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Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Memorial Day to all. We are expecting rain in KCMO. Hope the picnics and pool parties are not
ruined. Thank you for the prayers for my Tante Leni. We talked over the phone Thursday. The treatments are very debilitating. Glad to report that my family is well.
Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 4.244.192.217 - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 00:05:57 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
GOOD NITE ALL AND HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY---GOD BLESS ALL OUR SERVICE MEN & WOMEN-PRAY FOR THEIR SAFETY...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 02:17:09 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello to all of my freinds. We are currently in Kocevje/Gottschee. The trip has been wonderful so far and very moving at times. Had the pleasure of being intertained by a vocal group yesterday and they will be performing at this years Treffen in Toronto. On to Toplice today...forgot to pack addresses so this is my greeting. Hello Frank, Paul, Trix and Ridy....we will be in Ebental today and they have done some resoration work at the church...I will take pictures for you. Take care all of you and I will check in when we return. Happy Memorial Day.
- 193.77.91.78 - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 05:17:48 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Nancy its great to hear from you and what a nice surprise. Its easier for you to say hello to all of us at once instead of sending individual messages so once again the PZ keeps us all in touch and as Paul would say Thank You Helmuth Nancy we look forward to your next message from the homeland, enjoy your holiday.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 05:32:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
Happy Memorial Day to all of you in the USA!

Nancy - wonderful to hear from you and happy to know you are visiting Ebental. I do remember the village, of course, and especially the church as it once was. Look forward to hearing more from you, and seeing your pictures. xo
- 64.229.178.250 - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 14:03:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
HI
It finally stopped raining here. I was getting to the point of doing a Sundance instead of a raindance.
- 66.225.172.58 - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 23:56:48 (UTC)

Trix aka Sophia:
Another memo from Gottschee:

Hi Trix,
Greetings from Spa Hotel in Toplice. The weather has been fantastic, the
country the same. Very warm every day and this morning a little break with
clouds and some rain.
We love it!
David and Cordy
- 209.240.245.140 - Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 13:43:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy: We all agree as to your greetings from Gottschee as you can see from the postings.Just stay well, all of you, and enjoy.When you come back home, your assignment is to write everything you saw and did, etc... Right folks?? And Franz, as the hip kids would say, "Helmuth is the man."
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 19:56:21 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Paul" Helmuth your the Man"
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, June 01, 2005 at 02:06:28 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Yeah a legend in my own mind...watch out my head is swelling! As always it's a pleasure to see people getting together and exchanging information...you folks are the real stars, I just put the tools out there for you.
- 67.163.156.48 - Wednesday, June 01, 2005 at 02:34:56 (UTC)

Nancy:
An early return today for a change. It is only 5pm here in Toplice and the girls are looking on because they have never been to the PZ before. Went to the cemetery in Tschermoschnitz today and found many Petschauers there. Visited the home of my grandfather in Mitterdorf yesterday and was lucky enough to be brought there by Mr Jaklitsch who was born in the same village. Went in the van up into the mountains the 2 days ago but was unable to find Lachina, the birth place of my grandmother. Did find and take many pictures of Kletsch and Stockendorf where I was able to locate the grave of my greatuncle, Mathias Spreitzer. Thanks for all the well wishes and I will write again soon. Much love from all of us to all of you.
- 193.95.248.30 - Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 15:01:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Listen folks-is that nancy something, or what? How nice of her to keep us informed.How about a great big round of applause for her.Thanks nancy.
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 15:13:46 (UTC)

Trix:
You are so right Paul, that Nancy is truly special. Hi Nancy. So glad Hans Jaklitsch and you got together. What an exciting time this must be for you. Takes me back to my very first visit to the former homeland in 1984. For all practices purposes it changed my life and no doubt this journey will have long lasting impressions on you too. Ready to go back?

Have fun, THANK YOU for your reports and hugs to all on the tour. Special regards to Brane and Mojca.
- 216.251.169.35 - Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 16:18:54 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hallo Nancy it is truly amazing that you are roaming around where I once played. Looking ahead to your report.Cousin Frank.
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 20:37:32 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Is there a Frieda Ternes on the tour? She is the sister of a friend of my sister, Martha. How's the trip going?
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, June 03, 2005 at 03:46:36 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
The Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Association will hold its annual meeting on June 24 and 25, 2005 at the Marina del Ray Hotel & Marina, 13534 Bali Way, Marina del Ray, California, 800 882-4000.
All persons interested in their Gottscheer heritage are invited to attend. The agenda will include speakers on Gottscheer heritage, Gottscheerisch language and songs, and genealogy workshops and activities as well as an evening banquet with entertainment. Registration for the Saturday meeting is $30.00, lunch is $19.00 and the evening banquet is $36.00. The deadline for mail-in registration is June 12.

For more information and the Registration Form, visit our website:

http:\\www.gottschee.org or contact me at stonitsel@aol.com.

Elfriede Stonitsch, Secretary
Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Association

- 205.188.117.73 - Friday, June 03, 2005 at 14:43:10 (UTC)

Christine:
Nancy: You are doing a great job keeping all of us here at homeup on the adventures of your trip to the homeland. Keep up the good work and we will look forward to hearing all about your trip . Hope you are keeping a journal and photo's of all the places you have visited. Enjoy it to the fullest. xoChristine
- 207.200.116.10 - Friday, June 03, 2005 at 23:59:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone....Nice weekend coming up here for a change....Hope nancy and crew are doing as well..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 04, 2005 at 16:16:52 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone, yes Frank...Frieda is on our trip and already has told me of knowing you. She is also related to Albin Petschauer who was from the same village as my grandfather and thinks (as I do) that we are related. Mary Rees and I have discovered that we share the same great great grandparents, Johann Brinskelle and Agnes Hutter! We are currently in Maribor which is very nice. The whole group has gone out for supper but just a few of us had decided to stay behind and just go for coffee. We have been eating so much that I think I have gained 10 pounds. Tomorrow it is off to Graz and Monday...I am meeting my Tscherne cousin from Vienna for the first time in Bled!!! Does anyone know the first names and contact information of the Spreitzers who went on this tour 3 years ago? I think they may have been the ones who had the grave stone of Mathias Spreitzer restored and if so, they are my cousins and I would very much like to contact them. Have a great weekend everyone and much love from all of us here.
- 194.165.124.137 - Saturday, June 04, 2005 at 18:56:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nancy AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for the update. It is so much fun reading them. I feel like I am there with you.

The Spreitzers that went on the trip in 2002 are connected to Wildbach No. 2 (by Tschermoschnitz). They come from the Haus of Kiklsh and are related to my siblings (we share the same mother but their father was Andreas Spreitzer also from No. 2 Wildbach.

Kathy Russell has connections to Mittenwald too. You couldn't find the village right? Darn it anyway.

Keep writing and enjoy Graz and Bled.
- 216.251.169.24 - Saturday, June 04, 2005 at 19:21:37 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Trix, I must find out who is responsible for restoring the gravestone of Mathias Spreitzer as this was my great uncle. We were able to find the church ruins of Mittenwald and a few other ruins as well. Kathy also has connections to Mitterdorf #10!!! She had two brothers of her great grandfather marry two sisters of my great grandfather. We found the house together! Went into Graz today for mass at Maria Trost and to visit the Gottscheer Memorial which houses what I think has been the best Gottscheer Museum we have seen here. Waiting to go to dinner now so had better hurry. It was ashamed that the shops were closed for our trip into Graz...we saw a shop with oven mitts with recipes on them...even Kaiser Schmarren!!! Tomorrow it is off to Bled where I will meet my cousin. Take care all and Frank... Frieda sends a warm hello. I will probably not write again until I return home so bye for now.

- 194.165.124.187 - Sunday, June 05, 2005 at 16:44:54 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Wonderful to hear news from the tour group. Hope I can the trip someday. Horrible storm in KC last night. Much wind damage, flooding, etc. Our house is safe.
Not so for some in the area. Sunny and warm today. Hard to believe we had such a terrible storm last night. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 4.245.41.116 - Sunday, June 05, 2005 at 19:52:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nancy - I'm so happy to hear that you made it to Maria Trost - when you get home I'll send you some pictures I took there the last time I visited. Hope you didn't try to walk up the stairs leading to the church on your knees! Apparently some devout pilgrims do that, but I never saw anyone that devout in the area. :) Do you know where you saw the oven mits you wanted to buy? I could ask one of my friends there to pick them up for you if you like...... Am waiting to hear what you have to tell us about Bled - hope you're not too chicken to get into the little boat to take you out to the little island! :)
- 64.229.178.250 - Sunday, June 05, 2005 at 20:16:40 (UTC)

Jim H:
Nancy, Thank you as well for keeping us informed about the trip. I am excited about your visiting with your cousin. That will be a special event. Your enthusiasm is infectious and I hope the remainder of the trip is as good as the beginning.

May impose on you to pass along a message to Lynne ---- let her know to give me a call when she gets into New York. If she needs the phone numbers, do you have the ability to check emails? Thanks!!
- 152.163.100.198 - Sunday, June 05, 2005 at 22:38:42 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi all. Back from trip to my hometown in Iowa...Dyersville. My cousin Wilma Cavanaugh had a 2and a half hour breakfast along with her sis and my mom. What a great time. First time we ever met and what a delight.....isn't it just the most wonderful thing to meet someone and a friendship begins immediately? Gottschee is not known in Dyersville...and I hope the newspaper has room for me. I envy all the people on their trip to Slovenia.
- 63.233.9.193 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 02:02:16 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks for the update Beverly. Sounds like a great time. Don't be envious of all the people on their trip to Slovenia. Makes plans NOW to go on the next one. It should be in 2008. When you have time tell me about Wilma.
- 209.240.245.148 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 02:04:53 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
We just got back home after attending the Gottscheer Volksfest in Franklin Square, NY. The weather was perfect, sunny, 80's and a slight breeze. There was a good crowd and I met lots of old friends. It was a good day for Gottscheers.
- 64.12.116.10 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 02:19:06 (UTC)

Beverly:
Is there such a thing as a mapping of the cemetery at Tschermoschnitz?
- 63.233.9.193 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 02:56:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes there is. Who are you looking for Bev?
- 209.240.245.148 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 03:09:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
Jim...we have your home phone number and will forward to Lynne. She will call you when we arrive in JFK. There are also a few people on the trip who live in New Jersey and may be able to get Lynne closer to you. Will provide details later. If there is another phone number you would like us to forward to Lynne, please let me know.
- 194.165.125.199 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 07:33:18 (UTC)

Jim:
Nancy, thank you for your reply. I would like to email my work and cell phone numbers. Is there a way for you to check them?

Have you met with your cousin yet? What is left on the schedule of places to visit? I guess the tour is heading into the home stretch.
- 64.12.116.66 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 13:01:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elfrieda: We missed the picnic in franklin Square yesterday..Did anyone use the name tag idea?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 17:27:59 (UTC)

Beverly:
Sophia I was just wondering if any of the Schmucks or the Lukans were buried there???
- 63.233.86.101 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 19:48:36 (UTC)

Helmuth:
A big round of applause for Nancy for the great reports from Gottschee. Thank you for your contributions!
- 67.163.156.48 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 20:39:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We all second the motion.She is doing a great job.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 20:55:18 (UTC)

franz of Vancouver:
Beverly If you are speaking of neu taver or[ neutabor] by Tschermoschnitz yes a lot of my grandparents are there as well as my other grandmother veronika Troje my aunt Sopie Troje just to mention some.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 23:01:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Bev, I have a copy of the book listing ALL remaining cemeteries, along with standing gravestones, in the former Gottschee. The cemetery in Nova Tabor or Neutabor (German name) has been totally renovated and is beautiful. Give me the names of the deceased and I shall glaqly check the matter out. Hi Franz. We are talking about your home turf aren't we? When are we going there?
- 216.251.169.7 - Monday, June 06, 2005 at 23:59:16 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Yes Trix it is my home turf and I'm so happy that Nancy and Frieda are there but you know I like to remember it the way it was with our people living there. Oh and thanks for the package. I read the letter, very sad times. Will write you later.
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 01:42:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz, you should read the story and listen to the tape at the same time. It is truly something to hear the sounds etc.

- 216.251.169.7 - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 03:14:03 (UTC)

Elfriede Stonitsch:
Paul, Name tags were not in evidence yesterday at Franklin Square. The only ones I saw were on some of the visitors from the Cleveland club. But I did see a lot of old friends and plenty of relatives. We had a great time.
- 205.188.116.139 - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 03:26:11 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Everyone...yes, we are in the home stretch and will leave tomorrow morning for home. Jim, I am not able to check my email address from here so Lynne will phone you upon arrival to JFK. There are also some people who live nearer to you. Gotta go.
- 193.77.212.200 - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 15:38:19 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Trix,
Is there any way I can get a copy of this cemetery book you mentioned? What all information does it have in it?
- 70.245.112.238 - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 22:53:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Gregg - they have to be purchased in Slovenia. They are expensive - I think around $60.00 but worth every penny. It is written in English - German and Slovenian. Shows all the cemeteries, a list of all the standing Gottscheer graves and map as to their location within the cemetery. Also a list of the names of the deceased, home village I think and perhaps other information.

Now that I think about it - there is a group coming to the North American Gottscheer Treffen in Sept. It will be hosted this yeaqr by the Toronto Gottscheer Relief Assn. Perhaps arrangements could be made for someone to bring perhaps 5 which could be sold. They are heavy but excellently done.
- 209.240.245.70 - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 23:06:21 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, are they any listings in the cemetery book for the town of Bistriz?
- 207.200.116.10 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 01:09:18 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Trix, Wow! Please do sign me up. I didn't realize this book existed. Please let me know who to contact or what to do to get a copy. If copies are brought to the September Treffen I'd like to reserve one. Not sure if I'll make it there personally but I can arrange something. Let me know and THANKS!
- 70.245.112.238 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 01:53:29 (UTC)

Beverly:
Sophia...I asked first! Perhaps we could get something going thru the organization??? I just thought there must be something like this. I did not realize also that Hans Jaklitsch is an Uncle to my cousin Andrea Schmuck...my Canada cousin reminded me! I am just back from vacation and mind is still in 2nd gear.
- 63.233.10.115 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 02:07:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Marilu: According to my information the village of Bistritz belongs to the parish of Doblitsch. The cemetery and remaining Gottscheers are included in the book but there is no one from Bistritz. Almost all come from Maierle, Doblitschberg etc.
- 209.240.245.70 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 02:28:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Gregg, I am curious - who are you looking for?
- 209.240.245.70 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 02:29:06 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Trix, my family is Tramposch (Hohenegg)and Loschke (Suchen bei Nesseltal). Over the last couple years I've been compiling a database not only of my Tramposch family but also of the other Tramposch's from other areas of Gottschee. I don't know off hand but there's probably a half dozen or so different Tramposch families. So as a hobby I am creating a complete Tramposch database.
- 70.245.112.238 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 02:54:31 (UTC)

Marilu:
Trix, in the microfilms, Bistriz is part of Tschernembl parish. Would that be different for the cemetery records?
- 207.200.116.74 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 03:19:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Gregg - Hohenegg belonged to the parish of Seele. No cemetery from that parish is included in the book.

Suchen belongs to the parish of Nesseltal. It has a big cemetery with many gravestones but no Loschke listing.
- 209.240.245.70 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 03:23:16 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Trix, I'm still relatively new to all this stuff. I thought Hohenegg was in the parish of Gottschee, which I was told was the largest of all the Gottschee area parishes. So how does the parish of Seele fit into this? Was it it's own parish, and later consumed into the larger Gottschee parish. I guess I'm clueless here.

As far as the cemetery book goes, if it doesn't have any of my ancestor's names in it I really don't need it.
- 208.49.194.254 - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 12:53:46 (UTC)

John Herbst:
Gregg, I believe that the town of Hohenegg is in the Parish of Gottschee. In the familienbuchs of Gottschee it shows Hohenegg. The LDS Microfilm of Gottschee have the deaths from about 1665 to 1941. Is there more than one Hohenegg in Gottschee? There are a few towns that have duplicate names, but in different regions of Gottschee.
- 206.38.34.30 - Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 03:41:44 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Thanks John. There might be another Hohenegg in Seele parish, I don't know?

Trix, I'm going to hold off on a copy of the cemetery book, for now. I might check into it again at a later time. I'm glad to know it's out there and available though. Thanks.
- 208.49.194.254 - Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 20:14:34 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Home again...a wonderful journey to our ancestorial roots! Nancy did a great job of keeping you all informed. It was interesting that so many of the group had no knowledge of the PZ! Still recovering, 15.5 hours in the air yesterday.
MY success on the journey was locating the house in Kolfern where my grandfather was born, and my great grandfather spent his last days. It has been renovated, but still has the marker above the door "1842". Our tour partner, CarolRathbun-Shibuya also found her ancestors home in Koflern, and the lady was very interested in the history of the house that they have owned for 20 years. Great resource for both Carol and I to send data and have it passed thru the village...maybe more clues!! Additionally, I was blessed to meet "cousins" Frieda Steinacker visiting from Leverkusen, Germany, Gita Mauser and Franz Mauser of Laze...all cousins of TRIX as well! Frieda first connected when we were heading up the trail to Baza 20. A few days later we shared in the group mass that was held atop the mountain at Topli Vrh Church overlooking the valley and village of Crmosnjice...many thoughts of my grandmother, Rosa Agnitsch Fitz, and my other ancestors of Laase/Reuter. Frieda, Gita and Franz came down to the hotel at Dollenjske Toplice to visit 2 evenings. I missed them being at home when we made the quick van trip to Laze...Franz was working the vineyard in a nearby village, and Gita was away from the house doing chores as well. Only wish I had more time to casually walk the village...could not find #17 where my grandmother was born.
Our trip was great, and I appreciated sharing the individual discoveries of my other trip mates. Hope all of you have the opportunity in the future to go and make discoveries as well! Hope that I meet some of you at the convention the end of this month.
- 68.121.52.95 - Friday, June 10, 2005 at 05:16:16 (UTC)

Peggy:
I just found out about this web site from my cohorts on the wonderful trip to Slovenia! By the time Carol and I made it back to LAX I figured out we'd been up for 27 hours. That could be why my husband told me to go to bed because I was incoherent. Trix-- I've never met you but heard your name at least six times a day-- all good. Nancy and all others, I hope you made it home safely.
- 216.175.72.41 - Friday, June 10, 2005 at 22:04:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you so much for the message Peggy. I most certainly look forward to meeting you sometime in the future. Hope you had a GREAT time. It is a long, long flight and I totally understand your husband's comments. Rest, my friend and then share some more. Danke or Hvala Lepa.
- 216.251.169.37 - Friday, June 10, 2005 at 23:21:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
On behalf of all the PZrs (and I am sure they won't mind) welcome home to allthe travelers, and a big welcome to the new comers to the Plauderzimmer-just a great big happy family....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 02:24:51 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hear, Hear, Paul, well said.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 05:50:08 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you John Herbst. Good to hear from you again. Hope life is GREAT. Thank and other for clarifying the matter of the village of Seele. You and others are right - the village of Hohenegg did belong to the Parish of (the City of) Gottschee.

- 216.251.169.174 - Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 17:04:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. I know, I know. Believe me, I won't make that mistake again.
- 216.251.169.10 - Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 19:43:52 (UTC)

Nancy:
I guess the jet lag will wear off sooner or later. Hello cousin Franz and thanks for the welcome home Paul. I introduced more than one person to your term of GBM. The trip was really wonderful and broke some records for most family connections found in one trip! I'm looking forward to sharing all with you...just give me some time to sort things out. Good to find the "y" on my keyboard in the proper place again!
- 69.179.34.24 - Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 21:31:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Take your time Nancy-we all love ya'......
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 02:58:51 (UTC)

Monia:
hello everyone. I'm from Autria - Villach. I also spent some Days in Gottschee, because we make a research project about the gottschee and the teacher at my university organized the trip...

It was very interesting and I think I also met some of you (who also made a trip to Slowenia at the same time) in the Kultuhaus in Krapflern.

I would be interested why you don't write in German? As far as I'm informed most of you have Gottscheer roots.

I would also be interested if you speek Gottscheerisch at home our with your relativs?
- 143.205.237.95 - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 18:07:19 (UTC)

:
Hello Monia: I am only a Gottscheer by marraige, but please allow me to answer your questions. Yes we do speak german and also the gottscheer dialect on the Plauderzimmer and in our family life.Now in my own family there is mostly English spoken, because the young ones were born here, but they do know some of the language, and they speak the dialect. My wife born here says many things in the Gottcheer dialect..The children do the best they can, but as i am sure that German is, as dominant in Austria as English is here in America,so it goes...Even I know some of the Gottscheer phrases-And I can sing some songs in German, which i learned from my gottscheer family.Monia, I welcome you to the Plauderzimmer, as I am certain all the folks here do also...If you become a regular contributor, you will make many friends and find we all have a lot in common.AND WE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 18:59:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I am sorry, I forgot to put my name on that message to you Monia...That makes me a dumbkoff,right?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 19:03:40 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Hello Monia, I was on the GHGA trip, were you with the group that included Frieda Steinacker, from Germany and Ida Kempf, from New York? We would have first crossed your group at BAZA 20 on May 28th? I am 1/2 Gottscheer on my mother's side. My grandparents immigrated to the US between 1906 and 1911, and married in the state of Alabama. They chose not to teach their children Gottscheerisch or German, and only spoke it between themselves when they didn't want the children to know what they were discussing. Sad to say, but the same was somewhat true for my husband's Italian and Portugese grandparents around the same period. Please keep in touch, I am sure many of us would be interested to know of your study project of the Gottscheers.
- 69.105.95.214 - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 20:28:18 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Big storm just passed through KCMO. Not bad at our house, but elsewhere in the city some damage. Just returned From Fargo after a visit with our "kids" up there.
16 yr old grandson, Chris, returned from Greece Saturday.
He was so excited and chattered on and on about the trip.
Tomorrow the real world intrudes and he has to go back to work. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 4.244.192.31 - Monday, June 13, 2005 at 01:28:05 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
Hallo Maria from Villach. I spent a lot of time in that beautiful city many, many years ago. I was born in the former Gottschee (Moschnitze area), resettled to Untersteiermark in 1941 (K�nigsberg area), survived the Flucht in 1945, lived in various camps in Steiermark and finally in Feffernitz, K�rnten where my father found us. In August of 1946 Herr Johann, Gastwirt from Altfinkenstein beim Faaker See came looking for hard working Gottscheers. He hired my father, brother and mother on the spot. I was 10 years old at the time and of course went with them. I grew up in Altfinkenstein, graduated from Ledenitzen High School (the only school I ever attended on a regular basis) and from 1950 to 1951 attended the Berufschule in Villach. Took the train from Faak to Villach and then hiked up the mountain to Altfinkenstein.

We have lots to talk about and I hope you will write me at wyants@mlecmn.net.

Are you Gottscheer born? From where?

And yes, many of us do speak, read and writer German and I am still fluent in Gottscheabarisch too. So good to meet you.

Servus.
- 209.240.237.158 - Monday, June 13, 2005 at 01:48:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Hallo Mr. Germany Calling. Guten Morgen lieber Ted. W�nsche Dir eine gute Woche. Nicht zu schwer arbeiten und viel Spa� n�chstes Wochenende in Bad Aussee. Liebe Gr��e an alle Gottscheer die mit Euch feiern werden. Tanz auch eins f�r mich.
- 209.240.237.158 - Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:15:56 (UTC)

Rick Koenig:
I am from Cleveland, Ohio. My grandfather, Frank Koenig, from Gottschee,married Josephine Fink around the turn of the 20th century and emigrated to America, winding up in Cleveland. I understand there is an enclave of Gottscheers in this area and would like to know more about them.
- 66.144.76.13 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 17:46:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
http://www.eouv.com/
Rick - check out the web page of the Cleveland Gottscheer Cub above......
- 65.95.153.34 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 18:27:26 (UTC)

Monia:
Hello everybody... Thank you for answering me.

Jeanne: Yes, I also talked to Ida Kempf in Krapflern and it was very interesting. How long have you been to Gottschee. We only spent 4 days there and so it was too short to visit all the interesting and historial places. I hope you had a good time in Gottschee.

Sophie: My grandparents had a hotel at the Faaker See in Egg (I'm sure you know this village). I'will write a e-mail to you, to get to know you better.

Thank you for inviting me in the Plauderzimmer, so I can learn a lot of your culture and of course about your life in America.
- 143.205.237.95 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 19:33:42 (UTC)

Monia:
If someone has some questions, pleas write to me:

fertani.monia@gmx.net
- 143.205.237.95 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 20:06:25 (UTC)

Monia:
If someone has some questions, please write to me:

fertani.monia@gmx.net

- 143.205.237.95 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 20:06:41 (UTC)

Monia:
If someone has some questions, please write to me:

fertani.monia@gmx.net

- 143.205.237.95 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 20:37:26 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Rick, Do you know what town your grandparents came from in Gottschee? My great grandmother was a FINK from Kolfern.
- 68.126.135.20 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 22:14:02 (UTC)

Jeanne:
Monia,
We were in SLovenia for 2 weeks. We returned June 8th. Spent most of our time visiting the old Gottschee villages. Have you checked out www.gottschee.org ? You will find out lots more information.
- 68.126.135.20 - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 22:16:21 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Rick, someone once gave me a good deal of information on the Fink side of the family going back. The Koenig side appears to have come from Grintowitz at some point. I will see if I can find out anything more using the Ellis Island records.
- 152.163.101.11 - Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 00:22:32 (UTC)

Beverly:
Rick do you have any idea if you are related to any Koenigs from Iowa.
- 63.233.86.192 - Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 00:50:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim. Max Mische is a good friend of the Finks. They live in CA and Austria and come from Neulag. Could this be the family you are looking for?
- 216.251.169.15 - Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 02:41:13 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gregg Lickteig: You have a George Jaklitsch married to a Margartha Kobetitsch in your rootsweb tree. Do you have any idea if they came to the USA? There was a family with this name at Sugar Creek in Clinton County.
- 207.200.116.67 - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:33:09 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Marilu, No I don't know anything about this couple. They were a very distant branch off of some other genealogy I had done.
- 208.49.194.254 - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 20:07:41 (UTC)

Marilu:
Thanks anyhow Gregg. The ages match pretty close, so I thought maybe it was a match.
- 207.200.116.139 - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 23:23:36 (UTC)

Jim H:
Marilu,
I think there may be a connection between that couple and the Tschernembl parish. Perhaps there is a match to your couple after all. Both Nesseltal and Tschernembl had people in the midwest. What are the dates that you have for the Iowa family?
- 64.12.116.197 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:19:12 (UTC)

Marilu:
Hi Jim: Geeorge Jaklitsch was born about 1845. His wife Margaret was also born about 1845. The date for Margaret is a little off for the couple that Gregg has listed. I do not have a maiden name. The children listed were all born in Iowa. I guess I should check the marriages for Tschernembl. I do not know if they married in Austria or here. Do you have something on them?
- 207.200.116.9 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 02:39:56 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Marilu,
Georg Jaklitsch in my records was born in Unterdeutschau 13 in Unterdeutschau parish. His wife Margaretha Kobetitsch was born in Warmberg 10 in Nesseltal parish. The two married 13 Jul 1871 in Nesseltal parish. It looks like the family you are researching is from Tschernembl parish? so they are likely different people. Sorry I don't know more.

