Plauderzimmer Log, Sep. '00 - Apr. '01


Helmuth:
Greetings everyone, glad to see all the activity every Sunday. Hope everyone had a wonderful summer. I for one am glad it's over (autumn is my favorite season).
- dap-209-114-167-48.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Friday, September 22, 2000 at 01:41:22 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Mary Thurman: Sorry about your mother. Where in Minnesota did she live?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 15:01:05 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: RE: Bears. Have been told, "always run Downhill!" Bears are so heavy they fall down, if they run downhill. This advice from Marie Wolf. Probably just stay out of the woods.
- A010-0002.KSCY.splitrock.net - Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 17:31:06 (GMT)
George Plautz:
Hi.
- spider-wi031.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 20:35:33 (GMT)
George Plautz:
It's 4:30pm on the East Coast. Seems I missed this again.
Hope everyone is doing well.

- spider-wi031.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 20:36:56 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Anyone here yet tonite?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 00:52:38 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: I'm here. How is everyone. My cousins just got back from Austria and Slovenia. Think they were disappointed. Most of the villages are gone.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:08:08 (GMT)
Steve Recher:
Know anything about Recher or Staudohar from Ridgewood???
- d108-171.hcvlny.optonline.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:10:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello Steve and Margaret
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:11:24 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
We had a light dusting of snow this morning in Canon City.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:15:43 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: The 2002 trip sounds wonderful. I must renew my membership in the Heritage organization. Thank you for the information from last week.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:15:45 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Are you on tonight? Did you get my message about how to get away from a bear??
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:17:41 (GMT)
Steve Recher:
Know anything about Recher or Staudohar from Ridgewood???
- d108-171.hcvlny.optonline.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:18:04 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Steve, I don't know anything about them. MOst of what I know is from records in Gottschee.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:20:59 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Sophia, My mother lived in Breckenridge, Minnesota, which is south of the Fargo Moorhead area.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:21:40 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Did I tell you that our younger son, Mark Murphy, lives in Fargo? And his wife is from Nevis, Minn. by Park Rapids, MN.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:22:56 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello everyone!
Has anyone seen the Gottscheer basketball player on the women's U.S. team in the Olympics? We have tuned in to watch some of the competition, but haven't seen any basketball yet.

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:23:46 (GMT)
Steve Recher:
Thanks Mary. Ridgewood is in Queens NY. Where both my grandfathers, Joseph Recher and John Staudohar came to in the early 1900's.
- d108-171.hcvlny.optonline.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:24:57 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ed and Mary: Haven't seen much of the Olympics. I hear there is a US swimmer from the Ukraine on our team.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:25:28 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Yes Margaret you did. I may be going back up there in a week or so. I should call him.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:25:30 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Give me your email and I'll send his phone number.The Gottscheers get around!
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:27:06 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Margaret my email is marilu1030@aol.com
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:27:38 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: The number should be coming through to you now.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:30:36 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ok thanks Margaret. Yep I got it. Tell Mark my married looks funny on here too!!
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:32:46 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
It looks better this way.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:33:23 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Where are you tonight??
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:34:03 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Margaret: Did your relatives visit the former Gottschee area when they were in Slovenia?
- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:36:59 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
How is everyone tonight. Oh yes, Jim went Bear hunting.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:37:19 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ed and Mary do you go back and read any of the message since last Sunday?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:38:01 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ed and Mary: Yes. They hired a guide and rented a car. Many of the villages are gone. They had some things stolen including their video camera and regular camera, so they have very few pictures. Too bad.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:38:45 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hi Franz when are you coming to Colorado?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:38:50 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
To Mary Thurman: Yes, we sometimes check out the messages during the week. Was there something we missed?
Hi to Cousin Franz!

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:39:51 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I left a message that my mother passed away two weeks ago in Minnesota.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:42:47 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary Thurman: I check on Mondays and then print out the messages and mail them to Marie Wolf. SHe knows more about the Gottscheer heritage because she was born there.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:43:03 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I watched the womens basketball against Poland, who is the Gottscheer on our team? Hi Mary, Ed and Mary. As it looks right now ,I will be in Co the week of Oct. 7.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:44:47 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Getting late. Must log off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. See you next Sunday.
- A010-0899.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:44:48 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Franz I hope I am here then. I am planning another trip to Minnesota and don;t know yet what days I will be gone.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:46:29 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Everybody!
My computer is working again and I'm busy learning how to use some of the new software. Takes time at my age.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:47:57 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ridy, lei luas in computer schei, bei giascht due et zautlein pochn.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:49:43 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Thanks a lot, Franz - I just came out of the kitchen! And I just sent you an e-mail with the Gottscheer girl on the Olympic basketball team. Her name is Kara Wolters, I think..
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:51:36 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - du pei insch ischt's heint schon kaut - v'leicht babr sögur schon Reife hub'n heint pei dr Nocht!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:53:48 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - du pei insch ischt's heint schon kaut - v'leicht babr sögur schon Reife hub'n heint pei dr Nocht!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:53:49 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello! Hope everyone had a good week.
- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:54:23 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ridy, De reife tuat ei canadier schob gueat, olles schlechte bet gefriaschn.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:56:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
German is hard enough without the Gottscheer twist.
- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:57:41 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Hi Jim, I just mentioned your bear hunting, how was it? How many trophies?
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:57:58 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ok Now you need to translate for us dummies!!
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:58:12 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz _ Yes, Kara Wolters is the member of the Olympic team. Her father is Willy Wolters, born in Rann, and his mother is Maria Hoegler, born in Grintowitz. At one time they lived in Ridgewood, N.Y., according to the e-mail we received.
Mary Thurman _ We are sorry to learn about the death of your mother.

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:59:06 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I haven't gone bear hunting yet. I am waiting for my trapsing through the woods in Gottschee to back the big one. Margaret, I know you signed off but I did not get your message.
- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 01:59:34 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, condolences about your mom as well.
- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:00:10 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Thank you all. She died suddenly from a stroke, no suffering so that part was good.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:02:54 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Jim, how have you been? If you would like to encounter a fuzzy bear, come with me to Colorado in two weeks, there are plenty, just ask Mary.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:04:41 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes we do have bears here...
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:05:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I will pass. I might stop in for sip of wine but the bears can wait.

- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:08:42 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Mary, I wish to extend my sympathy as well.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:08:44 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
But Jim, you wanted to know how to handle a bear if you encounter one, thi swould be agreat opportunity to, learn.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:11:38 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy! Have you heard anything more about the success of the Treffen? Someone was asking last week how things went. Did you get to attend any events?
- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:12:51 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Be sure to take along a bottle of wine to share with the bear, when you encounter one, Franz and Jim! And remember to run downhill!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:13:19 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ridy, which way is downhill?
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:14:06 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi E & M -- I didn't get to the Treffen at all, but I hear it was great and they had a very large crowd.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:14:18 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - I don't know, you'll have to ask Margaret. That's what she said.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:15:16 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Jim, there you go, just run down hill if there is one.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:15:39 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, I am quite a quick study. You can elucidate matters verbally or I can watch you.
- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:16:36 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gute Nacht, everybody. Must go back to tracking my son's flight back to England on thetrip.com -- I think it's meant for little kids to watch, but I like it too!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:17:32 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
We are going to try very hard to get to next year's Treffen in Ridgewood, so we can visit with our relatives, Adolph and Marie Mausser, and others living in that area.
- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:17:45 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ed and Mary, if you happen to see Adolph Mausser, please extend my greetings.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:22:33 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
JIM, Ed & Mary I am still working on e-mailing the Komutzen photos.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:24:54 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz: We talk to them occasionally on the phone and Ed plans to call within a few days and will be sure to mention your greeting. We enjoyed meeting them for the first time at the Treffen last year in Cleveland.
- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:26:56 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Do any of you know if there are any pictures of Bistriz in existance?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:27:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Ridy. I like watching the little airplane icon on some of the flights. Just a kid at heart.


- spider-wd014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:29:22 (GMT)
Lynn:
Anyone here now?
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:31:04 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz:
Thanks for your work on the Komutzen photos. It will be interesting to see the village.

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:32:21 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ed & Mary, if I just wouldn't be so clumsy with computers. But I won't give up.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:34:33 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ed & Mary, today I ran across photos my late parents sent me when they visited Gottschee and what used to be Komutzen. They are picking apples in their once orchard.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:37:34 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I guess it's time to say Good Night and a pleasant week.
- 1Cust233.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:42:32 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Good night Franz Hope to see you in a couple of weeks
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:43:33 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz: We aren't computer experts, either, but we'd appreciate any pictures from Komutzen.
Marie Mausser recently sent us some photos, via regular mail, of Ed's grandmother's brother and sister and some of their children. We appreciate learning about all these relatives and their birthplace of Komutzen. Thanks, again.

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:43:55 (GMT)
Lynn:
Where are you writing from? I am from Southern IL and my Mom's family came from Pollandl and Nesselthal.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:49:02 (GMT)
Jim:
Lynn, are you still in the chat room.
- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:51:06 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Lynn: We are from Ohio, about 90 miles sough of Cleveland, and Ed's grandparents were from Komutzen and Rotenstein.
- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:51:44 (GMT)
Lynn:
Thanks for telling me! I have a lot of Kraker's in my background.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:53:54 (GMT)
Lynn:
Some of our Thellian and Kump relatives lived in Cleveland.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:54:20 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Lynn:
Ed's great-grandfather, Joseph Kraker, was from Pollandl and we have a video showing the church there. Ed's grandmother's maiden name also was Kraker.

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:57:48 (GMT)
Lynn:
Let me check my file to see if I am connected to Joseph. BRB
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:58:34 (GMT)
Jim:
Lynn and Ed,
you are sixth cousins once removed.

- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:58:48 (GMT)
Jim:
also seventh cousins
- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 02:59:25 (GMT)
Lynn:
I am related to three Joseph Krakers, but they were all in the early 1800s in Oberwarmberg.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:00:22 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Thanks Jim for finding us another cousin! Our Christmas card list is getting longer all the time!
- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:01:01 (GMT)
Lynn:
Oh HI Jim - I didn't know you were there! Who is our common ancestor? I mean mine and Ed's? And HELLO Cousin!
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:01:22 (GMT)
Lynn:
Ed and Mary -- This is my email address: babogs@shawneelink.com if you want to be in touch anytime.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:02:00 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I discovered when I was in Minnesota this summer, that a Vertin family there was from Doblice, same town as my great-grandmother. Probably not a relative, but I was excited about it.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:03:05 (GMT)
Lynn:
So Ed and I are related two ways -- isn't that wonderful? Jim and I are 6th cousins.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:03:13 (GMT)
Jim:
Lynn, I let the program find the relationship. It does not quickly find the link.
- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:04:24 (GMT)
Lynn:
Oh I know what you mean on FTM. How many names are in your database, Jim?
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:06:47 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
To Lynn: Our e-mail address is ekrock@clover.net.
To Mary Thurman: With all the Gottscheer ties, that family could have been your cousins!

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:07:42 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
It will not surprise me if I find a connection one day.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:08:43 (GMT)
Jim:
one of your links is through Johann Kinkoff born abt 1684 and married to Ursula. Could not find the other one.
- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:11:44 (GMT)
Lynn:
Thank you -- I will record your email address now.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:13:41 (GMT)
Lynn:
Thanks for looking that up, Jim.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:14:18 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Goodnight to all you good Gottscheer cousins.
We hope to catch the Gottscheer basketball player in the Olympics soon. By the way, we have a Gottscheer punter on our high school football team. He is Matt Davis _ our grandson!

- mod34.new-philly.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:15:00 (GMT)
Jim:
Lynn, over 33000 names. Mary, only Vertin relative was Michael who married Katherina Petsche of Bistritz#2. She was the daughter of Johann and Maria Rom. I don't know if this is from your information but that is all I have. Will sign off for now. Have a good week.

- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:16:25 (GMT)
Jim:
Lynn, over 33000 names. Mary, only Vertin relative was Michael who married Katherina Petsche of Bistritz#2. She was the daughter of Johann and Maria Rom. I don't know if this is from your information but that is all I have. Will sign off for now. Have a good week.

- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:16:39 (GMT)
Lynn:
Good night JIM -- sweet dreams.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:18:40 (GMT)
Jim:
having some trouble with Aol. over 33,000 names. Only Michael vertin married to a Katherina Petsche of Bistritz#2.
Will sign off for now. Have a good week.

- spider-wd083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:18:41 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight everyone.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:20:16 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight everyone.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:21:57 (GMT)
Lynn:
OK then Goodnight Mary -- I hope everyone has a good week! Until next time then.
- ilsmpn96.shawneelink.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:23:06 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Well Jim those Petsche people are my relatives also. lol
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 03:27:14 (GMT)
Ramor/Schuss:
Is anyone here from the village of Rodine or Reichenau?

- ip56.vancouver11.dialup.canada.psi.net - Monday, September 25, 2000 at 06:01:27 (GMT)
:
What's up tonight?
- 1Cust101.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:05:05 (GMT)
jim h:
Anyone in the house tonight?
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:18:34 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend Jim, wie geht es heute?
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:21:39 (GMT)
jim h:
Sehr gut.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:22:56 (GMT)
Franz:
Es freut mich, dass es Dir guht geht. Wie ist das Wetter an der Ostkueste? Bei uns war es sehr warm, ueber 80 Grade.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:25:40 (GMT)
jim h:
War es nicht so warm, 70 grade.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:26:50 (GMT)
Franz:
Wir haben Indianer Sommer, oops, not pc acceptable.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:29:12 (GMT)
jim h:
Sonnig,nicht kalt.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:30:05 (GMT)
Ridy :
In Toronto war es auch sehr angenehm - herrliche Sonne, kein Wind, und schön warm -- za. 23°C
Guten Abend, meine Herrn!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:30:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, hoscht due de zautlein schon frtig?
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:31:08 (GMT)
jim h:
Das ist fein. (how do you say --- don't worry --- nicht zu beunruhigen sich)
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:32:39 (GMT)
Ridy :
You've got a one-track mind, Franz! Tzautlein - No! G'prutene Eripfle - Ja!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:33:01 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I hope you will keep the Canadian Clipper up north.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:33:01 (GMT)
Ridy :
Actually, I think the Canadian Clipper is a misnomer. We think it comes from Alaska and blame the Americans!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:34:31 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, G'prutene Eripfle? Ischt dos olles bues due hoscht?
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:34:55 (GMT)
jim h:
I have a hard enough time with the German but the Gottscheer words often elude me.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:35:08 (GMT)
Ridy :
Jim - mach Dir keine Sorgen -- your German sounds OK to me, if slightly backwards at times. But we get the message! Keep trying!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:35:45 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, you are doing great with the German, it's time to graduate to the Gottscheer language.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:36:31 (GMT)
Ridy :
Franz - get your mind off the food before we all head for the kitchen!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:37:13 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, it,s not just food, I am longing for the Gottscheer chow.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:38:23 (GMT)
Ridy :
Franz - have you thought of learning how to cook?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:39:30 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I have a faint memory when I was watching the cattle grazin back in that country, I used to burn potaoes in the fire. That is as far as I remember cooking.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:42:25 (GMT)
jim h:
Backwards often is English My.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:43:01 (GMT)
jim h:
I don't know about you guys but I have trouble finding a good German restaurant. I wonder if Lukan's Resort in Pennsylvania cooks some original Gottscheer dishes. I tried to eat there once but they were closed for the season. I will try again next weekend.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:44:38 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, you lost me.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:44:42 (GMT)
jim h:
Franz, Ridy said my German sounded fine but a little backwards. So does my English.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:47:40 (GMT)
Franz:
We had some very good German Restaurants around our area, but they are starting to close down. Seems like the older generation is retiring and the younger ones don't want to work.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:48:03 (GMT)
Ridy :
Jim - I understand that Lukan's in Hawley cooks very authentic Gottscheer food. Haven't been there myself, but several of my cousins love to eat there.
Franz - that was your first cooking mistake - you were supposed to roast the potatoes in the fire, not burn them!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:50:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, don't listen to Ridy. You know her gender alway likes to be critical.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:50:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, that's why I gave it up. That simple.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:51:38 (GMT)
Ridy :
Jim - you should make an effort to go to the Gottscheer Club in Ridgewood; I'm told the food there is terrific! All home cooked, too.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:51:46 (GMT)
jim h:
German as an ethnic food has never caught on with the nonGerman crowd. French, Italian, Chinese, Japanese and so on. Very rare to hear someone say --- let's go out and have some German food.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:52:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, come to think of it, you are right.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:53:54 (GMT)
Ridy :
Jim - you're absolutely right about that, Jim. When I go to a German restaurant here, the only people there are German
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:54:50 (GMT)
Ridy :
Gute Nacht, both of you.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:57:02 (GMT)
jim h:
Either it is very poor marketing or we just don't have a very enticing cuisine. Also, the wines from Germany are just starting to improve but the type of grape you can grow successfully in Germany is limited.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:57:48 (GMT)
jim h:
Ridy, good night.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:58:29 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy and Jim, however the restaurants I see closing here are not lacking customers, their offsprings don't wont to work that hard.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:58:54 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night Ridy.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 01:59:40 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, did we scare Ridy off?
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:00:27 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Hi and good-bye to all. Got home late. Guess everyone has logged off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund
- A010-0973.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:03:54 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, that was short!
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:04:38 (GMT)
jim h:
Maybe she got hungry. Perhaps she gets emotional about German food. Quiet night on the board.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:04:58 (GMT)
jim h:
Whoa ---- hit and run. Hello and good night, Margaretha.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:05:39 (GMT)
Franz:
It certainly is quiet, I wonder were everyone is hanging out. We celebrated today my Father in law's 81st and my wife cooked and exceptional Sauerbraten with Spaetzle. That was German cooking.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:09:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Seems like we lost our favors with the opposite gender, Hm.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:12:53 (GMT)
jim h:
Franz, time for me to sign off as well. Have a good weekend.
- spider-tq032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:16:11 (GMT)
Franz:
This message is for Mary Thurman, I will be driving thru Canon City next Sunday and hope to be able to pick up a bottle or two or three of good California Red.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:17:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, have a pleasant evening and a good week. I won't be on the next two Sundays, see you later.
- 1Cust158.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 02, 2000 at 02:19:14 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I can't believe I was so busy Sunday night I forgot to chat with you guys. Franz, I hope you realize our liquor stores are not open on Sunday. You will have to come into town on a weekday. But hope to see you.
- spider-tj034.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, October 03, 2000 at 02:26:25 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, I was afraid your county does not sell spirits on sundays, I will have to come back into CC during the week if it's possible.
- 1Cust215.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Saturday, October 07, 2000 at 12:54:34 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:03:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Thanksgiving to all of our Canadian friends. Hope you didn't eat too much turkey. How are we all this chilly evening. What about the news from Serbia??
- A010-0097.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:07:19 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
We will be in CHicago 10-16 to 10-20. Any good German restaurants someone can recommend?? We will be staying at a hotel on Lake Shore Dr. Would welcome any hints.
- A010-0097.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:10:19 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
It's sure lonesome here tonight. WHere is everyone??
- A010-0097.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:20:08 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Margaret and Ridy:
Hope you are doing fine. Ridy, do Canadians have similar traditional Thanksgiving foods as Americans do?

- mod18.new-philly.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:23:05 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Everybody ~
Sorry - had to go off for a while.
Yes - we have turkey, etc. Thanksgiving is actually tomorrow, which is when we will celebrate it. My kids came back from Europe this evening, and I've been cooking for a couple of days now!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:28:20 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Where in Europe did your kids go? Gottschee?
- A010-0097.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:30:42 (GMT)
Ridy:
Margaret - no, my son lives in London, and my daughter and her husband were in France and England for a holiday. But the three of them came back together. Christopher is only here for a few days, but he does get home about once a month
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:33:13 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Sounds like you will have a very nice holiday, with your kids coming and all. Will you have others also?

- mod18.new-philly.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:33:44 (GMT)
Ridy:
E & M ~ no, just the 5 of us. Usually I like to have a large group, but it didn't work out that way this year. And I'm really getting too old to cook for too many at a time!
But I did get the Apfelstrudl made!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:35:39 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Needd to log off. Aur Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0097.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:40:08 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: I know that making the Apfelstrudl takes time and skill. Do you also serve desserts such as pumpkin pie, etc., that are so popular here?
Margaret: Can't help with tips for German restaurants. However, we went to an Oktober Fest Saturday in a nearby community and the food was excellent. Was disappointed that we left before trying the chocolate raspberry stout brownies, served warm. It was very cold and windy and was whipping the tent around!

- mod18.new-philly.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:44:29 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello Anyone still here?
- spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:44:54 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Mary! Have you had snow yet? We haven't, but it is supposed to get down to freezing tonight! Too soon!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:48:04 (GMT)
Ridy:
Yes - pumpkin pie is very popular, and a favorite of mine.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:49:30 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
We are watching the Yankees and Oakland, so we'll say goodnight to everyone. Have a good week. Ridy: Have a great Thanksgiving.
- mod18.new-philly.net - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:52:07 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hi Ridy they had snow in the mountains, but not down here in town. We have had a light freeze here.
- spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:52:21 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Ridy, Happy Thanksgiving. I was not aware of the Canadian holiday.
- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:52:25 (GMT)
Ridy:
I don't think we generally treat our Canadian Thanksgiving quite as seriously as you treat the American Thanksgiving, although it is a holiday. I like the timing, because the weather is usually still nice and that makes travelling much easier.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:56:32 (GMT)
Ridy:
By the way, I was the unhappy recipient of a computer worm today - WScript.kak.worm -- I have the Norton antivirus program and I was able to quarantine it, but it wiped out all my e-mails. Until Christopher has had a chance to go over my computer I won't be sending any e-mails. Don't want to spread it around! But I do notice that it's been out there for over a year now.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 01:59:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I think all American holidays are overblown. I like the holidays and the chance to get together with others but the cards, decorations, etc.,. can detract from it. That being said, I like putting out decorations for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I like Halloween for the children. Do the Canadians have Halloween?
- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:01:18 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Well that is not good. I have been lucky and have never had a virus
- spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:01:29 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
No viruses here. I just don't downloaded anything I am not sure about. My daughter is not so careful and I wonder when I will get hit with one.
- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:03:39 (GMT)
Ridy:
Oh yes - we do have Halloween and the children come trick or treating. Ray is the champion pumpkin carver in the neighbourhood. Decorations are his department and he goes all out.
Mary - it's the second time I've been hit. I had the Happy99 worm - got it from my doctor! Haven't let her live that down yet.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:04:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Can't trust those doctors!!!!!

- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:06:32 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I am not much into Halloween myself.
- spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:06:59 (GMT)
Ridy:
Must sign off now - still have some chores to do, and I have to be up early to get that bird in the oven!
Gute Nacht, everyone, and have a great week.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:07:19 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Went to Hawley, Pa. yesterday. Had breaded pork chops with cole slaw, home made apple sauce, and all the trimmings. Very solid German dinner. At a place called Lukans. Still run by Gottscheers from Nesseltal and Unterdeutschau. They have some relatives in British Columbia. Distantly related to Helmut Kump.
- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:08:33 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night everyone. I was gone all day and am tired tonite.
- spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:08:38 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, have a good night. Rest up after Thanksgiving.
- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:09:19 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, good night to you as well. Will sign off for now but will recheck from time to time. If anyone wishes to chat, just email and hopefully I will get it.
- spider-wi082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:10:16 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night jim
- spider-wg081.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 02:11:13 (GMT)
Urska Stimec:
Guten Tag, Leute!
Ich hoffe, es geht Ihnen gut. Es ist schon lange her, seit ich zum letzten Mal das Gottscheer Plauderzimmer besucht habe. Ich möchte Sie aber nur fragen, ob jemand von Ihnen Die Gottscheer Zeitung liest? Können Sie diese Zeitung überhaupt rechtszeitig in Amerika lesen?
Ich kann Ihnen sagen, dass In Koèevje/Gottschee noch immer sehr warm ist, der Herbst ist wunderschön, die Farben sind prächtig, aber wir bereiten uns schon auf den Winter vor. Dieses Jaht sollte der Winter sehr früh kommen. Die Schwalben sind schön längst nach Afrika geflogen. Ich grüsse Sie alle und falls Sie kein Deutsch verstehen, dann sage ich nur - have a great time and all the best from Koèevje /Gottschee. See you!!! Sometime around...

- AS-109-195.dial-up.siol.net - Sunday, October 15, 2000 at 09:42:22 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Hallo Urska,Die Gottscheer Zeitung kommt hir in Amerika am 6 Tag 6 des monat an.Aber dieses Monat kommt keine Zeitung an weil letztes Monat war eine doppelt Zeitung.Hier in New York ist es auch noch warm,die Vogel singen sie wie in Fruhling.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:10:15 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope you all had a good week. Rainy, but cool here in KCMO
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:13:09 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Anybody out there tonight??
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:15:22 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend, Margaret did you inquire last sunday about German Restaurants in Chicago?
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:16:41 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello Margaret, John and Urska. Hope you are all well. We had a rainy morning in Ohio, but it was sunny and warm during the day.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:16:58 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Yes. I did ask about German restaurants in Chicago. We will be going there tomorrow. ANy good places you recommend??
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:18:14 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello Franz. Ed talked with Adolf Mausser a few days ago and mentioned you wanted to say hello to him. He said he believes you two went to school together in Gottschee.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:20:44 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend, everybody!
Franz - did you get to see Mary when you were out in Colorado?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:22:46 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Hello Margaret and Ed ,I was writing Urska to answer her question about the Gottscheer Zeitung.I told her the Newspaper usually arrives around the sixth day of every month.but there wasn't any paper this month because last month there was a double edition.She said the swallows have left Gottschee and returned to Africa.I told her it was so warm here the birds (mockingbirds) are singing as if it was spring.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:23:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, there used to be a number of them. The better ones I liked unfortunetly closed recently. There is one popular one "The Brauhaus" on Lincoln Square, North Lincoln Avenue about a 15 minute cabride from downtown. Another one would be the "Metro Club" also on Lincoln Avenue

- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:23:34 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Hello Ridy.I hope the weather is nice in Canada too!
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:24:30 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi John!
I guess Urska left that message earlier in the day. I wish it were possible for us to get on at the same time as some of the Europeans -- that would be lovely!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:25:48 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, my answer is a sad no. We were all packed to go to the airport, Instead I ended up in the emergency room.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:27:08 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Danke. I will keep those places in mind. We might not get to eat German, but you never can tell. THank you for giving me the names of the restaurants.
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:27:29 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
We had beautiful weather this past week with temperatures in the 70s. But today is rainy - drizzly - and cool My son was here from England this past week, and he was overjoyed, because he's quite fed up with all the rain they've been having over there. He didn't feel so bad going back today because of the rain here.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:27:39 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Hi everyone,My European friends have internet only at the university so they can only write during school hours.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:28:56 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - I take it from that you never got to Colorado. Hope all is well now.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:28:56 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed and Mary, I think Adolph is probably thinking of my older brother Josef. They are the same age.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:29:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: I hope your trip to the emergency room wasn't anything too serious. Are you well now?
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:29:59 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy and Margaret, thank you for your concern. Two raptored lower discs. Nothing I can't handle.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:32:19 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
John - do you also get the paper from Graz? Did anyone take over from Mr. Schemitsch. I know Mr. Mausser is head of the Gottscheer group in Graz - but do they still put out a paper?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:32:49 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy. Sounds as though your Thanksgiving celebration and visit with your son were very enjoyable.
Franz: We hope you are doing OK. We'll ask Adolf about your brother, Josef.

- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:33:10 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Some advice: I have had a bad back for 30 years. Acupuncture has helped me more than anything else I tried. Several doctors have tried to get me to agree to an operation, but I'd rather try alternative things.
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:33:40 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ridy I do not get the paper from Graz but I would like to read it.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:35:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, on tuesday I will start with rehab, if it has healed enough. Thank you for your tip. Where will you stay while in the "WindyCity"
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:37:04 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: We're staying at the Hilton on Michigan Ave. not far from Field Museum. My husband is going to a business meeting. I am just "tagging along". Spouses tour, shop, etc. while husbands meet.
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:38:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
John - I haven't been getting the paper either - my parents used to get it an pass it along, but that's been a few years now. I got a copy of their anniversary book they put out last year, and it's most interesting.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:40:06 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Packing to do. See you on line next week. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib Gesund.
- A010-0722.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:41:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, Hilton Towers on Michigan Avenue is a great place, I think you will enjoy it. Michigan Avenue is Chicago's pride.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:41:02 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
We had a pleasant surprise this week, after Adolf told us about a relative, Steven Scheschareg, who performs with the opera in Vienna. We found there is a lot of information about him and his performances on the Internet and even pictures of him performing.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:41:04 (GMT)
Ridy:
Margaret - I hope they offer you a tour of all the interesting architecture in Chicago - it really is a very beautiful city. And the shopping ain't bad either!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:41:21 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ridy, I read the Gottscheer Zeitung that comes from Klagenfurt and it is excellent. I look forward to reading it because there is so much interesting information written.It encompasses information about Gottscheers everywhere.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:41:52 (GMT)
Ridy:
E & M -- how wonderful to find an opera singer in your family! That sure got my attention quickly! I shall have to look him up on the internet!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:43:07 (GMT)
Ridy:
John - years ago the Klagenfurter Zeitung published a photo of the Kukendorfer girls, and I'm in it. I must have been 5 yrs old and was helping at a Kranzleinschpindn. Trixie Wyant sent me a copy of the newspaper photo and I've been trying to track down the original so that I could get a clear copy, but unfortunately it appears to have been lost. I had never seen it before.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:46:01 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ed and Mary,Steven Scheschareg had a performance of his opera singing talent here in New York and the audience gave him a standing ovation.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:46:32 (GMT)
Ridy:
John - where and when was this performance?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:47:38 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ridy,I will make an effort to research your photo in back issues and forward a copy to you.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:48:42 (GMT)
Ridy:
Thanks John - but I do have the copy from the paper. I wanted the original and I wrote to Mathilde Hoegler Sapetschnig, who had given it to the paper, but she hasn't been able to find it anymore. Mathilde is a second cousin of mine. I wanted to include it in the book I'm writing but it would come out as just a blurr.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:51:08 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: What were the Kukendorfer girls?
Also, wanted to tell you the thing that really got our family excited was to learn that Ed's grandparents were married by Father Simon Assenmacher, a relative of major league pitcher, Paul Assenmacher. They all love baseball!

- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:51:10 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ridy ,The performance was at the Gottscheer Clubhouse with abot 300 people in the audience.I think it was in february.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:51:47 (GMT)
Ridy:
E & M -- those crazy Gottscheers, eh?! They sure get around into all the professions, arts, sports, etc.
The Kukendorfer girls were just all the young women in the village where I was born, which was called Kukendorf. It no longer exists. I was the youngest in that photo - so it was taken about 60 years ago. Groan!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:54:09 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
John: Adolf Mausser sent us a photo of Steven Scheschareg when he was visiting in New York and attended a Gottscheer celebration with his mother and Adolf and his sister, Hedy.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:55:08 (GMT)
Ridy:
John - the last time I was in the Gottscheer Clubhouse was back about 40 years ago! I hear things have changed a bit since then!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:55:52 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franze - bu pischt Dü? Dü pischt auf oinbag schö stille.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:59:00 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
John: Did you get to see Steven's performance? The picture Adolf sent was probably taken after Steven's performance there. We didn't know the performance was at the Gottscheer Club.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:59:23 (GMT)
:
Ridy,I went to Gottschee last month.There is a bus going there every hour, from Ljubljana.I stayed at the Hotel Valentin and the rate was very inexpensive with a great ham and eggs breakfast included.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 01:59:29 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ed and Mary,I couldn't attend Steven Scheschareg's opera performance but my sister was there and she thought it was great!
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:03:06 (GMT)
Ridy:
The last time I was in Gottschee was in 1963! It wasn't a great experience in those days - before they wanted tourists to come. The food was unforgettable for all the worst reasons, and I had a film taken out of my camera by the police because I was photographing where I wasn't supposed to -- on a street. I'm told it's very different now, but I haven't really wanted to go back anymore. I was interrogated for four hours when I applied for a visa in Zürich back then! But, a lot has changed in the past 40 years.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:04:14 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, mein meul ischt mr oeffn gablibn, mit olle, de grossn leite won dan ir olle drzelet, i bin lei a bintschigas nisch.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:04:20 (GMT)
Ridy:
Oh dear, Franz - you really do have a bad backache and are feeling sorry for yourself! Cheer up, lots of important people have backaches -- which reminds me - where is Jim tonight?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:06:39 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
John: Since Ed discovered his Gottscheer heritage about four years ago, he has found so many relatives he didn't even know existed. We met Adolf and Maria Mausser at the Treffen last year in Cleveland and they have told us about so many relatives and introduced Ed to Steven's mother, also a cousin.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:07:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, et tue di dbarm wr mi, i bat schon biadr muentr schein, lei burt bis da schuenne bidr scheinet.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:09:55 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ridy,The hotel staff couldn't be more friendly and accommodating.They spoke excellent english and the hotel has a one hour photo lab in the lobby.The rooms were immaculate and there was a big polka concert on the main square.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:11:40 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franze - lei trinkn tü a glaschle bein, ottr a liedle sching a drzü, o brnt dr deine Schorg'n schon vergeahn
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:12:52 (GMT)
Ridy:
Glad you had a good experience in Gottschee, John. Did you see any of the villages?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:14:17 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ed and Mary,I knew Steven's grandmother and grandfather,they lived around the corner in Ridgewood.My mother went to school with Steve's grandmother in Gottschee.
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:14:57 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, Schorgn kenne ich jue et, ben i et de mdicine in mischat nam het i schon a flaschle roatn wrtun,
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:15:46 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Ridy,I walked to Grafenfeld now called Dolga Vas.On the way I saw women chopping wood for the winter.I couldn't believe their strength and skill.I made a photo of them and they smiled and spoke to me in German and Slovenian.In the Grafenfeld cemetery there are still gravestones with German inscriptions .
- user-2inij6q.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:19:35 (GMT)
Ridy:
Must log off now - but it's been great fun. Hope you join us all again, John. And Franz - take care of that back!
Gute Nacht!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:20:43 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
John: Adolf also sent us a picture of Steven's grandmother, Berta. We are going to try to attend the Treffen next year in Ridgewood and Adolf promised we'd meet many more cousins.
Ridy: Tell us about the book you are writing.

- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:21:13 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night to All and a pleasant week.
- 1Cust167.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:32:26 (GMT)
John Gladitsch:
Gute Nacht "Aleimitanander"
- user-2inih8g.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:34:39 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Good night everyone. Thanks, John, for all the information on our relatives. Franz, hope your back is feeling better soon.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, October 16, 2000 at 02:39:35 (GMT)
Carolyn S. Cecil:
Hello everyone! Urska, the apple trees and lilacs are in full bloom here also in Illinois. Farmers are planting corn already. Looking for information on Maria Simec b. 18 Sept 1871 in Slovenia. Urska, is the "t" in your name silent? Happy Easter to all...
- cca84.ccaonline.com - Friday, October 20, 2000 at 00:30:19 (GMT)
Guy Lachina:
Hello everyone, I live in Melbourne Australia and have only discovered the Gottschee connection. I found the village name Lachina in a web site created by John Gladitsch. Does anyone know what the words Gemeinde Stockendorf mean. Is it a district or a municipality? Has anyone been to this place or heard of it. I was told that the village was given the name for creating an antidote against malaria using the china plant. (pronounced "keena"). There are also a lot of Lachina folk living in the USA - about 300 at least.
Thank you John Gladitsch for all the work you have done.

- ocmax15-002.dialup.optusnet.com.au - Saturday, October 21, 2000 at 14:33:58 (GMT)
Urska Stimec:
Dear Guy, I have a grandfather and tomorrow I can ask him if he knows anything about Lachina. I can tell you that the word Gemeinde means district. Stockendorf is a village, it is about 70 km far from me (I live in Gottschee), something more I can tell you tomorrow.
- AS-109-177.dial-up.siol.net - Saturday, October 21, 2000 at 17:38:57 (GMT)
Urska Stimec:
Dear Carolyn, my name is pronaunced with "t" - it is not silent. But I had some relatives in USA - I have to check, if there is also a woman named Maria Simec / Stimec... Is she your grandmother?
Maybe I am a little confused - but do you celebrate Easter now in Illinois??? I thought there is autumn as here in Slovenia...Or am I completely disoriented???

- AS-109-177.dial-up.siol.net - Saturday, October 21, 2000 at 17:45:08 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Hi, all. Have company now. My cousins, Pete and Margaret
who have been to Slovenia. They have some really nice pic
pictures.t

- A020-0891.KSCY.splitrock.net - Saturday, October 21, 2000 at 20:42:48 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Dear Guy in Australia. Just want you to know that I have visited the village of Stockendorf numerous times. The cemetery adjacent to the church has been totally renovated and there are plans to repair the church. My grandmother, who was born in nearby Sporeben was married at Stockendorf. Would enjoy hearing from you and will gladly answer any questions you may have. Good to hear from you. Any other Gottscheers near you? Have a good day.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, October 22, 2000 at 19:40:52 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Dear Urska: Good to hear from you again. I very much enjoyed your outstanding work during the Welcome Home Gottscheer Celebration in Grafenfeld last June. Sorry that we did not get to meet but perhaps next time. Greet your grandfather. Have a good day.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, October 22, 2000 at 19:42:42 (GMT)
Ridy:
Guten Abend, Allemiteinander!
Anyone on yet?
We've had the most beautiful weather up here in Toronto - sunny and warm, although it cooled off a bit today.
Is everyone watching the World Series?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:06:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Ridy.
Weather has been good here as well. I am watching/listening.

- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:20:56 (GMT)
Ridy:
I know you're not a dyed-in-the-wool baseball fan, Jim -- are you cheering for either team or just enjoying the spectacle?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:23:44 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Would like all of you to hear and see the stuff about Slovenia that my cousins told me yesterday. However, there's not much of anything left of the villages they were looking for. The cemeteries are pretty much gone too.
- A010-1346.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:25:54 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Margaret!
You mentioned before that your cousin brought some photos - did you scan them? Would love to see them - my e-mail address is ridy@home.com

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:28:22 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello to everyone!
Margaret, I'm sure the info, etc., on Slovenia would be very interesting.
Ridy: We had a beautiful day in Ohio, too. Did you work on your book this week?

- mod11.new-philly.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:31:44 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Sorry I don't have a scanner. Wish I did.
- A010-1346.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:32:10 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
I showed my cousin, Pete Jonke, how to log on to our plauderzimmer. He is really anxious to get in touch with people who know marriage records and birth records. I know many of you regulars can help him. He is really into this family tree stuff.
- A010-1346.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:33:34 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Just checking back in---- I am only interested in a good game. Margaretha, good game by the Chiefs. The best team in Missouri today. Hi, Ed & Mary.
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:34:01 (GMT)
Ridy:
E & M - just a couple of pages; I raked leaves in the garden and the screaming muscles made it hard to concentrate after that! Thanks for making me feel guilty! Actually, I need a bit of nagging. . . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:34:45 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Chiefs are superb, like today, or they stink as a football team. They are not consistent.
- A010-1346.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:35:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
They look like they are getting better. Pretty dominant today. Lucky to have Warren Moon as a backup. Will Elvis be out of the building for a while.

- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:37:35 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Know what you mean about raking leaves. We've got seemingly billions of them to rake this year.
Jim and Margaret: Our Cleveland Browns lost again today, but that's what happens when you start from scratch and lose your quarterback.


- mod11.new-philly.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:39:53 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Will log off now. See you next week. Bleib gesund.
- A010-1346.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:40:13 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello everyone. We have a cloudy cool day in Colorado.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:41:29 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good evening, Mary.
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:42:58 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Mary!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:43:01 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Margaret what village is your cousin Pete doing research in.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:43:42 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I was sorry Franz never made it to Colorado. I was looking forward to meeting him.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:44:24 (GMT)
Ridy:
Do any of you go in for decorating your front yard for Halloween? We didn't have Halloween in Gottschee - it was strictly a religious time, for visiting the graves of departed relatives - All Souls - The time for dressing up in weird costumes was Fasching - the period before lent started.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:45:59 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I am not much into Halloween myself.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:46:56 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
We do some decorating outside. It looks really nice. Our house was "egged" several years ago on mischief night and it hasn't been the same since. I patrol the street to make sure it doesn't happen again. Destroyed some of a nice day for us. We used to enjoy giving out the candies.
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:49:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
Wonder if we'll hear from Franz tonight -- wonder how his back is?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:49:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
Don't understand the term "egged" Jim -- would that mean the house got pelted with raw eggs?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:50:43 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Seems there always has to be someone to spoil a good time.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:51:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, exactly. A bunch of preteens threw eggs at the house and then took off. They did not figure that I would catch them but I got four or five of them. In and out of backyards threw the neighborhood. The youngsters could not outrun an upset Gottscheer.
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:54:56 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, was bedeutet "landwirt"? (Did I type that correctly?)
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:55:36 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
ok what did that phrase mean, Jim
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:56:41 (GMT)
Ridy:
Landwirt would be a farmer -
Landwirtschaft = agricultural business

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:58:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, I believe I wrote what does the word "landwirt" mean. Land is obviously land but wirt is owner or innkeeper. I wonder if the combination means something different. It is one of the occupations listed in the resettlement records.
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 01:59:49 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
ok thanks
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:00:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
If landwirt meant farmer, what does bauer mean? Does landwirt mean a farmer who owns the land while bauer is just someone who works the land?
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:00:51 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
wow all kinds of different meanings huh
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:02:15 (GMT)
Ridy:
Yes, Jim - you wrote it correctly. I just checked it in my Langenscheidts and I'm correct. They give farmer or agriculturist. Just a fancier way of saying Bauer
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:02:52 (GMT)
Franz:
Hi, you all. A landwirt is one with a larger farm who has worker employed.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:08:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Did everyone just take a break?
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:09:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Franz - I've been sitting here, wondering about that - thanks for clearing it up. How is your back?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:10:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Aha, landwirt is a big kahuna when it comes to farms. Hello, Franz. How is the back?
- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:10:10 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Took a break to check in on the World Series game. Hope all of you have a good week. Good night to all!
- mod11.new-philly.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:10:18 (GMT)
Ridy:
Good night, Ed and Mary. Have a good week.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:11:56 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franze - tüat dr Rückn noch beah?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:12:59 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, Jim, thanks for your concern. Unfortunetly I still feel that it is there. Had a horrible last night.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:13:31 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
HI Franz sorry you did not make it to Colorodo.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:13:55 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, is ischt dr buekel, I hon zaviel bosser gtrugn.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:15:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, I missed this trip, I enjoy the ride thru the valleys with all the golden aspen.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:17:32 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franzl - bei lussescht dü et dein Beib trugn - d Beibr hänt sturko
I think I got lost on that one!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:17:52 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Going to sign off for now.

Have a good week.

- spider-tq051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:18:10 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Sorry the reason you missed was a bad back. Hope you will be up and running soon.
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:18:27 (GMT)
Ridy:
'Night, Jim
Take care. . . .

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:18:38 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
good night Jim
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:19:04 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, negschten bag bet is mr schon uebrlegn.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:20:02 (GMT)
Ridy:
Good night, Mary and Franz -- the Sandman has arrived and I shall call it a day.
Enjoy the week!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:21:20 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, Good Night and have a nice week.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:21:27 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night RIdy
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:22:38 (GMT)
Franz:
Looks like everyone is going to sleep. Good Night.
- 1Cust39.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:23:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night everyone
- spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 02:25:16 (GMT)
Lynn Callaly:
Sorry I missed everyone. Have a nice week!
- ilsmpn64.shawneelink.net - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 03:44:22 (GMT)
Maria Perz:
ich bin geboren in Altlag, Gotschee.Wohne jetzt in Österreich.Kapfenberg Grüße alle Landsleute in den USA
- user014.dial-in.leoben.leoxnet.at - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 22:30:52 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Grüß Dich Gott, Maria! Ich war in Kukendorf geboren (1936)und wohne in Toronto, Canada. Es ist recht nett von einer gebürtigen Gottscheerin zu höhren. Melde Dich doch bitte wieder!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 23:25:36 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Grüß Gott Frau Perz. Ich bin auch im Jahre 1936 geboren und zwar in der Nähe von Tschermoschnitz. Wohne seit dem Jahre 1952 hier. Eine Frage: Sind Sie mit Herr Georg Perz, auch aus Altlag verwandt? Er war ein bekannter Musikant. Bleiben Sie gsund und alles, alles Gute.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Tuesday, October 24, 2000 at 00:13:38 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Just dropping by a little early. Will check back now and then. Margaretha, good victory by your Chiefs.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:00:21 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello Anybody here yet?
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:03:52 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hi, Mary.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:06:14 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hi Jim how are you tonite.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:07:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I am doing okay. Finally finished putting in as much of the GHGA information into my file as I can at this time and am actually reading nonGottscheer (although work related) matter. How are you doing?
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:13:11 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope you all had a good week. Rainy in KCMO.Who's logged on tonight??
- A010-1208.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:13:30 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Doing ok. I have been working hard on my Peschel book. I was going to have a print shop do it, but I think I have decided to print it myself.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:14:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
That is quite an undertaking. How far along are you?

- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:15:18 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I need to go back ot the microfilms and start on the other brances of the Peschel family, but not enough hours in the day right now. I have the films on permanent loan so they will be there when I get to it.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:15:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, Guten abend.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:15:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Sometimes our Chiefs can be inspired. Hope they will keepit up. Gunther Cunningham will stroke out one of these days. Have you seen his face during the games??
- A010-1208.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:15:58 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I have the book pretty much formatted. It is about 250 pages long. I keep hoping for more pictures from people.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:16:21 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have tried to think of ways to get the information out of the LDS films and onto paper so that it can be worked on at home. You can print the pages individually at the LDS but that is time consuming and, often, the information from one page on the microfilm takes two pages to be copied.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:17:37 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Will your book be for sale? Would love to buy a copy.
- A010-1208.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:17:56 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Yes I dont think there is an other way to do.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:18:40 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Yes it will be for sale. I am going to end up doing it myself, the way it looks. was not happy with the photo copies at the print shop. Unless you want to pay a dollar a page for the picures, and cannot afford to do that. Have to many pages of pictures. I will let you all know when it is done. It will probably be about 20-25 dollars
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:20:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, I think most coaches get that way. High stress.

Mary, I also looked into microfilm readers and printers. They are expensive. Finally, I purchased a digital camera. Not enough latitude. Some parts are too light and the others are too dark. If I adjust the digital images, something is always a little off. I will keep trying. It is so much easier to have the information at home. I did copy the entire Unterwarmberg family book and it was very easy to get that information into my file once the pages were at home.

- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:20:45 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
It looks like it will be January before it is done, with the holidays coming up.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:21:23 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, do you think a Pulitzer will be in your future?
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:21:50 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I am going to take my laptop to the library when I start to do more coping. I didnot have it last winter when I was reading most of the Peschel films. At least that will save me writing everything by hand. I have databases set up on the computer to do it on.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:23:22 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Not many people on tonight. Guess I will log off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. See you next week. (Wish someone would translate "see you next week" into German. I have a little book of German phrases. Would like to add that one.
- A010-1208.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:24:07 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
LOLOLOl that means laughing out loud for those of you who are not familiar with chat room talk. I dont hardly think so Jim.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:24:12 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Aw shucks. I always wanted to know someone famous and now my only chance is gone. All kidding aside, the book must take a lot of time. Are you close to the LDS family center?
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:25:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Thought about a laptop as well. The keyboard size was always a problem. I could not get used to it but that at least cuts out the step of handwriting it and then entering it later.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:27:06 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Yes I am close. It is only a couple of miles from my house, and Canon City is only 20,000, so we are a small community as they go
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:28:06 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I got my laptop mostly for my genealogy work so I can take it with me whereever I do. Even have a hookup so I can charge it in the car. How bad is that? lol
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:29:45 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
The LDS center is pretty close in NJ as well, however, I never seem to have the time to get there. It has been months. The center will be the only way that I will get anywhere with my father's side.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:30:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Any snow as of yet? Should be coming to you pretty soon. We had a couple of flakes this afternoon on a Winnie the Pooh cold and blustery day.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:32:10 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I have not been to the center much this summer. But as soon as this book is formatted I need to start on my Underberg book. I already those films waiting for me. Most of that work has been done by other family memebers, and I am only adding the finishing touches, and a little more research in Germany. Also have updated some of the other generations quite a bit. Three of my families are very interetwined. The Peschel family was not one of them, tho
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:32:54 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
We had a little rain this weekend, and the mountains had some snow up high. I am in the banana belt, here. Only about 5000 elevation.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:33:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Have you worked on the earlier records for your Gottscheer ancestors? I am pretty good at those done after 1800 but have problems with links further back because much of the wife's information is missing --- sometimes only a first name and very often no parents or house information.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:37:42 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I have worked as far back as the middle 1700's. It is pretty sketchy that far back, but have found enough to make the connections.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:39:48 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, have to break off for now. Will check back later. Hope to "see" you when I get back.

- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:40:12 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
A couple of the films I have ordered have some pretty faint pages in them and it makes it hard to figure things out.
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:40:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ok Jim see you later
- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:40:53 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend -
I'm late today - hope not too late

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:44:48 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy,
Hope you had a good week. We didn't get on the Chat earlier, mainly because we're "footballed" out. Our grandson's high school team won in overtime Saturday night and today our 9-year-old granddaughter cheered for the PeeWee League. Lots of fun to watch!

- mod15.new-philly.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 02:58:39 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Just popped back in to say hello. How are you doing, Ed, Mary, and Ridy?
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:01:43 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Ed and Mary ~
I had a somewhat frustrating week thanks for a computer virus. Lucky for me, Christopher came home for the weekend and now I'm 'safe' again. This time it messed up some other things before I managed to quarantine it. Thank goodness for Norton!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:01:54 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Jim. We are doing fine and hope you and your family are all OK.
Ridy. Glad you got rid of your virus. It's amazing how much you miss your computer if it's down.

- mod15.new-philly.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:06:12 (GMT)
Ridy:
The only silver lining to it was getting a pile of new messages which I couldn't access until it was cleared up. But I really felt lost without it.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:08:52 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend alle, wie geht es allen?
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:10:26 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Everything is okay in frosty NJ.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:10:30 (GMT)
Franz:
We had our second summer, bit cooler today.
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:11:43 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Jim and Franz ~
It's pretty chilly up here in Toronto as well. So far my impatients are holding their own, but not for much longer I fear.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:12:14 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Guten abend, Herr Mausser. Wie geht es dir?
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:12:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, I am amazed. My impatiens bit the dust weeks ago when we had near frost. Only one or two in the more protected areas have lasted this long.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:14:18 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: We like to get on some genealogy pages pertaining to our county and state. We've found some good info on them.
Goodnight to all! Have a good week!

