heard of a writer by the name of Karl Mausser? May have been from the Moschnitze area.
Thank you.
- 209.240.245.162 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 00:43:59 (UTC)

franz of Vancouver:
Hi Sophia Sory I did not thank you for the photo earlier I would like to do that now.spoke with Richard taday he said to wish you viele Grüße . The video I sent you can only be played on your computer compliments of " MrGermany Theobald Meditz." Sevus.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 00:52:40 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
Yes, Franz, I found that out today. My computer tower has a space for the DVD so I plan to get that taken care off as soon as ppossible. Can't wait to see it. I am assuming it is about Untersteiermark? Thank you Mr. Germany Calling. Have a good, good day.
- 209.240.245.162 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 01:32:51 (UTC)

william:
greg, maria gasparitsch was born on 22 aug 1887 in schwarzenbach #3. her parents were magdalena jaklitsch kump and anton gasparitsch. anton was born 24 feb 1856 in grafenfeld #39 and died 28 jan 1904. magda was born 4 july 1848 in hasenfeld #4 and died 9 sept 1894; she was the widow of george kump who died in 1880. (george was my gg grandfather). anton and magda were married on 9 feb 1885. maria was the second of three children. she married alois tramposch on 17 may 1907. alois was born 7 july 1880 in hasenfeld #9 and died 30 apr 1938. his parents were george tramposch and magdalena hutter. maria and alois had nine children between 1909 and 1926. some of this info came from jim and some i found in the parish books.
- 66.81.158.29 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 09:00:07 (UTC)

william:
greg, maria gasparitsch was born on 22 aug 1887 in schwarzenbach #3. her parents were magdalena jaklitsch kump and anton gasparitsch. anton was born 24 feb 1856 in grafenfeld #39 and died 28 jan 1904. magda was born 4 july 1848 in hasenfeld #4 and died 9 sept 1894; she was the widow of george kump who died in 1880. (george was my gg grandfather). anton and magda were married on 9 feb 1885. maria was the second of three children. she married alois tramposch on 17 may 1907. alois was born 7 july 1880 in hasenfeld #9 and died 30 apr 1938. his parents were george tramposch and magdalena hutter. maria and alois had nine children between 1909 and 1926. some of this info came from jim and some i found in the parish books.
- 66.81.148.22 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 09:33:23 (UTC)

franz of vancouver:
erika hope you enjoy this page.did you get to see the dvd the andere steiermark yet ?
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 17:07:06 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Hi Franz. I see your message to Erika. May I ask Erika who? A fellow Gottscheerin? From where? Where does she live now?
Danke.
- 209.240.237.132 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 18:44:02 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia: Erika is Mary Rees'first cousin. Her maiden name is Matzelle and she lives in Vancouver where she grew up. I gave her a copy of Ted's DVD yesterday at Ferdi's funeral.The Matzelle's came to Vancouver from the Tschermoschnitz area. I think you know her uncle,Fred Matzelle.
- 24.69.255.236 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 20:45:51 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Thank you Franz. I do not know Erika but am a good friend of her sister Mary Rees in CA. Thank you.
- 216.251.169.158 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 20:50:02 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Thank you so much William. I am having major computer crash. I'm getting ready to reload entire hard drive, copying files to disc right now. I sure don't like this, it's soooo time consuming. I'll try to be back sometime later this week.
- 69.242.161.158 - Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 21:08:51 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening everyone
- 199.243.152.21 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 01:07:57 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Sharon and everyone. Hope your weekend was good. We've been indoors all day except to shovel and plow. We were hit with a snowstorm that seems to be over now so the commute in the morning should be okay. Did you get snow as well Trix? I'm reading the book you recommended bt Ed Stalzer....excellent! I'm enjoying it very much. I wish everyone a great week.
- 69.179.25.35 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 01:18:15 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix aka Sopphia,

Below is the email address of a Karl Mausser. He is a dentist in Vienna. Perhaps he is the son or a relative of the person you are looking for. It is worth a try.

karl.mausser@businesscard.at karl.mausser@businesscard.at
- 69.204.143.95 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 13:46:29 (UTC)

Irene:
People ask me how I am. I'm still hanging in there, still on chemo. I have good days and bad ones and sometimes I am very tired from the chemo but otherwise my spirits are good. I have a wonderful son who visits me frequently and a husband who left me and took up with another woman as soon as I was diagnosed with cancer.
- 69.204.143.95 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 13:49:22 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,

I lost your email address when my computer went down a few months ago. If you have a chance please email me.
- 69.204.143.95 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 13:51:05 (UTC)

Jim:
Franz, is Fred Matzelle of Vancouver the same as Ferdinand of Widerzug?
- 64.12.117.5 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 21:58:51 (UTC)

Jim:
Irene, good to hear from you. Keep up the positive attitude. It goes a long way!!
- 64.12.116.71 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 21:59:25 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Jim I am not sure about that. I will email his niece Erika and will let you know.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 22:39:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Dear Irene: Adie and I wish you well-and as Jim says, keep up the positive attitude..God Bless....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 01:24:41 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello Jim: Yes, Fred Matzelle is Ferdinand of Widerzug.
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 04:55:27 (UTC)

franz of Vancouver:
Irene you can be sure Agnes and I are praying for your wellbeing .
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 12:36:22 (UTC)

Beverly:
Irene, I was diagnosed 14 years ago and this is what I have learned...When the going gets tough,its the true loves of your life that are there with you and for you and pushing you. Don't waste your energy on what does you no good. You will survive and be strong.
- 63.233.11.24 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 04:56:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Beverly - THANK YOU for your words of wisdom to Irene. Actually they apply to all of us who are walking the journey of life, particularly those complicated by health issues. You said it so well.
- 209.240.245.166 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 11:44:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Beverly-Thank You for the wise words you send Irene..Adie was diagnosed over ten years ago, and we both dwelled on exactly what you say..Thankfully, she recovered fullyand Irene we all wish you the same..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 22:21:11 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Know this Recipe?? Flour, 2 egg, salt, baking soda and water. Hot oil in frying pan about 1/4 inch deep. Pour in batter. When browning on bottom, but with 2 knives turning quarters over...continue to cut with knives as mixture browns. One of my favorites that my mom makes just like my grandma Rosie Agnitsch Fitz...served with sauerkraut, or other side dishes...I am told that grandma would make it for breakfast for them too...we call it Shmorn (sp?) do you know the correct spelling/name and is this another Gottscheer receipe? Is there a Gottscheer Receipe Book somewhere? Our other family favorite is the dessert Patica (sp? on that too)
- 67.116.86.88 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 04:16:48 (UTC)

Jeanne:
OOps...that's CUT with 2 knives!
- 67.116.86.88 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 04:18:47 (UTC)

Trix or Sophia:
Hi Jeanne. The full name for Schmorrn is Kaiserschmarren. The only thing that I add to your ingredients is a little sugar. This is very, very popular not only in Gottschee but also in the province of Känten, Austria and they usually serve it with cooked fruit, like plums.

There is an excellent Gottscheer cookbook written by Mr. Albert Belay (born in Lienfeld) 63 05 - 70th St.
Middle Village, NY 11379-1729. I think the price is around $13.00 including postage and it is multi langual. You will enjoy it.
- 209.240.237.131 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 04:38:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Jeanne
Yes, there is a Gottscheer cookbook, called Hoimischai Koscht - not 100% sure of the spelling - and it is put out by Albert Belay. You can reach him at AlberResi@aol.com. The recipes are given in both English and German. Excellent value, and the recipes are easy to follow.
Schmarren is what my kids loved for breakfast and they called it mushed pancakes! Send me an e-mail and I'll send you my version of it, plus Potica/Potize. ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.6.135 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 04:41:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry Trix - you're a faster typist than I am!
- 64.229.6.135 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 04:42:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Probably not Ridy. I just happen to open the site first. Hope all is well in Toronto.
- 216.251.169.19 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 15:58:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
Ah...Kaiserschmarren!!! We grew up calling it Schmorgen but since I've discovered my roots, I now the correct name. We always ate it at supper...mostly on Fridays during Lent. This was the only time we kids were allowed some coffee with plenty of milk to (slightly) dip the spoonful of "Schmorgen" in. My husband likes his with syrup. Happy Friday everyone!
- 69.179.16.207 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 23:07:26 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
I'm curious, did most of you grow up calling the meal supper or dinner? My parents always said supper, and my friends thought that was funny. Is supper a German word, versus dinner Americanized?
- 69.243.245.163 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 23:38:26 (UTC)

Beverly:
I never thought of it til you asked but it was always supper as I grew up and then got married and it became dinner. Supper I was told was served between 10pm and later...it was my East coast friends who told me and I say lunch instead of dinner at the noon hour and my mom still calls that meal dinner.
- 63.233.10.56 - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 23:51:22 (UTC)

Nancy:
To add to this confusion....I lived in England for a few years in the 80s...They called supper or dinner "tea." If one was asked if he/she wanted tea (the drink) it was a "cupper."
- 69.179.16.207 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 00:01:35 (UTC)

Nancy:
One more thing...it was Sunday "dinner" at my house (about 2pm.) Otherwise, the evening meal was always supper. Maybe it's a midwest thing.
- 69.179.16.207 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 00:03:57 (UTC)

Marilu:
I grew up in Minnesota on a farm and it was always dinner at noon and supper at night. Maybe it was a farm thing, I don't know.
- 152.163.100.11 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 00:33:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Weekend everybody..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 01:21:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
Interesting discussion about dinner and supper. I've found that it changes from place to place. Like Nancy, I found that the English (actually, Welsh in my case) called Lunch 'dinner' if it was a hot, cooked meal around noon. High Tea was what I would have called a supper, with sandwiches and dessert (and all desserts were called puddings, regardless of what it was!) and it was served any time after 4:00 o'clock. What they called supper was a cold meal, often with more sandwiches and dessert, not too different from High Tea and that was served between 7 and 9 o'clock. In our part of Canada we have lunch at noon and dinner in the evening, and if you have supper it's usually after some function and it's a light meal served after ten at night, and often served buffet style. Unless you're Spanish, in which case you look down your nose on anyone who eats dinner/supper before 11 p.m. That's why they have to have a Siesta after their main meal of the day which is a late lunch in my book. Unfortunately, in my case, I don't much care what it's called, as long as it's good food and plenty of it.
- 64.229.6.135 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 01:23:00 (UTC)

Nancy:
Are you an "East Enders" fan Ridy? I used to watch it when I lived in London and was so happy to see it on PBS when I came back stateside albeit, reruns. When I moved to the sticks, we could only get satelite t.v.with BBC and current episodes of the show! Unfortunately, our provider quit airing it last year. Now it's only available on a different satelite provider as a pay per view. I loved "Coranation Street" as well. I don't even know if that one is on anymore. Do you get either of these north of the border?
- 69.179.16.207 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 02:07:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nancy - we get all of those shows you mention, but the only one I watch is As Time Goes By. It's in about it's fourth rerun season now on PBS! They also bring Keeping Up Appearances, which I started to watch recently, and Waiting for God, which I enjoy whenever I catch it. I keep forgetting what night they are on.... Nobody can make fun of the British quite as well as the British do it themselves, I find. We also get the BBC news every evening.-
- 64.229.6.135 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 02:28:17 (UTC)

Nancy:
Ridy, we too get BBC news every evening. I think I've seen every "As Time Goes By" but still enjoy "Keeping Up Appearnaces." BBC America also has a new series called "At Home With The Braitwaithes"...(not sure on the spelling) which is pretty good. Thanks for the Charles and Camilla dig. Paul...do you have a nice recipe for a pesto sauce? I've misplaced mine and the only ones I've been able to find since just don't sound very authentic.
- 69.179.12.46 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 14:46:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry Nancy, I don't have a reciepe for pestoAnd I am with Ridy on the Whatchmacallitsauce-and i have never ordered it anywhere. I don't remember my Mom Or grandmom making it either...And I am with Ridy on the whatchamacallit -dinner -lunch-time wise etc. Adie and my one son are the timing experts-me I eat when it is ready, and I might add I also enjoy mid-nite snacks and/or meals!!!!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 17:33:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Strike out the line about Ridy and the whatchamacallit Sauce--don't know how that line got in there. But I am serious about eating when you are hungry...The last part of my business life was in trucking, and that was when I changed my whole attitude about how-when and what to eat-because of the horrendous hours.....I used to cook too, in the restaurant business and even when i was trucking..Do very little of it now..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 17:40:42 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
I agree with Paul eat when ever. But the main meal at my mothers house was always at noon especially on Sundays and we called it Dinner. After 4pm (around 5 nomally) was called supper.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 18:41:35 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Thank you Trix, Ridy & Nancy too. Glad I know the correct spelling and I will check out the cookbook...good Mother's Day gift for my mom! Hope all is well...spring made a little peep this week and then back to rain and cold...the BIG news for us was 2 tornados the first of last week! A real event for us here in the central valley of California...they were about 20 minutes from our house in a newer area near the KINGS arena. Fortunately only minor damage and no injuries. Have a wonderful Sunday...can you believe it is almost March!!!
- 67.116.86.122 - Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 03:56:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well it is after midnite here-so Happy Sunday everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 06:31:01 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Happy Sunday Paul its a beautiful day here.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 19:05:27 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message. Sorry. Will be caught up in the Academy Awards. Will log on next week.
- 4.244.192.128 - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 00:49:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
I'll make an early entry tonight as well. Helping my stepdaughter pack for New York. She'll be in tranining there for two weeks...Rochester I think. Happy week to all and God bless.
- 69.179.33.170 - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 01:25:19 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi all, I have a question. Has anyone ever heard of a poem about a boy from Parino called "Summer Song"? I have a copy of this and want to know if anyone has heard of it and do you know the author? Where is Parino and what is a Taler? as it is mentioned in the verse. Thanks
- 63.233.11.11 - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 05:28:57 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Beverly . try GOOGLE it is full of info re Parino, Taler and also poems and songs . Paul should be able to help re: Parino and Taler sounds to me like some one who is from the Valley.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 07:39:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry, I can't help on this one...Good Evening to you all. Anyone around tonite?
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 01:47:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
If I remember correctly Parino means Godfather..
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 01:49:59 (UTC)