- 208.49.194.254 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 15:12:47 (UTC)

Marilu:
Gregg: Yes I found them in the records and double checked all of that. I don't know if the ones in Iowa were from Tschernembl or not. There were other people there from Nesseltal also. So it still could be them.
- 207.200.116.9 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 17:04:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
A VERY HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL THE DADS OUT THERE.GOD BLESS..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 19:56:32 (UTC)

FRIDL:
a RUSBACHER SCHUGET HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL OF THE GOTTSCHERS
- 70.23.251.15 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 20:51:04 (UTC)

Nancy:
I've been out of touch and I apologize. Just sorting through the photos from the Gottschee Tour to place in albums before I forget where they were taken. Do I see the name Jaklitsch? A very nice gentleman by the name of Hans Ivan Jaklitsch helped me to find my grandfather's birthplace in Mitterdorf/Tschermoschnitz. I beleive he now lives in Novo Mesto. A very happy father's day to all!
- 69.179.15.69 - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 23:19:45 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey guys, how about that nancy-apologize? Let's all tell her how we appreciated the numerous reports on the gottschee trip....Right, cousin Franz? Have a great fathers day weekend eveeryone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 15:48:58 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Yes! thank you so much Nancy. I got jealous that I wasn't there everytime I read a trip posting. The technology provided by Helmuth for us to keep in touch is so awesome.
- 70.246.252.204 - Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 16:08:05 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Paul and Gregg: I echo your messages as I really enjoyed being updated on the trip and it was so thoughtful of Nancy to find the time to email us whenever she could.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 17:52:17 (UTC)

Christine:
Happy Father's Day to all the Fathers out there!!!
Nancy: I just sent you an e-mail that may be interesting to
you. THink I found another link for you. Check it out.
- 207.200.116.201 - Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 16:30:48 (UTC)

Nancy:
Enough already. I see inerest in the cemetary book available in Kocevje (formerly Gottschee.) I was lucky enough to purchase this wonderful book at the museum there. I've been going through brochures and things from the trip and found the booklet with contact information. Here it is: Regional Museum Kocevje, Presernova 11, 1330 Kecevje, Slovenia. The email address is .................. muzej@pmk-kocevje.si The book title in English is Cemeteries and Tombstones of the Gottscheer Germans. I have no idea what the book cost as it was in tolars and I had charged it on my MC. Barry D was nice enough to tell about this book as my great uncle is in it. It really is a great referance book to have on hand. I hope everyone is having a great weekend.
- 69.179.8.73 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 00:45:26 (UTC)

Nancy:
PS to Christine......thanks again.
- 69.179.8.73 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 00:46:59 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Father's Day to all dads, grand dads, great grand dads. My husband I would like to be great grandma and grandpa, but our married grand daughter hasn't got our message yet. Hope all are well and enjoying the last day of spring. Really interested in the book about the graves in Kocevje.
- 4.244.57.86 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 01:05:46 (UTC)

Helmuth:
We had a great time at the Gottscheer Clubhouse on Saturday. The occasion was the 50th wedding anniversary of my Onkel Heinrich and Tante Sophie (Kump) Tscherne. We had a great time and got to catch up with all the relations. Drove through the old neighborhood in Ridgewood, pointing out to my kids all the places Dad went.
- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 12:58:23 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: Thats what we like to hear, 50th anniversaries, shows we Gottscheer guys knew how to pick em, 52 years for me and looking forward to celebrating 53. Glad to hear you had a good time and yes its always nice to show our kids some of the places we went as youngsters.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 17:02:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sounds like a great time Helmuth-the Sophie Tscherne that I knew was married to Eddie who owned a butcher shop in Jamaica in Queens.They are gone, but their daughters live out here on Long Island...Any connection??
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 17:03:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Franz; we haven't done that in a long time-but the kids did enjoy seeing our old neighborhood, and we always had the chance to relive the good times as well..And we have 63 coming up in Oct--OOOOOoooooohhh! Has been a great run so far......Enjoy the new week everyone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 17:26:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Minnesota. We are in the middle of a nasty, nasty storm - strong winds and very dark.

I am looking for a photo of the former Gottscheer village of Mittenwald by Stockendorf. Can anyone help? Would be much appreciated.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 17:35:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix, I have a photo of Mittenwald...ruins only taken just weeks ago. Another tour group member has a photo of the church ruins. Let me know if you'd like me to contact her. I'll send the 1 photo I have. HELMUTH....Tscherne? Could you give me any info at all on your any Tschernes you may know? As you all probably know, my grandmother was a Tscherne. Thanks very much.
- 69.179.12.144 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 18:37:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Nancy. Talking about Tscherne. From which village again? Hard to keep everyone straight.
- 216.251.169.142 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 19:39:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
While I am going nuts in the office here, I am glad to take a break every so often and read the postings..Stay indoors Trix, you got a break from your gardening anyway...And Nancy, always glad to see your name pop up, and it looks like you got your work cut out for you-God Bless You....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 20:27:51 (UTC)

Nancy:
My Tscherne ancestors were from the village of Lachina.... Stockendorf pariah.
- 69.179.12.144 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 20:50:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vanvouver:
Hallo Ted many thanks for the E mail, hope you have a nice time in the Austria Treffen and I am looking forward to the Trapp video hope I did not offend any one with the road rage prevention clipp.Yes I think all are busy in the gadens or just outdoors in general Servus all.good weather here.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 23:31:43 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello cousin Franz. My husband sure seemed to like the road rage prevention clip. What is the Trapp video?
- 69.179.8.158 - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 23:39:43 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
O I sent the road rage clipp to Theobald and he tells me he is in the process of puting together a video from a film he obtained somehow you from a prist named josef Trapp you know Ted he has his conections and he shares some of his findings with me did I not send you a copy of a dvd he sent me before?
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 00:13:29 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Franz. The video by the Priest named Trapp is the 1936 film on Gottschee.
- 216.251.169.142 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 01:23:02 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
Hope you are doing well? I was wondering, do they have the Gottschee film on DVD? I would love to have it on DVD if possible. We are heading to Wyoming for a week and will get to visit family there. It will be exciting and John & Anne Marie enjoy playing and visiting with their cousins.
- 206.38.34.19 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 02:02:37 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix, I was just thinking that June 23rd was when my daughter was born 13 years ago. It's hard to believe that first GHGA organizing meeting has been that long ago. Wow! Times does fly. I believe Anne Marie was born a few days before that meeting. I remember because we were worried about whether I would be able to give my presentation at the GHGA meeting.
- 206.38.34.19 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 02:08:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi John. Good to hear from you. Yes, I remember the birth of Anne Marie well and yes, the years do pass so very quickly. Just think of our many accomplishments. It has been a good, good journey for all in the GHGA.
I will find out if the Father Trapp film is on DVD and let you know.
Have a GREAT holiday and regards to you and your family.
- 209.240.237.131 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 03:04:52 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Say a prayer and THANK GOD for the Utah cub scout that was just found alive in the woods....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 19:13:39 (UTC)

Beverly:
HELP! I have run into a lady on line who's grandfather was from Ribnik and I need to know if it is the same Ribnik my ggrandparents came from....she says Ribnik was alittle further and he lived in Upper Gric in the village of Secanj? I am trying to help her so if someone can tell me if it the same then I can take it from there???
- 63.233.8.52 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 23:00:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Beverly, Can you send me a copy of the e-mail please?
Thanks.
- 209.240.237.134 - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 01:07:15 (UTC)

franz of vancouver:
to my knowledge there only is one ribnik
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 01:44:09 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well thanks Trix...I emailed her back to see if we are talking about the same place. I told her what you asked and I should have known to ask that too but I was stumped by the names of the villages she mentioned. I just thought it could be one more person to tell about our organization. We will see....when she answeres me. Thanks.
- 63.233.10.139 - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 02:02:53 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nancy, I'm not too sure about what connections there may be in Onkel Heinrich Tscherne's family...I will put you in touch with his daughter who may help.
- 170.201.180.33 - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 14:42:58 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, both my boys were in scouts, and it's a terrific organization. Amen to his being found, and his training as a Cub scout probably helped him survive. Nancy: send me an email at hwk@KT3L.com and I'll put you in touch with Irene Tscherne.
- 67.172.16.90 - Thursday, June 23, 2005 at 00:20:55 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you Helmuth...I just sent an email. Going for ice cream now! HOT here today and close to 100 tomorrow.
- 69.179.19.208 - Thursday, June 23, 2005 at 00:28:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Waukenabo. It is going to be a hot, hot day in Minnesota. They are predicting 90's. Yuk.

To all Gottscheers, who plan on attending the GHGA annual meeting in California this weekend - HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME; enjoy each other, learn much and spread the word about Gottschee, the proud history of the Gottscheers and the outstanding work by the GHGA.

Hope to see many of you in Florida next June.
- 209.240.237.151 - Thursday, June 23, 2005 at 15:39:45 (UTC)

Peggy:
Greetings from LA! The temperature here at the beach is a balmy 68.(no humidity) It should be about the same for the weekend GHGA meeting.I'm looking forward to it and wish all of you could be here. By the way-- does anyone have ADAM in their genealogy. The family was from the Tschnomel area.
- 216.175.72.41 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 00:12:55 (UTC)

Peggy:
Good Heavens! I don't know why my message printed 3 times. Sorry
- 216.175.72.41 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 00:27:42 (UTC)

Peggy:
Good Heavens! I don't know why my message printed 3 times. Sorry
- 216.175.72.41 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 00:27:55 (UTC)

Marilu:
Peggy: There was an Adam family at Sugar Creek in Waterford Twp, Clinton Co, Iowa. All I know is they were from Austria, and there were several families in that area from Gottschee. The parish you mean is probably Tschernembl, as that is where several of them came from.
- 207.200.116.138 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 01:46:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Does the surname Franke ring a bell, anyone?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 01:55:37 (UTC)

frans of vancouver:
Yes there was a fellow by that name in Thschermoschnitz . I do not rember what he did for a living . But his house was very modern for that time pirod and it was next to the local Tailer.
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 02:56:05 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all: I think I should take a spelling course or maybe its a typing course I need Whenever I don't ask my wife to check my spelling I seem to make a lot of errors but as long as you can tell what I am trying to say I won't worry and anyway its a nice sunny day here in BC
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 20:03:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Enjoy your sunny day Franz, and don't worry about your spelling..I thought that Franke might be a Gottscheer name-but the mans wife says that he knows nothing about Gottschee..But she did say that he is from Austria. I will not pursue it because she is a teller at my bank and she seves me well,so I do not want to upset the boat, because i am always in a hurry, and I can't afford to wait on lines..Someday when i fully retire than I will wait on line gladly...Stay well Frank and enjoy the weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 20:14:42 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hey Peggy!!! The double and triple postings has happended to all of us at one time or another. Hello Franz....Paul...wasn't it you who siad taht poelpe are albe to raed aynithng as lnog as the frist and lsat letetrs are wrhere tehy benlog? Happy weekend everyone!!! For those going to the annual meeting...Enjoy!!!
- 69.179.14.231 - Friday, June 24, 2005 at 23:04:57 (UTC)

Paul B/:
Nancy, you got that right..I think that was in an e-mail from Ridy that was fwd to me...Are you getting back on track Nancy..Stay well and happy weekend everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, June 25, 2005 at 03:57:14 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wishing you all a happy Sunday..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 26, 2005 at 16:56:16 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
hello all, going out for dinner so won't be reading the PZ til tomorrow. Hope there is lots of messages. Special hello to Paul who always wishes us a happy Sunday so right back at you Paul. Weather here is great.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, June 26, 2005 at 23:04:54 (UTC)

Nancy:
I agree with you cousin Franz...Paul (my GBM friend) is always first with wishes for a great day or weekend. Trix is under threat of a tornado warning until 10 pm CST. Hot and humid here. How was the meeting in CA yesterday? Are you there tonight Jeanne? Have a great week everyone!
- 69.179.15.198 - Sunday, June 26, 2005 at 23:57:10 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:

guten Abend. I hope all are well. Have a safe and happy Fourth of July. We are dying of the heat and humidity in KCMO. No rain in a long time. Ground is cracking. Have to water garden and flowers, but forget the lawn.
- 4.244.57.7 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 00:48:16 (UTC)

Peggy:
The meeting was great. Paula, Jean, Carol, Mary and Bob from the trip were there and it was great to see them. I had a good conversation with Ed Skender---we found out we're both from Pittsburgh. Kate Pruente Baum and her husband sat at our table and he entertained us all! We had goodies before the meeting then for a break more goodies, then a nice lunch poolside, more goodies for the afternoon break. A dinner at 7 p.m, either beef or salmon, and just incase anyone was STILL hungry, a nice strawberry sorbet. Seems like Gottscheers are always eating!! A good meeting
- 24.126.175.102 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 00:50:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Not much to read Franz and Nancy--so let me be the first to wish you a nice new week ahead, for you and all our PZ friends...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 03:23:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Minnesota. The tornado did not arrive THANK GOD. It is hot, it is muggy and I don't mean to complain.

Hope everyone attending the GHGA annual meeting had a GREAT time.

Mr. Germany calling - Hope you enjoyed the Gottscheer gathering in Steiermark this weekend. Remember to share photos and tell us all about it.

To all of you, have a good week.
- 209.240.237.152 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 03:31:58 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hello....We are having a big 4th of July party and I want to make a recipe that my grandma used to make ....I just don't know what all went in it but she called it "Prune Whip". I don't know if it is an Austrian thing but I have looked in my old cook books and do not find anything???Anyone out there that knows the recipe?? I know it had prunes and whipped cream but it seems I remember more...help!?
- 63.233.9.36 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 04:09:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning. Wish I could help but can't. Am not familiar with this excellent sounding dish but most anxious to learn more about it.

So, readers, how about sharing? THANK YOU.
- 209.240.245.87 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 12:45:34 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly Do a search for prune whip and a couple of receipes should come up. Did for me.
- 207.200.116.196 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 13:40:21 (UTC)

Trix:
OK Franz - you went out for dinner. What did you have?

Mr. Germany Calling - we are waiting for a report on the big Gottscheer Gathering this weekend in Bad Aussee, Steiermark. We just know it was wonderful.

Hot, hot, hot and muggy in Minnesota. Will stay this way until Friday. YUK.
- 209.240.245.87 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 14:12:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix-It is crummy hot & muggy here too-and on top of that I found a sink hole in my lawn today!!!!Let's play "can You Top This."
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 16:53:06 (UTC)

Ted from Germany:
Hello Trix, Hello to all of the PZ.attendants!
Monday evening,I just came home from Bad-Aussee Steiermark Austria.Hire I give you a little of information about the Gathering.Yes, It was a big success.About 160 Gottscheer's
attendance from the U.S. Canada.Germany and Austria. The celebration did take place, Friday,Saturday and Sunday with
beautiful sunshine weather.I met a lot of americam Gottscheer witch did come from Cleveland and other part from the U.S. I hed entertaiment with Maria and Joe Sieder
the President of the Gottscheer E.o.U.V. in Cleveland.
I did take a lot of Fhotos, but it is to bed I can not send
theme in the PZ mail.
The PZ attendens witch read the Gottscheer Zeitung will get
all the information of Karl Ruppe of the Gottscheer Gathering in the beautiful austrian mountain region.

- 80.128.214.96 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 19:43:05 (UTC)

Bevely:
Thanks Marilu...always forget to check Google....found 11,400 recipes for prune whip! Received one also from a cousin in Iowa....thanks.
- 63.233.106.54 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 20:12:08 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all: Sophia dinner was great NEW YORK STEAK baked potatoe grilled veggies mmmmmmmm. been a long time and of course as I can't have meat too often it tasted even better but thats what makes us appreciate things in life.Paul when I orderd my New York steak I thought of you as I do whenever someone takes about New York.rain here today but very mild.Ted thanks for the information, always nice to hear from you.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 22:55:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Franz.Always nice to hear from you, and I appreciate your thinking of me. Stay well, and enjoy life...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 12:53:20 (UTC)

Beverly:
Call your children and grandchildren tomorrow and tell them you love them. I found out tonight that a dear friend of mine lost her son (25 yrs old) today to a drunk driver hitting him driving his motorcycle to work. He had just found out his wife is pregnant...she was his Sargent in Afganistan and they were married not too long ago. God must have needed him. :0(
- 63.233.11.24 - Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 04:07:52 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Very sad Beverly---I pray for the family..We had a similar tragedy a couple of years ago with one of my nieces, and the bum that did it got away with murder with a slap on the wrist......
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 20:41:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everybody...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 01, 2005 at 19:16:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
CONGRATULATIONS to Trix on being awarded the GHGA President's award! You deserve it!
- 69.179.21.43 - Friday, July 01, 2005 at 20:57:20 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Happy Canada Day and Happy July 4th. Yes, congratulations Trix and a good weekend to all on the PZ. Beverly and Paul it is so sad to hear such stories.I always thought the US was tougher on their drunk drivers that we are here in Canada but it sounds like some people get away with murder no matter which side of the border they live, SAD!
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, July 01, 2005 at 22:46:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Congratulations Trix, and I'll drink to that...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 00:30:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Franz And all Our Canadian friends: Happy Canada Day to you all.Hope your weather is beautiful for the weekend,Enjoy a safe, sane Holiday weekend...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 00:34:50 (UTC)

Jim:
Dear All,

May everyone has a safe and festive holiday weekend. The weather in the northeast is wonderful. Sun is out, scattered clouds, temperatures in the upper 70s. Delightful weather for all summer activities. Take care.
- 205.188.116.13 - Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 12:18:41 (UTC)

Nancy:
Yes......a happy and safe holiday weekend to all. May God bless.
- 69.179.16.183 - Sunday, July 03, 2005 at 02:23:51 (UTC)

Elaine Tramposch-Haufe(Ridgewood):
Great news, Trix. Please enjoy this well-deserved recognition. A Happy 4th to all. May you enjoy safe travel, good weather, and the company of friends.
- 67.101.132.220 - Sunday, July 03, 2005 at 02:53:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
A happy and safe Fourth of July to all my American friends!
We had our fireworks celebration on Friday,
July 1, which is when we celebrate Canada Day.
- 65.95.153.34 - Monday, July 04, 2005 at 10:21:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes, everybody-Happy 4Th, and thank You Ridy..I'm curious Ridy, do the folks in Canada shoot fireworks ( I mean the citizens) before, during and after the holiday like they do here? It is always like a war zone here for several days,even tho fireworks are ilegal for the average citizen!
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 04, 2005 at 15:30:35 (UTC)

Ridy:
We do have organized fireworks displays, the most spectacular being over the Lake. But it is perfectly legal to have fireworks in our own neighbourhoods and special trailers are set up in some plazas where the firecrackers are sold. In my neighbourhood we celebrate both July 1, Canada Day, and July 4, because we have several American families who live here. It's been a fairly noisy weekend!
- 65.95.153.34 - Monday, July 04, 2005 at 16:39:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Here is what I mean/ It is nowalmost 1 in the A.M. They have not stopped yet!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 at 04:58:17 (UTC)

Marilu:
We got home from the city fireworks about 10 and then watched all the neighborhood fireworks until about 11. You cannot buy the big fireworks in Colorado, they have to go to either New Mexico or Wyoming to get them, and lots of people do. Across the street and in the next block they had some beautiful ones.
- 207.200.116.200 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 12:36:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is the same here Marilu-They buy them out of state. But the big risk is like one guy who bought a truck load and theb sold them to adults and kids who don't know how to handle them....We have lots of injuries every 4th of July..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 16:41:20 (UTC)

Marilu:
I don't mean to make light of the problem, but they sell cars to adults and kids everyday who don't know how to handle them. I know, there have been injuries here to, altho have not heard of any this year.
- 207.200.116.5 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 18:33:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You are so right about that Marilu ..A niece of mine and her husband just got back from an upstate visit, and were witness to a deadly accident on the way back home, just a few miles from where they live....P_ersonally, I would like to see more Police on the road-higher fines-longer jail time-whatever it takes to stop the crazy things people do on the roads..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 19:41:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix.......if you see this posting, the emails I've sent to you today are coming back. Is your server giving you problems or have you changed your email address? Hope all is well with you and yours.
- 69.179.8.104 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 23:51:08 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nancy. I don't know what is going on with the compouter but I have changed nothing. So, hopefully, they will come through in due time. Please send again.
- 209.240.245.93 - Thursday, July 07, 2005 at 00:00:33 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix.....must have worked as so far so good. P.S. on the email...please keep my father-in-law in your thoughts.
- 69.179.8.104 - Thursday, July 07, 2005 at 00:37:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Nancy, it did come through. Our prayers are with you. Will be anxious to hear results. Thanks for your family tree. Very, very interesting.

- 209.240.245.93 - Thursday, July 07, 2005 at 01:56:01 (UTC)

Beverly:
London........Does this madness never end? My daughter is in China on business this week and I am thinking how crazy is this, that she is probably safer there than anywhere?
- 63.233.86.151 - Friday, July 08, 2005 at 05:04:43 (UTC)

Regina of Kamloops:
Hi, Beverly! Yes it is a terrible thing to happen, attacks just out of the blue, no chance to stop it!
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, July 08, 2005 at 06:10:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We must all keep our faith-keep our eyes ,ears, mind and hearts open and pray.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 08, 2005 at 14:55:52 (UTC)

Jim:
I don't think the madness will ever end unfortunately. One generation grows up with the spector of the cold war and now we live with terrorism. This makes dealing with Stalin look easy since anyone with the right tools and a sick mind can kill innocent people at will. I don't know what the answer is but hope that prayers will help. On the other hand, people on the side of the terrorists are praying just as hard for more people to die. It is a crazy world.
- 205.188.117.8 - Friday, July 08, 2005 at 20:18:00 (UTC)

Nancy:
I agree Jim although, I might be naive but still think that there are more good people than bad in this world. I used to think that I'd love having grandchildren but now often think of what a horrible world this is (at times) to bring a new life into it.....into what? To all of my concerned friends....my father-in-law has been diagnosed with lymphoma. He had surgery yesterday to "stage" it so the oncologist can determine the best treatment. My husband was wonderful in speaking to his family about their father taking his cues from their behavior regarding his diagnosis. I've directed them also to some wonderful websites on lymphoma and they're educating themselves.....knowledge is power! Thanks to all of you for the prayers.
- 69.179.33.252 - Saturday, July 09, 2005 at 01:56:07 (UTC)

Beverly:
I guess what amazes me is that this happened when almost every major player in the free world was a hop, skip and jump away? It seems you would think if there was any security issues at anytime this would be super hightened attention. What if these mad men had decided to go to Scotland instead? My husband and I just talked about the Cold War and all those years and I remember a nun in school assuring all of us that the Cold War would go away when my generation came to be adult and realize that absurdity of it all. Can we hope for that with these people. Why do the thousands of Islam people not rise and say ENOUGH!
- 63.233.10.175 - Saturday, July 09, 2005 at 02:54:38 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nancy, we hope and pray for the best for your father-in-law.

Yes there are some misguided, radical Muslims misinterpreting the Koran and using it to justify war with the West. But ask yourselves how effective they would have been without the oil money that allowed despots like Bin Laden to develop his network. I know it is hindsight, but we had the opportunity in the early '70's during the first oil crisis to divorce ourselves from the Saudis, Iraqis, and Iranians by ridding ourselves of oil exports and developing alternatives and new sources. We didn't do it. This, I think, is the biggest tragedy and allowed all the evil things to fall into place, domino-style, behind it. From the hostage crisis '79 to everything that has followed. Like it or not, money equals power and the Middle East now has plenty of both, and we in the West are all paying the price.
- 67.186.39.78 - Sunday, July 10, 2005 at 13:56:13 (UTC)

Helmuth:
On a lighter note! There must be some Mets fans out there, I take great pleasure in noting that my Pirates have taken at least 2 out of 3. We will be at the game today, let's see if we can get to Pedro early...
- 67.186.39.78 - Sunday, July 10, 2005 at 13:59:38 (UTC)

franz of vancouver:
you said it all Helmuth and every time the price of gas goes up they are smiling and rubbing theyre hands and thinking we got those westerners by the short hair.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, July 10, 2005 at 15:57:04 (UTC)

Nancy:
An early entry tonight. Hope your day at the game was good Helmuth. Hello cousin Franz. I'll get the file to you this week for Albin. I wish everyone a good and peaceful week. Trix........keep cool in this blistering heat.
- 69.179.5.225 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 00:10:36 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Thanks Nancy, we had a good time at the game but Pedro Martinez was too much for our hitters. We'll take 2 out of 3. Franz, not only do we have to deal with OPEC as we have for years, but now the Chinese are bidding up the price of oil because of their increased demand (partly making and transporting all those products for your local WalMart).
- 67.186.39.78 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 01:20:30 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth, I was just watching a tv program the other night on the horrendus oil consumption of the Chinese and they are now entering into a new deal with Russia to get more oil daily and then it showed all the cars on the roads going nowhere, just sitting bumper to bumper, for hours and they said they were working towards a car for every citizen but the only traffic that moved at all were the cyclists, wow what polution that will be and now there's no way to put that genie back in the bottle is there! Maybe if they sit there long enough they will realize that it takes more than owning a car to get anywhere.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 01:46:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
Franz - we call one of our main roads into Toronto a very slow moving parking lot.... it hasn't prevented people from driving into the city, even though relatively cheap public transit is available. In recent years all the gas-guzzling SUVs have simply compounded the problem. When I had to give up driving I found out that there actually is life after cars - I didn't much like it, but I got used to it. Now I feel awfully virtuous about it :) because I'm not polluting the environment. What's more, I can read while I'm getting from one place to the other. Of course, the police aren't collecting nearly as many speeding and parking fines as they did when I still whizzed around town!
- 64.229.230.112 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 02:15:02 (UTC)

Ridy:
If we could start to think of the people on our planet Earth as one family, albeit a large one, the solutions to our problems would become much clearer. Only then would the phrase "I am my brother's keeper" start to make sense. But that's another topic -- or is it?
- 64.229.230.112 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 10:54:35 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Ridy, so are you saying the streets of Toronto are safer without you...I doubt it!
- 67.186.39.78 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 18:27:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Helmuth. In my own defence I will say that I am still a terrific backseat driver!
- 64.229.230.112 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 19:29:28 (UTC)

Jim H:
A quick note on the oil ------ the Chinese economy is going to put a strain on many commodities. It is propelled by cheap labor and inefficient energy production. However, as things go, I think we use too much in the way of oil based products in the United States. Large cars, pseudotrucks, hummers. Maybe the increased gas prices will bring us back to our senses. Finding other sources of energy (?nuclear), more sources for oil & gas, and conservation are all in the mix.
- 205.188.117.6 - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 22:51:41 (UTC)

frank of Vancouver:
Jim you feel nuclear is the way, are you not a little afraid of( 6mile Isl.or even worst?)
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, July 12, 2005 at 05:13:32 (UTC)

Jim:
Franz, every answer has its good points and its bad points. Even if we can develop all natural gas and oil in North America and the Caribbean and do a great job in conservation, I think we will still fall short of energy demands. Atomic energy is a victim of NIMBY (not in my back yard). Solar energy and other sources are not cost effective at the current time. I think we have to look at all options including nuclear. The environmentalists can't have it all their way. They decry new oil drilling and nuclear power but I have yet to hear a sane alternative. Unless we have sufficient energy, the economy goes into the tank and more ill will be done than good.
- 152.163.100.135 - Wednesday, July 13, 2005 at 01:05:15 (UTC)

Helmuth:
There are a number of technologies out there, including hybrids, biodiesel, hydrogen, wind, etc. that are on the horizon and are very close to being cost effective. Nuclear can also be part of the solution, but the issue of radioactive waste disposal is a very thorny one. My point was that we should have been at this stage 30+ years ago when we had the first opportunity, before our dependence on the Middle East got out of control and precipitated all the horror we see today.
- 170.201.180.33 - Wednesday, July 13, 2005 at 17:13:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
At the rate we have become addicted to the use of energy, the only real solution on the horizon, at least for the time being, is nuclear. My brother-in-law is a nuclear physicist, recently retired, and he's convinced me of that. Of course, the rules for operating nuclear plants must be followed to the letter, without exception, and the plants must not be allowed to become run down. But thst's really true for all our infrastructure.
- 64.229.230.112 - Wednesday, July 13, 2005 at 19:00:58 (UTC)