- mod15.new-philly.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:15:34 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, danke besser, hoever on Friday I have to go to the hospital for an Eperdural, did I spell it right?
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:16:08 (GMT)
Ridy:
We live near the Lake and there are lots of high trees around, which helps I think.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:17:28 (GMT)
Franz:
My impatiens are only a memory for this year.
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:18:53 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed & Mary, good night. Ran into some Krockers and Krakers when I researched the name and crossindexed it with Ohio. Unfortunately, birthdates were often lacking and I would have to go to the original records to see if there are any matches with what I have in my file. If you find anything interesting (or even some dull things), send them along if you get the chance. Again, have a good night.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:18:54 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz -
I think you should get Jim up to Chicago to supervise! Seriously, I hope your back is better soon.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:18:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Would be epidural. They inject some local anesthetic and possibly steroids to knock the pain down and reduce the swelling and inflammation.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:20:04 (GMT)
Franz:
Not a bad idea Ridy, yes I hope so too, want to go skiing this season.
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:21:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
There is actually a large radiology convention in Chicago in early December. I won't be going this year but it is a big event at the McCormick center.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:21:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Will be signing off for now. My eldest daughter just came in from California. Will check back.
- spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:22:42 (GMT)
Ridy:
You people with sore backs never cease to amaze me ~ no sooner does your back get better than you're off to make sure you injure it again! All my cousin go skiing and they all complain about their bad backs!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:23:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Thank you Jim, that's would I could make out from my doctors explaination. I am not too good with med. language.
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:23:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, that's funny, I never have any backproblem with skiing.
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:25:02 (GMT)
Ridy:
Gute Nacht, everybody. Still have some work to do before I call it a day. See you next week!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:25:39 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night Jim, was nice chatting.
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:25:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night Ridy, want to come along skiing?
- 1Cust107.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 03:26:52 (GMT)
Carolyn S. Cecil:
Hello everyone! Urska, the apple trees and lilacs are in full bloom here also in Illinois. Farmers are planting corn already. Looking for information on Maria Simec b. 18 Sept 1871 in Slovenia. Urska, is the "t" in your name silent? Happy Easter to all...
- cca67.ccaonline.com - Wednesday, November 01, 2000 at 02:39:46 (GMT)
Guy LaChina:
Dear Urska, thank you for replying. Did you get a chance to speak to your Grandfather? I hope that both of you are well and I can't wait to hear if he knows of the village and its origins. My email address is guylach@netscape.net if you want to exchange letters.
Thank you so much for your interest
Kind Regards, Guy

- ocmax14-051.dialup.optusnet.com.au - Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 12:47:25 (GMT)
Guy LaChina:
Dear Sophia, thanks for replying. Both the villages of Stockendorf and Sporeben are very close to the village of Lachina. Both seem to be to the north-east. Is your grandmother still with you? My email is guylach@netscape.net. I will check the Melbourne phone books for some of the Gottscheer names after my exams in 4 weeks time for you. Would like to hear back from you very much.
Take care, Kind Regards, Guy

- ocmax14-051.dialup.optusnet.com.au - Saturday, November 04, 2000 at 12:58:46 (GMT)
pAUL bRASINO:
hAVE NOT HAVE TIME TO GET BACK ABOUT THE stonitsch & jaklitsch INFO I ASKED FOR, BUT THANKS TO EVERYBODY..i WILL GET BACK AGAIN
- 1Cust206.tnt2.farmingdale.ny.da.uu.net - Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 05:00:02 (GMT)
pAUL bRASINO:
hAVE NOT HAVE TIME TO GET BACK ABOUT THE stonitsch & jaklitsch INFO I ASKED FOR, BUT THANKS TO EVERYBODY..i WILL GET BACK AGAIN
- 1Cust206.tnt2.farmingdale.ny.da.uu.net - Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 05:00:02 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Gute Naben. Hope you all had a super week. KC Chiefs were miserable today. Can't wait to see our sports page tomorrow.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:11:13 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I'm sorry I messed up on that the first time.Anybody out there? Wanted to see if cousin, Pete Jonke
had logged on. He promised he would.

- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:15:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello and guten abend alles. How are you doing Margaret? The Chiefs let the Raiders get too far ahead. Wish it had been closer.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:20:36 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
We are fine here in KC, but disappointed about the uneven performance of the Chiefs. Guess it could be worse. Not too many people on tonight. Wish Pete Jonke would log on. He has a world of info. about our family and some of us may be related to people who log on.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:22:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hopefully he will come on. I think I may have emailed him in the past. The Chiefs needed a running attack and some more defense. Everytime they started to make up some ground, the Raiders would score.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:24:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Located some more Kansas City, Kansas Gottscheers on line. Schemitsch. Are you familiar with anyone in your area with that name. It seems to have been changed to Sajnic or something like that.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:26:29 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Kansas City, Kansas, has many ethnic communities. THere are many Croatian, Serb, even Russians and Poles there. THe Croatian community works very hard to keep alive their heritage with music, art, cooking and a museum.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:28:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
This particular line stretched back to the 1700's in the Unterdeutschau parish. Came over in the late 1800's and changed their name once or twice since.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:30:53 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Do you have an active Gottscheer club in your area? New York, I think, is still active. I moved before I knew much about my heritage. New Jersey has a smattering of Gottscheers but, like me, they are immigrants from Brooklyn/Queens.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:32:22 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Sorry I can't help you. If I do hear of any people with that name, I'll let you know. I have a friend whose grandparents came from Bohemia. The kids made fun of their last name, so they changed it. Maybe something like that happend to others.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:32:54 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
KCMO has not active Gottscheer club, but there are plenty of us who have an informal group, like the group that went to Cleveland treffen.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:34:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I understand about the name change. Even in Gottschee there were variations of the same name based on the language of the parish priest. Bounced back and forth between German and Slovene.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:34:21 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there Jim & Margaret,
What's new? We are going to celebrate Aurelia's 80th birthday next Saturday.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:35:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
The informal group sounds good. Do you get together often? Since many of the midwest Gottscheers came over fairly early, were there still some that came over after WW 2?
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:36:15 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Holly: That's great! 80 years is certainly a milestone. And many more to come, I hope.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:36:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Holly. Glad you are here. Wish Aurelia a happy birthday from your online friends.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:37:02 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi everybody!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:38:29 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
We call all of the people in the informal group "cousins" Not actually, but near enough. In my father's family the older children came before WWII, the younger ones didn't get outt and so spent the war in or near Graz. Lots of interesting stories about that.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:38:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, must have sent out eight or nine email "feelers" to bulletin board posters and/or Gottscheers that posted elsewhere online. No responses. Go figure. Did add some names to the file for family lines that seemed to disappear from Gottschee.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:38:52 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
yes, Margaret. She is from very good Gottscheer stock. she looks great and still works 4 days a week as head of laundry at a nursing home.
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:38:56 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello everyone!
If you think the Chiefs were bad, you should have seen the Browns! But the Cavs have won their first three games, so there's hope for us Cleveland fans yet!
There was a very nice article and photo in the Cleveland Plain Dealer recently about the Gottscheer Club at Cleveland and told about the history of the club and also the history of the Gottscheers. Very nice!

- mod12.new-philly.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:38:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Ridy. Margaret, only one of my closer relatives came over after the war and he died well before I had enough sense to ask him questions. He was my godfather but I did not know him well.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:40:32 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Jim,
How is your resettlement input going? that is a daunting project for me. everytime I look at it, I think how much you already have in your computer. I don't even have the family book of Altlag in my computer. I am still working on Tschermoschnitz birth records when I get a chance.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:41:06 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed & Mary, Ernest Koenig faxed me a copy of that article. The place sounds great. Will have to visit one day.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:41:45 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
I think longevity is bred into the Gottscheers. All of my relatives (on dad's side) lived to be late 80's or better.Grandma and Great Grandma were 96. And they were fairly active all of their lives.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:42:04 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi Ridy, Ed & Mary,
Ridy, how is your book going?
Ed and Mary,
How is Teri and her husband?

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:43:33 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, I have gone through the resettlement book and have large chunks of it in my file but only where it links in with the family books and marriage files that I have looked at. It is too bad that the resettlement records are not in a sortable database. I guess 1941 was too early for that.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:43:39 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0760.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:44:05 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Margaret,
I agree with that. At least the women in this family appear to live long healthy lives.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:44:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Longevity ---- possible. My grandfather died young and my grandmother did not make it past the mid sixties. My mom is going strong in the mid seventies range. Just retired as a bookkeeper in the old Bushwick neighborhood.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:45:24 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
good night Margaret. Nice to "see" you.
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:45:36 (GMT)
Franz:
Wow, seems to be a busy evening. How is everyone doing?
Oh yes, the Bears won.

- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:45:50 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Guten nacht, Margaret. Give Peter a nudge about visiting the chat room.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:46:02 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there Franz.
How's the back?

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:46:43 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Franz. Chicago up, Cleveland down, New York half and half. I was rooting for Cleveland but they need a lot of help.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:47:01 (GMT)
Franz:
Holly, thanks for asking, I think I might survive.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:47:39 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
ha ha. That sounds like my husband's favorite quip.
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:48:15 (GMT)
John :
Hey, this is a great site, I moved down to Maryland, does anybody know if there are any Gottscheer clubs around?
- dns-248-229.dhcp.nai.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:48:35 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello again - I signed in and then answered a phone call.
Great to see so many of you on tonight.
Worked on my book all day today, and right now I'm ready to chuck it all in the garbage! How's that for honesty?!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:49:03 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Holly: Teri and Joe are fine, and have winterized their camper. Thanks for asking. Hope to meet you at a Gottscheer Club event sometime. Teri said we missed you at the Treffen last year.
We want to place a file folder in our county genealogy library containing information about the Krocker/Kraker family and the Gottscheers. Not too many people here have ever heard of a Gottscheer!

- mod12.new-philly.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:49:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, it was a close one with the Bears. Being ahead 27 to zip and allmost loosing it, but we will take this rare one.

- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:50:10 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
wouldn't it be a nice idea to start listing Gottscheer clubs?
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:50:30 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - I thought all the Bears would be asleep by now!
When do they go into hibernation?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:51:57 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ed & Mary,
Is Joe staying out of the hospital now? Stones all fixed?

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:52:05 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, John. Welcome to the chat room.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:52:13 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ridy,
that is called draft #1. just keep going.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:54:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, temper, temper..... Don't do anything rash. I smell a movie or TV series coming from the book. Gottscheer Place or The Battling Farmers.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:54:47 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Thanks Holly -- I needed some positive encouragement today!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:55:24 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, we Chicagoans thought our Bears were hibernating thru all the football season, but the came back.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:55:26 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Jim - Not if I'm asked to take anything else out! That's what the temper tantrum is about today. . . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:56:06 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy, Franz and John! Hope you are all doing fine. Franz, how is your back? Holly: Joe has been much better and hasn't had any recent trips to the hospital. We're keeping our fingers crossed.
- mod12.new-philly.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:56:21 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
My Cowboys are hurting me but the Vikings make up for it a little bit.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:56:20 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
or "Ancestors of the Fantabulous Ridy Skyrme"
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:56:53 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Oopss..... It sounds like you need a little schnapps or variant thereof.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:58:12 (GMT)
John Herbst III:
Hi Jim and Ridy,
Jim,
I have question? You sent me a message asking about Johann Herbist and Maria Eppich, but I believe you wanted to know about Johann Hogler and Maria Eppich? Am I right?

- netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:58:29 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Holly - had to read that twice -- I thought you typed "Fatabulous" --
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:58:32 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello everyone
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:58:49 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Holly: Joe hasn't had to make any recent trips to the emergency room.
Hi Ridy, Franz and John. Hope you are all doing fine.

- mod12.new-philly.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:58:53 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
maybe Ridy's Rangers. All kidding aside. Ridy, just keep it going. Even with things left out, it will be informative.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:59:37 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
oh, oh, too much truth. Seems like they don't like to remember what it felt like to be a Gottscheer.
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:59:51 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
John - that sounds like somebody I'm related to (at least they're not giving me any grief!)
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 02:59:55 (GMT)
Franz:
Hi Ed & Mary.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:00:23 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:


- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:01:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Yes, Johann. That is correct. Herbst, Hogler, Heimann. Too many "H" names. The information you sent linked up a lot of names. I thought that was how it should go but one never knows.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:01:28 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gee - that empty space looks like my book --
but it was an accident - honest!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:01:44 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, do you need any input in your roman?
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:01:56 (GMT)
John Herbst III:
Ridy,
They are probably related to you. They are from Tiefental #1. Jim has been working on some resettlement records and need some info on some Hogler families.

- netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:02:01 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
oh Ridy,
that was funny. I checked back to make sure I hadn't spelled it wrong. You must know that I love the word fantabulous.
Hi Mary.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:02:26 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franze - pei insch ischts schon kaut. Pei ei ah?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:02:51 (GMT)
John Herbst III:
I'm pretty positive Johann is the one that belongs to that family. I can't confirm it positively, but would put wager on it in Vegas.
- netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:03:20 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz -
I have a lot of input - it's the output that's giving me heartburn! Do you have any to offer? - input, I mean

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:04:12 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Mary!
That Slovenian language site has been a lot of fun! Amazing how much I remember when it's right in front of my nose!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:05:10 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, heint ischt noech a scheaner tog geban, dei boeche schoel es unhefn ze ragn.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:05:12 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy I am glad you are enjoying it. Did you go to any of the other links on the top of the page.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:05:53 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Mary Thurman,
did I remember that you have Underbergs in your family tree?

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:06:10 (GMT)
John Herbst III:
Jim,
It was funny that you made that slip of the keyboard because I have a Johann Herbst married to an Maria Eppich.

- netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:07:01 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, take some malox.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:07:22 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - lei vroa schei as Dü et atüm in Europa pischt - schei hont schon schneab atobn afn pargn
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:07:33 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly yes my maiden name is Underberg. Have you found some?
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:07:34 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary -
yes, I've checked out a lot of what they have on there.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:08:32 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, inscha parge in Colorado hont yu a schon schneab.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:08:57 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
I have met a Gottscheer decendent named Marge Light. She can't place here family but she did send me the cemetary records. "St. Josephs -Sugar Creek, Iowa"
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:09:23 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Well I am glad I sent i to you Ridy
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:09:36 (GMT)
John Herbst III:
Night All!
- netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:10:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
John, based on mostly your information, the Tiefental line stretches back to the 1700's and forward to the early 1900's. However, not too many interconnections with other lines including mine and Ridy's. I am not sure that he links up with yours either.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:10:27 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
ok, I give up, what is this Slovenian site you are all talking about??
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:10:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly, I have corresponded with her. The Underbergs she has are distant relatives, and there are some Sterbenz married in somewhere.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:10:38 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Goodnight, John. Thanks again.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:10:50 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
My Grandfather was born in Sugar Creek.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:10:56 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly, It is a sight in Aol that I sent Ridy the webpage for.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:11:50 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly would you like it also?
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:12:52 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - just thought of a question nobody has answered for me - maybe you can. Where was Sternthal located?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:13:28 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz: Eric Kraker, our friend and good Gottscheer cousin from Cleveland, recently talked on the phone with Karl Tramposch of Minnesota after learning Karl's family had lived in Komutzen #8. That is the same house number where three generations of Eric's family had lived many years ago. Eric said they had a nice chat.
- mod12.new-philly.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:13:45 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Mary,
How exciting.
Bernard Underberg b. 3 Oct 1876 d. 3 nov 1876. son of E? & K. ?
Louis Underberg b. 1880-1965 of Bernard Underberg& Catherine Brown

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:13:50 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, the Light family is a puzzle. Goes back to Sterbenz and Kapsch. Should be related to something either your or my information. Still no link. Has to be in a birth record somewhere.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:14:17 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Yes Holly, they were from a brother to my great grand father.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:14:39 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Yes Mary, I would like the site info.
Now tell me where your Underberg family emmigrated from. Hopefully it will get us closer to Marge's family.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:16:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, Sternthal is in todays slovenia, I think somewhere between Marburg (Maribor) and Cilli. I will have to look at a map from Slovenia and figure out the slovanian name.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:16:49 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Mary,
How about Peschel, Catherine b. 1872-1884 of J. & M. ?

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:17:29 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly, I think she is related to the Sterbenz family more directly. And the Sterbenz family married the Underberg family here in the USA. My Underberg family is from Raefeld, Nordrhein, Germany.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:17:52 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly, I have not found a connection to that Peschel yet.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:18:27 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I dont know if Marge remembers that we corresponded a few months ago or not.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:19:15 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed and Mary, yes I know of the Tramposch, they were good friends of ours. I certainly would like to get in touch.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:19:25 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
oh, darn. How about Sterk?
- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:19:27 (GMT)
John Sorli:
HI all,
I just wanted to let you know ,especially John Herbst if he logs on or Arnold Nadler out in Illinois,that I attended the funeral of a Gottscheer cousin this past Thursday. She was Sister Elfriede Konig b.28 Dec.1929 in Klindorf 48-d. 28
Oct.2000 in Maryknoll N.Y. She was the daughter of Alois Konig ( son of Anton)b.21 July 1894 in Altbacher d.21 April
1967 in Graz and Friedericka (Frieda) Nadler b.10 July 1904
in Ort #4-d. 20 Jan. 1986 in Graz. Sister Elfriede was the grandaughter of my grandmother's brother Georg Nadler who
was a soldier killed in WW 1 at age 40 and Josefa Samide (b. 17 Jan.1880-d. Ort#4 7 Nov. 1938. Sister Elfriede joined the Maryknoll Order in 1954 after arriving in the U.S. in 1950. She spent many years serving the poor in
Chile. She was a wonderful person, and despite being in different parts of world always kept the family together with her visits to family members in Texas, Florida , Canada, and Graz. She is survived by brothers Josef, Engelbert, Ernst, and sister Marie Hlawaty all of Queens NY, and brother Arnold of Graz as well as many nieces and nephews and cousins all over. She lived a very full and
dedicated life and she always did things her way. God bless. Our family will miss her!

- dialup-63.210.208.168.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:20:30 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz - I downloaded (is that a word) a map of present-day Slovenia today -- so far I've figured out that Krsk was Gurkfeld; Brezice was Rann; Novo Mesto was Rudolfswert; Maribor and Celje are obvious. But Sevnica and Zidani Most I can't place. Among others
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:21:06 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly, a Mary Sterk married one of the Underbergs, and they did not have any children. Mary Sterk's fathers name was Joesph and her mother Margaret.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:21:28 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
that wedding was also in Usa. Iowa I am pretty sure, probably Sugar Creek also.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:22:03 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy or Franz, can you tell me...was Novo Mesoto a town and an area also?
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:23:23 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Is the Sterk name Gottscheer also?
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:24:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I will have to get back on this, I will have to call my sister in Kapfenberg, she is much better with the slovanian names.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:24:15 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi John Sorli ~
Sorry for your loss. But you were obviously blessed to have had Sister Elfriede in your family.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:24:26 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, crosschecked all of my Sterbenz, Kapsch, and Iowa names to see if there is a pattern. The Sterbenz surname was in a lot of parishes while Kapsch was mostly in Tschermoschnitz, Stockendorf, and Unterlag. The Iowa surnames are a smattering of here and there ---- Tschernembl, Unterwarmberg, Pollandl.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:24:30 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Mary,
that Sterk was the daughter of Josef & Margaret Sterbenz. any idea where Sterk came from? I am hoping to find one of these names that lead us to a Gottscheer village.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:25:31 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, Novo Mesto is a town just west of Gottschee.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:25:41 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz: Will find out from Eric how to get in touch with the Tramposch family and let you know.
Good night to all and have a good week!

- mod12.new-philly.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:26:40 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Franz, where would Mirna Pac, Novo Mesto be then?
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:27:19 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, sorry Novo Mesto lays east of Gottschee, lost my bearings.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:27:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, the Sterk surname was mostly seen in the Unterdeutschau/Unterlag parishes. Not very common. The Sterk you mentioned is probably related to Marge Light. Josef Sterk married Margaretha Sterbenz. Maria is probably their daughter.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:28:03 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
John,
sorry to hear of your loss.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:28:11 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Holly, do you mean Mary Sterk's mother was Margaret Sterbenz?
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:28:34 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
John, condolences on your loss. I agree; sounds as if she led a very full and fulfilling life.

- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:28:52 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Novo Mesto was a large town -- Unfortunately the book I've got here is all in Slovenian (by Valvasor) but the sketches have the German names on them -- that's how I can tell what's what - but I can't read what the narrative is
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:28:59 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, must be a smaller village part of Novo Mesto.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:29:05 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ok I can add Magaret's last name to my family tree then. Did not know it was Sterbenz.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:29:48 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Jim,
yes that is accurate. I have checked my records and I still have not been able to place her family so I had hoped that we could narrow it down by checking the other villages.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:30:24 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Franz,Is Novo Mesto a parish then, not just a town.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:30:27 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mirna Pac isn't on the map I have, Mary. Must be a smaller place. I'll see if I can find it in another book I have - and I'll e-mail it to you. Remind me.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:31:43 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, Novo Mesto being a larger town could have more then one parish.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:31:50 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, most of the information for Marge appears to be heading in the Unterlag/Unterdeutschau area. I have inputted the majority of both marriage files into my file and Georg Sterbenz and Maria Kapsch are not in there. I could recheck since there are a few names that I did not link up.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:32:53 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ok, A Plautz here in Canon City came from there and I have been trying to tie him into my family.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:33:32 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Ridy and Holly,
Thanks. She is related to John Herbst throgh his Ziegelfest
line and she also decended from Stimpfls in Hoheneg. Don't you have some Stimpfl connection in Hoheneg,Holly?

- dialup-63.210.208.168.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:34:46 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
John,
yes, our family is connected to Stimpfls of Hohenegg #6.
I haven't done much work on that family line.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:36:48 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Thans also,Jim.
- dialup-63.210.208.168.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:37:31 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, Mary, Ridy, John, Holly, Good Night and a pleasant week to all of you.
- 1Cust150.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:42:02 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
I agree with Franz,
It is past my bedtime. take care all and thanks for the help.

- ashdial-186.suite224.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:43:12 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night franz
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:43:15 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night Holly
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:44:16 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Adieu, Farewell, Auf Widersehen, Lahko noc, goodbye -
it's been fun, but time to call it a night.
See you all next week, I hope

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:44:23 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Goodnight everyone. Will be on a cruise ship next weekend, so see you in two weeks.
- spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:45:39 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Holly, I've done a lot on Gottscheer lines ,but have just copied some Hohenig records, but haven't done much with them. Deena Segot has some Stimpfls from Katzendorf and came up with a house list on Katzendorf and Hohenig. She just mailed me a copy.
- dialup-209.246.72.254.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:45:51 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, have a great time on the cruise.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:46:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
It certainly was a good one. Hope everyone has a great week.


- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:47:22 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Goodnight everyone.
- dialup-209.246.72.254.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, November 06, 2000 at 03:47:52 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
I am looking for members of the Josef Eppich Family of Ebental. I have a photo of the family showing a young, well dressed man along with probably his mother holding a baby. They are joined by a Gottscheer from America. Photo is from around 1941. Would appreciate any information. DANKE SCHÖN.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, November 09, 2000 at 03:33:20 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
The following message from Martha Hutter will be of great interest to many of us who visit the chatroom. Mark it on your calendar! I'll have to wait until March to see it in the Toronto area. . .
Our Tri-State TV station 21 has produced an one-hour program titled THE GERMAN AMERICANS, which will be aired on Tuesday Nov. 21, 8PM, PBS channel 21 in the NY area. I was invited to the focus group where the producer explained his intent and we voiced our gripes about German Americans being so
sidestepped by all the Media. The producers actually told us they were trying to change that very practice, and were hoping that people will respond to the program and start a dialog that will find an echo in the public. One step at a time. The program will be aired nationwide on local Public Television stations in March 2001.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 14:52:19 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, that's our GIRL.
- spider-mtc-tf031.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, November 11, 2000 at 16:28:38 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Gottscheer Greetings from Minnesota. I hope you are all well. I look forward to reading your many interesting exchanges of sharing and caring. Can anyone help me in identifying the following villages and where they are located. I am assuming Untersteiermark. They are: Mraschau,Podlog, Gross-Podlog, Zirkle and Nussdorf. I THANK YOU one and all and enjoy your visit.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:42:24 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Ridy, thanks so much for sharing the information from Martha Hutter. Will announce it in the upcoming issue of the Gottscheer Connection. I, for one, look forward to seeing the special. Take care.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, November 12, 2000 at 22:43:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good evening, Ridy and Trix.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:10:27 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Sorry to be late. Well, the Chiefs really made KCMO look bad today. Gunther looked like he would explode. Hope everyone had a good week.
- A020-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:11:55 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Actually, that was last evening. Has anyone made it to the room yet?
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:12:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, sorry about the Chiefs.Why are they so erratic? They looked like they were building into a solid team.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:13:06 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
People say the weather in Missouri is so erratic that you only have to wait one day for it to change. Guess the Chiefs are like that, too.
- A020-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:14:24 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Not many people logged on tonight. Guess everyone is busy. Can't stay on much longer. Had hoped cousin Pete Jonke would log on some Sunay. Guess he's busy, too.
- A020-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:18:54 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret, Jim ~
Is everybody freezing?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:22:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sorry, about the delay. Had a problem with the dishwasher.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:24:25 (GMT)
Ridy :
Give her a hand, Jim - or a raise!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:24:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Weather will be in the low 50's to low 30's all week. Nothing out of the ordinary. I don't like the bleakness of late fall but don't mind the cooler temperatures. Good temperatures to work outside and get up a sweat.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:26:31 (GMT)
Ridy :
Still have a few hardy geraniums and the mums, but other than that the garden has called it quits for the year. I've put away my gardening gloves for the year.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:29:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy----- :) . We have the mechanical kind and I do help out. I am the meister launderer. How do say that in German?
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:29:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I still have some mulching to do and fix some spots in the garden. The Halloween mums have just about had it and I will leave them in place just in case one or two decide to show up again next year.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:31:05 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles Gute.
- A020-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:31:53 (GMT)
Ridy :
Let's see -- meister is master; don't remember translation for launderer. But the machine is called Geschirrspülmaschine
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:32:05 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Been emailing with Trix about Josef Eppich. Wouldn't it be nice if things match up with the picture. Hopefully, he will think about joinging the GHGA.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:32:37 (GMT)
Ridy :
'Bye Margaret!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:33:04 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I will not call myself the master washing machine. No way. Langenscheidt's has a word for laundress but I won't use that either. A man has to have standards you know.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:33:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Margaret. Keep pestering Peter. Maybe he will show up one day. Would be nice to compare information.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:34:46 (GMT)
Ridy :
I'm thinking that right about now, Mary is enjoying a nice after-dinner-drink on the cruise. Bet it's warm where she is.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:37:18 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ahhh!! She may be on a cruise but she is missing this witty exchange in the chat room.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:38:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Warmth, cruise ---- why would we want that when we can have cold and damp. My next blast of warmth will be in March and I can't wait.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:40:15 (GMT)
Ridy :
I've been trying to figure out how to paste a funny joke on this chat window, but it won't work. Deo gratias.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:40:47 (GMT)
Ridy :
Well, you better figure out a way to warm up NYC at the beginning of December, or I'm staying home!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:41:52 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Very interesting reactions to the phone calls I made today. The first person I contacted was born in 1958, related to a family from Tiefental but did not want any genealogy information even though I would have sent it to him for free. It is not as if I were trying to raise funds. The other could not have been more congenial and offered to pay for any costs associated with sending him the information.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:42:55 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I will put in an order for a very late Indian summer just for you. Email me with the dates so that I can be more date specific with my request.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:43:56 (GMT)
Ridy :
That just about sums up the Gottscheer character, Jim -- prickly and sweet, or sweet and sour, take your pick. And now I'll duck under my desk!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:45:14 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Please put on a helmet.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:47:15 (GMT)
Ridy :
One-size-fits-all is too small.
Wonder where Franz and Mary and Ed K are tonight? And Holly? And everybody else out there in cyberspace?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:49:05 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I get some very good responses to my inquiries but others never return the email despite having posted questions looking for information. On a different note, I am thinking of taking up basketball again. That should be great for my back but I miss the competition. What sports were played in
Gottschee? I know the Blau und Weis is a good soccer team in the US but I don't know if soccer was played in the old home town.

- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:50:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
They are probably sitting on the sidelines waiting for us to put something erudite in the chat room before they jump in enthusiastically.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:51:43 (GMT)
Ridy :
I don't know of any sports - other than hunting. There must have been some. . . .skiing in winter. . . .mostly they just danced every chance they got.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:54:26 (GMT)
Ridy :
Well, jumping in would be a sport. I know they had 'Turngruppen' - but I don't know what they actually did, other than physical jerks. Don't know where Joseph Schleimer learned to box, but he was in the Olympics (before my time)
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:56:42 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi everyone!
Sorry we're late getting on tonight. Hope everyone had a good week. The weather has still been nice here in Ohio, but could change this week.
Earlier we read Ridy's message about the PBS special. I hope we will be able to get it here. We've already told some of our kids about it.

- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:58:43 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Back to my phone calls, the Erich Eppich that I spoke to in Florida is Jim Sigmund's second cousin once removed. He is also a second cousin once removed to the first person that I called. He is John Herbst's fourth cousin once removed.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 02:58:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Ed and Mary or is it Mary and Ed?
On the Gottscheer tape, they seemed to be playing a game that looked a little like bowling. Anything on that???

- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:00:24 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have never gone hunting. Many people like it. Basketball has been my main sport. Not a lot of speed or finesse but a good sense of the game and plenty of drive.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:01:42 (GMT)
Ridy :
Yes, you're right. There was an outdoor bowling alley in Ebental and I understand most larger villages had one. And as far as I know, it was one lane. period.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:02:09 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: It's Ed and Mary, because Ed is the Gottscheer and Mary is just the typist! You know, Gottscheers like to be first!
- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:02:36 (GMT)
Ridy :
I'm fairly certain that basketball was not practiced in Gottschee. But don't forget, they were long-distance walkers - walking was the usual mode of transportation. So exercise was not a problem.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:04:29 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
So you do the talking and she does the typing. I learned typing in grammar school many years ago and have been thankful ever since to Brother Gerald Francis, ex marine and grammar school teacher.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:05:16 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Was there a name for the bowling? Kegeling or something like that??
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:05:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
There are a couple of Slovenia basketball players but that is a recent development. Basketball was even a big thing in the US in the 1930's. High school and college but not much excitement on the pro level.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:07:19 (GMT)
Ridy :
Kegelscheiben or Kegel spielen - I think
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:07:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Kugel; not kegeling. Kegeling may be related to Olympic beer drinking.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:09:03 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Have you been working on your book again?
Jim: We have sent for your Unterwarmburg Family Book. We're sure there will be some good family info in it.

- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:09:35 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
You are right with Kegel. Kugel is something else. My Dad used to bowl all the time. The alleys were always smoke filled.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:10:16 (GMT)
Ridy :
-:)
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:11:21 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Ed & Mary,
did Teri show you the information that I had sent her a long time ago? If not, I can email a text file for you to look at. The file is eighteen pages long. Your graphic tree is seventeen pages but I don't know how to email that format.

- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:12:47 (GMT)
Ridy :
Ed and Mary: You are a couple of naggers! But yes - this was a good week and I got another chapter done.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:13:04 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ed's dad bowled twice a week for more than 40 years and really enjoyed it. He was very good and was inducted into our county's Bowling Hall of Fame. He was also inducted into the county Baseball Hall of Fame.

- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:13:15 (GMT)
Ridy :
Sports were never my forte. I recall throwing a strike in the neighbouring lane one time and being kicked off my team in disgust. It was the only strike I got!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:15:31 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: Teri has showed us some of the things she has, but if you want to e-mail a text file, that would be fine. We'll also check with her again. Thanks!
Ridy: Keep up the good work!

- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:16:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed & Mary, are you familiar with the Gottscheer Hall in Cleveland? Do you know if they have a list of Gottscheers who have lived in the area? Ancestry.com has a lot of Gottscheer names in the Cleveland area in the 1910 range but not the birthdates.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:17:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Just email me with your address and I will serve up the file asap. I compared it with the file that you had done and there were a couple of discrepancies. Teri was going to look into them. I will send you what I have.

There were 10 Krakers in the Ohio 1910 census.

- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:22:27 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: According to a Sept. 1990 copy of the Gottschee Tree, pages 4 and 5, a large number of Gottscheers settled about 1900 around Holy Trinity Church at 7211 Woodland Ave., and along the shores of Lake Erie. There are at least 100 families listed and they were called the "Woodlanders." Sources were Rev. John Wittreich and Frieda Klocker.
- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:23:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Did they list the names of the settlers? If it did, can you send me a copy of the names?
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:25:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, wasn't much good at bowling either. More of a social event. I think a strike is a strike regardless of the lane. Your neighbor probably appreciated it.
- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:26:26 (GMT)
Ridy :
That's interesting, Ed and Mary, that they were called the "Woodlanders" because in Gottschee the people in Ebental, Tiefental, Setsch and Kukendorf were called the "Baudnare" (bad phonetic spelling!) because the area where we lived was called "Walden" = Woods
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:27:23 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: We'll send you a copy of the info we have to your home address listed in the membership list of the GHGA. Our address also is listed there, or we can e-mail it if you want.
- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:28:57 (GMT)
Ridy :
Gute Nacht, everyone.....my cat has just announced that she's going to bed, and it's time for me to head in that direction as well. Have a good week and see you next Sunday!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:30:50 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Perhaps that's how Woodland Ave. got its name.

- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:31:01 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Goodnight everyone! We want to catch the news report about the Browns big win today.
Jim, we'll mail copies of the list of Cleveland Gottscheers to you.

- mod39.new-philly.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:34:34 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Snail mail is fine or you can use email. Either one. I printed out the ten Krakers listed in the 1910 index. Very frustrating. I would bet that 8 of the 10 were from Gottschee.

Good night, Ridy. Take care and wear that helmet.

- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:34:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Thank you, Ed & Mary.

Have a good week.

- spider-mtc-tc012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:35:19 (GMT)
Franz:
I am sorry I missed you all, see you next Sunday.
- 1Cust254.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 13, 2000 at 03:43:24 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Mir geht es gut. Wi geht es Dihr? Did I get that right? Am trying to put some German phrases into my messages.
- A010-0057.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:14:32 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Nicht so gut for the Chiefs. Lost again. Oh well. There's always next season.
- A010-0057.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:15:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Maragaret,Guten Abend. Mir geht es auch gut, danke. You did just fine.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:16:48 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Margaret. Hope you had a good week. Sorry we can't help you with your German phrases. We would like to take a course in "basic or easy German" sometime, however.
- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:17:37 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, how was your stay in Chicago, did you have a nice time?
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:18:07 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Danke. I keep trying. Happy Thanksgiving, while I think of it.
- A010-0057.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:18:17 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Super time in Chicago. However, no time to go to German restaurants. The guides told us about some good German places still owned by 3rd generation people.
- A010-0057.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:19:46 (GMT)
Franz:
Hi Ed &Mary, how is the turkey doing?. I would like to know if you have the phone # from Tramposch. I would really like to get in touch with them. It's a long time ago, but I have still found childhood memories.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:21:34 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello Franz: Hope you are well and your back is better. We have the address of Karl Trampusch, formerly of Komutzen, and we will e-mail it to you.
- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:23:42 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, I am glad to hear you liked the WINDY City, they have done a great job to with it.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:25:13 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: I know you have back trouble. Have you ever tired acupuncture/wearing magnetic bracelets.
Sounds odd, but it has helped me. My daughter-in-law got me 2 bracelets because my back is so cranky.

- A010-0057.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:27:16 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed & Mary, that would, be outstanding. I still remember when our parents got together in the evening us kids did the same. Komutzen was on a hill and we used to sled on home made sleds down the center of the village. I have not been able to e-mail you the photo o9f Komutzen, if you would not mind and e-mail me your address, I will mail you a copy of the photo.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:29:47 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesundt. Happy Thanksgiving. See you next Sunday.
- A010-0057.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:32:52 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Franz: We'll include our mailing address when we e-mail the addresses of Joseph and Karl Trampusch. We also found their phone numbers. That picture of Komutzen will be the best Christmas present we'll get!
- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:35:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Guys, thank you for asking. I think I am on my way to recovery.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:35:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, Ed, Mary,Margaret. Good evening.

- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:37:19 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed & Mary, the photo is already a copy of copies, therefor the quality is not the best, but it is still OK.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:37:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, if you could email the photo, I would appreciate it as well. The internet is great for sharing these things.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:38:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Evening Herr Heimann.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:38:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed & Mary, thanks again for the list. Wish I could have made more connections.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:39:17 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, absolutely. Just E-mail me your address.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:39:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Guten abend, Herr Mausser. I am going to try to get to Chicago next year for RSNA but I am sure it will be cold. Perhaps we could get together for a bit or two.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:40:41 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, oops, as I explained to Ed & Mary I have trouble e-mailing it. I could make a copy for you and mail it if you e-mail me your address.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:41:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have lost yours but Ed & Mary have mine. E & M could you do me the favor of putting my email in with all the others.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:42:06 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, that would be extraordinary.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:42:38 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have a nice macro lens at home and may be able to zoom some features. Depends on the picture. E & M can you do the same for my regular address? Danke.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:43:32 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello Jim! We are still looking through all the material you sent and really appreciate it. Ed's cousin (on his mother's side) just about fainted when she learned about all you'd sent. She said she's desperately hoping for a distant relative who can give her as much information!
Franz: Don't worry about the quality of the photo. We'll pour over it and show it to all our kids!

- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:44:32 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, dont worry about the cold in Chicago. I had to get used to it too.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:44:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, I have been surprised to find out how many Gottscheers went to Joliet in the late 1800's. Do you know if a lot went to Chicago?
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:47:18 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: We'll be glad to include the information when we e-mail Franz.
- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:47:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, I am sorry, but I don't have a notion. As far as I know there are not too many in the Chicago Metro area. once in a while I run into some. I also did not put any effort into research.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:50:56 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
E & M, if you and your relatives can, I would appreciate a good checking to see if there are errors (hopefully not). Also, I appreciate any information about the families that you can send my way. I am always interested in the whys, whens, hows, wheres, and so on. The more I get in the file, the more complete information I can share with others. Which cousin was that?
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:51:40 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, you never explained our cousin link or Ed's.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:52:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, das tut mir lied. Did I use that phrase correctly? I am always interested in where "we" settled. Gottscheers originally settled in areas where the manual labor was similar to the jobs they did in Europe -- Joliet for the steel mills, Pennsylvania for mines, Vancouver for the lumbar industry, Iowa for the farming, Brooklyn for the beer drinking ......
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:54:23 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, the phrase is right, except lied is SONG, you probably ment leid (sorrow, sorry)
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:57:08 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: The cousin in on Ed's mother's side and is not a Gottscheer. However, she is interested in genealogy and is always combing around for ancestors, etc., also on her husband's side. Ed's grandparents were the only Gottscheers in this county that we know of. They lived in Pittsburgh, Pa., area for several years, moved to Bridgeport, O., and then came to a little mining community here named Wainwright about 1914. Ed's great-uncle, Joe Kraker (Krocker), also came here and the men worked in the mines.
- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:58:12 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, It is difficult to pinpoint without printing out separate ancestor lists and then crosschecking for common names. You and I genetically cross paths ten times with the closest relationship fourth cousins once removed. Ed and I cross nine times with the closest half third cousins.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 02:59:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed& Mary, my paternal grandfather worked in the coalmines too, in the beginning of the century, the last mail we received from him was in 1946 from Harrisburg.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:01:04 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
How is that for mangled German. The old countryside must be howling. You and Ed are crosslinked seven times. Closest is fourth cousin.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:02:27 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Goodnight all you Gottscheer cousins and we hope you have a nice Thanksgiving. Franz, we'll e-mail the information to you right away.
- mod9.new-philly.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:07:58 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, I am not surprised. They did not mix with slovanians, therefor there had to be some relative marriages. This happened to a lot of German settlements in all the slavik and hungerian etc. countries. My wife was born in a German village in Rumania, similar history.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:08:33 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, have to bounce off for a few minutes.
- spider-mtc-tf073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:09:06 (GMT)
Franz:
Thank you Ed & Mary. Happy Thanksgiving. Leave me some stuffing, will you?
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:10:04 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, if I don't catch you anymore, have a Happy Thanksgiving.
- 1Cust159.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:16:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi everybody!
Anybody still here?

- CacheFlow.packetworks.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:17:03 (GMT)
Ridy:
Guess not -

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

- CacheFlow.packetworks.net - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:17:56 (GMT)
Jim:
Ridy, I have just gotten back.
- spider-mtc-tf064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:29:02 (GMT)
Jim:
As with Ridy und Franz, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I will recheck shortly to see if anyone else is checks back in.
- spider-mtc-tf064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:29:55 (GMT)
Jim:
Good night to everyone.
- spider-mtc-tf064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 20, 2000 at 03:34:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello and good evening to fellow Gottscheers. If anyone signs on while I am cruising the internet, just send an email and I will zip right back. Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving.
- spider-wq083.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 01:59:07 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello everyone, and also hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. My kids and grandkids and I baked our Christmas cookies this weekend. A lot of work, but fun too.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:03:34 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Jim, Mary and everyone else listening!
Mary - how was your cruise?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:18:27 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi everyone. Hope you all had a good Thanksgiving. We certainly did, but now we are still recuperating!
- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:18:44 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy, the cruise was wonderful..
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:21:18 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I am ready to go again. Weather was beautiful, food was wonderful.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:22:19 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Welcome back, Mary. Hello, Ed & Mary, Ridy.
- spider-mtc-tg011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:22:25 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guter Abend. Hope you all had lots of turkey and dressing.
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:22:36 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Ed and Mary!
Enjoyed the article you wrote, Mary, which Teri sent along.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:22:46 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
OOPS! Guten Abend. Sorry. ANybody out there??
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:23:22 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Anyone see our CHiefs play today? Wonder how long Gunther will be with us??
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:24:34 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret!
You are all making me hungry! Since the Canadian Thansgiving is the second Monday in October, it's only a very distant memory. But it gives us more time to work up to a good Christmas -- that's about as much turkey as my husband will tolerate in one year.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:25:05 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Margaret, I am going to be in Fargo area next weekend, I am taking your sons phone number along
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:27:02 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: We received the Unterwarmberg Family Book Saturday and Ed has already found a lot of interesting family info.
Ridy: Teri likes to put "family things" on the internet. Which story did she send?

- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:28:15 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Super! Now I know Murphy doesn't quite fit on the plauderzimmer, but we welcome the Irish, too, into the family. Variety is the spice of life.
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:28:46 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Well, Thurman does not fit either, so I suppose I should add Peschel to my name. lolol
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:30:59 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
E & M -- she sent two; one about bargain hunting and one about the ball park
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:32:18 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Did any of you see the awful messge in the visitor section, and is there any way it can be removed?
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:32:27 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: How do I get to the visitors section??
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:33:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Margaret, if is under the Gottsche pages on the Kump/Staudacher home page.

- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:34:59 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Wonder if Helmut Kump can get rid of it?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:35:45 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I wonder if I should email him, or if he has seen it already
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:36:21 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
What happened?? I Lost part of my messages and didn't get an answer to my question about getting to the visitors section??
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:37:28 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Margaret, if is under the Gottsche pages on the Kump/Staudacher home page.


- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:38:01 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Wouldn't hurt to e-mail him, I would think
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:38:14 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ok I just sent Helmut an email. We will see what happens.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:42:10 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Do any of you have deer hunters in your families? Monday is the opening of deer season here in Ohio _ and Ed, two of our sons and three grandsons can hardly contain themselves.
- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:43:44 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Couldln't find the message you were speaking of.Maybe ai didn't look in the right place.
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:44:24 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
My two sons and soninlaw went elk hunting a couple of weeks ago, and they brought home a nice cow elk. Meat is good.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:44:40 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Margaret, there is a Gottschee Pages on Hulmut Kumps home page, with a visitors to this site section. You have to go to the newest entries. It is the last one.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:46:17 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Mary: Do you have special secrets to preparing the elk meat? The venison is good, too, but you have to know the right ways to prepare it.
- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:46:51 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Time to log off. AUf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0010.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:49:55 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
No special secrets. They seasoned some for breakfast sausage, and some Italian. The ground meat we usually use for chili, and such. I dont care for it grilled. Except the steaks we grill like beef. It is good and tender.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:50:03 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi again - had to go off for a while.
I got a lot of information on hunting when I was in Kitchener this past week. Apparently some German hunters would come to Gottschee anywhere from two weeks to three months to hunt bears, boar, deer, anything that crossed their path. That was before the beginning of WWII, of course.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:52:08 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Mary T.: We use the venison in much the same way.
Ridy: Are you still working on your book? When will it be available?
I guess we'll say goodnight. Want to catch the latest on the presidential election on the 10 p.m. news. Have a good week everybody!

- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:53:56 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy, were those hunters of the upper class, or pheasants like the rest of us????
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:55:17 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
good night, Ed and Mary -
am still working on the book, harder than ever, and the harder I work the further behind I get.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:55:54 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary -
LOL - ringnecked ones, I'd say!
Faber, of the pencil empire, was one of them

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:57:34 (GMT)
:
Gruess Gott und Servus Alle.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 02:59:57 (GMT)
Ridy:
I just got knocked off again - twice in one night - what am I doing wrong? or right?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:01:58 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Hi everyone! Did anyone receive the e-mail from Mr. Tschinkel From Florida regarding the GHGA joining an umbrella group in Austria that supposedly has some former
Nazis in positions of influence ? I'm a little confused , but if what he says is true , then I would be concerned. The GHGA has done a lot of good in preserving Gottscheer
culture , and I've encouraged people to join. I t would be a shame if the progress they've made would be somehow jeopardized. Would anyone like to comment or add any info on this regard?

- dialup-209.246.65.178.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:02:21 (GMT)
Ridy:
I'll take one guess about the mystery guest -- Franz?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:02:27 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi John -
I got a copy of Mr. Tschinkel's e-mail. I don't know anything about the Gottscheer Arbeitsgemeinschaft -- but I would think the membership should have been notified before the GHGA decided to join any other association. That would have been common practice and any other group I've belonged to. It would also have given everyone a chance to make their opinion heard beforehand.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:05:12 (GMT)
Franz:
Do we have a president? No, not Canadian, Texan.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:05:49 (GMT)
Ridy:
We don't have presidents in Canada - we have a Prime Minister - and we'll know by tomorrow night - unless we've picked up yet another bad habit from south of the border!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:07:10 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz - how's your back doing? Will you be able to go skiing this winter?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:08:28 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, thanks for asking. I am still weak on my left leg, however Unkraut verdirbt nicht und Mistviech stirbt nicht. Ya I plan to go skiing sometime in Feb. or March.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:11:25 (GMT)
Charles:
I'm surprised no one has commented on Tschinkel's e-mail concerning GHGA joining up with AG (Austria). This is serious Gottshee business. All members with e-mail addresses were receipients. Doesn't anyone care?
- max1-121.max1.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:11:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
had some computer problems.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:11:56 (GMT)
John Sorli:
I appreciate your comment Ridy,and I guess I would have to
agree with you, that the membership should have been consulted, especially if the organization could be considered at all controversial. I for one would like more info from both sides so I can understand the situation better. I would also like to see more discussion from other members.

- dialup-209.246.65.178.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:12:15 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I care, but do not know enough about any of it to make any comments.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:13:08 (GMT)
Franz:
Charles, this is the first time I hear about it. I doubt anyone would be interested to have any connections wiyh that past.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:14:15 (GMT)
Ridy:
Charles ~
Do you have any information on the AG? I've been trying to find out what it's all about but haven't come up with anything. I don't doubt Mr. Tschinkel's statements - I'd just like to find out more about it. I'm not personally familiar with any of the people he mentions by name. Does anyone know the facts? I'd really like to know what it's all about.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:14:59 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy I just got a message back from Helmut and he said he erased that message.
- spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:15:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary - Good! I'm glad that's possible.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:16:25 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I agree that the allegations are serious. However, I am not sure what Mr. Tschinkel is accusing the AG of. Is it because he doesn't agree with the groups agenda or is there something wrong with the agenda itself. As far as the names he mentioned, that would have to be verified. Hopefully the GHGA will be answering some of our concerns.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:16:31 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Thanks Mary and Charles. I too don't know enough about it. I was hoping someone out there might be able to shed a little more light on the situation,if not this week then perhaps next.
- dialup-209.246.65.178.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:16:45 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
The GHGA has done a lot to bring the history of Gottschee to the internet. I hope they will give us more information.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:19:02 (GMT)
Ridy:
Charles ~
Do you have any background information which you could share with us?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:19:14 (GMT)
Franz:
I am puzzled. If true, what is to be gained by it.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:21:09 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
It seems that noone knows anything about the AG but Mr. Tschinkl. I looked it up on line but did not get much from it. There was a list of the Gottscheer organizations on the site including GHGA but not much else.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:24:35 (GMT)
John Sorli:
I was thinking that perhaps someone from the GHGA could address our concerns on the Plauderzimmer ,perhaps next week. I'm not trying to criticize them , because I think they've done a lot of good . I think the questions raised deserve a response,and what better place for a frank informative discussion than right here.
- dialup-209.246.65.178.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:25:00 (GMT)
Ridy:
John - I agree with you - it would be nice if somebody made all the facts available to us on the Plauderzimmer. Hope it turns out to be a tempest in a teacup.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:27:29 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
The GHGA may not want to get into it in such a public venue especially since there has been a threat of legal action but perhaps they could do what Mr. Tschinkel has done ---- email the members with their response.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:27:41 (GMT)
Franz:
After the Umsiedlung in 1941 there used to be a Deutsche Arbeiter Gemeinschaft,DAG. The name does have a certain smell.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:29:16 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
What happened to Charles??? He seemed interested in the discussion but nothing since. Maybe his computer had a problem.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:30:09 (GMT)
Ridy:
Jim - stop thinking like a lawyer. If there's nothing wrong and nothing to be hidden, the Plauderzimmer is as good a place as any. Plus e-mail.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:30:09 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
What does the Arbeiter Gemeinschaft mean? That whole time period is very fuzzy for those Gottscheers whose families had emigrated before 1930.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:31:24 (GMT)
Ridy:
Interesting Franz - one of my aunts just explained to me about the DAG -- I remembered the initials but didn't remember what they stood for.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:31:47 (GMT)
Ridy:
It just stands for "Association" In other words, GA stands for Gottscheer Association
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:32:43 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, simply put, It's like a government organized union.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:33:38 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, sorry but lawyers are real and lawsuits are potentially terrible things. Been there and done that. Won the suit and lost a lot of money.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:34:04 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Do you think the "AG" is the "offspring" of the DAG.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:34:51 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, amen to lawyers.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:35:15 (GMT)
Ridy:
You're right, Jim. I lost the suit and lost a lot of money, and still have the scars and the aftereffects.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:35:15 (GMT)
Charles:
Jim, I just wanted to get the discussion going. Perhaps the GHGA board will respond to our concerns. Meanwhile, I will e-mail Tschinkle and ask him to join the Plauderzimmer next Sunday and explain the situation a question at a time.
- max1-121.max1.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:37:28 (GMT)
Franz:
My oldest son practiced law, quit the profession in disgust.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:37:48 (GMT)
John Sorli:
I just got knocked off. Franz, I think Tschnkel may have been referring to some connection to it. I think anyone with info should make it avaiable to members, but what better way than an open discussion. Both sides can explain their positions ,and then everyone can have the benefits of our questions and comments. We are certainly not questioning the good faith of the leadership of GHGA, but there always the possibility that they may have made a good faith error in judgement.
- dialup-63.210.217.96.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:39:45 (GMT)
Ridy:
Thanks, Charles! I'll look forward to next Sunday.
Gute Nacht, everyone, have a great week

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:40:36 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, lei schluf guet.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:41:14 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Good night everyone! Hopefully next week someone may provide a little more info.
- dialup-63.210.217.96.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:44:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I am going to get some shut eye. Good night to everyone.
- spider-mtc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:44:31 (GMT)
Franz:
I think it is time to say Good Night.
- 1Cust26.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 03:44:53 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Be careful about acknowledging a person who wants to be divisive ,a person who hasn't done anything for the Gottscheer culture.Gottscheer people have helped each other for over 600 years and we have survived the most difficult times by being a united people.
- user-2inig96.dialup.mindspring.com - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 05:50:58 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Excellent point, Bernhard.
Thank you for making it on the Plauderzimmer.
Hope you join us on the Plauderzimmer on Sunday evenings.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:21:30 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Got email from my cousin, Lotte, that there is some weird stuff on the Gottscheer Heritage bulletin board. Something to do with Nazi sympathies, or maybe neo-Nazis. Has anyone heard about this?
- A010-0989.KSCY.splitrock.net - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 22:00:36 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
My cousin just emailed. She has cancelled her membership in the Gottscheer Heritage group. SHe seems to think membership in this particular organization is a very poor choice. Guess this is serious.
- A010-0730.KSCY.splitrock.net - Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 22:11:02 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Hello to all.

I was invited to join you tonight by Charles Merkelz. I hope to provide answers to all questions as well as I can.