Irene:
Beverly, Try typing the first line of the poem into Google. Perhaps the title is not exactly correct.
- 69.204.137.172 - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 17:06:42 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene I tried to email you but it keeps bouncing back so here is my email calliecat75@hotmail.com
- 66.225.172.215 - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 22:06:06 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
beverly, my caps aren't working, taler is any of numerous silver coins produced by some german states from the 16th century to the 19th century. does coins make any sense in the poem you referred to
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 22:06:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Beverly-Franz--Sounds like you guys got a real mystery on your hands.....Well, i just wanted to say hello to you all-gotta' go and get ready for the last episode of NYPD Blue-two hour final show tonite...Stay well--God Bless.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 01:07:19 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Question: I understnad that the German government paid the Gottscheers in America and Canada for loss of their property in the former Gottschee.I seem to remember that perhaps the Gottscheer Relief Assn. of NY was involved in this process. I also remember that one needed to file the appropriate applications and that payment did come from Germany. The question that I have been asked numerous times recently is whether or not the time has expired for the filing of claims or if the matter is still open.

Also, I have been told that the Gottscheers living in Germany and Austria have not received compensation for property lost.

Can anyone please verify:

a. Whether or the time to file claims has expired and if not, where does one go to pursue this further; and

b. Did the Gottscheers living in Germany and Austria receive compensation or not.

DANKE.

- 209.240.245.107 - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 04:19:22 (UTC)

Beverly:
The story on this poem is as follows...my cousin in Canada sent a copy to me. Her Grandpa was my Grandpa's uncle and namesake. Both were Gottscheer. A postal came from Tschernembl to her grandpa and somehow my granpa wrote a poem on the back of the postal after and her grandpa kept it forever. The postal notice was dated May 1911. It is called Summer Song and it looks like my grandpa wrote it also. Both she and I are somewhat surprised by the poem but I thought maybe it was my grandpa fooling around and that it might be a known poem to Austria...I guess not.I thought I would ask as to what you all might know. The first verse is:
- 63.233.11.223 - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 04:33:55 (UTC)

Beverly:
On a hot summer evening
a girl stood before the door.
Along came a youth,
already_______ from years
and sat by her side.

As you see there is a blank that could not be figured out.

Oh beloved lass, will you love me?
I am the schoolmaster from Parino.
Oh dearest boy how can I love
if I don't even know what love means.
- 63.233.11.223 - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 04:38:50 (UTC)

Beverly:
So if anyone can give me any info I would appreciate it. The more I investigate my beginnings the more I am just amazed. My grandpa used to make cute little poems up for me but this is way beyond what I knew of him.
- 63.233.11.223 - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 04:41:04 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Hi Beverly. This is soooooo beautiful. We just have to find a way to figure all this out. I sure hope there is someone reading these exchanges who will be able to solve the mystery. On the other hand, Beverly, it might just be one of those love poems for a beautiful granddaughter. Could be, you know. Either way this is pretty special!!!!
- 209.240.245.151 - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 14:07:36 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
I am looking for Gottscheers who lived in the Königsberg Untersteiermark area from 1941 - 1945. I have a GREAT map of the region and need help in translating the names of the villages from Slovenian to German. HELP!!!!!
- 216.251.169.167 - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 18:30:53 (UTC)

franz of Vancouver:
I sure would like to see such a document is it possible to scan and e mail this item ?, just wondering Trix.
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 21:48:41 (UTC)

Maria T::
Trix - My Mom,Aunt and uncle back in the 60's decided not to apply for compensation for their parents property in Pollandl. The Slovenia government is giving back some of the property to Gottscheers (very little) since we have cousins living in Slovenia my Mom and her brother and sister decided that they would give the property to them. So I would think that yes you can still put in a claim. If you are interested I can call my aunt who lives in Austria and ask her how they went about it.
- 64.12.117.14 - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 15:44:28 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Thank you Maria T. Yes, I very much appreciate learning more about this process. Also, it would be nice to know how many Gottscheers knew that they had the opportunity to file the claims for compensation from Germany. I know that my parents found out totally by accident that this opportunity was available and I then pursued the filing of the appropriate documents.

Feel free to e-mail me at wyants@mlecmn.net and post your message here too.

- 216.251.169.161 - Friday, March 04, 2005 at 16:12:30 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Trix,
I don't know if this is the right way to go but here's a link to the Slovenian Embassy in Washington DC. Maybe contact them and ask what to do? http://www.gov.si/mzz/dkp/vwa/eng/index.shtml
- 69.243.245.163 - Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 13:55:00 (UTC)

Nancy:
An early entry on the PZ. Have a great week everyone.
- 69.179.9.113 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 01:47:48 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Lovely and spring-like here in KCMO. Colder tomorrow. Chance of snow Wed. Hope everyone is well and enjoying nice weather.
- 4.244.192.181 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 02:41:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix; Many years ago my oma got reparations money for the family farm. I heard, at the time, that the Skakel (?) family started the ball rolling on that. Oma died before she had the pleasure of parceling out the money to her children. She had waited so long for the money, but it didn't get there in time.
- 4.244.192.181 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 02:44:37 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Eddie Stalzer: If you log on, want to tell you that Tante Leni is not very well. Will talk to her again this week and see what the doctor says.
- 4.244.192.181 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 02:46:03 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Thanks Margaret, Appreciate the information.
Good Evening to you all. Hope you enjoyed a good day. It was lovely here and the snow is disappearing but there is plenty left. Cars are still driving on the lake and enjoying some excellent March fishing. And, I might add, they taste wonderful.

- 209.240.245.154 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 03:01:08 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
what is this an early bet time nite or what .?I am wtching Mr. MONK What are you all doing?
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 04:20:56 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Greetings Vancouver. Good to hear from you. I am doing important work on my computer and listening to one of the very best musical CD's by Heino - in German of course. It truly, truly is beautiful.

Busy week coming up including grandchildren's band concert; taking Clint to the dentist; the monthly DFL meeting; Megan's last basketball game followed by the banquet; a political meeting on Wednsday and before you kow it another week is gone.
I hear you are cutting grass and planting gardens in Canada. Unbelievable that is the only way I can describe it.
Enjoy the week.
- 209.240.245.154 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 04:25:26 (UTC)

franzof Vancouver:
Yes Sophia as you know that is one of the benefits of living on yhe west coast we get the Japanese curent .
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 04:46:21 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, good evening it is now 9:12 lookes like not much going on here tonight. I had a good day, went to church and had
a nice lunch and went to The Film Festival here in Kamloops
and saw the well known film "The Rawdy Man" with Gordon
PINSENT a well known Canadian Actor and Film Writter.
He was also here in person after the film so we had a
chance to talk to him. He is a Nefie and we have also been
there, our daughter was born there. All in all it was quite a nice day.
Hope all had a great weekend!
Gutten ubent.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 05:25:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello everyone.It is a beautiful day here today-sunny-in the low fifties-but going down to fifteen tonite! So they say, anyway.I think mother nature has been drinking too much kahlua in her hot cocoa!!!!!Any way-wish you all a very pleasant week....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 19:25:30 (UTC)

Paul's Friends:
HAPPY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAUL. Celebrate and enjoy. THIS IS YOUR DAY.
- 209.240.245.166 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 02:05:00 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:

HAPPY BIRTH DAY HERR PAUL.
and many many more
Frank and Agnes
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 03:42:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You my friends, one & all..What a pleasant surprise. I feel like Sally Fields when she received her Oscar and cried. "You likeme, you really like me." Thank you so much and God Bless you....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 05:26:17 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Paul and happy birthday to you!!!
- 69.179.0.205 - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 01:08:49 (UTC)

:
Thanks Nancy-and once again thank you all....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 01:37:19 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Good Morning to you all. Just a reminder! If you haven't visited the many pages in the Gottscheer Bulletin Board recently give it a try. It is just plain delightful to read t hrough the many excellent Gottscheer messages. It has been quite a while since I have been there and once again, truly enjoyed the vast amount of information.

Thank You Helmuth for providing this means of sharing and caring too.
- 216.251.169.34 - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 12:53:29 (UTC)

Irene:
Who is Professor Revilo P. Oliver? He has a website on Gottschee which is hate mongering and embarassing for most decent Gottscheers. When I entered "Gottschee" into Google his was the second hit. Since Google displays displays its postings in rank order by the number of times a site is visited, this is upseting.
- 69.204.137.172 - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 16:54:16 (UTC)

Irene:
Correction: He is the second hit on the second page.
- 69.204.137.172 - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 17:25:57 (UTC)

Nancy:
Irene, whoever this professor Oliver was, what I saw was posted after his death. I agree though that it sounds harsh. Let's get the Kump/Staudacher site back on Google's page 1. Happy weekend everyone.
- 69.179.14.192 - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 01:48:48 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: Are you by any chance related to Rosa Kump who is celebrating her 100th birthday next month. The Krische sisters, Erna and Rosa, and Ida(?), her three nieces are putting on a celebration for her at Holy Family Church (we call it the German church as they still do the Mass in German) and I expect there will be 100 or so people there to celebrate with her and I heard some are coming from the USA etc. Isn't it wonderful to see such longevity in the Gottscheers, gives us all hope!!!
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 02:51:01 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Franz, not that I know of, but that is great news, and yes there have been many Gottscheers that lived very long lives. Those from Ridgewood may remember at St. Matthias there was a lower church downstairs where the mass in German was served every Sunday by Father Dalos, who was actually Hungarian but knew many languages. Imagine standing up and giving a homily every week in a non-native language!

That Revilo P. Oliver web site is so beyond-the-pale in its opinions, it almost sounds like a joke. Also that name is obviously not real, Revilo == Oliver backwards. Strange thing, the Internet, you can say just about anything you want without repercussion
- 67.163.156.138 - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 12:36:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Franz. I would enjoy knowing more about Mrs. Kump and from where in Gottschee she came from. At 100 she must have many, many stories to share. Would be nice to record them.
HAPPY SUNDAY TO YOU ALL.
- 209.240.245.112 - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 12:47:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Sunday everyone.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 19:56:34 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul: Happy Sunday to you to. Hope you enjoyed your birthday but didn't eat too much cake as I always do.
Ridy: Janette, Sonia and Shaun went to the Opera last night and as you are such a great Opera fan thought you would like to know they are taking advantage of their time in New York, also its safer than riding their bikes:)
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 21:20:32 (UTC)

Nancy:
All the talk about the German mass has prompted my mind to remember the occasional polka masses that we enjoyed at St Matthews Church on St Paul's west side. I used to dance on my dads toes (that's how hw taught me) but what we enjoyed most was just dancing in our living room to "Songs of the Blue Danube." It brings back a lot of nice memories. Also...I've been thinking back to the surnames of some of my classmates back at St Matts....besides Petschauer I remember Fink, Fretschel (not sure of the spelling on this one) and a few other names which I now know were commom in Gottschee. I doubt that any of us them knew what a common heritage we shared.
- 69.179.34.116 - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 01:12:14 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening all
- 66.225.172.241 - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 01:31:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. And an early Happy St. Patrick's
Day to all of you. Hope your March 17th day is warm and lively.
- 4.244.78.199 - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:00:07 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: Read message about 100 year old Mrs. Kump. My cousins and I said we were going to tape my oma's stories, but we never did and now all of the wonderful memories are gone. We wanted to tape Tante Frieda Jonke Willand, but never did. SORRY
- 4.244.78.199 - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:02:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Margaret and everyone. I hear you Margaret about wanting to but never quite get the stories written. Believe me, you are not alone. I wish that I would have done the same with my own parents. I guess I never thought they would ever die. Encouraging all, who still have their chance to record their parents memories, seems to be my battle cry but sad to say not everyone listens. I like to say that every time another Gottscheer dies part of our history goes to their grave with them. Such a shame. So, anyone reading this message PLEASE make every effort to talk to your ancestors, take notes, ask questions and convince them that it is important what they have to say. Thanks for reminding all of us once again Margaret.