Marilu:
We have a uranium mill here in Canon City and it has been here for years and there is a group that is trying very hard to send it packing. It was on the way edge of town when it was built, but of course people built houses close to it, and now they want it dismantled and gone. Seems the same things happen to airports in Colorado. They put them in the middle of nowhere, and then they start building around them and then complain of the noise.
- 207.200.116.203 - Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 03:43:53 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, all! I sure wish and pray that the spaceship program would not go on and spend the money to find a cheaper way of harnessing the sun power and thus not polute. Look at airplains and how much fuel theyyy use and how many planes are in the air at one time. Plus, all the fuel being used to ship goods on our seas. Something MUST be done never mind spending so much on Spaceships and fuel too.
Another thing they could spend the spaceship money is to eradicate cancer with all the money they spend on war and the spacerace. The only reason to go to space would be to make a large harness for the sun and use the energy for fueling all north america.
Then lets leave the arabs alone with all their oil, then they can keep it!!!@!
- 24.67.253.204 - Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 06:34:30 (UTC)

Beverly:
Think the medical industry is ready to give up cancer as a money maker??? NOT! I wish. It is not going to happen. Think about how many people that would put out of work! There is plenty of money to eradicate cancer but it will never happen. When I was diagnosed..the first question I asked was "how much are the treatments"...it was in 1991 and my bill that year was $47,000 ...what is that now??? I apologize to be so forward.
- 63.233.10.82 - Friday, July 15, 2005 at 05:56:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
We have a our national health insurance plan up here in Canada, Beverly, and people still get cancer at alarming rates. They also still smoke at alarming rates, they drink too much, they eat the wrong foods, they drive too fast, etc., etc., etc., and they still sometimes blame it on the doctors. That's a bum rap and an easy cop-out. I have lost too many friends and family members to cancer not to wish fervently that cancer could be eradicated, but blaming the doctors for the fact that it's still so prevalent and ignoring the huge progress that's been made over the years isn't fair.
- 64.229.227.108 - Friday, July 15, 2005 at 11:32:17 (UTC)

Jim:
Beverly, as a physician, I have to agree with you that medicine has, unfortunately, become a big business. However, I don't think there is any foot dragging on finding a cure for cancer. It is a multisystem, multifactorial disease and there have been great strides. $47000 is a lot of money, however, it is now 14 years later and you are alive and kicking so I bet you think it was money well spent. There are individuals who may have spent that amount of money on cigarettes in the same time period.
- 152.163.100.14 - Friday, July 15, 2005 at 17:07:08 (UTC)

Jim:
Helmut, I think you and I are in complete agreement about energy costs and consumption. In this area, I am sure there has been foot dragging by the oil companies to do anything about it because solar or other forms of energy would cut into profits. I look forward to the time when we use less and have other ways to provide energy. Even in my own family, we have skirmishes over lights, and thermostats. It is not because I would save money but rather I think we go overboard with general electricity use as well as both heat and air conditioning.
- 152.163.100.11 - Friday, July 15, 2005 at 17:12:01 (UTC)

Beverly:
Yes you all are right .... I have great Doctors and I guess my ire is more placed in the insurance end of it.
- 63.233.8.93 - Saturday, July 16, 2005 at 01:24:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello everyone and a happy weekend to you all..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 17, 2005 at 00:34:25 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Wow! when it rains it pours. My wife hit something big in the road last Tuesday, now her cars transmission needs replaced because of it. She went in hospital Friday morn for a hysterectomy so she doesn't need the car right now while it's in the shop anyway. I came home tonight from visiting her at the hospital and my air conditioner is stopped running, hotter than anything in the house. She's supposed to come home tomorrow and Sears can't fix it until Thursday! KC weather is in the 90's with high humidity. Thank God for patience, it will all work out! Have a great weekend everybody.
- 70.249.163.119 - Sunday, July 17, 2005 at 03:44:42 (UTC)

Beverly:
Gregg, I think I would find a Motel 6...she will need her rest to get better and I think it will be very uncomfortable when it is soooo hot.
- 4.181.68.76 - Monday, July 18, 2005 at 01:51:26 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Have a great week everyone!
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, July 18, 2005 at 18:26:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Regina: Ditto.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 18, 2005 at 19:40:39 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Hello everyone! Just wanted to share some info on the Eppich reunion this past Friday in Mancos, Colorado. Over 100 descendents of Johann Eppich and his 10 children gathered to reconnect and enjoy a beautiful day. Attendees traveled from New York, California, Oregon, Idaho, Ohio, and many other points in between. Lou Eppich (one of Johann's grandchildren0 and his wife Evelyn still have a small cattle ranch in Mancos. Lou's daughter Susan and nieces Theresa, Helen and Pauline organized the reunion. One of Johann's great-great grandaughters (!!) has volunteered to create an Eppich reunion Web page complete with photos and a family tree, so I hope to be able to post the Web address to that in the next few months. By the way, my mom's father, Anton Eppich, was Johann's youngest child. (Jim, I think you have all of the genealogy for this Eppich line already, but let me know if you need some in-fill info).
- 141.110.70.54 - Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 13:02:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sounds like a wonderful reunion, Herb!

I've been wondering if you're coming to Toronto for the Treffen this year? Will your choir be singing for us? I sure hope so and am looking forward to seeing you there.
- 64.229.227.108 - Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 14:38:24 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Ridy, we'll have about 30 choir members coming to Toronto to sing the Mass together with the New York choir, just like last year in Milwaukee. We're all looking forward to it! See you then!
- 141.110.70.54 - Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 20:32:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
Herb - whet my appetite, please - what will we be hearing? Which Mass? Schubert, maybe? I've been trying to dust off my scales, but seem to have misplaced some of the notes. Think I might check out the basso profundo range next and work my way up an octave or two from there. :)
- 64.229.5.8 - Friday, July 22, 2005 at 11:19:49 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Ridy, this year it's the Gottscheer Mass. Been a while since we've done more than a selection or two from it. Of course, we'll have other selections also. Hope you'll enjoy!
- 141.110.70.54 - Friday, July 22, 2005 at 20:36:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
Herb - I really hate to admit this, but I didn't know we had a Gottscheer Mass! Enlighten me, please. Who wrote it? Is it possible to get a copy of it? Sounds wonderful and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.
- 64.229.5.8 - Friday, July 22, 2005 at 21:53:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend to you all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 23, 2005 at 01:33:46 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi! Herb, the Gottscheer Mass sounds very interesting!
Ridy I sure would love to go to Toronto one of these years, now that we have been to Slovenia, Gottschee.
How often is The Toronto Treffen? Vancouver is having one for the first time on Aug.7th this year, I will be going have tickets already. Still need to get some pictures (old) to send them for display.

- 24.67.253.204 - Saturday, July 23, 2005 at 04:43:16 (UTC)

Ridy:
Regina - The North American Gottscheer Treffen has been held Labour Day weekend every year for the past 43 years. Before that, these gatherings were simply known as Gottscheer Picnic in places like Cleveland and New York. Cleveland, New York, Milwaukee, Kitchener and Toronto take turns hosting the Treffen every year, and this year happens to be Toronto's turn. In addition to the Treffen, these cities also still have their own picnics every year.
- 64.229.5.8 - Saturday, July 23, 2005 at 15:36:45 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Regina- we are looking forward to meeting you at the picnic on the 7th of August in Richmond B,C. We too have our tickets and Erika has my pictures so see you there.
Paul-a happy weekend to you and glad to hear you are feeling better so stay well.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, July 23, 2005 at 18:02:52 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Happy Sunday Evening everyone
- 209.91.128.36 - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 01:34:49 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
GUTEN ABEND. Missed last week. Hope all are well. We are baking in KC. Sorry to log off so quickly. Auf weidersehen.
Bleib gesund.
- 4.245.25.45 - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 01:42:36 (UTC)

Nancy:
It's been a lllllooooonnnnnggggg week. Happy Sunday everyone and hope the coming week is cooler...it's downright sultry out there.
- 69.179.22.97 - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 02:40:42 (UTC)

Regina in Kamoops:
Thanks, Ridy for the info.
Franz, see you in Richmond soon.!
Hope all had a great weekend we went to the lake for a couple of days, came home around 8:30 Sunday night.
Hope to go tomorrow again, takes us 1 1/2 hours to drive there.
Talk again soon.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 03:54:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Have a Happy and cool week everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 18:33:54 (UTC)

Erika Soehn:
Hi everyone! This is the first time I am loging into the Plauderzimmer. I have been told about it by several of my fellow Gottscheers. I also note that several of you are looking forward to the Vancouver Gottscheer Treffen. That is great to hear as I am one of the organizers. In this regard I need your help. I am look for the words to a Gottscheerish song "Hannsha bill aufs kirtug gehn". I don't know if the spelling is right but if you know the song or you can get me the words I would very much appreciate it. I am trying to get the words for the Treffen and put them into our program booklet so that everyone can sing along. Will check over the next few evenings if any of you have come up with the words. Any help would be appreciated. Erika

- 207.200.116.14 - Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 06:58:48 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Erika - Please send me your e-mail address or your mailing address and I will send you the text. I have the collection of Gottscheer Volkslieder which was recorded between 1954 and 1966 by Johannes Kunzig and Waltraut Werner with mostly Gottscheers in the Klagenfurt area providing the singing on the three records. The good thing is that they also published the texts of the songs on the records, both in the Gottscheer dialect and in High German. It's an excellent resource for Gottscheer songs.
- 64.229.5.8 - Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 11:08:10 (UTC)

Ridy:
Erika - I guess it would help if I gave you my e-mail address. You can reach me at ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.5.8 - Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 18:04:31 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Ridy, thanks for responding to the Songs Gottscheer!
I had heard some from my sister and brother. The one line
I remember is about...;duer mune (moon) a zichet ahin ibers
derfle. ??The moon drifts across the village. and duer himel ischt zer blau eber Reichenau. The sky is so blue over Reichenau. Not much only first lines.

- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 04:54:06 (UTC)

Erika Soehn in Richmond:
Thanks for the quick reponse to my request. I really appreiate this. I have the words to the song "Dar Muna" (The Moon) as well as several others. Just the "Hannsha bil auf kirtug gehn" was not in the GHGA song book and it is one of the songs that Albin Petschauer plays on his button accordian. Thanks.
- 207.200.116.131 - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 07:26:41 (UTC)

Jim:
I am most likely going to the Treffen in Toronto. I know there is a mass on Sunday. Are there usually any activities afterward?
- 152.163.100.6 - Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 15:26:21 (UTC)

Jim:
Sorry, I was referring to Monday in the previous posting.

How many others from the chatroom are going? How about from the GHGA? Perhaps we can get together for a sip of slivovitz. I get the impression that it is strong stuff on par with grappa as an acquired taste.

- 64.12.117.11 - Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 19:32:22 (UTC)

Ted Meditz from Germany:
Hi Erika Soehn in Richmont.You are looking for Gottscheer songs ? I got good news for you.Just type this e-mail address in your searching mashine www.gottschee.de you will find all the Gottscheer Songs. Just type the word Audio and then you turn your speakers on, you will find all the gottscheer songs in dialect.I hop, I was a good helb to you.If you find what you wohntet please let me know. Ted t.meditz@t-online.de

- 80.128.201.178 - Friday, July 29, 2005 at 11:29:27 (UTC)

Marilu:
Jim, I used to sell slivovitz at my store. But have not been able to get it now for about 10 years. One of my customers gave me a taste one day, and it burns going down. It used to be 100 proof, but the last years I sold it in the store, it was down to 80 proof.
- 207.200.116.197 - Friday, July 29, 2005 at 13:36:15 (UTC)

Marilu:
Jim, slivovitz is plum brandy, and actually not a bad taste.
- 207.200.116.70 - Friday, July 29, 2005 at 13:37:40 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, Ted from Germany. I did get into the web site and listened to some of the songs.
GREAT LOVED IT! I put it in my favourite list!
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, July 29, 2005 at 21:50:39 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, Marilou. Yes my mother use to make Plum Brandy and she added Juniper berries to add flavour. Your right it did burn all the way down into your stomach, very strong.
The stuff we brought from Gottschee is very strong also. My daughter says it tastes like soap? I don't think so.
I guess everyone to their own taste buds.

- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, July 29, 2005 at 21:56:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes, that is the way I remember it.Had one swig when I was 18 and never had one since. But we used to keep a bottle around for guests in those days----looooong time a go..Have a great weekend everybody..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 02:08:35 (UTC)

PAUL b.:
hAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE MENTION jAEGER mEISTER (SP)===i LIKE THAT ONE.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 02:10:20 (UTC)

Marilu:
Paul Jaegermeister tastes like medicine, only worse!
- 207.200.116.12 - Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 03:29:22 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Marilu-You are probably right.The first time i drank it was because my father-in-law said it was good for an upset stomach..And it did work (I think).....Then I acquired a taste for it-not that i drank it all the time...And then years later it became a big thing with the young college kids--they even wore shirts with the name on it...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:11:02 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
INVITATION.
GOTTSCHEER KULTURWOCHE UND GOTTSCHEER WALLFAHRT 2005 GOOTTSCHER LANDSMANNSCHAFT IN KLAGENFURT �STERREICH:
Hello to all,at the Plauderzimmer.I would like you to know,
that the 40th Kulturwoche ( culture week )will take place Monday the 1th until Sunday the 7th of August at the castle Krastowitz Klagenfurt Austria.
The promoter hopes to greet Gottscheer folks from all over the world where ever countrymen are living.
We hope to greet gottscheer's from America and Canada.
If the whether permits there will be a great 40th anniversary celebration for the whole week.
- 80.128.244.230 - Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 14:40:18 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Thank you Ted for the www.gottschee.de I realy enjoyd all the song and music.stay weel glad to hear you are doing O,K.

- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, July 31, 2005 at 04:28:57 (UTC)

Nancy:
Slivovitz? It was offered to the participants of the Gottschee tour on a daily basis!...sometimes several times a day! It did make the bus crowd break out in song a few times! Happy weekend to all.
- 69.179.2.29 - Monday, August 01, 2005 at 00:20:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yeah Nancy, if thatdoesn't make you break out in song, then nothing will.....Have a great week ahead everyone...No slivowitz during work hours, please!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 01, 2005 at 01:47:06 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Greetings to Herb Mausser and all other friends in the Plauderzimmer. It continues to be hot at Waukenabo. Time to cool down a bit.

The Treffen in Toronto will be a GREAT event. I love the idea of the Gottscheer mass. Herbert - any chance someone could video tape it? I am thinking it might be a good seller for those of us who collect Gottscheer memorabelia. Just a thought but hopefully a good thought.

Everyone going to Toronto ENJOY and dance one for me too.
- 209.240.245.148 - Monday, August 01, 2005 at 02:02:12 (UTC)

Pat:
Has anyone traveled to kocevje lately. My Grandparents were of Gottschee decent and we would like to visit the area in Slovenia. I am just at the beginning stages of planning our trip and wonder if anyone has any info on sightseeing there. We are taking a Hydrofoil from Venice and can go direstly to kocevje or Ljubijana. Any info woulf be helpful.
- 67.81.129.93 - Tuesday, August 02, 2005 at 14:51:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wish you all a very pleasant weekend.Hope your weather is better than ours..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 03:47:09 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, Pat. Yes I have been to Slovenija resently, came home on June 8th from there.
Llubljana is lovely there is a Castle on the mountain to see. The three bridges and central square is nearby.
There is Kompas Travel in that City also and would probable be of help regarding any Gottscheer places to see
like the museum and I'm sure they would be of some help.
I had a great time over there and I'm sure you will too.
- 24.67.253.204 - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 05:17:18 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Pat, Kompas Travel was our tour and had a wonderfull tour Guide for 2 weeks.
- 24.67.253.204 - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 05:18:34 (UTC)

Sophia in Minnesota:
Hi Pat. I am assuming you are the lady from the Scranton, PA area. Yes? If so, very nice to hear form you. Hope life is treating you well. Am excited about your interest in a trip to the former Gottschee. Would love to help any way I can. Feel free to write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. Hope to hear from you soooon. Stay cooooool.
- 209.240.245.170 - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 16:49:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix: I forgot what cool is on Long Island....By the way, is everyone on vacation from the PZ????
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 18:04:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello all......I'm not on vacation but we've been very bust with my ailing mother and father-in-law. Must be hot on Long Island as well? Trix spoke for the both of us...It's been really hot here. I hope that all attending the Vancouver's first ever Treffen have a wonderful time. I so wish I could have gone. Pat...I too recently visited Slovenia. I urge you to contact Trix as she knows much about the area. I highly recommend making Dol. Toplice your "home base" for part of the trip. Also, the archives in the capital city is a great place to visit for baptismal (and other) documents. I know you'll have a wonderful time.
- 69.179.18.109 - Sunday, August 07, 2005 at 01:39:59 (UTC)

Reinhard :
Wo sind die Kumps Gottschee Neuberg50?
- 83.135.45.72 - Sunday, August 07, 2005 at 20:31:15 (UTC)

Sophia aus Minnesota:
Reinhard: Meinst Du wo ist die Familie Kump die einmal in Neuberg 50 by Tschermoschnitz wohnte?

Wenn ja, ich kann meinen guten Freund in Deutschland fragen. Auch er kommt von Neuberg. Ich bin auch dort in der N�he geboren. Und Du?

- 209.240.237.172 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 00:51:42 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sophia, a file is on the way to Reinhard. Much of his family is in the GHGA marriage file indices and I was able to find out more in the Ellis Island manifests.
- 205.188.117.13 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 01:32:54 (UTC)

Nancy:
Trix and Jim...this brings me back to last year when you both played detectives for my family history. Good luck and happy hunting! Hello to all and have a great week. I hope we'll enjoy a report from those who attended the Treffen in Vancouver today!
- 69.179.5.56 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 01:38:58 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Greetings to you all. Dr. Jim - so from where are Reinhards ancestors from and what are their names. As always GOOD WORK.

Nancy, stay well and take care of yourself. You have much going on in your life at the moment.

Severe weather heading our way. We need the rain.

Yes, I am hoping that someone will comment on the Vancouver Gottscheer gathering. They had 222 reservations. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!! Way to go.
- 209.240.237.172 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 01:53:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Sorry to have missed the last 2 weeks. New computer just installed by my son. Hope all are well. Will log off now. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 4.244.192.21 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 02:20:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hope you all have a great week-good health and good weather. Good luck would be nice too....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 03:47:01 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Hello all, bit late but had to have a nap after spending a wonderful afternoon at the first ever Vancouver Gottscheer Treffen. Got to meet Regina from Kamloops, Mary Rees from California and many many old friends and friends of my parents that I haven't seen in years. Erika (nee Matzelle) did a wonderful job of organizing it. The food was great (ate too much) and now we are all wondering why it took us so long to hold such a gathering. It sure won't be the last.
Ridy there were many Hoeglers there so we will talk later and find out which are your relatives.
Sophia your brother Richard had a great time and if my eyes weren't deceiving me it was him whirling Mary Rees so lightly around the dance floor.
Good music (Albin Petschaur and others on their accordians)Good food and Good friends, who could ask for anything more.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 04:44:39 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
THANK YOU Franz. What a nice, nice report. So glad to hear that everyone had a wonderful time. I just knew it. PLEASE be sure that the Gottscheers do it again next year. YIPPEE!!
Thank you Ron Schuss and company.
- 209.240.245.173 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 13:58:38 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Thank you Erika and company .
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 18:44:41 (UTC)

Marilu:
Jeanne in CA
Jim and I both responded to that request about Clinton County on the Gottscheer website, about two weeks ago. I sent her information on her family, but have not heard anything word back from her. Am still hoping she contacts me with answers on her end. I also wrote to Peggy Smrekar, and she said she does not have relatives in Clinton County.
- 207.200.116.203 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 22:26:37 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you cousin Franz for the wonderful commentary on the Vancouver Treffen. It sounds like the attendence was great! Alright Paul? I think things here are as calm as they're going to get for awhile. Frank, Paul, Trix, Jeanne...thanks for all of the supportive emails. You are all wonderful!
- 69.179.33.98 - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 23:33:47 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi! I have finally arrived home tonight from Vancouver, Richmond. The Treffen was great, soooo many people and relatives I haven't seen in years. The oldest person there was my Aunt Emma. I got alot of pictures next time I'll take even more! Great to meet you Franz and also met Trix sister Olga and brother Richard it was great to meet new people and old.
Well it is getting late 10:30pm have only been home for l and half hours.
Nancy it is great to hear from you often on the PZ.
Everyone have a great week!!!!
- 24.67.253.204 - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 05:26:13 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I just love this, when I see all the messages and concerns for everyone...God Bless you all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 16:38:06 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Reinhard Kump:Wer Kann �ber die Kumps in Neuberg 43-50 erz�hlen? Meine Email:reinerkump@yahoo.de.Bin mit Jim Heimann in Kontakt.
- 87.122.209.120 - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 17:15:21 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Reinhard is looking to connect with grandaunts and granduncles who came to the United States in the early 1900s. I have tracked one grandaunt, Elisabeth Kump, to Brooklyn where she married a Frank Mausser. A granduncle named Albert emigrated to Milwaukee where he married someone named Elsie. They had at least two daughters, June and May. Another grandaunt, Rosina, lived in the Ridgewood area and either did not marry or married someone named Kump as her listed name in the Gedenkbuch was Kump. Reinhard has information indicating an Andreas Kump as living in Glendale at one time but I can't find him to this point. If you have information, you can either email me at DocH301454@aol.com or Reinhard at his address.
- 152.163.100.5 - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 21:04:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Speaking of Milwaukee, does anyone have an email contact with the Wisconsin Gottscheer group?
- 152.163.100.200 - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 21:05:19 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Jim,
Thanks f�r Deine gute Arbeit!!!
Ich habe noch Kopien/Dokumente von Alfons Kump ,kommt noch.Ich schreibe noch die Linie.
Macht richtig Spass zu forschen.Meine cousine ist noch im Urlaub,dann kommen Daten von Peregrin Kump.
Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.208.150 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 15:46:04 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Ted Meditz,
Wir haben mal telefoniert �ber Neuberg gesprochen.Mein Grossvater Bernard Kump hat ja Harmonika beim Petschauer zu
Festlichkeiten gespielt.Wei�t du wo das war?P�llandl oder Altsag?Felsenkeller?
Opa ist ja vermisst,in K�nigsberg.Ist sehr schwer was zu erfahren.Schade!!! Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.208.150 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 15:54:35 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Sophia aus Minnesota,
Ja die meine ich in Neuberg50.Wo bist du da geboren?
Ich bin in Germany geboren und wohne in City Wuppertal Stadt der Schwebebahn.
Mein Vater und deren Familie haben bis zur Unsiedlung da gewohnt.Leider sind alle verstorben,kann niemand mehr befragen.Jaa wahrscheinlich meinst du Ted Meditz habe schon mal mit telefoniert.Frau Schager geb.Schmuck wei� auch noch gut bescheit �ber Neuberg.Habe Kontakt mit Ihr.
Ich war 1973 in Neuberg mit meiner Familie Bernhard Kump im Urlaub.Wir haben in Obcice(Krapferln)gewohnt.Jose Krize!
Aber da war schon in Neuberg alles �berwuchert und Mauerreste von den Geb�uden.Hab vor dem Haus in Neuberg gestanden,naja ist schon lang her. Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.208.150 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 17:23:08 (UTC)

JIm H:
A little comment on the Vancouver Treffen----- unbelievable turnout per our embedded Gottscheer correspondents. :) It is great to see such interest. I hope the younger generation participated.
- 205.188.116.8 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 17:36:45 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Jim,ist alles gut r�ber gekommen!!
- 87.122.208.150 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 19:53:55 (UTC)

Christine P. Sharp:
Greetings everyone, I just want to let everyone know that on Monday evening on the Hallmark Channel the movie will be the life of Pope John Paul2. It has been highly advertised here in our area ( Las Vegas ) It is titled " A man who became Pope. THis is on August 15,2005 here at 8:00 p.m.
Has anyone else heard of this? It is supposed to be a true story. Ridy Great to have you back!!!
- 207.200.116.195 - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 00:37:36 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Christine..........I don't think we get the Hallmark Channel but I'll find out for sure tomorrow. How was your time away Ridy? Thanks for the NY Times article on Slovenia. It was very interesting. We missed you!
- 69.179.21.120 - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 00:41:06 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Ebersbach B.W�rttemberg:
Leiber Reinhard,
Dein Vater hat zum gr�sten Teil im Gastgaus Petschauer im Felsenkeller meistens am Sonntag Nachmittag zum Tanz aufgespielt wir konnten es bis zum unserem Haus herauf h�ren.Ich kann mich noch sehr gut an deinen Gro�vater erinnern, auch im Umsiedlungsgebiet in K�nigsberg haben wir nur 100 Meter Auseinander gewohnt.Dein Vater war mit mehreren Gottscheer aus Tschermoschnitz von den Partisanen
erschossen worden.
Es tut mir leid dass zu sagen , so war es eben damals als die furchtbaren Zeiten herein brachen.

- 80.128.196.83 - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 17:43:54 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Ebersbach B.W�rttemberg:
Lieber Reinhard,
Dein Vater hat zum gr�sten Teil im Gastgaus Petschauer im Felsenkeller meistens am Sonntag Nachmittag zum Tanz aufgespielt wir konnten es bis zum unserem Haus herauf h�ren.Ich kann mich noch sehr gut an deinen Gro�vater erinnern, auch im Umsiedlungsgebiet in K�nigsberg haben wir nur 100 Meter Auseinander gewohnt.Dein Vater war mit mehreren Gottscheer aus Tschermoschnitz von den Partisanen
erschossen worden.
Es tut mir leid dass zu sagen , so war es eben damals als die furchtbaren Zeiten herein brachen.