- spider-mtc-tc031.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:09:37 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Guess what Margaret,I am going to join the Gottscheer Genealogy group because they have are giving Gottscheer culture a prominent status in the USA and helping to protect Gottscheer monuments in Slovenia,furthermore they are promoting Gottscheer unity by helping Gottscheer people in Europe and building unity with other Gottscheer groups.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:11:00 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Thank God for the Gottscheer Zeitung it is the voice of Gottscheer people all over the world.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:13:12 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Much emailing back and forth from me to my cousins (all Jonkes). One cousin cancelling membership. One cousin saying don't be hasty. ANother saying she will ask her uncle Frank Mausser in Ridgewood. See what he thinks.
- A010-0852.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:18:38 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Anybody out there tonight? Would like to get some information about this situation. WHo knows what's going on? PS Did anyone on the plauderzimmer go to the Fargo,ND area. DId they call my son, Mark?
- A010-0852.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:21:47 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Margaret you have to be careful about the words you are writing,you are slandering people without correct information and knowledge.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:23:26 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Bernhard: I'm very sorry. I don't really understand this situation, so I'd like some information. What I'm repeating is second hand. Hope I didn't offend anyone.
- A010-0852.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:25:08 (GMT)
Charles:
John Tschinkel: Would you be satisfied if Mr. Lampeter was no longer involved or in any way associated with the AG. Would you then support the GHGA ?
- max1-118.max1.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:26:09 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Charles,There are many Gottscheers named Lampeter,who are you writing about,specify by first name.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:28:51 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Bernhard, So now you're going to join the GHGA because of this contoversy? Where have you been all along? You sound like an apologist for somebody. We're just trying to get some info ,so we can reach some conclusions.
- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:31:19 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Everyone: Let's all be careful. Things are getting a little "testy". John is correct. We need information.
- A010-0852.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:33:31 (GMT)
Charles:
Bernhard; There are probably other Wilhelm Lampeters too, but Mr. Tschinkel knows of whom I am speaking.
- max1-118.max1.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:34:38 (GMT)
Bernhard:
I just heard recently of their good work in getting the USa government to protect our Gottscheer monuments in Slovenia just as the USA government is helping to protect the monuments of other ethnic groups who have ancient monuments in Europe.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:36:36 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
I was invited by Charles Merkelz to join you. I will answer all questions as well as I can.
- spider-mtc-tc041.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:39:22 (GMT)
Bernhard:
O.K. John you want to know something about Gottscheer history?The resettlement of the Gottscheer people saved thousands of Gottscheer lives.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:40:08 (GMT)
John Sorli:
What exactly is the USA government doing to protect Gottscheer monuments in Slovenia? I would hope it's more than they did to protect the mosques and people of Bosnia!
- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:42:09 (GMT)
Bernhard:
John,Many Gottscheer churches and monuments were removed by the Tito regime in the 1950's,now Slovenia is becoming democratic country.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:46:52 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sorry to log off early. Hope to be here next Sunday for more exchanges of information. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0852.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:47:24 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Bernhard, Please tell us what you think of Wilhelm Lampeter, and his alleged role of collaboration with Hitler
and his henchmen in the movement of the Gottscheer people from their homeland.

- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:48:35 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!
- dialup-209.245.101.2.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:54:19 (GMT)
Bernhard:
After World War 1 ,the Gottscheer people lost many cultural rights like German language in their classrooms.They could not continue to be members of Gottscheer clubs.they could not run for political office.They asked for help from the Wilson administration to be a sovereign state like Lichtenstein but to no avail.Germany wanted to help protect our cultural rights.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:56:12 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Answer to Charles. I have sent to all of you my booklet. Have you read it critically and hopefully unbiased? The answers to your questions are are all there.

The direct answer is NO. In addition to SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Wilhelm Lampeter as "Honored Member" and "Cultural Adviser" in the AG there are several former Nazis in that organization. In addition the AG is associated with many exterme right wing Associztion as mentioned in E. Nicks letter to you all. Joerg Haider is an active supporter.

I would also like to respond to Bernard who talks about divisiveness and what have I done to further Gottscheer Culture. I am translating the most accurate book on our history for which I am devoting 1 year of my life. I travelled twice to Germany at great expense to get the translation rights which members of the AG tried very hard to prevent. According to Bernard, only effort which is "in line" seems to count. What about the truth??

- spider-mtc-tc041.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:56:23 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
I see it is getting heated tonight!
- dialup-209.245.101.2.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:57:11 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Germany supplied transportation for ethnic Germans to bring them to safety,away from the communists who promoted nationalisation of Gottscheer property.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:01:27 (GMT)
Bernhard:
The truth history happened you cannot judge people after the fact that thousands of Gottscheer lives were saved during world war 2.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:06:18 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Bernhard is correct. If it wasn't for the Germans my parents would not have existed. The slovenes, italians, turks etc. have mudered thousands of Gottscheers for hundres of years. As for Nazis a part of the Gottscheer heritage, remember there were many Gottscheers fighting during the war as SS soldiers. They did or else.
- dialup-209.245.101.2.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:06:55 (GMT)
John T.:
JT to Berhard. It is obvious that you have limited knowledge of the history of those times. (most Gottscheer do not because the AG has made it a point to obscure and rewrite it). You have not read my summary of Frensing or if you have are denying its content.
In 1941 Tito and the communists were a marginal factor in Slovenia. Most people had no idea he even existed. you better read some history.

- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:11:03 (GMT)
Bernhard:
I am referring to innocent ethnic German civilians who were tortured and murdered just because they were German.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:11:16 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
John are you from Gottschee?
- dialup-209.245.101.2.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:12:52 (GMT)
Bernhard:
What about the "Domobranci" who were murdered because they were anticommunist.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:12:53 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Bernhard,
I understand the discrimination that the Gottscheer people suffered after World War I . What I do not understand was
how the movement of the Gottscheer people from their home of 600 years to a completely different area ethnically cleansed of Slovenes by the Third Reich contiributed to the preservation of Gottscheer. Was it really in the interest of the Gottscheer people, or rather to further the grand
design of the Madmen of the Third Reich. The question being asked ,as I see it, is what role did Lampeter and Lackner and other have in deceiving the mass of Gottscheer people ,and what was the extent of their collaboration with
the Nazi as Mr Tschninkel says recently revealed records show. If this is true then I think we as a group should
look at this ,and raise it with the A G. What is their role
within the AG?

- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:16:43 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Tito and his group wanted to nationalise the property of the all landowners.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:17:02 (GMT)
John T.:
John to Bernhard - you are just repeating what you have heard. Give us some facts. Remember the Gottscheer resettlement was the cause for Ger4man ethnic cleansing of 37,000 Slovene. Onl 1/2 survived the slave labor camps in Germany. Even the SS sturmbannfuhrer Lampeter,in his study on Yugoslav attrocities after the war could not list one single killing of a Gottscheer in the camps the AG keeps talking about. Read some history Bernhard.
- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:21:20 (GMT)
Bernhard:
The Gottscheer people lost all the rights as Austrian citizens when Gottschee became part of Yugoslavia.They had no other choice,only Germany offered to help Gottscheer farmers to modenise and become self sufficient.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:21:45 (GMT)
John T.:
To eduard. Yes I am from Gottschee. I wet through the umsiedlung as a 10 year old. Please read my booklet.
- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:23:42 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Bernhard,
The Gottscheers didn't have to worry about their property
being nationalized by Tito. Thanks to their Saviors, they
were moved out and lost thier land and cultural community
anyhow. Why didn't the Reich protect them from the Italians.
Was it was because they were in bed with them and ceded the Area to them?

- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:25:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good evening to everyone. I have read all the messages this evening and there is some truth to most of the statements. Without going into great detail, if there are individuals currently involved in the AG who were instrumental in holding back significant information from the Gottscheers prior to the resettlement, the GHGA should rethink its association with the GHGA.

Yes, I am sure that relations between the ethnic Germans and the Slovenes were deteriorating after WW I. Yes, the situation promised to get worse across time. Yes, whatever decision that would have been made would have had its drawbacks.

But ------ the full extent of the resettlement including its location, and the relocation of the original inhabitants should have been crystal clear to the rest of the Gottscheers. If it was not, and, to the best of my knowledge, it was not---- then the GHGA should have nothing to do with those responsible for withholding that information and propagating misleading and false statements to promote the resettlement.

The other issues about property, politics, compensation are all secondary.

- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:26:51 (GMT)
John T.:
The domobranci were anti communist who allied themselves with and went under the Nazi occupiers. As a result they were seen as colloborators of the occupier by the liberators (yes communist) and summarily shot as trairors.
- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:27:28 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
I guess no one wants to respond to me. Some of you know nothing of the true history. Bottom line - We may be Gottscheers or of Gottescheer heritage, but we are all Germans. I wear my Gottscheer Crested ring every day to remind where my parents and relatives came from and what they lived through before, during and after the war. These accounts are the facts of History. Lets leave it alone and move on, but keeping the Gottscheer Culture alive as my relatives do within the Gottscher Zeitung, etc.
- dialup-209.245.101.2.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:28:23 (GMT)
Bernhard:
John,Why don't you talk to Gottscheer survivors who starved in the camps of the Tito regime.My aunt's children were taken away from her in the camps and she was never seen again.My uncle got his children back after much paperwork and heartache.My Gottscheer neighbor crawled out of a pit of dead people shot by the Tito regime and survived by faking death.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:28:31 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Anyone who was against Tito was branded a collaborator.It is an easy way to smear someones character.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:31:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Also, we should be clear as to what may have portended for the resettled Gottscheers. I relate a short email conversation I had with a woman named Rabuse. Her family had moved from Gottschee to Germany well before WW II or the resettlement. Despite considering her family one hundred percent German and had lived in Germany for a generation and possibly more, they were not allowed to join in certain organizations in Nazi Germany.

Can you imagine what would have happened to the Gottscheer culture in general and those Gottscheers with nonGerman names and, God forbid, possibly some nonGerman blood in them?

- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:32:17 (GMT)
Bernhard:
The "domobranci" were Slovenian landowners and farmers who wanted to protect their land from being taken by the Tito regime.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:35:29 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Nice to see you on line ,Jim.
- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:35:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Eduard. I agree with keeping the culture alive and that the work of the GHGA and organizations like it is vital to that end. I just have reservations about an association with individuals who may have done the Gottscheers a great disservice in 1941 for their own ends.
I certainly do not deny that many Gottscheers would have been killed had they not done something but they should have been given all necessary information. As recent events in that area have shown, ethnic hatred & distrust coupled with politics have led to many killings and war. I don't think it would have ended any differently in 1941. I think the Gottscheers would have been treated poorly no matter how it turned out.

- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:37:36 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Jim The fact is that most Gottscheers survived because they were resettled close to the Austrian border.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:37:38 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
I agree Jim.
- dialup-209.245.101.2.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:38:54 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Bernhard, that is not the relevant point.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:38:57 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Bernhard, Let's cut to the chase!
Tell us what you think of Hitler , the Third Reich, the
effort to bring all the people of German ethnic background
under the Third Reich? Do you think was really concerned about the interest of the Gottscheer people?

- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:40:45 (GMT)
Bernhard:
The language and the people survived.Land does not disapear it can always be returned to the rightful owners by democratic laws.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:41:54 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
It was good fortune that the resettlement ended up where it did and I agree that the new area was more conducive to saving lives but the issue is what did the Gottscheer leadership know and how much did they hold back from the Gottscheers while forcing/persuading them to move. If those leaders are alive, they should not be viewed with honor and the GHGA should not be associated with them.

Please, notice there are several "ifs" in the above paragraph. I think more information and discussion is needed before a decision can be made.

- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:42:24 (GMT)
John T.:
I have no interest in arguing individual cases or discuss history with those who defend certain points with a lot of baggage. It is true history that counts. Unfortunately the true events of the loss of our homeland are being rewritten by those who wish to propagate only the perspecive they like. I mean the AG.
I made a task to translate Frensing into English. Twice the formar Nazis tried to prevent it. The GHGA, the association dedicated to our history, to whom I offered the translation for free turned me down.
I think the Gottscheer are being fooled again. The old network still seems to be intact. The unwitting are again being drawn in. I for one protest. Elizabeth Nick labelles my effort as scurrilus words. The AG treathened to sue me as has Avgust Gril. My point: do not disagree with the Gottscheer leadership or else. A differing opinion is not permitted.

- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:44:24 (GMT)
Bernhard:
They were supposed to liberate the Gottscheers but they turned around and gave the land to Italy.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:45:09 (GMT)
Bernhard:
August Grill is a very courageous person.He is trying to get the ethnic Germans(Gottscheers) in his country the same minority rights as were granted to the ethnic Italians and Hungarians in Slovenia.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:49:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Eduard and John Sorli, I bid you a fond goodnight. My mother (a Gottscheer) taught me to know when I may be wasting my breath. In this case, it appears that reason is going to be a casualty of invective and "true believers". John T., I will certainly read the translation when it is finished and if it is available. That may not mean that I will agree with all that it or you say.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:51:41 (GMT)
Bernhard:
To disagree is one thing but to denigrate Gottscheer people who cherish and try to preserve their own culture is anti-gottscheer.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:54:35 (GMT)
Charles:
I believe Dr. Nick's response to members is excellant and proper. This is the 21st century, not 1941. Leave the past behind, war is war and there were atrocities on all sides. I would like to thank Mr.John T. for his enlightening information and now move on to preserve the Gottshee heritage.
- max1-118.max1.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 03:56:42 (GMT)
John T.:

- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 04:05:26 (GMT)
John Sorli:
How should we view the Nazi collaborators? With honor ?
I for one say we should view them with contempt as decent people of any background should. Moreover Gottscheers should ask ,did they withold the truth and deceive their own people to perhaps further their own power? If so then
the GHGA should make it clear that they condemm these individuals and publically disassociate ourselves from them.
We have a responsibility to preserve the past for our children ,but our children someday will judge our actions
today. I think today my feelings would reflect the feelings
of my deceased grandmother (who had both a deep love for both her family and her homeland) and my deceased father.

- dialup-209.246.74.140.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 04:06:38 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Amen and good night.
- user-2inij3i.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 04:08:05 (GMT)
John T.:
I will respond, point by point to E. Nicks letter.and send you all a copy. I agree with Charles to leave past behind but this should also apply to the AG who keeps defending false history. I am again being labelled anti-gottscheer because I am defending the truth.

Good night to all, JT

- spider-to012.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 04:12:42 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder
Was die Mode streng geteilt.
Alle Menschen werden Brüder
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 04, 2000 at 21:19:25 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Ridy,
Very appropriate! The "Ode to Joy" from Beethoven's 9th Symphony, and in any language, words to reflect upon especially this time of year.

- dap-209-114-166-113.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 02:21:09 (GMT)
Helmuth:
This discussion has been going on since the events that precipitated it occurred. As a Gottscheer member of the first generation born after the events of WW2, I must say that I heard both points of view among Gottscheers ever since I was old enough to understand Gottschaerbarish. They have always been heated on both sides. 40+ years has not changed that (apparently); I wonder if another 40 will, or 80, or whatever.

And although I am not as familiar as others on this board about the details of the organizations involved, I have to wonder how much of this is true concern about the Gottscheers' legacy and how much of it is actually furthering a particular agenda.

(cont.)

- dap-209-114-166-82.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 02:40:39 (GMT)
Helmuth:
(cont.)
For the record I do not feel that I "owe" my life, my parent's or grandparent's lives, to any government or regime because of their deeds or misdeeds 50 years ago. Call me naiive but the human spirit is stronger than wars and dictators. Gottscheers were put in the position of making gut-wrenching decisions about their future, and to second-guess what-if this or that would have happened is futile at best, irresponsible at worst.

May I suggest, if you want to preserve the heritage, you should teach your kids or grandkids eine volk lied. That's what our ancestors would have wanted us to remember about Gottschee anyway.

- dap-209-114-166-82.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 02:42:36 (GMT)
...:
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- 207.159.233.155 - Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 16:18:42 (GMT)
Helmuth:
One other thing. I am very glad to see that all viewpoints are expressed. That's why this forum is here. Along with everyone else I have an opinion as well.
- dap-209-114-167-137.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 17:36:13 (GMT)
Franz:
Wow, I guess I missed some interesting conversation, buas denkescht due, Ridy. Bia geats mit dein bueach schreibn?
- spider-wq073.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 23:50:37 (GMT)
Franz:
Wow, I guess I missed some interesting conversation, buas denkescht due, Ridy. Bia geats mit dein bueach schreibn?
- spider-wq073.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, December 06, 2000 at 23:50:39 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ja, Ridy, bia geats mit Dein Bueach schreibn? Bischt Du burm in Toronto? Hat Ihr Schneab? Franz, von bu in Gottscheab bischt Dü? Bes Dorf?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 00:29:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, griass di goett, I bin von Komutzen/Unterwarmberg.Von bu bischt Due? Bu bunescht due anascht?
- 1Cust235.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 06:14:08 (GMT)
Franz:
For what it's worth, here is my take: After WWI when Gottschee became part of Yougo., the slovene tried to extinct the german language and culture. Now let's be objective, our folks had no TV, radio and very limited newspaper access and whatever was available was diluted with propoganda and promises. Everyone was trying to hold on to our heritage. Yes there were pro and con's. There was sadness in leaving your property behind, however what was the alternative? Hitler made the deal with Mussolini and that was it. I think not too many were happy after the umsiedlung. As a child I remeber hearing the adaults debating. I think it does not make any sense to debate it now and trying to place the blame. It's over now, we can not turn back the clock, and I agree we should try to hold on to our heritage. Believe me, none of us would want to live the live of our parents. It was hard pioneers life.

- 1Cust127.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Thursday, December 07, 2000 at 06:48:45 (GMT)
Sophia:
Thanks Franz. I was born near Tschermoschnitz and live in Minnesota. How about you?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 00:24:55 (GMT)
Ramor/Schuss:
Is anyone here from the village of Rodine or Reichenau?

- ip51.vancouver6.dialup.canada.psi.net - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 05:18:11 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I live in a suburb NW of Chicago. Brrr, must be cold up there now and full of snow, right?
- 1Cust185.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 05:18:43 (GMT)
Sophia:
Yes, you are right it is BRR here at Waukenabo Lake. But, get ready, am sending it your way so bundle up. Yes, we have snow and that too is heading your direction. By the way, my favorite cousin and wife live in Skokie. With your excellent command of Gottschaebarisch, I am assuming we are about the same ag - like 64 years young? I wish you a good Friday and good weekend.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 13:31:59 (GMT)
Phil Kump:
Dar Cinkel ischt a Kroiner er hott gehauset Ilz er mogt Gotscherber et.
- 207.159.239.156 - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 18:57:24 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, yes you are correct regarding the vintage. 1936 must have been an excellent year. Skokie is not too far from here, north of Chicago. By the way, thanks a bunch for the snow and cold, it certainly did arrive.
- AC9BAA5D.ipt.aol.com - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 23:35:25 (GMT)
Franz:
Phil, kenescht due dan Kroinar?
- AC9BAA5D.ipt.aol.com - Friday, December 08, 2000 at 23:41:15 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz ünd Sophia ~ et vrgasset af mie; bir kennen ottr mitanonder veiern. Pei insch schneibets heint nüa ah schon; kaut is ah zimlich.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 04:30:23 (GMT)
Ridy:
http://www.bardstown.com/~ttipton/iheard.htm




enjoy!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 05:12:53 (GMT)
:
Ridy, ber kon af di vrgassn? Dr schtoepel von dr floschn ischt schon beg, anascht bts gatruenkn. hoeffntlich schmeckets eich.


- ACAD5B5C.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 21:04:53 (GMT)
:
Franz, et trink zewiel. Es ischt et guat ver Di. A paesa schon uber et ze wiel. Ich hon heanta noch nia Gottschaebarish geschriebn. Dos ischt guat ver intsch aue. Bir messn inschere Spruche ju et vergassn. Servus.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, December 10, 2000 at 00:01:02 (GMT)
:
Dar bein ischt gueat geban, anascht bin I nuea muenter, zavil ischt zavil.
- 1Cust66.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Sunday, December 10, 2000 at 23:22:23 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Sorry I can't translate or contribute to the conversation in Gottechebarish. Hope everyone had a good week.,
- A010-1039.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 01:54:34 (GMT)
Ridy:
Pin ich heint dei erschte? Ischt nöch niemondt et in dr Tratschschtübe?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 01:55:25 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Margaret!
Hope you had a good weekend, too. Don't worry, we're just showing off a bit - although that may not be the right way to put it. Any snow in Kansas City? Ours has all melted again -- not that we had all that much to begin with.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 01:56:53 (GMT)
Ridy:
Must pass this along! My kids think they've found the solution to all the hot air floating up here from Florida and Washington, DC -- make the lawyers all speak in Gottscheerisch and that would get everything solved pretty fast!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 01:59:29 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: I print off some pages of the plauderzimmer every Sun. for Marie Wolf. SHe will be thrilled to read some primary language. Sorry I can't. Weatherman keeps saying 2-8 inches of snow for us. I sure hope he's WRONG.
- A010-1039.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:04:08 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Excelltn suggestion. THis Florida thing is very tiresome. I think everyone is tired of it. The lawyers are the only ones who benefit by prolonging the re-count. Hope I haven't offended any lawyers who might on tonight.
- A010-1039.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:05:52 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guess I will log off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-1039.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:20:23 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Anyone still hanging around the chat room?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:37:26 (GMT)
Franz:
Good evening you all, how is everyone. I amsorry to be late, had to hang the last Christmas lights outside.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:40:16 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, if you are out there in cyberspace come in.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:41:22 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Franz, greetings. We put the finishing touches on the XMas tree this afternoon. Looked a lot better. One or two more sets to place outside and then we are finished.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:42:43 (GMT)
Franz:
Greetings Jim, The tree is up but not yet decorated. We used to wait till Xmas eve day.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:45:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
We try to get it up sooner so that we can marvel at its beauty for a longer time :) . The only down side is that it sometimes sheds its needles sooner.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:47:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Purchased it at Plut's tree farm in Long Valley, NJ. They are Gottscheer from Malgern. Their family once owned apartment houses on my street in Brooklyn. Coincidence.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:49:04 (GMT)
Franz:
Because of the needle sheding, we tried a fake tree. Didn't like it, it just was not the same.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:50:15 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, is it a fresh cut tree? Did you cut it with a chainsaw?
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:52:42 (GMT)
:
Thought about a fake tree from an ecology viewpoint. Could not do it. Maybe in the future.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:53:16 (GMT)
Charles:
Jim, thanks again for the e-mail. Can't imagine how you ever went back eight generations. How do you gather all this information?

- max3-5.max3.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:53:30 (GMT)
Jim:
We usually cut it with a bowsaw but this year we took one off the lot.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:54:18 (GMT)
Jim:
Charles, it is a mixture of many sources. Holly's Tschermoschnitz information has the more complete dates. Those names with approximate dates are from the marriage records. There is also information in the main file contributed by others (like your additional information). Once I get the data, I crosscheck it before typing it in. Not infallible but seems to work out well. Genealogy purists would have heart attacks.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:57:23 (GMT)
Jim:
One day I hope to find a way to email graphic family trees. They don't have as much information but are easier to track back. Even then, the trees can be quite large and you have to tape the pages together.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 02:59:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed&Mary e-mailed recently the address and phone # of a Komutzen childhood friend, Josef Tramposch, I called himthis week. Was he surprised, he said he always wondered where I ended up. Turns out, he is only about 70 miles from me. We are looking foreward to a meet.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:00:12 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hello!
Just checked back and you're still going strong. . .

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:02:26 (GMT)
Franz:
Jo de beinflosche ischt schon laar, due bischt za spute kam.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:04:09 (GMT)
Jim:
Hello, Ridy. Welcome but I hope that you and Franz don't start showing off your Gottscheerbarisch. I get misplaced with German but totally lost with the dialect.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:04:36 (GMT)
Ridy:
Ich brt burtn pis as ich aut genüg brt - ich pin nöch z' jüng vrs trinkn.
Now that can't possibly be right!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:06:19 (GMT)
Jim:
Ouch, Franz beat me to it. Not quick enough with my fingers on the board.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:06:41 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Jim -
I'll try to behave - but Franz tends to lead me astray.
How are you feeling today -- any aches and pains from overdoing the partying?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:07:27 (GMT)
Franz:
Well, I guess Canadians start at seventy.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:07:31 (GMT)
Ridy:
I'll remember that Franz!
But the cold makes us slow, of course.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:08:18 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Jim,
I think you mentioned you played Hoops. I took off from work one day to go to a Suffolk Legislature Building dedication, which was a reunion of sorts. The best part was after that was over I got to play hoops with a group that I used to play regularly with. I'm proud to report that I hadn't played in more than 3 months ,and wasn't even sore the next day. Do you still play?

- dialup-63.210.215.70.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:09:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Sorry Jim, one of these days we will give you lessons.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:09:49 (GMT)
Jim:
Ridy, surprisingly not too much out of the ordinary. Maybe the dancing loosened up the back. Aches but nothing more than usual. John, I play every now and then. No games in awhile. My wife has threatened to maim me if I tear up another knee.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:11:04 (GMT)
Jim:
Dear Franz, thank you but it will take more than a few days or lessons to become fluent. I try to study it and see where there are consistent changes from the German. By the way, Josef Trampusch ------ Komutzen#8. If so----- he is your 5th cousin once removed, 6th cousin, sixth cousin once removed. I am distantly related as well. Shirttail cousins as Mary T. once said.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:13:16 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hi Anybody still on?
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:16:01 (GMT)
Charles:
I'm looking for an excuse to go to Denver next year. Do one of you know off-hand the dates of the annual Gottsheer meeting?
- max3-5.max3.sa.infohwy.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:16:06 (GMT)
Ridy:
Jim - according to my husband, there's a fairly reliable formula to change from High German into Gottscheerisch. He says it's not all that hard, once you get the hang of it. That's from the linguist - not from me.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:16:21 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Mary! Good to see you back again!
How's the snow in Colorado?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:17:15 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I see we are still on. I have missed the chats. I was in Minnesota last week.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:17:19 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, if we were all cousins one way or the other, I guess it was time we spread out all over thew world in order to get new blood.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:17:35 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hi Ridy We have no snow in Canon City.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:17:40 (GMT)
John Sorli:
My knees bother me a bit ,but for the most part are ok especially when I"m playing. They bother me a bit going up and down stairs.I was in a car accident over 4 years ago ,and have bulging disc which bothers me a little. My main complaint now is tendonitis in my right elbow ,and strained right rotator cuff both on my shooting side acquired a month ago lifting tables at a church function.
I start therapy tommorrow evening.

- dialup-63.210.215.70.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:18:01 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
The cold and clouds came in about noon today, but no snow here yet.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:18:10 (GMT)
Jim:
That's easy for a linguist to say. He has it all figured out after being married to you for one or two years. :)
Hello, Mary.

- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:18:18 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hi Jim
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:19:40 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary, that's interesting. I always think that all of your State is covered in snow by now. Must be like Toronto -- everybody thinks we're under a white blanket as well -- but I wore my sandals outside today!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:20:07 (GMT)
Jim:
John, I may try to get to a game or two next week. I would like to see how the knee and back hold out. The knee has had an ACL repair and the back belongs to someone older but ended up on me.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:20:07 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Yes Canon City sits in a little valley we call the banana belt. It is always nicer here than elsewhere. We have mountains on three sides, but they are not white yet either. However, the high mountains have lots of snow.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:22:04 (GMT)
Jim:
Franz, you are so right about all of our cousins. Like the Hatfields and the McCoys. Related to everybody. Interestingly, it seems when the Gottscheers came to the US, the Gottscheers still married Gottscheers but much more frequently to those from different parishes.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:22:37 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I decided that everyone in the town of Bistriz in Gottschee are all related. Only 13 houses in the records.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:23:33 (GMT)
Ridy:
Jim - Ray says when you get stuck and don't know the right word in Gottscheerisch, just say: O jau e jau e jau!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:24:17 (GMT)
Jim:
Mary, no snow here either but the weather is a little bit cooler than usual. Almost as cold as the Windy City.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:24:24 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy and what does that mean?
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:25:04 (GMT)
Jim:
Mary, There is another member of the GHGA which tracks back to your Tschernembl lines. Do you have his name?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:25:40 (GMT)
Franz:
I think, Komutzen, Unterwarmberg, Rotenstein and to some extend Altlag were kind of interwoven.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:26:14 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Jim who is it?
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:26:18 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Pat Sullivan by any chance
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:27:10 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi everyone! Hope you all had a good week. Franz, glad you were able to get in touch with Mr. Trampusch.
We also have been busy with holiday decorations. Our youngest son, who was married in July, used to do a lot of our outdoor decorating. As Ed untangled the lights, he said, "I'm really starting to miss that kid!"

- mod45.new-philly.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:27:27 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary -
very loosely translated - something like "oh dear, oh dear, oh dear - not actual translation, it's just used in the same context, more or less

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:28:02 (GMT)
Franz:
The Windy City got it's name from the hot air blowing politicians. More so than the real wind.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:28:38 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Jim,
Have you been playing regularly for a long time? I started
to play regularly about about 11 years ago. I think it's something every middle age man should do to overcome mid-life crisis. Actually I'm not real good , but love the competition.
All the Canadians ,Minnesotans ,and other Plains people must have sent us some of their weather this year. This is the coldest late Autumn I can remember in quite a few years.
I can assure you Ridy, wwe couldn't have worn sandals here on Long Island lately.

- dialup-63.210.215.70.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:28:58 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi E & M!
I know what you mean about having sons at home - - ours was here for about two hours this evening, and we barely gave him time to eat, there were so many chores we had saved up for him!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:30:06 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed & Mary, thanks for the info. Josef and I had a long chat.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:30:23 (GMT)
Jim:
Mary, that is correct.
Daley, Byrne, Daley. Kennedy-Nixon. Crooked politicians in Chicago---- can't believe it.

- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:30:55 (GMT)
Jim:
John, played in high school and then intramurals in college. Town leagues and the like. Pickup games since then. Was a decent player at one time. Never pretty, never quick, but stubborn.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:33:11 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Jim, Pat Sullivan is about a 4th counsin to me, and the one who put me on the track to find my ancestors.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:33:29 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, well Bugsie Dailey is mixing it in Florida.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:33:33 (GMT)
Ridy:
Jim - you mean dead men walking and voting? None of them sound like Gottscheers to me.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:33:54 (GMT)
Jim:
Every XMAs the four of us decorate the tree. It is a family tradition.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:34:16 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
And it was a fluke how I found him.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:34:33 (GMT)
Jim:
Daley could always get the vote out whether dead or alive. I wonder if Pa Daley woke any of us up to vote in 1960.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:35:36 (GMT)
Franz:
Well folks, wish you a nice week, have to go and write Xmas cards overseas.
- 1Cust28.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:35:41 (GMT)
Jim:
How did you link up with Pat? The internet?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:36:49 (GMT)
Ridy:
Servus Franz -

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:36:49 (GMT)
Jim:
Franz, good night and have a good week.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:37:20 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
JIm, I found out on the internet who my grandmothers godparents were, and did a search for that name, which was Petsche. And it lead me to Pat. And he had been researching for years, and helped me get started.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:38:52 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Jim,
I like stubborn players. I can't stand hot shots that play no D . I've put on weight over the last several years ,and slowed down ,but still try to play good
D. Hopefully ,my work will allow me to go back playing regulaly in about 3 or 4 months.
Goodnight everyone . Have a good week'

- dialup-63.210.215.70.NewYork1.Level3.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:39:44 (GMT)
Jim:
John, have a good one as well.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:40:18 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary -
are you related to the Petsche's from Setsch?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:40:18 (GMT)
Ridy:
Good night, John!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:41:02 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
John and Jim: Ed's younger brother, Tom, had surgery recently and the doctor told him he shouldn't play golf for a while. Tom told him he actually played basketball, not golf.
The doctor said, "You're almost 60 years old and you're still playing basketball." Tom told him, "Yes and I can't quit until my older brother does!"
Goodnight to all. We want to catch the sports because the Browns almost won today!

- mod45.new-philly.net - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:41:02 (GMT)
Jim:
Mary, it is interesting how often that happens. You don't know where to start and all of a sudden, you find someone who can gets it going. Have you run into many other Gottscheers from the Tschernembl area?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:42:25 (GMT)
Ridy:
Love your story, Ed and Mary!
Good night and have a good week.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:42:27 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Ridy so far I only know about the Petsches in Bistriz. Pat may have them traced to somewhere else, but I have never heard him mention Setch
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:42:56 (GMT)
Jim:
God bless Gottscheer basketball players. Must be our genes that can be traced to the American woman's team. Actually, one of her ancestors was named Hogler (I think).
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:44:05 (GMT)
Jim:
Ridy, if there is a link with the Setsch Petsches, it would have to be very early.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:45:01 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I don't play basketball, but one of my sons played for 6 years in school and still likes to play. Does that count!!
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:45:21 (GMT)
Jim:
Counts in my book.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:45:44 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary -
I have an aunt by marriage who was from Setsch and her name was Marie Petsche.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:45:54 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Jim, no I have not found very many others from Tschernembl, but there are some in the town I went to high school in. Their name is Vertin, and the one who came here was born in Doblic where my great grandmother was born.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:47:19 (GMT)
Jim:
There are a lot of Petsches in my file and almost all of them are from the Altlag, Ebental, and Unterwarmberg parishes except for those related to Mary.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:47:38 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
A Maria Petsche from Bistriz was my greatgreatgrandmother.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:49:18 (GMT)
Ridy:
My Tante Marie is still living in Kitchener and she's one of my favourite people.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:50:41 (GMT)
Jim:
I have 193 names that have some connection to Tschernembl but most of them are from after the time when your ancestors emigrated. Many came from other parishes before living in Tschernembl. I have a question----- Rodine is sometimes listed as Tschernembl and sometimes Stockendorf with respect to its parish. Are they the same town and which parish is correct?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:54:31 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I dont know which is correct, but there lots of Rodine records in the Tschernembl records.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:55:48 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
So are you saying a lot of people moved inot the Tschernembl parish, after those people started moving out.
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 03:56:57 (GMT)
Ridy:
Good night, all ~
Have a great week!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 04:00:37 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night Ridy
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 04:01:36 (GMT)
Jim:
Mary, only guessing from what I can see in my records but the information is limited. Rodine was right on the border of Tschernembl and Stockendorf. Probably listed in both parishes. Going to sign off as well. Have a good week.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 04:03:39 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night Jim Have a good week also
- spider-tj033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 11, 2000 at 04:04:32 (GMT)
ntvimage@jps.net:
I just stumbled on to this site and hope someone might recognize these names. I am looking for relatives of my Great grand-parents. I believe my great grandmother is from gottcshee. Her name was mary magdalena and her maiden name was either perz or fink. Her married name was herbst and she had 2 sons then her first hausband died and she married a John markovitz with whom she went to the U.S. with they settled in cleveland ohio and had 3 children, one of which was my grandmother, "Lena" died in 1911 at the age of 36 and the 3 children went to an orphanage. the sons from the herbst family went to other relatives of that side I believe. If the rings a bell please contact me at ntvimage@jps.net I would appreciate all help
- 216-119-43-246.o1.jps.net - Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 03:41:08 (GMT)
Sophia:
Looking for Gottscheers who could provide us with a sketch of the following Gottscheer villages: Kerndorf, Otterbach, Verderb, Stalzern, Hinterberg, Mrauen and Rodine. The GHGA has been working on this project for 3 years and plans to publish all Gottscheer village sketches. Please send your contributions to Paul Jenner, Chair, Gottscheer Village Sketches, 4524 Alpha Lane, St. Joseph, MO. 64506-1725, e-mail: pjenner@ccp.com DANKE SCHÖN.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 22:00:21 (GMT)
John Hoegler:
My fellow Gottscheers let it be known that Gottscheers in Slovenia are trying to establish the cultural rights that were denied to them since the end of WW1.They may get these rights under the new democratic government of modern Slovenia but a person named Tschinkel is working to deny the rights of the Gottscheer minority in Slovenia to promote his own self agrandisement.
- 207.159.233.155 - Friday, December 15, 2000 at 19:13:44 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello John Hoegler ~
are we related? I was born in Kukendorf. . .

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Friday, December 15, 2000 at 19:37:02 (GMT)
Patricia:
Hello I left a message a few days ago concerning my great grandparents and I now believe that my Mary magdalena Fink May actually been from hohenberg and have been told this would have been the Altlag parish and to search with the mormons. is there any online site for this type of search???
- 216-119-42-55.o1.jps.net - Sunday, December 17, 2000 at 23:48:27 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten abend. Freezing in KC. Just got 1 batch of snow cleared away and another is coming around midnight. Can't win for losing.
- A010-1102.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:01:51 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Eddie, ARe you on tonight?
- A010-1102.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:14:34 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Not lmuch doing tonight. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-1102.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:18:07 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia - you are correct. Hohenberg is in the Parish of Altlag. If nothing else the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. has the entire Familienbuch for the Parish of Altlag. Chances are that all information you need would be included. I believe it sells for $20.00. If you are interested let me know and I shall gladly give you further information as to where to order. Good luck to you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:19:17 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello everyone
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:34:59 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Where is everybody tonite??
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:43:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, everyone. Sounds like Ohio and KC are having some of the white stuff. A lot of rain on the east coast.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:46:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hi, Mary. Went to the Nets game and watched them lose poorly.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:47:53 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hello Jim
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:48:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
We have had a lot of wind, and there is now inthe northwest corner of the state tonite
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:49:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Patricia, if you check back, you might get a greater response if you put something on the bulletin board. There were not too many Finks in Hohenberg. One family so far.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:49:23 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
that is snow inthe northwest corner
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:49:23 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Xmas is creeping up quickly. I am still like a child in that I like some snow for the holidays.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:50:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Very windy in NJ with some showers. If it had been colder, it would have been a blizzard.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:51:14 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I like snow for the holidays too and ours is all melted
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:51:34 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi everybody!
We've had two days of rain and warm temperatures, but now the wind is blowing, and snow is on the way, suppesedly.
Figures - just when I'm going downtown tomorrow. Time to start Christmas shopping - don't want to leave it to the last minute!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:53:17 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I cant believe it is only a week until Christmas. I dont know where the time has gone
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:53:35 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi everyone!
So far this week in Ohio, we have had winds greater than hurricane strength, freezing rain, snow and on Saturday, heavy rainfall resulting in flash flooding! Other than that, it's been beautiful!

- mod38.new-philly.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:55:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Do you have any Gottscheer traditions for the holidays? We need some of the other like Ridy,& Franz to tell us a couple.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:57:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sounds great, E & M. Condolences on the Browns. A little better than last year I hope.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:57:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have a little more to do before I start wrapping the gifts. I would like to get into the city to see the tree in Rockefeller Center.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:59:28 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
yes I would like to know some Christmas traditions also
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 02:59:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holiday customs, specific foods. ??? Tree, decorations, and so on.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:03:06 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
To Jim: Hopefully the Browns will do better next year, but we are just happy to have them back. We started doing a couple of traditional things _ on St. Nicholas Day we have the grandkids come to have their shoes filled with candy. We also served our version of the shipling bread last year- and the grandkids claimed it really did bring them good luck. They got the next week off school because of bad weather!
- mod38.new-philly.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:04:00 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Did anyone in Gottschee make blood sausage, or is that a food from Germany
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:04:26 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
spoken like true die hard Brown fans. What is "shipling" bread?
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:05:15 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Is filling the shoes with candy a custom from Gottschee?
- spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:05:21 (GMT)
Ridy:
First and foremost, Christmas was a very church-centered feast in Gottschee. Christmas trees were brought by the Kristkind - the Christchild - on Christmas Eve, and it's arrival was announced by a little bell being rung in the large room. When you opened the door, all the candles on the tree were burning (real candles-real fire!) and it was a truly magical sight! My grandmother apparently used a twig from the Christmas tree, and a small container of holy water, to bless each and every animal in the barn, and then on Christmas Day she went out into the fields and blessed each of the fields, giving thanks for the harvest that fall and praying for a good harvest the following year. There was also a special bread which was baked before Christmas and which stayed under the tree until the last day of Christmas, the Feast of the Three Kings, and on that last day each member of the household ate a piece of that bread and each animal in the barn also received a piece of it for good health and good luck.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:08:20 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
My wife is Italian and we do some of the Italian customs like the antipasto filled with sausage and cheese along with cheeses and other goodies. The Xmas eve we do seafood.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:09:22 (GMT)
Ridy:
The shoes were filled with candy and other goodies for St. Nikolaus; and yes, when pigs were slaughtered the blood was used to make blood sausage. Delicious!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:09:57 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!

- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:11:19 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I think the fire department would have something to say about putting real candles on a real tree.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:11:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
hello, ed.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:12:56 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Did you use big casings, and slice the sausage and fry it and eat it on bread with dark corn syrup???
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:13:26 (GMT)
Ridy:
Schipplink is the bread which is baked for Christmas and then shared by the family and the animals on the last day of Christmas. Albert Belay has a picture of it on the front of his cookbook "Hoimischai Khöscht"
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:13:51 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
You are now making me hungry. Maybe I will raid the pantry and fry up some leberkasse.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:14:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I am hoping to get that cookbook for Christmas. I asked Santa for it. Was there a XMas equivalent of Santa Claus in Gottschee?
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:15:13 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary - they used big casings, and it was fried, but I recall that we ate it with potatoes and some vegetable. It was a dinner.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:15:31 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
How are you tonight Jim? I see everything is much calmer as compared to last week!
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:15:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary - they used big casings, and it was fried, but I recall that we ate it with potatoes and some vegetable. It was a dinner.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:15:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed, very good thank you. My fingers were tired that week.
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:16:33 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
We eat ours for breakfast. It is made real spicy, and the sweet and spicy together are wonderful. I always thought it came from my dads side of the family but maybe it was from the Gottschee side.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:16:39 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
We read about some of these Gottscheer traditions in the Gottschee Tree and decided to try to share some of them with our kids and grandkids. They seem to enjoy it.
- mod38.new-philly.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:17:18 (GMT)
Ridy:
St. Nikolaus would have been vaguely related to Santa Claus. Christmas was the Kristkind - Christchild.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:17:23 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy, just want you to know how much we appreciate your sharing the wonderful customs of the Gottscheers. I remember very little but the minute I read your words I can see it it all, including the holy water, the twig and blessings. You have a wealth of knowledge and we are grateful for your sharing. Have a wonderful holiday and enjoy your shopping trip. Dunk schean.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:18:04 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, were there any other special foods for Christmas?
- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:21:20 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Jim, my father has more pictures that he is trying to email me. When I receive them I'll send thme to you. I am also trying to get him to scan the ones he took when he was Slovenia this year.
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:21:37 (GMT)
Ridy:
Mary - I think bloodsausage is known in many cultures; we can buy it at the Farmer's Market in Kitchener off and on and I'm fairly certain my Welsh father-in-law was familiar with it.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:22:33 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Mary and Ridy The blood sausage you are talking about is Blutwurst and Moshers of Ridgewood NY sells them as well as Krainerwurst.
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:24:25 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Ed,
I made copies of the other photos and gave them to some of my relatives on Thanksgiving. Others will get them at Xmas time. The Schauer photo was excellent.

- spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:24:28 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
We found it at a meat market close to Minneapolis, that makes it just like way we do. We had some for breakfast this morning, that i brought home with me when I was in Minnesota last week.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:24:39 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Jim, My father also is trying to get a video converted of his mother. She was talking about the old country, but it was recorded on European format.
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:27:05 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I have seen some blood sausage in Colorado, that is made in small casings and has rice in it and it is terrible. Mom always made our casing our of old sheets, so they would be thick enough.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:27:11 (GMT)
Ridy:
Food for Christmas generally included ham,chicken, goose - and even venison, I'm told. There were lots of baked goods, the nut breads and Darbei Pobolitse - which is much like a Strudel, but very rich and delectable. No calories, either!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:27:34 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I have been wondering what the krainerwrust is like.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:28:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
It is a smoked sausage. Sometimes can be spicy. I have had it sliced as an appetizer as well as cooked it like a wurst.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:29:49 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
The best ever. Teh cook book by Albert Belay "Hoimischai Khöscht" has a recipe for Krainerwurst. If you like some I can send you Moshers tele. MY parents and I have it delivered every year. I grew up on the stuff. I bet Jim did also.
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:30:31 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
would it be similiar to a sausage like hillshire farm ring sausage?
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:30:40 (GMT)
Ridy:
Ed - that's almost worth a trip to Ridgewood! Especially if they also make Krainerwurst!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:31:18 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
It is similar to pepperoni but mellower. It is great sliced eaten with Swiss chees and nice bottle of German wine.
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:32:04 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Now that does sound good, cheese , wine and sausage
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:32:32 (GMT)
Ridy:
I wouldn't try to get it sent up here. . . .Canadian customs would probably have a good meal of it and send me the bill for it!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:33:54 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed, first time I had it was last year. We used to go to the deli on Gates and Seneca but I don't think we ever had krainerwurst. I picked it up in Hawley, Pa. Really enjoyed it.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:34:44 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
My brother has mailed me the blood sausage out here and it got here just fine. It has enough spices in it.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:35:32 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Jim, This winter I may try to make some myself.
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:35:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed, I will limit myself to consumption of said food rather than manufacture.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:38:35 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Thanks everyone for all the interesting info on the food and traditions. We want to catch the sports on the Browns' last game of the season. Hope you all have a very good Christmas.
- mod38.new-philly.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:39:34 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
jim, I do not blame you, but I learned years ago to make do because I have lived to far away from getting the stuff like that and also my wife Irish. As matte of fact when cook Sauerkraut I add beer, and when I do she leaves the house. Ummmm!
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:41:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed, don't they have a game next week?
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:42:03 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I like to put beer in the sauerkraut also
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:42:18 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Well got to go now. Have a good week Jim. And everyone!
- dialup-209.245.99.48.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:42:57 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
I made my mom and dad measure everything they put in the blood sausage about 15 years ago so I have a receipe for it.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:43:18 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Ed. If I don't hear from you, have a Merry Christmas.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:44:24 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, Christmas goose?? Any stuffing allowed? I love stuffing cooked in a bird.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:46:05 (GMT)
Ridy:
Interesting -- I use white wine to cook sauerkraut if I'm being extravagant, but never tried beer.. . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:47:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I remember that goose is one of the traditional meals for Xmas but I have never had it. We get some on the pond in the summer but they disappear before Xmas.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:47:14 (GMT)
Ridy:
Yes - we always had Christmas goose while father was alive. The stuffing we used was green appled (Granny Smith or similar) Apples goes beautifully with goose.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:48:37 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I love Granny Smith apples.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:50:06 (GMT)
Ridy:
Granny Smith is the variety I use for Apfelstrudel. . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:51:06 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Wine, cheese, goose, sausage, stuffing, ham, beer. Too much on a Sunday night. I grabbed a small yogurt but it just didn't do the trick.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:51:36 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
lolol We had green chili, eggs and fried potatoes for lunch today. And pizza for supper. much better than yogurt. had kids here for meals today.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:53:12 (GMT)
Ridy:
That's too funny! I just had a coffee yogurt and I also decided it just didn't make the grade this evening!!!!
But I must be off to bed soon, and before that I have a few more chores to take care of.
It's been fun! Gute Nacht!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:53:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Strudel, I am going to have to sign off soon or I will be eating my monitor.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:54:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I give up. Will sign off as well. Everyone have a good night and week.
- spider-wf054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:55:03 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Good night and Merry Christmas. Have a wonderful holiday.
- spider-tj014.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 03:55:37 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia - the lady whose ancestors came from Hohenberg in the Parish of Altlag, I would appreciate you contacting me at wyants@mlecmn.net. We have possible information that might aid you in your search. Thanks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Tuesday, December 19, 2000 at 04:03:59 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia I hope you recieved my e-mail as I am so excited to recieve any information. I can be reached at ntvimage@jps.net just in case you did not recieve it. It would be so wonderful for my mother to know if we have any relatives still alive in Gottschee, so every bit of info is very important to me. Thanks for your time
- 216-119-34-199.o1.jps.net - Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 01:04:21 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Leise rieselt der Schnee,
Still und starr liegt der See,
Weihnachtlich glänzet der Wald
Freue dich, 's Christkind kommt bald!

In den Herzen ist's warm;
Still schweigt Kummer und Harm.
Sorge des Lebens verhallt;
Freue dich! 's Christkind kommt bald!

Bald ist heilige Nacht,
Chor der Engel erwacht;
Horch nur, wie lieblich es schallt,
Freue dich, 's Christkind kommt bald!

's Kindlein, göttlich und arm,
Macht die Herzen so warm,
Strahle, du Stern überm Wald,
Freue dich, s'Christkind kommt bald!

To all my fellow Gottscheers, wherever you are, have a Merry Christmas! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 03:51:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, Dos ischt ubr a schianes liadle. I bat a mitschingn. I binsch Dir a Froahe Beinochtn. Bischt Due braf genueg geban? Buas denkescht due as dr Christkindl brigan bat? Hot dr da Krampus a groassei Reuate gebrueng.?
- 1Cust163.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 12:12:43 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I would like to join Ridy , Merry Christmas - Frohe Weihnachen- Froahe Beinochten, to all the Gottscheers,
wherever in the world you might be.

- 1Cust202.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Sunday, December 24, 2000 at 12:19:02 (GMT)
Sophia from a very cold Minnesota:
I join Ridy and Franz in wishing you Merry Christmas und alles, alles Gute im Neuen Jahr. Bleibt gsund.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 00:46:01 (GMT)
John Sorli:
Wunsche euch allen Frohliche Weihnachten und ein gesundes
Neues Jahr!

- dialup-209.246.97.129.NewYork2.Level3.net - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 02:59:30 (GMT)
Adi Putre ... got to something to keep warm up here ...:
Interesting, I just used Granny Smith apples for the first time in my Apple Strudl ... motivation: My new Apple peeling machine can't handle any of the soft variety ... not a bad choice ... I embelish the recipe by serving it hot, with Ben+Jerry's best Vannila Ice-Cream (Ben+Jerry's factory is a half mile down the road), Whip-Cream and Rasberry Syrup ... Hmm yummy (can somebody give me the translation into Gottscheirberisch)... Fröhliche Weihnachten
- spider-tk072.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 03:49:03 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Merry Christmas to everyone from beautiful Coolrado.
- spider-mtc-ta021.proxy.aol.com - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 04:14:44 (GMT)
Thomas Stalzer:
Wuensche Euch auf diesem Weg Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch in Jahr 2001!!

- nyf-ny1-10.ix.netcom.com - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 07:22:12 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from Austinburg Ohio. The best location in the nation. 50 miles east of Cleveland, 50 miles west of Erie, Pa. and 50 miles north of Youngstown, Ohio and 3 miles south of Lake Erie.
- ashdial-131.suite224.net - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 13:20:05 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello! I´m from Graz and my Grandmother Annemarie Schneider was born in Gotschee(Moos/Rieg)As a refugee she stayed in a camp in Wagna/Leibnitz,before she came to graz.She left gotschee with her father Franz schneider and her cousin peter plesche, who lives in canada now!
The name of her mother was juliana högler! Does anybody know her or some of her relatives? it would be soooo wonderful if i could tell my beloved granny what i found out! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- N526P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at - Monday, December 25, 2000 at 16:43:18 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Froeliche Weinacht und Gluckliches Neues Jahr
- A010-0702.KSCY.splitrock.net - Tuesday, December 26, 2000 at 02:09:17 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas and best wishes for 2001 from the Steel City, Pittsburgh PA (PS one more day till Mario returns!)
- internet5-nat.pncbank.com - Tuesday, December 26, 2000 at 12:55:10 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Helmuth ~
Best wishes to you for 2001 - and thank you for making this Plauderzimmer available. I spend a lot of hours visiting with cyberspace friends here, and I enjoy the opportunity very much. Thank you!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Wednesday, December 27, 2000 at 02:31:54 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello! I´m from Graz and my Grandmother Annemarie Schneider was born in Gotschee(Moos/Rieg)As a refugee she stayed in a camp in Wagna/Leibnitz,before she came to graz.She left gotschee with her father Franz schneider and her cousin peter plesche, who lives in canada now!
The name of her mother was juliana högler! Does anybody know her or some of her relatives? it would be soooo wonderful if i could tell my beloved granny what i found out! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- N317P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at - Wednesday, December 27, 2000 at 04:44:40 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
HAPPY NEW YEAR, with Health, Wealth and continuing Friendship to all my Cyberspace Friends and all Gottscheers on this Planet.
- 1Cust112.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Sunday, December 31, 2000 at 20:12:13 (GMT)
Patricia Weigandt-thompson:
Sophia thanks for the help I am looking forward to hearing from Helen. In the meantime is there a way to find out where and if a family was relocated during the war?? I have read some messages stating many never came back to the region but stay in touch. Also if anyone has info on Hohenberg I would appreciate all details you would care to share. I believe my great grandmother mary magdalena Fink was born there in 1875 and was wondering how to find a family house number from that era. I realize the family may no longer be there at this time. As I am just beginning this search I appreciate all info anyone cares to share. Also can anyone tell me if children went by mothers maiden name or fathers name?? her deathe certificate lists her maiden name as Fink but her fathers name as Josef Perz?? Thanks and I hope to find a family connection out there in the new year.
- 216-119-44-118.o1.jps.net - Sunday, December 31, 2000 at 20:49:30 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Since we are going to our son's house tonight, we won't be able to chat with all of you. We've enjoyed getting to know lots of great Gottscheers on the Chat this year. Hope all of you have a happy New Year.
Franz: Your picture of Komutzen was a big hit at our family Christmas party. Now we want to make copies for relatives here and in Cleveland and Ridgewood. Thanks so much!