Everyone please have a GREAT week. We still have lots of snow and ice and Vancouver has their gardens planted and mowed their lawns numerous times already. Unbelievable!!!
- 209.240.237.165 - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:21:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Top o' the mornin' everyone.. And have a great Irish Day.St.Paddy is one of my favorite holidays. And I'll drink to that!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 16:50:27 (UTC)

Nancy:
...and the rest of the day to yourself Paul. Has anyone out there ever used a professional genealogy researcher in Austria? If so, would you recommend one in particular? Thanks very much.
- 69.179.16.78 - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 23:46:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
This essay, in our local paper this morning, gives another reason why we are all interested in our ancestors, I think... I enjoyed it, and thought you might enjoy it too.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050318/FACTS18/TPComment/Features
- 64.229.220.22 - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 15:26:31 (UTC)

Marilu:
Thanks Ridy for the link...I enoyed the article.
- 152.163.100.135 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 00:08:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend one & all..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 00:11:58 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Happy weekend to you too Paul and all others on the PZ. Rainy weather here in BC but sun on the way according to the forcast.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 02:06:10 (UTC)

Beverly:
In my next life I want to come back as a weatherman...it is the only occupation I know where you can be wrong most of the time and still keep your job! And even get a raise every so often!
- 63.233.86.204 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 02:17:55 (UTC)

Marilu:
Ridy and I have and wear my greatgrandmother Peschel's wedding ring.
- 205.188.117.12 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 02:45:01 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Beverly: hear hear, you sure are right on that!
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 03:31:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Beverly-Franz--Some of our politicians fit that category too!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 19:18:13 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, that is really, really true. You sure are quick. Another rainy day here but this time I'm not listening to the weatherman or the politicians:), the rain will stop when it stops.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 20:33:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz: that's the way to look at it..Around here we always say "We'll take it as it comes." By the way all those e-mails that i get that tell me about the good luck Iwill have if i fwd them on It works, I just won $500. in our newspaper contest today!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 00:38:10 (UTC)

Dodie:
How does one go about getting more information about the two books "Gottschee between the Wars" and "Gottschee Villages"?
- 205.188.116.135 - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 01:57:09 (UTC)

Trix or Sophia:
Dodie: Write to GHGA Trasurer Kate Loschke Baum at thegenie@parkspringscommunities.com for prices and ordering. THANK YOU for your interest. Feel free to drop me a note at wyants@mlecmn.net if you have further questions. I am assuming you have a Gottscheer connection? To which part.
- 216.251.169.1 - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 02:42:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I must retract the info on my $500.00 winning. The stupid company that runs the contest just had a huge apology in todays paper..They made an error!!!!Oy Vey/managia America, and Dumbkopf too.Besides some of the things i can't say on the PZ...Oh well-better lick next time..Have a great Sunday everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 17:36:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
That should say better LUCK, not lick-am I mad or what??
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 17:37:17 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul if you are not mad you certainly should be. What a bummer. Well, I too say better luck next time. Another very rainy day here in Vancouver. Happy Sunday Paul and everyone.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 18:17:15 (UTC)

Jim H:
Happy Spring to everyone despite the less than stellar beginning. Snow, drizzle, and rain in NJ and the NY area. I hope the warm weather gets here soon.

Can anyone tell me how to order the 1930 tape of the priest's visit to Gottschee? There is a cousin in Germany who is looking for a copy.
- 64.12.116.204 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 01:27:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Happy Spring Day. I'm glad to say that we didn't get any snow this weekend.
- 66.225.172.225 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 01:29:24 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi everyone and Jim H...it's good to hear from you. If anyone knows of a film or video on Gottschee, would you please let me know too.
- 69.179.12.106 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 01:36:18 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Just a quick message to wish all a happy and blessed Easter. Will log on next week.

- 66.140.92.23 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 02:16:10 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Just a quick message to wish all a happy and blessed Easter. Will log on next week.

- 66.140.92.23 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 02:16:11 (UTC)

Trix:
The film from 1936, and re-edited about 3 years ago, can be purchased from the NY Relief Assn. I believe the cost is $20.00 plus postage. It is a great one with excellent commentary by Albert Belay.
- 216.251.169.172 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 02:36:47 (UTC)

Jim H:
Thank you, Trix. I will let our cousin know the email address for the Gottscheer Relief Association.
- 64.12.116.137 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 02:44:11 (UTC)

Jim H:
Happy Easter to Gottscheers around the world.
- 64.12.116.70 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 03:19:26 (UTC)

Marilu:
I have that film and it really is good. My family is not on it, but it was interesting to watch.
- 205.188.116.131 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 14:11:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello everybody-have a good week..Anyone been reading about the error on that newspaper contest? What doyou think about this?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 21:46:47 (UTC)

Ridy:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/21/news/midcaps/dailynews_lottery/index.htm?cnn=yes
Just been reading about it Paul -- what a bummer! And just when I was going to ask you for a loan, too!
- 64.229.220.22 - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 22:39:22 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone. Jim H...were you able to locate a copy of the 1936 film at the Gottscheer Relief Assn? I couln't find any referance to it but left have emailed for information on it. A beautiful day here in the St Croix Valley!
- 69.179.18.188 - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 00:26:59 (UTC)

nancy:
Boy I must be tired! Look at the spelling!
- 69.179.18.188 - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 00:27:46 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy, we don't worry about spelling here (thank goodness) just as long as everyone can figure out what we are saying.
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 03:37:04 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hey Frank and thanks for the email on spelling. It srue was ctue!...and you are rhgit....I had no prboelm redanig it ethier!
- 69.179.17.175 - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 21:08:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy:Whaaaaaaat? Just kidding...Have a great day..Rain and snow here-crummy spring day...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 21:37:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Paul...a sunny day here. I hope winter is over for another season! I tend to sleep more in the dark winter months. Perhaps, with the longer days, I might even be awake late enough to particaipate in the Sunday night PZ!!
- 69.179.14.122 - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 23:48:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Nancy-Still coming down here-wet snow-very slippery, But that didn't keep us from going out to eat!Got back awhile ago, and now it is relax time...Going to watch Alias on TV at ten. Sleep tight-stay well....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 01:09:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Oh-oh--Too much Kaluah in my Cappo, I guess-anyone in my time zone-Alias comes on at nine...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 01:30:50 (UTC)

Beverly:
About the spelling: Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in what order the ltteers in a word are, the only iprmoatnt thing is that the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.
The rset can be atoatl mses and you can still raed it wouthit a porbelm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe.
So Nancy...I wouldn't worry as it seems to be our job to decipher what you wrote! Have a good day and to all a very Happy Easter. Bev
- 63.233.86.212 - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 03:13:37 (UTC)

Beverly:
Sorry to take so much space but must tell you about my youngest nephew...at the end of Mass last year my dear God-son Corbin attended Mass with us at the ripe old age of 3...he was sooo good and in his father's arms. We were at the new church they built and were celebrating Easter as well as the new church... a church "in the round" to be sure EVERYONE could hear everything. The priest says, "Let us pray"...Corbin, in the 3rd pew from the front says to his father, "Lettuce! Yuck, I hate lettuce!" The place went up for grabs and the poor priest couldn't even finish the Mass...he laughed so hard everytime he tried he just finally gave us all a silent blessing. Happy Easter
- 63.233.86.212 - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 03:21:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Great story Beverly.We nede a good stroy liek thta onec in ahwile...HAPPY AND BLESSED EASTER TO ALL OUR FRIENDS ON THE PLAUDERZIMMER....FROM OUR HOUSE TO YOUR HOUSE..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 05:48:15 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
The Gottscheer Landsmannschaft in Germany e.V.
Board Director:Erwin Meditz, Vice - President Ted Meditz
It is my obligation to greet all participants of the Staudacher Plauderzimmer.And wish all Gottscheer in Canada & U.S.Happy Aester!may the Aester basket always be filled with good thinks for you.
We in Europe have 4.holydays from Good Friday inclusive Monday Auf-Wiedersehen somewehere somehow
- 217.93.242.239 - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 12:24:12 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Happy Easter. Got my Gottscheer cookbook in the mail today.
Having fun going through to find the stuff my oma and grossmutter used to cook. My mom's Parents were born in Bavaria. That was my grossmutter. My oma was Rosalia Jonke
- 64.218.109.7 - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 21:22:23 (UTC)

Nancy:
Margaret...I'm jealous...I haven't ordered my cookbook yet. Beverly...a great church/child story! Kids just say the most wonderful things....and Franz in Vancouver sent me an email on how easy it is to read anything as long as the first and last letters were in their proper positions. I forwarded to a English teacher friend of mine...she got a real kick out of it! Happy Friday to all and a very blessed and peaceful Easter as well.
- 69.179.18.33 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 01:38:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Easter from the Stalzer-Wyant Families of Waukenabo! Easter was always a very special holiday and celebration in Gottschee. Many of us carry on the tradition and it is still as enjoyable as when I was a very small child. Nothing like a Gottscheer Easter spread, lovingly prepared, blessed by holy water and enjoyed by all.

God Bless you and keep you well.

I would appreciate anyone reading this message to share their recollections of the Gottscheer Easter Food including dressing (Ville); sausages, ham; hard boiled eggs; green onions, horseradish and sweet bread. It is a MUST to remember this wonderful annual tradition. Danke!!!
- 209.240.237.161 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 15:34:13 (UTC)

Fridl:
Happy Easter from FRIDL TO ALL GOTTSCHERS
- 70.23.252.208 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 16:28:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Fridl, where do you live? I am sorry - I should remember but don't. Thank you.
- 209.240.237.161 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 16:29:46 (UTC)

Marilu:
Happy Easter to everyone. This year will be special to our family. My son-in-law is being baptized into the Catholic Church tonite. We are driving up this afternoon so we can be there. The snow is letting up and the sun is trying to shine, so the roads should be ok by this afternoon.
- 205.188.117.13 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 17:22:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I do agree with you Trix. Since most of our Gottscheer family is in Florida and Virginia, etc. right now, I am taking everyone here to a nice German restaurant on Long Island..Freds Family Restaurant in Huntington for those of you who may have heard of it..It was my idea to do this, because the young ones work hard and they also have young children to take care of..But, the best part of the day will be that my one niece wants us all back to her house for dessert!!!!! I am not making Villa this year-I'm not sure I remember how...But I am positive that my niece will have it at her house.....Have a great day everyone.Did not mean to take up so much space...Love ya'..................
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 17:48:05 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Happy Easter to all. Tomorrow will be the day for the Italian specialties as my motherinlaw spearheads the effort. We did make a delicious German style potato salad two weekends ago. I have the Gottscheer cookbook but my daughter opted for the Betty Crocker version which was similar but had more specific instructions.
- 152.163.101.14 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:00:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
German restaurants --- fewer and fewer around as the communities become less centralized.
- 152.163.100.71 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:02:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes, Jim, I agree. But life does go on-and we are constantly adjusting.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 19:12:48 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Vroa Oaschtrәn Göttscheabarә, ollәmitanondәr!
Herzliche Ostergrüße aus Toronto an alle meine Plauderzimmerfreunde in Österreich und Deutschland!
Happy Easter to all my friends in the Plauderzimmer!
Joyeuses Pâques, M. Krauland!

- 65.95.104.35 - Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 21:59:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
Interesting topic Trix. My dear father , who passed away over 20 years ago, was first generation American but on holy Saturday he always had sausage, hard boiled eggs, and green onions. I remember him liking horseradish a lot but just how he used it is beyond me. A peaceful Easter to all my friends on the PZ.
- 69.179.18.72 - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 02:25:25 (UTC)

Fridl:
HI Trix I Live in Glendale New YORK
- 70.107.87.223 - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 01:16:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Easter Monday everyone. I hope you are all having better weather than we are having here. It is an icy cold rain we are getting here. But it did not spoil our Easter Monday lunch. Kreinerwurst-hard boiled eggs-and a delicious potato salad.To quote Trix, it was yummy...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 21:25:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Fridl.Are you new to the plauderzimmer? I lived in Glendale on 64th Lane, and on Cooper ave too....Welcome to the PZ...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 21:56:47 (UTC)

FRIDL:
HI Paul i am on 64 pl and cooper si 1957.
- 70.107.102.241 - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 22:44:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Can anyone tell me where I can buy pork stomach casings for the Easter ville?
- 216.251.169.166 - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 17:53:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Fridl: Ihad several Insurance accounts on 64th Place when i was a young insurance salesman..My wife lived on 64th lane, and that is where I first met her, when my Father owned the candy store on corner of 64thlane and Cooper Ave..I have a lot of good memories of Glendale.Those were the good old days...Stay well Fridl...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 22:46:38 (UTC)

Bernie:
Hi fellow Gottscheers,

Just want to inform folks about some great audio (posted on 3/28/05) in "gottscheabarisch" that is available for listening at: a href="http://www.gottschee.de/" Biös Ahoime Ischt Göban /a , Josef Gladitsch's website.