- 80.128.196.83 - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 17:46:39 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
I made a mistake by sending the message for Reinhard Kump,
I was trying to correct one word thas why it happened,
made 3. out of it

- 80.128.196.83 - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 17:57:48 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Lieber Ted Meditz,
Danke f�r die Informationen mit dem Felsenkeller.
Ja,mit den Partisanen habe ich mal von meiner Oma geh�rt,aber die Informationen waren recht wenig und unklar die Motive.Hatte immer den Eindruck man wollte nicht alles erz�hlen.vielleicht vor uns Kinder geschwiegen wenn man nachgefragt hat.Kannst Du mir n�heres schildern ,die Umst�nde ,Motive und wie und was da geschehen ist?Wo habt ihr da genau gewohnt Hausnummer/Dorf.Die Umgebung?Wer da noch von Schermoschnitz dabei war?Bitte es mir pers�nlich wichtig.Danke!!Schreibe mir an folgende Emailadresse:reinerkump@yahoo.de! Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.208.236 - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 18:54:06 (UTC)

Beverly:
Help! Some of us do not know what you are all talking about! Please can someone share?
- 63.233.8.214 - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 01:26:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Carla-If you are reading this, you are now on the Plauderzimmer as I explained.....Folks: Carla needs some info.I took the liberty of telling her that you all will help her out. So Jim-Helmuth-Sophia-Ridy, et al please help her....Thank You....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 04:33:29 (UTC)

Reinhard K.:
Frage:Das Umsiedlerbuch was beinhaltet es?Name,Durchschleusungsnr.,Geburtsdatum,Geburstorte,Beruf.Undwas noch?Gegebenfalls wohin umgesiedelt,Ort,Hausnr.Vielleicht noch mehr? Danke
- 87.122.205.95 - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 10:44:12 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Reinhard K:
The German Resettlement Records of Gottschee Published by:
the Gottscheer Heritage & Genealogy Association.
Auf Deutsch Gottscheer Umsiedlerbuch,
Das beinhaltet alle Durchschleusten Gottscheer Geburtsdatum, Geburtsorte mit Heusnumern und Berufe Die Gottscheer, die in dem Umsiedlungsgebiet geboren wurden sind darin nicht enthalten. Es gibt noch weitere Nachschlagwerke zum
Beispiel Marriages:Standesamtliche Ausk�nfte in dem Zeitraum von 1741- 1941 f�r fast alle Pfarrgemeinden in Gottschee. Wer interesse hat,an solche Nachschlagwerke kann sich an mich wenden t.meditz@t-noline.de oder an Mrs.
Kate Loschke Baum,Treasurer,1471 Parkview Blvd.Stone Mounten, GA 30087-6722 Telefon Amerika Vorwahl - 678-684-3719 e-mail thegenie@parkspringscommunities.com
�ber die Restlichen Fragen werde ich dir noch antworen
- 80.128.237.212 - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 13:04:24 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Lieber Ted,
Wird im Umsiedlungsbuch der Umsiedlungsort angegeben?
Habe wohl bemerkt das je nach "sturm"gemeinsam in Orte umgesiedelt wurden.Habe dir noch eine Mail geschrieben!
Gruss Reinhard

- 87.122.205.95 - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 15:49:29 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Ted,
ich bins noch mal.
weisst Du was von Rosina Kump?Sie verband m�glicherweise Krize in Obcice.Vater hatte noch Verwandte in Obcice.Maria Primanic geb.Krize es war eine Cousine und Josef Krize ein Cousin.kannste was sagen?
Sa langsam bekomme ich den Durchblick Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.205.95 - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 15:58:04 (UTC)

Jim H:
Beverly,
Reinhard and Ted are talking about possible common acquaintances from the old country. Some emigrated to the US or Canada. Others stayed behind while Reinhard is wondering if a couple may have come over the "Great Pond" and then resettled in Gottschee. There are some passages about the time of the Resettlement and the partisans.
- 205.188.117.68 - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 10:45:43 (UTC)

Beverly :
Thanks Jim.....I was asking because I was interested but also I saw the name Schmuck....posting said:
Frau Schager geb. Schmuck. Thought perhaps it might be one of my Schmuck family. I started trying to translate with a website Sophia sent me but that was really slow going! Now if the Romans were marching on Gaul I could probably figure that out! Does geb. translate to maiden name?
- 63.233.11.152 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:20:12 (UTC)

Sophia aus Minnesota:
Hi Bev. Smart lady you. Am proud of you. Yes, geboren means maiden name and/or born.
- 209.240.245.82 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:26:57 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Beverly just how are you conected to the SCHMUCK Family
YOu can contact me at email agnes@shaw.ca my name is Frank Schmuck
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:39:40 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Beverly,
Hallo,Ich kenne Frau Schager,Geb.Schmuck .Ist in Steinwand
geboren und hat dann in Neuberg gewohnt.Ich habe Ihre Adresse und Telefonnr.Sie wohnt in D�sseldorf/germany.Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.216.176 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 10:15:24 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Jim,
ich habe ein "giegerich" gefunden.Rosina(rose)Kump hat in Broolkyn ein Eduard Giegerich geheiratet.Rosina ist im M�rz 1975 gestorben,hatte keine Kinder.Bin ich nicht super?found in familiesearch. Gruss an all Gottscheers
- 87.122.216.176 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 10:22:28 (UTC)

Beverly:
I am thinking Reinhard is telling me he knows a woman named Schager, nee Schmuck, born perhaps in Steinwald and lived in Neuberg?? I think he also says she now lives in Germany and he knows her address and phone number??? Am I even close?
- 63.233.8.181 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 22:13:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
You're right on the money, Beverly!
- 64.229.5.8 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 22:26:40 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone! An early entry tonight. Thanks to those who are translating the German for us. Paul...who is Carla and what family history is she looking for? I'm in need of a distraction from all of the medical "stuff" so anyway I can help...just let me know. I wish you all a good week.
- 69.179.7.79 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 01:21:13 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Lovely rain came to KC. Temps very cool, yards revitalized, and everybody feels better. Hope all had a good week. My Tante Leni Jonke of Mahopac will have surgery Wed at Mt Sinai in NY - lung cancer. Please pray for her. Not much else. Auf wiederehen. Bleib gesund.
- 64.218.109.240 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 01:37:17 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Good Evening to you all. Hope you had a great weekend. Early fall has arrived at Waukenabo and it feels wonderful. Just think a few days ago we were baking in 95 degrees - tonight a fire feels wonderful.

I wish you all a good week. Think Toronto and the annual GOTTSCHEER TREFFEN.
- 209.240.245.174 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 03:11:16 (UTC)

Marilu:
We too had beautiful rain this weekend, and it has cooled off. I imagine we will still have plenty of hot weather yet tho before fall settles in here.
- 207.200.116.135 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 03:50:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret: Tante Leni will be in all our prayers. God Bless..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 04:14:49 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Lieber Jim,wenn die mails zum thema:Partisanen und vermisst
einigen Gottscheern zu viel waren,m�chte ich mich hier an dieser Stelle entschuldigen!
Ich bin Politisch nicht motiviert,damit keine Missverst�ndnisse aufkommen.Aber ein Recht zu wissen wo mein Grossvater geblieben ist habe Ich alle mal.
Jim wenn du Regen brauchst,ich gebe Dir genug.Der ganze August f�llt ins Wasser.Super Sommer!!
- 87.122.194.219 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 15:22:32 (UTC)

Sophia aus Minnesota:
Reinhard, wo wohnst Du?
- 209.240.237.141 - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 16:46:21 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Sophia aus Minnesota,
Ich wohne in Germany,City:Wuppertal!50Km nord�stlich von K�ln.
- 87.122.205.50 - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 07:17:31 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Sophia,
Ich freue mich auf deine Bilder vom Petschauer!
Reinhard
- 87.122.218.158 - Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 17:00:12 (UTC)

Christine Petschauer Sharp:
Sophia:
I am a Petschauer and since I do not speak or read German,
Can you tell me what Reinhard Kump Is talking about in regards to Petschauer? Thank you!!!!
- 207.200.116.137 - Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 19:24:04 (UTC)

:
He said he is happy about the picturesof petschauer
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 00:28:29 (UTC)

Sophia in Minnesota:
Christine - we are talking about Gasthaus Petschauer "Anderleisch? in Altsag, Gottschee. Reinard grandfather used to play the accordion there. When I was very young my mother and father would go to mass in Tschermoschnitz and then go to Anderleisch for the afternoon. This including a lot of dancing. I can still see my dad holding me tight and dancing the hours away.

Reinar is 44 years old, lives in Germany and, just like the rest of us, is trying to put together the pieces of his Gottscheer ancestors.
- 209.240.237.138 - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 03:44:07 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Hallo Gottscheers,
Wer hat Fotos/Bilder Von Petschauers Gasthaus(Felsenkeller)in Gottschee/Altsag????
Im Zeitraum vor der Umsiedlung?!
Bitte sendet diese Fotos an mich.Danke!Email:reinerkump@yahoo.de Reinhard Kump
- 87.122.199.212 - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 07:53:34 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Herr Ted Meditz,
Die Post ist angekommen.Ist ja sehr Intressant.
Habe schon ein wenig gebl�ttert,mu� ja ein bi�chen Zeit haben um da durch zu hangeln. Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.199.212 - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 15:10:40 (UTC)

Christine Las Vegas Nevada:
Sophie:
Thank you for the information!! Don't know if this could possibly be one of my ancestors. My family came from Neubacher but were also relocated during WW11. Have been researching the family but have hit a brick wall and have not found any data recently. So was naturally interested in
the Petschauer meantioned in Reinhard's posting. I am the last Petschauer of my immediate family I should say my American born family Thank you Trix.
- 207.200.116.130 - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 19:46:17 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
On all Gottscheers,
Where had pictures From Gasthaus Petschhauer(Felsenkeller),before 1941????. Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.194.218 - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 07:59:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We wish everyone a pleasant weekend....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 23:25:31 (UTC)

Reinhard Kump:
Ist jemand hier?
- 87.122.197.135 - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 15:51:39 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone. Wasn't there a Petschauer Gasthaus in Tschermsochnitz as well? Johann and Marta? I seem to recall seeing them in the 1936 Gottschee film. Trix...didn't you mention meeting Marta out east somewhere in the '80s? I haven't figured out yet if they are my relations....still have a lot of connections to make.
- 69.179.17.163 - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 21:43:21 (UTC)

Nancy:
and by the way....hello Christine! We're not blood relations but it's always nice to hear from Petschauer friends too!
- 69.179.17.163 - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 21:44:42 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Yes Nancy, you have a GREAT memory. The Petschauer Gasthaus in Tschermoschnitz was called Pauleisch. I think it is still a Gasthaus. And yes I did meet Mrs. Martha Petschauer in Hawley in 1987 I think. Both of my aunts and my grandmother worked for them and my father was a good friend too.
- 209.240.245.104 - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 23:42:01 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope this Sunday finds everyone well. Cooler in KCMO. My Tante Leni Jonke is not doing very well. Would ask all of you to pray for her. Thank you.
- 64.218.109.38 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 01:10:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Trix and everyone on the PZ tonight. Is Reinhard related to the Petschauers? Which pictures of the Petschauers is he speaking of? I must check in more often...it seems I'm missing out on so much! Anyone attending the Toronto Treffen next month?
- 69.179.17.163 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 01:13:27 (UTC)

Nancy:
Of course...I'll be thinking of your Tante Leni.
- 69.179.17.163 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 01:14:44 (UTC)

Nancy:
Reinhard, feel free to email me at snancy@centurytel.net I'm afraid that I don't speak or read German but I have many wonderful friends who might help. I wish everyone a great week.
- 69.179.17.163 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 01:34:24 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret, Your tante is in our prayers-wish you all well...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 02:04:10 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
know your going to find this hard to believe, I just found out that franz joseph the 1st, emperor of austria is my grandfather.
- 65.54.155.15 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 02:37:13 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Greetings to you all. Very, very nippy at Waukenabo. Have my first wood fire going in a long, long time and it feels wonderful.

Margaret, I echo Paul's memo - our prayers are with you.

And to you Pat our sincere congratulations on your find. Talk about history. Now, please tell us how all of this happened.

Are you going to Gottschee soon? Be sure and let me know. Will be glad to assist you in any way possible.
- 209.240.245.104 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 02:46:04 (UTC)

:
will try to explain

- 65.54.155.15 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 03:01:12 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
its a long story trix

- 65.54.155.15 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 03:01:36 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
its late by me now, so will try to get on tomorrow night
- 65.54.155.15 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 03:02:38 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Good evening and hope all had a great weekend and also hope all haave a great week. We had a very nice weekend at the lake not to hot just right.
Has anyone heard of the planet MARS being close to earth lately almost the size of the Moon on the 27th it will be the closest.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 04:33:33 (UTC)

Edith Eisenk�lbl-Gliebe:
Hallo dear Sophia, many thanks for your lovely e-mails. Every time I`m very happy to get them.
We are going to Gottschee by bus on the 8 th of September 43 persons - Gottscheer Gedenkst�tte Graz-Mariatrost) and
will stay there three days long. I think it will be very nice.
In Austria we have an abominable weather...rain, rain and every time rain. It is very contrary.
Greetings to all gottscheers, especially Ridy.

- 62.47.3.148 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 07:17:14 (UTC)

Sophia:
Good Afternoon Edith. THANK YOU for your message. So 43 of you, members of the Gottscheer Gedenkst�tte in Graz - Maria Trost are going to Gottschee. WONDERFUL. I wish I could join you. Have a marvelous time and be sure and visit the Moschnitze area, the place of my birth.

Where will you be spending the nights? I mean in what city?

Have a good, good Monday. Early fall is here. I am enjoying my first wood fire in a long time. Sorry about the rain, rain, rain. It can be very frustrating. May you have nothing but sunshine on your journey to Gottschee. Pfiat Di G�tt.
- 216.251.169.26 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 10:24:55 (UTC)

Sophia:
Just me. I am still hoping to hear your beautiful voices via tape. Please think about it. I just know it would be most enjoyable to listen to the Gliebe sisters blending their voices in song.
- 216.251.169.26 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 10:26:21 (UTC)

patricia stonish warning:
trix, getting back to u on franz joseph 1st, i have in my possession original passport with his name on it, he filled it out for passage of my grandmother, aunt and father departing from hochenegg austria, 4/13/1913, arriving in america, 5/1/1913, while growing up i now understand why my father never told me about him. me and my sister are now doing extensive research which we find most interesting. think we will be quite busy for some time to come.
- 65.54.98.147 - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 23:31:43 (UTC)

Sophia:
Thanks Pat. This is truly amazing. Have you gone on the internet and read about Franz Joseph the First? They have quite a section. Keep us posted. This is exciting.
- 209.240.245.161 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 00:45:04 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
Been on the internet. Yes quite a section indeed, my printer has been going non stop. Just mailed my sister all the printouts. yes truly exciting.
- 65.54.98.147 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 01:53:20 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
this will keep me busy for long time

- 65.54.98.147 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 01:53:48 (UTC)

pat stonish warning:
goodnight, catch u again...
- 65.54.98.147 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 01:58:05 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Es ist sch�nes Wetter,und wir fahren alle nach Gottschee.Ok?
- 87.122.199.206 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 07:16:34 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard says: They have beautiful weather and they are all driving to Gottschee. OK?

Reinhard: Gute Reise, viel Spa� und liebe Gr��e an alle Gottscheer.
- 209.240.237.135 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 14:07:26 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Ist ja nur Regen im Moment in Gottschee.Da bleiben wir Daheim.
Ps.Sophia hab noch keine Post,kann noch ein bisserl dauern.

- 87.122.201.20 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 16:39:34 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Spohia habe das Umsiedlerbuch bekommen .Fehlt noch das "marriage P�llandl 1741-1941"GHGA!Hast du das Buch?
REINI mit Pusserl
- 87.122.201.20 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 16:43:01 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim l�sst nichts mehr von sich lesen.Urlaub??
Gr�zzi
- 87.122.201.20 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 16:44:29 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Nancy,
My English is bad.Excuse me.
Given many Petschauers.I search pictures from the Bar Petschauer Name:Felsenkeller!in Gottschee.I hope my Grandfather is on the pictures,there Played with Harmonika in the Bar.About 1920-1941!OK?
- 87.122.201.20 - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 16:54:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Does anyone know Fred Petschauer and his wife Freida, who was a Jaklitsch? They lived on Ridgewood/Maspeth...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 02:08:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I am sorry I forgot to say that they are no longer with us But I just wondered if anyone knew them....They are cousins to members of my Gottscheer family,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 02:12:12 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Paul B.
Ich kenne keinen von Deinen Lieben.Ich suche auch nach Vorfahren aus Gottschee. Gruss
- 87.122.196.77 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 10:23:12 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Ich Gr�sse alle Gottscheer!!!
- 87.122.196.77 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 10:25:02 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sophia,
Ich habe deine Briefpost bekommen.Habe die Bilder studiert und auch die Verbindung nach Oberblaschowitz (Johann Kump)da komme ich nicht weiter.In welchem Verwandtschaftsverh�ltnis zu Kump in Neuberg?in meiner Familienakte sehe ich keine Verbindung.Vielleicht sehe ich den Wald vor lauter B�ume nicht.!?Herzlichen Dank f�r deine Unterlagen. Gruss K�mp'sch
- 87.122.196.77 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 18:03:30 (UTC)

Paul B.:
God forgive me,but whatI meant to say about Petschauer-Freida that is=Freida is still with us-I only meant to say that fred died.....Good thing i read these postings over and over.I almost died myself when i saw what i wrote..It is tough when you get oooooold..........Have a good day everyone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 18:07:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Reinhard. Danke for your interest. Sorry Ich Kon et in German scriben....Did i do good? Now Now--i can hear you all laughing......That's OK..When i was young and I knew alittle bit, i used to keep them in stitches laughing.We sure did have great times together..Those were the days my friends.......
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 19:41:37 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Reinhard and your English is very good. Have you seen the film made in Gottschee/1936? This is where I saw the Petschauer Gasthaus in Tschermoschnitz. I am afraid that my German does not exsist and for that, I am sorry. Have a great rest of the week everyone.....Paul, my grandfather's name was "Fred Petschauer." I received a reply to a Tscherne query placed last year! I don't know if it will amount to much in helping to find what happened to my great uncle Mathias. Bye everyone.
- 69.179.10.177 - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 23:37:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Nancy, I will try to find out where the Tscherne girls(who of course are now married) live and see if i can get more info...I think I told you about thrir Dad who was Eddie tscherne-had a butcher shop in Queens, N.Y.Fred Petschauer taht i knew was real gentleman-nice man..I felt so bad when he was struck with Parkinsons,,Stay well, be talking to you...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 04:15:18 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Nancy,
I am not look this Film from 1936.
I not know wats the Name (Inhaber)the Gasthaus Petschauer was. ......?-Petschauer in the jears 1900-1941.
It lived many Petschauers in Gottschee.
Your uncle "Mathias" is missing???
My Grandfahter is missing in 1945(K�nigsberg)Untersteiermark and iam search for Informationen this Part of live. Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.196.77 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 07:28:09 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Hallo Reinhard, ein Film von Msgr. Joseph Trapp 1936 gibt es in deutscher Ausf�hrung als S-VHS, VHS und in DVD wenn Du interesse hast bitte schreibe mir. Heinhard bitte setze dich mit E.Meditz in Verbindung Zweck den vermisten in K�nigsberg e.meditz.glm@gmx.de
- 80.128.246.207 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 07:49:33 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Reiner! das Marriages: From the Parish of Peolandl 1793-1941 ist bei mir vorr�tig.

- 80.128.246.207 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 08:02:06 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Ted Meditz,
Ja genau Das Buch Verbindungen 1793-1941Peolandl,dieses intressiert mich.Das kannste schon resevieren!Hast Du noch andere Interssante B�cher?Zwecks Familienforschung aber ich glaube Du weisst was ich will.
Ted es waren ja auch viele Mischehen mit Slowenen,gibts da auch was in Deutsch?
Ich werde mich mit Herrn E.Meditz Heinhard in Verbindung setzen.Email habe ich notiert.
Den Film kann noch warten ,da komme ich noch drauf zur�ck.
Gruss reinhard
- 87.122.220.30 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 15:36:32 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Reinhard, Ich bin nicht auf Ferien. Ich habe auf einigen Stammb�umen f�r Leute gearbeitet.
No, I am not on vacation. I am working on some family trees for other people.
- 205.188.116.7 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 18:37:05 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Reinhard, viele der B�cher und Materialien sind durch das GHGA vorhanden. Der Film 1936 ist ganz speziell und ich empfehle mich, eine Kopie zu erhalten.
- 205.188.117.65 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 18:40:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ted, How are you doing? How is the weather in your part of Germany? How is the garden?
- 205.188.116.65 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 18:41:39 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Jim,
Ich hab dich schon vermisst!
Jim gibt es ein D�rferbuch mit Skizzen der H�user in Gottschee??
Auf der GHGA Seite sind ja nicht alle B�cher aufgelistet.Hast du eine Liste aller B�cher/Unterlagen`???
Das Wetter in Wuppertal ist auf gut deutsch BESCHISSEN.
Regen und 12Grad. Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.220.30 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 18:59:29 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim,der Film von 1936,wie lange dauert dieser?VHS?
Was ist der Inhalt??Ich bin ja nicht unversch�mt wenn ich frage ob mein Grossvater der Hauptdarsteller ist?
K�nnte ja sein!
- 87.122.220.30 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 19:05:30 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Lieber Reinhard: Du hast mich mit der Beschreibung eures Wetters zum lachen gebracht. Meine N�rnberger Verwandten h�tten das genau so ausgedr�ckt uns besser beschreiben ging gar nicht! Dein Grossvater ist zwar nicht ein Hauptdarsteller im Film von welchen man Dir erz�hlt, aber ich kann ihn Dir trotzdem empfehlen. Er bringt eine Reise durch die verschiedenen D�rfer und die Stadt Gottschee, eben so wie es dort for dem 2.Weltkrieg ausgesehen hat. Also eine Reise in die Vergangenheit � und einfach herrlich. Ich war in 1936 in Gottschee geboren, und so liegt dieser film mir besonders nahe am Herzen, aber auch meinen Kindern, die hier in Canada geboren sind, gef�llt er.
- 64.229.177.175 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 19:43:03 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Lieber Ridy,
Ein bi�chen Humor sollte man haben.
Mit dem Film denk ich nach.Bin in Deutschland geboren.Wenn mein Vater noch leben w�rde ,dann h�tte ich denn Film.Wie sagt der Franz Beckenbauer ,mal schauen.Alles liebe bis bald!Fall gleich ins Bett. Ein gutes N�chtle an alle Gottscheer.
- 87.122.220.30 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 20:01:12 (UTC)

Nancy:
What? Can someone translate the last several entries? Yes Reinhard...my great uncle Mathias Tscherne came to the states in 1889 and I have never found what happened to him. I do not know how you might find information on your grandfather. Can anyone else out there offer advice? I believe that the Gottschee film is still available for sale and a German narration has been added. Would a copy of this film work on your VCR? Did someone else say that the film is now also available on DVD?
- 207.118.218.85 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 21:29:47 (UTC)

Jim H:
This is the listing of the village sketches found on the GHGA site:

____ #485B Village Sketches of Gottschee 1941. Compiled by Paul Jenner. The book contains most of the villages in Gottschee, which show the location of the houses, main village roads, and other items. Includes family names of those who lived in the village in 1941. Published 2004. ISBN 1-931509-36-0. $25.00PPD

____#485CD CD-ROM version of the above book. ISBN 1-931509-40-9. $15.00PPD

- 64.12.116.72 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 21:36:20 (UTC)

Jim H:
Die Film letzten einige Stunden. Nr., denke ich nicht, da� Ihr Gro�vater ein f�hrender Schauspieler war. Ich glaube, da� sie lokales Talent verwendeten, ohne L�hne zu zahlen.

The film lasts several hours. No, I do not think your grandfather was a leading actor. I believe they used local talent without paying wages. :)
- 64.12.116.65 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 21:39:27 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you Jim for translating your own entries! (Danke?) I have the "Village Sketches of Gottschee." Is there anything I can look up for you? Take care...Mit Liebe! (I just learned that today!)
- 207.118.218.85 - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 23:17:43 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Good morning,
Jim kannst du mir eine liste von GHGA Literatur (gottschee)schicken??
- 87.122.220.30 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 08:18:43 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim kannste alls Datei anh�ngen.Thanks!!
- 87.122.202.203 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 08:19:59 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Hallo ieber Reinhard,
Entschuldige bitte das ich deinen Name nicht correct geschrieben habe.Das Nachschlagwerk von der Pfarrgemeinde P�landl ist f�r Sie Abrufbereit.
The book of the parish Peolandl from 1793- 1941 is for you available just let me know.
B�cher f�r die Familienforschung haben die Gottscheer in �sterreich und Deutschland nicht geschrieben.Es gibt das Buch 650 Jahre Gottschee und ein Festbuch 1980, Das Jahrhundertbuchder Gottscheer von Erich Petschauer Bearbeitet von Hermann Petschauer und noch einige ander.
Betrifft deine Frage,Mischehen zwischen Gottscheer und Slowenen, ja es gab viele Besonders bei den Nachbard�rfern
wir Kinder hatten da keine Probleme damit, wir sind gut miteinander ausgekommen.Die Kinder von den Mischehen sind Zweisprachig aufgewachsen die sprachen Slowenisch und Gottscheererisch.I would like to excuse my self by dose hoe don't anderstant German

- 80.128.193.104 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 08:20:45 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Lieber Ted,
Ich habe eine Mail an E.Meditz geschickt ,bin mal gespannt!!Das Poljane Marriage Buch kannste abschicken ok?
- 87.122.202.203 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 08:22:59 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim kannste du auch was �ber slowenische Angeh�rige in Erfahrung bringen?Familienakte!
- 87.122.202.203 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 08:25:10 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Lieber Ted Meditz,
kannst du mir sagen wie "Plesdorf" auf Slowenisch heisst??
Und Wo das ist?
- 87.122.202.203 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 15:59:17 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard: Du you mean das Dorf (the village) of Plesch by Neuberg?

Sophia
- 209.240.245.174 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 17:19:59 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sophia, can you give me a quick translation of

Jim kannste du auch was �ber slowenische Angeh�rige in Erfahrung bringen?Familienakte!

- 205.188.117.8 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 22:09:57 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Reinhard, die Publikationen werden auf dem GHGA-on-line-Aufstellungsort verzeichnet. Dieses ist die Adresse.

http://www.gottschee.org/

I was just letting Reinhard know where to find the available publications.

By the way, I am using the Google.com translation tool to make my sentences and partially translate the German passages. It does a decent job sometimes and not so well at others.
- 205.188.116.132 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 22:12:46 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Jim, I thought about using my English/German translation book but it would take me an entire weekend to write out an entire paragraph. How do I access the Google.com translation tool? Probably just type it into my search engine? Happy Friday everyone!
- 69.179.14.49 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 23:06:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hallo jeder. Ich hoffe, daB das Wochenende Sie gut ist. Informaieren Sie mich, wen diese Ubersetzung gut ist. Danke

- 69.179.14.49 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 23:11:27 (UTC)

Nancy:
How's this? Danke Jim for telling me about this translation tool.
- 69.179.14.49 - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 23:12:13 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hallo Reinhard, das ich Sie zum PZ und zum morgens begruBen mochte, die versuchen, zu sehen, wenn ich dieses Werkzeug benutzen kann, um zu ubersetzen. Froh, Sie zu treffen. Beverly

Good Lord I hope that is what I really want to say...I am trusting Google.
- 63.233.10.40 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 03:45:44 (UTC)

Sophia:
I think Google has done both Bev and Nancy a big favor. It may not be perfect but good enough to understand it. CONGRATULATIONS Ladies. Way to go!!! We learn and learn and learn some more. The journey in life.
- 209.240.245.144 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 03:50:44 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Sophia, you are right about that, life is a learning curve. Thats a Ten Four good buddie.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 04:04:24 (UTC)

Beverly :
Thanks Sophia....it was fun. I cannot wait to try this on my cousin still in Austria. She complains that her English is bad and I am so embarrassed that I cannot say anything to her but English. What a great find. Thanks Jim. Once again you reach out to help us. By the way, I am going to complain about the HEAT...we know hot here in Oklahoma. Also...I think I need a bike to go to work as gas is out of sight...and it is too hot to ride a bike!
- 63.233.10.40 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 04:19:19 (UTC)

Jim:
My only recommendation when using the translation program is to keep the sentences simple and uncomplicated. That applies for both the German to English and English to German directions.
- 152.163.100.200 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 09:59:27 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Beverly,
Ich sch�tze du hast ein �bersetzungsprogramm.Ich bin noch nicht so lange im"Gottscheer Plauderzimmer".Ich betreibe seit einiger Zeit Familienforschung.Jim war mir da sehr behilflich,da kann ich mich nur bedanken.Gruss
- 87.122.211.138 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 14:36:07 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim,ich habe mir Kopien von GHGA gezogen.Das sind 8 Seiten.Aber es sind nicht die D�rfer von Gottschee im Angebot,oder ich bin zu bl�d!
Was macht dein garden,w�chts und gedeiht?Bei uns kommt jetzt sch�nes Wetter,bis 30 Grad am Mittwoch.
- 87.122.211.138 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 14:41:25 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hy Spohia,
Wie geht es Dir?Ich habe momentan gesundheitliche Probleme.Ich bin mit sehr unzufrieden,da schimpft meine Frau wenn so rum n�rgle.
- 87.122.211.138 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 14:44:54 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Sophia,ich wei� nicht wo Plesdorf ist.In Untersteiermark?oder in Gottschee.Aber "Plesch" ist es nicht, vermute ich.Nochmals vielen Dank f�r die Bilder.
Sag mal kennst du Alfons Kump ???Ihr seit das gleiche Baujahr,zur Schule gegangen???
- 87.122.211.138 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 14:59:09 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim, hast du die Kartoffeln verkehrt rum eingepflanzt?Mu� sie alle wieder rausholen!Ha!
- 87.122.211.138 - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 15:02:11 (UTC)

Beverly:
Is he saying potatoes rum??? Vodka?
- 63.233.106.65 - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 01:07:03 (UTC)

Ridy:
Beverly �
Reinhard is making an attempt at a bit of humor in his last posting, and is using less than precise German, a.k.a. slang. That works well in conversation among equals, but tends to fall flat when you have to use a translation program, which only works with very simple, short, and precise sentences. Words which could be interpreted in more than one way or which are used incorrectly to begin with, would not automatically be corrected in the translation. The word �rum� which Reinhard used is actually slang for �herum� meaning around, and has nothing to do with the drink. The same goes for the word �rausholen�, which is actually two words, the first of which should be �heraus� . . . . .and so it goes. Translation programs can be a great help when you already have a working knowledge of a language, but they can also be a fertile source for misunderstandings. A case of buyer beware. . .