- mod31.new-philly.net - Sunday, December 31, 2000 at 21:09:34 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Will be gone this evening, so want to wish everyone on the plauderzimmer Gluckliches Neues Jahr. Will see you all next Sunday night.
- A010-0957.KSCY.splitrock.net - Sunday, December 31, 2000 at 21:39:20 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
HAPPY NEW YEAR, Plauderzimmer friends! I was hoping I'd find some of you in the Plauderzimmer, but it looks like you're all partying elsewhere! Have a great time, and see you next Sunday.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 01, 2001 at 02:35:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Just stopping by to wish everyone a Happy & Healthy New Year.
- spider-mtc-tc033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 01, 2001 at 03:19:10 (GMT)
"Ike" Albin Bauer:
Ich wuensche alle Gottscheer in der Welt einen
gesunden und gluecklichen Rutsch ins neue Jahr 2001.
HAPPY NEW YEAR

- 208.16.181.145 - Monday, January 01, 2001 at 04:48:21 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Happy and healthy New Year to ALL.
I would like to find friends and Schoolmates 1939 City Gottschee

- spider-mtc-tg044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 01, 2001 at 14:54:58 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Every One! Have a great year!
- dialup-209.245.103.100.Manchester1.Level3.net - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 02:26:31 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Wishing everyone a happy healthy New Year!
- ashdial-28.suite224.net - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:53:45 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ed & Mary, I am glad you enjoyed the photo from Komutzen. You asked earlier if I could identify any homes, ours was the one on the bottom left, Walter Krakers was the one on the right, the one on the top facing down was a Kraker as well, the Tramposch was to the left below. there were more houses on the top to left and right. There were also some houses not seen unused where the owners had left for the USA. This is as far as my memory can reach. I will have to consult some of my more seasond relatives.
- 1Cust243.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 13:11:34 (GMT)
Sophia:
Does anyone know where, in the Gottschee, Bela cerkev is? I gather it is a village. What about the German name. Could it be Weißkirchen in Krain? If so, would that be in t he Gottscheer region? Thanks for your help.

Happy New Year to one and all.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:49:39 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: I would love a copy of the photo of the village of Komutzen. Could you please send me one along with the bill? I would truly appreciate it. Please send to: Sophia Wyant, 36797 500th Lane, Palisade, MN. 56469-2166. I say DANKE SCHÖN Franz.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:52:33 (GMT)
Gary Chesney:
My wife, Norma Klukos's maternal grandfather was Fred Lesar maybe born in Cernomal, Austria or Czechoslovakia July 16, 1877. The grandmother was Ella Zimmerman born in Cernomal May 4, 1882. Anyone with Lesar family dat please contact Chesneygn@aol.com.
- spider-ti044.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 20:46:17 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I btr schon uens schickn, bens lei et gefriaschn bat, es ischt ju ahoe kaut atobn bei dir.
- AC8EF425.ipt.aol.com - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 00:12:23 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dunk Dier schean. Heint ischt es schean burm. Bir hubm 32° F. Luss mi bessn buas dos Billa koschet?

Geschund bleib Fronz! Ich hon heier an erschnt bag gelearnt Gottschabarisch za schreibn. Hon es henta noch nie getuan. Dunk Dir und der Ridy dawier.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 00:39:33 (GMT)
Richard :
Hi Jim, Just responded to your E-mail. Have a good day
- dialup-64.152.174.128.NewYork1.Level3.net - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 21:18:37 (GMT)
Sophia:
To all the Gottscheers in Slovenia, who are new visitors to the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer, we send you warm greetings. Let us hear from you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 21:57:27 (GMT)
Sophia:
To all the Gottscheers in Slovenia, who are new visitors to the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer, we send you warm greetings. Let us hear from you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 22:30:27 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia Thanks so much for putting me in touch with your wonderful friend Helen. We found a cousin today with whom I hope to have a long conversation with tomorrow. While it sounds as if I may have more information than him, I am hoping he will have a few tidbits that will get us one step closer to family in Gottschee. If nothing else I have a new cousin and a connection I might not have found without you and Helen. THANK YOU :) Patricia
- 216-119-52-56.o1.jps.net - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 02:52:12 (GMT)
Sophia:
I am looking for a Gottscheer who lives near the City of Koblez, Germany. If anyone has information please write to me at: wyants@mlecmn.net. I say DANKE SCHÖN! Appreciate it very much.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 23:23:21 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope everyone had a good week. It finally warmed up in KCMO. We had a 55 Saturday. Nicer than windchils of -30.
- A010-1031.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:05:39 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
My brother, Louis Jonke, has the family painting of the village church in Kummerdorf. I think the village is now called Kumrovo, or something like that. Does anyone know?
- A010-1031.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:08:00 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi everyone and happy Epiphany!
Margaret: Know what you mean about the warmer temps. We had a high in the low 40s today and it felt like summer. The family painting sounds very nice. Franz Mausser sent us a picture of Komutzen and the whole family is thrilled about it!

- mod28.new-philly.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:12:08 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret! Nice to hear somebody is having warm weather - send some of it up our way! Actually, we also got above freezing today again, and the snow's been melting. But not enough to suit me!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:12:34 (GMT)
:
Kummerdorf is now called Kumrova Vas.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:13:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good evening everyone.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:14:43 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Warmed a little bit in NJ as well. Still too much ice on the roof. A little leakage inside from the frozen gutters. Need a couple of warm days to get it melted.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:16:13 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Good evening, E & M, Jim, and ???

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:17:14 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Our Sunday supplement ran an article about an accordian player named Lipovac, from the Slavic community in KC. He and his band were once very popular, but have not been very busy lately. He tries to keep alive the tradition of Slovenian and Croatian music. Teaches tamburitzan, also.
- A010-1031.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:19:02 (GMT)
Sophia:
Want to share with all of you an exciting event. The first ever International Genealogy Conference will be held Sept. 8 to 14, 2001 in Ljubljana. The event is entitled "BRIDGING OUR WORLDS" and is sponsored by the Slovenian Genealogy Society of America and of Slovenia in cooperation with the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. (GHGA) and Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies.

The event is scheduled for the Grand Hotel Union and will include conferences and seminars. In addition an Alpine Slovenia Tour is available along with an optional Slovenian Glories Tour. There will be much time to visit the Archives and learn about genealogy.

If anyone is interested call Kollander World Travel in Cleveland. 1-800-800-5981.

There is plenty of time to get aboard and have a marvelous vacation.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:19:30 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy and Jim: Nice to chat with everyone again. Hope you all enjoyed the holidays as much as we did.

- mod28.new-philly.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:19:43 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Been having some fun with stray Gottscheers. Locating more Kumps all over the place. One is located in the Austrian Alps, the Tyrolean region. Took the long way around. Nesseltal to Brooklyn to California to Tyrolia. Over one hundred years since they came over. I believe I located the wife in an 1889 Brooklyn directory. Husband was deceased by then.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:20:40 (GMT)
Sophia:
If anyone knows of a Gottscheer who lives near Koblenz, Germany I would appreciate hearing from you. You may e-mail me at: wyants@mlecmn.net. Thanks very, very much.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:21:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Sophia. Thanks for the note.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:21:57 (GMT)
Ridy :
That sounds like an interesting trip, Trix! Might be a good way for someone who has never been in our old homeland to get to explore it.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:22:42 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: We should put you in charge of finding the "strays" . You seem to have a special talent for finding Gottscheers.
- A010-1031.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:22:52 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Dr. Jim. Any luck finding Mrs. Stalzer from Feichtbüchel?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:23:09 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sophia, do you have any names for that town? If it is not a common name, you can sometimes make the connection by finding a telephone number online.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:23:10 (GMT)
Sophia:
What I need is to find a Gottscheer that will run an errand for me in Koblenz, Germany. Have no name but am beginning to believe that you will come up with one. I will appreciate it.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:25:07 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sophia, was that from your last email? I did not get any specifics with that one.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:25:10 (GMT)
Ridy :
The Sherlock Holmes of Gottscheer Genealogy -- I think that would be a good title for Jim!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:25:37 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Eddie Stalzer: Are you logged on? Hope you and yours are well. I know there''s a ton of snow in New Hamp. Tante Leni called me to say there was 25 inches of snow in Mahopac, NY, and she was too old to shovel 25 inches.
- A010-1031.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:25:51 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Margaret, sometimes when I relax, I surf the web and I usually surf for Gottscheers. Someone posts something somewhere and that matches up with something posted elsewhere and then all of a sudden --- it clicks with something in my file. The GHGA information has been very helpful.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:27:58 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Need to log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-1031.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:28:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
NNNNNNNNOoooooooooo!! No Sherlock Holmes. The blame is all on Holly, Ridy, and John. Genealogy infection in its worse form. They started me with all their information and now it is nice to help others.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:29:39 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Margaret.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:30:02 (GMT)
Ridy :
No blame on me, Jim -- I learned it all from you and John and Holly and Jim and Joe!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:32:02 (GMT)
Ridy :
Which reminds me -- I haven't heard from Joe and John in a while. . . .wonder if they're out there?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:33:06 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Okay, Ridy ----you just aided and abetted. How about all the information about different aspects of Gottscheer life. Speaking of Joe, haven't heard anything from him in a long while.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:33:36 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: We got a cute photo via the internet of Sonia's new baby boy. He is really cute!
- mod28.new-philly.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:35:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I correspond with John every couple of weeks. He helps out with some of the puzzles especially in the Ebental area. Nothing from Joe.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:35:48 (GMT)
Ridy :
Ed and Mary ~ does your family do anything special for Epiphany? We called it the Feast of the Heiligen Drei Könige. . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:36:00 (GMT)
Ridy :
E & M - I've only seen photos of him as well. But I'm hoping to go to Kitchener again (as soon as my sister recovers sufficiently to put up with me) and I hope to meet him then.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:37:33 (GMT)
Ridy :
Had a Christmas card from Joe but nothing on e-mail. He's a very busy man!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:39:15 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Last night we had an Epiphany party with some little gifts for the grandkids and snacks, of course. We also started sharing the "Shipling Bread" (spelling?) after reading about the custom in the Gottschee Tree a while back. We also send a piece home for each family pet and the grandkids get a real kick out of it.
- mod28.new-philly.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:40:40 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sent Joe an email a couple of months ago but nothing came back. Must be busy. Still haven't gotten the link between his and your Hoglers. Maybe the Altlag marriage file will help out when Kate finishes it.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:41:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
We used to have a little something on the Epiphany when I was very young but the tradition did not take. My sister married someone who is Greek Orthodox and they have a tradition that centers around bread as well.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:43:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Time to go for tonight. Have a good evening and a good week.
- spider-mtc-tf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:45:37 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
We live near the largest Amish area in the United States and Ed calls on some of them in his job. They never work on Ephiphany as it is their main holiday.
- mod28.new-philly.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:47:22 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim. The GHGA has the Familienbuch of the Altlag Parish. It was prepared by Max Mische and is available from the GHGA. Excellent document.
- 216.251.169.1 - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:47:46 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Whe I was a Child in Gottschee the Children went from house to house.
We put a flour sifter on a sick with a nail. Inside we made a star out of tinn foil turning the sifter and singing a song.
Wier sind Drei Herren mit usehren stern wier kommen aus dem morgenland.We would get sweets and pennys

- spider-ta034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:57:58 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Fred: This sounds like a fun custom for little children.
Good night everyone and have a good week!

- mod28.new-philly.net - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 03:03:26 (GMT)
Ridy :
Sorry I had to go off earlier.
Fred - have you seen the photo of the children at the last Fasching in Gottschee on Arnold Rom's web site? Are you on it by chance?
Gute Nacht, Alle

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 03:26:41 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello! I´m from Graz and my Grandmother Annemarie Schneider was born in Gotschee(Moos/Rieg)As a refugee she stayed in a camp in Wagna/Leibnitz,before she came to graz.She left gotschee with her father Franz schneider and her cousin peter plesche, who lives in canada now!
The name of her mother was juliana högler! Does anybody know her or some of her relatives? it would be soooo wonderful if i could tell my beloved granny what i found out! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- 62.47.9.104 - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 15:59:07 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, I am sorry for not beeing able to participate in last nights Plauderzimmer, I missed you all. I want to ask if you received the photo of Komutzen I mailed at Christmas. The Krockers received theirs. You can respond here or E-Mail me at my E-Mail address.
- ACAD8721.ipt.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:20:13 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Nina Skrabl, our family stayed in the refugee camp Wagna also and then moved to Graz. Would you by any chance know the House name of your Grandmother? If you post it here I will try to find out.
- ACAD8721.ipt.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:28:20 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Nina Skrabl, our family stayed in the refugee camp Wagna also and then moved to Graz. Would you by any chance know the House name of your Grandmother? If you post it here I will try to find out.
- ACAD8721.ipt.aol.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:28:22 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello! I´m from Graz and my Grandmother Annemarie Schneider was born in Gotschee(Moos/Rieg)As a refugee she stayed in a camp in Wagna/Leibnitz,before she came to graz.She left gotschee with her father Franz schneider and her cousin peter plesche, who lives in canada now!
The name of her mother was juliana högler! Does anybody know her or some of her relatives? it would be soooo wonderful if i could tell my beloved granny what i found out! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- 62.47.9.104 - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:38:01 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello! I´m from Graz and my Grandmother Annemarie Schneider was born in Gotschee(Moos/Rieg)As a refugee she stayed in a camp in Wagna/Leibnitz,before she came to graz.She left gotschee with her father Franz schneider and her cousin peter plesche, who lives in canada now!
The name of her mother was juliana högler! Does anybody know her or some of her relatives? it would be soooo wonderful if i could tell my beloved granny what i found out! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- 62.47.9.104 - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:46:00 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hello Nina. Good to hear form you again. I am confident that someone will be able to help in your search. There are a lot of Gottscheers on the Internet that have much information about the Gottscheers and our heritage. Good luck and do keep us informed of your progress. Alles, alles Gute.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:49:43 (GMT)
Sophia:
I am still looking for a Gottscheer or Gottscheerin who might live in Koblenz, Germany. Let me know if you can help. I THANK YOU.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:50:22 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello everybody!
Please excuse me for posting my last message so often!It was a mistake!
Peter mausser: I talked to my granny and she can remember a mausser-family staying together with her in wagna in the same house (Nr.3) There were children:magdalena,adolf,maria?? and she thinks the name of their mother was christine! They also moved to graz and the father of the family used to work together with my grandfather(making baskets)
In Moos their housenumber was 18,the name of the house was "pichlarsch am pichl)
THX and greetings,NINA

- 62.47.9.104 - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:59:18 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Hello! I´m from Graz and my Grandmother Annemarie Schneider was born in Gotschee(Moos/Rieg)As a refugee she stayed in a camp in Wagna/Leibnitz,before she came to graz.She left gotschee with her father Franz schneider and her cousin peter plesche, who lives in canada now!
The name of her mother was juliana högler! Does anybody know her or some of her relatives? it would be soooo wonderful if i could tell my beloved granny what i found out! FROHE WEIHNACHTEN!

- N522P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 04:53:37 (GMT)
Nina Skrabl:
Oh no-again!!!
SORRY!
Won`t happen again!!

- N522P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 04:58:51 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Franz,
I have been trying to email you about the picture but I have misplaced your email address again. Thank you for the picture. It is nice to see what the town looked like. One day I hope to visit the area and take pictures of whatever I can find. Hopefully in the next two or three years. Thanks again.

- spider-ti034.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 21:50:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Nina,
I did a little snooping in the resettlement records and came up with a little more than you had. Maybe it will help. Franz Schneider was born 5/4/1899 in Moos. His father was Josef Schneider. He married Juliana Hogler born Jan 6 1899. Her village of birth is listed as Gottenitz and her father was Josef Hogler. This information is from the resettlement records.

Gottenitz is a small parish just southeast of Gottschee city. I looked for Gottenitz in my file and I did not have much but there were definitely Hoglers in that town. The first Hogler I have is Georg Hogler born abt 1825. Town of birth unknown. Parents listed as Johann Hogler and Magdalena. He married Maria Honigmann of Tiefental#5 born 12/1835 on 8/28/1854 in the Ebental parish. It is his second marriage. His house number at the time of the marriage is Gottenitz#24.They have at least two children one of which goes on to marry a Maria Schneider from Moos.

This is all educated guess work so take this with a grain of salt. I would estimate that your Juliana Hogler is related to Georg Hogler (possibly a granddaughter). I would also estimate that Georg Hogler was originally from the Ebental or Altlag parish. The other couple, Franz Hogler of Gottenitz#24 and Maria Schneider of Moos, are most likely related to Franz Schneider and Juliana Hogler.

To look further for your ancestors, you would have to look at the Rieg or Gottenitz parish microfilm records. The above information should give you or someone else a good headstart.

If you would like to ask any questions, you could post something on the bulletin board, the chat room or you could email me at DocH301454@aol.com


- spider-ti032.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 23:53:10 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Ridy. No I am not on that photo. I was dressed as a chimeny sweeper in a photo I have from 1936 I was 4 jears old.

Craftsfred@aol.com

- spider-we034.proxy.aol.com - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:30:46 (GMT)
andrej gazvoda:
hello guys,

i´m a 23 years old slovin student living in germany. my mother is from gottschee...
i´m searching for contact with gottschee people all over the world, we can talk in english, slovin or german.

so if you are interested in speaking about slovenia and specialy gottschee, than write me.
andrej.gazvoda@stud.fh-regensburg.de

- rfhpc0010.fh-regensburg.de - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 11:43:15 (GMT)
andrej gazvoda:
hallo nina skrabl

ich habe deinen eintrag in diesem gottschee - chat gelesen.
so wie du habe auch ich gottscheer als vorfahren, meine oma ist n
original, die kann diese gottscheer sprache noch, und meine mama ist
in kocevje aufgewachsen...

ich wiederum lebe und studiere in regensburg, deutschland, und
interessiere mich sehr für die geschichte von gottschee...
kannst du eigentlich noch slowenisch?

ich hab nen cousin, der in kocevje lebt und sich sehr mit der
geschichte seiner stadt befaßt, werd ihn mal anfunken und schaun, was
er so rausbekommt...

würd mich freuen, wenn du dich mal bei mir meldest...meine adresse: andrej.gazvoda@stud.fh-regensburg.de

gruß, andrej

- rfhpc0010.fh-regensburg.de - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 11:57:11 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Who's on tonight? Eddie, are you on? Did you receive the magazine I sent you? Hope everyone had a good week.
- A010-1237.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:25:44 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Grüß Euch Gott, Allemiteinander!
Hi Margaret - and where are all the others hiding?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:38:31 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Thin crowd tonight. I keep running back and forth to the TV to watch A&E's Great Gatsby. Time for me to check the TV again. Will return.
- A010-1237.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:43:30 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guess I will sign off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles Gute.
- A010-1237.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:46:51 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy and Margaret!
Hope you two had a good week. It warmed up here in Ohio a lot and actually melted some of the snow. Our paper said today there is currently a shortage of sleds in Ohio!

- mod1.new-philly.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:51:52 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Ed and Mary ~
It's warmed up here as well and we're getting rid of a lot of the snow. No doubt making room for the next wave. A bit of sunshine would help - there was none of that today.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:56:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, is anyone left in the chat room?
- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:01:52 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Jim -
not very busy this evening. How is life in New Jersey?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:04:21 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Know what you mean about the next winter blast, but we certainly do appreciate any break from the cold and snow. Have you been doing anymore work on your book? There probably wasn't much time to do it during the holidays. have
- mod1.new-philly.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:05:19 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
E & M -
You're right; the holidays were a dead loss as far as getting anywhere with the book was concerned. But I've been back at it this last week. tons more to do.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:06:57 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there everyone,
Hope all is well. we had a great day today. Rudy worked in the garage and I worked on some genealogy and got some clothes washed.
Ridy, I haven't been able to send you an e-mail today. I keep getting it back. what's up with that??

- ashdial-51.suite224.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:09:19 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Holly! so good to have you on!
I wasn't able to get on the Internet most of the day today -- my server has been bought out by another company and we have more slowdowns and shutdowns than I care to count. Don't want to change to another company again - but I may have to. It's been working again since about 6 o'clock.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:11:42 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Jim: Hope you, too, have recuperated from the holidays. They are so much fun, but it's kind of nice to get back to normal.
Ridy: Did you get to see Sonia's new baby yet? We knew you were planning a visit there.

- mod1.new-philly.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:12:18 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Oh Ridy
great to hear that I can mail you. Will send you the latest update on Rudy's treatment.

- ashdial-51.suite224.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:12:47 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
E & M -
No - I haven't been to Kitchener. Everyone up here seems to be down with the 'flu - everyone related to me, that is. Right now it's my husband. But he's on the mend, and I hope I can get there - sooner rather than later.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:13:53 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Ridy: Everyone here has been hit by the flu, also. Thought cold weather was supposed to keep these viruses, etc., under control!
Hi Holly! Hope you are doing well. We saw on Cleveland TV there was some excitement in your area a few days ago. Never did hear the outcome.

- mod1.new-philly.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:18:59 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ed & Mary,
I missed it. I have been getting up at 4:30 am to go to Cleveland Clinic every morning and don't get home to late. This week Rudy will be outpatient so hopefully we will get some sleep.
What's been going on? I will ask around.?

- ashdial-51.suite224.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:21:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
So far so good in most on NJ. Nobody I know with the flu but I hear it will be coming soon. Probably from Cleveland or Canada.
- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:22:17 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hey Jim,
that must be coming from Canada cause we don't have it in the Cleveland area. (probably New Philadelphia has it tho cause they have everything there!!!!

- ashdial-51.suite224.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:23:41 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Holly: Apparently there was a violent incident involving a judge, but TV didn't give a lot of details. Didn't hear a report after it was investigated.
Sorry to hear about your husband's illness. Hope he is doing better.

- mod1.new-philly.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:26:08 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Are you guys picking on me again? Pick away!
We're feeling lucky up here today -- some flight attendant from a neighbouring city won $13,500,000 in Las Vagas today during a stop-over, killing time playing the slot machine!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:26:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hi, Holly. Nice to "see" you. Kind of slow from the genealogy viewpoint. Some irons in the fire from poking my nose around as much as I can.
- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:26:23 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Again, we have the northerners coming down and taking Yankee greenbacks up north when they leave. Geez, I wonder if that is not a politically correct thing to say about our northern cousins.
- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:27:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have to break away to wrap gifts for my wife. Her birthday is tomorrow.
- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:29:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Be back soon. Only two to go.
- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:29:44 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Don't complain, Jim..... We send you our best brains and all we take in return is money! Except in Florida, of course, there we also give money -- but it doesn't seem to do any good.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:31:30 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Well,
It's my bedtime cause that 5:30 am rolls around pretty quick.
Take care all. Glad to be able to "talk".
Miss all of you.

- ashdial-51.suite224.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:31:36 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Good night, Holly - don't forget to re-send the e-mail, and all the best to you and Rudy.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:32:57 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Goodnight to everyone! We don't want to miss the sports on the 10 o'clock news. Holly _ you are going to be rooting for the Giants now aren't you? We sure don't want the Ravens to win the Superbowl!
- mod1.new-philly.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:35:07 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gute Nacht!
See you all next week!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:38:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Made it back but I think you have all gone. Have a good week everyone.

- spider-mtc-tf033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:53:43 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Looks like everyone is gone. I was at my son's for supper tonite and just got home. See you next week.
- spider-th041.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 04:10:57 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:

Ed & Mary,
I can't believe that those Ravens made it. Gooooo Giants!!!!



- ashdial-9.suite224.net - Monday, January 15, 2001 at 10:07:54 (GMT)
Sophia:
Still looking for a Gottscheer or Gottscheerin living in or near Koblenz, Germany. Thank you for your help.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 02:11:34 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten abend. Hope everyone had a good week. Not too bad in KCMO. Temp might go up to mid 40's next week. Eddie, are you on tonight? Still wondering if you got the magazine I sent you.
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:12:24 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend Margaret, long time no see.
- 1Cust33.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:14:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Not much going on in cyberspace, I will check back later.
- 1Cust33.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:20:45 (GMT)
Richard Davis:
Really enjoyed reading your webpages on Gottschee. Really a tragic history, not unlike most of the German speaking settlements in eastern Europe. The villages in the Gottschee area must have been really beautiful before 1942.
Best wishes.

- proxycfg.lga.netsetter.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:21:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Guten Abend, Franz und Margaret!
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:21:05 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:

franz Looks like we are the only ones on tonight. Hope you have been well.

- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:21:27 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Richard Davis: Glad to have you on with us tonight. Are you a regular?? Welcome.
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:23:20 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Richard,
Yes, from some online postings. Some of the fates were very similar. Entire populations gone along with centuries of history. War has a habit of doing that. On a larger scale, you have East Prussia and other areas of Germany that went to other countries.

- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:23:41 (GMT)
Franz:
Hi Jim, how have you been, havn't chatted lately.
- 1Cust33.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:23:54 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
How are you doing, Margaret? I don't think Eduard stops in very often. If he does, he is shy and very quiet. Eddie, if you are on, I sent an email to Martha Stalzer in Austria. I hope she finds the time to answer.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:25:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Welcome Richard.
- 1Cust33.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:25:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, we keep missing connections. It has been a little slow in the chat room and hard to get it going.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:25:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Have had some nice emails with a wide variety of Kumps. Not too many in the Unterwarmberg area but it seems like a lot of Kumps everywhere else in Gottschee.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:27:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Eddie works nights. I guess it's hard for him to log on. I sent him a magazine article from KC about Don Lipovac
who has an accordian band. Works out of our Strawberry Hill Slavic community.

- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:28:31 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, looks like we have company. I have been well thank you, how about you. Seems like you have a heatwave in KCMO.
- 1Cust33.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:28:37 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:28:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have asked this question of some other members but is there any way to find out about Gottscheers who stayed in Austria or Germany. Every now and then, one is mentioned in the chat room but I would like to find out more about those who stayed on that side of the "Great Pond".
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:29:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Mary.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:30:30 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there everyone,
Hope all is well with you.
Jim, our cousin Pete returned from Roatan and has brought the pictures over tonight. It is definately not a snorkle place but the dive sites are wonderful.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:31:09 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Hi, Mary. How was your week?
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:31:16 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, you would have had a laugh at something I tried with Ridy the other day. AOL has a translation site. It purportedly will take an English sentence and translate it into German. I think it does okay with simple sentences but I sent one to Ridy that was mangled beyond comprehension.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:31:57 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Anyone: Do you know if there are Gottscheers in Fargo, ND??
My son would like to contact them, if he could find them.

- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:32:32 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, I think with the holidays in distant past folks will come out from their hibernation. You are right, I used to check in at the wrong times.
- 1Cust174.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:32:48 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hi, Holly. What did he takes snapshots of?? I try to go to places that have both since my wife likes to snorkel but would never dream of diving under the waves.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:33:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, are you telling me that people had other things to do on XMas and New Year's Eves?
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:34:20 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Margaret I was so busy when I was home in Fargo in December, I did not call your son.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:34:26 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, how is Chicago doing? Have you been getting hit with "lake effect" snow? Rochester, New York used to get quite a bit.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:35:23 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: That's OK. Just was wondering about Gottscheers there in Fargo. Probably are. Just have to locate them.
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:35:31 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I have been busy this month getting all my bookwork done for the year end and start of the new year for the liquor store. It keeps me busy. Hope to get back to my Peschel book soon.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:36:07 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Margaret there are some Vertins in Breckenridge Mn which is about 50 miles south of Fargo. They were from Doblice.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:37:29 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi Jim,
he and 2 other guys took pics so they used the macro lens and also shot the bigger stuff. Lots of stuff like the Caymans but they got a yellow sea horse, some cuttlefish, lots of lobsters, crabs, etc. one great pic of a green eel being cleaned by the peppermint shrimp.
no they mostly had sea grass inland and very shallow so cross that off you list for snorkle.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:38:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Das Wetter in Neuem Jersey ist kalt and schneebedeckt gewesen. Es ist kalt und windig.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:38:15 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, I certainly would like to see that AOL translation. I have no idea what people have to do at XMas and New Years, did you have any special assignments?
- 1Cust174.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:38:42 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Thanks. My son may have time to look them up. It's been such a hard winter there. It takes all of their energy just to go to work and keep ahead of the snow.
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:38:53 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi everyone!
We have had a lot of company today and weren't able to get on the chat earlier. Hope you all had a good week!

- mod29.new-philly.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:39:34 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Margaret...yes I have a brother and sister that live in the area also. The Vertin family owns the funeral home in Breckenrige.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:39:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, Any fine wines from Austria in the store? There is a wine industry in Slovenia. Gottschee had a history of wine making but I haven't heard of any great vintages. I wonder what grapes they have.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:40:31 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim No I do not have any wines from Austria, some good ones from Germany tho
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:41:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, I worked the New Year's weekend and as well as New Year's Day but was off for Christmas.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:41:41 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
i will have to ask my distributors if they have any from there
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:42:07 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: You might be surprised to learn that Missouri and Kansas have wine making areas. Don't know how good they are.
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:42:22 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Jim,
wish I could remember the name of the wine we bought at our local store but it was made in Slovenia and it was just terrible. Tasted like vinegar.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:42:30 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Holly was it a red wine?
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:42:52 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
The Austrians are supposed to be improving their quality tremendously in the recent years. I got a basket of six Austrian wines for Christmas. Nothing from Gottschee.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:43:07 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
No Mary it was a white wine.
- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:43:57 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, es ist mir lieber wenn das kalte wetter in Neu Jersey bleibt. Der "Lake Effect" Schnee betrifft uns nicht zu viel, wir sind westlich from Lake Michigan. I hope this won't be too much to digest.
- 1Cust174.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:44:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, it seems there are more wine making areas than I previously thought. Holly even claims that Ohio has some. Long Island has some good wines but they are overpriced. New Jersey wines are schrecklich (awful).
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:45:23 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Holly it is possible that it was no longer a good wine. whites do not have as long a shelf life as reds do.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:47:12 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, no wonder the Austrian wine is improving, they export all their antifreeze to the eastcoast.
- 1Cust130.tnt10.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:47:49 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend, Allemiteinander!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:48:30 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Yes, Jim is correct. We have some wonderful wines around here. Chalet Dubonne, Ferrante, and a few others
- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:48:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Time to log off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles gut.
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:48:49 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
Are you still on Maragaret Jonke!!

- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:49:01 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
Are you here!!
- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:49:33 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, I understood what you wrote but put it into the translation program and it came out like this ---- It is me rather if the cold weather in New Jersey remains. The snow concerns us not too much, we is western of Lake Michigan. Ouch!!!!
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:49:41 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Mark...your Mom gave me your phone number and I was supposed to call you when I was in Fargo in december.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:49:58 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mark, Your alte mutter is still here. WHat's up[?
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:49:58 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
Phone was busy!! Figured you might be here!
- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:50:27 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Mary,
that is an interesting thought. Maybe it was old. I will have to check that out. I will look for it again.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:50:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mark, you may have just missed her.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:50:43 (GMT)
Franz:
Servus Ridy, hoscht due gueat geschlufn?
- 1Cust130.tnt10.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:51:03 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
Jim MY mutter is still on!!
- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:51:37 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, Ridy. It has been a long time :)
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:51:42 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:52:18 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there Ridy,

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:52:51 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
Are you there mutter
- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:53:17 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mark: Wi geht es Dihr? Car wise??
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:53:23 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I wasn't sleeping Franz - just chatting on the phone. Looks like all of you have been heavily into the vino! Forget the Austrian stuff - it doesn't travel well (without antifreeze) but you can get some lovely wines there - mostly from the Burgenland.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:53:47 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
My german is as good as my car!!
- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:53:58 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mark: Will log off and call you. OK??
- A010-1090.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:54:56 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ridy did Gottschee have any good wines that they might still be making?
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:55:18 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Was bedeutet "servus"? Is that the equivalent of "at your service"? I plugged the Gottscheer words into the translator and it thought it was from the planet Klingon and refused to work on it.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:55:21 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
Mutter gebben sie undo telephono something, somthing at
nach und fifteen oclock

- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:56:07 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, I will get back to you on the wines after I sample some of my Christmas present.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:56:13 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Jim - your german is definitely improving!
Hi Holly! Hi Mary! who else is on tonight?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:56:24 (GMT)
Mark Murphy son of Jonke:
I'll be off line in about two or three min.
- A010-0087.FRGO.splitrock.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:56:58 (GMT)
Franz:
Yes Jim, Yes Jim you are close with servus, it is a popular greeting in Austria, like hi here.
- 1Cust130.tnt10.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:58:00 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary - I know they have a wine region - in Meierle - and they were supposedly good wines. I was too young back then to sample them. Don't now if they still grow wine thee. We had some excellent wines in our vinyard, I'm told
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 02:58:31 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Actually, as Franz will agree, it's both 'Hi' and 'Bye' and the original term, supposedly, is "I am your servant" --
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:00:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ed & Mary were here a little while ago. Ed, is there any way to find out some dates or villages for those people on the list you sent me months ago about the early Gottscheers in Ohio. There is a site online called the 1910 Ohio census Miracode index and it is loaded with Gottscheer names. I can calculate birthyears but I don't know how accurate they are. There seems as if there were a lot of Gottscheers in Ohio in the late 1800's.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:00:09 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
well maybe I have a chance to find some from there then
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:00:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sort of like "ciao". Can be used coming and going. I will go snooping online with google.com or dogpile.com and see what comes up about Slovenian wines. Be right back.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:01:46 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary - I'd give it a pass! My father imported his own wine from Spain!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:01:52 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Is anyone going to be on next week - it being SuperBowl Sunday, I've been warned?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:02:46 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: Sorry we don't know. Only copied information from a back issue of a Gottschee Tree we had gotten. We do know there were lots of Gottscheers in and around Cleveland.
- mod29.new-philly.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:03:48 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes we can get wines from most countries, just never even thought about wines from Gottschee before, so don't know if any are available.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:04:24 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:




- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:05:49 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
google.com had a great site which gives a short history of wine making in Slovenian as well as the types of grapes. Go to google.com, advanced search and put in "Slovenia wines".
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:06:23 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
sorry,
that was me cursing the superbowl.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:06:43 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
ok JIm will try that
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:06:49 (GMT)
Ridy :
The usual way father served our own wines was mixed with honey and orange juice! He said it was a cheap way to keep the ladies happy.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:07:10 (GMT)
Ridy :
The usual way father served our own wines was mixed with honey and orange juice! He said it was a cheap way to keep the ladies happy.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:07:12 (GMT)
Franz:
Holly must have not taken care of her phone bill. I am beeing bounced continuosly.
- 1Cust122.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:07:44 (GMT)
:
My dad used to let us have wine on holidays mixed with 7-up.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:08:21 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Holly: We've suddenly become avid Giants fans! How about you?
- mod29.new-philly.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:08:52 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Sorry that was me that sent the message without a name
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:08:55 (GMT)
Ridy :
Sorry for bringing it up, Holly! Caroline's been invited to a wedding next Sunday evening and it has been made known that there would be TVs in the banquet room! And this is in Canada!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:09:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
They have been drinking wine in Ohio and the phones are being affected. Ridy, you will not deter me. I will drink Gottscheer or Slovenian wine one day even if it may adversely affect my taste buds. Holly, did the Ravens have some connection with Ohio at some point? Only kidding. I was rooting for the Vikings. What a pitiful showing!!!
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:11:03 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Yikes, tv at a wedding. No thank you.
altho I wouldn't mind if it was set up in the bar area.
Yes, I am definately a new Giant's fan.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:12:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Only wine we had was some sweet Concord Grape wine on special occasions and then it was only a small sip. Had a taste of it this summer. It tasted better when I was younger.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:12:37 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Jim,
don't even joke about us Browns fans.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:13:26 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I hate the Giants but don't know if I can root for the Ravens without affecting my relationship with Holly. Maybe I will just come to the chat room. I think the Super Bowl is too much "hype".
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:14:10 (GMT)
Ridy :
Didn't you drink Mogan David wine when you were young? We thought it was great! Until father figured out it wasn't really just grape juice!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:14:36 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I would of cheered for the Vikings, but they sure got stage fright
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:14:38 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
It was Mogan David my dad mixed the 7-up with!!!
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:15:23 (GMT)
Ridy :
That will make two of us here, Jim.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:15:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, now, now. We can't take it too seriously. The Cowboys weren't even close and the Vikings should have been put on their funeral pyre before the game because they were dead before it started. There is always next year but I don't think the Cowboys will be any better and the Vikings always get snuffed in the big game.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:16:11 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
We are goiing to some friends house to eat and play dominoes...don't think I will see much of the game.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:16:23 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
not Mogan David here. Mostly Thunderbird, Ripple, or Rythm. Cheaper the better. kids stuff.
- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:16:36 (GMT)
Ridy :
Well, now you see Mary, we do have a lot in common! Do they still sell that stuff? I should get a bottle, just for old times' sake.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:16:59 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
That thunderbird was a high voltage wine, not good for kids!!! lol now ripple was more like pop
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:17:40 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
My concord grape was Manischewitz. We called Mogen David -- Mad Dog because it was inexpensive and easy to drink but could give you a serious hangover.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:17:41 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes we still sell it, and believe it or not it sells petty well at holiday time expecially
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:18:17 (GMT)
Ridy :
Oh, I love those names, Holly!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:18:19 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
hahaha! massive headaches!!!!
- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:18:50 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
there is a mogan david wine now called 20-20 that is higher in alcohol and is called mad dog.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:19:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Now we are talking some seriously poor wines. Do you remember lambrusco? That was very popular many years ago. Sort of in the white zinfandel area. Sweet but a cut above the others we are talking about.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:19:26 (GMT)
Ridy :
I could still sing you the commercial for Manischewitz . . .Oh man, oh Manischewitz what a wine! How old does that make me?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:19:55 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim lambrusco is still very popular here
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:20:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
That's it ---- Mad Dog 20-20. Never had it but heard plenty about it.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:20:13 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Jim,
that was "man oh man, its Manschewitz" some old time commerial that was.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:20:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Do you agree that it is in the same taste range as white zinfandel. Sweetish and very easy to drink. It is not very popular in the northeast at the current time.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:21:28 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ridy,
that is too funny, while I am trying to figure out how to spell. you wrote the same thing. great minds....

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:22:06 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
and we sell lots of white zinfandel also, now they have started making a white merlot also.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:22:07 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I remember that commercial. Wish I could remember other things that well.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:22:18 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
hmmm that useless information.....
- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:23:10 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes lambrusco is a little sweet and fizzy. and i think there will always be a market for it, cause it is usally the new wine drinkers that like it
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:23:26 (GMT)
Ridy :
What happened to Franz? He's probably off drinking by himself while we're here talking about it! And what about Mary and Ed? Where did they get to?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:23:42 (GMT)
Franz:
I am back you old wine'os. Mary , keep a good Cal. Red for when I stop by.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:23:46 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
None of them said goodbye
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:24:05 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Goodnight everyone. Want to catch the sports on the 10 o'clock news. Go Giants!
- mod29.new-philly.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:24:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
My 23 year old daughter likes white zinfandel. I gave her some Riesling-auslese on Monday and it was one of the sweeter ones. She really liked it. I did,too. I would guess that Austrians would have something like that. I believe they have some very high quality dessert wines.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:24:34 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Franz I have quite a few good Cal reds in the store.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:24:51 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I love the auslesse wines....
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:25:22 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
They are almost always sweet, and that is why I like them. I am one of those who like the sweeter wines.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:25:56 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
I agree that it is bedtime. Great time talking wines. take care everyone. Rudy has an afternoon treatment tomorrow so I might be able to get some work done around here.
See you next week.

- 246-59.suite224.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:26:06 (GMT)
Ridy :
Have any of you tried our Canadian Icewine? I picked up some bottles down in the Niagara Falls region, and they're still sitting here, unopened.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:26:38 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Icewine is supposed to be delicious also
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:27:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good bye, Ed & Mary. Mary T., just keep a couple of bottles ready. I like to bounce around and try different wines. Red, white, dry, fruity. I am getting thirsty but it is definitely not time to be imbibing. I get the same way watching TV at this time of the night when they start showing all the food commercials.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:27:12 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I have had one from Germany
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:27:17 (GMT)
Ridy :
Good night Holly!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:27:33 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Good night HOlly
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:27:57 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Holly. Good luck as well.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:28:17 (GMT)
Ridy :
Good Night, Ed and Mary!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:28:35 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, I enjoy a glas or two at the campfire on the Eagle Peak ranch. I sit their by the fire past midnight waiting for bears, coyotes or whatever might come.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:28:37 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
franz sounds wonderful
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:29:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
The Canadian eisweins are supposed to be very good. Perhaps we can talk about genealogy but that would probably make everyone sign off. Wine seems to be a hot topic. I wonder what our Gottscheer grandfathers would think. (probably that we should stick to bier or plum brandy).
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:30:05 (GMT)
Franz:
Perhaps we could talk Jim into a bearwatch.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:30:28 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I have had an imported plum brandy in the store also. called slivovitz or some such name
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:31:20 (GMT)
Ridy :
Franz - and what would you do if they came? Invite
them to join you for a drink? I thought a fire would keep the wild animals away -- or am I wrong?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:31:22 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I think my favorite meal would be a nice bottle of red, a nice bottle of white, several types of cheese (one of which should be sharp like a Romano), bread, and seasoned olive oil. I would, of course, share the victuals with one and all.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:31:46 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
That sounds good with a little fruit to go with it, and maybe some blue cheese also
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:32:24 (GMT)
Ridy :
Slivovitz is THE Slovenian brandy --
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:32:54 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, that's why I am still waiting.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:32:55 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
That is the name for the plum brandy. Ridy used to drink that all the time while waiting for bears or watching golf games. Franz, you would have to give me the alcohol before talking me into a bear watch.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:32:57 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
ah so you know about it too
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:33:08 (GMT)
Ridy :
You forgot the olives, Jim
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:33:53 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
the brandy used to be 100 proof but what I got last time was only 80 proof
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:34:05 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Damn, now I am both thirsty or hungry. I must fend off both impulses. If I went downstairs now, I would probably end up with yogurt and seltzer water.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:34:08 (GMT)
Ridy :
LOL
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:34:48 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Olives would be fine. Some smoked sausage with crackers could be added for a change of pace.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:35:06 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
lolol I think I still have time for a glass of wine tonite!!
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:35:11 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, no problem. Marys store is only a 45 minute drive from there.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:35:21 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes I am nice and handy!!! lol
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:36:10 (GMT)
Ridy :
Hate to leave the party folks, but my cat is demanding her dinner!
It's been fun -
see you next week.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:39:20 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz und Mary, ich muss mit meiner Frau uber den sprechen. Sie muss die Versicherungpolice uberprufen. How did that one come out?
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:39:30 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, if we invite Mary she might even deliver your favorite spirit.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:39:44 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
good night Ridy enjoyed the chat
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:39:55 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes I always love a little party!!!!
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:40:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, have a good night. Good to talk and email with you. Keeps the brain working.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:40:18 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, not to bad.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:40:54 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
well Jim, I don't understand enough German to know lol
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:40:56 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sounds better all the time. Bring on those bears. I want 'em now.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:41:05 (GMT)
Franz:
Well, Good Night everyone. See you next week.
- 1Cust79.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:42:05 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
You only say that cause you know you are safe tonite!!! lol
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:42:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I must speak with my wife about that. She is going to check out the insurance policy. Franz, I could tell that would be close enough when I read it. Other times, I can tell that the program is kicking it wide right.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:42:33 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ok goodnight franz and ridy
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:42:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Franz. Mary, you bet. I liken a bear watch to diving for sharks. I like scuba diving and don't mind seeing a shark here and there but I won't invite them for dinner.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:43:36 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Well Jim I guess everyone is ready to call it a night.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:43:43 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim I agree on the bears.
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:44:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, I am going to circle the wagons myself. Have a good night. It was fun yukking it up over wine. I enjoy a good laugh as well as a good glass. If you have time for one, go for it. I may look for the seltzer water.
- spider-ti054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:45:23 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
good night JIm yep the wine chat was fun. see ya
- spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 03:46:32 (GMT)
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- spider-to071.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 16:18:30 (GMT)
Melissa Farinaro:
Hi, my name is Melissa Farinaro and I do not know what this thing is about but I came across it while looking for a church that I used to go to when I lived in Ridgewood, NY. I used to attend St. Mathias church and the school therer. I moved away to Maine while I was half way through the second grade. I have been back to the old neighborhood, last January. A lot has changed. I used to live on George street. I was wondering if anyone can help me locate anything on the net about St. Mathias Catholic church. This is the closest I can get. I heard some people mention stuff about St. Bridgets church. I used to go to girl scout meetings at that school and I had an Aunt that lived on Bleeker street. Her name was Mary Peterson and her moms name was Irene Peterson. They were Girl Scout leaders. Could someone please tell me what this place is all about and how to chat with other people on here. I would really appreciate it. I am currently living in California and am 23 years old.
- ppp-209-79-182-240.vntrcs.pacbell.net - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 20:30:14 (GMT)
Melissa Farinaro:
Will someone please tell me what I'm supposed to do on here? I have absolutely no clue as to what the hell I am doing. Is this a chat room or just a place that you leave feed back? If anyone wants to send me E-mail, my adress is city_mouse77@yahoo.com This is really weird.
- ppp-209-79-182-240.vntrcs.pacbell.net - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 20:33:52 (GMT)
Melissa Farinaro:
Helooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! Is anybody there? I'm gonna go now, I've got laundry to do and I can't stay out here much longer. It's been fun. So, like um, somebody E-mail me o.k?
I love meeting new people, especially if you live in Ridgewood. I miss it a lot. I wish I never had to move away from there. I left behind all of my friends and relatives in NY. Now, I'm here in California and the weather is damn great! Are you all enjoying the snow and ice and cold bitchy weather?

- ppp-209-79-182-240.vntrcs.pacbell.net - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 20:36:58 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Can someone help me find Mrs Wolf she lives in kansas City
Mo. All I know is that she is from the City of Gottschee. Har husband was a painter (Mahler Wolf)There must be
100 Wolf's in Kansas City. Help

- spider-mtc-ti012.proxy.aol.com - Friday, January 26, 2001 at 00:56:15 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
To Fred Falkner: Marie Wolf is living with her daughter in Johnson county Kansas. Her daughter's email is:
lottiewh@aol.com. I print and mail the plauderzimmer notes each Sunday night. SHe is very happy to get them. Marie is 90 now and has arecently been treated for cancer. I know she would like to hear from you.

- A020-0748.KSCY.splitrock.net - Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 01:00:03 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Margaret. Thank you Very much. I have E-mailed several timer to lottiewh@aol.com but no answer.
I am glad that I put my notice into the PLAUDERZIMMER.
Vielen dank Fred Falkner
craftsfred@aol.com

- spider-mtc-tb071.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 13:21:37 (GMT)
Alois Bahoritsch:
Came to this country in 1950. Born in Slovania in Gottschee.
Have an old book which traces some of the history of the settlement in the USA. It was published by the Gottscheer und Amerikaner in 1947 or there about. Any interest I can be reached at mbahoritsch@aol.com

- spider-wk064.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 16:05:15 (GMT)
Werner Sajowitz:
Hi all. Grew up in Ridgewood and now live in Fla. Anyone interested in writing , I can be reached at "excelmania@aol.com" Sometimes I wish I had grown up in beautiful Slovenia. Maybe next time around . . .cheers
- spider-tq073.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 02:36:33 (GMT)
Sophia:
Just want to remind everyone about the Conference & Seminars in Slovenia. Dates are Sept. 8 - 14, 2001 in Ljubljana. The theme of the conference (the first of its kind ever) is "BRIDGING OUR WORLDS". It is sponsored by the Slovenian Genealogy Society of America and Slovenia in cooperation with the Gottscheer Heritage & Genealogy Assn. (GHGA) and the FEEFHS. Its sure to be an interesting event. If interested contact Kollander Travel, Cleveland, Ohio by calling 1-800-800-5981 for a brochure.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 01:27:51 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten abend. Terrible in KCMO. Ice everywhere. Hope you are having better weather elsewhere.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:08:39 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret!
I thought you'd be watching the Superbowl. It's not too bad up here - but we're supposed to be getting rain, as in freezing rain, tomorrow. Don't like that at all!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:12:35 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Glad you are on. Lady named Melissa contacted me this week. Wants help with people who once lived in Ridgewood. Told her to log on and there would be lots of help.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:15:47 (GMT)
Ridy :
I noticed her posting, Margaret. Never lived in Ridgewood but sure liked visiting there a lot back in the 50s and 60s.
Glad you were able to help Fred Falkner get back in touch with Marie Wolf. . .

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:18:29 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: My aunt and uncle ran the Gottscheer club back in the late 50's. I visited there once, so I kind of know what it was like. Eduard Stalzer is my cousin. His Grandmother and grandfather were the people who ran the clubhouse. Their name was Lackner. Hermann and Anna.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:24:26 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there Ridy and Margaret,
How is everything? Ridy, you're taking a break from your book? I have been working on some family trees.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:26:23 (GMT)
Ridy :
Interesting; that would have been when my uncle would take me there. Apparently we wouldn't recognize the place anymore, it's been renovated and done up very nicely,I'm told.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:26:48 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Holly: Glad you logged on. Pretty lonesome here tonight. Gues the Super Bowl has all the attention tonight.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:27:36 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
There is that Ridgewood again. I put a message on the bulletin board for anyone to talk about the Cleveland neighborhood or Kansas City. No one has replied. Wonder if they didn't have the closeness as Ridgewood did?
- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:28:46 (GMT)
Ridy :
Hi Holly!
It's the calm befor the storm! I've just completed arrangements for my trip to Kitchener tomorrow, and my first session with my 90-year-old aunt and several cousins is on Tuesday morning. I'll probably keep at it for 3 or 4 days. So I should have lots of new material when I get back. I think we're into the home stretch now.

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:29:12 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Margaret,
Didn't want to waste my time watching those lousy Ravens!!!

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:29:38 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Wow Ridy,
That sounds wonderful. Are you getting them alone or in a group? Things get pretty hectic when everyone talks at once.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:30:59 (GMT)
Ridy :
Hardly lousy, Holly! They're leading the invincible Giants 31-7! So much for Tim Russert's prediction - again!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:31:25 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Oh Ridy,
Those Ravens are lousy to us Brown fans.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:32:15 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Holly: The Gottscheers in KCMO are not as organized as in other places. Most of them in KC are my relatives. Some of us went to the treffen in Cleneland two years ago. Marie Wolf was the orgnizer, but she has had a bout with cancer and is now recovering from radiation and chemo. We need a leader!
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:33:22 (GMT)
Ridy :
I was hoping to get them alone, the way I did on my last visit - but it sounds as if other arrangements have been made. Everyone wants in on it now, it seems, so I'm typing up my questions and I shall try to stick to them. But sometimes the different by-ways and sideways uncover interesting stuff. . . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:33:44 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend meine Damen. Holly why did you let them go? Look how they are playing.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:34:40 (GMT)
Ridy :
Margaret - when you're looking for a leader, look in the mirror!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:34:46 (GMT)
Ridy :
Grüß Dich, Franz!
Wie gehts? Wie stehts

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:35:42 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Of course, you are right. But I have so many other commitments that it's hard. My Tante Leni Yonke in Mahopac, New York, is very active in Gorttscheer things in NY.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:36:54 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ridy,
I can imagine how interesting it will be. I always had a love of family history. Funny that I absolutely hated history of any other kind.

Margaret,
Seems that Cleveland might have been the same way. I know that there are 2 Gottscheer Clubs in Cleveland because of some disagreement.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:37:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, Danke mir geht es besser als den Riesen.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:37:53 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there Franz,
they must have needed that wonderful Boston weather.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:39:16 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Anyone: If you hear from someone named Melissa, please leave a message on the plauderzimmer. I'm afraid I haven't been much help to her. SHe lives in California now, but did live in Ridgewood.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:41:16 (GMT)
Ridy :
I never knew that, Holly - that Cleveland has two Gottscheer Clubs. Since when? Always?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:42:04 (GMT)
Franz:
Holly, I think they must have been drinking some of that aged tea from the harbor.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:42:26 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Must log off now. Auf Wiedersehen. Alles gut.
- A020-0827.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:42:34 (GMT)
Ridy :
Servus, Margaret.


- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:43:19 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Now Ridy,
I don't know for sure how long it has been since they split. I will have to ask my mother in law. I know that they were split at least 30 years.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:44:28 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
bye Margaret
- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:44:43 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, if I remember right the Gottscheers in Austria also had some disagreement, mostly the ones in Steiermark and Kaernten.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:45:14 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
so Franz,
are you keeping one eye on the game?