Click your mouse on "Audio". Fascinating accounts mostly in a humorous vein.

Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
- 24.117.250.240 - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 15:53:44 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hello everyone, especially Jim and Ridy who are two of the people that I have chatted with; I am usually not on to chat, but I do enjoy reading the conversations. FOR TRIX - there are places listed on the web where one can purchase sausage casings. One such site is www.sausagesource.com They are located in New Hampshire & offer a variety of natural and synthetic casings. Hope this solves your dilemma. A belated Happy Easter to all fellow Gottscheers.
- 66.167.243.131 - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 01:44:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you much Elaine. Appreciate it. To which Tramposch from where might you belong? I wish you a very good evening.
- 209.240.245.176 - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 02:45:15 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
You are welcome Trix. My grandfather Franz T came from Hohenegg; one of his sons Alois married Lillian Koestner and they had 5 sons. Anyway, Alois had several siblings, including Heinrich, who is the father of Helmuth Tramposch, on the board of the Gottscheer Genealogy Assoc.
- 66.167.243.131 - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 03:40:43 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, all! Fridl is from Glendale N.Y. I have cousins that live in Glendale on 66th Street and 69th Street, is that anywhere near you?
Also, is anyone on the PZ going to Slovenia with the Gottscheer Geneology Group in May 25th?
I hope to meet some of you when I am in NY.
Hope all is well with everyone.
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, April 01, 2005 at 03:57:05 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Hi Regina, I am going to the trip to Slovenia. Haven't made my connecting flight plans to NY from Ca. yet, hoping to have time to go to Ellis Island and Statue of Liberty prior to departure. When are you arriving in NY?
- 67.116.86.35 - Friday, April 01, 2005 at 06:51:46 (UTC)

Fridl:
I Regina I Have cousins in vancufer BC ARIA .
- 70.107.58.109 - Friday, April 01, 2005 at 22:59:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Fridl. Who are your cousins in Vancouver? I have a brother and a sister there too. From which part of Gottschee are you and your coussins from?

Hope to hear from you.

- 209.240.237.141 - Friday, April 01, 2005 at 23:19:39 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Elaine. Good to hear from you. How is the old neighborhood doing? Those old brick buildings will last forever. Is the Forest Avenue Pork Store still going strong?
- 152.163.100.6 - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 05:01:07 (UTC)

FRIDL:
HI TRIX the ar from biderzug und Ascherlitz .
- 70.107.61.148 - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 17:21:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Does anyone remember Hoffmann Hall in Glendale? And how about the Glenwood Manor? B'klyn/Queens lyceum?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 21:24:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
Pope's inspired journey ends -
and may he rest in peace.

- 65.95.106.4 - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 23:12:54 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, all!
Fridl, we hope to be in NY on the l9th of May. I have cousins in Brooklynn on 66th St. and 69th St.
The names are Kump and Stiene, and Tschinkel,I hope spelling is correct.
I still need to phone them soon.
Who are your relatives in Vancouver. I have a brother
Josef Ramor in Vancouver.
I want to visit the village (Reichenau) Rajhenau in Slovenia where I was born and Rodine also where my mother
was born.
Ridy are you going to Slovenia or have you been back yet.
I have never been there since we came to Canada. I have been to Graz, Austria in 1962 a little bit ago.

- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 04:15:53 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Yes, may he rest in peace.
Now for a new Pope, I wonder who?
- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 04:18:04 (UTC)

FRIDL:
THER WAS MOSCHNER and tante elsa kremser
- 70.107.98.250 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 15:22:47 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Fridl:I had an uncle by the name of Moschner who is or was from Aschelitz he married my Aunt Rosalia Schmuck theyre doughter still lives in Graz the house name was voionsch
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 18:29:57 (UTC)

FRIDL:
HI franz the name moscchner from aschelitz was voionch had two doughter klara in ny. and rossa and alfons in germani

- 70.107.58.90 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 19:20:50 (UTC)

:
FRidl it just came to me I knew the whole family they lived in the same area as we and I knew Alfons and Klara quite well they were close to my age. Very lovely people, are you in touch with them if so please give them my regards they should also know my other cousins still in Graz, Traudy Moschner and Albie Schober and his sister Rosie Pernitsch.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 20:35:20 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Fridl, I forgot to put my name in.

Franz
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 20:35:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Coming to you from Fargo, ND. Lovely. 55 and shorts and sandals all over town. Hope all had a lovely week. Brother in Michigan expecting snow! Bummer.
Auf weidersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 24.119.210.189 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 22:01:14 (UTC)

FRIDL:
FRANZ die klara ist schon gestorben 1980 and der alfons ist auch gehstorben.
- 70.107.98.121 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 23:23:59 (UTC)

FIDL:
FANZ WAR DIE Ana schmuk vervant midier si war meine nacbarinh hir in GLENDALE NY. SIE VON MOSCHITZEN DANKE FRANZ .
- 70.107.98.121 - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 23:38:55 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Fridl Ich wuste nicht das die schon von dieser welt weg sind Ich kenne die Anna Schmuck nicht obwohl Ich auch von Tschermoschnitz komme vieleicht kannst du mir noch mehr erzehlen meine e mail address ist die folgende[ agnes @shaw.ca]
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 00:07:18 (UTC)

Eduard Stalzer:
Margie --- Hello!
- 65.175.215.89 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 00:55:33 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Friedl,Franz of Vancouver:
Betreffent,die Familie Moschner aus Aschelitz,ich kenne das Schicksal sehr gut.Es waren 3.Geschwister Alfons,Klara,und Rosa. Wir sind zusammen in Tschermoschnitz zur Schule gegangen 1980 Habe ich Alfons per zufall bei einem Gottscheer treffen in Deutschland das erste mal seit der Umsiedlung wieder gesehen.wir besuchten uns gegegseitig Tübingen und Reutlingen.
Alfons war mehrere Jahre in der Univeritätsklinik in Tübingen beschäftigt als Krankenpfleger weil er Groß und stark was konnte er leich mit den Patieten umbetten umgehen.
Der Alfons hatte sich durch eine Viruskrankheit angesteckt
und war viele Wochen im dem selben Krankenhaus gelegen,als keine Besserung mehr zu erwarten war kam er ins Pflegeheim nach
Reutlingen Ich habe ihn oft besucht.Seine Schwester Rosa Wohnte auch in der selben Stadt sie hat ihren Bruder jeden Tag besucht über 2.Jahre lang hat Rosa den Alfons die Speisen im eingeflößt bevor er verstarb.Vor ca. 3. Jahren ist die Rosa selber an einem Gehirnschlag verstorben ich war bei beiden, bei der Beisetzung auf dem Römmerberg Friedhof in Reutilngen dabei
Rosa war verheiratet mit Josef Matzelle von dem Segewerk
Joschlsch unter den Moschner Friedhof Neu Tabor.
It is a sad story
- 217.93.221.253 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 12:45:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Halo Mr. Germany Calling. Thank you for sharing this insight of another Gottscheer Family. We continue to learn from each other and that is very, very important and good. We all wish you a good week!!!
- 216.251.169.148 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 12:59:34 (UTC)

:
Thank you so much Ted for all the information, one more qustion Josef Matzelle did he have a brother? I seem to recall two boys my age that I went to school with I do not remember his brothers name. I think I saw a picture of their sawmill on a web page somewhere.I was at their house at least on two occassions this was also the place where all the teenagers would go swimming in the summer they would dive into the " KLUMPFP "
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 16:07:48 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sorry Ted, once again I forgot to put my name in. Also the last time I was there we played in a car that the Italian Army left abandoned. Strange the things that come to mind.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 16:09:50 (UTC)

Ted of Germany:
Yes, Frank you are right there was Heinrich a. Erwin und a s sister Maria.Maria she dead 4 years and Heinrich 2.years ago Heinrich spended 4. years in a old people home at Reitlingen I all way hat contact to them all. yes ther was a swimming basing under the Street bridge. As a president of the Gottscheer peole you have to keep contact to the Gottscheers in all Germany

- 217.93.227.227 - Monday, April 04, 2005 at 19:12:22 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ted Kölner karneval is beutiful got it working talk to you later
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 at 02:27:06 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Franz of Vancouver...I wonder where the Schmuck family is from that you speak about. Forgive me as I do not know your language. You see, my great grandmother was Maria Schmuck from Ribnik #6 and married Johann Lukan of Wretzen #10. Just wondering. Thank you
- 63.233.86.246 - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 at 02:19:14 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Karneval is really great-I tried a lot of the links-beautiful. Give it a try folks...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 at 03:40:07 (UTC)

Nancy:
Jeanne, I'm planning on a couple of days in NYC before visiting Slovenia...when are you going? Franz, god to hear from you cousin! Trix, thanks for the email explaining your Easter feast...I always wondered why my dad ate eggs, green onions, sausage, and horseradish...now I know. As for our dear John Paul II...my he rest in peace and may God guide the cardinals to choose an inspirational pope. Hi Paul...I must remember to forward my new cake recipe...it contains your favorite drink!
- 69.179.7.242 - Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 00:02:52 (UTC)

Regina from Kamloops:
Hi, Jeanne in Ca. Yes, we hope to leave on the nineteenth of May for NY and hope to see some sights too.
Nancy hope to see you there also.
I hope the weather will be warmer in NY by then.
Does anyone know of very very reasonable rated $ MOTELS in Brooklyn or close to this area, let me know my email is
drgardner@shaw.ca We don't need anything fancy just a clean place with a small kitchenette, no swiming pool or fancy amenities! Thanks
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 07:00:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning to all. Just want you to know how happy and proud I am of those of you going to the former Gottschee leaving May 25 from New York. What equally brings joy is the fact that those of you wanting to do some sightseeing in NY prior to departure are hoping to meet it each and do it together. What a GREAT way to start your Journey of Discovery. I know that someone will respond regarding a reasonable motel etc. Planning is as much fun as actually going - so enjoy. Have a WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL TIME and enjoy each other. Wish I was going with you.
- 209.240.245.66 - Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 14:43:20 (UTC)

Nancy:
Redina, I was thinking of staying in lover Manhattan but Brooklyn might be okay too! I'll ask around work as well. A few of my co-workers are from Brooklyn Heights (I have no idea if it's near Brooklyn) or....anybody out there care to recommend accomidations? I probably won't leave for NYC until the 22nd or 23rd as I'll have some loose ends to tie up before I leave. A beautiful day here!
- 69.179.0.152 - Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 23:26:41 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, Nancy sure would be nice to meet up with somebody that is going to NY. but how to do that?
Nancy email me at drgardner@shaw.ca and maybe we can get together in NY.
I sure hope someone in NY would just name a few (3) inexpensive motels for us and the motel phone # and I would be able to call them myself. I checked with the travel agency on the net and all they have are Hotels at about $100. a night, quiet expensive for 5 to 6 days.
Thanks ahead for anyone able to give us some info!
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, April 08, 2005 at 06:58:31 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Friday to all. Very tired...got up at 230 to watch part of the funeral before leaving for work but it was worth it. Regina, I went on line and may have found a nice B&B for around $65.00 per night in Brooklyn. It is the "high" season and I'm not sure we'll do much better than that but I'll keep looking and email you this weekend.

- 69.179.18.98 - Friday, April 08, 2005 at 22:03:11 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
To Nancy and Regina: Unfortunately, there are very few hotels in Brooklyn and what there is is expensive as is all of Manhattan. Where is that B&B you found? There are parts of Brooklyn you may not want to visit or stay. Have you tried Queens? It is accessible via subway and bus to Manhattan. I can't think of any off the top of my head since it has been a number of years since I lived in the area but there are some hotels near LaGuardia airport and JFK airport which may be affordable. Good luck to you.
- 64.12.116.73 - Friday, April 08, 2005 at 22:43:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Elfriede, the B&B is on Westminster Road....what do you think of it? It's called Bibi's and looks quite nice.
- 69.179.18.98 - Saturday, April 09, 2005 at 02:09:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy: It sure looks nice on their website,very quaint.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, April 09, 2005 at 04:34:32 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Nancy: Sure looks like you've been doing some looking around for a good place to stay!
Elfriede: Sounds like you know NY very well, is Glendale in Brooklyn or what? I have a cousin in Glendale, on 69th St. by the name of Pauli Stiene and a Alois Kump, he may go by the name Lois and his son Fred, or Freddie.
if any of you know them please let me know.
email drgardner@shaw.ca Thanks.
- 24.67.253.204 - Saturday, April 09, 2005 at 05:12:18 (UTC)

:
Regina,
Glendale is just on the Queens side of Brooklyn. Ridgewood straddles the Brooklyn/Queens border. I grew up on 68th Street in Glendale and my husband grew up on 69th Street. We have not lived there for over 30 years and neither of us remember a Pauli Stiene. My maiden name was Stiene and my father came from the Maierle area.
- 152.163.101.13 - Saturday, April 09, 2005 at 14:41:05 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Regina,
Sorry but I didn't type in my name in the last post.