- 64.229.177.175 - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 11:06:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ridy. Long time since we corresponded. Good job on your message below. I am puzzled about his phrases too - is he writing a dialect or high German?

Hope you will have a GREAT time at the Treffen. So wish I could have come but all is not well on the home front. Enjoy a wonderful Sunday.
- 209.240.245.92 - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 15:11:03 (UTC)

Beverly:
Thanks Ridy and I figured it was something like that. I just couldn't figure it out....but I am enjoying trying. Hope you all have a good weekend.
- 63.233.11.206 - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 16:09:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Please tell me if I'm understanding these messages correctly. Is there some place to get simple German translations? I would really love to log on to that web site. Thanks.
- 64.218.109.216 - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 23:25:04 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig:
Hi Margaret,
The internet provides translation websites. Jim mentioned Google. Go to www.google.com and there is a small link to the right of where you type in searches that says language tools. Click on it and it will take you to a translation page. The GHGA has for a long time also posted a link from their website to another internet translation site called www.freetranslation.com As others have written here, please keep your text very simple, like lower grade school level writing, for it to work the best. The more complex the German is that you are reading the harder time these websites will have in translating it for you. Translating is not all cut and dried so keep in mind these are not perfect. Good luck.
- 70.245.179.47 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 00:24:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Having a problem posting=my PC is sick, I think...Have a good week everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 01:06:15 (UTC)

Nancy:
Guttenabend zu allen meine Freunde. Sieses ist ein sehr nettes ubersetzungshilfsmittel. (wow! what a word!) Ich hoffe nur, daB es sagt, was ich besagtes wunsche. Ich wartete zu lang. um airfare auf Toronto zu uberprufen. Es ist viel zu kostspielig, damit ich jetzt beachte. Fur die von Ihnen, das gehen wird, shicken Sie dem chor bitte meinen Respekt von Slovenien. Ich bin sicher, daB sie an mich sich erinnern da ich die person war, die durch ihre gesamte Leistung schrie wenn sie fur uns wahrend auf der Tour Gottschee sagen. Haben Sie eine groBe woche jeder! Mit Liebe! I thing I shall stay with English unless one of our German friends happens to be online tonight. Have a great week everyone.
- 69.179.22.137 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 01:32:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
With all of the happenings with our parents health...I waited too long to check out airfares for the Toronto Treffen. I checked today at many of the sites and fares were something like $1300.00. Sorry Ridy...I was really looking forward to meeting you! Please say hello to the Perz sisters from Glendale. They are Erma and Marie. Okay Trix? I haven't heard from you in awhile. Cousin Franz? I'll get those photos to you soon! Paul...I'll email you straight away to see if your PC is receiving. Can anyone tell me about the Linden tree and it's signigicance to Gottscheers? Interesting but I'm re-reading some classics and am currently reading "O Pioneers." It talks about Linden trees and how they contain good "spirits."
- 69.179.22.137 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 01:41:31 (UTC)

Beverly:
Lord help and keep safe our friends and family in New Orleans.
- 63.233.106.120 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 03:05:41 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy I have 3 large linden trees in my yard, so I guess I have lots of good spirits. But they are the messiest trees I have even seen. I would not cut mine down, for they shade my house, but I would not plant another one either.
- 207.200.116.12 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 03:26:58 (UTC)

Christine:
Thanks for the e-mail. Will look forward to seeing you again
when you make the trip to Las Vegas. Many new casinos have been built since we last saw you here. So give us a call when you get here. Christine
- 207.200.116.204 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 03:49:29 (UTC)

Christine:
Jim sorry I forgot to put your name in my posting. Please forgive cousin, Christine
- 207.200.116.202 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 03:51:00 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, everyone! Hope all have a great week!
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 03:58:06 (UTC)

Jim:
Christine, it will be a while before we get there. However, when we finally visit, I will certainly give you a call.

Is anyone from the chat room going to the Treffen? Ridy and I will definitely be there.
- 205.188.116.201 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 11:24:35 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nancy - good idea to stay with English......I hate to see German butchered needlessly quite that badly. . . .
Slovenians have always had a reputation for superb singing. However, I do not quite understand why a Slovenian choir is being imported from Slovenia to a Gottscheer Treffen, when we have excellent Gottscheer choirs coming from Cleveland and New York at their own expense. Actually, I am giving voice to a question I have heard from other Gottscheers, who have put the question to me. Since I am not involved in any of the planning, I don't understand the thinking behind it. Have any of our Gottscheer groups ever been invited to any Slovenian functions at the expense of Slovenians? Is this a reciprocal invitation?
- 64.229.177.175 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 12:42:49 (UTC)

frank of Vancouver:
I secound that motion Ridy!
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 16:18:08 (UTC)

Nancy:
I apologize for offending anyone. It is my understanding that the choir members who performed for us are of Gottscheer heritage but perhaps I am wrong. I guess my reaction was based on the fact that this was the first time I had ever heard these songs and they made me a bit melancholy to think that my grandparents may have enjoyed these songs as well. I am sorry. Please forgive my ignorance.
- 69.179.1.193 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 20:43:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nancy - you misinterpreted my posting entirely. What I was deploring was the inadequacy of the translation programs which are available on the internet. Unless it is necessary, I so no reason for using them in the Plauderzimmer. Since you had posted a 'translated' message, I addressed my response to you. It simply isn't a big deal.

I most certainly did not mean to address you personally with my comments regarding the Slovenian Choir which will be performing at the Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto. You were not, after all, involved in planning the program. You did raise the topic, and that reminded me of some of the questions that have been foating around, to which I have no answers. Sorry you took my remarks personally. 'nuff said.
- 64.229.177.175 - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 21:34:07 (UTC)

Nancy:
'nuff said.
- 69.179.1.193 - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 00:32:09 (UTC)

Trix:
I am happy to have the opportunity to respond to Ridy's comments and questions regarding the appearance and performance of Cantate Domino, a Slovenian Choir, at the Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto. This, like any other story, has another side to it. For those of us Gottscheers who believe in building bridges between the Gottscheers and the people of Slovenia, this is an enormous visionary undertaking and act of good will by all involved. To have Slovenians respectful of, willing to learn and proud to sing Gottscheer songs in native dialect in their public performances is remarkable. It has taken an enormous amount of work and commitment on their part. As for those of us organizing this event, I am proud to have been a part of it. When the idea was first mentioned to me by Erik Krisch, president of the Peter Kosler Verein, I was impressed by the possibilities--cooperative effort between Slovenians and Gottscheers. Erik Krisch is a dedicated, talented individual. I am very pleased to have helped in the fundraising for this event. It was an act of generosity and support for bridge building efforts. My sincere hope is that the participants at the Treffen will graciously welcome and appreciate the efforts of the Choir and the Peter Kosler Verein. Let's all hope it is a great event!
- 68.112.173.148 - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 02:46:02 (UTC)

Nancy:
The people of the gulf coast are in my thoughts and prayers. I have some relatives (on my mother's side) who live near New Orleans and I'm happy to say that they were able to get out before the flooding virtually destroyed their neighborhood. I understand that perhaps thousands were not so lucky. Please keep them in your thoughts.
- 69.179.15.37 - Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 21:19:51 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Nancy I too am thinking of them because we also lost our homes and everything so I sure can relate to what they are going through as can a lot of other Gottscheers.We were lucky enought to make it out alive but unfortunately many did not.
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, September 01, 2005 at 02:11:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Nancy and Franz-I hear you...Keep all in our prayers...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, September 01, 2005 at 14:01:57 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Yes, I hope help gets to them quicker!
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 05:42:51 (UTC)

Reinhard :
Herzliches Beileid,
an alle Betroffenen der Kastastrophe in den USA.
M�ge es nicht So schlimm kommen.
- 87.122.218.115 - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 11:11:50 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Wer kann mir sagen wie ich an das Gottscheer Gedenkbuch 1330-1947 komme.Und was der Inhalt ist?
- 87.122.218.115 - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 15:52:58 (UTC)

Nancy:
Good afternoon all. Would anyone know where Sello bei Otoviz is located? It is a village that a fellow Petschauer's grandmother was born in and I'm trying to help him trace his family. It was either located in or near Tschermoschnitz. Maria Petschauer was born there in #10 in Sept of 1857....her father's name was Johann. Thank you.
- 207.118.200.148 - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 21:07:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We wish you all a pleasant weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 22:02:25 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy..I think Sello is in the Tschernembl Parish. At least I have seen it in the Tschernembl records. I have the birth and marriage records on permanent loan at our LDS library. I can look next Wednesday when I go to the library.
- 207.200.116.204 - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 23:08:23 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you very much Marilu! I will let our fellow GHGA member, Bernie, know that you'll have a look at the records.
- 207.118.200.148 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 00:55:38 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Hallo you all how many of you know how to cook pfraum knellein I had forgoten how good they are had some today at my sisters. good weekend everyone hoping for better days for the flood victims.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 03:51:49 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Frank. Can I come for lunch? WOULD LOVE THAT and need to learn how to make them.
- 209.240.245.101 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 12:42:18 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sophia einen sch�nen Sonntag.Ich habe eine Frage an Dich.Weisst du wann der Andreas Kump aus Oberblaschowitz geboren ist und wo?Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.222.76 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 14:04:57 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Jim,hast du einen guten Tag?
Morgen sehe ich auf dem Gottscheertreffen,Frau Schager geborene Maria Schmuck aus Steinwand.Soll ich ihr was ausrichten?Sie ist die Vorsitzende von Germany/Nord,West. Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.222.76 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 14:15:01 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim Weisst du was von Franz Kump geboren Juni25.1893 in Neuberg49?Ich sehe keine Verbindung.Kinder?Residence?
Danke!!! Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.222.76 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 14:18:58 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia well yes I would love to invite you for some knellein exept that it is my sister who is the cook but I am sure she would willing to share her recepies with you .Did your mother make those as well?
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 14:49:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello franz..My sister-in-law used to make them..If her daughter-my niece, gives me the receipe-I will publish it right away..Now, my guess is that there will be many receipes ( in various ways) posted by many Plauderzimmerers in the very near future!!You'll see... Enjoy the weekend everyone, but keep up the prayers for those less fortunate than us.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 17:41:25 (UTC)

Beverly:
What is knellein?
- 63.233.8.94 - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 23:16:41 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Knellein,Das k�nnte was zu essen sein!?
- 87.122.222.76 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 00:03:03 (UTC)

Sophia:
Knellein are dumplings - all kinds of them. Here we are talking about plumb dumplings - a very common Gottscheer and Austrian food.
- 216.251.169.139 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 00:09:28 (UTC)

Nancy:
My grandmother, father, then I make dumplings with bread, onions, potatoes, ect....we used to call them cannon balls. Are these a type of knellein? Remember...I am the one who was making kaiserschmarren all of these years and never knew what it was called until I discovered my Gottscheer heritage. Plumb dumplings sound wonderful. Anyone have a recipe for spatzle?....what I really loved (and wished I had paid more attention when we made it of the trip) was cream strudel! It was heavenly!
- 207.118.202.94 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 00:28:16 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Nancy as Sophia said we are talking about plum dumplings because its plum season and my sister has a plum tree in her back yard and so do I so she makes knellein for us each year, she also makes spatzle so maybe we can talk her into putting her receipes on the PZ. I am not sure if I know what cream strudel is but it sounds good.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 02:10:29 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well I wonder if the dumplings I make when I make soup qualify?? Flour, egg salt and chicken stock if chicken soup or beef stock if beef soup? I keep thinking my grandma called them ribles or riblies...is that just a kid hearing the wrong word? or is there a word like that for what I describe?
- 63.233.8.79 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 02:12:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
See what we started..I hope to have the receipe by tomorrow. And since I am a GBM, i might mention that they are made with the small ITALIAN plums....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 03:15:36 (UTC)

Sophia:
Bev - I am thinking you might be talking about grated noodle dough which we call Ugeriebenes or Riebenes. It is one of my favorites and I make it often. You are right, you make a dough with eggs, flour, salt and if needed a little bit of water. You knead the dough until smooth, let it sit a bit then grind it. I always spread mine on a table cloth and it dry hard. Then I bring the broth to a boil, add the Ugeriebenes and cook slowly until dine. DELICIOUS. Like I said one of my favorites. Now, Bev, does any of this sound familiar to you?

Yes, Paul, Italian plums are perfect not only for cooking but eating too.
- 216.251.169.139 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 03:24:36 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Nancy your canon balls we call broad bread] knellein. Beverly what I think you make and put in chicken soup is delicious that would be a type of spatzel everybody seems to make them a little different my nephew calls it bumpies. Reinhard knellein sind eigentlich knedel es gibt ferschidene knedel brot ,kartoffel pfraum ausgerollte,loeffel[ spoon]] und so weiter.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 03:31:36 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Paul you are right Italian prune plums are the best, the sad part is that the plum trees in our area all get that desease it is kind of a growth on the branches sort of a tree cancer and the tree lasts only a few years I cut the cancer out every year I use bleach to disinfect the knife und the cut but still it grows.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 03:39:03 (UTC)

Marilu:
I make vegetable beef soup with the little egg dumplings, what we call egg noodles, drop them in the hot soup from a spoon. One of my kids and grandkids favorite foods.
- 207.200.116.139 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 04:20:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Stop-You guys are making me hungrich-and it is 12:40 A.M. here, and if I eat now, I will be up all nite
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 04:42:23 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Just one thing missing from that knellein recipe (cannon balls, very appropriate name!) ... cooked bits of bacon. Serve with gravy.
- 67.186.39.223 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 13:35:04 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sophia,
war gerade auf Gottscheertreff in Solingen.30 Gottscheer waren da und FRau Schager.Die Zeit ist regelrecht vergangen.
Habe deine Bilder gezeigt. Gr�sse
- 87.122.200.40 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 14:38:29 (UTC)

Sophia`:
I am thinking of all the Gottscheers who are gathered at the North American Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto. Hope they are enjoying every moment of this marvelous annual celebration. Am looking forward to hearing all about it this evening. Danke.

Reinhard, Frau Schager ist eine sehr nette and gescheite Gottscheerin. Bin froh da� Du sie getroffen hast.
- 216.251.169.43 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 17:31:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I have got to tell you this..Here I am a GBM, as you all know by now. And I am waiting for the receipe for the pfraum knellein from my niece, so I can show it off on the PZ...And what do you think my Gottscheer amore is doing?? She is baking a sicilian Ziti!!!!!! GO FIGURE!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 19:02:59 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
OK Paul you had betterexplain what that is never heard that term before thanks inadvance.
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 19:17:04 (UTC)

Beverly:
Yes Sophia...the Riebenes! That must be the word I am trying to pronounce!It makes sense for the Riblies" I heard.
Thanks. SOOOOOOOOOO Paul....how is that Ziti made?? :0)
- 63.233.8.26 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 22:09:04 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Good evening. Will leave a short, early message. Can't quite believe the depth of the trouble in the Gulf coast.
Who would have thought such a thing could happen in the US.
AUf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 66.140.92.8 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 23:56:01 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Helmuth,
Cannonballs! Remember them well. Both my grandmothers made them. Better not swim too quickly after eating one!
Some were made of raw potatoes. Some from cooked potatoes.
The raw ones took all day to prepare.
- 66.140.92.8 - Sunday, September 04, 2005 at 23:58:06 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks everyone for these great food ideas! I'll be shopping tomorrow for ingredients! Margaret...you are SO right about not eating those cannonballs before swimming! They stay with you a long, long time!
- 207.118.220.181 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 01:01:19 (UTC)

Nancy:
Franz....Paul's reference to "GBM" only means that he's "Gottschee By Marriage." Isn't it brilliant?
- 207.118.220.181 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 01:05:58 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Thank you Nancy for the info on GBM althoug I was aware of the term . What I was asking was to tell us about ZITI and so far nothing, Paul where are you. Cheers for now .
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 03:13:58 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, everone. Interesting about the knelein. Here's another one. Gries knelein, you melt a bit of butter maybe 2 tbsp. don't let the butter get to warm. Then you beat and egg or 2 into the butter and then you add farina or cream of wheeat, til you can form a small ball with a tsp.
of a 1/2 tsp. and drop into boiling flavoured broth, (chicken is my favourite, especially on a cold day,) and cook for 20 to 30 min. you can also add parsley to the dumpling dough. If the dumplings are to hard you have let the butter get to warm and the egg hardens them.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 03:15:57 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Actually the potato dumplings are easy to make now a days.
If you have an electric juicer perfect. You grind up the raw potato as you would be making potao juice, then you take out the potato pulp and add some of the potato juice so the pulp is not to dry and add an egg or two to this pulp and some flour to bind the dumplings up also put in some crispy bacon bits we use scrunchings (chunks of fat fried up til you haave only scrispy bits) then you form the dumplings to size of a tennis ball and put into boiling water and cook til done or come to the top.
These potato dumplings are also good the next day, slice them up and put them into scrambled eggs.
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 03:24:09 (UTC)

Sophia:
Thank you much for the recipes Regina. Appreciate them. Hope all of you will have a great week.
- 209.240.245.105 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 03:44:15 (UTC)

Sophia in Minnesota:
Thank you much for the recipes Regina. Appreciate them. Hope all of you will have a great week.
- 209.240.245.105 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 03:44:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HI-Just got in from our last(actually it was our first) back yard/porch summer blow out...The sicilian baked ziti made a big hit with everyone.But it is almost mid-nite here, and i still have some cleaning up to do so I will bid you all a good night and a great week ahead,Talk about the Ziti another time....ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz......
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 03:53:40 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sophia,
Habe ein wenig �ber meine Famlilie erfahren.
Es war sehr Lustig.Du wei�t ja ,das mich alles intressiert von Gottschee und den Kumps from Neuberg42-50.Thanks
- 87.122.200.40 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 07:13:19 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Happy Labor Day to you all. Hope you are enjoying whatever you are doing.
The message below comes from Reinhard Kump who live in Germany. He has his Gottscheer connections to the village of Neuberg by Tschermoschnitz. He recently became aware of this fact and, of course, is as excited as the rest of us have been for years. On Saturday he attended a mini Gottscheer reunion in Solingen, Germany organized by Maria Schager, President of one of the Gottscheer Clubs in Germany who also lived in Neuberg. He writes:

Hi Sophia. I learned a little about my family. It was a very good time there. You know that everything about Gottschee and the Kumps (his family) from Neuberg interests me.
- 209.240.245.168 - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 14:36:29 (UTC)

:

- 205.188.116.197 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:10:58 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hi Sophia. I learned a little about my family. It was a very good time there. You know that everything about Gottschee and the Kumps (his family) from Neuberg interests me.
- 205.188.117.74 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:22:40 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
It is most gratifying that there are Gottscheer who not only talk about building bridges but actually do it. Erik Krisch is one of those and so is Sophia who defends her involvement in bringing a Slovenian Choir to the Treffen in Toronto with eloquence rarely heard from a Gottscheer. Backing up his belief with deeds, Erik and his Peter Kosler Verein courageously pulled out of the Arbeitsgemeinschaft in Klagenfurt on April 23, 2005, because they came to realize that the AG policy was contrary to their objectives of healing and cooperation. This in spite of the repeated claims by AG they are Christians. (But Christians do not insist on �reciprocal acts�!)

When will the GHGA and other members realize this and act accordingly?

- 205.188.116.74 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:33:20 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
It was a great pleasure to read the response of Sophia Stalzer-Wyant to comments from Ridy Hoegler Skyrme who questions (and echo�s others) in her entry of August 29, the appearance of a Slovenian Choir at the Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto. �I don't understand the thinking behind it. Have any of our Gottscheer groups ever been invited to any Slovenian functions at the expense of Slovenians? Is this a reciprocal invitation�?

The heartwarming reply from Sophia is worth repeating for those who may have missed reading it, or on first reading failed to grasp its incredibly humanistic message. She writes:

�I am happy to have the opportunity to respond to Ridy's comments and questions regarding the appearance and performance of Cantate Domino, a Slovenian Choir, at the Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto.

This, like any other story, has another side to it. For those of us Gottscheers who believe in building bridges between the Gottscheers and the people of Slovenia, this is an enormous visionary undertaking and act of good will by all involved. To have Slovenians respectful of, willing to learn and proud to sing Gottscheer songs in native dialect in their public performances is remarkable.

- 205.188.116.198 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:35:27 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
It has taken an enormous amount of work and commitment on their part. As for those of us organizing this event, I am proud to have been a part of it. When the idea was first mentioned to me by Erik Krisch, president of the Peter Kosler Verein, I was impressed by the possibilities--cooperative effort between Slovenians and Gottscheers. Erik Krisch is a dedicated, talented individual. I am very pleased to have helped in the fundraising for this event. It was an act of generosity and support for bridge building efforts. My sincere hope is that the participants at the Treffen will graciously welcome and appreciate the efforts of the Choir and the Peter Kosler Verein. Let's all hope it is a great event�!

- 205.188.116.202 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:46:37 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
It was a great pleasure to read the response of Sophia Stalzer-Wyant in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer on August 29, 2005 to comments from Ridy Hoegler Skyrme who questions (and echo�s others) in her entry of August 29, the appearance of a Slovenian Choir at the Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto. �I don't understand the thinking behind it. Have any of our Gottscheer groups ever been invited to any Slovenian functions at the expense of Slovenians? Is this a reciprocal invitation�?

The heartwarming reply from Sophia is worth repeating for those who may have missed reading it, or on first reading failed to grasp its incredibly humanistic message. She writes:

�I am happy to have the opportunity to respond to Ridy's comments and questions regarding the appearance and performance of Cantate Domino, a Slovenian Choir, at the Gottscheer Treffen in Toronto.

This, like any other story, has another side to it. For those of us Gottscheers who believe in building bridges between the Gottscheers and the people of Slovenia, this is an enormous visionary undertaking and act of good will by all involved. To have Slovenians respectful of, willing to learn and proud to sing Gottscheer songs in native dialect in their public performances is remarkable.

- 205.188.116.136 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:48:00 (UTC)

:

- 205.188.116.132 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 21:29:10 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Skip the third of four entries. "It was a great pleasure...". It is an accidental repeat.
- 205.188.116.74 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 21:33:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ok this goes to any handyman/woman out there. Does anyone have a pattern for building a keg for a Saint Bernard dog? I want to try and make one for my pup. You can email at ownsadurango@yahoo.ca

- 209.91.128.36 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 22:16:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I attended the Treffen and had a very nice conversation with Mr. Krisch after the mass. He is a very nice gentleman. Mr. Krisch expressed great appreciation to the GHGA and Sophie for their support and efforts in funding the choir's trip. Everyone who attended the Treffen greeted the choir with warmth and appreciation for their fine singing.