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:45:30 (GMT)
Ridy :
Well, you know what they say about us Gottscheers - we are "ein streitsüchtiges Völklein" - and the shoe does fit!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:46:15 (GMT)
Franz:
Holly, no, only an occasional glimps.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:46:51 (GMT)
Ridy :
Still 34-7
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:47:15 (GMT)
Franz:
Ladies, the game is history.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:48:01 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:


- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:48:21 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
oops, I meant to say, what does that mean.
- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:48:48 (GMT)
Ridy :
There are gremlins in the Plauderzimmer tonight! I keep getting knocked off
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:49:58 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hey,
where is a translation site?

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:50:11 (GMT)
Ridy :
Oh - you mean the phrase I used; it means that we're always fighting about something.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:51:05 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
oooo,
I thought it was my server. When I checked for messages, everything went white.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:51:17 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ridy,
I don't think that just applies to Gottscheers. You should hear my father in law argue with his brother. They are germans from Berlin, orginally Pommern's

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:53:17 (GMT)
Ridy :
I'm sure it's true anywhere where you have a group of people who are highly opinionated.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:55:30 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Well,
I still have to get some stuff done around here. I go back to babysitting tomorrow. take care all. Ridy have a good trip.

- ashdial-243.suite224.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:56:12 (GMT)
Franz:
Ther is a movement in the Chicago area to unite all German Clubs to one. You should see the disagreements.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:56:21 (GMT)
Ridy :
I'm sure babysitting will be a nice change for you. But hectic! Take care Holly!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:57:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night Holly.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:57:07 (GMT)
Ridy :
We used to have several here in Toronto - but both the Austrian and German Clubs sold their properties. . . not enough interest anymore, it seems
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 02:58:37 (GMT)
Ridy :
Gee, I thought we'd get some company from the SuperBowl watchers now that the game is over . . .
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:00:32 (GMT)
Jim:
Good evening to all. I stayed for the whole sordid affair. Actually my wife wanted to watch the whole thing. It is the only game she watches from start to finish. She will probably even look at the postgame blahblahblah.
- spider-wq082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:01:18 (GMT)
Ridy :
don't knock it, Jim! It beats 24-hour-a-day golf! Once a year isn't that bad!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:02:32 (GMT)
Jim:
There was a German club in Norwalk, Ct.but they closed that down and sold it. We were married there. As the neighborhoods change, there is less interest. I would think the GHGA should think of ways to get more of the youngsters interested.
- spider-wq082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:02:56 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, the Oldtimers are tiring and the new generation has no stomach for work and time and financial contribution. It happens to all european clubs, even the loacal Shriners had to sell their Historic Temple in Downton Chicago for the same reason.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:03:18 (GMT)
Jim:
Golf------ yecch and blech. Basketball forever (or until the body gives out).
- spider-wq082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:03:35 (GMT)
Jim:
Perhaps the internet is the way to go but the old clubs should still be the local meeting places. Emails and chat rooms are fine but the good old face to face meetings are the best for long term bonds.
- spider-wq082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:04:49 (GMT)
Ridy :
I think you hit the nail on the head, Franz. . . I know it's the same in Kitchener - there are fewer and fewer people to do the work.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:04:55 (GMT)
Franz:
Hello Jim, so you enjoyed the Ravens beating the GIANTS?
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:05:43 (GMT)
Ridy :
Gute Nacht, meine Herren ~
still have things to assemble for my trip tomorrow. See you next week!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:08:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Guetei Nocht, Ridy.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:09:35 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night everyone.
- 1Cust159.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:11:43 (GMT)
Jim:
Not a Giants fan nor Ravens fan. Was hoping for a more competitive game. Good night, Ridy and Franz. Ridy, Good luck with the battling Gottscheers.
- spider-wq082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:13:52 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I suppose everyone has signed off by now.
- spider-wc023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:46:44 (GMT)
Sophia:
I agree, we need to motivate and encourage the younger Gottscheers to get interested and be supportive of preserving their history and culture. How do we do that?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 04:14:56 (GMT)
Lynn :
Anyone still here?
- ilmarn49.shawneelink.net - Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 01:54:45 (GMT)
Fred:
Margaret Jonke thank you for putting me in touch with
Mrs. Maria Wolf

- spider-mtc-ta044.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 13:01:42 (GMT)
John:
Sophia,Young people are being informed and getting involved with the Gottscheer cultural experience through the medium of the internet,and it is in sites like the plauedernzimmer that the culture will survive.
- 207.159.239.156 - Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 17:34:06 (GMT)
Sophia:
Thank you John for posting your message. Your observation is a good one. What else can be done?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 23:14:08 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Margaret Jonke Could you E-mail me. craftsfred@aol.com
I would appreciate if you could.

- spider-tj073.proxy.aol.com - Friday, February 02, 2001 at 14:47:58 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret Jonke. Regarding the discussion on the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer regarding the Gottscheers in your part of the country. The GHGA held its annual meeting in KC perhaps in 1995. It turned out to be a wonderful Gottscheer Reunion and included routine business meetings, a Polka Mass at the beautiful church and an afternoon of socializing, visiting, eating and even some dancing. We had over 100 attending so it appears to me that there are a good number with Gottscheer heritage living in the area. There is no doubt in my mind that they could organize into an active group. Margaret, how about it?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, February 03, 2001 at 14:54:54 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: THe 1995 meeting happened before I was truly interested in Gottschee heritage. Marie Wolf really got up interested and got up the trip to the Cleveland treffen.
- A010-1510.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:05:44 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten abend. ANyone on?? Eddie, are you on?
- A010-1510.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:11:20 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret - Thanks for your response. Very happy to have you interested in the Gottscheer heritage now. The more the merrier. Perhaps you can give some thoughts to organizing a Gottscheer group? Would be great.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:25:19 (GMT)
Fred:
Guten Abend Margaret danke fuer deine e-mail adresse
- spider-tj052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:26:42 (GMT)
:
Sophia: It's a good sign that the young people are interested in their heritage. I have an honorary cousin who watched his Grossmutter bake and cook German dishes and now that she has passed on, he cooks the food.
- A010-1510.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:34:32 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Not many on tonight. Will say: auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-1510.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:39:46 (GMT)
Sophia:
Agreed. I watched my Gottscheer mother and grandmother do the same thing. Now I am cooking their wonderful dishes for our family and do a pretty darn good job too. It pays to pay attention and listen I guess. The Gottscheers, by the way, are wonderful cooks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:41:05 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hey, Fred, how about you getting into this discussion about cooking and baking? I have tried some of your wonderful recipes. The results: DELICIOUS!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:42:36 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Anyone left in the room??
- spider-mtc-tc073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:55:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
If anyone shows up,just drop me an email at DocH301454@aol.com.
- spider-mtc-tc073.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 02:56:42 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Anyone still here?
- spider-wg043.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 03:12:07 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Fred..where would we get your receipes from? Do you have a cookbook?
- spider-wg043.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 03:14:04 (GMT)
Fred:
No i do not have a cook book. I started to enjoy cooking and baking when I retired but my wife still worked. Then when she retired, I still continued by helping her in the kitchen. We enjoy doing it together especially when we have company. One of the dishes I like to do is to debone a large chicken or small turkey. I also like to bake pies, bread and yeast cakes. When I was single and living at home, I did not bake as my mother was in charge of her kitchen and no one could compete with her baking.
- spider-mtc-tg024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 12:32:33 (GMT)
Fred:
Do any of you make Sulze? MMM good
- spider-mtc-tg024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 12:39:18 (GMT)
Sophia:
Mary, regarding your comment on the cookbook. You probably know this already but if you don't Albert Belay of New York wrote a wonderful Gottscheer cookbook - in German and English. It's easy to follow and used often in this house. If you need further information let me know. Have a good week.

And yes Fred I grew up with Sulze too. My parents used to make their own and I liked it. Memories, memories!

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 05, 2001 at 15:30:52 (GMT)
Sheila Kapella:
I note Amazon.com is offering a book entitled "Gottscheers" by Rudy
Kikel. Does anyone know what this book covers? There is no description
on the Amazon site.
Thank You. Sheila Kapella

- 46.chicago-26-27rs.il.dial-access.att.net - Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 00:39:19 (GMT)
Sophia:
Rudy's book tells the story of the Gottschee's through poerty. It is beautifully done.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 04:47:41 (GMT)
John:
The book has very little factual information about Gottschee and the ending paragraph is an insult to any Gottscheer's sense of a "Heimatland,"he says the land now belongs to the original owners,denying the blood and sweat and suffering of the germanic people who developed the uninhabited forest for 700 years.
- user-2inig92.dialup.mindspring.com - Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 15:03:16 (GMT)
George Huber:
John I bought the "booklet" written by Mr.Kikel and I am sorry I wasted my money.
- 207.159.233.156 - Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 18:45:20 (GMT)
Philip:
The best Gottscheer book that one can purchase is the "Jahr Hundert Buch"by Mr. Petschauer.
- 207.159.244.160 - Wednesday, February 07, 2001 at 20:07:55 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Fred and Sophia What is Sulze??
- spider-wc051.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 14:06:09 (GMT)
Maridi :
Sophia W. please, send me your e- mail adress.
- AS-102-158.dial-up.siol.net - Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 12:59:27 (GMT)
philip:
Sulze is a gelatinous substance with bits of meat eaten with fresh onions and vinegar and oil.
- 207.159.233.156 - Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 15:22:01 (GMT)
Sophia:
Thank you Philip. Well done and delicious too. Where, might I ask are you from and do you have Gottscheer connections. Would enjoy hearing from you. Thanks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 17:05:11 (GMT)
THEPOJE@aol.com:
The best food my mother every made was her famous apple strudel. MMMMMMgood
- spider-mtc-tc054.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 21:21:01 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dear Pojes. I am with you. Nothing like a good Gottscheer Apfelstrudel.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 01:33:49 (GMT)
:
Apfelstrudel? Where?
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:04:40 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend to all. Ridy: Thank you so much for the poem you emailed me. Sorry I didn't scroll down far enough on athe first look. THe poem brought tears to my eyes. I hear stories from my relatives about the horrible time they had after WWII. THank you again.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:06:57 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Sent the poem on to Mrs. Wolf and several other Gottshceer relatives.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:09:17 (GMT)
:
Margaret: What's new in the Gottscheer community in the KC area?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:09:55 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend Margaret, looks like we are the earlybirds.
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:13:44 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Not much new in KCMO, except ice, snow, and cold. THis has been a lousy winter. We got spoiled for 2 years and now we're getting paid back, I guess. Or maybe we're just going back to normal winter weather??
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:13:53 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: So glad you logged on. Thought I was alone on line tonight.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:14:46 (GMT)
Franz:
Yup, the same in Chicagoland.
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:14:55 (GMT)
Franz:
Not at all, looks like there is a Mystery Guest.
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:16:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, I have not been on for a while, how is it going?
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:17:17 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Actually, pretty slow. Guess people are busy. Who might our Mystery Guest be??
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:20:34 (GMT)
Franz:
I am surprised Ridy and Jim are in hiding.
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:22:41 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Eddie Stalzer: If you happen to log on sometime, how about dropping me an email? I want you know if you and your family are well. I email your mom and she emails me.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:23:22 (GMT)
Franz:
I will be back in a while.
- 2Cust83.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:31:54 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: I was thinking of logging off, but I'll wait for awhile.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:34:43 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:39:14 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Pretty thin crowd tonight. Franz has gone off somewhere, but promised to return. Hope you had a good week. Awful weather in KCMO
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:40:35 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I have had a good weekend. We got all that snow and ice on Thursday and sent it your way!
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:41:14 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary: Thanks a lot. Looks like we will start out the week with warm temps, but it all goes downhill by the week-end. We're really ready for spring.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:42:37 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes we have had more bad weather than usual here too
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:43:38 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Must go for this week. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0956.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:44:37 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Bye Margaret
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:45:21 (GMT)
Sophia from Minnesota:
Just noticed that I failed to identify myself in the earlier message for Margaret asking about the Gottscheer community in KC. Need to be more careful, I guess.

Am wondering if any of you might have old photos of Gottschee. They could be of either persons or villages etc. Would enjoy hearing from any of you who might have some and be willing to send me copies. Thanks very much. I wish you all a great week. We missed the ice but had 12 inches dumped on us on Friday. Today sunny but very cold.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 02:53:06 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Anybody left in the chat room??
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:01:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I will be checking my emails so if you are still on, just send me a note.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:02:17 (GMT)
John Poje:
greetings from bayside ny
- spider-ti044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:04:05 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Just popping in to say "Hi" for a minute!
Anyone left in the chat room?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:09:40 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I am still hanging around Jim. Anyone else here.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:10:00 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:10:25 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hi John
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:10:48 (GMT)
John Poje:
hello....i'm the new kid on the block...i mean zimmer
- spider-ti044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:12:31 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
John--considering the others--I am a new kid too. My great-grandparents came here from Bistriz.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:13:38 (GMT)
John Poje:
my parents arrived in 1952
- spider-ti044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:14:31 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Everyone has been very helpful to me in my research.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:18:18 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I am back. Hello, John. Any further success on your family tree? Hi, Mary. Hope you are still on.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:20:08 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes Jim I am still here. I have been working on photos all day, and inbetween chatting tonite.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:23:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Have had a busy week chatting with Gottscheers here and there. New ones from Minnesota, Long Island, Ontario, New York.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:24:49 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hopefully some will join the GHGA and the chat room. Seem like a nice bunch of people.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:25:23 (GMT)
Sophia from Minnesota:
Hi John Poje. Could I ask when, in 1952, your parents arrived and on what ship? My parents and I left Bremerhafren on April 16 and arrived in NY on April 26. The ship was: USNS Gen. Muir. Would enjoy hearing from you. Thanks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:27:28 (GMT)
Sophia from Minnesota:
Hi John Poje. Could I ask when, in 1952, your parents arrived and on what ship? My parents and I left Bremerhafren on April 16 and arrived in NY on April 26. The ship was: USNS Gen. Muir. Would enjoy hearing from you. Thanks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:28:11 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sophia, is that a Trix by any other name that would not smell so sweet--- to paraphrase that great Gottscheer author, Shakesbier.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:28:58 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim Have you found any of my relatives for me?????
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:29:50 (GMT)
Sophia from Minnesota:
Well, Dr. Jim, Shakesbier and I never did hit it off. Sophia is indeed Trix by any name. Good to see aboard. How are you doing?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:30:37 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, will check but you guys were such early movers and from a parish where my information is limited.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:31:48 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I am just giving you a bad time. lol I do have a couple of elusive relatives I wish I could find tho.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:32:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I am doing fine. My wife brought me a butter cake from Philadelphia and it went down so smoothly with a glass of milk. Other than that everything is good.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:32:53 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi again, everyone. . .I'm back too.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:33:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, still the same old, same old for you. Have come across some more Gottscheers that went in your general areas --- Iowa to Minnesota to South Dakota with some staying in all three areas. Last name of Juran with some side Finks and a Tscherne or two.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:34:40 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, was it the fine conversation or the thought of the butter cake that brought you back. You are probably still sated from the fine family cooking.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:35:38 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Well isnt that interesting. One of my cousins married a Juran, somewhere in Minnesota
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:36:05 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
You're right Jim - cake is off the menu for a while.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:36:25 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Possible link with that one. Was the Juran from the general area of St.Paul? Who knows?
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:37:17 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim my cousin lived in Breckenridge MN but have no idea where her husband, Dennis Juran, was from. I will have to find out.
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:39:33 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
On a subject that somewhat vexes me ------ how come the Gottscheer organizations are not very helpful when it comes to genealogy information. Ridy and I have had this conversation but I can't seem to find any organization that is willing to share information about their members. That is beside the GHGA which does a good job of publishing family trees and stories.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:41:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
When I see a contact in Germany and Austria, I will ask if there is a place to email for information but so far no luck. The number of Gottscheers that we know about is the tip of the iceberg. I run across so many Gottscheer names in the SSDI and in the Ohio 1910 census. But without more precise information, it is hard to link them with the old country. These are probably the same families that married in Gottschee and then have no children listed as marrying later on. That is because they most likely moved to other places.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:44:41 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Too many distractions for me tonight, I'm afraid. Good night, all, and I hope to see you in the chat room next week.
Gute Nacht!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:46:55 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Gute nacht, Ridy. Moegen Sie angenehme Traume haben.


- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:49:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
"oe" = o mit umlaut.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:49:55 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Good night Ridy
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:52:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I am going to sign off now as well. Keep in touch and have a good weekend.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:54:10 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Good night Jim see you next week
- spider-wo032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 03:54:40 (GMT)
Sophia:
Mary: I would be interested in the Jurans as well. When my mother, father and I arrived in St. Paul, Mn. in April of 1952 we lived with a lady by the name of Juran for a few months. Unfortunately for me I do not recall her first name and do not remember if she had family but I do know that she was a Gottscheerin. Would be nice to know if she may have been the same lady.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 04:17:49 (GMT)
John Poje:
sophia, sorry my mom does not remember the name of the boat.
All I know is my mom came from Kletsch, Altlag and my dad from Gehack Suchen. His family was known as "pettersch Poje"
I was born in Brooklyn (YIKES!)New York. Brooklyn was much nicer back in 1954

- spider-wf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 04:34:21 (GMT)
John Poje:
Sophia, I noticed you are from Minnesota. I used to work for Hormel Foods, located in Austin, Minnesota but I was a rep in NY
- spider-wf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 04:36:39 (GMT)
John Poje:
Jim,sorry, I scrolled down and found your message just now. Yes, I saw my mom today and she confirmed everything you wrote. She had another brother called Alois who went to live with his aunt.My dad had a sister, Mitzi, who died of an illness (?) when she was a child. Thank you so much
- spider-wf023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 04:43:19 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi John: I know the Hormel company well as we enjoy some of their products. While Austin is located in the southern part of Mn. we live near Aitkin, approximately 2 hours straight west of Duluth. Please encourage your mother to try to remember the name of the ship. Do they have any photos of either Kletch or Gehack? Have they ever returned to visit the Gottscheer region? I hope they, and you, will have the opportunity to do it. You will be surprised at the beauty of the land and the warm hospitality of the people. Have a good week.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 04:50:50 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim: You raise a good question regarding the matter of sharing the Gottscheer genealogy and information. How about it? Why is that? It is worth thinking about and discussing. So everyone ponder the issue and give us your thoughts on the matter.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 04:52:51 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Sophia I did not realize you lived so close to my home area. It is about 4 hours inbetween Duluth and Breckenridge so you are about half way. I will see what I can find out about the Juran name.
- spider-tj024.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 02:25:57 (GMT)
John Poje:
Hello Sophia
When I see her this weekend, I will ask if she remembers the name of the boat or the month she arrived in America. Only my mom's stepbrother went back overseas in the past decade to visit relatives there.Take care!

- spider-mtc-tc084.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 04:41:32 (GMT)
Carolyn S. Cecil:
Hello everyone! Urska, the apple trees and lilacs are in full bloom here also in Illinois. Farmers are planting corn already. Looking for information on Maria Simec b. 18 Sept 1871 in Slovenia. Urska, is the "t" in your name silent? Happy Easter to all...
- cca69.ccaonline.com - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 00:23:44 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Does anyone know why the message below keeps coming back into the loop? How do the gremlins get into this chatroom?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 14:54:34 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, perhaps the message is a secret code for the invasion of the 51st state north of the border. At least the message is a happy one. Can't wait until this easter is in bloom again.
- spider-wg053.proxy.aol.com - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:19:45 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hmmmmm. . . . .lilacs and apple trees in bloom in February...forget the corn, bring on the invasion of spring in the frigid North right now!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 22:34:07 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I have been wondering where that message keeps froming come also!!!
- spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 02:53:35 (GMT)
Franz:
Wake up guys, it's still winter.
- 1Cust11.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 03:26:12 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz, you are right on. It indeed is still winter. Try -35°F below zero during the night. Brrr. But, spring is just around the corner. So, Franz get ready. We are shipping it your way. Enjoy a good weekend!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:51:26 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Mary, Jim, Ridi, and Carolyn (if you see this), the repeat message means that Caroly's browser has found a way to bookmark not the page, but the URL corresponding with the "send your message..." button with Carolyn's input included. Carolyn if you read this, delete that bookmark or 'favorite' and add instead this url: http://hwk.best.vwh.net/chat/tqchat.html. It's not really hurting anything though.
- dap-209-114-167-154.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:37:04 (GMT)
Patricia:
Hello, I am currently working with Sophia's wonderful friend to track down my Gottschee heritage but am currently waiting for documents from the state of Ohio and was wondering if Jim has a copy of the 1910 Ohio census and if so if you would possibly be open to looking up a few names for me. They are were in the cleveland Ohio area and all of one family. If possible please let me know here or at ntvimage@jps.net. I would be most appreciative if you could help me out of my current "stall" in my search Thanks PAtricia
- 216-119-52-172.o1.jps.net - Sunday, February 18, 2001 at 02:22:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope everyone had a good week. Eddie Stalzer, are you on line tonight??
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:07:48 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: A while back, I emailed and got email from someone named Urska Stimec from Austria. Could this be the same Urska who keeps sending the message?
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:10:55 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:12:25 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret ~
I don't know Urska - but if you scroll down to Helmuth's message, he explains the reason this message keeps coming back into the loop. It's one of those technological glitches I don't understand at all --

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:15:14 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
Good evening everyone! This is my first visit in the Plauderzimmer.
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:16:28 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Mary!
Aren't we all nice and early tonight! Wonder who else is lurking out there in cyberspace?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:16:41 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Well, let me hasten to explain! Sonja is my cousin's daughter, so let's be on our best behavior tonight! Welcome to the Plauderzimmer, Sonja!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:17:45 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
I won't be staying for very long, Ridi. Both boys are still up and after such a hectic day, I'm ready to hit the hay, too! It was nice seeing your sister as well as many cousins of yours today.
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:18:57 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Ridy, Mary and Margaret,
Haven't chatted with you for a while. Hope you are all fine. Winter returned with a vengenance here in Ohio this weekend. We keep looking for the spring flowers to pop up.

- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:19:03 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sonja: Another welcome to the plauderzimmer from me. I will explain again that I log on with my maiden name. My married name is MURPHY, not exactly Gottscheer sounding, is it? Oh, well. Glad you could log on.
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:20:08 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
Hello Krockers! You are Teri's parents, aren't you?
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:20:49 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Sonja,
We are Teri's parents and met you at the Treffen. We saw some pictures of your baby and he is very cute. Hope your whole family is doing well. Tell your parents we said "hi!"

- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:20:56 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hello We have winter one week and spring the next week!
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:21:14 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ed and Mary: We have friends who moved to CHesterland, Ohio, not very long ago. THis is their first winter experience and they are having a hard time getting used to it. Our snow comes and quickly melts. Not in Ohio.
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:21:36 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
Margaret: I am only one-half Gottscheerin. My maiden name is Kroisenbrunner - definitely not a Gottscheer sounding name, eh?
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:21:50 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi E & M - welcome back! If you're looking for spring flowers you should see my house! I think my daughter bought out a flower shop. I told them it looks like a happy funeral parlor. But with the sun shining outside, and the flowers inside, it makes me forget that it's freezing out there. We should all have gone south with Holly!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:22:24 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I thought I was about done with my Peschel book, and everytime I solve one riddle, it makes two more.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:22:26 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
Ed and Mary: thanks for your wishes. I will be seeing my mother tomorrow. She broke a bone in her foot and needs a little assistance around the house.
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:23:08 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary - I'm finding the same thing. Every time I think I can close one chapter, another memory pops up. . . do you think we'll ever get finished?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:25:31 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
Ridy: Did you have a good day for your birthday?
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:26:16 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Mary and Ridy: That's the neat thing about research. It opens up so many doors. ANd isn't it wonderful that we have those memories??
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:26:36 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ridy I don't know. I have to order another passenger list now. I found the ships my greatgrandparents came on, but now it looks like one daughter came later and I want to find who all came with her.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:27:07 (GMT)
Minnesota:
This is Minnesota checking in. Greetings to you all. Am wondering if any of you can help me on a project I am currently working on. I am looking for plants etc. that were used by the Gottscheers for medical treatment. Would appreciate the name of the plant, tree etc. and how they were used. Thank you one and all. Appreciate your help. Sophia
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:27:08 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Well, Sonja - that remark has landed you in the doghouse!
But yes - it was wonderful hearing from family and friends far and wide. I even heard from an old admirer whom I last saw 53 years ago! That was a hoot!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:27:52 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Sonya: Hope your mother's foot heals well. We'll tell Teri we chatted with you and she'll be thrilled. Her husband is having another bout with kidney stones. Not fun!
Ridy: Your house sounds "very springy" and cheerful. Last Saturday we went to the Home and Garden Show in Cleveland. The theme was "Discover Deutschland" and a complete German village had been constructed and landscaped with lots of blooming shrubs and flowers. There was also an Oktoberfest tent with lots of good German food, music and folk dancers. It was a lot of fun!

- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:28:43 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
Ridy: well, I have to go now. The boys are getting restless and I better make a quick exit!
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:29:14 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Trixie! I'm assuming that Minnesota means Sophia -- am I correct? Well, of course - I should have read to the end of the message.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:29:29 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
G'nite Sonja! See you next Sunday!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:30:42 (GMT)
Sonja in Kitchener, Canada:
I'm going to be signing off now. Have a good evening everyone and maybe I'll catch up to you another time! Auschasch Guate, ottr. Sonja over and out!
- spider-ta027.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:30:57 (GMT)
Minnesota:
Yes Ridy one and the same. Hope you had great weekend. I can picture the flowers and am smiling. Take care. Trix
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:31:31 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Minnesota: I emailed Marie Wolf and asked her if she knew of any herbal remedies they used in Gottschee. She is 90 years old, mentally sharp as a tack, and has a treasure trove of stories to tell. I'll let you know, if she gives me any information. My grandmother Jonke only used whiskey and hot tea for medicine. She lived to be 96.
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:32:27 (GMT)
Minnesota:
Thought you might be interested in this. CNN is looking for stories of individuals who lived and experiences life during WWII. For information log on to their Web Site. I am thinking wouldn't it be great if those stories could be shared in the Plauderzimmer? They could even be published. Would be interested reading I am sure. Sophia
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:35:43 (GMT)
Minnesota:
Thank you, Margaret. I bet she will lots to contribute. Am looking forward to hearing from you. Are you, by any chance, related to Pete Jonke? Sophia
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:38:25 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
where did everybody go???
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:43:56 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: I have a cousin, Pete Jonke, who lives in Pensacola, Florida. He is the cousin who worked up a FABULOUS Jonke family tree. How do you know him??
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:46:32 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sorry - wasn't quite finished in the kitchen. I've had a productive,but tiring day.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:48:35 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guess I will log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles gute.
- A020-1043.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:49:54 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
'bye Margaret
I think my computer is tired - it's kicked me off twice now. Anybody else having problems, or is it just me?

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:51:59 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Must be just you Ridy!
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:52:49 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Goodnight everyone! Nice to chat with all of you again.
- mod7.new-philly.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:53:35 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Have a good week, Ed and Mary - and keep warm!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:55:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, anyone who is left.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:55:25 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Ciao Jim! And how are things down your way?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:56:16 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim Ridy and I are about it I think
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:56:21 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret: I do not know Pete personally but I am the lady who helped him organize his visit to Gottschee last year. He is a wonderful photographer and I understand they had a marvelous time. Makes me very happy indeed.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:56:25 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Was out today and just finished answering some emails. A Spreitzer from Ontario, a Sterbenz, a Pece, and a Matzelle descendant. Good for two of the four but the Pece may be a difficult one. Don't know enough about Matzelle.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:57:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Cold but otherwise doing well. Tomorrow is President's Day. Sort of a holiday and sort of not. Likely to be busy.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:58:41 (GMT)
Sophia:
Good evening Dr. Jim. Keep up the great work. The Practice is calling. Wish you all a wonderful week.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:59:07 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I wonder is Pece is the Slovenian spelling for Petsche?
So many Gottscheer names can be confusing because of the two different spellings. . . .

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:59:14 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, I think I have emailed Pete and one of his kin in the past without response. Can you drop him a line as an "email" introduction? I would appreciate it. Thanks.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 02:59:55 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Yes Ridy it is what I found in the records for Bistriz
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:00:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Goodnight, Trix, Sophie, the Minnesota, Woman of Many Names !!
Ridy, definitely Petsche in Slovenian. Her ancestor married a woman named Rotensteiner so I think something may match up with Gottschee.

- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:01:43 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Pece is Slovenian and Petsche is German
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:02:24 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
There was a good deal of back and forth for the Petsche name depending on parish and the ethnicity of the priest writing the name.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:06:49 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I was doing a lot of 'searching' today and it never ceases to amaze me where you find Gottscheer names. I never knew before that the second Chancellor or Germany, Graf von Caprivi, or more correctly, Georg Leo Graf von Caprivi de Caprara de Montecuculi, traced his ancestry back to Nesseltal! Now does that sound like a Gottscheer name?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:07:37 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
On a less exotic note, several of the graduates from the Staats-Gymnasium in Villach in the year 1900/1901 had Gottscheer names: Josef Ramor; Josef Tschinkel; Friedrich Wolsegger; Alois Perz, and Peter Jonke
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:10:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
We Gottscheers have travelled all over the place.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:12:28 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hope they're having good weather in Bonneaire (or however you spell that!)
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:15:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, I hope the weather is good there as well.

I rechecked my file for the Vienna Hoglers and have not come up with much. Nothing from Neuloschin or Stalzern.

- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:19:16 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Some Ostermann information from Rieg in the resettlement records but nothing that looks like that Hogler family. I wonder when they moved from Gottschee. Perhaps it was before World War II.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:20:48 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I wonder if anyone is specifically working in that area?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:21:32 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Oh - I think it was before WWI, or before 1920 in any case
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:22:25 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Also, I am a little confused about the information in the email. It begins by saying that the father died very early and then she says he was born in 1893 and died in 1972. That would have made him 81 at the time of passing. Not ancient by any stretch but would not classify it as very early either. Am I reading it wrong?
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:22:32 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim if you ever come across a Maria Peschel from Oberdeutschau #5 she is from my family. She was supposed to have come to the USA about 1900 and I have no idea where.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:22:51 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Not too many postings on the GHGA or Kump boards about the Rieg parish.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:23:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Gruess Euch Gott, Alle miteinander.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:23:23 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yes, that part was confusing, until I realized he married very late in life, and died when she was just a young girl.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:23:35 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Gute Nacht, Herr Mausser. Wie gehts?
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:24:10 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Servus, Franz!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:24:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ich verstehe jetzt.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:25:22 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, Du meinst wohl Guten Abend, mir geht es gut, danke und wie geht es Dir?
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:25:37 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary - I think I'll treat myself to a little Glühwein. . .do you think a St. Emilion would do for that?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:28:19 (GMT)
Franz:
Just returned from my culture weekend. A society by the name of "American Friends of Austria" held a Faschingsball in Chicago where I waltzed into the morning hours, attended mass at the Cathederal followed by an Opera, The Barber of Seville. All in one shot. And that is the reason for beeing late.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:29:29 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ridy that sounds good to me!
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:30:23 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Know I want to know exactly what Fasching means
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:30:53 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Wow! Now that sounds like my kind of weekend! Chicago seems to know how to do it right! Love your Lyric Opera
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:31:58 (GMT)
:
Franz, das ist bestimmt. Ich bin sehr gut. Danke.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:32:29 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, please explain Fashing to Mary.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:32:42 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Fasching is Karneval/Carnival, as in Rio, but not that wild, of course. I'll send you what I've written about it.
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:34:28 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ok are they held a certain time of year, or anytime.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:35:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, Entschuldingung meine Fehler, bitte. Ich versuche mein bestes.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:35:29 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, don't worry you are doing just fine.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:36:18 (GMT)
Franz:
Mary, somewhere between New Year and lent.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:37:41 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
ok thanks
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:38:24 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Es ist viele Jahre gewesen, da ich irgendwie Deutsches geschrieben haben. Messwert ist einfacher als Schrieben.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:38:37 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, keep up the good work.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:39:17 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Tone (mit umlaut) Fasching wie eine gute Zeit.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:40:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Ya, merrymaking.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:41:09 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Oh heck, English is so much easier. I learned it right after learning Brooklynese.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:41:12 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
And I can understand English lolol
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:42:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Now you see, how we did once we came here.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:42:12 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Jim - is it true that you can take the boy out of Brooklyn but you can't take Brooklyn outta de boy?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:42:53 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, had a little Pinot Noir from New York, a little Sauvignon Blance from Washington and a Tawny wine from Australia today. The Pinot Noir could have aged a wee bit more, the Sauvignon Blanc was good and the tawny was very good. A little between a port and a sherry. No cigars though. And just a little of each wine lest someone think I might be oenophile of the worst type.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:44:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, could be so. I have been told that I do not have much of a discernible accent but could be identified as someone from the east coast. No Brooklyn accent to speak of. Will work on it.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:45:45 (GMT)
Franz:
What a wine taster.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:45:56 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hope there was a lot of antipasta to go with all that, Jim! Was Amanda driving?
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:46:06 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
I have been in Colorado for 33 years and still sound like I am from the midwest.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:46:32 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I thought Colorado IS in the midwest! Oh dear, where's my Atlas when I need it?!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:47:29 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Thanks Ridy I just got your email.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:48:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, Mary, Jim Good Night and a pleasant week. Hope to be with you next Sunday.
- 1Cust43.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:48:31 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Colorado is considered the west, minnesota is midwest as I have been told
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:48:54 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
goodnight Franz
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:49:11 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
That reminds me -- when I was in Ann Arbor, the chap who was the President of the Student Law Society came up to my office to see who went with that 'exotic' name of Ridy Skyrme, and when he heard me speak he said: oh heck, you're a limey! What an insult -- A Canadian does not a limey make!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:49:38 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gütei Nocht, Fronz
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:50:54 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Ridy I cannot imagine you sounding like a limey, not with your beautiful name.
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:51:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, good night. Ridy, no pasta. Started out with cheese and dip followed by a pepperoni bread prepared with home made dough. Pepperoni and provolone cheese wrapped inside followed by turkey and all the fixings that usually go with it. Sweet potatoes, corn, mashed potatoes, stuffing, and gravy. Ended with Italian cookies and cake.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:51:41 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Thanks Mary! Flattery will get you everywhere!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:51:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Limey, ouch. Could be upsetting. Eh!!!
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:52:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Mary, you are right. Hoegler is a musical name.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:53:04 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
No doubt you did justice to it all, Jim! A glass of water with a toothpick for you tomorrow, and that's it!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:53:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Well my fellow Gottscheers. Time to turn in. Must get some strength for what appears to be a tough day on the horizon. Into the breach!! (How is that for melodramatic?)
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:54:20 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Jim that sounded like a lot of good food. and wine
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:54:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Yes, I will take it easy on the intake tomorrow and burn a couple more reps when I work out.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:55:19 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
very poetic...ok good night jim
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:55:29 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
well good night ridy
- spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:56:07 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
After all that good food and drink, that's about as melodramatic as one could expect you to be.
Good night from me too -- time to get some beauty sleep.
See you all next Sunday evening!

- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 03:56:12 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
I still remember all the reveling that went on for 3 days before Ash Wednesdey. Each town had a different theme.They burned a puppet on the Bridge going toward the Cemetary.Mom used to make Krapfen. Afrer Ash Wednesday strict fasting.
Today we will make Soulze, have not made it in awhile. Have a good week

- spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 13:06:55 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Fred - You are making my mouth water by mentioning Krapfen! I've never learned how to make those properly. Tried a couple of times, but they were so hard you could use them for hockey pucks! Come to think of it, it's been years since I've had one. Donuts just don't come close!
- 24.66.13.5.on.wave.home.com - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 21:35:41 (GMT)
Franz:
Oh you canadians,all you have on your minds is hockey.
- AC870DBD.ipt.aol.com - Friday, February 23, 2001 at 19:45:13 (GMT)
Ridy:
Watch what you say here, Franz, OK?! I have the distinction of being the only Canadian, probably in the history of Mankind, who was bundled into a taxi and sent home in disgrace during intermission, for falling asleep during a play-off hockey game!
- 24.66.13.5 - Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 21:40:47 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Franz. Did you forget about my photo? Remember, you were going to send me one. I would truly appreciate it. Danke Franz.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 23:46:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Forgive me Sophia, I guess I am a procrastinator.Ridy, at least they were kind enough to provide a taxi, they could have send you home on Schusters Rappen.
- 1Cust120.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 12:53:57 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Franz. Now that I have gently reminded you how about it? I would truly appreciate it. Really I would. Just try me.
Thank you.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 00:53:48 (GMT)
Lynn :
Anyone still here?
- ilsmpn94.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 01:30:20 (GMT)
Lynn Callaly:
Hello Gottcheers: I will be back at the right time to chat with you tonight if all goes well. I have not been very well and was in hospital, but now looking forward to returning to my routine. Hope to meet some of you tonight, Lynn (Thellian, Samide, Goestel, Stonitsch & many other Gottscheer ancestors)
- ilsmpn94.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 01:33:15 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Lynn! Welcome back! Sorry to hear you haven't been well, and very glad to hear that you'll be able to join the gang tonight.
We've been having truly bizarre weather here in Toronto over the past 24 hours -- freezing cold, snow, freezing rain, just plain rain, very warm temperatures - in the high 50s this afternoon - and now we're heading back into the freezing range. You could get whiplash trying to keep up with it! Oh yes - and high winds as well. How is it up your way?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 01:49:58 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten abend. Hope you are all warm and well. Not too bad weatherwise here in KCMO
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:00:53 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret ~
How is your friend, Marie Wolf?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:01:41 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Marie is doing well, when you consider she is 90 and has had a series of chemo and radiation treatments. I swear, the Gottshceers are TOUGH.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:05:26 (GMT)
Ridy:
I think that's their middle name - Tough! - but I wish it were true for all of them. It must be wonderful to reach 90 and still have a clear mind, as she obviously has.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:06:44 (GMT)
:
Tough like a hockey puck.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:07:58 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Were you the person who asked me last week if I was related to Pete Yonke? Had email from him today, regarding a Jonke treffen in KC or at the Lake this summer.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:08:29 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good evening!! Hello, Margaret and Ridy.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:11:01 (GMT)
Ridy:
Nope - wasn't me, Margaret. It was probably Trixie. . .

Hi Franz - is that you?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:11:09 (GMT)
Ridy:
Guten Abend, James
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:11:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Glad you are on. Wie gehts? Probably not spelled correctly. ANyway, glad you're on.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:13:30 (GMT)
Franz:
Guten Abend, Ridy, Margaret and Jim. How are we all?
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:14:35 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz - are you using the royal 'we' or the plural?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:15:31 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Mir geht es gut. I'm practicing.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:15:41 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, suit yourself.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:16:04 (GMT)
Ridy:
Doing fine, Margaret - keep it up!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:16:41 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy and Franz: What is the royal or plural we???
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:16:49 (GMT)
Sonja:
Good evening everyone. Just popped by to say hello.
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:17:36 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, keep up the good work, you are doing fine. Sooner or later we will have you and Jim chat German and Gottscheerisch. Right Ridy?
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:18:00 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ich bin ausgezeichnet. Wie geht es dir?
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:18:38 (GMT)
Sonja:
Just wondering... is it usually North Americans who chat in this Plauderzimmer? Does anyone from Europe (or anywhere else for that matter) ever chat?
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:18:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, your turn to explain.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:18:55 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, rusty German is as good as it gets. Gottscheerisch would be too much of a stretch.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:19:20 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sonja, the time zone difference usually is at a bad time for the auslanders.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:19:52 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Or are we the Auslanders? Depends on the point of view.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:20:22 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, think positive, think positive.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:20:25 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Sonja ~
Because of the time difference, it's hard for Europeans to actually chat live, but they do leave messages off and on. Also from Australia! But it's after 3:00 a.m. in Europe right now. . . .

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:21:00 (GMT)
Sonja:
Hello, Jim! We corresponded a few times back in 1998, I think it was. I believe you originally saw my name in the guest book on this site. How have you been?
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:21:16 (GMT)
Franz:
I invited some Europeans to join us. I guess they don't want to get up at 3PM.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:22:12 (GMT)
Franz:
Gosh, I blew it again, I meant 3AM. What would we do without Ridy?
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:23:39 (GMT)
Sonja:
It would be nice to get Erika in the Zimmer sometime, wouldn't it, Ridi?
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:24:45 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franze, aufpas - et schei frech!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:24:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sonja, that is correct. I think I sent you a family tree to look through at some point. You are related to cousin Ridy.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:25:20 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ja, Fronz, et schei frech!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:26:14 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Sonja, I have been fine. How about you and yours? Are you enjoying the Canadian weather along with Ridy?
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:26:16 (GMT)
Ridy:
I can't even get her to answer e-mails on a regular basis - getting her into the chat room while she's dreaming may be a bit of a stretch. It would be nice if she could yodel for us!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:26:29 (GMT)
Sonja:
Yes, actually Ridi and my mother are first cousins. I just wish that everyone could be so involved with their roots and family tree. I am amazed when I meet someone who can't tell me what their grandmother's maiden name was....
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:27:04 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I guess it is time to duck and head for the hills. We have three people speaking in tongues. More than at a revivalist convention.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:27:05 (GMT)
Ridy:
Welcome Trixie! I thought you were still out there shovelling!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:27:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Ja Sophia, bischt due nue a noech muenter, Ich hon gedenket Due giascht ju mi n hianern schlufn.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:27:57 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Margaret Jonke. It was I that asked about the plants in Gottschee that were used for medical purposes. Did you learn a lot from Mrs. Wolf? Would be just great. Thanks so much. Speaking about Pete - I, too, received a nice long e-mail from him today. He is a busy man who enjoys life.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:27:58 (GMT)
Sonja:
Jim, today we had a taste of spring. It's been very windy today, but this morning the sun was out and again briefly this afternoon. Last night was freezing rain. The family has grown again (another addition to that Mausser family tree...) as my husband and I had our second son this past September.
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:28:40 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: I sure wish my cousin, Pete Jonke, would join us. He is an absolute wonder at this family tree stuff. He traced us Jonkes back 300 yrs on the same farm in Gottschee.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:28:49 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz - you forgot the 'd' in 'hiandern' -- don't forget, you have to set a good example here. No dialect, please!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:29:02 (GMT)
Sophia:
Well, Ridy, it's been a tough day. We are shoveling out from 22 inches of new snow not to mention the huge drifts. We are drifted shut from the garage to the house. Hopefully tomorrow the sun will shine, the wind will die and we will take care of the problem. No, Franz, I do not go to bed with the chickens. I greet you all.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:30:31 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: I talked to Marie and my cousin, Ilse Stalzer, in Florida. They had some home remedies that made me laugh so hard I gasped for breath. Seems like a few were Americna pioneer remedies, too.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:30:45 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, here we go again: what would we do without you?
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:31:00 (GMT)
Ridy:
I have to confess - I'm not very good doing family trees - I just sit back and let cousin Jim and a few of the other distant relatives fill in the blanks for me. It's called using selective ignorance.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:31:29 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I am glad this time you kept the white stuff up North.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:32:29 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz - you're beginning to sound like Ronald Reagan! "there you go again. . . ."
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:32:39 (GMT)
Christine:
Hi Dad! I can't tell what you're saying in that dialect!
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:32:41 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret: Lets hear the home remedies that made you laugh so hard.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:33:26 (GMT)
Franz:
Hello gang, meet my wonderful daughter Christine.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:33:46 (GMT)
Ridy:
Welcome Christine Mausser, I presume!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:33:53 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: Tell me your email address and I'll send the "cures" to you. Some are so odd I wouldn't put them on line in the plauderzimmer.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:34:18 (GMT)
Franz:
I am sorry Christine for not teaching it.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:34:28 (GMT)
Ridy:
Yes, Margaret, I'm all ears. But don't forget, we have two 'young ones' in the chat room!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:34:55 (GMT)
Sonja:
We have a standing joke in our family that whatever is ailing you, Kamillentee will cure it!!
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:35:47 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret: my e-mail is: wyants@mlecmn.net. DANKE SCHÖN.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:35:58 (GMT)
Sonja:
As a matter of fact, if you lose an appendage, you can drink Kamillentee and it will "grow back again!"
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:36:17 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, did you get your mom's e-mail?
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:36:22 (GMT)
Sonja:
Christine, where do you live?
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:36:46 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz -- now that Trixie (or Sophia, as she likes to be called) and I have passed over that Great Divide from adulthood into seniorhood, tell us when you will be joining us in the Golden Years. We already know it's this year.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:36:55 (GMT)
Christine:
I read an article in the paper today about how English is invading the German language. There's a real debate about it in Germany.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:37:36 (GMT)
Franz:
By the way I have a cough and had some hot Kamillentee today.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:37:38 (GMT)
Ridy:
Margaret -- my e-mail address is ridy@home.com
please put me on the mailing list!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:38:15 (GMT)
Sonja:
Franz - I'm sure you're feeling much better, right? Now be honest...
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:38:23 (GMT)
Franz:
Absolutely.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:39:35 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, no I haven't yet. Did you get mine?
Sonja, I live in New Mexico.

- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:39:39 (GMT)
Ridy:
Christine - that is absolutely true - and it's also true in France. I've always found it interesting that German-speaking people use foreign words were freely - but I never hear English speakers use many foreign phrases.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:40:07 (GMT)
Sonja:
Christine, having visited my husband's family in Germany recently, it's amazing how they have embraced terms from the English language in German - "relaxen", "Manager", "Boss", "Handy", and the list goes on and on.
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:40:21 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I think the English that is getting into the German language is mostly technical jargon and maybe a McDonaldland burger term or two. I guess that is bad enough.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:41:06 (GMT)
Sonja:
Christine, I live in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. It's one hour west of Toronto. Have you ever visited here?
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:41:16 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, mom sent it about an hour ago. Maybe I will try to re-send it. Yes we did get yours.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:41:35 (GMT)
Ridy:
The term that cracked me up was when a cousin told me she was 'ganz stressed out'
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:42:49 (GMT)
Sonja:
Well, it's time for my good-byes! I'm signing off now. Good night, everyone!
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:42:55 (GMT)
Ridy:

gütei Nocht, Sonja

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:43:48 (GMT)
Sonja:
Ridy - keep those jokes coming!
- spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:44:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Goodnight, Sonja.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:45:17 (GMT)
Franz:
No Jim it is much worse than that. My wifes cousin called from Germany asking for our E-mail address, they want to chat with us. I am not kidding, every third word is english.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:45:26 (GMT)
Ridy:
Bet it's warmer in New Mexico than it is in the Windy City!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:45:28 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. AUf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles gut.
- A010-0879.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:47:40 (GMT)
:
Hello Sonja this is Patricia, Helen is still helping me with my search although I am beginning to think my family was "beamed" here! Ha. It is nice following along on this site for those of us who are new to our heritage, all the information is a treasure. Especially when the heritage was not passed along from our grandparents.
- 216-119-17-42.o1.jps.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:48:02 (GMT)
Ridy:
Gottscheers tended to use more French words than English - but it is very 'in' to use a lot of English among the Germans. Probably comes for movies and TV. But don't forget, English is a compulsory language in schools over there.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:48:08 (GMT)
Christine:
It was in the low 40's today, with a chilly wind. I believe it's been just a bit colder than that in Chicago.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:49:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, I am so glad you were able to join us and I am sorry I missed you last sunday. Do you know Konrad is Skiing in Lake Luise this week? then they will go to Benf.
- 1Cust10.tnt8.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:49:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, I am not sure that is good or bad. The fact that it is English becoming more common makes it easier to communicate but it also indicates that American education is foreign language poor. It is there but does not get used very often. I am a case in point. Good training but not used.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:53:17 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, I didn't know he was going already. Now I know why he hasn't emailed me back.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:54:51 (GMT)
Ridy:
Is everybody getting ready to feast in the next two days and then fast until Easter?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:54:54 (GMT)
Franz:
Yes, but not hockey pucks.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:56:24 (GMT)
Ridy:
This was the big Fasching weekend in Gottschee, and it lasts until Ash Wednesday.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:56:32 (GMT)
Ridy:
No hockey pucks, Franz -- but I sure would like a few nice Krapfen!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:57:11 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, they are not using it as a language, they just mingle words and it sounds so silly. I guess it is the One World Order.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 02:58:40 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, when did you e-mail Konrad?
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:00:05 (GMT)
Franz:
I will have some Krapfen on Faschings Dienstag.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:01:12 (GMT)
Ridy:
Real, genuine Krapfen, or donuts?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:02:10 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, I think it was Thursday. I sent it to his work address, so I never know if he's in the office everyday.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:02:24 (GMT)
Ridy:
The golf on TV must be over because I am being summoned to make some tea. . .
Good night, everyone, it's been fun as usual. See you next week.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:03:34 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, is mom making them?
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:04:24 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz, I truly appreciate you taking responsibility for not teaching your daughter the Gottscheer dialect. I am guilty of it as well. Wish would have done it but circumstances and life just got in the way. BUT, it still is not to late. We are not the only ones that failed in this field. There are thousands of others and that is one of the prices you pay when we scatter all over the world. For those of you, in the Plauderzimmer, who may not know this, the Altsiedler Gottscheer Verein in Krapflern by Tschermoschnitz is teaching their children both the Gottscheer and German language and they are loving it. Like I said, it is not to late. Have often thought how wonderful it would be for the Gottscheer organizations in North America to do the same. Something to think about.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:04:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
What are Krapfen??? I know you have bandied it about now and then but I haven't quite gotten a fix on it yet. They sound delicious from the hungry noises you are making.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:04:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, he probably didn,t see it, he was very busy before he left on Friday morning. His school project in Cary keeps him all wrapped up.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:05:07 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good night, Ridy.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:06:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, they look like a donut. They taste out of this world, with lots of calories.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:07:38 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, yes. I guess once a year shouldn't be so bad.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:09:18 (GMT)
Franz:
Guetei Nocht Ridy.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:11:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia who do you think would take it upon himself? I can't think of anyone.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:12:11 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz, is your wife making the Krapfen? Wow, I can taste them too. I need to try them one of these years. Have not eaten them since my mother died.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:12:47 (GMT)
Lynn:
Jim: Are you still here?

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:13:05 (GMT)
Franz:
Yes, Sophia. I am looking forward to that feast.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:13:57 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz, are you talking about the classes in Gottscheerisch and German? Every organization from New York to Cleveland to Milwaukee to Toronto to Kitchener have people that are incredibly intelligent and capable. Something just brainstorming about something like this is the beginning. It just would be so neat to do it.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:14:25 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, eat a dozen for me!
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:14:35 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Lynn, I am bouncing in and out.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:15:16 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Your wife wouldn't want to sell me a dozen and ship them UPS would she? I am serious!!!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:15:17 (GMT)
Sophia:
Lynn: Greetings from Minnesota. Good to have you aboard. Have not hear from you for a long time but always enjoy it. Hope you are feeling as good as new. Stay that way and stay in touch. Smile. Sophia Stalzer-Wyant of the GHGA.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:16:13 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, Gottscheerisch. I am sure there lots of Gottscheers with intellect, but who would do it.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:16:42 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, are you still with us?
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:17:48 (GMT)
Lynn:
My Mom makes delicious dumplings rolled up like jellyrolls and stuffed with fresh parsley and pork -- what do you call them in Gottscheer?

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:18:01 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, sorry-Mike inturrupted me
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:18:39 (GMT)
Sophia:
You have to talk about it first and then identify people that have that kind of talent and love of teaching. A good start would be to bring it up to a meeting. Most of the clubs meet monthly and have regular agendas. There are quite a few Gottscheers in the Chicago area too. I am wondering if Mr. Rom might have an interest in discussing it. Do you know Adolf Rom?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:18:49 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, when I arrived in Chicago there was a Gottscheer Club, but they soon disbanded. I know of Adolf Rom, but never met him.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:21:37 (GMT)
Christine:
One of these years I should try making krapfen, but with my talent, lasagna is a big job.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:21:46 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine you did ausgezeichnet wenn you and mom made Christmas Cookies.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:22:52 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, write that in Gottscheer-ish now
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:24:00 (GMT)
Sophia:
Christine. Greetings to you from Minnesota. There are many wonderful recipes for Krapfen. The latest being a web site from Slovenia called CULINARY SLOVENIA. Their recipes are very similar to the Gottscheers and I particularly liked the one on Krapfen. If we get shoveled out tomorrow and I make it to the story I may just try to tackle them. We can do it!!!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:24:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, do you have a list of the people who were in the club. Maybe there is a core that is still interested. I know the clubs are disbanding because of costs and lack of interest. Maybe the GHGA should look into how it could be revitalized on a smaller scale. The internet should be of help. Sonia, when is the June meeting? I was hoping to hold until the 2002 meeting which is my neck of the woods but I think I might try to get there if scheduling allows.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:26:20 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, do you remember your Blocher oma and Uri Oma made kiegelchen, they were like Krapfen.
- 1Cust196.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:26:31 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Here comes another compliment to you. I have never, ever tried to write Gottschearisch. Never thought I could until I started reading and sounding out your messages on the Plauderzimmer. So, THANK YOU for forcing me to figure out what you were writing and then learning that I actually understood it all and started writing back. Between you and Ridy, hey, it can only get better. Now, write the message for your daughter in Gottscheearisch. See, she interested and wants to learn. Good for you Christine.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:26:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, have they figured out how to get the English version of the Slovenian site working. It looked interesting but my Slovenian is sehr schlecht.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:28:07 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, the only one I remeber was Adolf Luscher, he was runnig the club for a while, but I am not shure if he is still wih us.
- 1Cust245.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:29:17 (GMT)
Lynn:
Hello Jim & sophia: How are you doing?





- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:30:51 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Dr. Jim: Welcome aboard. I so much appreciate your good logical thinking about so many things. We, in the GHGA have often talked about the need to involve the younger generation. It is up to us, our age group, to make that happen in each of our communities. You see the major organizations have their dance groups, choirs etc. so they already have the base in place. What they need to do is expand it and include the language. It could really work and work very well. We are, I understand, the oldest dialect in the world and for that reason alone it needs to be preserved. There is some discussion about going after some funding to actually produce both a book and spoken words in the Gottscheer language. Anybody out there have any idea where we could apply for such a grant?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:31:50 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, due hoscht augzeichnat getuen, ben due uend mama beinochtskekse gebochet hot.
- 1Cust245.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:33:47 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Adolf Luscher is a dear friend of mine. He and Anna live in Gulfport, Fla. Even though his health has been a concern he is still doing quite well, I think. He and Adolf Rom, I believe are 1st cousins. Adolf was a good friend of my father and his siblings and I met him for the first time about 5 years ago while attending a conference with my daughter in Tampa. We took a cab for the afternoon to Gulfport.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:34:16 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Du hoscht guat geschriebn. Dunk Dir schean.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:35:59 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Du hoscht guat geschriebn. Dunk Dir schean.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:36:01 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi - I'm back.
Lynn - your mother makes Knellein. . .

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:36:13 (GMT)
Lynn:
Jim: Have you had any breakthroughs on the genealogy lately? No one is answering me and I wonder if you can see my messages. Please reply

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:36:49 (GMT)
Sophia:
Lynn, I am doing fine but I want to know how it is going with you. Please tell me you are making good progress.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:36:50 (GMT)
Lynn:
Ridy: Do you pronounce that Nelline?

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:37:26 (GMT)
Ridy:
Let's see -- I'd try knay-llein
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:38:18 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy: Thanks. I drew a total blank but you are right, they are Knellein. I loved them too. Hell, I think I love all the great Gottscheer food. Lets face it, they were and are excellent cooks. What a proud heritage we have. YIPPEE.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:38:50 (GMT)
Lynn:
Sophia: I was in hospital and now use nitroglycirin 12 hrs of every 24. I hope this will decrease after a few weeks.
- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:39:10 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, as you probaly know both Rom and Luscher were Jewelers, Adolf Luscher provided our weddingbands. Do you know a Steffi Hutter? she is from Tschermoschnitz.
- 1Cust245.tnt63.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:39:49 (GMT)
Ridy:
Trix - if you check, you'll find that a majority of the members of the dance groups are not Gottscheers at all - they simply are kids who like to dance and like the environment. I know that is the case in Kitchener, and it has always been that way. I don't see Gottscheerisch being of any value, except academic.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:40:17 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, as you probaly know both Rom and Luscher were Jewelers, Adolf Luscher provided our weddingbands. Do you know a Steffi Hutter? she is from Tschermoschnitz.
- 1Cust50.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:40:34 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, that was tough. I can't even understand you when you talk to your relatives.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:40:35 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy: As a gentle amendment: maybe kneline! I am thinking she is an English speaking person and line would be pretty close don't you think? Hey, don't leave Ridy. You never know what topic we are going to tackle next. I guess all the shoveling got me pumped and ready to go.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:40:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Lynn, I am here off and on. Been helping some others locate their ancestors. A Matzelle here and there, a Juran, an Erker. Been having fun with it.

Trix, perhaps St. John's University would be interested in it. I know they had a splash in the newspapers about having an area set aside for Gottscheers in the library or museum.

- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:41:29 (GMT)
Ridy:
Calm down, Trixie -- I've known some lousy Gottscheer cooks! Face it, we just like to eat!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:41:34 (GMT)
Lynn:
Sophia: You are correct about the excellence of Gottscheer cooks. My grandmother had 11 children in the Depression and made beautiful meals three times a day with very few resources. What she couldn't do with flour, a little meat and a few vegetables! My Mom being the youngest girl helped her bake bread every week. They made a huge tub of yeast mixture and then made an assortment of bread, rolls, etc.


- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:41:42 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: I do not believe that I know Steffi Hutter from Tschermoschnitz but I would certainly like to know her. Any chance you could send me her address and/or phone number? Would truly appreciate it.

Ridy: Thanks for your comments on the dance groups. Always something to learn.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:43:23 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, can you contact Adolf Luscher or Rom and see if they have a list? Since many have moved down to Florida, it would be interesting to see how many are still left in the Chicago area and how many children have stayed in the general area.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:43:33 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I will try. She used to live in Chicago, Her sister Olga was married to my mothers brother.
- 1Cust50.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:46:07 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim. The GHGA worked about 3 years on establishing a Gottscheer Library. The New York Gottscheer organization then came through with St. John's University which now is the depository of all Gottscheer materials that individuals or groups donate. I think you make a valid suggestion. Perhaps they would have funding for the preservation of the language tapes/book. Due to the fact that I work with Mr. William Schauer from time to time I shall gladly contact him. On the other hand Dr. Jim, would be interested in doing it? Nothing ventured, nothing gained, I say.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:46:48 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Now, now, Ridy. Have some calming green tea. My mom had to make prodigious amounts of food for the six of us. I am slightly over six foot tall and am the smallest of three boys. Amazingly, she was as good at lasagna as she was with goulash. Unfortunately, her mother did not pass on any Gottscheer recipes. There was the occasional strudel. Was bread pudding a Gottscheer dish? I never knew what she was putting in that but one serving would stick to your ribs. Not a light dish.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:46:55 (GMT)
Lynn:
I am so sorry if anyone tried to send me email in the past two weeks. My mailbox had too much mail and things were bounced back to people. I am only back in operation the last two days. I'm so glad to be here again.

Ridy: I tried to make those Knellein with my Mom and mine turned out just terrible. There is a real knack to this Gottscheer cooking. I'm doing OK on the stew type recipes but all the dough recipes kind of elude me!

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:48:00 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, your mother just brought me a slice of cheesecake and some Kamillentee. Mmmm.
- 1Cust50.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:48:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix,
would certainly be interested in helping. William is a distant cousin (almost everyone is) and I have been in contact with him once or twice. We should get his input first before heading in that direction. Does William speak Gottscheerisch?

- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:49:01 (GMT)
Ridy:
Lynn - I know what you mean. There is a cream-of-wheat dumpling which my mother used to make, and my kids loved, which I simply cannot get right. My sister, on the other hand, who just barely mastered boiling water, makes them perfectly! Yet I'm supposedly the master cook in the family! Go figure.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:51:11 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim. I do not know if Mr. Schauer speaks Gottscheerisch or not but I think a call to him, from you (had forgotten that you are related and knew that too) just to see what his thoughts are. If not St. John's he might have some ideas on other sources. Could I please ask you to follow through on this and share? I would appreciate it very much.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:54:07 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Lynn,
been working on some Tschernembl data that George Plautz has sent me. Most of it does not tie in with my other parishes but I am putting as much in as makes sense. I do have a question that relates to your family tree----
Margaretha Goestl (estimated birth 1859) of Preriegel#11 marries a Johann Tscherne (abt 1859) of Stockendorf#4 in Joliet on 10.25.1892.

In the Tschernembl records, there is also a Margaretha Goestl near that same time also from Preriegel#11 who marries a Franz Matzelle.

The question is---- could this be the same Margaretha Goestl with Johann Tscherne the second marriage? This only works if Margaretha is born a five of so years before 1859 (but 1859 is only an estimate anyhow).

- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:54:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, I pulled up his number and have it on my computer. He is actually one of my closer cousins with five or six different relationships in there.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:57:58 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy - are talking about Griesnockerln? I agree, they are delicious. I make them quite often and like to keep them in the freezer. I also make huge kettles of Rindsuppe (beef broth) and freeze that too. So, when I need a quick meal its handy. I have no problem with the Nockerln. I usually start out with soft margerine and beat it lightly; add 2 or 3 eggs; beat them into the margerine; add salt and then slowly add the Gries (farina) until it feels kind of stiff, but not to stiff. I then put it in the refrigerator for a good 30 minutes. Bring slightly salted water to boil and I juse a teaspoon to make nice, rounded, smooth Nockerl and drop them into the boiling water. Continue until all are boiling, reduce heat, cover tight for about 25 minutes. Taste to be they are done. I then drain them on paper towels and let them cool before freezing. I am thinking I probably use 1 or 1½ stick of margerine. YOU CAN DO IT. I know you can!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:58:56 (GMT)
Franz:
God Night good friends, Good Night Christine, it's time to rest my bones. hope to be with you next sunday.
- 1Cust50.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 03:59:58 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
All this talk about food on Sunday night. Pure torture. Lets talk some geopolitics, eh! How about Robert Smith retiring? Hope he reconsiders.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:01:17 (GMT)
Lynn :
Anyone still here?
- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:01:22 (GMT)
Lynn :
Wow I got kicked off the server but am back now!

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:01:41 (GMT)
Christine:
Gute Nacht.
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP141.dialsprint.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:01:52 (GMT)
Lynn :
Jim: Margaretha Goestl was the sister of my great grandfather, and Johann was definitely her second husband. I found that marriage through St. John's catholic church in Joliet -- it was the Gottscheer church in the area. Lynn

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:02:57 (GMT)
Ridy:
Never used margarine. Maybe that's the problem. But mother only used butter as well. My sister has promised to teach my daughter - so I may just skip that one. I prefer Knellein.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:03:11 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Lynn, posted a genealogy question earlier for you. See what you think. Hope you are feeling better.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:03:11 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim: Who is Robert Smith?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:03:44 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Does the name Matzelle ring a bell as the name of the first husband?
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:04:32 (GMT)
Ridy:
Gute Nacht, Christine and Franz. . .hope you join us again,Christine!

OK Jim - I'll bite. Who is Robert Smith?
Lynn - I got kicked off twice this evening - seems to happen to me all the time.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:05:01 (GMT)
Lynn :
I never knew the name of her first husband which is why I couldn't find those cousins. My Mom only remembered some of their kids' first names. Do you have more details on the marriage?


- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:06:29 (GMT)
Lynn :
Jim: Did you learn anything else about my Goestels from that address?
- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:07:32 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy: Remember a question I asked earlier about Dr. Kneipp. I have a book that was put together by the Slovenian Genealogy Society of Willard, Wisconsin, a large Slovenian settlement area. In there, under the heading Pioneer Medicine they state that every Slovenian home had a copy of Dr. Kneipp's book and it was like their health bible. If the Slovenians had that book why not their neighbors, the Gottscheers? So, Dr. Kneipp must have written a book on the use of plants, trees etc. for healing many various illnesses.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:07:42 (GMT)
Ridy:
I'm not aware of Dr. Kneipp having written in anything but German. Maybe Latin? But then, I wouldn't have read it myself if my father hadn't encouraged me to read it.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:11:50 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Robert Smith was the starting half back for the Vikings. He led the NFC in rushing and decided to call it quits after the season.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:13:07 (GMT)
Lynn :
Jim; Here is what I have on Margaretha with your info added pending confirmation. She was older than my great-grandfather who we know was born in 1859, so she was probably born around 1855.

Margeretha Goestel, born Abt. 1855 in Preriegel #11, Unterdeutschau, Gottschee, Austro-Hungarian Empire; died March 20, 1907 in Joliet, Will County, Illinois. She was the daughter of 2. Michael Goestl and 3. Agnes Loretitsch. She married (1) Franz Matzelle. She married (2) Johann Tscherne or Cerne October 25, 1892 in Joliet, Will County, Illinois. He was born Abt. 1859 in Stockendorf #4, Stockendorf, Gottschee, Austro-Hungarian Empire. He was the son of Mathias Tscherne and Agnes Samide.

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:13:08 (GMT)
Lynn :
Jim: Do you know if the Margaretha you are studying had sons Franz and Johan with F. Matzelle?


- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:15:34 (GMT)
Trix:
Dr. Jim. I feel pretty darn stupid now after asking you about Robert Smith. He indeed did retire and it is going to be a huge loss for the Vikings. I appreciated him, his intelligence and his manners. He was a class act.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:18:25 (GMT)
Trix:
To all of you: THANK YOU for a great evening of communicating. I have learned a lot; we have discussed many topics and I wish you all a great week. Think HAPPY THOUGHTS. Smile! Gute Nacht alle miteinader und schlaft gut!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:19:43 (GMT)
Lynn :
Trix: Have sweet dreams!

- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:20:46 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Lynn, I don't think I have anything other than what you now have on the Goestl side. The only information that might help would be the names of the Matzelle children ---- Maria Matzelle born Rodine and married to a Rudolf Rom, Josef born 1886 in Rodine#34 and married to an Aloisia Sterbenz, and a Josefa or Sophie Matzelle born unknown in Rodine#34 and married to Johann Stalzer.
- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:22:45 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hey! I just got kicked off again.
Time to say good night everybody! See you next week.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:23:05 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Lynn, would appear to be the same person. Have not finished with the file yet so other children may show up as I go on.
Going to call it a night as well. Lynn, you can email me about Margaretha. It does seem that Rodine was a border town. Some information is in the Stockendorf parish and some is in the Tschernembl parish.

- spider-wq062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:27:08 (GMT)
Lynn :
Goodnight Ridy!
- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:27:27 (GMT)
Mary Thurman:
Hey everybody sorry I missed tonites chat. Was at my son's for dinner.
- spider-tj054.proxy.aol.com - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:29:55 (GMT)
Lynn :
Hello Mary: It was a lovely night to chat. Hope you had a nice dinner. I'm just going away now, but will hope to chat with you in future. Have a good night, Lynn
- ilsmpn55.shawneelink.net - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 04:36:39 (GMT)
Grace:
March 4,2001 Fest at the Gottscheer Clubhouse,traditional food,polka band,dancing at 1:30 PM 25 dollars per person,enjoy
- 207.159.233.156 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 18:57:59 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Which Gottscheer Clubhouse? Where?
Interesting -- Lent starts on Ash Wednesday - February 28. . . . Times do change!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, February 26, 2001 at 23:57:40 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Griessknoedel 1/2 cup milk, 2 tbls.butter, salt nutmeg, 4 tbls farina, 2 eggs
Bring milk, butter and seasoning to a boil. Sprinkle in farina and form into a lump.Remove from heatand, singly mix in eggs. Cool.Use a tea spoon and place into boiling stock until dumplings rise to surface. Works for us every time.
How come all this interest in food. One day before LENT.

- spider-we011.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 13:31:07 (GMT)
Trix:
Hi Fred. Thanks for sharing. As long as we are talking about food the day before Lent Grießnockerln are a pretty safe menu item, wouldn't you say? Will need to try it your way sometime. Have a good, good day.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 21:09:53 (GMT)
Patricia:
Can anyone tell me a good source to look at for finding where a family or village may have been relocated to?? While I have read many people speaking about it and how people still stayed in touch with each other I wondered if it was common for one village to go to a certain area or was it by individual family. Also after the war were families able to return at all??
- 216-119-34-251.o1.jps.net - Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 02:36:15 (GMT)
Patricia:
Also does anyone know of a good book for someone new to their heritage, I am especially interested in the 1870-1900 era and have not been able to locate any books so far.
- 216-119-34-251.o1.jps.net - Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 02:41:47 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Did anyone ever had GEZWUNGENES KRAUT? Ausgezeihnet.
- spider-ti021.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 01:17:35 (GMT)
Sophia:
Fred: What is Gezwungenes Kraut? (Forced cabbage?) Very odd, Fred. Can't wait to learn all about it. Smile and take care.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 03:58:53 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Pater Anton Fink of Gottschee, who spent most of his adult life working in the Vatican, died this morning (March 2, 2001) in Germany. We will cherish his memory.
- 24.66.13.5 - Friday, March 02, 2001 at 13:19:14 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Anyone on yet? Am I early?
- A020-0790.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:01:56 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Margaret ~
I didn't think I could get on this evening - been having problems with my server again. What a bore! But just now it seems to be working OK. Don't know how long I'll last tonight - my kids were here for dinner and I'm bushed. But it was lovely to have our little family together again. Are you in that 'storm of the century' area we keep hearing about?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:14:53 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: No storm here. Thank goodness. We had 45 degrees today. Same tomorrow. However, my aunt and cousins in Mahopac and Hopewell Juncation, NY, are hunkered down. Feel sorry for them.
- A010-0197.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:17:30 (GMT)
Ridy:
We're supposed to be on the fringe of it and get 2cm of snow, but no sign of it yet. Usually it all gets dumped on the other side of Lake Ontario. I'm really wishing winter would make a speedy exit - enough already!
My mother used to tell stories about the heavy snowfalls they had in Gottschee, and I don't think anyone had high boots and the kind of warm winter clothing we have now. I sometimes wonder how the children managed to get to school when the snow was up to their armpits!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:22:43 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Those stories get better every time they are told. My grandma from Bavaria used to tell us such tales, too.
- A010-0197.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:24:17 (GMT)
Ridy:
True - but don't forget, they didn't have school buses either! The kids had to walk to school. That's probably the reason they didn't have a problem with obesity.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:27:01 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Really lonely here tonight. Guess I should log off and do some work. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles gut.
- A010-0197.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:30:59 (GMT)
Sonja:
Ridy - I figure that that's why I am so big! I was supposed to be working in the fields, using up all that energy. How are you tonight?
- spider-we031.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:31:36 (GMT)
:
I had a call from Sophie Parthe earlier today and she asked about a Gottscheer website. She just got back from visiting relatives in California and someone there wanted a site. I gave her this one. Can you suggest any others?
- spider-mtc-tb032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:42:54 (GMT)
Sonja:
That's me asking about the Gottscheer websites....(Sonja)
- spider-mtc-tb032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:43:30 (GMT)
Sonja:
I will have to check for responses next week. I am going to turn in. Guate Nocht!
- spider-mtc-tb032.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 02:47:18 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi to anyone still on the Chat. Sorry we didn't get on earlier but we were watching the Cavs get beat! Our weather is getting nasty here. Our grandkids are positive they won't have school tomorrow!
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:05:09 (GMT)
Trix in Minnesota:
Mr. and Mrs. Krocker: Where are you at? Have been watching the weather warnings all day. We had the same last weekend. Had 22 inches of new snow along with strong north winds and serious drifting. But, lets face it, spring is just around the corner. Hi Ridy. I bet you are tired and I understand.
Sonja, regarding the Gottscheet web site. I would recommend to your friend that she find a search engine, type in the word Gottschee and you will not believe all that will come up. It is quite fascinating all the good information that has been gathered for all of us to enjoy.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:15:13 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hi Trix: We live near New Philadelphia, Ohio, about 90 miles south of Cleveland. We met you and your daughter at the GHGA business meeting at Hawley. In our TV listings in the newspaper today, the documentary, The German Americans, is being shown Tuesday from 8 to 11 on PBS.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:21:36 (GMT)
Trix in Minnesota:
Thank you Mr. and Mrs. Krocker. We had a great time at Lukan's in Hawley. The GHGA will have their annual meeting there in June of 2002. The third annual trip to Gottschee will be just prior to that. The members will return on the 26th of June and then go right on to Hawley. Have you ever been to Gottschee? Any interest in going?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:24:54 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Trix: We have thought about going to Gottschee sometime in the future. This year, we hope to make a trip to Phoenix and also to Ridgewood for the Treffen. Ed met his cousin, Adolph Mausser of Ridgewood, at the Cleveland Treffen and he promised to introduce us to many more relatives in New York.
- mod33.new-philly.net - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:30:19 (GMT)
Minnesota:
You will have a great time at the New York Treffen, at any Treffen, for that matter. I have never been there but have attended the ones in Milwaukee, Toronto and Kitchener. They are truly a remarkable gathering of Gottscheers many of which, at times, have not seen each other for years. T which village in Gottschee is your connection?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:48:17 (GMT)
Minnesota:
Never mind about your Gottscheer connection, Mr. and Mrs. Krocker. I just found you in our membership directly. Should have checked earlier. Sorry. Have a good week and hop the storm is less than predicted.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 03:59:58 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I suppose I have missed everyone again tonite. Had the kids here for supper. The youngest granddaughter is spending the nite. She really thinks she is special!
- spider-wc071.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 05, 2001 at 04:30:44 (GMT)
tammy halterman:
I am so over whelmed by all the information of this community. I am looking for information on a Joseph Kraker, he was supposedly born 26 feb 1898. He married Mary sterbenz, I know he came over here from austria, but don't know much more about him or his family before him. Any information any one has would be greatly appreciated.
- 2Cust61.tnt4.tampa2.fl.da.uu.net - Friday, March 09, 2001 at 19:29:36 (GMT)
Anna Giannandrea:
I was born Anna Matzelle, my father was Rudolf Heinrich Matzelle, my grandfather-Matthias Matzelle and granmother was I think Rosalie, not sure of her maiden name off hand. My mom is Anna Mausser, her mother's maiden name was Hoenigman, she had a brother Johann and Franz and maybe another. Myself and my parents and siblings emigrated to the States in August of 1955 and eventually settled in Ridgewood, NY. I am now residing in Long Island, NY. It's great to see all the people keeping the Gottscheer Heritage alive.My father has passed away, but my Mom is living. Hope to hear from someone.
- ool-18b88102.dyn.optonline.net - Sunday, March 11, 2001 at 14:34:53 (GMT)
Sophia from Minnesota:
Hi Anna. I would very much appreciate hearing from you via e-mail. Please write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. Hope to hear from you soon. Danke schön.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, March 11, 2001 at 19:29:06 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I trust all are well and no more deep snow to deal with. Rain predicted for tonight, maybe snow by Friday. Darn!
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 01:59:04 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: Glad you are on. I sent the pictures of the churches to Marie Wolf. SHe really enjoyed them. Thank you so much.
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:01:07 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. It is snowy in Canon City again.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:05:47 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret ~
I think you and I are the early birds!
I was just going to post a notice that the PBS programme about Germans in America is on in our area - Buffalo/Toronto - just now. I've set the VCR to record it because I'm too tired to actually sit down and watch it now. Still have some cleaning up to do after having the kids here for dinner. Martha Hutter worked on that show and I'm looking forward to watching it in peace and quiet.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:07:26 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy that program will be on here Tuesday nite.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:09:23 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Hi Marilu!
You're on early tonight! Nice!
We were supposed to get snow, but got rain overnight instead. However, the temperature is dropping, and Lord only knows what we'll get next. Too much to hope that it might be spring soon!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:11:17 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Just checked our PBS station. KCMO is getting something about jazz. Wonder why? THis is the week PBS begs for donations. Maybe that's why.
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:11:36 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes Ridy no kids here today. I was at my daughters house this afternoon had a late lunch there. I have peace and quiet here. Will you be in Denver for the conference there.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:14:03 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Our PBS station is asking for pledges as well - I always think that people who support them anyway shouldn't have to sit through all the pledge periods. But it has to be done, I know. I do like a lot of their programs, I just don't like having the programs interrupted. So I tape them. Works fine.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:15:18 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Marilu -- What conference? Where? When?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:16:10 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
The GHGA in Denver in June.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:17:24 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Just typed in Gottschee on Yahoo. 810 listings. Now that should keep someone real busy checking those 810 web sites.
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:20:48 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
No - I'm not planning on that. Right now I'm still looking for a nice, restful cruise somewhere warm. I told my kids this evening that if I could pick up a cruise here in Toronto (Lake Ontario) and just cruise out to the Atlantic and then over to the Mediterranean, that would appeal to me. No land excursions -- just a bag of books I haven't read. That would be my speed.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:21:05 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Margaret -- it seems that there is more and more on the Internet about Gottschee. It never ceases to amaze me -- we were such a small community, just over 12,000 people, and it ceased to exist 60 years ago! We must be doing something right - keeping it alive.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:23:33 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Warm is the key word. Cruise no. Warm place. YES
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:23:34 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Margaret, I have probably checked out most of them. Ridy, I was hoping to meet you there.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:23:36 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: THe original group only 12,000. THe children, grand and great grand children must number in the millions by now. Amazing!
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:25:35 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
That was the number left in Gottschee in 1941. There were twice that many over here by then -- in New York, Cleveland, and every other place known to man, it seems!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:28:16 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Sounds like a great idea, Marilu, but Toronto seems to attract visitors like a magnet in the summer, and so far we've got guests coming from Texas, California, and England. My Austrian friends usually give me very short notice and I have a feeling a couple of them will also land on our doorstep this summer. I'm thinking of putting out a sign with a price list on it.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:30:54 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
It is amazing how many pockets of Gottscheers there are in the US
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:31:13 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
And don't forget Canada, eh!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:32:02 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy's Bed and Breakfast. My kids call my house a Bed and Breakfast! lol
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:32:04 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes Ridy Canada too I should of said North America, that is what I was thinking.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:32:52 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Anyone: Having trouble lately with nighttime leg cramps. Just knocks me out of bed sometimes. Anybody got any home remedies for these leg cramps??
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:35:15 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Margaret lots of calcium
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:35:44 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Quinine -
I'm trying to remember the name of the mix that has a lot of it. . .

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:37:31 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy do you mean tonic water
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:38:04 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Yes -- thanks.... I really am tired!
Guess Jim won't be on tonight - he's no doubt enjoying the warmth down south!
Maybe Holly will log on and tell us about her holiday.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:39:18 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Right this minute, I'm drinking tonic water with quinine in it. Also tried Gatorade. Any other tips??
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:40:09 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
When did Jim go dowm south? I have seen him online a lot this week.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:40:28 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Really must log off. AUf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0797.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:41:26 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Now that you mention it, Marilu, I'm not sure! I thought he went yesterday.
Good night, Margaret, see you next week!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:43:31 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
goodnight Margaret
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:43:31 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Well that good be, I have not seen him on today.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:44:09 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I was really looking forward to meeting you Ridy. Sorry you will not be coming to Denver. that was a cute joke you sent.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:45:19 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
I'm not really active in the GHGA - but I am a member, of course. Maybe after the book is finished. These days it's been a bit like pulling teeth --
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:47:21 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Well I cant say i"m active either, but I am looking forward to meeting everyone, especially the ones I have been chatting with. It is a chance for me to learn more about my heritage.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:49:12 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Of course it is only 150 miles from my home so that makes a difference for me.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:49:45 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
Hi Ridy. Long time no hear. Rest your feet, grab a cup of good tea and I will send you some nummy popcorn. Have you been cranking the typewriter? Greetings to all of you too.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:50:24 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Trix
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:51:15 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Well, if you want to wander further afield, there will be the big Treffen over the Labor Day weekend in New York! My parents used to go to that, because we had so many relatives in the New York area, and I'm thinking about it this year. But then I've learned not to make plans too far in advance -- I didn't even make it to the one here in Toronto last year!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:51:50 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy I know what you mean. the closer I get to the end of this Peschel history, it seems more keeps cropping up. Had to order more passenger lists this week.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:52:45 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My sister and I were talking about going to Ellis Island at the end of September, maybe we should go over labor day instead.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:53:55 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello! We were busy watchiing the Cleveland Cavs again, but this time they won. We watched the German Americans on PBS twice this week, but there was no mention of Gottscheers. Do you know which part Martha Hutter helped out with? It was good, but we had expected something on the Gottscheers and other ethnic German groups.
- mod11.new-philly.net - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:54:08 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Don't mention food tonight! I've been baking and cooking for the past two days and haven't finished cleaning up after dinner this evening. I'm just catching my breath -- and tracking my son's plane back to London again. I love that web site -- thetrip.com --
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:54:09 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
Hi Marilu: I got smart, checked the membership list and noitce your connecton to the village of Bistritz. The Gostilna (Gasthaus - Restaurant) Lackner serves great food. When I was there in June of 1999 met a Gottscheer who lives right across the street. Have you even there?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:55:54 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I have not been there. I have only known my ancestors came from there for 2 years. I hope to go someday. How many houses are in Bistriz today, there were 13 in the records.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:57:54 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
Ridy, you are one busy lady with an awful lot of energy too. I am proud of you. You do great. Isn't it great to be young where flying across the ocean is no big deal. Golly, when I fly to Europe I arrive pretty darn exhausted but happy too.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:58:33 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, Pat Sullivan is about a 5th cousin to me also.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 02:58:36 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
Marilu: Not many, maybe 3. But the area is beautiful, the highway excellent and the hospitality and food outstanding. Mr. Are you related to Pat Sullivan?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:01:27 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I found Pat, and he led me on to the history of my family
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:02:26 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
If there are only 3 houses, I am surprised there is a resturant there.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:02:58 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
I have had some wonderful conversatins with Pat too. Just remember, that the next trip to the Gottscheer region is scheduled for June 12 to 26, 2002. Should be a good time for everybody.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:03:57 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
YOu know the saying, if my ship comes in maybe I can go!!
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:06:55 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I am assuming you will be in Denver in June?
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:07:19 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
Lets say that I have made plane reservations. It will all depend on how life is at home. I am a fulltime caregiver to my husband, who has Parkinsons. Our son plans to come home and stay with Opa but June is a long way away. I am hopeful and daughter Maria plans to come too. So, I am very hopeful to have the opportunity to meet you too. I hope your ship comes in.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:09:45 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Good night, ladies. . .
Must put in another load of dishes before I can turn it.
Talk to you next week!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:10:08 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight Ridy. Trix, I hope everything works out for you also.
- spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:11:24 (GMT)
Trix in Mn:
Good Night everyone. Have a good, good week. Ridy, don't work to hard.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 03:24:48 (GMT)
Fred Falkner:
Trix Put our names down for the trip home in 2002.

- spider-we042.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 12, 2001 at 12:48:14 (GMT)
Johann Jonke:
hallo !

achtung!

ich habe eine neue e-mail adresse:

jr.jonke@utanet.at

die alte war jrjonke@EUnet.at und gilt nicht mehr.

johann jonke
scheifling 17
a-9300 st. veit an der glan

die mutter stammt aus verdreng

viele gruesse an alle





- 212.152.150.31 - Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 07:01:43 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Margaret: a week late I know. My wife was also having problems with leg cramps. She cut down on dairy (she loves cheese) and the problems stopped...
- dap-209-166-149-141.pri.tnt-1.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 03:18:02 (GMT)
Trix:
Did anyone see the PBS Special on the German Americans? Could we have a report please. Thank you one and all.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 01:35:32 (GMT)
John Herbst III:
Hi Trix and everyone,
I have been very busy working on my Mothers side of the family genealogies in France. Haven't been on the board for a while. Anything new on the Gottscheer front?

- proxy-1317.public.svc.webtv.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:11:41 (GMT)
helga blackwell:
hello i am new to this site and am feeling my way around
i am not sure if i am in the chat line or not.

- spider-wo071.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:18:21 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:

guten abend. Mir geht es gut--wi geht es Dihr? Now back to English. Helga: Welcome Yes you are on line.

- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:24:13 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Hi everybody!
We had spring in Toronto today! 6°C and brilliant sunshine! Not quite as lovely as California and Florida, but a whole lot better than the mess we've had this winter.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:28:04 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: We get to feeling too comfortable in March and boom along comes an ice storm. We keep our fingers crossed here in KCMO regarding spring weather.
- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:31:08 (GMT)
Trix:
Grüß Dich Margaret. Wie ist das Wetter bei Euch? Ich hoffe gut. Wir haben noch viel Schnee in Minnesota aber der Frühling steht vor der Tür. Yes, we do have a lot of snow yet in Minnesota. Hi John Herbst and Welcome Helga.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:31:14 (GMT)
Trix:
Hi Ridy of Toronto. How goes it? Have you been rocking and rolling on the computer and your book? Can't wait to read it. It will be terrific.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:32:38 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Trix -- do you by any chance remember what seeds had to be in the ground in Gottschee by St. Joseph's day, which is tomorrow? I do recall my mother grumbling about the fact that in Canada we still had snow in March, but in Gottschee certain seeds had to be planted in the fields by the 19th.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:34:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, everyone. Been busy bothering people with trees and things like that. How is everyone?

- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:34:49 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Welcome back, Jim! How was the South? Warm?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:35:43 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Trix: I translated most of that. We hope for Fruhling every day here. Our son in Fargo said it has been quite a winter. We will be in Fargo for Easter.
- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:36:29 (GMT)
Trix:
Boy Ridy, no clue but it is certainly something that we can research. Dr. Jim - welcome back.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:36:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Florida was very nice. About 80 everyday. NJ finally had some sun today.

- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:36:38 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: You were supposed to plant potatoes on St. Patrick's Day.
- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:37:23 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
So which are you doing trees for now, Jim? From which area of Gottschee?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:38:04 (GMT)
Trix:
Margaret - have you given any more thought about organizing the Gottscheers in your part of the country? Would be great! All it takes, you know, is one person to plant the seed and it grows from there. Please think about it.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:38:25 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Trix: Wish I had time.
- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:39:03 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Verrry funny, Margaret -- I was talking about Gottschee, not Ireland! We didn't have St.Patrick's Day in Gottschee.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:39:20 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello to everyone!
To Trix: We watched the German-Americans twice last weekend. It was a good program, but we were disappointed that there wasn't something included about the Gottscheers and other ethnic German groups.

- mod23.new-philly.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:40:05 (GMT)
Trix:
Potatoes? Wow! It's a good thing I don't have to plant them here in Mn. on St. Patrick's Day. We have mega amount of snow on the ground.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:40:12 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there everyone,
we got a couple of inches of snow yesterday but the sun was shining today, cold but cheerful.

- ashdial-61.suite224.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:40:25 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
What happened to Helga and John?
Helga - where in Gottschee does your family come from?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:41:02 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Ridy, I have been working on a lot of trees. Some Tschermoschnitz, some Tschernembl, some Nesseltal. Holly just linked with a couple in Australia that knew her family in Gottschee. Small world.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:41:33 (GMT)
Trix:
The problem with a small area like Gottschee is that many people have never even heard about it. Some years back the National Geographic did a beautiful article on Slovenia. Being most anxious to read their reference to Gottschee, or Kocevje, you can imagine my disappointment when I realized there would be nothing. I wrote them a letter and they responded and apologized - no space. I have come to the conclusion that it is up to us, you and I, who share the proud heritage of Gottschee to put it on the global map. We have a lot to share and we are an incredible proud people.I am game - are you?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:43:51 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I have a question for the genealogists out there. Rodine ---Tschernembl or Stockendorf? Grodetz ----- Tschernembl or Nesseltal. I have a file from George Plautz that lists quite a bit of information on that parish but some of the villages seem to go over two parishes. Speaking of Tschernembl, is it considered part of Gottschee or outside of Gottschee.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:43:53 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Has anyone ever heard of any Gottscheers going to South America in the 1800s? One of my father's relatives apparently did, but I don't know who, or why or where. . .
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:44:15 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, I have exchanged a couple of emails with Pete Yonke. Maybe he will come to the chat room tonight.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:45:09 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Jim,
Is there a Grodetz in Tschernembl? I only know it as Nesselthal parish.
lets add Maierle-is it in Tschernembl or Doblitsch?or both

- ashdial-61.suite224.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:46:08 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Glad to hear that you know Pete. Wish he would log on. He is a fount of information. THe family tree he did for us was excellent!
- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:46:28 (GMT)
Trix:
I am of opinion that Rodine is in Tschernembl which is out of the Gottschee region. But, many Gottscheers, particularly in the easter part of the area did a lot of business in that beautiful city.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:46:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, I think the whole issue is to make as much contact with Gottscheer descendants rather than try to get a lot of press. Not going to happen. However, there seems to be a lot of interest in Gottscheer descendants concerning their heritage.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:46:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I believe Helga's crew came from Buchl#50 via other towns in Nesseltal with some coming from Ploesch.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:47:43 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Tschernembl was outside Gottschee.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:47:44 (GMT)
Trix:
According to Josef Perz and his documentation of 1926 Maierle is in Doblitsch and Rodine is NOT in der Gemeinde Stockendorf.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:49:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Holly, George Plautz has Maierle squarely in Tschernembl. Otherwise I wouldn't have the foggiest. Rodine is listed in both Stockendorf and Tschernembl as far as the microfilms are concerned. Maybe it went from one to the other.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:49:43 (GMT)
Trix:
Dr. Jim - regarding Helga, are you talking about Plesch by Tschermoschnitz?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:51:39 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Time for me to say auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A020-0803.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:52:50 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
G'nite Margaret! See you next week.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:53:50 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, not sure. The information I have on her family is an estimate based on the data she gave and the resettlement records. It only listed Ploesch and did not give the parish. Hopefully, Helga can give some more information.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 02:58:13 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Everything is sp quiet. Is everybody watching the Sopranos?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:07:15 (GMT)
Jim H:
Will check back every now and then. If anyone stops in, just send me an email. Thanks.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:11:05 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Hmmmm - just came back to the computer, thinking that I wold have missed pages of conversation. . . .has everyone signed off?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:11:48 (GMT)
Jim H:
Ridy, I am just flipping back and forth. Kind of odd how the wires went blank.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:15:35 (GMT)
:
Sorry, I too left the computer. Am a regular watcher of The Practice. Good show, good acting and good writing.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:17:20 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Could possibly be some computer glitsch -- I've had a bit of trouble getting my messages pasted on - seems to take forever.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:17:57 (GMT)
Jim H:
I skipped the Sopranos. I was flipping through families from Tschermoschnitz.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:18:15 (GMT)
Trix:
Hi Helga. Any chance you are still with us? Would enjoy hearing from you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:18:30 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Is that a legal show, Trix?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:18:48 (GMT)
Jim H:
I am doing okay. How are you doing? I guess nobody liked the Tschernembl questions.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:19:21 (GMT)
Trix:
Way to go Dr. Jim. The heck with the Sopranos. Tschermoschnitz is much more important. Good thinking.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:20:01 (GMT)
Trix:
Ridy: Yes it is and truly an excellent show. Frankly it would have to be to hold my attention for a full hour. I am like Dr. Jim - I would prefer the Gottscheer topic but The Practice is worth it. It's on every Sunday at 9 p.m. here in Minnesota.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:21:47 (GMT)
Jim H:
Will send you a file for Sophie Kump. The Kump line stops short in Oberblaschowitz#1. There are Kumps leading in and Kumps leading out so I think Andreas Kump who married Veronica Schauer must have done it in a marriage record not in the GHGA lists. The Spreitzer side is pretty good.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:21:51 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Trix -- what's the verdict on the new grandchild? Are you going to keep her?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:22:05 (GMT)
Jim H:
Where is our Dakota friend? Too much schnapps, a touch of Shiraz from Australia, Zwiegelt from Austria.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:24:44 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Who is in Dakota?
I ran into a group of students from the Dakotas downtown this week. They were on a school trip. Was eavesdropping on their conversation. . . . interesting to hear what they thought of this foreign country called Canada! Glad to see that some of them make the effort to come up here to get to see us first-hand. I would have gone to someplace more exotic

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:27:34 (GMT)
Jim H:
Mary Thurman hails from that area code, I believe.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:29:18 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Colorado, I believe. . .
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:30:17 (GMT)
Jim H:
Trix, came up with a lot of information for the Gallup Gottscheer. Bill Peternel and Frances Coody both came through with the information. Frances has so much information about those who went into that area. A great help. Will assimilate it all before sending it out to you.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:31:15 (GMT)
Trix:
Well Ridy, we'll find out tomorrow night. Carlie Sophia Wyant is coming to meet her Oma and Opa. We are excited. From what I have seen I think she is a keeper.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:31:17 (GMT)
Jim H:
Is it Colorado? I know she isn't far from Denver but I thought it was in another state. At least I got the country correct.

- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:33:06 (GMT)
Trix:
Hey Franz from the Chicago area - where are you?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:33:07 (GMT)
Jim H:
Trix, do you know if it is Colorado for Mary?
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:34:43 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
I am being hailed - the cat needs to be fed.
Have a good week everyone, and see you next Sunday.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:35:30 (GMT)
Jim H:
Will be on a little longer but in and out. email if you get back. Otherwise, have a good week.
- spider-mtc-tf013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 03:46:06 (GMT)
Trix:
Dr. Jim: I believe it is Colorado. I think about 150 miles from Denver according to a prior conversation. I look forward to receiving the Kump file and will be glad to follow up on missing information. Good Night everyone. Have a good week and stay well.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 04:00:30 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Looks like I have missed everyone again tonite. I live close to Denver, Colorado to answer that question, grew up in Minnesota. About the towns you were talking about, most of those towns were in Tschermembl Parish, and I have the marriage and birth records for that parish. Rodine, Doblich, Maierle, Bristiz. However, I only have them up to about 1900. Have not ordered any newer that that.
- spider-wg063.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 04:04:00 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
The Tschernembl Parish IS on the big map that your guys made, so are you saying it is not officially part of Gottschee??
- spider-wg063.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 04:08:00 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, Maierle and Doblisch are both in Tschernembl Parish.
- spider-wg063.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 04:09:16 (GMT)
helga:
hi trix: yes my family did live in buchel, my grandfather
mathias oswald came from ploesch, not sure if i spelt it
right, my grandmother came from the stonitsch line, my
mother has a copy of her birth certificate. the family
left during the second world war, and most of them
settled in leibnitz, some emigrated to canada and my mom
and her sister emigrated to the north of england, now
we are in canada there are many cousins, second cousins
grandchildren and now great grandchildren. love to hear
from you. i can probably get lots of more info from
my relatives in austria. i know there are a lot of
pictures. my grandfather served in the army in the first
world war, then after he was a builder looking forward
to hearing from you helga

- spider-wo011.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 05:02:31 (GMT)
Trix:
Helga: Please send me an e-mail at: wyants@mlecmn.net. I look forward to hearing from you. Have a good day.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 19, 2001 at 15:16:04 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia Just heard from Helen and she has had sucess with my search. I have found out that I have family from, Hohneberg#10, Altlag#4 and Neulag #7 Family names were Herbst, Perz, Fink respectively. I had tears in my eyes as I was able to tell this to my mother tonight and will be passing it on to her cousin this week. It is such a big chunk of our puzzle. Helen will be in my prayers forever she is such a great lady to help us out with this. To all others who read this if these names and numbers sound familiar please let me know I would love to hear from any relatives who may still be out there and maybe could answer some questions for me. As I am new to my family heritage I would love to learn all I can about Gottschee. Thanks Patricia
Ntvimage@jps.net

- 216.119.50.20 - Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 05:54:45 (GMT)
Trix:
Patricia: Congratulations. I am happy for you. Just think, this could just be the beginning of many new connectons yet to be made. Enjoy and stay in touch please. Thanks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 02:24:39 (GMT)
Susan Peschel:
Im looking for any information on my Peschels. The oldest one that I have would be my great grandfather. His name was Otto Peschel and he was born Dec 25 1874. Most of my ancestors come from Berlin. If anyone could help me I would be very greatful.
Thanks!
Susan

- proxy2.connect.ab.ca - Thursday, March 22, 2001 at 15:57:31 (GMT)
Henry Stalzer:
Would like to hear anyone's opinion about the resettlement of Gottsheers onto Slovenian's lands during WWII. Namely, were the Gottscheers victims, or in any part culpable, in this "ethnic cleansing" duting WW-II. Does anyone know how the disposesed Sloveninas fared while expelled from their own land?
- 1Cust197.tnt2.har1.da.uu.net - Thursday, March 22, 2001 at 18:02:13 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Hi Mr. Stalzer. I would enjoy hearing from you via e-mail. Always good to chat with another Stalzer. Please write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. DANKE SCHÖN und Auf Wiederhöhren.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, March 22, 2001 at 18:47:15 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Hi Mr. Stalzer. I would enjoy hearing from you via e-mail. Always good to chat with another Stalzer. Please write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. DANKE SCHÖN und Auf Wiederhöhren.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, March 22, 2001 at 18:47:39 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia I spoke with Helen and she is sending me more information...I am so excited. She also told me of 2 half-sisters to my great-grandmother we idi not even know of a Yosefa and Rosalia Fink. It is so wonderful to think that there mey be living relatives of these two out there to connect with as well. I have a new e-mail ntvimage@earthlink.net and would love to hear from anyone Patricia
- ip171.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 01:20:45 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
To Henry Stalzer ~
I think the first fact you have to understand is that it's probably safe to say that 99% of the Gottscheers did not know that when they agreed to resettlement in Germany it meant resettlement in Slovenia, or Untersteiermark, as it was then known. They truly thought they were going to Germany - or 'Heim ins Reich' as the propaganda had it at that time. Gottscheers were not Slovenians and they were not Italians. Their language was German. It had not been their wish to be separated from the Austro/Hungarian Empire when that came to an end after WWI, but they were given no choice in the matter. The fact that they wanted to become part of Germany was not really a political statement on their part -- at least not for the majority of Gottscheers -- any more than coming to Canada or the USA has been a political statement for most of us who have come here after WWII. It was a matter of survival. Somewhat different circumstances, because coming over here was a free choice, or at least we chose the country to which we emigrated. And no, Gottscheers were absolutely NOT culpable for the part they played in their resettlement into Slovenian properties - they were pawns in a political chess game.
The Slovenians who were moved out of Untersteiermark (Slovenia) to make room for the Gottscheers were moved into labor camps in Germany.

- 24.66.13.5 - Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 05:30:52 (GMT)
Heinrich Stalzer:
To: Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Who the Gottscheers were, I am well aware of, my father is one of them, and he had lived in the town of Gottschee at the time in question. No, he was not resettled, he had no farm, or other real estate, but was a law student at the time.

I have to accept that they didnt know where they were going, but wonder why they hadnt asked! And, if asked, were they lied to, and by who? And, if lied to, what were they told, specificall. Sorry, if I am too ignorant, I only learned of the resetllement in the last few months!

Once they did arrive at their destination, and we have to agree that they knew where they were, what did they think, and what were they told. And, did they believe it.

When did they learn about the displaced Slovenes having been moved to labor camps in Germany? And, did they have any idea what that meant, in terms of quality of life, or, survivability. By the way, what was the suvival-return rate for those Slovenes who had been shipped off to labor camps in Germany?

- 1Cust116.tnt6.har1.da.uu.net - Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 18:08:15 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Mr. Stalzer: Regarding your specific question about when did the Gottscheers find out where they were going, I do not know. However, speaking for myself and my numerous conversations with my own parents I can tell you that they did NOT know prior to their arrival in Untersteiermark. They thought they were going to Germany too. Regarding your question about the Slovenian people who were moved from their homes and what happened to them I can tell you, again from personal experience, that I did not know until I visited the village and house in Deckmansdorf by Königsberg during my first trip in 1984. It was then that I learned about their experiences in the labor camps in Germany. For what it is worth we (husband and daughter Maria) had a most warm welcome from the original and current owners of the home in Deckmansdorf. I still correspond with the surviving daughter regularly and hope to visit her in the near future. My impression was that they too felt that we were all victims.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 20:19:54 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mr. Stalzer ~ please drop me an e-mail at ridy@home.com and I'll pass along some material I have to you. Also, you might like to check out Arnold Rom's home page -- his father was also a lawyer in the City of Gottschee. . .
http://home1.gte.net/armrpops/Index.HTM

- 24.66.13.5 - Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 22:01:14 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Some other very excellent Gottscheer home pages. . .
http://www.pipeline.com/~jbglad/Gottschee.html
http://www.auditorium.org/
http://Gottschee.com/
http://www.reliantdrive.com/gottschee.htm

- 24.66.13.5 - Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 22:05:08 (GMT)
Patricia:
Can anyone tell me how many houses were in Hohneberg around 1891?? And how many there are today? I being new to my heritage have been following the conversation on the re-settlement in what year{S} did this take place and were families ever able to reurn to Gottschee once they were moved??
- ip25.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 05:37:51 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I'm back. Is anyone going to be on tonight, or are all taken in by tinseltown?
- 1Cust69.tnt25.chi5.da.uu.net - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 11:53:24 (GMT)
Ridy:
Grüaß di Gött, Franze! Bu pischt dü g'ban? I kim heint schubonsch bidr; d Filmschauspielare interresierent mi ette. Pei insch ischt's heint kaut, ubr d schünne schainet benigstns
- 24.66.13.5 - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 13:29:36 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia: According to Josef Perz, in 1926 there were 18 houses in Hohenberg. There is probably no reason to think that this would not have been the case for the year 1891. So glad that you are learning more and more about your Gottscheer heritage. Enjoy.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 15:26:58 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ja, Franza, bu pischt Dü geban?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 15:28:20 (GMT)
Franz:
Griass di Ridy, I pin in Motana g'ban, I hon mein puekl aeusprobierat oeb I noech Schie kian furn. Es ischt schon noech gegean, lei epos longschomr. Due hoscht schon racht mit dan Schauschpielarn. Bei insch hots gerude heint in dr fria sturk geschneibet uend kaut is ar, mer bia in Montana. hoeffentlich bischt Due in Cyberspace heint.
- 1Cust132.tnt9.chiega.da.uu.net - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 15:36:22 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia Thank you, I am indeed enjoying this introduction to my heritage. Could anyone tell me if there are any sources for pictures of Hohenberg,Altlag, or Neulag? I have searched all of the online sites I could find to no avail but would love to view these 3 villages either with older images or current images.
- ip53.sacramento13.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 17:00:12 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Henry Stalzer ~ comments regarding the response from Ridy, dated 03/24 to your questions.
There is truth in some of her reply. However, the notion that the Gottscheer were ABSOLUTELY NOT culpable in the loss of our homeland and the fate of the Slovene is a very convenient view, albeit untrue. It is a view, held by many Gottscheer, that in all this we were all innocent victims, pawns in a political chess game. There is, however a lot more than the pat explanation that makes it easy for most Gottscheer to face the reality of that part of out past.

Ridy is right to say that most Gottscheer did not know that when they signed the Option, resettlement was into the annexed part of Slovenia and not the Reich. But she does not say that this was hidden from them by the young Gottscheer leadership, all fanatical Nazis, until it was to late to change their mind. This young leadership replaced the established leaders in 1938 with the help of the VoMi, (Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle in the Reich) because the established leaders did not tow the Nazi line. They promptly proceded to brainwash the Gottscheer, a job they did so well that by 1941 the love of the Gottscheer for their homeland was converted to love of the Fuehrer and thus made the Umsiedlung possible.
The intellectual strata, clerics, lawyers, business men, etc., resisted resettlement but were overwhelmed by the fanatical youth. This yout had also taken over the Gottscheer Zeitung from the Reverend Eppich, and used for its purposes. The conversion in the villages was propagated by the local Sturmfuehrer, a lower rank within the VGL (Volksgruppenleitung).

It should be kept in mind, that the Gottscheer were forced into the Option by all means of coercion known to the VGL, the clerics called the "Rotzbuben". (The Leader, SS Sturmbannfuehrer Wilhelm Lampeter, was 25). There were no Germans in Gottschee to help the VGL in their

- spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 22:35:43 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Continued:
It should be kept in mind, the Gottscheer were forced into accepting the Option by all means of coercion known to the VGL, the clerics called the "Rotzbuben". (The leader, Wilhelm Lampeter was 25). Thhere were no Germans to help thw VGL. and the occupying Italians spoke little German. The VGL asked to be made responsible for the Umsiedlung, granted them directly by Himmler. The brainwahing and coercion was all don by the "Rotzbuben". Those who resisted were turned over to the Italians as anti
The Gottscheer gave up theeir homeland because they were brainwashed. The reason for the resettlement elaborated by Ridy is part of that brainwash. The VGL withheld the resettlement destination until it was to late. They finally were forced to disclose that it was another part of Slovenia only after leaflets, distributed by the Slovene made the destination known. When asked what will happento those living there, the VGL lied again by saying that the Slovene are being fully compensated and resettled into homes in the Reich. Fact is the expulsion (ethnic cleansing German style)started only after the sign up period was overand the resettlement of the Gottscheer started. Of all the 37,000 Slovene who were taken to german Labor camps, more than 1/2 never returned.