- 152.163.100.74 - Saturday, April 09, 2005 at 14:41:58 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Hello Nancy and Regina...sorry for the delay in responding...finished the kitchen/family room floor install late Thurs. night...so a RUSH to get things back in order for our daughter's 30th birthday SURPRISE yesterday afternoon! All went well...but she got the BEST on all of us with the "SURPRISE WE'RE PREGNANT!" right after we yelled SURPRISE to her! So our 2nd grandchild is due in Dec.
I now need to decide on my departure from CA to NY. Probably flying JetBlue on red-eye direct from Sacramento. I am thinking either Sunday night 22nd or Monday night 23rd. The Ree's are staying at the Radisson at JFK, think the rate is about $100 a night...I would be willing to share a room if one of you girls what to split expenses? Thought that would be a good location as there is a free shuttle to the airport, haven't been to NY...suggestions? Bring me up to speed on your sight seeing plans. My main mission would be Ellis Island and The Statue of Liberty, anything else would be a bonus. Looking forward to meeting all of you!
- 67.116.86.71 - Sunday, April 10, 2005 at 19:08:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hoping you are all having a nice Sunday.Weather here is great today....I wish all going on the trip a very nice time..It will be interesting to hear your reports on the trip, when you all return...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, April 10, 2005 at 20:53:28 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Very late tonight. Sorry. Worked on our farm today. Lovely day, warm, windy. Headed for bed soon.
Spring turkey season in MO starts soon.
- 4.244.57.57 - Monday, April 11, 2005 at 01:58:59 (UTC)

Der lieber Anwalt:
A banker, a used-car salesman and a lawyer were
gathered before the coffin of a recently deceased
friend. In his grief, the banker said, "In my family, we have a custom of giving the dead some money, so they'll have something to spend over there." They all agreed that this was appropriate. The banker dropped a $100 bill into the casket, and the used-car salesman did the same. The lawyer removed the bills and wrote a check for $300.

- 209.42.192.2 - Tuesday, April 12, 2005 at 21:54:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
I just had to share my happy news. I've just had an email from the great grand-daughter of Veronika Tscherne whom I've been searching for! She saw a query on the net. I didn't think I'd actually ever find a living relative in Austria! Now if I can only find out what happned to my grandma's brother Mathias Tscherne who immigrated to the U.S. Still....I'm so excited that I can hardly type! Good day to all!
- 69.179.2.44 - Tuesday, April 12, 2005 at 22:26:19 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hi Jim,
Havent been on, as you can see, but best regards to you. Yes, the Forest Park store is still doing a brisk business, aided by the continuing influx of Polish immigrants into Ridgewood. Would you believe that I only recently discovered the FP Store - I use to frequent Karl Ehmers on Catalpa & then Morcher's on Catalpa- needed to buy a gift certificate for someone this past Christmas & knew that she shopped in FPS, so while I was there I tried a few items & generally, with the exception of the leberkase (did i spell it right?) my family and I enjoyed the food. Will be in touch with you soon - just found out that I have a 106 yr old third cous in Tennessee - Hulda Stalzer Dickensheets - the niece of my great grandmother, Alouisa (mother of Julia Verderber). What a surprise that this woman's son had never heard of the Gottscheers!
- 69.3.198.30 - Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 13:12:38 (UTC)

Ingrid Schneller (daughter of Annie Troje):
My mother's side of the family emigrated to Vancouver, BC, Canada after WWII, and were from Toplice (Pollandl) in Slovenia. My mother (Annie Troje, now Schneller) came with her brothers Hans and Josef and sister Rosalie. Any friends of Annie and Rosie Troje can leave a message with me. Josef is no longer alive (died of Alzheimers and Parkinsons). My e-mail is ingrid_schneller@yahoo.ca
- 216.129.91.130 - Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 20:12:47 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Elaine, on your next visit to Forest Pork Store, please say hello to my brother, Walter Kump, who is one of the owners. Make sure you critique the leberkase with him!
- 170.201.180.35 - Friday, April 15, 2005 at 19:26:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
The first time I tasted Leberkase-a trillion years ago-and I guess it was Forest Pork store-was delicious.They were justcarrying out from the back and it was deliciously warm.The guy who brought it out took one look at my face and said"taste?" I did and I was hooked... Happy weekend to all-hope ypur weather is kind to you..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, April 15, 2005 at 20:42:55 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Saturday to all. I have just sent an email to my newly discovered Austrian Tscherne cousin. Of course, I did tell her about the GHGA and hope that she will join. She hasn't said how she made contact with me and I have left queries all over but it may have been the GHGA site. I've been in contact with Mary Rees and I'm hoping to set up a meeting with this cousin while the tour is in Graz. Words cannot express hkow grateful I am to all of you for opening my eyes to our shared history. Thank you so much! Paul......so what is Leverkase?
- 69.179.8.159 - Sunday, April 17, 2005 at 01:25:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Nancy: Congrats on finding your Cousin...The answer to your question is that it is a liver loaf-baked liver loaf..It is delicious, if you like liver...How they make it exactly, I do not know.I know it comes out of the oven..Helmuth could probably tell us about it..And Helmuth, is your Brother Walter involved in the Huntington store here on the Island? Nancy, did i twll you that we had friens called Tscherne from Ridgewood/Glendale? Eddie tscherne had a butcher shop in Jamaica, N.YHe and his wife are deceased, They have two married daughters living now on Long Island..Let me wish you again, a pleasant-enjoyable trip....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, April 17, 2005 at 04:37:10 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Paul and yes...you have mentioned the Tschernes of Ridgewood/Glendale. I did have a great uncle, Mathias Tscherne who immigrated to the states but I have never been able to find out any more information than that. A marriage certificate search in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Quenns came up with nothing. I also have some Spreitzer relatives in New York although, I've never met any of them. My grandmother's nephew Ferdinand (Fred) had a butcher shop in Queens...I did meet him in the 70s...he passed away in the late 80s. So this liver loaf is baked...yes?...like a meatloaf? Sounds....interesting.
- 69.179.19.108 - Sunday, April 17, 2005 at 18:10:55 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello again. Just got an email from Ridy who found a recipe for Leberkaese. It does sound pretty good! I'll forward the recipe to you Paul.
- 69.179.19.108 - Sunday, April 17, 2005 at 18:17:47 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message and then go on to other chores! Lovely spring weather in KCMO. Royals baseball are lousy, as usua. Bleib gesund. Auf weidersehen.

- 4.244.135.250 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 00:40:58 (UTC)

Jim:
Isn't leberkasse a veal loaf? Great in the morning, lightly browned in a pan, topped with cheese and an egg over easy. Not recommended on an everyday basis but great tasting.
- 205.188.117.73 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 01:14:54 (UTC)

Jim:
The good weather was an opportunity to do some outdoor work and spruce things up. The weather should hold up until Wednesday. Still a little early for most plantings.
- 205.188.116.195 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 01:16:38 (UTC)

Jim:
Elaine, I look forward to hearing from you. It is always good to find new "cousins" in different places.
- 205.188.117.8 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 01:18:13 (UTC)

Nancy:
Jim, the recipe Ridy sent to me suggest lightly browning and serving with an egg on top. Shall I forward the recipe? Beautiful day here as well. All the pruning done but you're right...too early for many plantings. Good night to all.
- 69.179.12.55 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 01:20:29 (UTC)

Ridy:
The recipe I sent to Nancy came straight off the internet to give her an idea of what Leberkaese is. Most of them have absolutely nothing to do with liver. The best ones are made with veal, as you say, Jim. The more common types use beef and pork, and some also add pork liver. What is common to all varieties is that the meat has to be ground to a paste - much finer than meatloaf.
- 65.95.106.4 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 01:30:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Now I am totally confused about the leberkaese.All i can remember is that my first taste of it was great-and I had it a few times after that, and my wife told me only this morning again that it was liver...I guess it's like everything else-everyone who makes it themselves does it in their own way..I am going to call Forest Pork store in Huntington tomorrow and ask them...Have a great week everybody...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, April 18, 2005 at 05:19:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
All you Ridgewoodites may want to watch the news and see interviews concerning the new POPE. It was on channel 4 (NBC) at 5:00 news..Probably may be on again on the late news.It was nice to see St, Mathias and Marshers pork store.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, April 19, 2005 at 21:11:46 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hello everyone. Thank you to Helmuth - will ask for your brother when I next visit FP Store. Today was definitely a proud and busy day at St. Matthias, as I witnessed it firsthand and landed on CH 4 news at 5 pm. The camera crews from at least 4 stations ( 1,2,4,7) & a reporter from the NY post converged upon the school and church, interviewing many of German heritage; they entered the church, Morscher's pork store, and the school where they interviewed the 8th grade and our pastor Msgr Scharfenberger. This entire process lasted for several hours! It was a great site to see. We reminded them on several occasions that the Germans/Gottscheers built Ridgewood. Alas, by the 11 pm news they had moved on to bigger venues - St Patricks. It was truly an inspiring day.

- 69.3.198.30 - Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 06:01:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Elaine - THANK YOU for your detailed report on this big event. Could you write an article about it and perhaps add some photos? I am thinking this would be good reading for the members of the GHGA via our newsletter. Feel free to write4 to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. DANKE.
- 216.251.169.131 - Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 14:28:41 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Elaine, that's great! In terms of city neighborhoods settled by Catholics of German descent, you can't get any more authentic than Ridgewood, thus the news media's certain interest. Plus Pope Benedict XVI is from Bavaria, so close to the Gottscheer spirit and dialect which are so similar.
- 67.163.156.48 - Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 20:49:26 (UTC)

Paul B,:
Trix-It seems to be a big job to get that story.I've tracked down several leads.The last resort ended in an answering machine askinfor what i wanted and they said I would receive an answer in 72 hours.It would seem from 5 conversations i had with WCBS, that you can not get any faster service...Here are two numbers if anyone else wants to try,,,Both in the 212 area code are=975-2772 and 329-5256.............
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 20:57:44 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hi Trix & everyone who seemed to enjoy my brief recount of the news crews at st. matthias. I have, as I guess Paul has, searched all of the local stations' news sites hoping to find an archieved article about yesterday in ridgewood. Possibly the Times Newsweekly (formerly the Ridgewood Times) will have something in it tomorrow. While the photogs took lots of pictures, they did not use them in the papers. For those who may be interested, the following link which dates back a year or so, provides a few pictures of the neighborhood today. You'll need to paste address in your browser (i hope it works)http://queens.about.com/library/weekly/ridgewood/bl-ridgewood1.htm
- 69.3.198.30 - Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 04:50:03 (UTC)

Helmuth:
The cut 'n' paste link works great. Excellent pictures.
- 170.201.180.33 - Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 18:52:08 (UTC)

Irene:
Does anyone know if a Slovenian very small village now called Bac ever was part of Gottschee or near it?
- 66.65.214.66 - Friday, April 22, 2005 at 20:24:46 (UTC)

Nancy:
Are you here with us Marjan...my Slovenian friend? Perhaps you can answer the question from Irene.
- 69.179.34.213 - Friday, April 22, 2005 at 21:07:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Elaine: Have not gotten any answer from WCBS yet..But they did say within swvwnty two hours, so wh knows-maybe they will come thru. And by the way, I got a lot of pleasure ouy of the link you provided.And Helmuth, once more we all thank you for thr Plauderzimmer..Have a nice weekend everybody.....Franz, what have you been up to lately-hope all is well...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, April 23, 2005 at 01:39:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Pardon all the mispelled words..Oy!!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, April 23, 2005 at 01:41:20 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Thank you to Helmuth for his bulletin board posting regarding St. Matthias and this wonderful venue to exchange info. Paul - glad you enjoyed the pics too.
- 69.3.198.30 - Saturday, April 23, 2005 at 02:16:34 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, is anyone here tonight? It is quite late here in Klps, ll:30 P.M.
Elfriede, my cousins husbands name was Josef Stiene and before 69th Street they lived on 65th Place they have lived in that neighbourhood since they came to NY from Graz. Her daughter Daris and husband John Tschinkel also live on 69th Street. By the way do you have any relatives in Vancouver because there was a Walter Stiene here.
Ingrid, you said you had a Anne Troje that came to Vancouver, but I have not heard of this name mentioned in the past.
Oh, I just found the address of Rudolf Stiene in Vancouver.
Maybe you knew Matthias & Maria Kump on 66th Street?
Elfriede do you have any relatives in Vancouver because I have heard the name mentioned by my parents (Stonitch).
If any of you ladies want to email me here it is drgardner@shaw.ca......Bye for now.

- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, April 24, 2005 at 06:59:40 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Oops, sorry for the large space, I keep scrolling down and back to my typing to see what has been said and answer some so I think I scrolled a wee bit to much!
- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, April 24, 2005 at 07:01:29 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone. A snowy mess in Ohio. I hope that everyone is safe and warm. Cool but sunny here today so no complaints. I wish everyone a good week.
- 69.179.11.240 - Sunday, April 24, 2005 at 23:10:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello and good night..have a great week everyone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, April 25, 2005 at 01:57:58 (UTC)

marjan:
to Irene:

3 villages with name Bac in Slovenia, none in Gottschee area
- 195.210.243.97 - Monday, April 25, 2005 at 13:24:25 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you Marjan.
- 69.179.12.89 - Monday, April 25, 2005 at 19:05:02 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Follow up to the prior emails vis a vis St.Mathias Church. They had a longish segment on one of the local TV channels and I believe one of the people they interviewed was a Gottscheerin. They spelled her name Hedwig Laxner but I believe it was supposed to be Lackner. The televised mass was, however, not well attended and, despite the best efforts of the TV station, it showed.
- 205.188.116.130 - Monday, April 25, 2005 at 19:26:31 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
That is due to the exodus of the Germans and Gottscheers in the past 20-30 years from Ridgewood, and the failure of the younger generations to learn the language and the culture. St. Matthias now is over 40% Polish; the Polish Mass is standing room only!! The neighborhood has stabilized very nicely, and a lot of houses are being renovated. With the price of gas soaring, anyone interested in coming back??? You will be warmly welcomed. Have a good night.
- 69.3.198.30 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 01:47:39 (UTC)

franz of vancouver:
your gas is cheap we pay $1.05 per liter.that is about $4.00 per gallon
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 03:34:02 (UTC)

Jim H:
Franz,
yes, gas in the US is relatively cheap and we are spoiled. If gas were more expensive, people might buy less of those gas guzzling pseudotanks (Hummers, super SUVs, and so on).
- 64.12.117.5 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 04:08:17 (UTC)

Irene:
Marjan, Thank you for the information. It is very helpful.
- 69.204.143.73 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 13:29:19 (UTC)

:
Good Morning Marjan. I appreciate your clarification on the village of Bac. This kind of information is so very important to those of us involved in learning more about the former Gottschee. Where do you live? I would enjoy corresponding with you. If you choose please send me an e-mail at my home. It is wyants@mlecmn.net.

Hope to hear from you. Thank you so much.

Sophia born in Gottschee now Minnesota.
- 216.251.169.39 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 13:49:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Elaine:Since you say that that the church has 40% Polish now; do you think that they are people who formerly lived in Maspeth? I had insurance clients in Maspeth which were predominately Polish, and a few Italians. And I thought I heard from someone that the Glendale is still mostly German/Gottscheerish population-which of course would mean St pancreas parishioneers.My wife attended the school and we were married in St. Pancreas.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 23:30:06 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hi Paul, The Polish of Ridgewood are primarily either new immigrants or people from Greenpoint who are not able to afford the housing there. There are indeed, quite a few more Germanic people in Glendale, but St. Matthias is the only one in the Brooklyn diocese to have a German Mass.
- 69.3.198.30 - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 00:45:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Very interesting Elaine-because of my (younger years) recollection Greenpoint would have been more affordable than Ridgewood, and Glendale especially.....Times do change. By the way, the names Tramposch and Haufe came up quite often in my Gottscheer family.My wifes sister Emma Kren who was a Jaklitsch used to mention those names..Small world, right? Stay well Elaine-love to read your Ridgewood postings..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 18:18:08 (UTC)

Franz of Vacouver:
so Paul from whch area does your wife hail from or her family?
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 18:36:29 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Paul, I know I have heard both Kren and Jaklitsch before; I am surprised that your sister-in-law knows of the name Haufe - it is not Gottscheer, but there quite a few in the midwest. My husband had some relatives in the chicago area that his parents went to visit. Do you know where Christ the King High School is on Metropolitan Ave - bythe cemetery. Well my husband;s grandparents had a florist business there and in 1960 sold the 3 acres that they owned so the Diocs of Brooklyn could build the high school.The name Haufe was on the business sign. The Ridgewood Times, now called the Times Newsweekly, feature "the Neighborhood the Way It Was" on a regular basis. Take care, Paul. Love this Plauderzimmer!!
- 69.3.198.104 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 20:32:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elaine,Maybe that is where the name comes from. I know that i have relatives in the cemetary there, if we are talking about the same one..St. Johns?? My sisters- in-law by the way, are all gone now.we only have a few of the original family left bearing the name Jaklitsch.But the kids (boys) of course are carrying the name, especially one nephew who has four boys...I may be mistaking the Name Hauf for Hauck, perhaps, not sure..Tramposch-one was Anna Tramposch, that I am certain of...Stay well..I think we all love this plauderzimmer, thanks to helmuth...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 21:11:14 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz, The family is from Verderb, and some were from Verdrang.. if that is the correct way to spell it..My wife was the only one born here..When her parents came here, they landed in Brooklyn and then moved to Ridgewood and Glendale, where I moved to and met her. We had a candy store in glendale, which she frequented, and the rest is history..Nice to hear from you franz-stay well..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 21:17:58 (UTC)

e:
Paul, That is interesting - my grandfather was a Verderber but he came from Niedermoessel. According to my mother he had a cousin that was a Jaklitsch. The cemetery is Lutheran Cemetery (now called All Faiths)- right by the Metro Ave train station - St. John's is about 1 mile down the road. Where was your candy store. My granmother Lillian Koestner Tramposch has a deli acorss the street from the Glendale firehouse in the 1920's - I dont know until when before she moved to Richmond Hill.
- 69.3.198.104 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 22:20:43 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Sorry Paul that was my message - i'm trying to do this as my 2 boys are telling jokes
- 69.3.198.104 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 22:21:25 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul you meeting your wife in a candy store reminds me of the song com on to my house. I kew a Jaklitsch family from mitterdorf I think there wereabout 6 kids and some of them moved to the New York area.And thanks for the well wishes it is getting better every day I wish you and your welland good health most important. My little sister is visiting your fair City this very moment she tells me she is alittle disapoited with the rain and fog not good for sight seeing .
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 23:26:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Franz and All The Jaklitsch Family from Mitterdorf was probably the Krumeisch Family right? If so, they are my first cousins. Rosalia Schober Jaklitsch and my mother, Maria Schober Spreitzer Stalzer were sisters. Krumeisch Marie and Dolfie still live in the area.
- 216.251.169.146 - Friday, April 29, 2005 at 00:22:07 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Elaine. Great to see you here on the PZ. Not sure if you remember me; we spoke on the phone last November or so about our common Tramposch relatives. It's been very busy here so I hadn't had a chance to call again. Great stories you all have of the NY areas. It's interesting to read although being from KC makes a lot of this foreign to me. The pictures from Elaine's link of the old neighborhood were great!
- 69.243.245.163 - Saturday, April 30, 2005 at 15:48:19 (UTC)

Jeanne:
What a coincidence, checking the messages and seeing the name Jaklitsch! I have been searching records on Ellis Island trying to make connections on some missing family...in the house records for my FITZ family from Koflern, there are listed the names of Alois Jaklitsch and Antonia Widmer (it seems that maybe she married Alois Jaklitsch? Sept. 4, 1895) and I assume their 4 young children, first name not clear, Magdalena, Franz and Gottfried. The children were all listed as born in Brooklyn, Gottfried on Ellery St. I am not sure of the connection with my FITZ family? Anyone have any ideas? I am trying to gather what little information there is on my great aunt Maria Fitz, who came to the USA in 1898, I think lived at 196 Humboldt St, and when she originally arrived she was going to an unnamed aunt that lived at 183 Maujer St. Brooklyn in 1898.
- 68.123.111.101 - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 01:14:55 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hi Gregg, I owe you a phone call, but will email you in the interim. Glad you enjoyed the pics - you'll just have to visit some time!
- 69.3.198.104 - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 05:13:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Jeanne,
I was able to find information on the Jaklitsch-Widmer family. John Krauland has information on the family in an online site that you can link to via the GHGA home site. I can not find a link to your Fitz ancestors. However, on the same site, he does list Maria Fitz as dying in 1904. Not sure where he got the information but you might be able to find out more by directly emailing him. His email address is in the GHGA membership directory. I will also email you the current version of your family file. Most of the information is the same as the last one but I may have added a bit of information here and there.
- 64.12.116.71 - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 11:15:30 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello to all tonight
- 66.225.172.168 - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 23:58:20 (UTC)

Nancy:
Yes....hello to everyone! Viewed the 1936 Gottschee film with my family today including my only remaining aunt, Hildie. She was very moved. She is proud of the work done on behalf of her family history and thanks everyone who has helped me to unlock this part of our past. Thank you!
- 69.179.18.19 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 00:26:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well and enjoying spring weather.
Sadly, not us in KCMO. Freeze warnings tonight. It has to warm up soon, I hope. Here's wishing all mothers a wonderful special day next Sunday. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 66.140.92.81 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 00:31:33 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Nancy,
About viedwing the Gottschee tape. I cry every time I look at the tape. I can't figure out why, but I do. I was born in KCMO. My father and his family came from Gorttschee.
Does anybody else cry while seeing the tape? Maybe it's the music. I don't know.
- 66.140.92.81 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 00:33:19 (UTC)

Nancy:
Yes Margaret...I cried when I saw Tschermoschnitz and the referance to Johann Petschauer and his wife Marha serving refreshments to the priest. Of course...I cried when I found my first entry on my family in the LDS films!
- 69.179.18.19 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 00:37:05 (UTC)

Nancy & Margaret:
I am touched with sadness when I look at the film. I reflect on the smiles on their faces, their lives, and the unforeseen tragedies that most were going to be facing in less than six years. I doubt there are many other small ethnic groups that were lucky enough to have such a video documentation of a world that effectively ceased to exist a short time later.
- 205.188.117.67 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 01:39:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello, everybody ~
The films that make up that video were made the year I was born, and it is a priceless treasure for all of us. For me personally it is not only amazing to see my homeland, but the segment on Ebental shows members of my mother's family and the segment on Kukendorf shows my father's parents! My aunts, who are on the film, remembered the visit of the priests to their Gasthaus, where they had prepared a big meal for them. A most precious document for our families!
- 64.229.7.94 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 01:55:06 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hello to everyone. What film are you talking about and where can I get it?

- 63.233.8.56 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 02:23:02 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Nancy...please share where you can get this tape. This is more insite to our upcoming journey.
- 64.160.116.246 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 03:35:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Beverly and Jeanne -
The video is sold by the Gottscheer Relief Association in Ridgewood.
Write to: Gottscheer Relief Association
GOTTSCHEER HALL
657 Fairview Avenue
Ridgewood, New York 11385

or send e-mail to: gottscheer_relief@yahoo.com
- 64.229.7.94 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 04:09:21 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Ridy. Just checked back in. The film is also available in English or German. Albert Belay provides the translation. I thought I was the last person to know of this film. JEANNE....3 weeks from today!!!!!
- 69.179.0.225 - Monday, May 02, 2005 at 21:16:59 (UTC)

Jim:
Dear Nancy & Margaret,
sorry, I mistakenly put your names in the posting area with my last message. It was the one about viewing the 1936 film.
- 64.12.116.8 - Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 19:56:22 (UTC)

Nancy:
Paul B......I can't seem to email you at either of your email addresses. Thought you'd like to know. Also, my husband, another GBM....says hello and "how do you like being married to a woman with such a wonderful heritage?"
- 69.179.8.28 - Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 22:51:13 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy: I am getting mail at both my addresses, as matter of fact, i just fwd an e-mail to you that my nephew Louis Kren sent me. I sent it to you without thinking of your political persuasion..Try e-mailing me again...And your husband should know that almost 63 years of being a GBM should answer his question...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 23:02:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy-I must add that I was six feet tall when i became a GBN and had a full head of curly hair..NOW I AM 5.6 (with my western boots on) and bald .....Hahahahaha
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 23:05:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
OH oh I mean GBM not GBN-se wnat I mean?
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 23:06:44 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I give up, i can't even spell today---Bye--ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 23:07:32 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi,good evening.
I just thought that if anyone that will be in NY there will be a get together in the Gottscheer Club in Ridgewood on May 22 and I hope to go there (to the Club with my cousin) hope see have a good visit there!
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 07:03:14 (UTC)

Trix or Sophia:
Greeting Regina of Kamloops. Want to wish you a WONDERFUL time both in New York and in the former Gottschee. Have fun, laugh often, share freely, take many photos and return home safe. My thoughts will be with ALL of you during your journey to the former Gottschee.