Concerning the prior exchange between Sophia and Ridy, I think it is a matter of friends exchanging points of view and I am glad they feel comfortable enough to share them in the chatroom.
- 64.12.117.12 - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 22:22:19 (UTC)

Nancy:
I feel I should say something as well. This choir performed for those of us who were on the Gottschee Tour this past Spring. They were a wonderful group on young people. In my ignorance, I assumed they were of Gottscheer heritage. Finding them of Slovenian heritage makes their efforts to "entertain" us all the more special. My grandparents were not forced to leave their homeland and I do not assume to know what any of the Gottscheers who were forced to leave have been through. I understand that wrongs were done to both sides in those times and Trix is correct...we need to see past the "sins of the father" and build bridges of hope and a shared love of a most cherished homeland. I enjoy listening to the CD made by this choir and purchased during our visit. I am sorry to have missed their visit to Toronto. Good turn out?
- 69.179.16.65 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 02:10:07 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Hi Marilu,your question was if I remember right.
You would like to know where the Village of Sello is located. If you are fortunate to have a Land and road map of the GHGA I could show you the location Sello, It is only 2.kilomers southeast of Werschitz Vricice. It war right on the line of Slovenian and Gottscheer teritories.
The children went to school to Wertschitz, they have been Slovenians but they did speck and understand gottscheerisch
those kids.
I hope , and het fulfilled your curiosity Ted

- 80.128.221.130 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 11:51:06 (UTC)

Marilu:
Hi Ted
I have a map that shows me the location of Otovec, so I assume Sello is close, as the town is listed as Sello by Otovec in the records. Would this be correct? Thank you for you information about the children and the language they spoke. I find all of this information very interesting. Individuals from this area came to Clinton County, Iowa, an area where some of my ancestors also settled. I am also checking the records for other people.
- 207.200.116.73 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 12:39:49 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Thank you Ted Meditz for your message regarding the village of Sela. I immediatly went to my map of Kocevsko, printed by the Office of the Slovenian Tourism about 7 or 8 years and sure enough the village is exactly where you said it was. It IS right on the border with the former Gottscheer region and therefore very possible that a Mrs. Petschauer lived there. Am sending copies of the same to the interested parties. Danke Ted Meditz.
- 216.251.169.19 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 12:42:14 (UTC)

Christine:
Would someone please tell me which Mrs. Petschauer you are talking about? Thank you!
- 207.200.116.5 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 19:25:53 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Christine, Mrs Petschauer is Maria Petschauer of #10. Fellow GHGA member, Bernie, is grandson to Maria and is searching for information. Maria was the daughter of Johann Petschauer and Katharina Kerstinc/or Kerstinz. Barry D. has found marriage information on 2 of Maria's brothers. Maria herself married a Johann Filp (or something like that.) Anyway, I'm hoping to be of some help to Bernie. Beverly...was that you who was having a look at the Tschernembl films today? Any luck?
- 69.179.28.157 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 22:02:42 (UTC)

Nancy:
Marilu, I also had relatives settle in Iowa...a sister and brother-in-law of my great grandfather settled in Jefferson Township. My grandfather and siblings were also there for awhile (in Guttenburg) before settling in St Paul. How might I find records in Iowa?
- 69.179.28.157 - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 22:21:57 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy
I have copies of Maria Petschauer's birth records. Where would you like me to mail them.
- 207.200.116.5 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:22:17 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy I also had relatives in Guttenburg. I think it was a Petsche family.
- 207.200.116.8 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:25:13 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thank you so very much Marilu! You can send them to me at snancy@centurytel.net My family, some of whom passed through and some who settled there, were Petschauers. Any tips on getting birth, death, or marriage certificates from Iowa? I do have an address for the great-great uncle who settled there. It's from a very early census but could help. Again...many thanks!
- 69.179.28.157 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:32:08 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy What kind of records are you looking for. Different counties have different things available online. I have never done any reserach in that area yet, so I don't know what they have.
- 207.200.116.132 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:36:27 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy, I want a snail mail address for these records. I think they would take too long to upload and do online. I have a dial connection.
- 207.200.116.197 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:38:13 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy my email is marilu1030@aol.com. Send me your snail mail address there.
- 207.200.116.8 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:39:09 (UTC)

Nancy:
Do you have the most recent membership list?
- 69.179.28.157 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:39:47 (UTC)

Nancy:
right! I'll email you right away. Danke
- 69.179.28.157 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:40:21 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy I have done most of my reseach in Iowa by ordering microfilm with the records on it. LDS has tons of records on microfilm.
- 207.200.116.12 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:40:55 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Marilu. I hadn't thought to research at the LDS for U.S. stats. Do the films contain births, deaths, and marriages? Looks like my saturdays may be spent at the LDS for another stretch of time. Danke for all of your help!
- 69.179.28.157 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:47:04 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy
There again it is different for every location. Clinton County and Scott county have lots on microfilm. So does Carroll County. Other counties have little.
- 207.200.116.133 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:56:07 (UTC)

Nancy:
Do you happen to know which county Guttenburg was located in? Or Jefferson Township?
- 69.179.28.157 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 02:57:45 (UTC)

Marilu:
Guttenburg is in Clayton County.
- 207.200.116.136 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 03:10:24 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Marilu! Goodnight all. Franz in Vancouver...Gary is flattered that you like his "new" '37 Chevy...it made his day!
- 69.179.28.157 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 03:15:05 (UTC)

Christine:
With all the nit picking that has been going on the last few days and being a member of a family who was forced to leave their homeland and had babies starved to death young men shot and tortured , I really must consider if I want to
continue to be a member of such a group. My priest always
said" Let he who be without sin cast the first stone. I do not see brotherhood here.
- 207.200.116.68 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 03:54:00 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Christine, please write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. I would truly appreciate it.
- 209.240.245.173 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 04:28:16 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Liebe Gottscheer,
Franc Krize/Franz Krische? ausgewandert nach Canada und zur�ckgegangen nach Gottschee(Krapferln)Obcice.
Wer wei� was???
- 87.122.204.155 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 06:46:10 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Ich bin Fan von Lojzeta Slaka ,wer hat VHS Kassetten von der Slowenischen Gruppe?
- 87.122.204.155 - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 11:25:55 (UTC)

Frank:
I just want to say that I attended the Treffen in Toronto,and I was pleasantly surprised by the Slovenian group Cantate Domino.With heart felt warmth I truly enjoyed there singing and was deeply impressed.Slovenian's singing our old songs.I was born after WW2 in Austria, and I lost five immediate family members during the war.My granparents died within days of being released from Sternthal.Yet, I hold no ill will torward the Slovenian people.A lot of good people suffered on both sides.
- 12.75.137.215 - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 02:27:53 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Sophia that is not me, must be another Frank. as you know I was born in Tschermoschnitz before WW2.
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 03:16:38 (UTC)

Sophia:
I bet that is Chicago Franz. Sorry. Yes I do know that you were born before WWII. Nicht gut Sophia.
- 216.251.169.175 - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 03:47:47 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Sophia,da kann ich nur staunen.Das Du viel weisst!!
Hab dir eine mail geschickt.Frage ,hat der Roman Internet?Vielen Dank f�r die Infos. Reini
- 87.122.200.104 - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 18:12:15 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Sophia kennst du den Dolensk,Lojzeta Slaka?Hat eine Homepage mit musikalischer Kostprobe,kann nur empfehlen.Er hat eine Tournee durch die USA gemacht .Die Leute waren begeistert.Echt Toll!!!
- 87.122.200.104 - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 18:16:26 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, Reinhard, there is a Emil Jozef Krese in Kocevje, maybe probably spelled the Slovenian way.
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 23:38:53 (UTC)

Reinhard:
I am wishes all Gottscheers a good sunday!!
- 87.122.207.11 - Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 06:56:30 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Regina,
Ich habe schon Info von Krize.Thanks Regina!
- 87.122.207.11 - Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 14:39:20 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Reinhard: Leider hat Roman kein e-mail.

Or

Reinhard, I am sorry but Roman does not have e-mail. (Roman lives in the Moschnitze area of the former Gottschee.)
- 209.240.237.141 - Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 21:15:04 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Will leave an early message, must tidy up a few things and watch some football. My Tante Leni Jonke is in re-hab. We would appreciate prayers. Very warm in KC. Surely fall will bring relief. Fargo was 90 yesterday. Global warming , I guess.
- 66.140.92.47 - Sunday, September 11, 2005 at 23:16:40 (UTC)

Nancy:
Early entry for me too. Margaret, we'll keep your Tante Leni in our thoughts. Marilu, I've posted a few queires on Genweb/Iowa. I did hear back from one gentlman who sounds promising. Very hot here today! Going downstairs now where it's cooler. Goodnight all and have a great week.
- 69.179.16.139 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 00:21:43 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy did you post on the website for Clayton County?
- 207.200.116.203 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 00:45:55 (UTC)

John Herbst:
Hi Everyone,
Just peeking in to see how everyone is.

Sophia: Thanks for the nice photos of Slovenia. Our family really enjoyed them. Sorry I haven't thanked you earlier.

- 206.38.33.6 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 02:42:28 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Hi John. You are most welcome. Hope everything is fine with you and yours.
Have a good week.
- 209.240.245.162 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 03:23:05 (UTC)

Sophia:
Can anyone tell me how to find the messages that are posted in here either 2 or 3 pages ago? It seems I have no clue and yet must have done it once or twice before.
Thanks.
- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 12:59:10 (UTC)

:
you just click onthe name plauderzimmer log on the top lef hand conerof this page
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 13:45:56 (UTC)

Sophia:
Thank you for your help. I did that earlier but the pages that I am looking for are not there. Any other thought?
- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 13:51:47 (UTC)

Marilu:
Trix
chick on plauderzimmer log, and then press contol end buttons and it will take you to the bottomo of the log, then scroll up to find the messages that you want.
- 207.200.116.198 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 14:00:56 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Hi Sophia, depends on how far back you want to view. On the log pages the order of the messages is reversed (newest on the bottom, instead of the top).

The last 6 months are so are on the first page you reach when you click the "plauderzimmer log" link. For entries before that, look at the top of that page.

Once you are on the proper page, you can you use your browser's "find" option to look for a particular word, person, or phrase.

- 170.201.180.33 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 14:02:08 (UTC)

Sophia:
Got it. Thank you Helmuth and Marilu. Appreciate it.
- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, September 12, 2005 at 15:02:53 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hello everyone. Just back from vacation and noted that some folks were talking about trying to find Iowa info...if you have not discovered it...go to iagenweb.org

it is an excellent source. Hope it helps.

I wish you all could see Guttenburg Iowa in the Fall...the leaves leave you begging for sunglasses, the Bald Eagles are everywhere and the mighty Mississippi is magnificent...is it Heaven? or Iowa. :0)
- 63.233.11.99 - Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 02:27:22 (UTC)

Marilu:
Beverly
Actually Nancy and I did some emailing about information in Iowa. I have been using genweb for years and have found people on those web sites to be very helpful.
- 207.200.116.199 - Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 13:33:48 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello Beverly, You're from Iowa too? Many Petschauers passed through Guttenburg before settling in St Paul! I have several old studio photos is the origianl paper frames with Guttenburg embossed on them. I'm currently searching for the Petschauers who actually settled there, Joseph and Margaret. Have found info on at least 1 daughter born to them (Frances) who married one Anton Dorweiler and settled on a farm in Jefferson Township, sections 8 & 9 about 2+ miles E/NE of Guttenburg. I'd like to find out what happened to this couple and their family. Margaretha was the sister of my great great grandfather. As far as I can tell, her husband, Josef,was the first of my family to immigrate. It's exciting stuff! Happy rest of the week everyone.
- 207.118.209.71 - Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 22:37:41 (UTC)

Marilu:
Some of my Petsche family lived in Guttenberg also. I have pictures of a couple of them too.
- 207.200.116.9 - Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 00:52:53 (UTC)

Beverly:
Nancy, Yes I am from Iowa. Dyersville to be exact...20 miles west of Dubuque. We used to take Sunday drives to Guttenburg...it was the thing to do on weekends. I do not know if you have seen the town but it is really one of the most beautiful towns in Iowa. There was a fish hatchery there...that must sound so boring to young people but it was exciting to go and feed the fish. Also there was a button factory and I used to be just amazed at the shells with such perfect circles cut out of them....I can not tell you how many my grandparents let me drag home! The river and the bluffs were/are so pretty. My dad took me fishing there all the time...Mississippi catfish. We would go up and go to a very early Mass that would be the shortest when the fish were biting...Father could say Mass in 20 minutes and that included Communion! What I would give for 20 minutes of that again! Fishing with my dad...
- 63.233.8.150 - Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 03:30:39 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sophia,hoffentlich geht es Dir gut.
Ich Gr�sse alle Gottscheer.

- 87.122.192.221 - Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 15:34:48 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Sofie,bei mir in der N�he wohnt ein Johann Kump aus Stalldorf,ist in P�llandl zur Schule gegangen.1933geboren.
Habe das nicht gewusst, das er hier in Essen wohnt.
- 87.122.192.221 - Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 15:39:14 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks Beverly for your wonderful description of Iowa! I have never been there but have thought of seeing it during the fall color! I wanted to find more information on my family connection to the place before going there but can't wait forever. I too attended early mass with my dad (5 a.m. !) at the Chruch of the Assumption in St Paul. It wasn't our home parish but we went there because it was nice and early and lasted only about 20 minutes too. I think most of the attendees were on their way to work or on their way home after a long night out! Then we'd hit the bakery where the wonderful douhnuts were still warm. This is the one day a week that my father allowed me a cup of coffee with plenty of milk! You're right...what I wouldn't give to have such a simple pleasure with my dad again!
- 69.179.3.229 - Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 23:25:04 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Liebe Sofie,habe eine mail geschickt.Maridi habe ich auch eine geschickt,aber Sie hat Angst.Hat nicht geantwortet!Kussi!!
- 87.122.205.229 - Saturday, September 17, 2005 at 14:22:36 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard: Geduld, Geduld, Geduld.
- 216.251.169.35 - Saturday, September 17, 2005 at 16:17:36 (UTC)

Nancy:
What's this about Maridi? Hello everyone.
- 207.118.207.187 - Sunday, September 18, 2005 at 23:59:23 (UTC)

Jim:
Good evening to everyone. It was a beautiful day in the northeast. Concerning Iowa, I had two grandaunts and their families move to Iowa from Gottschee. They settled in the Dubuque area. Is that near Guttenberg? I believe one stayed in Iowa (the Kaisers --- may have Zeiser in the old country). The other moved to Wisconsin in the Milwaukee area (Gorsche).
- 152.163.101.8 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 00:50:56 (UTC)

Nancy:
I've made up my mind to drive to Guttenburg, Iowa before the snow flies! According to MapQuest...it's less than 4 hours away and follows the Mississippi all the way down so it should be quite a nice drive. I believe the records I want are in Elkader...not sure how far that is from Guttenburg. Welcomed an email from a newly discovered Petschauer relative lastnight! We've been invited to a "family reuniion" this coming Saturday. Sending the PZ link to her right now. WELCOME!
- 207.118.207.187 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 01:15:18 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi everyone...yes! Guttenburg is about 35 miles north of Dubuque....and Elkader is about 20 miles northwest of Guttenburg. There is also the most wonderful old world pancake/waffle house in Guttenburg...all homemade and do you think I can remember the name!? Just ask anyone and they will tell you. It sits on the Mississippi and actually has quite a view of the river. I was born and raised in Iowa and it is a good place to raise kids and grow up and is just chuck full of good people. Many Gottchee settled there and I am trying to let them know one by one about the wonderful heritage that they may not know about...I did not know a thing til I started checking. Nancy you will enjoy the trip along the Mississippi and especially if you go in the Fall. I remember as a kid thinking that the people that made the JC Penney's catalog surely must have camped out in Guttenburg to duplicate the colors that they were showing that season! Haha....a kid's thoughts! Iowa....if you want to see it....go rent "Field of Dreams" that IS my home town of Dyersville and that is just a little piece of heaven
- 63.233.11.226 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 02:37:04 (UTC)

Marilu:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~iaclinto/places/waterford/browns.htm
This link will take you a site that has many Gottscheers in Clinton County, Iowa listed.
- 207.200.116.73 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 04:13:56 (UTC)

Sophia:
Nancy, basically what Reinhard is telling me that he wrote to Maridi and has not heard. He seems impatient and I am telling him patience, patience, patience.
- 216.251.169.161 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 04:49:29 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Guten Tag liebe Gottscheer.Ich bin wieder da.
Gr�sse dich Jim,hab dich schon vermisst.
Und Sophia wie war der Apfelstrudel?Sicher lecker.Kussi
- 87.122.228.171 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 17:19:45 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard say:
Good Day dear Gottcheers. Here I am again.
Greeting Jim. I have missed you.
And Sophia, how was your Apple Strudel? I am sure nummy (my word). Kiss.

Reinhard: Mein Apfel Strudel was ausgezeichnet und brachte $270.00 f�r eine gro�en Teller voll. Wir hatten eine sehr gute Zeit.

Reinhard: My apple strudle was very good. It brought $270.00 for a big platter full. We had a very nice time (evening).

Now you are up to date with Reinhard. I think we need to teach him English.

Reinhard Du mu�t English lernen.! Wir helfen Dir gerne dabei.
- 209.240.237.175 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 18:23:02 (UTC)

Nancy:
Thanks so much for the translation Trix! $270.00? I wish I made so fine a strudel! Okay all Iowa natives...where is Clinton Sac? There were many Petschauers there as well. I'll check out the Rootsweb site...I've only tried Genweb lately. Beverly, your description of Guttenburg is wonderful and my husband just loves pancakes so I may just get him to make the trip with me...perhaps on the Harley!
- 69.179.1.152 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 22:02:43 (UTC)

Marilu:
Nancy there is a Clinton County and a Sac County in Iowa. Is that what you mean?
- 207.200.116.71 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 22:41:33 (UTC)

Nancy:
I don't know. I'll have to look into it again but thanks...I'll keep you posted.
- 69.179.20.238 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 23:17:11 (UTC)

Nancy:
Beverly...two cafes are on the Mississippi River waterfromt. The Mississippi Cafe and the Picket Fence Cafe. Either one ring a bell?
- 69.179.20.238 - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 23:32:20 (UTC)

Beverly:
Nancy I will have to give my mom a call and ask her the name of the cafe...I keep thinking Bavarian Waffle House but then I may just have that kind of thing in my head. I will tell you this...the apple pancake was to die for! Too late tonight or I would call now. My question was the same as Marilu...were you talking counties when referring to Sac or Clinton? Sac county is somewhere near the center of IOwa I think. I also would like to have the recipe for that strudel...sounds awesome.
- 63.233.10.214 - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 03:52:16 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Liebe Sofie,
ich alter Sack soll noch english lernen?Hab,ne bessere Idee,ich lerne �uch das "DEUTSCH".Was meinst Du?Ist doch mal was anderes!Kussi Reini!!!
- 87.122.228.235 - Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 15:45:01 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard's message:

This old bag should learn English. I have a better idea - I will teach you (meaning the group) German. What do you think? It is different.
- 209.240.245.150 - Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 16:41:22 (UTC)

Beverly:
Nancy...I called my mom and can you believe we both cannot remember the name but she did say that if you would ask anyone they will know where to send you. It is in an old brick 2 story building with the top floor being the breakfast place. It sits right on the Mississippi and you can watch the eagles flying to and from the timbers on the Illinois side. Wish I could be of more help.
- 63.233.86.155 - Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 22:56:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Sounds lovely! As for the strudel...Sophia is the expert in that department! My last attempt fell apart while baking.
- 207.118.202.229 - Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 23:21:59 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sofie,Frage:Besitzt du eine Kopie "DasTotengedenkbuch der Gottscheer"?
Die Namen sind in Maria Trost Gedenkst�tte in Austria,auf Tafeln verewigt.Kussi Reini
- 87.122.234.122 - Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 16:06:03 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard wants to know if I have a copy of the book containing the names of the deceased Gottscheers whose names appear in the Gottscheer Gedenkst�tte in Graz. I do not.

Reinhard - leider nicht. Aber ich denke Du kannst an Kurt G�bl schreiber. Er kann Dir sicher helfen.

Reinhard, I do not but you can write to Kurt G�bl (President of the Gottscheer Group in Graz). No doubt he can help you.
- 209.240.245.74 - Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 16:52:47 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I think learning or relearning some German is a good idea. It is good to practice. Reinhard, can you keep the sentences short and uncomplicated? This would be helpful.

Ich denke, da� etwas Deutschen erlernend oder wieder zu lernen eine gute Idee ist. Zu �ben ist gut. Reinhard, k�nnen Sie die S�tze kurz und unkompliziert halten? Dieses w�rde n�tzlich sein.
- 205.188.117.67 - Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 22:27:01 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good for you Jim. Three cheers! I find I don't get enough practice and am loosing some of my German/Gottscheerish. Since my mother passed away in December I really do not have anyone to talk to with anymore, my neice and granddaughter speak it but they are not around that much as my neice lives in New York and my granddaughter flits around the world, she is in Peru right now and has traded her German for Spanish
- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, September 23, 2005 at 02:13:32 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Good morning Dear Gottscheers,
Iam surching the Book of Gottscheers"Totengedenkbuch"!
This Book have 255 Side and is handwrite.
The Book have ca.1000 names(gootscheers)is Dead in the War1939-1948.The names was in Gottscheer Zeitung begin Nov.1985-Okt.1987. Daer Reinhard
- 87.122.234.122 - Friday, September 23, 2005 at 07:12:58 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Jim,I hope your are is Very Good.
Iam looking for Information from the Gottscheers.I have many papers.I think makes a Pause.Dear Reinhard
- 87.122.234.122 - Friday, September 23, 2005 at 07:18:04 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim,Ich werde mich kurz in den S�tzen fassen ,wenn es hilfreich ist.
- 87.122.217.76 - Friday, September 23, 2005 at 17:58:28 (UTC)

Jim H:
Reinhard,
Zu h�ren ist gut, von Ihnen. Ich hoffe Sie Entdeckung nach die Informationen, die Sie suchen.

It is good to hear from you. I hope you find the information you are looking for.

Es gibt eine gro�e Menge gesammelte Informationen, aber zu finden ist hart.

There is a great amount of collected information but it is hard to find.

To my fellow chatroomers, I continue to use the translation program for my sentences. For those that are fluent in German, my sincerest apologies. I can read German better than I can write it as long as it is kept short.
- 205.188.117.10 - Friday, September 23, 2005 at 23:27:17 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Jim du hast Recht.Die richtigen Informationen sind schwer zu finden.Ich bin aber hartn�ckig.Man mu� auch ein wenig Fuchs sein.
- 87.122.217.76 - Saturday, September 24, 2005 at 10:47:21 (UTC)

Nancy:
An early entry tonight. My computer has been acting funny today. Went to a Petschauer open house in Chisago, MN yesterday. It was wonderful to meet family I had never met before. Spent most of the day trying to help identify old photos...one was of my great grandfather! Trix...I believe you may have known my great uncle Johann Petschauer? He died in 1974 at the age of 100! He died the day before I was to interview him for a highschool history magazine...he had so many photos! Jim...There wasn't much time to compile his branch of the family so I'll send it as I get it from Wendy or her father Tom. I wish everyone a great week. My great nephew is having a kidney removed on Tuesday (15 years old) and your thoughts are appreciated.
- 69.179.25.120 - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 00:18:28 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Glad to say my Tante Leni will come home from re-hab on Saturday. She has been progressing well. Thank you for all of your prayers.
- 66.140.92.5 - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 01:23:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Margaret-Glad to hear your Tante is coming along-we will keep her in our prayers...And Nancy your youmg nephew will also be in our prayers,,,,I wish you all a food week..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 04:24:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
PLEASE EXCUSE THE MIS=SPELLED WORDS-IT'S KIND OF LATE HERE AND I AM VERY TIRED TONITE....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 04:26:36 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sofie,von wenn wurden die Gottscheer verurteilt??Wehrmacht??Partisanen?
Sofie mich interssieren Gefangenenlisten der lager der partisanen.Teharje,T�ffern,u.s.w.Ich habe ein Teil des Totengedenkbuchs,aus der Gottscheer Zeiting.Ist zwar nicht vollst�ndig aber man hat ein guten �berblick.M�sste mal aktualisiert werden.Hast du die Ausgaben von Okt.1985-NOV.1987.da ist das buch abgedruckt.Gottscheer Zeitung!!!Gruss Reinhard und nat�rlich mit Kussi.
- 87.122.217.244 - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 17:15:55 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
So viel kussi da Rinhard wir sind das nicht gew�hnt.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 22:48:30 (UTC)

Sophia:
Reinhard, Franz hat richtig - Lieber nur schreiben Danke und nicht Kussi.
- 216.251.169.165 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 04:07:19 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Ach Sophia man mu� ja ein bischen spa� auch haben
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 05:01:10 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sofie,lassen wir "Kussi"weck.
EIN BISSCHEN SPASS MUSS SEIN.OK?
Sofie was ist das f�r eine Liste?Durch wenn verurteilt und wann vollstreckt? GRUSS LIEBE SOFIE
- 87.122.217.244 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 07:48:36 (UTC)

:
Lieber Rein-Hard. Hier im Strudelzimmer ist Kussi,Kussi nicht erlaubt. Wir sind doch Gotscheer.
- 205.188.116.9 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 12:18:28 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
"chiken" Gottscheer schreiben ihre namen
- 70.68.187.115 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 12:44:42 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Ich Gr�sse alle Gottscheer,und das Ihr alle lange unter uns verweilt.Sonst bin ich fast allein und versuche die Gottscheer Fahne hoch zu halten.Gr�sse Reini!!
- 87.122.237.120 - Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 15:42:22 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hello everyone. Just want to let you all know that my great nephew (Bryan age 15) had a successful laparscopic nephrectomy (kidney removal) on tuesday evening. It took 5 hours but he's going home less than 48 hours post op! Thanks to all for thinking of him.
- 69.179.19.132 - Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 21:00:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy to hear the good news Nancy-we will keep him on the prayer list....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 21:04:51 (UTC)

Beverly:
My nephew is 10 years old and every week he is given a "question of the week"...I thought I would share to keep you all amused.
Tom, Joe, Kate and Sam live in a row of houses with red, pink,blue and gray roofs. Sam's is blue. Tom has one neighbor and Joe has two. The red roof is two houses away from the blue. The gray roof is on the end of the block. Sam's only neighbor is an old maid. Who has the pink roof?

- 63.233.8.35 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 01:14:59 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Beverly, I love this kind of puzzle. I figured it out, but let's see who else has.

- 67.165.51.52 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 03:09:49 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
Four houses in a row: no. 1, 2, 3, 4
No. 1: gray, Tom
No. 2: red, Joe
No. 3: pink, Kate (old maid)
No. 4; blue, Sam
-------
I have another puzzle:
Billy hears a puzzle but can't figure it out. So he makes the announcement: "I figured it out, but lets see who else has". Is he fishing??

- 64.12.116.6 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 13:52:24 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Well, now I know who else has figured it out!
- 67.165.51.52 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 14:40:03 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
Clever Billy! But why is he red in the face.
- 64.12.117.8 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 15:47:06 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
Billy is now blue in the face!
He even fixed the posting! Next he will erase my entries! But not his!
" Well, now I know who else has figured it out!" he claims as he puts in my name; the Cowardly anonymous poster!!
Billy has been found out and can't face it!

Signed: "Cowardly anonymous poster".
- 152.163.100.7 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 18:01:34 (UTC)

Helmuth:
I wouldn't THINK of deleting your entries, esteemed Internet friend. Just want to give your posts the credit you are due by identifying you properly.

Oh and by the way, here's the solution to the original problem.

Tom, Joe, Kate and Sam live in a row of houses with red, pink,blue and gray roofs. Sam's is blue. Tom has one neighbor and Joe has two. The red roof is two houses away from the blue. The gray roof is on the end of the block. Sam's only neighbor is an old maid. Who has the pink roof?

A couple of things are given to us. "Tom has one neighbor....Sam's only neighbor..." therefore Tom and Sam must be on the ends of the block. The old maid must be Kate, "Sam's only neighbor is an old maid", being the only female name given. That puts Joe as the other neighbor in the middle of the block since we know he has two neighbors. Therefore the order is, Tom, Joe, Kate, and Sam. Sam's roof is blue, since that is given. But the gray roof must be at the other end (given), meaning Tom has the gray roof. Since the red roof is two houses away from the blue, that makes the red roof Joe's house. By process of elimination, Kate's house must be the pink roof. So the order is Tom (gray), Joe (red), Kate (pink), Sam (blue) and as a double-check, that satisfies all the conditions in the question (the reverse order is also correct since the problem does not make a left-to-right distinction).

- 67.165.51.52 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 18:42:26 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Wish me luck tomorrow, PZ'ers, I am running the Johnstown Marathon in Johnstown, PA and looking forward to a good run.
- 67.165.51.52 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 18:45:04 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Bravo Helmuth! and anyone who doesn't put a name to their posting is a coward so what other name could you give to the poster. Thanks Beverly, we enjoyed the puzzle and hope the other PZers did also. If you have any more feel free to share as we will just ignore the anonymous postings and have fun with the puzzles.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 18:53:56 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Good Luck Helmuth. your posting came in while I was doing mine so didn't see it in time to include "Good Luck" and hope you get good weather.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 18:57:42 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
Billy, my name has no bearing on pointing out a statement meant for the gullible; " I figured it out, but let's see who else has".
You would do well to go up front and appologize to the teacher and the class of ten year olds for being foolish. To late now to give her a slip of paper with the answer. Showing how clever you are in arriving at the answer given to you beforehand does not count.
And Helmuth, don't brood over this while running; it may spoil your day.
Kussi Kussi from your "Cowardly anonymous poster"

- 152.163.101.12 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 19:31:42 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
And get rid of that red and blue face.
- 152.163.100.134 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 19:35:54 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
It may interfere with your running.
- 152.163.100.136 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 19:38:40 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
You may break a blood vessel.
- 64.12.116.6 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 19:45:48 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
No way to go.
- 205.188.116.10 - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 19:58:51 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well I am going to try again...my nephew's "question of the week." By the way as you all must know Helmuth was right on. Corbin gets the new problem on Friday after they give the answer for the previous week. Great teacher to do this I think.
A father and his son are in a car accident and both are injured and require surgery. They are both taken to the hospital and the boy is taken to the operating room. The surgeon walks into the room, looks at the boy and announces "I cannot operate on this boy, he is my son."

:0)I am anxious to see if Corbin figures this one out.