To say, as Ridy says, that the Gottscheer are not culpable is not true. (This can be said only of the "innocent" who were brainwashed). The VGL on the other hand carries a lot or responsibility for our loss and the misery of the Slovene. Yet, they continue to be included in in the circle of the "innocent". This is true because members of the VGL continue to be included in present day leadership circles. The brainwash is still working.

- spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 22:58:08 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:


- 24.66.13.5 - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 23:13:41 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
to Henry: continued ~
That the VGL lied and misled its people is fact. Yet they and their followers, all culpable, are, by Ridy's logic included into the innocent who were misled by them into disaster. They have never been singled out for their dirty deeds. To the contrary, they have been given gold medals, are "Honored Members" and "Cultural Advisers" in Gottscheer organizatins. The brainwash is still working.

The sad part in all this is the fact that some of these VGL, top leaders are still formulating Gottscheer policies. The leader of the Altsiedler, (those who stayed) A. Gril, regulaly travels to Germany to attend policy meetings. They are part of the AG, Gottscheer Arbeitsgemeinschaft, of which Sophias GHGA is a member and she is its VP. The AG demands Minority Rights for the Altsiedler, knowing well enough the Sovene state can not and will not grant this to a group of less than 100 souls.

With this demand, Gril, the AG and its members are not only alienating the surrounding Slovene neigbors, but also the Slovene government and others who see that such alienation will only accelerate the end of the ethnicity of those who stayed. Without a Slovenia friendly to the Gottscheer, the ethnic group there will not survive. It is a telling fact that many of Gril's group withdrew membership when he started to demand, via foreign sponsors, Minority Rights. Even more withdrew after they learned that this effort is driven by those they rejected in 1941.

- spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 23:20:16 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
I take it you don't agree with my logic, Mr. Tschinkel.
- 24.66.13.5 - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 23:35:50 (GMT)
:
Mr. Tschinkel, why do you remiss to point out that after WWI there was a drive by the slovenes to close german schools, force the slovene languge on the schoolsystem and on the Gottscheers, admit, you are not a German Gottscheer but a slovene. I am not defending any system, but if you want to point fingers point them at all involved.
- 1Cust122.tnt10.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 00:53:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, everyone. Very interesting conversations. Apart from the unnecessary vitriol, I think Ridy and Mr. Tschinkl are in substantial agreement in that the vast majority of Gottscheers were unaware of the true facts of the resettlement. They are also in agreement that the move was implemented by a select group of individuals who manipulated a politically unsophisticated population that had good reasons to be afraid for their continued existence in an area where ethnic tensions ran and continue to run high. (Serb, Croat, Bosnian, Macedonian, Albanian conflicts to name a few including one that is going on now)
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 01:11:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Other than that, how is everyone? I did not know that people were going to get a head start on the chat room. Patricia, have you gotten my emails. With respect to pictures of the villages, there is a videotape made in the 1930's which shows a good number of the villages. Altlag is in there and I believe Hohenberg and the others are in there as well.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 01:13:51 (GMT)
Bernhard:
To whom it may concern,The Gottscheers in Slovenia today know that they need and deserve democratic rights in a democratic Slovenia,so don't deny them their rights because you don't live there and you did not suffer under the atrocities of the Tito regime which was responsible for murdering thousands for political and ethnic backgrounds,that were not acceptible to them.
- user-2inih16.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 01:35:54 (GMT)
Bernhard:
To whom it may concern,The Gottscheers in Slovenia need our financial and moral support and will get their democratic minority rights only with our help and the help of other democratic countries in the region,afterall Germany and Austria were first to recognise the independance of Slovenia.
- user-2inih16.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 01:44:08 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Mr.Tschinkel,Over half of them never returned to Jugoslavia because they were afraid to go back to a communist country that murdered returning Slovenian P.O.W.'s who were turned over to Tito, by the British army,against their will .Many stayed in Germany because of the economic opportunities in rebuilding Germany after the war.
- user-2inih16.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 01:57:00 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten abend. Wi gehts?? Anyone on tonight?
- A010-0817.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:14:24 (GMT)
Jim :
Good evening, Margaret.

- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:16:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Glad you logged on. Some heavy discussions going on here. Sorry I don't understand most of it. Must ask Marie Wolf about it. SHe lived through all of this.
- A010-0817.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:24:02 (GMT)
Jim :
Margaret, there are two sets of issues that are connected. One is an issue revolving around the history of the resettlement.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:26:48 (GMT)
Jim :
The other issue is about current efforts of the Gottscheer minority to get certain rights in Slovenia.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:27:22 (GMT)
Jim :
I think I have a pretty good handle on the history of the resettlement but I don't have a good grasp on the issue of minority rights.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:28:31 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim: Thanks so much for your explanation. That region of the world is certainly volatile--even today. Makes me glad we're in the good old USA
- A010-0817.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:30:05 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Had a difficult time to log on. Wow, what a discussion. Guten Abend Freunde, wie geht es Allen?
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:30:18 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi everybody!
I'm late again -- anybody still around?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:30:44 (GMT)
Sophia:
I agree with Dr. Jim. Does anyone really know the current status of the minority issue and/or has anyone ever read the document. If you have, how about sharing it with the rest of us. Thanks.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:31:17 (GMT)
Arnold Rom:
I think we should all consider ourselves Members of the Human Race first and foremost.

Nationality and Ethnicity are secondary. Yes, we should be aware of our History, but it is time to accept that Gottschee is now Kocevje.

In the spirt of Beethoven's 9th we should remember his edict: "Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo Dein sanfter Flügel weilt",and go on from there with our present and future lives.

Best Regards .... Arnold

- 1Cust159.tnt3.sea1.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:31:32 (GMT)
Arnold Rom:
I think we should all consider ourselves Members of the Human Race first and foremost.

Nationality and Ethnicity are secondary. Yes, we should be aware of our History, but it is time to accept that Gottschee is now Kocevje.

In the spirt of Beethoven's 9th we should remember his edict: "Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo Dein sanfter Flügel weilt",and go on from there with our present and future lives.

Best Regards .... Arnold

- 1Cust159.tnt3.sea1.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:32:42 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. Hope I am not too late.
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:34:54 (GMT)
Jim :
Hello, my chat room friends. I was wondering what the turnout would be with the Sopranos and the Academy Awards both on.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:35:08 (GMT)
Jim :
Hi, Marilu. Welcome to the highly political chat room.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:35:50 (GMT)
Bernhard:
We lost the land but the culture is still here, in the people and thank God we are here to talk about it.
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:35:59 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Jim, tinseltown will always be tinseltown, who cares.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:36:29 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Good to see you on tonight. Hope your week has been pleasant?
- A010-0817.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:37:54 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Jim, how was it down south? Hope you had a great time.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:38:18 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim I think this chat is way over my head tonite, as I do not understand any of this, as it happened way before my time, and have not read enough on it before.
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:39:24 (GMT)
Jim :
My ancestors left Gottscheer after World War I but well before the Resettlement. For a significant portion of the American Gottscheer population, our wish is that there is a hospitable place for us to go and visit if the chance arises. I do not know what the other issues are with respect to minority status.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:39:47 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Hi Margaret, thanks for asking. I had a great Skiing get-away in Montana, had to come back to real life last friday.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:40:30 (GMT)
Jim :
Marilu, parts of it are over my head as well.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:40:37 (GMT)
Jim :
Franz, Captiva was very nice. About 80 everyday with only one cloudy day. No snorkeling or scuba to speak of but we did bicycle a little bit along with some nature trail walking.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:42:03 (GMT)
Sophia:
Bernhard: Nice thoughts. Thank you. I would like to add if I could that the Gottscheer culture and heritage is quite present in Slovenia as well. Much restoration has been done during the last 5 years which has had much support and actual work by those living in the former Gottscheer reigon of Slovenia. I am proud to say that this important work has been done by individuals with Gottscheer and Slovenian heritage. They work together and take great pride in their accomplishments. I further agree that it is great that we can talk about these matters as we are doing tonight. I am extremely proud of my Gottscheer heritage and to me it will always be my homeland even though I am very happy in my new home in the USA.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:42:28 (GMT)
Ridy:
Franz - for somebody who has had a bad back not too long ago, how did the skiing agree with it?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:42:53 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I remember my parents generation had mny pros and cons after WWII, many longed for a return however many others were glad it was over. I myself remember some of the life they led. I don't think any of us would ever want to follow their hardships. However we should cary on the heritage if possible.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:46:05 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ridy, not bad, not bad. Just a bit more slow and cautios.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:47:43 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am still trying to learn enough about the heritage, as none was passed on to my family.
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:48:26 (GMT)
Jim :
My grandmother did not say much about the old country but I get the impression that life was very hard. I would guess that the ones that emigrated to the USA must have had it harder in Gottschee than the ones that stayed. Economics played a large part in the original emigrations before politics entered into the picture.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:50:03 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes, my ancestors came here in the 1880's, and I assume it was to find a better life.
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:51:13 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Marilu, did you read Petschauers "Jahrhunderte Buch"? I think he was close to accuracy, and fair. I have the German version.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:52:15 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Jim, you hit the nail on the head.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:53:23 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: My father never wanted to go back, even to visit. I guess life there was very hard. He never talked much about it. He was always more AMerican than me.
- A010-0817.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:53:54 (GMT)
Sophia:
Fran: I agree - the Petschauer books says it well. If not available I would recommend the thesis by Tom Bencin. It too is excellent and can be purchased from the GHGA.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:54:14 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz, no I have not. Is there an English version?
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:54:44 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Will log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-0817.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:56:28 (GMT)
Bernhard:
We Gottscheers lived in harmony with our Slovenian neighbors for 600 years and when I visit Gottschee I am always received with kindness and respect.I just hope that the Gottscheers living there are soon going to be given the same rights that the Italian and Hungarian minority now enjoy.A country's humanity is proven by how they treat their minorities.In the Slovenian constitution there is still an anti-german clause from the Tito regime which the government should remove now that Germany and Slovenia are both democratic countries.
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:56:31 (GMT)
Jim :
I am sure my grandmother would not have wanted to go back but I do. So much of my heritage is there. I would wager that it is much nicer to visit than to try to farm it. Sort of like gardening. Gardening as a hobby is fun but farming for a living is not.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:57:18 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I have some sharp memories, it was not an easy life. May daughter keeps telling me to put it on paoer while the memory is still around. I wouls like to, time,time,time.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:57:39 (GMT)
Jim :
Although I do not understand the total picture about ethnic minority's issue, it seems that they should be equal with the rights that other minorities receive.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:59:20 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have that video from 1936, and it is quite interesting. Some day I would love to go visit there.
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 02:59:59 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: You need to make the time to record your memories. They are extremely important not only for your children but for the rest of us too. A simple way might be to record them. I have an excellent Oral History Guide that contains a wonderful outline and easy to follow. Let me know if you wish to have a copy.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:02:03 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Marilu, somewhere in the plauderzimmer someone mentioned the english version, I don't remember who it was.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:02:12 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Sophia, I would indeed.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:03:07 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
I can still picture our house inside and out and our daily life.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:04:47 (GMT)
Jim :
Ridy, are you still with us or are you watching the awards?
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:05:21 (GMT)
Sophia:
Regarding Bernhard's comments regarding his visits to Slovenia. My first visit was in 1984; it was followed in 1985; 1987; 1993; 1996 (Co-hosted a trip for 25)and 1999 (co-hosted a trip for 40). I agree the warm and hospitality of the Slovenian people makes one feel most welcome. They are interested in who we are, are sad about our experiences and most realize the appreciate the many contributions of the Gottscheers throughout their 600 plus year presence. Like I have said so many times before we were all victims. I encourage all of you to consider visiting the Kocevsko region of Slovenia. You will not regret it and you will be enriched by have done it.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:06:09 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Sophia, the Komutzen photo is forthcoming along with a german newspaper clipping as a premium.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:06:28 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Ridy,I respect your courage in debating with Mr.Tschinkel because he has a tendency to slander all those who do not acknowledge his very personal view of Gottscheer history.
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:08:03 (GMT)
Patricia:
Jim Hello I just returned form work and recieved your e-mails.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:08:20 (GMT)
Jim :
Speaking of the video, I think there is a way to make picture prints off of a video frame. Does anyone know what hardware or software is needed to do that? Wouldn't it be great to be able to get photographs or picture files of selected scenes in the video?
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:08:39 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Going in the mail in the morning. Hope I can find your address. I am wondering if it got lost when the computer crashed. How about giving it to me again.

Mary: Please check with your library regarding the Petschauer Book. I have the feeling that they can get the English version for you. Good luck. If not, let me know.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:08:47 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Thanks Sophia
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:09:45 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim. There has been some discussion to do exactly what you are recommending. A possible source might be John Gladitsch of New York who has done some excellent work.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:10:23 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Sophia, 300 N Hough Street, Barrington, Il 60010. This is my bus. address.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:10:55 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: Danke!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:12:08 (GMT)
Patricia:
continued Helen is currently writing everything up for me but what I have is that Magdalena was born 1 11 1866 illegitimate at Altlag 4 to Marie Perz also illegitimate. Later on 5 22 1869 Maria marries Mathias Fink of Neulag 7 {who might have been Magdalena's real father} and they have Rosalia and Yosefa.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:13:12 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia, Welcome aboard. There are several sites online with pictures of different villages and there is also the video that we have been mentioning tonight. Glad to hear that Helen was able to piece things together.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:16:59 (GMT)
Patricia:
Continues..Magdalena marries Josef Herbst of Hohneberg#10 and they had Joseph in 1891 then moved to West Virginia where they had Rudy in 1893 Josef then died in an accident and Magdalena returns home with the 2 boys. Sometime between 1895 and 1900 she re-marries and settles in Cleveland where my grandmother and her siblings were born.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:17:09 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Everyone. There has been a lot of excellent conversation tonight and I THANK YOU all. One final thought and reminder:
Anyone thinking about going to Slovenia please remember that the first ever gathering of the Slovenia Genealogy Society of America and Slovenia, in cooperation with the GHGA and FEEFHS will be held Sept. 8 - 14, 2001 in Ljubljana. The conference is the beautiful title of BRIDGING OUR WORLDS. If interested please contact Kollander Travel in Cleveland at 1-800-800-5981. Should be a very interesting event.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:18:03 (GMT)
Jim:
Trix,
have a good night.

- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:21:59 (GMT)
Sophia:
Bernhard: I would enjoy hearing from you. My e-mail is: wyants@mlecmn.net.

Good Night one and all and again DANKE.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:23:00 (GMT)
Patricia:
How do I obtain this Video??? The online sites I have enjoyed but I have found very little on the 3 villages I am interested in. This would have thrilled my grandmother were she still here. Although being very involved in her church she would have not have enjoyed the "illegitimate" parts to our heritage! ha
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:23:34 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Where are the Krockers tonight? I would like to thank them for forwarding the Tramposch address and phone #. I had two phone conversation with Josef, who was a Komutzen childhood friend. We plan to meet coming Saturday.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:23:48 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia,
I am not sure but they may mention the video on the GHGA site.

- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:25:26 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Patricia,You can obtain the video by calling 718 366 3030 during regular business hours
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:25:35 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Sophia, Guetei Nocht.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:25:36 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Patricia, from the records I have seen, it seems as tho we all have some of that "illegitimate" in our historys. I will have to dig, but somewhere I have the address for the video.
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:26:07 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I see there is a phone number for you, Patricia
- spider-tr022.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:26:42 (GMT)
Sophia:
Well, one more. Patricia: To order your copy of the video by Father Trapp (English version) please write to: Gottscheer Relief Assn. 657 Fairview Avenue, Ridgewood NY 11385. I think it sells for $20.00.

Will check through my books to see what I find on the 3 villages: Neulag, Altlag and Hohenberg.

I am very happy for you.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:26:44 (GMT)
Jim:
Marilu, amen to that.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:27:35 (GMT)
Patricia:
Thank-you I will check there as It would be a wonderful thing to show my children. I wonder how they will one day view their heritage and my efforts to locate and preserve what I can.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:27:43 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Jim,There is a computer external add on item called a "snappy" for digitalizing home videos.You can buy it at Comp usa.
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:29:00 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia thank you.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:29:10 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Jim, whendo you think you will visit Chicago again? Would certainly like to meet with you.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:29:54 (GMT)
Sophia:
I promise this is it. Ridy, where are you? How are you? We miss you!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:30:02 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia, I wonder about that as well but at least it will be there to look at when the time comes. I never thought about it much until ten years ago and did not know much until about three years ago. Helen, Holly, and John Herbst helped me get going.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:30:23 (GMT)
Jim:
Bernhard, that is great. I will look into it. I would guess that you get the image in digital form and then can make photos or computer files from that point on.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:32:37 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim. Can't resist. Sorry. I am sure glad that Helen, Holly and John got you going. What a joy it has been to work with you and what a great job you have been doing. Thank you.

Now back to the same old question: We need to motivate our children! Why does that seem so difficult to do?

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:32:39 (GMT)
Jim:
Trix, I think we need to motivate some of our elders as well. There is a window of opportunity to document the migrations and culture that is now passing. The children of those that emigrated in the late 1800s are most likely gone and, with each generation, the information goes with them.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:35:49 (GMT)
Patricia:
I am an instructor at a local scrapbooking store and one of the classes I teach is in the preservation of heritage photos and momentos so I have been showing student my works in progress as well, I have noticed a definate increase in people trying to find their heritage. The biggest mistake from most generations was not I.D ing people and places in photos. So to you with the photos and the stories write it down for the future generations as it will be like gold to them.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:35:57 (GMT)
Jim:
The young ones have spread beyond the old neighborhoods but may be coming back through the internet. The GHGA is doing a great job in making information available online. I have "bumped" into quite a few online in the last two years. Holly came in contact with relatives in Australia.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:38:19 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim - you are so right! Thank you for reminding me of that.

Patricia - Thank you for your thoughts too.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:38:55 (GMT)
Patricia:
My husband used to work for the company that manufatured the snappy. It was play.inc. and they had a web site that told all about it. I do not know if it is still there or not but used to be accessed through the search engine dogpile
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:39:28 (GMT)
Jim:
Franz, possibly in November for the big radiology meeting.

Bernhard, nice to have you onboard. What part of Gottschee did you come from?

- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:40:22 (GMT)
:
Jim, you are right about the generation that knew the stories are gone. I have a huge collection of dates for my book on the Peschel's, but nothing as far as family heritage or traditions. It was all lost.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:40:57 (GMT)
Franz :
Jim, you are correct. Once I told my daughter to join us, she keeps following us during the week on the log and she is surprised and curious. I wonder where she is tonight.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:40:59 (GMT)
Sophia:
One more thought about our Oral Histories. The GHGA is very dedicated to this work. The project chair is Irene Tramposch Bigot of Colorado. She would be delighted to hear from any of you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:41:00 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sorry my name was missing from the last message
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:41:31 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Jim,Spielberg has financed the video documenting the personal histories of people who survived WW2,maybe there is some wealthy Gottscheer who could finance such a project for the Gottscheers.
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:42:03 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia, I have a nice macro lens and I enjoy getting the old pictures and enlarging certain areas and focusing on smaller details. I do not know how to retouch them although there are computer programs out there that seem to do a great job like Photoshop.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:42:33 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: How old is your daughter? She is the one from NM correct? I have three children as well ranging from 41, 39 and 34. All have an interest in their mother's heritage but Maria, in particular, shares my passion. I am lucky in that all three of our children are members of the GHGA as are all of my 4 siblings.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:43:51 (GMT)
Patricia:
I am in the Sacramento Calif area does anyone know of any CHGA branches in this area.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:44:05 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have a couple of computer programs that are really good at old pictures. One I use all the time is Franklin.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:44:15 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Jim,My anscestors lived in Masern.
- user-2iniger.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:44:23 (GMT)
Jim:
Marilu,
Without specific memories, getting a general feel for the specific areas of Gottschee may help in "fleshing" out the book. For instance, such and such town or village may have been known for farming, mining, lumber ..... . It would give a general idea as to what life was like for your ancestors.

- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:45:13 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia: I do not believe that we have any members from Sacramento but have them from the SF and LA areas. Our annual meeting will be in Denver this June; next year it will be at the Gottscheer resort of Lukan's in Hawley, PA. I know we have talked about holding one of our meetings in CA from time to time. Perhaps it can be in the near future. Your interest is appreciated.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:46:07 (GMT)
Franz :
Sophia, she is 31 . Have also 2 sons, 35 and 29.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:46:08 (GMT)
Sophia:
See what I mean Franz. The year 1936 was indeed a good year, don't you think? (Private joke!).
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:46:59 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I think Bistriz was a farming area, but am not sure about that either. I know the Petsche's from Bistriz were peddlers here when they first came.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:47:57 (GMT)
Jim:
Sacramento, eh!!. Watched the game today. The Kings had a very poor second half but they have a chance for revenge in a couple of days and they will have a good chance to beat the Lakers. Do you follow the Kings?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:48:12 (GMT)
Franz :
Sophia, it is an excellent vintage.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:48:15 (GMT)
Jim:
Didn't Sophie say she was leaving us. I guess she just can't break away. The one thing the internet does not provide is a room where we can share a meal and talk face to face. The old clubs had it over the chatrooms in that respect.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:50:38 (GMT)
Franz :
Jim, I certaily hope you will anouce your trip to Chicago.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:51:50 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim: You are right - have not been able to let go. Just an excellent evening of conversing. But, I promise, soon I will call it a night.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:51:57 (GMT)
Patricia:
Jim I do not, I leave it to my brother and his wife with whom I would never disagree openly about their teams or it would be as heated as tonights earlier dicussion!
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:53:05 (GMT)
Jim:
Marilu, Georg Plautz might have more information on the industries around Bistritz. Sophie, it might be a good idea to have capsule summaries of the towns in Gottschee. For instance, Altlag -- number of houses, approximate number of people at peak population, number of houses still standing, main occupations of the populace and so on. Do any of the books listed with the GHGA go into things like this?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:53:13 (GMT)
Franz :
Sticking to this keyboard and screen proves our interest in our heritage.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:53:53 (GMT)
Jim:
Franz, do you remember who used to head the Gottscheer Club in Chicago? Do you think he would have a membership list? Maybe he kept track of where people moved to.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:55:18 (GMT)
Franz :
Jim, I drove through Altlag in '88. Very few houses. Used to be a larger village.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:55:29 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim: Regarding your question about Gottscheer villages. The GHGA has been collecting, editing and working on the Gottscheer Villages Project for over 3 years. It is chaired by GHGA Director Paul Jenner (Lichtenbach) of St. Joseph, Mo. When completed it will be published. I am certain that Mr. Jenner would welcome any inquiries.

Lets remember too that most Gottscheer villages were farming. I believe that factories were in the larger towns.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:56:41 (GMT)
Patricia:
I agree With this idea, it is very hard to invision their life. It would be wonderful to know those things especially when no one is left in your family to tell the tales directly.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:56:50 (GMT)
Franz :
Jim, it was Adolf Luscher, Sophias cousin. He lives now in Florida. I think she might be able to help.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:57:08 (GMT)
Jim:
When I get to Gottschee, I am going to walk into the woods for all the old towns that no longer exist and snap pictures. But as I have said before, the guide must know his way around bears, wild pigs, and the like.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:57:08 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, good idea...I will ask George about that
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:57:31 (GMT)
Jim:
I think Sophie just sent him a family tree. We had been talking about him last week. Sophie, are you stil here? Do you think Adolf might have some information?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:58:18 (GMT)
Sophia:
The President of the Chicago Gottscheer Club is still Adolf Rom. His Address is: 1515 Sheridan Rd., Wilmette, IL 66091-1822. He hails from Gaber by Tschermoschnitz. Franz: Could you try to contact him to see about the membership list and anything else that their club may have, i.e. photos, maps, oral histories etc.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 03:59:31 (GMT)
Franz :
Sophia, thanks, I will try to get in touch.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:00:38 (GMT)
Sophia:
Are Adolf Luscher and I related? I don't think so but he was a good friend of my father and also to me. I am thinking that Adolf Rom, who replaced Mr. Luscher might be a better contact at present. Mr. Luscher has had health problems but I shall gladly ask him after you check with Adolf Rom. OK with you Franz?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:02:38 (GMT)
Jim:
Would be interesting to see if Adolf responds. I checked the FTM file and the resettlement records but did not find Adolf Rom. Did they emigrate prior to 1941?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:02:52 (GMT)
Jim:
Sophie, you are Adolf's fifth cousin.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:04:25 (GMT)
Franz :
Oops Sophia, there goes my memory. I thought you mentioned a few weeks ago cousin. I always think all Gottscheers are cousins. OK with me .
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:05:09 (GMT)
:
Growing up as a child and having my grandmother always tell us we were Austria/ Hungarian I had this sound of music image in my head for many a year. What is the current situation there ie freedoms, livelyhoods etc.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:05:52 (GMT)
Franz :
See, Jim agrees, we are all cousins anyway.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:06:15 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sorry that last one was from me.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:06:18 (GMT)
Jim:
Was watching a channel today that had a show on it called Slovenian Forum or something like that. One of the individuals that was on it was named Znidnarsic which is the Slovenian version of Schniderschitsch. He was making some masks to scare away the evil spirits of winter and welcome spring. He should bring some of those masks to New Jersey.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:07:37 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz, I think we are going to find out we are all related too....I am pretty sure I am related to everyone in the village of Bistriz.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:07:54 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia, Slovenian is now a democracy and, from what I have read, has been the most stable of all the republics that emerged from the break up of Yugoslavia. The hills probably resemble the "Sound of Music" now more than they did when there were more villages in the area.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:10:20 (GMT)
Franz :
Patricia, till 1918 we were infact Austro- Hungarians. When the Allies created Yugoslavia from the Balakan States, we became part of Yugoslavia untill Hittler changed it, and after WWII, we all left for what is current Austria. From there we scattered all over the Globe.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:11:07 (GMT)
Patricia:
Is there any reference works on the folklore of the area?? My grandmother always cautioned us about the gypsy's getting us. Which I always wondered if her mother used to say that to her. Somehow it was always more mysterious than the current parental warnings!
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:12:00 (GMT)
Jim:
I think we are related to quite a few people but I don't think there will be links for many of us. Certain parishes did not blend with others and the populations remained quite isolated. Very rare for the southeast parishes to mix with those in the north although adjacent parishes would have intermarriages. Even then, the marriages often occurred between families that had moved from one parish to the other but still married with those from the old home area.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:12:55 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes Jim, you are right. I am finding the same thing in my records. there were intermarriages between all the churches in a parish, but probably not much outside parish lines.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:14:39 (GMT)
Franz :
Patricia, yes there were Gypsis that used to come around scaring people with witchcraft.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:14:43 (GMT)
Jim:
There are publications like the Gottscheer Tree and other journals that have stories in them about life in Gottschee. I am hoping that my wife will get me the back issues as a birthday present. The Slovenian online site sometimes has a story that originated in the Gottschee area.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:14:50 (GMT)
Patricia:
As you can see with me this whole new found heritage opens as many new questions as it answered.
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:15:05 (GMT)
Patricia:
Are there any of the original Gottscheer families still there or did they all leave during the re-settlement never to return??
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:16:35 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia, visiting the different online sites (especially the GHGA site) will help. Posting questions on the bulletin board may also get you some answers and there are a lot of people who are willing to help out.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:16:55 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Patricia, I agree. For every answer I find, there are more questions.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:17:10 (GMT)
Franz :
Patricia, yes there are a very few there, however of those that left I doubt that any returned.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:18:14 (GMT)
Jim:
Bernhard may be able to help you with that one. I am not that familiar with how many families stayed but there were not that many. Does anyone know of a list?
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:18:28 (GMT)
Jim:
I agree with Franz. Post war Yugoslavia was not a safe place for nonCommunists Slovenes so I would not like to think about what would have happened to a nonCommunist AustroGerman Gottscheer if they had tried to get back. I am surprised that any of the ones that stayed actually survived.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:20:25 (GMT)
Franz :
It has been a wonderful evening, I am afraid I have to go the way of Sophia. I wish you all a good Night and a pleasant week. Look forward to meet again next sunday.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:21:08 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night Franz
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:22:40 (GMT)
Franz :
One more note, Most of those who stayed behind were married to slovenes.
- 1Cust73.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:22:41 (GMT)
Jim:
As my friends in Chicago and Minnesota have done, I thank you for a wonderful and interesting chat room. Good night and have a good week. Patricia, if you have questions, don't worry. We all do. It is a learning process and there are many around to help us.
- spider-mtc-tc082.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:26:05 (GMT)
Patricia:

- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:26:06 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night, everyone...it's been an interesting evening.
- spider-tr062.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:27:28 (GMT)
Patricia:
Thank-you all and good night I look forward to new friendships and rest assured I will have many more questions for you all next week!
- ip230.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:28:13 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Ridy ~ It is not your views I disagree with. Your views are really the views of the the Gottscheer leadership in Europe which is still dominated by the old members of the VGA. Their mission is to justify their failed policy to the Gottscheer and deflect all responsibility onto others, mainly the Slovene. You should know the the editor of the GZ from 1956 to 1971 was Herbert Erker, an intimate inner circle member of Lampeters staff from 1938 to 1941 was also the the editor of the then GZ, the main organ serving Lampeter to convert the Gottscheer. Erker's successor, 1971 to 1996 was Ludwig Kren, also an intimate of Lampeter who also worked under Erker at the GZ 1938-41. It is therefore not surprising that this continuation of the VGL was successful in formulating tha appologia to absolve the VGL of any culpability with continued brainwash, apparently with great sucecess.
I am amused that you automatically assume that because of my "divergent" views I must be a Slovene. Ridy, e bin a Kotschebar obr e hob noech noit wergassn. E bin dort gban und bess noech bias gban ischt. Won bu kennascht due deinae Geschichtae. Von dan alten dia olle duerch Gehirnreinigung gschoebn barn? Auch kenne ich die Meinung der neuen Deutschen die ich auf meinen Geschaftssreisen in Europa kennen und respektieren lernte und zu Freunden machte. Alle erkennen die 12 Jahre Nazi Frist als eine abnormale Verzerrung der Deutschen Nation. Die Gottscheer sind leider noch nicht bereit sich von der Gehirnwaschung ihrer Nazi Leitung zu befreien. Tudi znam in razumem slovensko in imam dobre prijatelje U Sloveniji. Vse upajo do bodo Kocevari spet dobri in prijately poznanci.

My mother was a Slovene and I am proud to have that part sa part of my heritage. But then as a kid was persecuted for it during the Nazi period. I do not resent my tormentors for I know they knew not what they were doing. I resent, however, those in the VGL who are unrepentant and even to

- spider-te023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:35:52 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
egotistical to admit that they were fooled as they fooled their fellow Gottscheer. Remember, they were dismissed as soon as the Umsiedlung was accomplished. After the Umsiedlung we kids were forbidden to identify ourselves as Gottscheers and were told to speak only German in school and at home. The GZ was shut down. Gottscheer culture was to disappear as soon as possible. And the VGL knew all this.

Henry Stalzer, with his new found awareness deserves the truth. You are giving him only the VGL version. But the truth will surface sooner or late. Only those who have something to hide are afraid of it. And the VGL and their current friends are afraid.

- spider-te023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:46:50 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
to Henry Stalzer ~ I have a lot of material that deals with the resettlement. This info is from independent sources who have no ax to grind. I will gladly supply you and others with all my findings related to the true aspects of the resellement. If you wish, contact me at JTSCHIN413@ AOL.com
- spider-te023.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 04:51:55 (GMT)
Bernhard:
The author Hans Hermann Frensing wrote the book "Die Umsiedlung der Gottscheer Deutschen",in his final sentence of the book he wrote the following:Vielleicht hatte die Umsiedlung der Jahre 1941/42 jedoch bewirkt,dass die Chance des Ueberlebens in der "neuen Heimat" angesichts der ausserordentlich blutigen Partisanenkaempfe im alten Gottscheer Land groesser gewesen war;ebenso verhielt es sich mit der Flucht nach Oesterreich,die den meisten-oft nach vielen Leidenstationen-doch noch glueckte.He basically implies that because the Gottscheer people were resettled near to the Austrian border during the "Umsiedlung" many were able to survive by crossing the border after much hardship but had they stayed in Gottschee they would have been caught in the middle of the extraordinary bloody partisan battles.
- user-2iniidn.dialup.mindspring.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 07:15:07 (GMT)
Henry Stalzer:
To John Tschinkel
I would indeed be very interested in receiving your "resettlement" material, from independent sources. I will supply you with my mailng addrss by e-mail. And, thank you!

- 1Cust224.tnt1.har1.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 14:05:28 (GMT)
Heinrich Stalzer:
John! Your last sentence, below, seems unfinished, what where you going to say? .......................Henry
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My mother was a Slovene and I am proud to have that part sa part of my heritage. But then as a kid was persecuted for it during the Nazi period. I do not resent my tormentors for I know they knew not what they were doing. I resent, however, those in the VGL who are unrepentant and even to

- 1Cust59.tnt18.norwalk.ct.da.uu.net - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 14:36:02 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Mr. Tschinkel -
Please check back -- you will find that I did not make the assumption that you must be a Slovene --
To answer your question ~ I was born in Gottschee

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 15:33:49 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Henry, I am sure that a great deal of what is in the chat room is confusing. I would appreciate if you dropped me a line as well. I have only become aware of my Gottscheer heritage in the last three years so my perspective may be different than the others. My email is DocH301454@aol.com .
- spider-wg033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 18:50:54 (GMT)
Sophia:
Am looking for information on Lager Treffling near Spittal an der Drau in Kärnten, Austria. Am specifically interested in communicating with Gottscheers who lived there in 1945 and who may also have photos. I learned last week that this was the first DP camp in Kärnten in which my mother and I lived. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has knowledge. Write to me at wyants@mlecmn.net. DANKE!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 00:54:59 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Patricia: I laughed, when I read your comment about your oma and the gypsies. THat was my oma's favorite scare tactic with her kids and grandkids. The gypsies would come and get us and take us away! Boy that brings back memories.
However, we had never seen a gypsy, and the scare wore off.

- A010-0936.KSCY.splitrock.net - Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 02:16:22 (GMT)
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- spider-wm062.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 00:42:43 (GMT)
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- spider-wm062.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 00:42:46 (GMT)
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- spider-wm062.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 00:42:47 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Message to Ridy;

I apologize. As you suggested, I checked back. It was not "YOU" making the assumption that because of my "divergent" views I must be a Slovene.

If you check your message of 3/26 at 23.35.50, As I have, you will see right below the anonymous massage, asking me to admit that I am Sloovene. I seemed to me to be your continuation and I jumped the gun. For that I am sorry. My "deviation" normally leads many brainwashed Gottscheer to that conclusion.

It is sad that the person who made the comment did not have the honor and courage to give his name. But the call letters tell us who he is. He normally writes over "1 cust xxx tnt xx chiega xx.da.uu.net. You all can figure out who that is.

Below the anonimous words, Jim Heinemann sees vitriol in our differing Views. If anything I said resembles that, I am profoundly sorry and I apologize.

- spider-wm014.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 02:22:47 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Ridy:
I apologize. As you suggested, I checked back. It was not YOU making the assumption that because of my "divergent" views I must be a Slovene.

If you check your message of 3/25 at 23.35.50, as I have, you will see right below is the anonimous message, asking me to admit that I am Slovene. It seemed to me to be your continuation and I jumped the gun. For that I am sorry. My "deviation" normally leads brainwashed Gottscheer to that conclusion.

It is sad that the person who made the comment did not have the honor and courage to give "his" name. But the letters and numbers over which he sent his message tell us who he is. You all can figure out who it was.

Below the anonimous words, Jim Heinemann sees vitriol in our differing views. If anything I said resembles that, I am sincerely sorry and I apologize.

- spider-wm023.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 02:59:34 (GMT)
Linda Siegmund Boardman:
Hi, my name is Linda. My parent's, Richard Siegmund and Martha Petsche were born in Gottschee approx. 60 years ago. We all currently reside in the USA. My husband and I are making plans to travel to Europe this year for the first time and would like to include Slovenia in our travels. Can someone tell us the best method of travel from Ljubljana to Kocevje and the approx. distance? Since we only speak English, should we expect to have difficulty getting around? Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. Linda.Boardman@Home.Com
- proxy2-external.chnd1.az.home.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 04:42:21 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Linda:
There is a public bus from Ljubljana to Kocevje and back. Runs several times each day and stops along the way but not to frequently. Distance is about 70 km, about 44 miles. You will meet friendly people on the bus. The Slovene are very friendly people, especially to Gottscheer Americans.
Language will be no problem. If you need help, ask any 20 or so young person. They all speak English.
If you wish, rent a car. Avis and Hertz are in Ljubljana.
Use the internet to get info on everything you wish.
If you need help, e-mail me at JTschin413@aol.com. I know Slovenia well.


- spider-ti062.proxy.aol.com - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 14:57:05 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Thank you for your apology, Mr. Tschinkel.
If you would just tone down your rhetoric a few decibles, you will quickly see that you and I agree on most points about our Gottscheer history. The facts are one thing - opinions are another. The most important fact now is that the year is 2001 and we cannot go back and change what happened in 1941. While what happened back then affected our entire life, it affected several thousand Gottscheers as well as millions of others. We are never going to look back and see the facts in the same way, and to me it is not really important that we see them the same way. There are things about the past which simply cannot be changed, and playing the blame game all these many years later only makes the present very unpleasant for all of us and accomplishes nothing.
There are a constantly shrinking number of us left who were still born in Gottschee, and I am always delighted when I can share some of my memories with the younger generation, and I will continue to do that in various ways as long as I am able. Trust me on this -- the younger generation is not interested in laying blame for what happened to Gottscheers in 1941 to 1945, that's ancient history. They are, however, very interested in learning more about our common heritage. You and I are in a position to tell them about that heritage. Let's not waste the opportunity by playing one-upmanship. In future, let's choose our words carefully and accept the fact that we all have a right to our own opinions. I truly have no desire to enter into a verbal battle with you.

- 24.66.13.5 - Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 16:23:50 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Ridy: I am glad you accepted my apology about my mistaking, as yours, the comment that because of my "divergent" views I must be Slovene. I am not sure about the rest of the message which seems a lot like a lecture.
You are advising me to tone down my rhetoric a few decibels. But please take note that I was not shouting, but merly giving a perspective to Henry Stalzer that is different than yours. And your rhetoric to Henry required a reply because the perspectives that you verbalized to Henry are in line with that of those Gottscheer who keep defending the individuals responsible for the loss of our homeland and in the end our ethnic group. This kind of defense is continued brainwashing and will enter the minds of our descendants as truth unless it is countered with facts, not opinion. The countering is inportant especially since the blame is perpetually placed on the Slovene.
I wish you all to know that it is common tactic among the "Glaubigen" that the factual historic perspectives, layed out by the "divergent", countering the arguments by defenders of the rewritten history of the resettlement is terminated by saying "we must look forward and not back". But our history must not survive as the opinion of those who wish it to be written their way.
Ridy, it is not a question of blame. This is not what I am trying to do. I am, however, determined to continue to counter the veiling of the truth for the sake of truth itself and fairness for the Slovene. (Remember, part of me is Slovene and I loved both my motherand my father). For this I am threatened with lawsuits and submitted to verbal obuse by those who are afraid of the truth. Are you one of them?
You say "trust me on this - the younger generation is not interested in laying blame...". You are right in the blame part. But apart from that you are totally wrong. They want to know the REAL reasons why the Gottscheer left their homes in which th

- spider-mtc-tc044.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 03:10:42 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
they lived for 600 years for Slovene Lands. I have received numerous messages of encouragement mostly from the younger generation and urged not to let up. The canned answers they get from their elders are no longer enough. They have escaped.
I agree that "lets choose (BOTH OF US) our words carefully and accept the fact that we all have a right to ouw own opinion". For stating mine I am threatened with lawsuits and subjected with verbal obuse.
You tell them about your opinion about our heritage your way, it is your right. I will tell them mine. But I reserve to the right challenge any opinion with facts, even yours.
By the way, we have not yet heard from Henry Stalzer. I wonder what his perspectives are about the Nazi "ethnic cleansing of the Slovene from thesettlement area. Are the Gottscheer morally wrong in not apologizing to them???

- spider-mtc-tc044.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 03:27:26 (GMT)
Bernhard:
It is O.K. to have an opinion but one should not slander people who have dedicated their lives to writing and teaching about the Gottscheer culture.REPEAT :PLEASE STOP SLANDERING GOTTSCHEERS!
- user-2inig6a.dialup.mindspring.com - Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 04:33:06 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Bernhard is proving my point about brainwash.
- spider-mtc-tb024.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 12:50:29 (GMT)
Bernhard:
Maybe some brains with fixations about irreversible historic events should be washed,I guess there are certain proffesionals who could offer such a service.
- user-2inih89.dialup.mindspring.com - Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 14:43:30 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Angelika Gaeckle of the Hoerner Bank in Germany writes: This is to respectfully request your assistance in this matter. We would be most grateful if you could check your records with regard to the following issue of Anton Fink, born January 30, 1856 in Riegel, Gottschee and his wife, Gertrud Koening, born August 15, 1858:

Josephus born Feb. 12, 1882 in Riegel, deceased Nov. 11, 1906 in America;
Josepha, born May 5, 1884 in Riegel.
Maria, born December 19, 1888 in Riegel and
Helena, born May 3, 1891 in Riegel.

According to our information, the above named siblings of the decedent's father, Georg Fink, emigrated to America. Neither the time of emigration, nor their destination is known. The emigration must have been at the beginning of the 20th century.

Re-imbursement for expenses will be available. If you have information please e-mail: gaeckle@hoernerbank.de and/or Wyants@mlecmn.net. THANK YOU.


- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 23:24:30 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
John, I am from a generation removed from Gottschee and was born and raised in the United States. My mother was also born and raised here. I have no preconceptions or biases from the "old ones" since my grandparents never talked of Gottschee. From what I have read (including the informative text that you sent)and the history of the area, I firmly believe there was plenty of "blame" to go around including the Germans, the Slovenes, the partisans, the Gottscheers, the Italians and so forth. I do not believe that Ridy is trying to lay the blame on any specific group and I can not understand your interpretation of her messages. I am also somewhat at a loss because you can not or will not see that you and she are closer in agreement on many aspects than you realize.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 00:11:25 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I would also like to understand further what your interpretation of the minority rights issue is. What is it that the Gottscheers are seeking? Why do you feel that it is inappropriate? Does their seeking minority rights differ in some way from the minority rights that other minority rights have in Slovenia? The issues are not clear in my mind. If you are correct in your assertion that they should not seek minority status, what is it that you think should be done and why?
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 00:16:12 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Apologies for the typos in the prior message.
- spider-wf084.proxy.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 00:17:44 (GMT)
Patricia:
Hello, I Have recieved a package from Helen today with the Perz branch of my family and just had to share with all that have helped and encouraged me on this odessy. Helen was able to trace this branch back to Mathias Pertz b.1688 and his spouse Margaretha b.1686 both of Winkel And she feels there are still connections out there on this side. 2 names I am interested in hooking up with if anyone recognizes the names areAnna Kresse b. 6-21-1936 Riegel 8 to Mathias and Maria and Any of the children of Johann and Anna Konig of Hohenberg 18 childrens names were Frieda Erna Ernst Franz and Irma all born between 1925 and 1940 and possibly in the States now. I will post on GHGA as well.
- ip122.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 04:12:42 (GMT)
Patricia:
I have been reading with interest the ongoing debate?? As someone that had no idea of their heritage growing up, other than an Austro Hungarian connection I like Jim maybe have a different view than those closest to this discussion. I have do doubt that I have little to no information on this subject but am extremely interested in learning. I think that there must be a way to communicate without the current climate that has one side bristling and the other side hurt. Otherwise we continue on for the next generations the problems that caused the pass to happen. Ethnic differences and injustices have been forever and unfortunately will continue well past our generation. Everyone is intitled to ones opinion as stated but sometimes in the heat of a disagreement ones own thoughts can begin to sound so angry and full of hate towards others opinion's that no one wants to listen to the message that you may want to pass on. I think it is possible that both sides may be correct in many of their views. Also sometimes things that we percieve as children sometimes have roots in misunderstandings as well as prejudices that are passed on by those around us. Things that happened during the war should never be forgotten or excused away for only in remembering do we hope not to repeat the same errors but we cannot pass blanket blame on all either. I do not know how much blame we can pass on to a general populace that was for the most part apparently working just to survive. I would imagine that the majority had little time for debates and politics and quite possibly blindly followed the minority in leadership positions. That happens the world over even in places of higher education and more wealth,look at our internment of Japanese americans as an example. Mr. Tschinkel I would share with you the comments of a cousin I located during my search.. when I asked him if he could fill in the blanks on certain family members for me he said he had turned his back on his family and the heritage
- ip122.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 04:54:09 (GMT)
Patricia:
cont. that they could provide because they were always arguing and fighting about he past, the present and the future. One would disown the other for years over something said or percieved. He said that even when someone would be proven wrong in what they had done or said that not a one of them could ever say they were sorry or that they were wrong. He said who would want a heritage of people like that?? Well I have worked hard to find my heritage both the good and the bad and I am interested equally in your opinion and Ridy's also. However if you could speak softer we could hear your words at the moment all that is percieved is anger.
- ip122.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 05:04:34 (GMT)
Heinrich Stalzer:
THE WAR CRIME OF ETHNIC CLEANSING, GOTTSCHEE, 1940'S

Our debate concerning the expulson of the Gottsheers cannot come to a common focus unless,and untill,we first agree that there actualy was no option but to leave Slovenia, given that we were siting on STOLEN,OTHER PEOPLES,FARM LAND. Given that fact, our expulsion was the only just option, in fact, I shoulod ask,if Germany ever compensated the Slovenes for the actions of the Nazis which were not even in acordance with the Geneva Convention, and would be prosecuted under todays international law.

Its certainly not a question of blaim-bating, in any case its far too late for that. But, it will always be a case of fact,versus fiction.

The corretive step to heal all old woulds are very simple! All that is required is to admit the facts, then we can agree tha we have no individual guilt, but we sure as hell owe the Slovenes,kicked off of their land, an apology!

Not for their sake! For our sake! Ironicaly, most of them have already forgivnen us; but, before we can forgive ourselfs, we need to say WE ARE SORRY FOR THE INJUSTICES YOU HAD TO ENDURE, FOR OUR PRESUMED, AND FALSE, BENEFIT.

- 1Cust223.tnt5.har1.da.uu.net - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 16:40:48 (GMT)
HEINRICH STALZER:
I have assumed this name to create a dialog to prove that I am the only one who knows the truth everyone else is brainwashed remember only I know the truth.
- 207.159.233.155 - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 19:04:11 (GMT)
Birgit:
Hallo guten Abend zusammen.
- spider-fra-tc041.proxy.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 20:22:31 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Birgit, Welcome to the chat room!!!!!
- spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 21:39:03 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Greetings, I had just a few seconds to check in. Will be back some other time and hope to be able to contribute. This is becoming distressing.
- ACAB5833.ipt.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 23:35:17 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Herzlich Willkommen Birgit.
- ACAB5833.ipt.aol.com - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 23:36:48 (GMT)
Mary Peschel Thurman:
Now I was under the impression that most of the land the Gottscheers inhabited 600 years ago was mostly unsettled land. And that is one of the reasons the Austrians wanted it settled.
- spider-th014.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 00:14:51 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Mary: You are right on. This was my impression too. Both of us just can't be wrong or uninformed, can we? Help!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 00:35:45 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia: I am going to try to put together some photos of your Gottscheer villages. In order to save time would appreciate you mailing me your address. Please write me at wyants@mlecmn.net. Will try to get them out next week. Keep up the good work on your genealogy and enjoy. You come from good stock, proud, honest and hard working people.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 00:39:28 (GMT)
Sophia:
Received a telephone call late last evening from Germany informing that Mr. Ernst Stalzer, an Encyclopedia of Gottscheer history (as he was affectionately called), passed away unexpectedly yesterday morning near Munich. Mr. Stalzer was in Nesseltal and was 88 years of age. His funeral will be held next Tuesday in a suburb of Munich.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 00:49:39 (GMT)
:
Jim - I will reply to your 2 questions of Friday 3/30 in a few days. Both require a very serious answer.
- spider-wm034.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 03:40:57 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Jim Heimann - I will reply to your 2 questions of Friday March 30 in a few days. Both reuire a very serious answer.
- spider-wm034.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 03:42:37 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
John, Thank you.
- spider-ti081.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 04:16:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
John, Thank you.
- spider-ti081.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 04:19:17 (GMT)
Bernhard:
In this month's (April edition) of Natural History Magazine there is an article and photograph of the entomologist Walter R.Tschinkel.
- user-2inig2s.dialup.mindspring.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 06:51:58 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. John Tschinkel, friends and especially Ridy, I had trouble sleeping last night and sat down at this wonderful machine, went over the log of this heated discussion and found that I was the ghost writer. My deepest apologies. It was not cowardness, it was because I got bumped off and when I got back on I remissed to enter my name again. Please Ridy and John forgive me. John my statement you beeing slovene was not ment to be vicious or insulting. I have seen this many times before. If you would have identyfied your background I did not have to ask. Just to be perfectly clear and you know where I am coming from here is a bit of my background and I have some acurate memories. Allthough I was still a child as you must have been. Just so you know I don't hate slovenes and have absolutely no ax to grind. My father was a farmer like most Gottscheers, in the winter time he made wooden containres such as winebarrels waterestorage containers ect.,he also owned a sizeable forest in which he made charcoal brickets. All this he traded to neighboring slovenes. My sister had a bone problem in here knee and spent months in Novo Mesto in the Hospital and has fond memories of the care she received from slovene Doctors and Nurses. After the war in Austria she married a born slovene, a most gentle and wonderful person, she could not have found a better husband. My father had excellent relations with slovenes. My Sister and my Father speak and spoke ferfect slovene. Some of my fathers best friends were slovenes. A terrible wrong was done to the slovenes that had to make room for us at the resettlement. Once we were resettled, many, not all slovenes blamed us for the mess and many joined the Titos partisans. There is not enough time and room here for me to bring example. One would be a Adolf Mausser Ed and Mary Krockers cousin who lives here in the states now. One night the partisans came captored him, pumped seven bullets i
- 1Cust2.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 11:51:25 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
into his body and left him for dead. I am sure he does not blame all the slovenes for taht. I could go on and on. The slovenes bamed us for the resettlement. I have rad a lot about this chapter in Europe's history. This is my take as far as I can sumaerize: The entire mess started when the the (Serb) assassinated the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo in 1914. I will not go into the reason. The Austrians declared war on Serbia and as always their Russian friends came to their help and we know both sided received further allies. As we know Austria lost and the allies disected Austria and Germany and created a new slavic country which they named yugoslavia and Gottschee happened to be part of it. The Gottscheer/Slovener frictions started when the then powerbrokers in Lubljana decided to erace the Grman language. they first closed the higher educational german speaking schools imposed the slavic language in the schools, replaced the local priest with slovene priests wherever the opportunity arose. John this is the timeperiod when the so called "Rotzbuben" found their breeding ground. exactly like a despot by the name of Hitler ,after beeing expelled from Austria, found breeding ground in Germany because the allies boycotted the Grman and Austrian economy. By the way, that was a great contributor to the GREAT DEPRESSION. John, as you can see one can not be so narrow minded. We on the Plauderzimmer have no interest to fight the political battles of the past and everyone could bring what he thinks is his correct view. I agree with Arnold Rom from Sunday....Alle Menschen werden Brueder......I am reaching out for your hand, peace. It is up to you to take my hand.
- 1Cust75.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 12:17:16 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Please forgive me for my typos, I am a novice.
- 1Cust75.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 12:18:47 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, I am glad that you took the time to write your message. I did not take the lack of name as anything more than an oversight. Very nice and balanced message. There is enough blame to go around as many of us have said before. It is now time to put it to bed with respect to past history. I have never believed in "cultural" guilt. I try to understand as clearly as I can from a historical standpoint and then move on. We should not hesitate to "step" in if someone tries to damn either the Slovenes or the Gottscheers but we can not change what happened in the past. Rather we should preserve the good in the past, realize the bad, and vow to make the future better. Making the future better is the goal that we should be striving for.
- spider-wq043.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 12:55:42 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Wiser individuals than us have tried to come up with solutions to the problems associated with ethnic hatreds in the Balkans to no avail. It is a complex area with complex economic, cultural, and religious issues compounded by a turbulent past and war torn present. Aside from discussions which we should have in the spirit of friends and family, there will be no solving of the issue.
- spider-wq043.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 13:00:41 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, Amen.
- 1Cust33.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 13:07:25 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Greetings fellow Gottscheers!