I am assuming that your oousin in New York is Adele Hoch. I had the pleasure of meeting her in 1998 at Hawley, PA. Please giver her a bug hug for me.

Happy Journey. God Bless and watch over all of you.
- 216.251.169.36 - Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 11:54:51 (UTC)

Regina:
Thanks Trix, and I also hope all that are going on this trip have a great time, I sure am planning too.
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 18:12:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Have a great time Regina and all going on the trip.The get together at the club house sound great...Enjoy-God Bless..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 18:31:52 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
How many are meeting at the Club House - is this an event which requires a reservation?? The reason I ask is that it is only about 15 blocks from my house - if it is an open event i might try to stop by and meet some of my fellow PZers!
- 69.3.198.104 - Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 22:32:10 (UTC)

Regina:
Hi, Elaine. I'm not sure if a reservation is needed to go to the clubhouse in Ridgewood, but my cousin Pauli said something about paying $60 for the day, starting at noon.
It sure would be great to meet with you there and anyone else from the PZ that can make it.
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 05:14:43 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Regina, Thank you. I will inquire at the clubhouse; I would like very much to meet some of the kind people who have shared their stories and helped others discover their precious heritage.
- 69.3.198.104 - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 05:45:23 (UTC)

Regina:
Yes, Elaine sure hope to see you there.
Gutei nocht.
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 06:06:07 (UTC)

Jeanne (California):
BOY...sure wish I had found out about this prior to booking my flight to NYC on the 23rd. Might have met some FITZ family members! Hope you all have a wonderful time at the celebration on the 22nd! Regina you will have to tell us all about it on the trip...looking forward to meeting all of you. Nancy and I a doing some sites prior to departure on the 25th :)
- 69.105.197.49 - Friday, May 06, 2005 at 17:14:16 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, Jeanne, sure will let you know about my visit to the Gottscheer Club and hope to take pictures also.
I do wish I had known about it sooner too, and let all know about it.
bye for now.
- 24.67.253.204 - Saturday, May 07, 2005 at 05:18:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Mothers Day to all the mommies, Enjoy and God Bless you all..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 01:46:47 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul, Agnes says thank you for the Mothers Day wishes.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 03:40:48 (UTC)

Jim H:
Happy Mother's Day to our friends in the chatroom!!!
- 64.12.117.5 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 11:07:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Being a mother I say THANK YOU for all the good wishes posted in the Plauderzimmer. We appreciate them.
- 209.240.245.140 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 12:58:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Gottscheer Greetings from Minnesota and I, too, say HAPPY MOTHERS DAY to you all. Just think, without us, the world would be quite different. THANK YOU!!!!

I need to learn more about another very important part in our Gottscheer Journey through the years. I am interested in hearing from all of you who were born in the former Gottschee, resettled to the area of Untersteiermark AND participated In the long, long FLIGHT FOR LIFE in
- 209.240.245.140 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 13:01:53 (UTC)

Trix:
I apologize - hit the wrong key by accident......Sorry...so let me continue:

into neary Austria in 1945. I am particularly interested in the experiences of the Königsberg area Gottscheers. I would like to know:

a. How, and from whom, did you learn to get ready to leave the area?

b. What were your instructions as to where to go, what to take, how soon etc?

c. Assuming that you would have all gathered near the village of Königsberg then what?

d.Did you go on foot, horse and wagon?

e. Where did you go from there?

f. What did you see along the way? i.e. Soldiers, etc

g. How far did you go the first day?

h. Who were the leaders of the exodus?

i. What was the general demeaner of the Gottscheers? Fear, anticipation, sadness etc etc etc?

j. My mother and I participated in this journey. We traveled with the Maichins from Ribnik. My mother and I carried all of our belongins in 2 bags - one in each hand and wore our dresses. I think we brought food with us. If I remember correctly I seem to think fried chicken was included.

CONTINUED IN NEXT POSTING......
- 209.240.245.140 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 13:08:38 (UTC)

Trix:
posting 3:

k. According to my recently discovered notes, written by me while attending South St. Paul High School in Minnesota our journey took us 6 weeks.

l. Somewhere along the way a large group of us ended up in a huge field, which I think had high walls around it (like stone walls); I am pretty sure that we were surrounded by Partisans; we were all in the middle of the field and ordered to put all of our belongins on the ground in the center. These included money, jewelry anything having value. I am pretty certain that we were told that all (adults, I think) would be searched and if we did not comply would be shot. I seem to think it may have been in the City of Cilli. I also seem to think that a man was either shot or severely beaten.

If this sounds familiar to any of you I would truly appreciate your sharing.

To be continued.....
- 209.240.245.140 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 13:21:00 (UTC)

Trix:
posting 4:

Sometime along the way we were loaded unto a train (not a passenger train but rather one that had the big side doors that opened) and sat there for hours. Then it seemed we traveled back and forth.

Does anyone remember anything about this part of the journey? W

Where was it?

I remember seeing dead horses, all kinds of burned vehicles and machinery still smoldering and smoking all along this stretch. Am assuming that severe fighting had taken place just prior to our arrival.

Can anyone comment?

Once you got into Austria, what are YOUR memories?
Where did you stay?
How did you live?
Who did you meet?
How did your family find each other?

YOUR SHARING is another important part of our Gottscheer Journey which needs to be recorded and shared with all.

I ask and beg you to take the time to reflect on the past and tell us your memories, your reflections, your experiences and your stories.

Please share them here, in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer, or if you prefer send them to me at wyants@mlecmn.net OR write to me: Sophia Stalzer Wyant, 36797 - 500th Lane, Palisade, Minnesota 56469,

THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. I look forward to hearing from you.
- 209.240.245.140 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 13:22:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Happy Mother's Day to all the Mothers
- 66.225.172.118 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 18:36:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Sharon - the same to you. Good to hear from you again. How are things in Ft. Frances?
- 209.240.245.140 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 18:42:08 (UTC)

Nancy:
Happy Mother's Day to all of my fellow moms! I had a very nice day with my entire family. Jeanne, I agree...I wish we had known of the gathering in Gottshceer Hall on the 22nd. Only 2 weeks to go. Paul, I gave Gary, my GBM husband, the answer to his question and no need to worry? I never received a political email from you. Hello Trix. Are you getting the severe weather too? Just the threat of it here so far. Have a wonderful week everyone!
- 69.179.34.31 - Sunday, May 08, 2005 at 23:19:38 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there.
Lovely spring weather, with a much needed rain shower today.
Must say hello and good-bye in the same sentence. Must get chores done. Auf Weidersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 66.140.94.87 - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 00:56:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to you all. No weather problem yet at Waukenabo. We, too, need the rain. Nothing like nice and easy showers. Love them.

Hope everyone is doing GREAT.
- 209.240.237.149 - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 01:24:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello and good nite everyone.Hope you all had an enjoyable mothers day...Next month is daddies turn-king for a day-aaaahhhh...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 01:48:23 (UTC)

Beverly:
HELP HELP HELP! If I have not shared this with all of you I have a major squirrel problem...they have made holes in the side of my house and are in my attic...no jokes about "squirrels in the attic" please. Anyway I have had a man come and board up the holes and they just make another hole. This past week I went to a back bedroom and had a squirrel sitting on the night stand and just as proud as you please didn't bat an eye at me. Caught it in a bass net and we went to the outside and then the great squirrel heaven. I cannot find a hole or anyway it got in the house. I went to my local co-op and bought food sticks to do them in but so far no luck. Does anyone have any ideas?
- 63.233.10.93 - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 02:45:01 (UTC)

Maria T:
Beverly, I too have squirrels roaming around in my attic. I tried setting up a cage with some cheese and peanut butter on top and hoping to catch them. However, they are so smart they managed to get the cheese out without the cage closing. I was told that a professional might be able to get them out once they find a home it is difficult to get them out. Do you have any trees around? that could be one way they get in.
- 152.163.100.138 - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 15:27:35 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Bev - I am so sorry to hear about the squirrels. We, too, live in the county and have squirrerls around. I worry about one of them making into the house. They can be so darn destructive. I hope that an animal control person might be able to help you. Keep us informed ok? and good luck to you.
- 216.251.169.153 - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 16:33:17 (UTC)

Beverly :
Maria T...I also got the animal traps and caught one squirrel with bread and peanut butter and pecans...however when I moved the cage to the front yard...as I saw another squirrel in a tree there...I caught a skunk!I think I could have won money on that video show if I had a camera...it was really something. We got rid of the skunk tho with no spraying. Never a dull moment here.
- 63.233.10.49 - Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 03:24:52 (UTC)

Jim H:
Yes, animals are smart. I use a hav a heart trap in the backyard to get raccoons or groundhogs that get into my garden but they will often turn it over, take the bait, and saunter away. And I have caught three or four skunks. I was able to release them without getting sprayed but I used a long stick and a protecting board just in case.
- 205.188.116.195 - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:21:08 (UTC)

Jim H:
Beverly,
Good luck --- looks like you need a professional.
- 205.188.116.66 - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:25:55 (UTC)

Jim H:
From all the comments I am hearing, the trip to Gottschee looks like a wonderful time this year. I am envious.
- 205.188.116.10 - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 12:26:39 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Counting down to departure...Does anyone that has made the GHGA trip to Slovenia/Gottschee previously have any suggestions to special things to take OR watch for on the journey? I'm putting together a binder with my family trees (Fitz/Fink from Kolfern and Agnitsch/Schober from Reuter); copies of photographs of a few of the immigrating family members...and some of our family now. Small tape recorder, camera of course! Going to Ellis Island for the first time prior to leaving as well! Looking forward to meeting some of you in person!!! Hope to make the convention the end of June as well!
- 68.124.103.77 - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 16:55:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Friday the 13th-oooooooo-have a great weekend any everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:19:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
That last message should have said-have a nice weekend anyway, everyone..Maybe I should go back to sleep until the 14th !! ??
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:22:08 (UTC)

Tim Coen:
Greetings to all Gottscheer. I am half Gottschee-my mother is a Jaklitsch from Ridgewood, New York. Her parents were Frank and Josephine Jaklitsch from Zwischlern, Austria. Does anyone know if there is a Gottschee get together in California this year? Thanks.
- 66.81.30.205 - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 05:23:52 (UTC)

Jeanne:
TIM...Yes! the convention is the last weekend of June. The information and registration are on the GHGA website I think. My family has some connection with the Jaklitsch family...there was an Alois and Antonia who are listed as living in the same house with my FITZ ancestors around 1904.
Their children at the time were Magdalena, Franz and Gottfried. There was another but I can't read the name. They must have been visiting, as the three named children were born in Brooklyn. Where are you in CA? I live north of Sacramento.
- 68.124.103.77 - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 06:27:08 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Tim, I should have proofed my prior message better. The FITZ family house was in Koflern, Gottschee. When you check the GHGA site look at the Family Data on Krauland...there are many Jaklitsch names listed.
- 68.124.103.77 - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 06:29:36 (UTC)

Jim H:
Tim, welcome aboard. I am originally from Gates Avenue in Brooklyn. Where did your family live?
- 205.188.116.73 - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 10:50:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Tim, I too would like to know..My wife is a Jaklitsch. the family lived in Ridgewwod/Broolyn and Glendale in New york.We may be distant cousins!There was Max-Robert-Mitzie, and Helen...Gertrude-Johaan-Emily-Emma-Rudy-Franz...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 20:04:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix: You mentioned the name Maichin in one of your postings.Do you remember their first names?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 23:45:40 (UTC)

Regin in Kamloops:
Hi, Paul I just read the name Maichin there is a large family in Richmond BC Herta, Erica, Mimi, andother girls but only one male Alois and he is married to Elfriede Hoegler in Richmond. I think maybe Ridy knows of these Maichin.
- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 04:20:52 (UTC)

Paul B.:
The Maichins that we knew lived a couple of houses away from my Mother and father in-law.They were Julia and John-had a son John,all deceased. Their two daughters Elsie and Frieda live in Pennsylvania. They were in the knitting mill business...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 06:00:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yes, I'm related to Elfie Hoegler, who is married to Alois, and my cousin, Helmut Eppich is married to Hilde Maichin. They never lived in the New York area as far as I know - they came to BC after WWII
- 64.229.205.72 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 14:00:59 (UTC)

Trix or Sophia:
From the Gottscheer Bulletin Board:

Tim Coen tcoen@isp.com
My mother's maiden name was Jaklitsch. Her parents, Frank and Josephine migrated to Ridgewood, New York in 1919 and 1921, respectively. They both grew up in Gottschee in the village of Zwischiern which at the time was in Austria. They knew each other as children. I am interested in learning about the culture and food of this area and people. My grandmother's family ran a local tavern and meeting house for the village. I believe she came from a family of eleven children. Thanks for any information. I just found this web site today.
Fallbrook, California USA - Friday, May 13, 2005 at 18:08:49 (UTC)
- 209.240.245.92 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 15:15:00 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hi everyone; on the topic of Maichins - there was a family in Ridgewood that I grew up with & went to St. Matthias with - 3 daughters: Lottie(prob Charlotte), Carolyn, & Frieda. Dont know their parents names, but mother is still living on 69th Ave. Also know of two Eppich families, unrelated to each other (as far as they know): Robert Eppich, who now lives in Glendale, & Edward Eppich who still lives in Ridgewood & used to be owner of Forget-Me-Not Florist (for those of you who might remember). Anyway, have a good day - the sun is struggling to come out here.