- 63.233.9.228 - Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 02:57:49 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
An oldie: a man looking at a picture on a wall says "brothers and sisters have I none but that man's father is my fathers son. Who is the picture of?
Look what you've started Beverly
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 17:42:26 (UTC)

Sophia:
Must admit - I am totally lost. Congratulations to all the smart people on this topic. I am proud of you.
- 209.240.237.130 - Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 17:59:09 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
1. The picture on the wall is the picture of the man looking at the picture.
2. The surgeon is the boys mother.
- 205.188.116.6 - Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 20:23:16 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmut is it not possible to to trace a messege to a particular e mail address?
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 22:49:58 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Thanks everyone for your good wishes, well it was very hot today but I completed the entire 26.2 mile run, and in one piece no less! May post a picture later. Have a great week everyone.
- 67.165.51.52 - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 01:06:57 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:

Guten Abend. Summer has returned to KCMO. 84 today. AC still needed. Humidity bad. Had some real chilly days last week. Thought fall had finally come. My Tante Leni Yonke is home from re-hab following surgery at Mt Sinai. She is doing well. Thank you all for your prayers.

- 64.218.109.144 - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 01:17:41 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Congratulations Helmuth, thats a long run. Margaret we are glad that your Tante is doing ok.
Rainy day here in Vancouver
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 02:40:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret happy to hear your tante is coming along nicely. Helmuth congrats on your run...Have a nice week everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 03:54:45 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
Question for you: Was there a church in St. Louis, MO which most of the Gottscheers attended? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Enjoy your day.
- 209.240.245.176 - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 15:06:50 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Gr�ss Dich Sophia,hoffe es geht dir gut.
Schreibe in Excel das "Totengedenkbuch".Ist viel Arbeit.
Mu� mal Pause mache!Alles Liebe Reini
- 87.122.196.61 - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 16:59:21 (UTC)

Beverly:
Well perhaps since he has decided on the name Cowardly anonymous poster we could call him CAPPY ...adopt him as the "poster child of how not to act when spreaking to your superiors."
- 63.233.10.155 - Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 05:33:54 (UTC)

Regina:
Maybe it is Reinhard, the cowardly anonimous poster, he put in Kussi. He has written some English before.
Maybe he is being two people just for fun.??????

- 24.67.253.204 - Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 16:52:53 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
A puzzle for those who like our US flag:
What is the name of a retired US Army colonel who marches in processions with former SS Officers ?
Who is this retired US Army colonel who attends policy meetings of a foreign organization in which SS Officers are �Honored Members� ?
What is the name of the US based organization in which this US Army colonel is a Vice President and Member of the Board ?
Who are the other Officers, Directors and Board members of this US organization ?
Who are the members and sponsors of this organization that pays for trips to meetings attended by former Nazis ?
What is the name of the extreme right wing Austrian politician who admires SS members and also attends these meetings ?
What is the name of this politician who also rubs elbows with Saddam Hussein and Muammar al-Gaddhafi ?
Hint: ----- Look in Home/Forum of website Gottschee.de

- 152.163.100.130 - Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 19:17:00 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Relevand to the Gottscheer Kulturwoche 2005 in Klagenfurt.

Mr. Johnn Tschinkel!me too I am a U.S.citizen and like our U.S. flab:I am the man which is walking on the left side of the retired U.S Army colonel, who is marching, showing in the picture of GZ in the proccession.
You are accusug all the man of the executive committee Gottscheer lieders in Europe as SS Officers and former Nazis?. It is time that you quit you accusations on all the Gottscheer people in Europe.We no longer won't to read you abuse insult in the Home Page www.gottschee.de Forum and the PZ.
My english is not perfect,but I hope you will understand what I like to say.
I am a member of the GHGA and Vice-President of the Gottscheer Landsmannschaft in Germany
- 80.128.196.6 - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 12:17:32 (UTC)

frank of Vancouver:
Good Morning Ted Igot your cd DVD and I just would like to thank you for the work you put in to the project I really enjoy whaching them . And by the way your English is loud and clear .hoffentlich wirst du einen sch�nen tag haben wir haben heute regen.�
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 13:39:20 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Dear Ted Meditz, Vice-President of the Gottscheer Landsmannschaft in Germany. Thank you for your message.
NO, I never have accused - ALL - Gottscheer leaders in Europe to be SS men and Nazis. But - I AM - saying that you and others have welcomed these men into your leadership ranks. And it was the US flag under which so much American blood was spilled to rid the world of these people.
But your Lmsch., in which you are a VP, has Gottscheer SS man RICHARD LACKNER as �Honored Member�!!! Lackner, like you and the colonel marched in the same parade in August 2005. And other processions before that !!!
Your Lmsch and Erwin Meditz welcomed, in 1989, Gottscheer SS man WILHELM LAMPETER, officer in Buchenwald KZ into your Gottscheer leadership. (��after the War, the Western Allies defined as a war criminal anyone who was a principal or accessory to war crimes�.� the NY Times quotes on 30/1/05). At that meeting you gave him a medal and made him an �Honored Member� !!! Shame!!
I don�t care if you don�t read the Forum of Gottschee.de. Many others do. Since may 2002, over 46,000 have. Will they ever read that the Gottscheer freed themselves of the Nazis ? Ted Meditz, you can make it happen and I will be happy to report it.

- 64.12.116.65 - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 16:57:40 (UTC)

Erich Gliebe:
John Tschinkel your ignorance is proven in your posting.46000 people did not view the Josef Gladitsch web site Gottschee.de the 46000 represents the number of times the site was viewed, you probably viewed your own postings there a couple of thousand times.Gottscheers were not nazionalsocialists followers of Hitler as you constantly state they were German nationalists proud of their German Heritage. Mr. Lampeter was an honorable professor in the former East Germany if he had the Buchenwald officer position as you falsely claim the STASI east german intelligence bureau would have deported him. Furthermore you own and operate the Gottschee.de web site and Josef Gladitsch is just your frontman.Your agenda is to smear all Gottscheers with the dreaded nazi label and you are doing a good job with your Gottschee.de web site.You John Tschinkel are an unregistered agent of a foreign government and advocate anti-german policy which denigrates your fellow American citizens who happen to cherish their German Heritage.Shame on you John Tschinkel.
- 207.159.196.2 - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 17:45:45 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
Thank you Ted and Erich
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 23:01:38 (UTC)

Frank of Vancouver:
Sorry, that last posting was mine and I forgot to put my name in. Don't credit the Cowardly anonymous poster.
Again, thank you Ted and Erich, well said!
- 70.68.187.115 - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 23:06:26 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Erich Gliebe.
It is obvious where you stand. Your defense of the Nazis is transparent. You refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Most Gottscheer people were not NAZIS, but all their leaders were. These leaders bullied them to resettle into homes from which 37,0000 Slovene were expelled. Lampeter was their head; Lackner his Number 2. And after the war, they became �Honored Members� in Gottscheer Associations !!!
There is no question that Lampeter was the SS Officer in Buchenwald. Professor Gerd Simon of T�bingen University found the record of this Nazi in the FDR Archives in Berlin. To escape justice after 1945, he escaped into East Germany where the STASI welcomed all fanatics. There he became a Communist, the only way to be a Professor in a Communist country. This I got from the German professor who knows.
There is no question that Lackner was in the SS. A real NAZI. His record was found at the FDR records of WASt in Berlin.
What you say about the Gladitsch website is nonsense. I heard that from you under another name. You just can�t cope with the fact that another Gottscheer publicly agrees with me.
I have no problems with Gottscheer Americans who cherish their heritage. But you confuse German heritage with Nazi heritage. Is that why some Gottscheer American continue to march with former SS and Nazis ?? Not very loyal to OUR flag. !!!.

- 152.163.100.7 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 00:10:23 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hello all, nice day here in Vancouver

- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 03:08:06 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
oops my keyboard seems to have a mind of its own

- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 03:09:39 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
One more try
Paul hope you are keeping well
Nancy are you still busy as ever
Regina is it getting cold in Kamloops yet?
Ridy we heard on TV how warm it is in Toronto must be almost needing your air conditioning on again

- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 03:13:08 (UTC)

Beverly:
Hi folks, I know this is just against all the rules but I am going to share a recipe and it is just as good as any conversation lately! Trying to follow Franz's lead.
11-12 ice cream sandwiches...the ones with the chocolate cookie
1 cup Kahlua
1 small carton of Cool Whip
1/2 bag of toffee chips(made by Heath bars)

Layer the ice cream sandwiches so the whole bottom of a 9x13 pan is filled edge to edge. pour Kahlua over...it will puddle but what the heck! let it soak for about 5 minutes. Spread Cool Whip over it and then top the Cool whip with the toffee chips. Refreeze and serve. I had one fellow that ate 5 pieces...took it to work and it was a good day. Easy and awesome.
- 63.233.86.250 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 03:26:49 (UTC)

Sophia:
Beverly - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Love the recipe and will give it a try. Sounds NUMMMMMMY.
They are predicting snow for northern Minnesota tonight.
Yuk.
- 216.251.169.17 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 03:59:20 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Erich Gliebe.
It is obvious where you stand. Your defense of the Nazis is transparent. You refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Most Gottscheer people were not NAZIS, but all their leaders were. These leaders bullied them to resettle into homes from which 37,0000 Slovene were expelled. Lampeter was their head; Lackner his Number 2. And after the war, they became �Honored Members� in Gottscheer Associations !!!
There is no question that Lampeter was the SS Officer in Buchenwald. Professor Gerd Simon of T�bingen University found the record of this Nazi in the FDR Archives in Berlin. To escape justice after 1945, he escaped into East Germany where the STASI welcomed all fanatics. There he became a Communist, the only way to be a Professor in a Communist country. This I got from the German professor who knows.
There is no question that Lackner was in the SS. A real NAZI. His record was found at the FDR records of WASt in Berlin.
What you say about the Gladitsch website is nonsense. I heard that from you under another name. You just can�t cope with the fact that other Gottscheers publicly agree with me.
I have no problems with Gottscheer Americans who cherish their heritage. But you confuse German heritage with Nazi heritage. Is that why some Gottscheer American continue to march with former SS and Nazis ?? Not very loyal to OUR flag. !!!.

Franz, trying to hide the truth ??
- 152.163.101.10 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 15:36:23 (UTC)

Cowardly anonymous poster:
Beverly:
Hi folks, I know this is just against all the rules but I am going to share a recipe and it is just as good as any conversation lately! Trying to follow Franz's lead.
11-12 ice cream sandwiches...the ones with the chocolate cookie
1 cup Kahlua
1 small carton of Cool Whip
1/2 bag of toffee chips(made by Heath bars)

Layer the ice cream sandwiches so the whole bottom of a 9x13 pan is filled edge to edge. pour Kahlua over...it will puddle but what the heck! let it soak for about 5 minutes. Spread Cool Whip over it and then top the Cool whip with the toffee chips. Refreeze and serve. I had one fellow that ate 5 pieces...took it to work and it was a good day. Easy and awesome.
- 63.233.86.250 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 03:26:49 (UTC)
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 16:25:23 (UTC)

Christine:
Has anyone out there got the quartly "The Gottschee Tree"
yeet? It was due in September but to my knowledge it has not arrived at my home. Trix can you answer this?
- 207.200.116.72 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 16:32:05 (UTC)

Trix from Minnesota:
Christina - I understand that some have received their copy. I am not one of them as yet but keep checking the mail box every day. Let me know when you receive it.

Rain/snow showers here at the moment with the sun trying to peek through. Weir weather.
- 216.251.169.132 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 16:47:53 (UTC)

Christine:
No Gottschee Tree today ( the September Issue ) Soon it will be time for the December Issue. Will it be on time????
The September Issue is nnow 36 days late here If we deduct $
4.00 for every issue the is this much late and the issues are quarterly 12 from 22 would leave the dues only 10.00 per year . By the way are the press' broken or is it just called not getting their work done!!!!
- 207.200.116.195 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 22:54:55 (UTC)

Elfirede Stonitsch:
Christine, Trix:
Elizabeth Nick told me she had mailed THE GOTTSCHEE TREE on September 15. I have not yet received mine yet either but my post office is notoriously late with bulk mail. I usually do not receive it until three weeks after everyone else.
- 152.163.100.73 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 23:03:00 (UTC)

Beverly :
Received my copy 2 days ago...
- 63.233.10.245 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 23:09:19 (UTC)

Christine:
Thank you Ladies!!! I am quite familiar with Louisville, Colorado Haveing lived in the metro area of Denver and Boulder, Colorado. And since Las Vegas Is only and 8 to 10 hour drive from that area it does not take three weeks to get mail here even bulk mail. However I am not going to drive to Louisville to get the Gottschee Tree which should have been mailed by September 1st.Someone is not doing their job . I will exercise my secretarial skills and keep a record on how many times the quarterly publication is late
for the year. I don't know how THE GOTTSCHEE TREE was sent perhaps by pony express or mule train!!!
- 207.200.116.65 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 23:22:42 (UTC)

Christine:
By the way I am a Colorado Native born and raised in the metro area of Denver Also lived in Boulder Colorado Where the University Of Colorado Is located!!!!
- 207.200.116.8 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 23:27:07 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
I thougt perhaps I made my membership payment too late and that is why I did not get my copy.
- 70.68.187.115 - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 23:48:17 (UTC)

Christine:
Thanks Franz: The membersip dues are due in June and I am always early on that issue. and we have got the june issue on time, Even the articles ( books I have ordered sent by Media Mail usually arrives in from four to ten days) So what is the hold up now. Perhaps we need to elect other people to do the job, As this is not satisfactory. 36 days is not satisfactory for the members. What happened did the press' break down or was it just someone did not get it to the printers. Having had a family member ( Journeyman printer) can not think the press' would be down this long ,
perhaps someone should look into it!!!
- 207.200.116.135 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 01:10:07 (UTC)

Christine:
Since some members have gotten their copies of THE GOTTSCHEE TREE I can not help but believe that someone is being selective in who gets copies and who does not. When moving down here with a truck full of furniture and household goods made the trip in 15 hours, therefore can not imagine where " THE GOTTSCHEE TREE " is. Perhaps my copy did not get mailed.!!!!
- 207.200.116.138 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 01:20:46 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, everyone! Yes, it has cooled down here too. We had rain today. We are going to Vistoria for Thanksgiving, to visit our daughter and family.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the PZ Canadians. I am very thankfull to be living in Canada!
God Bless everyone and goodnight.

- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 05:45:28 (UTC)

Sheila K:
Just for the record, I received my copy earlier this week. I don't think it's written in stone that THE GOTTSCHEE TREE has to be in our mailboxes on the 1st of each designated month. Liz and her staff do an excellent all around job and this quarterly is no exception.
- 12.73.230.192 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:03:17 (UTC)

just me:
in regard to erich gliebe: http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/gliebe.asp
- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:06:27 (UTC)

just me:
in regard to erich gliebe: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=3827

- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:12:04 (UTC)

just me:
in regard to erich gliebe: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=3827

- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:16:51 (UTC)

just me:
in regard to erich gliebe http://www.aspendailynews.com/Search_Articles/view_article.cfm?OrderNumber=6238
- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:20:19 (UTC)

just me:
in regard to erich gliebe; http://www.natall.com/pdf/2005/04-23-05.pdf#search='erich%20gliebe'
- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:23:10 (UTC)

just me:
it would seem erich gliebe is a neo-nazi, racist and hatemonger. it's no wonder he defends w. lampter, r. lackner et al.
- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 13:25:28 (UTC)

Christine:
Liz Nick: Thank you for the e-mail in regards to my copy of the GOttschee Tree. Along with your statement that you will mail my copy on Monday October 10, 2005. If not known before be it known now that I keep all e-mail and issues of the Gottschee Tree in individual files and have since becoming a GHGA member.Will look forward to having the September issue of the Gottschee Tree by OCtober 15, 2005.
- 207.200.116.201 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 15:06:03 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Vancouver Franz, your Canucks are 1-0 and my Penguins are 0-1. Are you glad hockey is back?
- 170.201.180.33 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 17:21:52 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Helmuth: Everyone in BC seems to be very happy that Hockey is back. People travelled long distances to see the game but those that did not have tickets could not afford the scalpers prices of around $300. A lot of people were really looking forward to seeing Gretzky behind the bench so maybe that helped with the ticket sales, I watched it on TV and really enjoyed it

Cheers

- 70.68.187.115 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 18:17:49 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix: As per your request, Still no GOTTSCHEE TREE. the Mail has run for the day. Just notifing you. will expect that Liz will get a copy mailed to me on Monday by first class mail. I will also try www,USPO and see if the mailings can be traced or at least get the Louisville Post
Office Phone number to see if a trace can be put on that large a mailing someone will remember.!!!
- 207.200.116.8 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 19:35:33 (UTC)

Christine:
Does anyone know the history of Louisville, Colorado? Well it was a mining town to this day is still a small town.However, the people years ago probably around the turn of the century still mined Coal like in the Superior area.etc.Colorado was rich in mineral such as Coal, silver, and gold. I am still in possion of a gold nugget that my Father found during the short time he was a prospector. My two Grandfather's mined mostly coal and mostly on the western slope of Colorado.These mines were mostly in the mountains with high altitudes and lots of snow in the winter
short growing periods for vegetable gardens, now mostly strip mining, and ski slopes and some cattle ranches, beautiful country with an abundance of water so you see lush pastures etc. However most of the commerce is not only mining but the ski resorts etc. Just a bit of history from "Colorful Colorado".
- 207.200.116.195 - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 20:36:01 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hi all: Does anyone remember roasting or cooking chestnuts in Gottschee? I cooked some today but they don't seem to taste as I remember them.

I cooked these but maybe chestnuts are best if roasted?

Christine I looked up Colorado (Louisville) on Google. Very interesting statistics on the mix of people. It looks like a wonderful place to live.

- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 03:21:55 (UTC)

Sophia:
During our visit to the former Gottschee in 1999 my cousin Sofie Mausser roasted chestnuts for us. They were absolutely wonderful - dirty to hand from the open fire but very, very good eating. I would love them again.

So, did you buy yours or?

I remember eating them cooked as a child and I liked them but that was a long, long time ago.
- 209.240.237.150 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 03:26:30 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Sophia: Maybe thats the secret, they must be roasted. I cooked mine in water.

Yes, I bought them as they are always plentiful in the stores at Thanksgiving as a lot of people use them in the stuffing according to my wife. She has never eaten chestnuts on their own, only used them in receipes.

Maybe I will look on google and see if they suggest a way to cook them

- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 03:34:37 (UTC)

Marilu:
Christine
I also live in Colorado. I grew up in Minnesota but have been in Colorado for 39 years, 32 of them in Canon City. We call this the banana belt, because we have such nice weather. There were Gottcheers here also, in the early 1900's who worked in the coal mines around town. Canon city sits in a little valley right on the edge of the mountains.
- 207.200.116.72 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 05:50:49 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Guten Morgen Ihr lieben Gottscheer.Habe bald das "Totengedenkbuch" fertig.Und Maronen koche ich gleich .Lecker!!!
- 87.122.210.167 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 09:59:36 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Hallo Reinhard nah wie kochst du die maronen und wie lange ?Mu� ich die zuerst schelen ? gr��e aus Canada und einen Guten tag.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 13:48:17 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Franz I remember a couple years ago, someone microwaving the chestnuts...sounds crazy but they were actually very good.
- 67.165.51.52 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 13:58:44 (UTC)

Christine:
Franz: I remember my Father roasting chestnuts in the regular oven however you must poke air holes with a fork in the chestnuts. I did not and the chestnuts exploded in the oven. big mess to clean up.
- 207.200.116.200 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 14:26:48 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Thank you all I will try that I did cook some last night but for some reason I could not get the fruit out without it falling appart and I was not able to get thee skin away from the fruit. I have a feeling I did not cook them long enough.O and I also forgot what we called them in Gottschebarisch.I guess time will do that to the mind.
- 70.68.187.115 - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 15:09:24 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Franz aus Vancouver.Maronen koche ich so wie sie sind.Ungef�hr 15-20 Minuten.Je nach Gr�sse,und dann sch�le ich sie.Wenn du Sie in den Backofen br�ts,dann oben am Zipfel �ber Kreuz einschneiden.Sie gehen wunderbar im Ofen auf.Und ein wenig Wasser im Backofen stellen.Ok?
- 87.122.215.120 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 14:31:24 (UTC)

Franz of Vancouver:
Vielen dank f�r das recepi Ich denke ich hab sie nicht lange genug kochen lassen werde es nochmal probiren. Thank you Reinhard. tomorow is turky time here in Canada
- 70.68.187.115 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 14:44:22 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Is it not curious that the keyboard of Franz gets stuck only when he wants certain embarrassing information to disappear!! The screen gets filled with Blanks, pushing all entries out of the way. Knowing that RESET would clear the empty screen, he presses the SEND button instead. How transparent.
To show what is now hidden, I copy and re-post this info again.
Meanwhile keep in mind the Gottscheer Erich Gliebe is Chairman of the neo-Nazi National Alliance with Local Units in Cleveland and New York. Ted Meditz is VP of the Gottscheer unit in Germany which welcomed both SS officers Lampeter and Lackner and made them �Honored Members�.

- 64.12.116.138 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:44:49 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
A puzzle for those who like our US flag:
What is the name of a retired US Army colonel who marches in processions with former SS Officers ?
Who is this retired US Army colonel who attends policy meetings of a foreign organization in which SS Officers are �Honored Members� ?
What is the name of the US based organization in which this US Army colonel is a Vice President and Member of the Board ?
Who are the other Officers, Directors and Board members of this US organization ?
Who are the members and sponsors of this organization that pays for trips to meetings attended by former Nazis ?
What is the name of the extreme right wing Austrian politician who admires SS members and also attends these meetings ?
What is the name of this politician who also rubs elbows with Saddam Hussein and Muammar al-Gaddhafi ?
Hint: ----- Look in Home/Forum of website Gottschee.de

- 64.12.116.66 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:46:56 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Copy of reply from Ted Meditz

Ted Meditz,
Mr. John Tschinkel! me too I am a U.S. citizen and like our U.S. flab:I am the man which is walking on the left side of the retired U.S Army colonel, who is marching, showing in the picture of GZ in the proccession.
You are accusug all the man of the executive committee Gottscheer lieders in Europe as SS Officers and former Nazis?. It is time that you quit you accusations on all the Gottscheer people in Europe. We no longer won't to read you abuse insult in the Home Page www.gottschee.de Forum and the PZ.
My english is not perfect, but I hope you will understand what I like to say.
I am a member of the GHGA and Vice-President of the Gottscheer Landsmannschaft in Germany

- 64.12.113.9 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:48:16 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Re-post by John Tschinkel

Dear Ted Meditz, Vice-President of the Gottscheer Lmsch in Germany. Thank you for your message.
NO, I never have accused - ALL - Gottscheer leaders in Europe to be SS men and Nazis. But - I AM - saying that you and others have welcomed these men into your leadership ranks. And it was the US flag under which so much American blood was spilled to rid the world of these people.
But your Lmsch in which you are a VP has Gottscheer SS man RICHARD LACKNER as �Honored Member�!!! Lackner, like you and the colonel marched in the same parade in August 2005. And other processions before !!!
Your Lmsch and Erwin Meditz welcomed, in 1989, Gottscheer SS man WILHELM LAMPETER, officer in Buchenwald KZ into your Gottscheer leadership. (��after the War, the Western Allies defined as a war criminal anyone who was a principal or accessory to war crimes�.� the NY Times quotes on 30/1/05). At that meeting you gave him a medal and made him an �Honored Member� !!! Shame!!
I don�t care if you don�t read the Forum of Gottschee.de. Many others do. Since may 2002, over 46,000 have. Will they ever read that the Gottscheer freed themselves of the Nazis ? Ted Meditz, you can make it happen and I will be happy to report it.

- 64.12.117.12 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:49:56 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Copy of reply from Erich Gliebe

Erich Gliebe:
John Tschinkel your ignorance is proven in your posting.46000 people did not view the Josef Gladitsch web site Gottschee.de the 46000 represents the number of times the site was viewed, you probably viewed your own postings there a couple of thousand times.Gottscheers were not nazionalsocialists followers of Hitler as you constantly state they were German nationalists proud of their German Heritage.

Mr. Lampeter was an honorable professor in the former East Germany if he had the Buchenwald officer position as you falsely claim the east german intelligence bureau would have deported him. Furthermore you own and operate the Gottschee.de web site and Josef Gladitsch is just your frontman. Your agenda is to smear all Gottscheers with the dreaded nazi label and you are doing a good job with your Gottschee.de web site. You John Tschinkel are an unregistered agent of a foreign government and advocate anti-german policy which denigrates your fellow American citizens who happen to cherish their German Heritage. Shame on you John Tschinkel.

- 64.12.116.197 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:51:26 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
My reply to Erich Gliebe, Chairman of the neo-Nazi National Alliance with chapters in Cleveland and New York.

For Erich Gliebe.
It is obvious where you stand. Your defense of the Nazis is transparent. You refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Most Gottscheer people were not NAZIS, but all their leaders were. These leaders bullied them to resettle into homes from which 37,0000 Slovene were expelled. Lampeter was their head; Lackner his Number 2. And after the war, they became �Honored Members� in Gottscheer Associations !!!
There is no question that Lampeter was the SS Officer in Buchenwald. Professor Gerd Simon of T�bingen University found the record of this Nazi in the FDR Archives in Berlin. To escape justice after 1945, he escaped into East Germany where the STASI welcomed all fanatics. There he became a Communist, the only way to be a Professor in a Communist country. This I got from the German professor who knows.
There is no question that Lackner was in the SS. A real NAZI. His record was found at the FDR records of WASt in Berlin.
What you say about the Gladitsch website is nonsense. I heard that from you under another name. You just can�t cope with the fact that another Gottscheer publicly agrees with me.
I have no problems with Gottscheer Americans who cherish their heritage. But you confuse German heritage with Nazi heritage. Is that why some Gottscheer American continue to march with former SS and Nazis ?? Not very loyal to OUR flag. !!!.

- 64.12.116.8 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:55:11 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Cowardly anonymous poster:
Thank you Ted and Erich
Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 23:01:38 (UTC)
------------------------------------------------------------
Frank of Vancouver:
Sorry, that last posting was mine and I forgot to put my name in. Don't credit the Cowardly anonymous poster.
Again, thank you Ted and Erich, well said!
Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 23:06:26 (UTC)
- 64.12.116.132 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 15:58:29 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
John Tschinkel:
Is it not curious that the keyboard of Franz gets stuck only when he wants certain embarrassing information to disappear!! The screen gets filled with Blanks, pushing all entries out of the way. Knowing that RESET would clear the empty screen, he presses the SEND button instead. How transparent.
To show what is now hidden, I copy and re-post this info again.
Meanwhile keep in mind the Gottscheer Erich Gliebe is Chairman of the neo-Nazi National Alliance with Local Units in Cleveland and New York. Ted Meditz is VP of the Gottscheer unit in Germany which welcomed both SS officers Lampeter and Lackner and made them �Honored Members�.

- 64.12.116.201 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 16:04:37 (UTC)

Nancy:
An early greeting to all this eve. A crisp autumn day here. I spent satruday at the MN History Center. In searching just one film roll which contained the alien registration of my great uncle, Mathias Petschuaer, I found a virtual Gottscheer neighborhood. There was Stalzer, Troje, Kraker, and Matzelle. It was very exciting! Hope everyone has a wonderful week.
- 69.179.18.4 - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 23:25:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Nancy, Thank You for your update. I am interested in the Mathias Stalzer from Alttabor. Can you send me anything on him?