I have always believed that information should be exchanged freely, whether on the Internet, the Plauderzimmer in specific, or in our daily dealings. To that end, may I give you some information that may help you weigh the authenticity of any particular poster.

You may notice underneath each posting is a string that identifies the domain and host of the poster. If, for instance, you see the string "207.159.xxx.xxx", public DNS information tells us that this address belongs to the Queensboro Public Library, meaning that the poster is posting from a system that may be considered somewhat anonymous.

Of course there is nothing wrong with using an Internet terminal at the library. Keep in mind that this connection generally cannot be traced back to an individual user the way your ISP or corporate administrator can.

Have a great weekend everyone.

- dap-209-114-157-159.pri.tnt-3.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 14:21:42 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Franz ~
You did not offend me and you don't need to ask my forgiveness. I value your friendship and your insight. The Plauderzimmer has been a goldmine of information and new contacts and friendships for me, and I will continue to look forward to our Sunday evening visits.
As always, Jim, thanks for your calming words.

- 24.66.13.5 - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 14:36:51 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
Dear Franz Mausser ~ I not only give you my hand, I give you both my hands and a hug. We are truly brothers.

I now fully accept your explanation that the message without your name was an accident. It has happened to me. For admitting it you are a prince.

With your background, you will understand why I am sensitive. My mother, a most sensitive and loving woman married into a Gottscheer village where, especially in the later 30's she was called with disdain a kroinarin. I was called by the village boys and their elders as the kroinar. I was beaten and persecutes because of that. As you know, this term was used in the most deragatory way because the "Rotzbuben" made hatred of the Slovene the centerpiece of their propaganda to get the Gottscheer to accept the resettlement.

Unfortunately, the "Rotzbuben" are still controlling Gottscheer politics. Confrontation with Slovenia is again the centerpiece for rallying the Gottscheer. The Altsiedler Minority issue is part of this. Keep in mind that today, the same "Rotzbuben" are "Honored Members" and "Cultural Advisers" under the AG. Gril, the leader of the Altsiedler travelles way to Germany to attend sessions with Lampeter and Lackner the top leaders of the VGL to formulate policy toward Slovenia. This was even reported in the GZ.

I know for a fact that the great majority of the Gottscheer Slovene DO NOT WANT minority status. Quest for MR was developed by Gril jointly with the "Rotzbuben", now the "Senilenbuben". When it was announced to the membership, many, including Hans Jacklitsch, the founding leaders of what was to be only a culurural association, resigned. (Actually, Jacklisch was pushed out because he he resisted towing the line. Pfarrer Joseph Eppich, the Editor of the GZ was replaced by Herbert Erker in 1938 because he also did not fall in line). Wehen it became known that the "Rotzbuben" are again inv

- spider-mtc-ta023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 15:58:09 (GMT)
Franz:
Thanks Helmuth, again I had no intention of hiding.
- ACA59FC8.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 15:59:51 (GMT)
Franz:
John I understand your anguish. Believe me attention like yours they search for. That keeps them going. Just look some of the organization in this country. I would ignore them and not feed their ego. Maybe I think to simple.
- ACA59FC8.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:07:19 (GMT)
Franz:
John I understand your anguish. Believe me attention like yours they search for. That keeps them going. Just look some of the organization in this country. I would ignore them and not feed their ego. Maybe I think to simple.
- ACA59FC8.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:07:59 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I agree. Today I am going to meet again a childhood friend from Komutzen, and in our Sunday Plauderzimmer I have been able to locate him, Ed & Mary Krocker.
- ACA59FC8.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:16:18 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I agree. Today I am going to meet again a childhood friend from Komutzen, and in our Sunday Plauderzimmer I have been able to locate him, Ed & Mary Krocker.
- ACA59FC8.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:16:16 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Franz (continued): involved in their affairs, the membership started to leave in droves.
There is no healing in this antagonism. How would you react as a Slovene if you learn that the AG is doing all it can to keep Slovenia out of the EU unless it grants minority rights to 50 people (who, except their leader don't want it anyway). This is not a policy of reconciliation; quite the opposite.

The AG has lobbied with many of the Leaders in Germany and Austria. These leaders are not sympathetic to the request seeing that it is impossible and knowing that this Haider sponsored coersion implies perptrated antagonism. coersion. Listen to Helmut Schaefer, the German Foreugn Minister in 1995: "The Slovenia of today is a democratic, toward Europe oriented State. Due to this fact, those Gottscheer Associations in Slovenia listed by you are are fully in a position to excersize their traditions and customs even without Minority Status"

Yet the AG persists. In this persistance the antagonism between the Gottscheer and the Slovine is again on the downward spiral and is detined to the perpetuation of the never ending cycle of hatred.

- spider-mtc-ta023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:23:10 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Franz (cont'd); To the Gottscheer worldwide, not having an awareness of the politics (now and then) the AG request for minority rights seems appropriate. After all, we would all like to restore what we lost. But with an open minded review of what is requested by the AG it is easy to see that the coercive demands will not restore the past but onley perpetuate the hatred between the two groups.
I firmy believe that it would be far better to dump the "Senilbuben" and work with the Slovene and the Slovene government to get the best possible for those who stayed. Even the US government would help, via the Cultural Agreement signed between the two states. But not as long as the former Nazi's are in the act. High ranking US officials have told me that.

- spider-mtc-ta023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:36:28 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Franz, (cont'd): But the Gottscheer world wide is not aware of the nuances of AG politics. ( Just as the average Gottscheer past 1938 was aware). The intelectuals and the priest knew but they were rapidly neutralized. Even Viktor Michitsche's father resisted, but he was dealt with and ostracised. Viktor has long since been converted to the cause. Please keep in mind that the Gottscheer have had no perspective of our politics since 1938 other than the perspective of the VGL.
- spider-mtc-ta023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:43:03 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Franz, (cont'd): All perspectives on Gottacheer issues have come our way via the GZ and the leadership in the AG since 1938. The VGA took the dissemination of information over from Joseph Eppich in 1838. The new editor was Herbert Erker an intimate of Lampeter and Lackner until the paper was closed by the Nazi's in 1941. After the GZ was resumed in Klagenfurt in 1955(?) it was, for a short time edited by Fritz Hoegler. He was austed because he wanted to keep the paper non-political according to its Charter. He was replaced by "HeRBERT ERKER" the editor under Lampeter/Lackner. After he died, the editor became Ludwig Kren, an intimate of Erker and friend of Lampeter/Lackner. Noe the paper is now led by Hans Stritzl, an extreme right winger and friend of Haider. Have we been brainwashed???
- spider-mtc-ta023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 16:54:55 (GMT)
John Tschinkel:
To Franz, (cont'd): The present day Gottscheer leadership again does not allow dissent. It allows no differing opinion from entering our awareness. To one of my responses Viktor Michitsch, the head of the AG replied with 18 cursewords a promise of a lawsuit unless I desist. The AG tried to block my translation of Frensings book as it tried to prevent its original publication. I offered the translation to the GHGA but my offer was rejected. (Not surprising for a member of the AG)
I have no desire to fix blame. I would just as soon let the issue be shelved. What drives me on, however, is the fact that the same individuals are again shaping our future. Unless we expose them they will continue. If we let them, we will indeed wind up on the dustbin of history as one gullible and stupid lot. By facing our past we are not disloyal to our roots. To the contrary, unless we are honest, we will have forsaken both our honor and the truth. The Gottscheer heritage deseves better than that.

- spider-mtc-ta023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 17:16:28 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
John, am I correct in assuming that this is your answer to my question about the minority rights issue? If so, I still have some questions. Why are they seeking this minority status if it confers no specific advantage to them? What does the minority status give them as there must be something in it for them to pursue it? What did the other minorities gain from getting this status? There must be something but noone has articulated what it is. If there wasn't anything of importance in the minority status issue--- the one side wouldn't want it and the other side would not care if they got it.
- spider-wq083.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 18:52:05 (GMT)
Birgit:
Good afternoon Franz Mausser and the ather.
The Gottscheer chat room it's beautiful. My interested it's great.Excuse me,my English is not good.German it's
better for me.My grandmather was born in Gottschee.Franz
is the Cousin from my father.

- spider-fra-tb023.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 19:32:12 (GMT)
Franz:
Birgit, gruess Dich Gott. Es freut mich zu wissen welche Birgit Du bist. Bitte bestelle Herzliche Gruesse an alle. Wie bist Du auf die Plauderstunde gekommen? Oh, ja wohl durch Adalbert?
- ACA8E91D.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 20:05:25 (GMT)
Franz:
Birgit, gruess Dich Gott. Es freut mich zu wissen welche Birgit Du bist. Bitte bestelle Herzliche Gruesse an alle. Wie bist Du auf die Plauderstunde gekommen? Oh, ja wohl durch Adalbert?
- ACA8E91D.ipt.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 20:05:27 (GMT)
Birgit:
Hallo Franz,Ada war gestern bei mir und wir haben beide herein geschaut. Ich wußte schon lange davon,Ada wollte sich aber nicht einklicken. Ich finde es ganz toll,wie klein doch die Welt ist.Wie geht es Euch? Der Adolf Kraker
aus Californien war letztes Jahr bei uns.Er weiß bestimmt
auch nicht's vom Plauderzimmer.Er ist am 18.03.01 60Jahre
geworden.Ich wollte Euch schon lange schreiben.Du weißt ja
wie es so geht,die Zeit rennt davon.

- spider-fra-tc062.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 20:27:20 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Congratulations Franz and Birgit. How wonderful that you were able to make your connection for all of us to enjoy. Keep it going and continue to contribute to this great communication arena.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 20:52:16 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia Thank you so much for your continued help I am sending my address
- ip150.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 01:52:03 (GMT)
:
I dont know who wrote this, below. Whoever you are, identify youself, or be silent! Heinrich Stalzer (baselj)

HEINRICH STALZER:
I have assumed this name to create a dialog to prove that I am the only one who knows the truth everyone else is brainwashed remember only I know the truth.
- 207.159.233.155 - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 19:04:11 (GMT)

- 1Cust28.tnt6.har1.da.uu.net - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 03:22:29 (GMT)
Heinrich Stalzer:
I dont know who wrote this, below. Whoever you are, identify youself, or be silent! Heinrich Stalzer (baselj)

HEINRICH STALZER:
I have assumed this name to create a dialog to prove that I am the only one who knows the truth everyone else is brainwashed remember only I know the truth.
- 207.159.233.155 - Friday, March 30, 2001 at 19:04:11 (GMT)

- 1Cust167.tnt4.har1.da.uu.net - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 03:36:06 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Heinrich, please see my post that follows.
- dap-209-114-157-95.pri.tnt-2.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 17:44:15 (GMT)
Helmuth:
Gottscheers, following is a repost of my earlier entry with some additional information.

I have always believed that information should be exchanged freely, whether on the Internet, the Plauderzimmer in specific, or in our daily dealings. To that end, may I give you some information that may help you weigh the authenticity of any particular poster.

You may notice underneath each posting is a string that identifies the domain and host of the poster. If, for instance, you see the string "207.159.xxx.xxx", public DNS information tells us that this address belongs to the Queensboro Public Library, meaning that the poster is posting from a system that may be considered somewhat anonymous.

Of course there is nothing wrong with using an Internet terminal at the library. Keep in mind that this connection generally cannot be traced back to an individual user the way your ISP or corporate administrator can.

As I said, domain name information is public. If you are interested in knowing domain information based on any IP address, the lookup can be easily done at this URL (among others):
http://www.amnesi.com/hostinfo/ipinfo.jhtml

As far as neglecting to put in your name, that is an honest mistake and, as previous posters have noted, you can usually figure out who it is.
- dap-209-114-157-95.pri.tnt-2.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 17:46:20 (GMT)
Helmuth:
What I'm saying to everyone is, the best way to combat posts that are not from who they say they are (this one was particularly obvious) is to use the information available to us. DNS information and the Plauderzimmer logs, for instance, are such sources. Then you can make a judgement as to the authenticity of a poster and whether we should engage them or not.

My recommendation for obvious phonies is to ignore them. Deal with such individuals just as you would if you passed them on the street...walk faster and carry on with your business.

- dap-209-114-157-95.pri.tnt-2.pgh.pa.stargate.net - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 18:06:19 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!
- dialup-64.158.25.53.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:00:25 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
Greetings from Minnesota everyone. It continues to be dreary, drab and rainy here. Very frustrating after 8 days with no sunshine.

Welcome Eduard Stalzer. Always great to see another Stalzer participating.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:22:52 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. ANd a special hello to Eddie Stalzer. Long time no email from you. Hope you, Krista, and Nancy are well. Hear from your mom regularly.
- A010-1163.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:28:28 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. It was a beautiful sunny day in Colorado.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:30:07 (GMT)
Sophia Stalzer-Wyant:
OK Eduard Stalzer. This inquisitive mind needs to know where, in Gottschee, you hail from. Again, Welcome. Hi Marilu and Margaret.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:33:19 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Hi, Sophia. We are regular emailers to one another now. I think I'll log off. Things are getting pretty heavy again. Wish I could chat with Eddie a little more.
- A010-1163.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:34:37 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
So where is everyone else tonite?
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:39:17 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Marilu: Thought I would log off because no one was on. Slow night, I guess. Eddie, are you still out there?
- A010-1163.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:42:26 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Everyone must of forgot to move their clocks ahead last nite!
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:43:08 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hi, is anyone hanging around tonight?
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:44:05 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there,
Just got home from North Carolina. Anyone around?

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:45:34 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
HI Jim not much going on here yet. I thought after all the chat all week, it would be busy tonite.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:45:37 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Holly
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:46:03 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
hi, Holly and Marilu. Just got back from dinner.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:46:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I thought it might be a tad bit quieter than last week as people catch a breather. It has been an interesting week with postings.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:47:01 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hello!
Nice to see everyone back in the Plauderzimmer! How was the party, Jim? And the wedding, Holly?

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:47:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Jim and Holly: I'm here, but getting ready to say good night. Husband had carpel tunnel surgery on left wrist lst Friday. I'm doing the Florence Nightengale bit.
- A010-1163.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:48:06 (GMT)
Franz:
Well , well, brave souls, you dared to log on.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:48:48 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Dr. Jim and Holly. Hope you are both doing well. I am hoping to learn more about the Gottscheer minority issue that has debated earlier in the week. As I said before if anyone knows the specific language involved in this document I would appreciate someone sharing it with the rest of us. Can anybody help? Thank you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:49:44 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Oh, hi there everyone,
I just posted then started to check previous messages and saw I have missed quite a bit. so I will be reading a looong time.

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:49:56 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: THis is too heavy for me. I'm too far removed from the history of the dispute. Excuse me for saying auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- A010-1163.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:50:18 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, you are not chicken out, are you?
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:51:29 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Ridy. How is the world treating you? And Franz Mausser, how are you doing?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:51:59 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, healthy discussion is no cause for concern. We can always agree to disagree and get on with life. Holly, welcome back.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:52:59 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Good night Margaret,
Want to tell everyone that we had a great time. It took about 10 hours to get there. that was with about 3 stops. Our daughter, son-in-law and 2 grandchildren followed us there, so it was quite a trip with 2 little ones(we had Rudy's parents with us. all things considered, it went quite well. It was not a Gottscheer wedding since this was the other side of the family but a great time was had by all.

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:54:05 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Margaret, don't let the discussions discourage you. These issues have been plaguing the Balkans for an eternity and we are not going to settle it. Continue to contribute in those areas that are in your comfort level.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:54:21 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, I am not certain what is bothering people.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:54:46 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!

- dialup-209.245.98.155.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:54:48 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, did you send an email zip file? I haven't opened it yet.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:54:50 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Well, I understand a LITTLE bit better now what the discussion has been about.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:55:22 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Oh faint-hearts,
It is good for the blood to hear these things. It only makes me ask Aurelia more about those times.

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:55:32 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Hello, cousin Eduard. How are things in New England?
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:55:51 (GMT)
Ridy:
The world is treating me OK, Trixie . . . but I'm still searching for the Slovenian name of Puschendorf and Zirkle. I'm fairly certain that Zirkle is Cerklje (near Brezice) but for the life of me I can't figure out which village near it would be what we called Puschendorf. Help!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:56:02 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Jim, still waiting for the snow to melt!
- dialup-209.245.98.155.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:57:05 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim: If I did send you a zip file I don't know it. Remember, I consider myself pretty much a novice on the computer. Zip file sounds pretty complicated.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:57:16 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there Eduard.
Ridy, that stuff can be so troublesome. It is probably like Eichbuchel is Untersteinwand.Not many people know that but the ones that were born there.
So everyone, start asking relatives.

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:59:20 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, you send them all the time. This was titled First Report-Roots --- Is that familiar?
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:59:32 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy: I know I have heard the name Puschendorf but where? I am positive someone will be able to help.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 01:59:34 (GMT)
Franz:
Ed & Mary are you listening in? Yes Josef Tramposch his Daughter and Wife stopped by, we had a wonderful two hours gettogether and promised many repeats.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:00:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
I think I have had enough of snow. It has been the cloudiest winter in a long time and the snow has been followed by rain.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:00:31 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Oh Jim,
isn't that what we consider to be attachments? or is that something else?

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:01:07 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Hello Holly.
Jim, We had 8-10 in Friday, and expect to get more on Monday. Days like this, I miss Florida!

- dialup-209.245.98.155.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:02:25 (GMT)
Ridy:
I'm waiting to hear what a 'zip' is -- I usually think of it as something I have to replace when I gain too much weight!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:02:54 (GMT)
Franz:
Nothing can frustrate me more then a ZIP.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:03:58 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy, my kind of sense of humor too. Keep it coming.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:04:05 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
A zip file is when two or more files are sent in the same attachment.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:04:22 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:


- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:04:32 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
that was going to be a censored comment to Ridy!
- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:05:01 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
A zip file is a file that compresses the data so that it will travel by email faster. When you get it, your computer will Unzip it and all the information will be there. It can be sent as an email attachment.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:05:16 (GMT)
Ridy:
Thanks, Marilu -- your kind of language I can understand.
Wish you were around to translate when I'm being lectured by my son!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:05:30 (GMT)
Sophia:
Sorry folks, but I am still a novice. Marilu are you saying that if I sent an e-mail and add 2 or 3 photos at the end, it becomes a zip file?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:05:45 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yep Jim sometimes it is a large file that has been compressed to travel faster.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:06:37 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, did you send any type of file that said First Report- Roots in the title? If not, I will delete it.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:06:38 (GMT)
Ridy:
Holly ~
haven't seen any photos of the grandkids in a long while. . .
send!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:07:01 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes Sophia that is what happens
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:07:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I am sorry, the photo I had in mind to mail was taken by a fellow from Komutzen. I will stop at the photoshop tomorrow morning and have more copies made. Please don't give up on me.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:07:05 (GMT)
Sophia:
Yes I did. Enjoy!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:07:18 (GMT)
Eduard Stalzer:
Got to go now. Tomorrow comes to soon. Goodnight all.
- dialup-209.245.98.155.Manchester1.Level3.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:09:02 (GMT)
Sophia:
Sorry Franz, I don't give up that easy on ANYBODY. Sooner or later it will come and it will bring joy to my day. I say DANKE SCHÖN.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:09:05 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
It took me a long time to figure out I could send more than one picture at a time. We all learn something new every day. lolol
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:10:05 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ridy,
Will send those pics of the children soon. They are getting so big. Noelle will be 1 soon.

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:10:38 (GMT)
Ridy:
Thanks Holly!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:11:42 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
Hello, Dad! How are you doing? Recovered from schussing?
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:11:51 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Ridy,
Is Chris coming home soon or is he already back?

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:12:48 (GMT)
Franz:
Hi Christine, where were you hiding. Yes it was delightful schussing, only wish you would have come with us. How is schussing in Taos these days?
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:14:08 (GMT)
Ridy:
Sorry - having trouble with the computer again this evening - something isn't right with Netscape it seems. . .
Have a good week everybody, and I'll see you next Sunday~

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:14:10 (GMT)
Ridy:
Holly - Christopher is now officially back in Toronto--at least until after Easter!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:15:18 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz, did you have any luck trying to contact Adolf Rom of the Chicago Gottscheer organization?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:15:25 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
take care Ridy,
I also need to check the rest of my e-mails. jim, I owe you one. Glad I caught everyone still on line. Thinking of you!

- ashdial-234.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:15:35 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
bye Ridy
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:15:57 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, still on my agenda.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:16:18 (GMT)
Sophia:
Holly - Best wishes to you and your husband. Take care of yourself too.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:16:35 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Bye Holly
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:17:11 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, are we going to see you at Easter?
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:17:36 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
It's very warm - late, late spring weather!
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:18:26 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Bye, Holly and Ridy.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:19:44 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
I may try to squeeze in one more day of skiing.
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:20:38 (GMT)
Franz:
Marilu, how is the weather in Canon City?
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:21:31 (GMT)
Franz:
I am glad to see Jim is still in town.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:22:23 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz it was absolutely beautiful today. Sunshine and no wind. Nice and warm. We worked in the yard and flower beds yesterday.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:23:14 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
The flowering bushes and trees are starting to bloom already.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:23:58 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
Dad, you better not go digging in the gardens this year! Just take a year off!!!
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:24:23 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
Dad, have you tried accupuncuture for your back? It may help!
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:25:07 (GMT)
Franz:
Marilu, good for you , we are still in the 30 to 40 degree weather and still have snowpatches in the backyard.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:25:13 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz when are you coming to Colorado?
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:26:14 (GMT)
Franz:
Christine, you sound like your mother. You should have seen her on the skitrip. No don,t do this don't do that, don,t lift that suitcase, etc., etc.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:27:29 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
Don't say that! I'm just concerned-I want you to be skiing for another 30 years!!!
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:28:27 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Franz, just peeking in and out. Trimming some double names from the file. The ground is much too wet to even think about working it. We need several sunny and warm days to dry things up.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:29:10 (GMT)
Franz:
Marilu, we have our anual meeting on the weekend of July 21, at the same time Custer County has their stampede and Rodeo. I hope I can make it this time.
- 2Cust58.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:29:19 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Backs are odd structures. You can ski and lift heavy weights without any problem and then you can hurt it by bending over to lift a twig.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:30:31 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz, I hope to meet you then because I will be at the Annual meeting. It is so close to me, I can't miss it.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:31:17 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
I saw a special on PBS with Christopher Reeve, and the research on the spinal cord is amazing. They are finding that there is some kind of "memory" in the spinal cord, and they are stressing leg movement for paralyzed people!
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:32:47 (GMT)
Christine Mausser:
Dad, I have to go for now. I'll email you later. Bye
- sdn-ar-003nmalbuP109.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:34:24 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Saw a posting from 1998 on the visitor's site. It mentioned a book titled " Gottschee: The Resettlement Years " by E.M.Krauland. Is anyone familiar with that book??

- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:34:47 (GMT)
Sophia:
It is an excellent book. Edeltraud lives in New York. She writes about life in Gottschee, the Umsiedlung and the rest. Just give her a call.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:36:16 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, can you email me her address and/or email?
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:42:33 (GMT)
Sophia:
Will do. Gladly.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:43:20 (GMT)
Franz:
Jim, Sophia, Marilu, Good Night and a pleasant week to all.
- 1Cust128.tnt10.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:45:18 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
It looks like everyone is winding down, so will say goodnight to all.
- spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:45:49 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim: Here it is:
Edeltraud Krauland Kneier
68 - 23 64th St.
Ridgewood NY 11385-5245
1-718-381-8916
NO E-MAIL

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:46:37 (GMT)
Sophia:
Thanks Franz. Wish you all a great week.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:49:24 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Trix, thank you for the address. To all others, a good night and a good week.
- spider-th064.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 02:51:54 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Hi there everyone,
I just wanted to encourage everyone to join the Gottschee Heritage Society. this month they have an article on "The Fate of the German Longuistic Island of Gottschee After the Resettlement of the Gottscheers" written by Mitja Ferenc.


- ashdial-172.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 16:10:13 (GMT)
:
sorry for the typo.
"The Fate of the German Linguistic Island of Gottschee After the Resettlement of the Gottscheers.

- ashdial-172.suite224.net - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 16:12:34 (GMT)
Sophia:
Holly: Thanks for your words of support. It was a great article by Mitja Ferenc and Max Mische wasn't it? I agree, we invite all who are interested to join the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. (GHGA).
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 22:41:00 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
Sophie,
I agree with you about that. And the article about Morobitz written by Martha Hutter was wonderful too.

- ashdial-113.suite224.net - Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 11:10:29 (GMT)
Sophia:
Absolutely correct, Holly. Martha is a marvelous writer and we are extremely lucky to have her in our midst. Have a great day.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 15:50:11 (GMT)
Patricia:
Your e-mail was returned I must have had it wrong could you give it to me again Thanks Patrcia ntvimage@earthlink.net
- ip43.sacramento9.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 22:33:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Patricia, whose email address?? Was it mine?
- spider-mtc-tj043.proxy.aol.com - Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 19:44:27 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Hi Friends, just want to let you know we unseated our City Mayor who has given me and others a lot of trouble. I convinced someone who never held any public office befor but has guts, tor run for the position. The old mayor was
going for his fourth term. As it goes, power corrupts. My guy won by 16 votes. Who says you can not fight City Hall?

- 1Cust45.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Friday, April 06, 2001 at 11:22:23 (GMT)
Ridy:
Hi Franz!
Have they started the recount yet?
I hear there are a lot of people down in Florida with a lot of experience in recounts!

- 24.66.13.5 - Friday, April 06, 2001 at 17:50:23 (GMT)
franz:
Hi Ridy, as a matter of fact he stated to the press he will ask for it. My guy countered: If he wants to be Al Gore of Barrington, go right ahead. It went over big time.
- AC9F1622.ipt.aol.com - Friday, April 06, 2001 at 19:07:22 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sorry about that last message it is Sophia's e-mail I needed Thanks
- ip169.sacramento13.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Friday, April 06, 2001 at 19:49:23 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Patricia: Here it is: Wyants@mlecmn.net. Have a good weekend.

Franz: Way to go. Another Gottscheer in the political arena. Good for you.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Friday, April 06, 2001 at 22:39:30 (GMT)
Holly Leers Droese:
congrats to you Franz,
for being a political advisor. Watch out world. !

- ashdial-98.suite224.net - Saturday, April 07, 2001 at 11:35:33 (GMT)
Fred:
All the stories in the latest issue were very interesting
but the one of MOROBITZ I can identify with. Never got to the Krempe. As close I ever got was the Stalzer Berg the road from Lienfeld. A great job Martha Hutter

- spider-we072.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, April 07, 2001 at 12:45:47 (GMT)
Patricia:
Hello everyone, is anyone out there?? I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the village Winkle. Where is it in relation to Hohenberg, Altlag
- ip82.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:09:15 (GMT)
Patricia:
oops accidently sent before I was ready; it must be on my map I am probably just being blind. Also if anyone knows what size it was and is it still in existance?
- ip82.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:11:22 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Wie geht es Allen? Hope everyone is well.
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:16:06 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Patricia. Winkel is straight south of Altlag. So, if you find that village on your Gottscheer map go straight south.Hohenberg is a very short distance from Winkel to the northeast. Neither village is in existance although the remains (walls) of the former church of Holy Petrus and Paulus are on the agenda for preservation this year. The work is being done under the auspices of the Peter Kosler Gottscheer Verein in Laibach (Ljubljana). Erik Krisch is the Prsident.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:18:06 (GMT)
Sophia:
Alles geht gut Margaret und wie geht es bei Euch? Und Deinen Mann?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:18:49 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia:
Alles geht gut mit Larry. We leave Wednesday for Fargo. Gets the stitches out Tuesday. Thanks you for your concern.

- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:21:45 (GMT)
fred:
Trix. Paul contacted me for the house numers City Gottschee
all I know The Schloss was # 1

- spider-tm052.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:22:10 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Eddie: Are you on tonight? Cousin Margie here.
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:25:55 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: Please translate "wie geht es bei Euch" I want to put it in my book of handy German phrases. Thanks
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:28:46 (GMT)
Sophia:
It means: how is everything with you (plural). Have a great trip to Fargo and a wonderful holiday too.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:31:29 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Guten Abend Alle.
- 1Cust17.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:32:05 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: Thanks again. I heard the phrase,"sleep well and dream of sour pickles" Can you help me with that one?
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:32:28 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Guten Abend Alle.
- 1Cust17.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:36:39 (GMT)
Patricia:
Thank you Sophia, Helen sent me an article on the preservation efforts there, it was most interesting, although a bit sad to know there are only ruins left. I am currently transcribing all of Helens findings onto a chart, I still can hardly believe I can view nine generations. Back to the 1680's. She is currently on the hunt for my mysterious great-grandfather I think if anyone can find him it must be Helen. I told her what a treasure this is as with having 3 of my childrens great-great grandparents growing up in orphanges there would have been no heritage to pass on. I had both great-grandparents being of german descent and losing all traces of the language and traditions within just one generation so this is just a great thing to me.
- ip82.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:37:50 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Who sent me the picture of the bridge in a city in Gottschee. My Tante Leni and her neighbors really enjoyed seeing it and sharing memories. Sorry I forgot who was so kind to share it with me.
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:39:57 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret, I am afraid I can't help you with that one. Never heard of it. Franz, Ridy, Fred - how about it? You ever dream of pickles?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:41:34 (GMT)
Sophia:
Franz: How goes it? Nasty weather your way? At least that's what I thought I heard on the news. I am hoping the clouds are out of here and soon too. We need sunshine to dry the nasty township roads.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:43:28 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, just the opposit. We had Yesterday in the 80ies and today in the 70ies, just beautyful. Cleaned my patio and deck and put all the patio and deckfurniture out.
- 1Cust17.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:49:26 (GMT)
Greg Shemitz (Schemitsch):
Greetings! Just wondering if anyone in this room is familiar with my father, Joseph Shemitz of Ridgewood.
- 126.white-plains-01rh16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:49:59 (GMT)
Sophia:
Received a request a couple of days ago where a man is looking for a Ferdinand Luscher, a Gottscheer, who lived and died in Pasadena, California. It is my understanding that he had two daughters. Can anyone help with this? If you can please mail me at wyants@mlecmn.net. Thank you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:51:27 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Must go. Auf wiedersehen. Blleib gesund. Happy Easter. Don't know how to say that in German.
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:51:53 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, there is a phrase: schlaf gut und traeume suess von sauren gurken. Sleep well and have sweet dream about sour pickles.
- 1Cust17.tnt6.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:52:31 (GMT)
Christine:
Dad, is that where that came from?
- sdn-ar-004nmalbuP272.dialsprint.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:54:03 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Franz: Danke
- A020-0621.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:54:29 (GMT)
Sophia:
Margaret: Frohe Ostern!
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 01:55:41 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Good evening to everyone.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:03:11 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello everyone!
Franz: We told Eric Kraker at our get-together today about your reunion with the Trampusch family and he was pleased. He said he received a Christmas card from one of the brothers and a nice note.
Hope all of you have a happy Easter!

- mod5.new-philly.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:03:49 (GMT)
Jim:
Hi, Ed & Mary. How are you doing?
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:07:55 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Dr. Jim and Ed and Mary. How goes it? Are we all on good b behavior because it is Holy Week?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:11:15 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello Jim!
We are fine and the weather has been nice and warm here _ almost too warm. Our grandkids are busy with track and baseball and we try to take in some of their events. Hope you and your family are fine and have a nice Easter.

- mod5.new-philly.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:11:45 (GMT)
patricia:
So what were the traditions surrounding Easter for the gottscheers???
- ip82.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:13:48 (GMT)
Jim:
I guess we are getting that weather tomorrow. It has been cool and rainy. How is your son in law doing mit der Steinstrasse?
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:17:51 (GMT)
Jim:
Patricia, there are some traditions,however, I am not that familiar with them. Maybe Ridy, Sophia, Franz, or Fred may be able to help.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:19:28 (GMT)
:
Ist doch jemand da im Zimmer?
- proxy.ord.netsetter.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:19:57 (GMT)
Richard:
Also gute Nacht miteinander!
- proxy.ord.netsetter.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:21:10 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Is anyone still here?
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:22:04 (GMT)
Jim:
Richard, there are still some of us "im Zimmer". Wie gehen Sie?
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:22:15 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ja, wird sind da im Zimmer. Wer und wo bist Du?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:23:03 (GMT)
Ed and Mary Krocker:
Jim: We don't do German, but if you're referring to our son-in-law Joe's bouts with kidney stones, he is doing well now. His last visit, the doctor told him there are no more stones. Hope this continues, as he has had a battle with them.
- mod5.new-philly.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:23:33 (GMT)
Jim:
Sophia, good evening. Thanks again for helping knit that family information together. It was very helpful.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:24:24 (GMT)
Jim:
Steinstrasse literally means street of stones which is what you can get in the ureter as the stones are broken down. Thought I would pair some German with medicine.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:25:23 (GMT)
Sophia:
Dr. Jim. It was a pleasure. You do such a great job on your hobby genealogy and we all appreciate it.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:30:45 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sophia did you find any pictures of Bistriz yet?
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:32:16 (GMT)
Jim:
Bistritz is one of the towns on the map that looks like it might be intact. I wonder if any of the old buildings are there.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:34:06 (GMT)
Sophia:
Marilu: All I have is a photo of the Rom house and Gasthaus (Restaurant) Lackner which is right across the stree. I think it shows the main road too. Bistrizt is kind of on a slant (meaning built on a hill). There are numerous houses away from the main blacktop but the Rom is an old Gottscheer house as is the current owner. We had a great convrsation in Gottscheerisch. Will scan them the first chance I have and send time. Time - where does it go?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:34:53 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Well I would appreciate both of them. The Roms are related along the way also. Do you have a scanner so you can email them to me.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:36:06 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Hallo gang, I am back.
- 1Cust244.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:36:37 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Thanks Sophia they will be wonderful in my book.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:36:41 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
The Rom's used to live in house #1 in the early 1800's and before. Then my Peschel family moved there, and the Rom's moved to house #9 I think
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:37:53 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Good evening!
Good to see there are still some of you left!

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:37:57 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Hi Christine, how was skiing? Where did you go?
- 1Cust244.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:38:10 (GMT)
Sophia:
Marilu: At the time when the Gottscheers lived there, or prior to the Umsiedlung - Resettlement (there is that word again) there were 25 houses in Bistritz. That most certainly is not the case now.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:40:49 (GMT)
Jim:
Welcome, Ridy and Franz.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:41:02 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Ridy. Did you get a lot done today?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:41:23 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Nice to be welcomed by Jim.
- 1Cust244.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:41:35 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sophia In all the records I have from 1800 to 1900 there are only 13 houses in the records, so would sure like to know who live in the rest of them. I think the guy that made that list made a mistake.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:42:32 (GMT)
Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I did get a lot done today, Trixie. . . .I managed to break my printer. Good excuse to stop and watch Tiger!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:42:59 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Unless they built a bunch of houses after 1900.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:43:19 (GMT)
Jim:
Ridy ---- watching Golf !!! I guess it was the Masters. I watched some of the Lakers-Timberwolves game. Sorry, Sophia but I am a Laker's fan.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:46:37 (GMT)
Ridy:
Jim - I was just trying to compare the grass in Augusta to the grass in Toronto. . . we were up to 25°C today and I swear you actually could see the grass grow!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:48:19 (GMT)
Sophia:
Well, Dr. Jim you can't win them all. You are, after all, a Viking fan, aren't you? Marilu: I have four nice photos. Will scan them and send them via snail mail. Marilu: Why don't you e-mail Paul Jenner to see what he has on the village of Bistritz. He chairs the Gottscheer Village project and has worked on it for almost 3 years. When we are done gathering all possible information the GHGA plans to publish the book for all to enjoy. Check your membership directly for his e-mail address. I am sure he will be glad to help you. Ridy: wasn't Tiger, and all the golfers for that matter, great? He truly is a marvelous human being.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:50:29 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ridy, Isn't the grass in Toronto white? Someone once said you can hear your grass grow.
- 1Cust244.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:50:37 (GMT)
Jim:
Ridy, I don't believe you about just watching the grass but I am glad to here about the warm weather. Can't wait until tomorrow.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:50:56 (GMT)
Jim:
I do root for the Twins as well but it is hard after all these years of losing. They have to do some type of revenue sharing or the smaller markets will never be able to compete.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:52:22 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sophia Paul already emailed me and I told him I would send him a chart of who was in what house when. But there are only 13 in the records. So I dont know where the 25 came from.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:53:06 (GMT)
Ridy:
Don't begrudge us the warm weather and sunshine today -- the rest of the week looks like wall to wall rain and back to cool temperatures.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:53:35 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Ed & Mary, are you still on? Sorry I did nit answer your E-mail, had a hectic week. Yes Josef Tramposch and I had a nice visit and we are looking forward to many more. Many thanks for your help.
- 1Cust244.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:53:36 (GMT)
Sophia:
Marilu: according to the list prepared by Josef Perz in 1926 there were 25. I think that this is the list that pretty well accepted as quite accurate. But you see, this is 25 years later too.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:54:53 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Folks my hometown in Minnesota is expecting a big flood this week, bigger than the one in 1997. Margaret will have it when she gets to Fargo also next week. That is up the river from Breckenridge.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:55:36 (GMT)
Jim:
George Plautz may be able to help on the number of houses in Bistritz. Perhaps there are 25 and they are still in the process of compiling the others.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:55:46 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sophia, yes I realize he says 25. But they must of built a lot of houses between 1900 and 1926.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:56:45 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I have all the birth and marriage records and there are only 13 in those records between 1780 and 1900.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:57:26 (GMT)
Sophia:
Sorry, but can't help you beyond the information that was printed in 1926.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:59:06 (GMT)
Jim:
I checked George's file that he had sent to me. I guess that is also where you got your Bistritz information from as well. I think it is a work in progress so maybe there are more houses to come.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 02:59:21 (GMT)
Franz Mausser:
Good Night Y'all.
- 1Cust244.tnt7.chiega.da.uu.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:00:21 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I got all my Bistriz information myself. I have all the films here at the lds library
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:00:35 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have that same file from george, and I sent him some fo that information.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:01:01 (GMT)
Jim:
I knew some of that information looked familiar. It did help me fill out some of the branches on your family tree. I have standardized the name spellings so it is easier to sort the families. The dates are also sometimes confusing.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:03:06 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim so would you like more information on my family tree. I can send you a small family tree maker file.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:04:29 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have spent almost two years working on all of those films.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:05:45 (GMT)
Jim:
Marilu, do the microfilms also stop short of twenty five? It is unfortunate that there are no family books for the later years. How about the birth, marriage, or death films --- maybe they will list more houses?
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:06:03 (GMT)
Sophia:
Here is something that I mean to share with all of you for a long time but kept forgetting it. Marilu's question about the number of houses in Bistrizt brought it back to mind. Several years ago we learned for a fantastic document regarding Slovenia but also the Gottscheer region. It is a beautifully assembled group of maps. It is called Josephinische Landesaufnahme 1763 - 1787. It shows every village (I think from the air) as well the woods, roads etc. It also has a great detailed book full of information. The book, which can be ordered from Slovenia, sells for $80.00 but well worth the investment. I have used it often and have shared much information. If anyone is interested let me know and I shall gladly look up the address.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:06:22 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim that is what I have been trying to tell you. In the microfilms of the birth and marriage records there are only 13 houses.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:07:36 (GMT)
Jim:
Marilu, of course. I would appreciate it. I will send one to you as well. I am interested to see if mine is close to yours. I would like to see how many errors I will have using only George's file.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:08:07 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
So Sophia what does your Map show for Bistriz.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:08:47 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have found several errors in George's file for the houses from Bistriz. Someone else has sent him info also, and it was not all correct.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:10:00 (GMT)
Jim:
Marilu, now I understand. I did not know you had all the records. Perhaps Mr. Perz had the number of houses wrong since the most of the records did go up until 1941.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:10:04 (GMT)
Sophia:
For what it is worth, Marilu, on this map, between 1763 and 1787 it shows 7 or possibly 8 houses.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:10:11 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim the microfilm of the family book also only has 13 houses. I have that one also.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:10:58 (GMT)
Jim:
I had to weed out some errors so that is why I would appreciate it if you could take a quick peek. I try to get those mistakes before I enter the data into the file.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:11:18 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Thanks Sophia I just think Josef was wrong. I cant imagine they did that much building after so many people had already left.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:11:47 (GMT)
Sophia:
Ridy: Did I ever send you a copy of the map of Kukendorf? it really shows up nice on the map described below?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:13:01 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim I would be happy to check your file against what I have.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:13:24 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I told George I would send him more after I had my Peschel book done. that is taking all my time now. And I am almost finsihed.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:14:46 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I cant believe how long it takes to do all the captions for all the pictures.
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:16:02 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim got the file. Will look at it tomorrow
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:18:44 (GMT)
Ridy:
Trix - I have the Josephinische Landesaufnahme books. . .do you mean the map in there, or the map of the village. My cousin Hilda had sketched out a map of the village for me.
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:19:02 (GMT)
Sophia:
Good Night everyone. May you all have a wonderful Easter. Enjoy the blessed food! Maria and I will be working on the next edition of the Gottscheer Connection newsletter.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:19:15 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night Sophia Happy Easter
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:20:22 (GMT)
Sophia:
Yes, Ridy, the map in the book. When I say it is beautiful I mean it is out in the open and clearly visible. Don't you agree Ridy, that it is a marvelous publication?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:20:32 (GMT)
Jim:
It is getting to be time to pack it in. I will try to enjoy the sunny day tomorrow before Ontario sends us more bad weather.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:21:00 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night Jim and Ridy
- spider-th013.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:21:46 (GMT)
Jim:
Everyone, have a good week and keep in touch.
- spider-th044.proxy.aol.com - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:21:50 (GMT)
patricia:
good night all. Must get the little ones to bed. Hope you all have a wonderful Easter.
- ip82.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 09, 2001 at 03:23:45 (GMT)
Sophia:
I wish all participants in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer a Blessed Easter. Enjoy some good Gottscheer food for me too.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 14:25:15 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I binsch dr a froha Oaschtrn uent a groassn haeufn uer.
- AC96115A.ipt.aol.com - Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 20:24:02 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I hon baudr af Di vargasn, I binsch dr a froaha Oaschtrn, hoeffentlich legescht Due vil uer.
- AC9A3DB2.ipt.aol.com - Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 23:32:58 (GMT)
Sophia:
I have Windows 95. Under tools I find languages; when clicking it I find an index for many, many different languages including German and Slovenian. Question to the geniuses out there: Can I buy software for Windows 95 that I can download for both German and Slovenian? THANK YOU for your guidance and assistance. Will appreciate it.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Friday, April 13, 2001 at 01:51:20 (GMT)
Fred:
Wishing you ALL a very HAPPY EASTER.
- spider-mtc-ta083.proxy.aol.com - Friday, April 13, 2001 at 12:37:29 (GMT)
Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I want to wish everyone a very Happy Easter. We will spending it in Denver with all the kids and grandkids. So will probably be home late Sunday night, and will miss the chat.
- spider-wi024.proxy.aol.com - Friday, April 13, 2001 at 14:54:10 (GMT)
Jim Heimann:
Dear Chat Room Friends, have a Happy and a Healthy Easter!!!! Will be enjoying many Italian Easter specialties prepared by my mother-in-law.
- spider-th034.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 01:25:30 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
FROHE OSTERN to all my friends in cyberspace! HAPPY EASTER!
FROAHE OASCHTERN!

- 24.66.13.5 - Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 12:07:54 (GMT)
Franz:
Happy Easter, Frohe Ostern, y'all.
- 1Cust100.tnt56.chi5.da.uu.net - Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 12:33:54 (GMT)
bryan:
asshole
- proxy.aus.netsetter.com - Sunday, April 15, 2001 at 21:09:29 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Frohe Ostern, from here in KCMO. Hope all had a happy one. Who is Bryan??
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:13:54 (GMT)
Richard:
Frohe Ostern, alle miteinander
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:17:53 (GMT)
Richard:
Hope everyone had a lovely Easter.
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:19:20 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Richard: Hi from KCMO. Do you know who Bryan might be? Really am concerned.
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:19:32 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: Are you on tonight??
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:20:54 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Hello Margaret and Richard ~
Hope everybody had a Happy Easter. Ours was lovely, but very tiring. . . .but here I am, ready to chat again.

- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:24:30 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Margaret: I am recovering from Bryan's message. He ought to be real proud of himself! How are you Margaret?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:24:57 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Ridy! Exhaustion at our house too. But, tomorrow is another day! Am always glad when Easter is over. A lot of sentimentality connected with it for me. I truly miss my parents on this holiday.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:26:59 (GMT)
Richard:
Is anyone still there?
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:27:37 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Sophia: I was just fine, until I read Bryan's message. Have printed out your Gottscheer Easter recipes and mailed them to Tante Leni Jonke in Mahopac. SHe shares with her neighbors and they talk about old times.
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:28:01 (GMT)
Sophia:
Richard. Welcome! Didn't mean to ignore you.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:28:21 (GMT)
Sophia:
Richard, what are your words of wisdom for tonight? And where might they be coming from? Gottscheer connection is?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:29:38 (GMT)
Richard:
I have a Bryan (my 12 year old). But this one tonight is not mine, Margaret. I'm have internet connection problems so there is a long lag so far here.
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:29:41 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Isn't there an internet rule about "inappropriate" language on line?
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:30:18 (GMT)
Patricia:
Hello and Happy Easter to all
- ip9.sacramento9.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:30:18 (GMT)
Richard:
Words of wisdom? I wish I had some. I seek them each day from others!
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:30:39 (GMT)
Sophia:
Hi Patricia: I am delighted to tell you that I have a neat photo of the village of Neulag and numerous of Altlag. One of these days will get my act together and put them in the mail. Remember, I still need your mailing address. Please e-mail it to me at wyants@mlecmn.net.

Richard, I don't believe you for a minute that you seek words of wisdom from others. Give it a try.

- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:32:47 (GMT)
Richard:
I am somewhat familiar with Gottschee (now in Slovenia. I ran across your Plaudernzimmer several weeks ago, but always forgot to "tune in" Sunday evenings.
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:32:56 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Richard: Well, we're really glad you joined us. My married name is "Murphy", but my father and his family were born in Gottschee--that's my Jonke part. Welcome!
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:34:02 (GMT)
Richard:
Sophia, you must have some (i.e. words of wisdom) for us. It seems the longer one lives, the nastier the world becomes. It good we have Easter. It does give us hope.
- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:34:30 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia I just e-mailed my adress to you. Can't wait to see the photos. Thank -you
- ip9.sacramento9.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:35:43 (GMT)
Richard:
Margaret, Jonke seems to be of Czech origin.
Can that be?

- proxy.sjc.netsetter.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:35:52 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Richard: Jonke is a common name. My oma's name was Jonke before and after marriage. My ancestors came from Kummerdorf,,,now called Kumrovo, I believe.
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:37:02 (GMT)
Sophia:
I think the world is still a great place in which to live. True, there are some that can be nasty but they are definitely in the minority, I think. I enjoy just about everbody that I meet and I am sure you do too. Now tell us to where in Gottschee (village or area) your connecton might be. I always enjoy learning that from everyone that I meet.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:37:30 (GMT)
:
Ops... I was cut off again. Here in North Carolina it was such a beautiful day. The sun was out and the trees, especially the dogwoods, were in full blossom.
- client232-53.gbo2.greensboro.intrex.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:41:26 (GMT)
Richard:
I love to travel. I have visited some of the earlier German Sprachinseln in eastern Europe, but never Gottschee. I believe there were some 80 villages in the Gottschee area. I would really like to have heard Gottscheer German spoken.
- client232-53.gbo2.greensboro.intrex.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:44:12 (GMT)
Richard:
How long has this chat Plaudernzimmer existed? I think it is quite nice.
- client232-53.gbo2.greensboro.intrex.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:46:53 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Richard: Sophia and Ridy can really be great help to you. Sophia and I email frequently and she is teaching me much about my Gottscheer heritage.
- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:48:08 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia if you get a quil chance please check your e-mail Thanks
- ip9.sacramento9.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:49:40 (GMT)
Richard:
Well, it would be interesting to learn more about Gottschee. My e-mail address is Isny@TheDepot.com
- client232-53.gbo2.greensboro.intrex.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:49:44 (GMT)
Franz:
Good evening friends, any eastereggs leftovers?
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:50:57 (GMT)
Margaret Jonke:
Time to say, auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Till next
Sunday.

- A020-0737.KSCY.splitrock.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:51:13 (GMT)
Richard:
Good night, Margaret.
- client232-53.gbo2.greensboro.intrex.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:52:07 (GMT)
Franz:
Margaret, just when I tune in you leave. Good Night anyway.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:52:29 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
Grüß Dich Gott, Franz. . . Hoscht dü biedr z'viel oilein mischt assn?
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:54:57 (GMT)
Richard:
Well, it is getting late. I need to get up early. Good night everyone.
- client232-53.gbo2.greensboro.intrex.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:55:09 (GMT)
Ridy Högler Skyrme:
G'nite Richard - join us again next Sunday, won't you. . .
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:56:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, de henne hot et genueg mecht legn. I hon a gonzn tog geschueachet, hon ubr nisch mecht vin. Dr studl ischt a gonz lar geban.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 01:57:23 (GMT)
Ridy :
Franz ~ Du hoscht a Walah g'mochet. Zn Oaschtern leget dr Husche d oier, et d henne
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:00:02 (GMT)
Ridy :
That's enough showing off for one night, Franz - back to English now!
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:01:03 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia: Thanks for your message and address. Will get photos in the mail this week.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:02:03 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, teifl noech abag, I hon ju gonz vrgassn. Nuea miss I auessn gian und in huschn schueachn. Donk dr schian as due mi auefgekleret hoscht. I schug ju duech, buas kenabr una de biabr tuean?
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:04:00 (GMT)
Ridy :
Franz - are you sure you're not my father? That sounded like something he might have said to me a lifetime ago! lol
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:06:25 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, thaks for your mail on the Komutzen names and house names. The Kirschnarsch is our house and name. You are a libriary, I must say.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:08:10 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, wouldn't it be nice to reach that age?
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:09:33 (GMT)
Patricia:
Sophia You told me last week where Winkel/Winkle Sp? was could you tell me the size if you know it as well ??
- ip48.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:11:27 (GMT)
Sophia:
Fran: Am very happy that you enjoyed it. When I come across something that I connect with a Gottscheer to that particular area I am thinking that they would enjoy having it. I know how I feel when I get unpected mail. It is wonderful.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:11:48 (GMT)
Ridy :
Franz - one can only hope. . .
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:12:25 (GMT)
Sophia:
Patricia: According to Josef Perz, who prepared the list of the Gottscheer villages in 1926 Winkel, in the Parish of Altlag had 11 houses.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:14:48 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, I always say: one day at a time.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:15:32 (GMT)
Patricia:
Thank you
- ip48.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:16:16 (GMT)
Patricia:
Well I must sign off and get the little ones to bed. Take care till next week
- ip48.sacramento14.ca.pub-ip.psi.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:19:06 (GMT)
Ridy :
Time for me to welcome the Sandman. . .Have a good week, everybody and Gütei Nocht
- 24.66.13.5 - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:19:50 (GMT)
Franz:
Sophia, I don't know if I ever asked if you were in the detention camp Wagna after 1945. I received a newspaper klipping from my sister in Kapfenberg in which there was a photo of a lot of us schoolkids with our teacher. I will forward it to you.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:22:49 (GMT)
Franz:
Ridy, gueatei nocht, hoeffentlich schufascht due a gueat.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:24:38 (GMT)
Franz:
Good Night friends.
- 1Cust217.tnt2.barrington.il.da.uu.net - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:25:54 (GMT)
Sophia:
Evidentially we never made it to Lager Wagna but were in Lager Kapfenberg briefly. From there we moved to Kärnten, firs to Lager Treffling by Spittal an der Drau and then Feffernitz. In August of 1946 my parents found employment with Familie Baumgartner in Altfinkenstein by Villach, Kärnten. We stayed there until we left for America in April of 1952. I have great memories of that place and return to visit from time to time. The youngest son of the original Baumgartners now runs the restaurant/hotel/farm complex. It is located at the foot of the Karawanken mountain range, which is the border between Austria and Slovenia. I hiked the 3 hours to the top often and did it again on my first trip back in 1984. The view is spectacular. Are you familiar with that part of Austria?
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:27:36 (GMT)
Sophia:
I guess I am the last one in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer. Have a good week everybody. See you next Sunday. THINK SPRING! Cold here. We are going down to 20 tonight with a strong, north wind.
- cp-cache1.cpinternet.com - Monday, April 16, 2001 at 02:29:07 (GMT)