- 69.3.198.104 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 15:17:20 (UTC)

Trix or Sophia:
Good Morning to you all. The Maichins that I wrote about came from the village of Ribnik by Tschermoschnitz.

Very, very cool at Waukenabo today. Minnesota fishing season is in full swing even if they need to wear long underwear and wintercoats. Have to admit though, nothing like a fresh caught fish from the cold, cold water. Nummmmmy.

Everyone enjoy a GREAT Sunday.
- 209.240.245.92 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 15:38:40 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Trix..."cool" is an understatement! We grilled out today and had to wear our winter jackets! Jeanne tells me that the weather in both NYC and Slovenia isn't much better. Oh well...Off we go next week! Tim Coen...welcome to the PZ and I'm sure that you've come to the right place for help in discovering your history! Have a great week everyone.
- 69.179.13.61 - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 23:14:24 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Cool and windy in KCMO. Hope all are well and had a good week. Will leave message early and goback to my Sunday night chores.
- 66.140.94.92 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 00:37:32 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, everyone hope you all had a great weekend relaxing.
Well all who are traveling to Gottschee, will see you all in NY. I am looking forward to this trip and meeting some of you!
Talk to you when I get back.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 00:42:43 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi Sophia, I was so hoping that when I saw your posting with the mention of Ribnik it would prompt someone else to say they knew about the village. There were so few houses. My cousin Kathy Rosenkranz and I are so hungry for any info...more than we have. We have relatives still in Austria and they sent pictures of where house #6 was and there is still the rock wall in front. Also keep waiting for someone to bring up the Lukan name...my grandparents...always watching on the message boards
- 63.233.11.174 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 03:04:35 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Beverly. Actually I am working on a photo map of Ribnik that shows some of the houses etc. My brother Richard lived in Ribnik for a couple of years and knew the village very well. He has been a great help. As soon as I get the documentation done you and Kathy both will receive copies. They are very interesting.

My connection to Ribnik goes way back too. When I was 3 years old my mother was hired by the Maichin family of Ribnik to do all the cooking and baking for their daughter's upcoming wedding. I spent the week there. Even though I was very young at the time I still see the Maichin bride standing in the window and crying as she was waiting for the groom to pick her up.

Since that time and quite by accident I learned that this Maichin daughter lived in NY but died before I received that information. She had a daughter and a son. I had the pleasure of meeting both in 1998 while attending the GHGA annual meeting in Hawley, PA. They brought a big photo album with them contained many photos and I think numerous from Ribnik. If you are interested let me know and I shall gladly give you their name and address. You might be lucky and find all kinds of photos.
- 209.240.237.132 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 03:24:06 (UTC)

Beverly:
YES YES YES ...please send me the address and I will write and request or beg for copies of pics or perhaps she can email them to me....I don't know if Kathy's computer is up and running...she has trouble with her server in Canada...she will flip at this chance to find photos. Thank you.
- 63.233.11.174 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 03:33:21 (UTC)

Sophia:
Bev will do it in the morning ok? Good night to you and to all.
- 209.240.237.132 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 03:39:41 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Beverly - dont know how long you have been on the PZ but have you explored if you have any relation to the Lukans of PA - the resort owners. I know one of the direct descendants so if you have not checked out this path, let me know and I can get you a contact.
- 69.3.198.104 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 04:29:26 (UTC)

Beverly:
Thanks Elaine...way back when I started doing this research I contacted the Lukan resort and the gentleman answered and seemed to think if we were connected it would have been pre 1700...I just always look for the name. There has always been talk of a Lukan brother that stayed in Ohio and started a lumber company but have not found any info as of yet. Thanks for your in put Elaine.
- 63.233.106.23 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 15:26:02 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Regarding the Lukan's in Hawley - I am pretty sure they come from Unterdeutschau.
- 209.240.245.97 - Monday, May 16, 2005 at 17:10:44 (UTC)

Jim H:
Beverly,
I have traced your Lukans and the Lukans from Hawley back and I think there is a link but it goes back to the 1700s. Although the Hawley Lukans were from Unterdeutschau, both your and their Lukan trees ultimately link into Wretzen#10 early on.
- 64.12.116.136 - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 01:36:18 (UTC)

Beverly:
Thank you Jim and Sophia. I have a picture of Wretzen and have had note cards made with the image. Does anyone know the size of Wretzen...was it as small as Ribnik? I sometimes think I ask such dumb questions and your patience is surely appreciated. I also wonder constantly how many more "children of Gottschee" are out there and do not know their heritage like I did not. I only knew my great-grand parents came from Austria. I am going back to Iowa the end of this month which is where I was raised to find out more info now that I know some things. I am taking all my Gottschee literature with me to share with the historical society in Dyersville and surrounding communities. I know there are bunches of "kids" like me and I am hoping to share and put them in touch. It is also that I intend to contact the local newspaper and see if I can get some kind of thing started with them too. It is a small town paper that serves about 12 different communities. I have Ridy's book and the things I have been sent from the association .People need to know this before all the ones that can relate stories are gone. :)
- 63.233.10.41 - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 02:52:44 (UTC)

Beverly:
Sophia, Kathy and I both await the work you ae doing on the map/photo of Ribnik...I cannot believe that your brother actually lived there. My understanding is that it is also near a very dense forest that I am told contains many mass graves...is that true?
- 63.233.10.41 - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 03:15:22 (UTC)

Sophia:
Bev and Kathy - Do not fear. You will receive copies when done. Have a great day evryone. Raining at Waukenabo.
- 216.251.169.35 - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 12:42:40 (UTC)

Marilu:
The history I have been working on with my friend Lori, has been posted to the Clinton County Website. There are several Gottcheer families listed. Let me know if I have made any errors in it. http://www.rootsweb.com/~iaclinto/places/waterford/riggs.htm
- 207.200.116.14 - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 02:22:40 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening. It has been a while since I signed on, many interesting items to read. Everyone is so helpful with our Gottscheer heritage. Mr. Lukan is from Unterdeutschau, Mrs. Lukan from Nesseltal. Since I am also from Unterdeutschau and Mrs. Lukan's sister married my mother's cousin from Unterdeutschau out of Nesseltal. A small world. Our EOUV club from Cleveland will be traveling to Hawley, PA to Lukan's on the first Friday of June, we will be attending the Picnic in New York at Franklin square. We hope that this time we will find it to be better weather. We will be leaving Cleveland on Friday and returning on Monday. It is always a lot of fun to go on this trip. The Lukan's really know how to be the perfect hosts to the guests. The food is excellent, we all come home with quite a few pounds on our lovely bodies.

Will let you know how it was and I hope we will see some of you attending the picnic also. Have a wonderful weekend

- 64.12.116.197 - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 03:21:15 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Paul thank you Ich wünsche dier auch ebenfalls das gleiche .
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 20:52:22 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hello everyone....going back over some things. House #6 in Ribnik is where my famiy came from...still trying to understand what the name of the house means...is there a translation? It is called Orisch. I am looking at a list of names and noted also that numbers are missing as it jumps from 9 to 13,14 and then to 17??? I am assuming that when this list was made those house no longer existed.
- 63.233.10.216 - Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 03:12:45 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Am posting this early, as I have plans for later. Summer is already here in KC. Wanted everyone to know that my Tante Leni Yonke in Mahopac, NY, is having cancer treatment. I would appreciate your prayers. Thank you so much.
- 208.188.203.44 - Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 13:58:11 (UTC)

Paul B:
Margaret: Your Tante is in our prayers-God Bless....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 18:51:49 (UTC)

Jim:
Margaret: I echo Paul's message. Good luck to your aunt in her treatments.
- 205.188.117.135 - Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 22:52:09 (UTC)

Trix:
Same here Margaret. We all know that prayers help. God Bless.
- 209.240.237.170 - Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 23:30:58 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
To all of our friends who departing starting tomorrow on their trip to Gottschee we wish you a safe and wonderful journey. Our thoughts will be with you daily and we are most anxious to hear all about it upon your return. Have fun; enjoy the wonderful hospitality of both the Gottscheer and Slovenian people you will meet along the way and be sure and eat some of the best cuisine anywhere for us too. God Bless and enjoy!!!!
- 209.240.237.170 - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 01:51:40 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Trix...I'll get in touch in a few weeks! Finally finished packing and must try to get some sleep. Have to make it to the airport by 5:30am. I'll be thinking of you! Margaret, I'll keep your aunt in my prayers.
- 69.179.15.112 - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 02:52:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Safe trip to you all.. Elaine did you make it to the clubhouse?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 03:35:57 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Hi Paul - Sorry, even with the best of intentions, it did not work out for me to get to the clubhouse. My son had a track meet today and that is a 5-hour time block. I am happy to report that through the visitor's log I was able to locate someone I had attended grammar school with - will attempt to reconnect at the Gottscheer picnic next month in Franklin Square. .....I wish God's blessings to all who are makig the trip and may it be to them what they are hoping for..... Margaret: will keep your aunt in my orayer intentions & hope she does well...... Hope the weather is better there than it has been in NY lately - was in the low 50's & had to resort to putting the heat back up to take off the chill and dampness....figures - just prepared my garden for my tomato plants - hope they can weather this low temperature...suppose to be unusually cool her in NY this week.....Wishing everyone a good night and good week.
- 67.101.31.201 - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 04:10:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Elaine-Sorry you missed the clubhouse, as i did...I am pushing for the Franklin Square picnic..We have so many things on the agenda, it's hard to predict just now..But, I did have an Idea..For those of us that do attend, that do not know and/or have ever met some of the PZers, how about we make a little ID Card and pin it to our clothing in plain view. Something simple like a piece of Pad paper or blank side of a business card with a large letter "P" or "PZ" that is veryvisible, and then we can identify to one another as Plauderzimmer members.And again we can be thankful to Helmuth....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 20:40:28 (UTC)

Teresa Reynolds:
Sophia aka Trix you may not remember me - I was the English Embroidery lady who visited Gotschee a couple of years ago ref Maria Eooich - I have moved house and chaned e mail addresses - I now live in the country nr Oxford in England. I have lost yr e mail address can you drop me a line when you get a moment to teresareynolds@btinternet.com
Kindest Regards

Teresa
- 81.153.31.41 - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:04:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Teresa. So good to hear from you. I have sent you an e-mail. Remember you? Are you kidding - how could I possibly forget you!!! What a GREAT job you did joining the Gottscheers during the 1999 trip and bringing with you that lovely, lovely Maria Eppich work of art. I look forward tohearing from you.
- 216.251.169.13 - Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 11:56:08 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi Ted Got your letter and what a great picture of the family many thanks. will you be able to meet with any of the homeland visitors? we already got to see some of the pictures from Klagenfurt that Sophia was kind enough to forward,if you did not get to see it I would be happy to forward it.We hope to hear from/about the travelers again. will write you soon Servus.
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, May 27, 2005 at 19:57:50 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
Greetings from Waukenabo. Our Gottscheer friends arrived in Klagenfurt and were royally greeted by numerous Gottscheers including Dr. Michitsch, Martha Tiefenbacher etc. After a 2 day stay in Laibach - Ljubljana they are now in the City of Gottschee. Tomorrow they will attend mass there and observe the customary First Holy Communion. A visit to the beautiful Gottscheer Museum and dinner at Jasenc Restaurant are also on the agenda along with entertainment and visiting numerous Gottscheer villages. We send them greetings and wish they a GREAT time.
- 209.240.237.156 - Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 14:36:14 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia thanks very much for the news on the Gottscheer travelers. we sure hope they are having a wonderful time and that you will keep us updated please.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 03:43:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix:Yes, since you are geting news about the Gottscheer visitors, please keep us posted-their visit i am sure wil be educational-and intersting-fruitful, and most of all enjoyable,,,They certainly are fortunate to have been able to visit the homeland...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 29, 2005 at 19:11:50 (UTC)