You too have a good week.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 00:24:04 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well and enjoying the delightful fall weather we had this week. Chilly nights, a frost, and warm days. Too bad all my tomatoes are gone. Green ones picked and put into grocery bags.
- 64.218.109.41 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 01:14:50 (UTC)

Trix in Minnesota:
Franz you asked for the Gottscheer name for chestnuts. Was it not Keschn?
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 01:53:02 (UTC)

Christine:
Margaret Jonke, Green tomatoes also make a great Green Tomato Relish, ----Green Tomatoes, green peppers, onions, and cabbage.sort of like sweet- sour relish, my family loved it . Recepie can be found in the Better Homes and Gardens , Canning , and Cook book.
- 207.200.116.10 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 03:14:01 (UTC)

Christine:
Of course there is also " Fried Green Tomatoes, a lot like
fried egg plant. Of course putting green tomatoes in brown paper bags will also help to ripen the tomatoes.
- 207.200.116.204 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 03:17:46 (UTC)

Marilu:
We had fried green tomatoes for supper tonite. I had a good tomato crop this year, from only 3 plants, and have had them twice. And have made a couple of batches of salsa with the ripe ones, plus had lots for slicers.
- 207.200.116.132 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 03:22:50 (UTC)

Marilu:
Green tomato pie is one of my family's favorite. Have to have it for family get=togethers. I can them, so we can have green tomato pie all year around. Even some of the grandkids like it. It was my dad's favorite pie, and I think mine too.
- 207.200.116.72 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 03:37:16 (UTC)

Trix:
How do you fry the green tomatoes and the egg plant that I keep reading about.
Thank you and good night from Waukenabo.
- 216.251.169.175 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 03:37:20 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix,
For Fried Green Tomatoes , wash, slice tomatoes anout 1/4 to
1/2 inch dredge in egg and flour and fry in hot shortening. season to taste ( salt and pepper. Same thing for the egg plant ( do not peel the egg plant) Fried Green Tomatoes taste a lot like Egg plant. Good night all. Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadian Gottscheers!!!!
- 207.200.116.72 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 04:16:56 (UTC)

Franz of vancouver:
Late getting on tonight, too busy eating turkey as we had our Thanksgiving dinner today instead of tomorrow.
Fried green tomatoes can also be made by mixing flour,water,salt and pepper to make a light but fairly thick batter and fry in hot oil. My daughter-in-law is helping me type this in case you are wondering why not too many mistakes
Trix, you are right! thats what they were called, thank you.
- 70.68.187.115 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 04:54:12 (UTC)

Marilu:
I dip the green tomatoes in egg and then cracker crumbs and fry in hot oil.
- 207.200.116.10 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 12:31:50 (UTC)

Nancy:
Hi Trix.....I copied the alien registration for Mathias Stalzer and will scan and email it shortly...any relation?
- 69.179.5.74 - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 22:09:18 (UTC)

Sophia from Minnesota:
In December of 1941 a group of Gottscheers from the Moschnitze area (eastern region) left the train station in Semitsch as part of the Umsiedlung. My family was included.

Can anyone tell me where I could obtain a copy of the listing of the Gottscheers who left from Semitsch during the Umsiedlung?

Thank you much.
- 209.240.245.78 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 00:21:48 (UTC)

Sheila K:
Trix: This is a real longshot but sometimes we have to dig deep to find things. Go to the site below. It should take you to a book description about the resettlement. If you copy the page you can take it to your local library and see if you can borrow it on interlibrary loan. Chances are a US institution might have a copy. Anyway,it states that mostly statistical info was used in compiling it but it might have a good bibliography that will lead you in the right direction. If this url doesn't work let me know and I will run off the page and send it to you. I will see if I can find anything else. http://www.arcs.ac.at/dissdb/rn035949
- 12.74.14.203 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 00:33:19 (UTC)

Sheila K:
Trix: One more suggestion - should have suggested this first. How about contacting Mitja Ferenc? If anybody would know where to find an answer to your question, I would think he would be the person.
- 12.74.14.203 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 00:39:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Sheila - THANK YOU SO MUCH. Very interesting site and I will follow your suggestion and go to the local library. You are right about Mitja but oh, my, trying to get a response is something else. Maybe I will have to make a trip and meet with him. Just kiddin. No plans to do at this time.

Hope life is treating you well. Again many Thanks. Truly appreciate your information.
- 209.240.245.159 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 01:17:32 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix:
I still have not received The Gottschee Tree ( September Issue) THis is 10-11-2005. Hope Liz has miled me a copy.
This is per your request as to when I get my copy.!!!!
- 207.200.116.9 - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 02:58:41 (UTC)

Christine:
Marilu:
I am still reading the latest book on Baby Doe Tabor that was a graduation gift from Theresa Mandle O'Brien, Curator for the Tabor Opera House In Leadville Colorado. My Aunt and Father's childhood school friend for all of their lives.
Since as a boy my father knew of Baby DOe Tabor and had stories to tell when he was growing up in Leadville, Colorado I was quite surprised to find that Thresa O'Brien also had written some books on Baby DOe and Memories of the high country. Leadville is two miles high. THe book given to my Daughter is inscribed and also Autographed, dated June 6, 1966 so we know that Theresa and my family was still in touch at that time. Exciting!!!!!
- 207.200.116.12 - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 03:07:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Christine - received my Gottschee TRee today. It was worth the long wait. Yours is coming - really, it is.
- 209.240.237.173 - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 03:20:48 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
NO NAME! (PZ posters,)What's this?
Who are you?
- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 03:26:06 (UTC)

Helmuth:
My apologies, I thought everyone knew that hwk@KT3L.com is me, Helmuth Kump, the site administrator for the Plauderzimmer, the Gottscheer Bulletin Board, and the Kump/Staudacher page.
- 170.201.180.33 - Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 12:25:27 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo Sofie,
bitte lasse mir auch eine Liste der Umsiedler zukommen,wenn du sie bekommts!Ich habe im Moment wenig Zeit.Ich mu� noch ein wenig Geduld Haben bis es ruhiger im Haus wird.Danke! Gruss Reinhard
- 87.122.227.169 - Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 14:58:16 (UTC)

Frank:
Can anyone give the true date Gottschee was setteled.I believe it was in the late 1200's and the 1330 date is wrong.My mom's side are original settler's and my dad's in the 1500's from Switzerland.
- 12.75.140.186 - Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 17:59:23 (UTC)

Sophia:
I believe the proper date is 1330.
- 209.240.245.75 - Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 23:33:23 (UTC)

Christine:
Trix: finally received my Gottschee Tree today. Was an interesting article about Martha Hutter.This interested me as I had an Aunt Maria Hutter. Also I see quite an article on your family. THis is per your request.
- 207.200.116.131 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 01:00:18 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Thanks, Helmuth K. for clearing that up for me.
I didn't know that was you.
Thanks again!
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 02:59:58 (UTC)

:
Thanks Sophia, but, according to Edward Skender's "Early History Of Gottschee" The towns Ossiunitz,Gottenitz and Gottschee already had church parish's in 1330 and Gottschee was already mentioned in 1310 and even earlier info on Gottschee.That's why I was curious about the 1330 date.
- 12.75.137.16 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 18:38:17 (UTC)

john:
hi,
- 68.145.251.160 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 19:00:36 (UTC)

john:
hi
- 68.145.251.160 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 19:00:58 (UTC)

john:
does anyone know if there are still any people left that attened scool in poljane in the 1930s
- 68.145.251.160 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 19:03:37 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Hallo John,sucht`s du einen Namen der in P�llandl der in den 30Jahren gegangen ist.Dann kann ich dir einen sagen mit Adresse.Gruss Reini
- 87.122.228.232 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 20:06:38 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Liebe Leute,wer hat noch Fotos und Unterlagen �ber Nova Gora(Neuberg)?Leider ist da nicht mehr viel vorhanden.
- 87.122.228.232 - Friday, October 14, 2005 at 20:15:29 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Weather is getting cooler here.
A great weekend to all!
- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 04:56:16 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Liebe Leute,wer hat noch Fotos und Unterlagen �ber Nova Gora(Neuberg)?Leider ist da nicht mehr viel vorhanden.

- 152.163.100.202 - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 15:21:57 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Message to Frank, (part 1 of 2)
You ask (on October 13, 2005); �Can anyone give the true date Gottschee was settled�?
Erich Petschauer in his �Gottschee through the Centuries�, quoting various authorities, states that the official settlement by Germanic colonizers started in 1339. (Pg 31).
Petschauer also reports that there was a pre-colonizing phase which started around 1247. The settlers were mostly Slovene from the Ortenburg domains of Lower Carniola. They cleared parts of the forest and started villages with Slovene names.
After 1325, colonizers came from Tyrol, Carinthia and other parts of the Germanic kingdom. They moved into the Slovene villages, converted the names to Germanic equivalents and gradually absorbed the Slovene population. That is why so many present-day Gottscheer have Slovene sounding names. Conversely, that is why many Slovene west of the Gottschee area have Germanic names.
One such village was called Ho�e, the area around it Ho�evje. The Germanic settlers used Gotsche which phonetically sounds like the Slovene. (E.P.on Pg 50)

- 205.188.117.65 - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 22:53:26 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Message to Frank, (part 2 of 2)
The written name of Gotsche appears, for the first time, in a document dated May 1, 1363. In this document, the Patriarch, grants Ribnica (a settlement since 811 and the parish of Lower Carniola since 10820, to elevate the Gotsche, P�lan, Costel, Ossiwnitz and Gotenitz villages to Parish status, all under to Ribnica. In 1377, Gotsche became a Market village; in 1393 it was allowed to separate from Ribnica and became an independent Parish. In 1471, the Market was granted city status. The name was written as Gottschee.
There were later settlement Phases. One known as the �Second Wave� was between 1547-1618, when the Gottschee leasehold was give to the Croatian Count Blagay. He brought with him many Croatians who were absorbed into the Germanic villages. Also some Turks stayed or left behind children. Turkish names such as Skender attest to this. To claim that the Gottscheer are pure Germanic peoples is fiction. Petschauer, and many other authorities, all agree on this. And now that we are Americans, this hardly matters.

- 205.188.116.131 - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 22:54:01 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope everyone had a wonderful week. We are enjoying Indian summer in KCMO. Tomorrow we begin a short trip to the lovely MO Ozarks region. Pretty time of year there.
- 66.140.92.68 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 01:06:49 (UTC)

Christine:
Marilu:
I am thinking the only way I am going to get these books is to contact the Leadville Historical Society to see if I can buy them, Or my childhood friend who lives in the area. The ones Amazon.Com lists out of print .What I am interested in is "The Bitter Days of Baby Doe Tabor and memories of the high Country by Theresa O'Brian" She was my families childhood friend My Dad always reffered to her as Theresa Mandl,Curator of the Tabor Opera House in Leadville, Colorado, her brother Albert Mandl was an actor there. By the way Did the house you toured in Denver have
stone Lions on the brick posts to the front entrance? If so that was the Molly Brown House.
- 207.200.116.69 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 01:53:54 (UTC)

Beverly:
Reading the wonderful article about A Life in the Year of our Villagers, I wonder...what is a pole mouse? Is it a squirrel? Never heard that phrase before. Thank you.
- 63.233.86.25 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 02:19:47 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, John T. thanks for some History about Gottschee!
- 24.67.253.204 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 02:48:14 (UTC)

Sophia:
Hi Mr. Germany Calling. Thank you for the mail. I wish you a wonderful week. Stay well and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.237.176 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 03:02:28 (UTC)

Marilu:
Christine
I will try to remember to check at the library tomorrow and see if they have that book.
- 207.200.116.135 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 03:10:27 (UTC)

Frank:
Thanks John for all information. Yes the Gottscheer's are a lot of different people and we were located at the cross roads of Europe.I remember my dad once said he had an Italian step grandfather named Fabian.As for myself, born in Austria,arrived here as a child in the 50's.I am a US Veteran my wife is old American dating back to the Revolution and my son's wife is on U.S. Grant's family tree.So if they ever have children we'll have a half Gottscheer or should I say a quarter Gottscheer on the family tree.Proud to be American!
- 12.75.138.108 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 15:19:20 (UTC)

Christine:
Marilu:
Thank you I just seem toget excited when I find something my family has meantioned and yet I cannot ask them as my Father was the last of his Family and now is no longer with us to verify it. Also am familiar with your part of Colorado as I had a cousin who lived in Westcliffe, but him and his wife was killed near Florence by a drunk driver. doing a good deed taking aa neighbor to Florence to
have her baby, it was on their way back home that the accident happened, THis was in the eighties. He was quite a wood worker. Name was Robert Lewandoski.
- 207.200.116.201 - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 23:04:15 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Alle sind gleich,aber manche sind wohl gleicher!!
Das gilt auch bei den Gottscheern.Die reden nicht mit jedem.Allen eine sch�ne Woche.
- 87.122.195.44 - Wednesday, October 19, 2005 at 15:18:31 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
A good week to all!
Tune in on the weekend.
- 24.67.253.204 - Wednesday, October 19, 2005 at 23:07:19 (UTC)

william:
hi, does anyone know anything about the cholera epidemic that struck the gottschee area in the mid 19th century? were there any other such epidemics during the later 19th century? thanks.
- 204.97.132.247 - Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 15:24:26 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
William: Go to Google, type in Gottschee Cholera and numerous pages will appear. Very interesting reading.
- 216.251.169.34 - Friday, October 21, 2005 at 11:42:58 (UTC)

william:
thx sophia
- 204.97.132.247 - Friday, October 21, 2005 at 13:04:47 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trx:
William - do you have access to the Gottscheer Zeitung? They have much information on your topic.

Are you Gottscheer? Born in Gottschee? Where etc. Feel free to write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net

Would enjoy hearing from you.
- 216.251.169.26 - Saturday, October 22, 2005 at 16:46:56 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Message to William, (part 1 of 2)
There were five major plagues in the Gottschee Area.
1 - 1578, --------- See: Valvasor XI, pg 199.
2 - 1600, 1601,-- See: Dimitz; �Zur Geschichte der Staette und Maerkte in Krain�, MHVK XIX, 1864, pg 57.
3 - 1836, --------- See: Viktor Steska , Zgodovinski Zbornik, IX, 1896, pg. 37.
4 - 1855, --------- See: Novice�. XIII; Ljubljana 1855, pg 295, 296.

The 1836 plague arrived in my village Masern on August 11. It lasted 53 days to October 3 and claimed 51 lives, nearly one third of the inhabitants of the village. Father Munini, the village priest, recorded each victim in the �Ledger of Deaths�, listing Variola, or smallpox, as the cause.
Among the 51 victims were two members of my family at Number 15; Elisabeth, 50 and Gera 38. A total of ten Tschinkels died; the other eight living in other houses. Tschinkel was the most common name in the village.

- 64.12.116.67 - Saturday, October 22, 2005 at 17:10:02 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Message to William, (part 2 of 2)
At the height of the carnage the villagers, led by Father Munini, prayed to Saint Rockus, the patron saint for protection against diseases, to lift the pox and spare the village, which he did on October 3. 1836. They pledged to commemorate the divine trial in an annual procession to the church in Dolenja vas dedicated to the saint. This promise was kept every year on August 16, the name day of the saint. I participated in the final procession in 1941.
The walled in cemetery surrounding the church could not accommodate the large number of those who died and as a result, they were buried temporarily in a mass grave consecrated by Father Munini. This forced a decision to move the cemetery and all its buried contents in 1838 to a larger location at one end of the village. Each house handled its own relics.

- 64.12.116.195 - Saturday, October 22, 2005 at 17:10:35 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well and enjoying the lovely fall weather. KCMO is blessed with cool days, chilly nights, and beautiful fall foliage. The MO Ozarks are particularly lovely this year.
- 64.218.109.105 - Monday, October 24, 2005 at 01:29:29 (UTC)

Reinhard:
Kann mir jemand sagen um welches Buch "Mausser" es sich handelt und wo man es bestellen kann.
- 87.122.198.173 - Monday, October 24, 2005 at 10:59:02 (UTC)

Helmuth:
If anyone has sent me any email in the last 24 hours, please forward to hwk@hwk.best.vwh.net due to a problem with the KT3L.com domain...thanks!
- 170.201.180.33 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 11:02:35 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part One:

Following the discussions in Plaudezimmer regarding participation of Peter Kosler Gottscheer Verein group of 19 persons from Gottschee (Cantate Domino) on Gottscheer Treffen 2005 3, 4, 5, September in Toronto and some exchange of opinion between guests of Plaudezimmer after that event I feel free to give my vision of our common history considering our past from year 1941 until now.

Resettlement years 1941/42 when nearly 12.000 Gottescheer voluntarily left their homeland, which was settled and cultivated 630 years ago by their ancestors and those of unknown number which have not resettled has lead to an ample not to be imagined gap regarding destiny, recollection and feelings of those by number so different groups.

Slovenia was occupied and divided in nearly two equal halves horizontally from west to east between Germany and Italia; only small part in north east was occupied by Hungary.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:27:47 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Two:

It was war; resettled Gottscheer lived in German Reich; those remining in old homeland lived in Italian Kingdom.

On May 9th 1945 Germany surrender and from Yugoslavia which altered from Kingdom to a totalitarian Communist republic authorities exiled over 500,000 citizens of German origin, between them Gottscheer.

Gottscheer banished from Yugoslavia came to Austria in year 1945 occupied by allied and found their future live in democratic countries.

Not resettled Gottscheer spend the war in homeland which was occupied by Italians and where in the time of war bloody communist revolution has taken place. This revolution was a tragedy to Slovenes as for the not resettled Gottscheer.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:36:57 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Three:

Already during the war communists killed more Slovenes, opponent to communist idea, labeling them as traitors, as Italians being ocupators. After the war, victors-communists massacred their political opponents, over 12.000 Slovenian, whole families, so called Belogardisti, which English army delivered from Carinthia in hands of Yugoslav army.

For Gottscheer exiled from Yugoslavia new life has begun mainly in Austria, Germany, USA, Canada and other countries.

For not resettled Gotscheer live in Communist totalitarian state has begun and totalitarian communist Yugoslavia lasted until 1991 when Slovenia as first of Yugoslav republic became independent democratic Republic.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:38:50 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Four:

Only today all over Slovenia mass graves are disclosed, the number until now is over 400. In this mass graves near 100.000 victims of after war massacre were found. Mostly of the victims are Croatian, Serbian and Muslims, but also Slovenes and Germans.

The resettled Gottscheer and those remained in old Homeland, being today 74 to 82 old were in 1941 were boys and girls of age 10 to 18 years.

We are the last generation which can do something for the preservation of cultural heritage of our ancestors, which has in over 630 years long period with hard and self-sacrificing work changed the wilderness in cultivated land and created a culture on such a high level, we can be proud of.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:40:37 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Five:

As mentioned, the discussion in Plaudezimmer has stimulated me to write this text.

It is somehow childish to read the fight between persons regarding different opinions about events happening 60 years ago.

To keep in mind in 20th century three totalitarian ideologies of, communism, Nazism and fascism contributed to large political socioeconomic structures, state boundaries changes and also changes in world map.

These ideologies were-are brutal as we already learned from French revolution and the favorite in number of victims is far ahead Communism with over 100 millions.

To implement the ideology; leaders that�s brains behind them, needs young idealists and they found them always.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:43:09 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Six:

I. being 14 years old in 1945, trusted and believed in our, that time communist leaders that we will build a new society with equal rights to everybody that is socialism.

Therefore I strongly believed that the young leaders of Gottscheer resettlements were idealists and to blame them; only few of them still alive; for what they have done 65 years ago is not seeking justice for me.

I found also that for some of them the WW II hasn�t finished yet, some of them are not enough informed about historically facts of that for all of us cruel period, those years being well described by different historian, but for my satisfaction most of the guests in Plaudezimmer understood our work here in Homeland and are for building the bridges.

The different judgments regarding our common past are due to, to narrow comprehensive analysis of all facts taken into consideration.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:44:57 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Seven:

As a member of the GHGA I prepared for Geneaology Congress held in Ljubljana a lecture Migration in Slovenia in the light of German family names brought to Gottschee region from former territory. Bibliography for this lecture were two works:

One - by Gottscheer German, senior master Josef Pertz who compiled a list of 316 German family names used in Gottscheer region in year 1935, naming them �names brought from origin� (althergebrahten Gottscheer Familiennamen).

From this historical listing I have selected only those family names, confirmed by Ivan Simon�i� (Les migration au rayon de Ko�evje dans la lumiere des noms de famillie-Migration in Gottscheer region in light of family names, Etnolog VII, Etnografski muzej v Ljubljani 1934) as being of German origin.

In his work Mr. Simon�i� also analysed which territories those names were brought from to Gottschee region.

Selected family names I compared by telephone book of Slovenia and in our country I found 5642 family names without doubt of Gottscheer origin.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:47:46 (UTC)

Erik Krisch:
Part Eight:

You can ask why they don�t feel being Gottscheer origin and find answer in history.

I will finish wih the goal our Ass., Gottscheer Verein �Peter Kosler� has and that is in achieving acknowledgment in Slovenian society for the contribution of our ancestors during their 600 years hard work to the culture of Slovenia as it is today.

- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 13:48:44 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
I am interested in accessing the Russian Archives. I am looking for information on German soldiers MIA from World War II. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to begin? Who do I contact etc. As always THANK YOU MUCH.
- 216.251.169.134 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 14:17:13 (UTC)

A member of the GHGA:
The cholera epidemic struck Gottschee in 1855. There is an article in the �Geschichte und Kultur der Gottscheer� supplement to the September 1989 Gottscheer Zeitung dealing with the Expositur (sub-parish) of Oberskrill and the villages that belonged to the expositur. The article describes the epidemic, some past epidemics, and the casualties from the 1855 epidemic, which were: Oberskrill 5 males and 8 females; Unterskrill 1 male; Unterfliegendorf 2 males and 2 females; and Suchenreuther 1 male. The epidemic struck other parts of Gottschee as well, but this was not reported in this linited historical article.

- 209.240.245.159 - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 22:14:31 (UTC)

Helmuth:
A reminder, you should always give your name to identify yourself when chatting in this room. Thanks for your cooperation.
- 67.165.51.52 - Wednesday, October 26, 2005 at 12:00:25 (UTC)

william:
thank you john and 'A member of the GHG' for this information. does anyone know where i can get a copy of �Geschichte und Kultur der Gottscheer� supplement to the September 1989 Gottscheer Zeitung dealing with the Expositur (sub-parish) of Oberskrill and/or 'Novice�. XIII; Ljubljana 1855, pg 295, 296' (as referenced by 'a member' and john respectively)?
- 204.97.132.247 - Wednesday, October 26, 2005 at 12:26:47 (UTC)

william:
sophia, i am not gottscheer in the true sense: my mother was born in morobitz so i am gottscheer by descent. her family was part of the 1941 umsiedlung then the 1945 flucht from untersteiermark. i was born in ridgewood, ny and am first generation american; my parents came to the u.s. from germany in 1960 after my sister was born.
- 204.97.132.247 - Wednesday, October 26, 2005 at 12:31:09 (UTC)

scott:
would like information about Johann Hiris born abt 1852, married to Magdelena Rankl born 1857.
I aam trying to complete the family tree and need more info on them and their 8 children.
- 206.246.6.127 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 02:00:01 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Scott - The GHGA has a CD for the Parish of Nesseltal that has further information on your Hiris - Rankl family. Please write to Kate Pruente Baum or the genie@parkspringscommunities.com.

Enjoy your journey of discovery.
- 216.251.169.9 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 03:48:55 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Hi William. Nice to meet you. Where, in Untersteiermark, did your parents live? We were near K�nigsberg and left there on May 8, 1945 to participate in the Flucht to Steiermark. My parents and I arrived in Minnesota in April of 1952.
- 216.251.169.9 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 04:31:15 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
William - in case your are interested, there are some beautiful photos of Morobitz on the following web site: gottschee.de; go to archive, click photo, select the letter M. This site is in Munich, Germany.
- 216.251.169.9 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 04:35:33 (UTC)

scott:
sorry fir the duplicate posts..got it fixed now!!

Trix..thanks for the info on "genie"
- 206.246.6.127 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 05:06:27 (UTC)

scott:
sorry fir the duplicate posts..got it fixed now!!

Trix..thanks for the info on "genie"
- 206.246.6.127 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 05:09:05 (UTC)

scott:
sorry fir the duplicate posts..got it fixed now!!

Trix..thanks for the info on "genie"
- 206.246.6.127 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 05:09:23 (UTC)

scott:
sorry fir the duplicate posts..got it fixed now!!

Trix..thanks for the info on "genie"
- 206.246.6.127 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 05:11:15 (UTC)

william:
sophia, my mother and her family we resettled in haselbach; her onkle and his family in gurkfeld; her other onkle and her aunt (all three her father's (2) brother(s) and sister) and their families managed to make it to graz in 1941 before the umsiedlung. i have seen those pages on gottschee.de. i actually have original prints of some of them; in fact my mom and her mother are in one of those photos.
- 204.97.132.247 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 13:17:13 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Thanks William. Good information. Now, have you ever visited the former Gottschee and the area of the resettlement in Untersteiermark? If not, I guarantee that you would enjoy it.

- 209.240.237.134 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 13:59:38 (UTC)

william:
sophia, no, i have never been to gottschee/kocjeve or untersteiermark. i was student in germany in early 1980s and at that time i couldn't get into jugoslavia; as recently as three yrs ago i was in austria (vienna) for several weeks but didn't have the time to make the trip. i plan on going in may for three weeks.
- 204.97.132.247 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 14:45:06 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Thanks William for your latest memo. Enjoyed it. When the time comes for you to head across the Atlantic and you may need some connections in the former Gottscheer region feel free to contact me. I have the pleasure of knowing and working with numerous individuals who would be delighted to meet you and no doubt guide you. I can be reached at wyants@mlecmn.net.

I invite you to consider joining the GHGA. I guarantee an enjoyable journey.
- 209.240.237.134 - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 16:35:14 (UTC)

scott:
Sophia,

Tried two different emails for "genie"and neither are good. Do you or anyone else have a up-to-date one on "genie". Thanks
- 206.246.6.229 - Friday, October 28, 2005 at 01:24:04 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Here it is:

Baum, Kate
E-mail Address(es):
thegenie@parkspringscommunities.com

- 209.240.237.134 - Friday, October 28, 2005 at 01:40:48 (UTC)

scott:
that email address is no longer any good!
- 206.246.6.93 - Friday, October 28, 2005 at 02:47:44 (UTC)

Jim H:
Dear Scott,
That is the email I have for Kate as well. As far as I know it is still working.

- 64.12.116.12 - Saturday, October 29, 2005 at 20:54:52 (UTC)

Regina in Kamloops:
Hi, I tried the 2 emails for Kate and neither one went
through for me.
- 24.67.253.204 - Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 02:52:36 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
Regina and Scott - I wonder why. I send e-mails to Kate all the time and have no problems. Frustrating.
- 209.240.245.151 - Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 03:24:28 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Regina and Scott, I don't know what domains you are sending emails from (domain is the part of your email address to the right of the @), but it's possible that the destination mail server for parkspringscommunities.com does not allow connections from your domains, possibly because of spam or other previous problems. Try to send from another email address and see if that goes through.
- 67.165.51.52 - Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 11:13:38 (UTC)

Sophia aka Trix:
WOW, another valuable lesson learned. THANK YOU Helmuth.
- 209.240.237.138 - Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 14:43:18 (UTC)

Nancy:
Sorry...the Kletsch photo is really Semitsch.
- 69.179.27.12 - Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 21:26:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Love the plauderzimmer2. I posted a picture if anyone would like to see.
- 209.91.128.36 - Monday, October 31, 2005 at 02:09:32 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nice picture Sharon, I was looking to see if perhaps the accordionist was my grandfather Franz Kump but the date puts it too early to be him (doesn't look like him anyway). Hope we have some luck identifying them.
- 67.165.51.52 - Monday, October 31, 2005 at 22:05:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Helmuth The accordionist is my Grandfather. My Dad looks just like him.
- 209.91.128.36 - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 at 01:05:08 (UTC)