Plauderzimmer Log, Apr. '02 - Oct. '02

Helmuth:
If it's April or October, it's time to roll the logs again. Same as changing the clocks I guess! Have a good week everyone.
- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 11:27:14 (UTC)

Paul B:
Wish everyone a happy productive week.. Russell-You were the late=late crew...Jim=I.m used to saying "the Usual" , T"the norm"..But from now on I will use Life Affirming activities, thank you-and after all, aint it the truth? And Helmuth, of course Thank You once again-very much....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 13:10:03 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
I'm not going to be able to make the Sunday Night Chats for a while. For at least the next 3 weeks I'll be working 4p- 12m shift EDT and the earliest I'll be home will be 1:30am EDT which I think is 5:30 UTC, so I'll be floating around.
- 152.163.194.193 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 16:33:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Give it a shot Russell-sometimes i am still up at that hour..Somebody is sure to say,"What can you talk about at that hour"....I have had thos crazy hours all my life, since I moved to bethpage,L.I. Sometimes I think it was a curse..But, you know what they say"If you hang long enough, you get used to that too"........Guess I've been hanging long enough-I accept it as a fact of life-have always been a night person because of work hours, Quest e' la vida!!!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 17:50:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I know Russell is not home yet..Anyone about?11:30 P.M. in N.Y.
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:34:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Paul ~
I was just coming to switch off the computer. . . you're a night owl like I am, it seems. It's been a miserable day here, part of it due to rain, which will stick around until Wednesday. But it's getting warmer, and that's good. Your Yankees took our Jays to the cleaners today - that's not good!
- 64.229.253.88 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:36:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening and Good Night, I guess. Hope you all had a good Monday. Nice day in Minnesota. A little cool but no rain and temps to be in the 50's tomorrow with sunshine. My kind of day.

Enjoyed reading all the chats last night. We learn a great deal from each other and that is absolutely wonderful. I wish you a good week and sleep well.
- 209.240.245.95 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:45:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix & Ridy...Your weather is an exact duplicate of ours Ridy, for the next couple of days also,at least that's what they are sayin Drove Adie to the Dr, today for her six month check up today.Plenty time to read your book in the waiting room..Gets more interesting everytime..Will highly recommend it to everyone....
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 04:14:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Gotta go Russell-Have a snack and drink a nice glass of warm milk Russell so you sleep good tonite...It's an hour before your coming home tonite, and I thought I was going to still be working in this office, but i must be getting old, because my eyes are fighting me...See ya'
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 04:30:41 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
If I have to have a warm milk, I want a Hot Chocolate.
- 152.163.195.214 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 06:51:25 (UTC)

Dan:
Ridy, Thanks! I will be sending the money for your book soon. I am really looking forward to reading it! By the way. I live in Northwestern New Jersey. Also! I am a big Yankee fan. So sorry about you "JAYS".
- 64.21.105.145 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:25:25 (UTC)

Dan:
Ridy, Thanks! I will be sending the money for your book soon. I am really looking forward to reading it! By the way. I live in Northwestern New Jersey. Also! I am a big Yankee fan. So sorry about your "JAYS".
- 64.21.105.145 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:25:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy: Feel I should apologise for not commenting on the ball game you mentioned..I am really not into sports..What i know would not be enoughto fill a thimble. But ask me about WORK, and I can get into that....Am I boring or what?
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:48:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
De Ja Voue? Or however it is spelled.Like Yogi says, "all over again."
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 03:26:57 (UTC)

DAN:
Just dropped by to day "GOOD MORNING" to everyone. I hope everyone has an enjoyable day.I hope to get to know you all over time.I feel like I know you all now because of reading the Log. See ya later.
- 64.21.104.206 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 12:43:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Dan. I see you ordered Ridy's book..I know you will find it interesting,charming, and informative...enjoy. By reading it I am now reliving some of the stories, customs, and history that I have learned thru the years from my Gottscheer family. And some new things, that they did not tell me--or more likely that I have forgotten thru the years. See ya'........
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 14:21:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
Dear Paul!
Please tell everybody that I am not paying you to plug the book for me! You're the best salesman a gal could wish for! Hey. . . don't let me stop you!
- 64.229.237.3 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 14:33:55 (UTC)

Paul B,:
Excuse me if this is too lengthy,but I have to explain something,,,By the way Ridy, anyone who reads your book will know what I mean..But I feel a need to explain..When I was just 9, I started to work with my parents in the store. My father told me when I came home from school one day that this is what I had to do..He needed the help-he wanted me to learn-he tried to protect me from the streets=who knows? So I grew up dealing with adults the better part of my childhood..Don't get me wrong- I loved my MOM and POP..This was the way it was,period.Now at the age of 16 I meet the girl I immediately knew would be my wife one day-the sooner, the better...Up to that point my life was all work and no play--I knew no different.I meet the gottscheers and I find out-hey, there is more to life than just work..I finf a family of Gottscheers and friends that not only work hard--they also play hard-industrious hard working-but knew another side of life,, I am telling you, it was love at first sight all around..Two yrs later I marry Adie..Would you believe that since 1940 until now I have never had an argument with anyone in the family? It has been a healthy loving careing relationship from day one! I miss terribley the ones who are no longer with us-will never forget them..The book reminds me of all the things I learned from them..So you see, it gives me great pleasure and that is the Gods' honest truth,,and now I am going to cry--i am not ashamed either.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 20:31:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul -
Tell Adie to kiss away year tears for me. . . .you're very sweet.
- 64.229.253.205 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 20:41:43 (UTC)

:
I tell you what Ridy-wether Adie kisses my tears away or not-we will go out to dinner tonite and I will have a nice shot of Kaluah in my coffe!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:09:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Holy smokes I just realized I said all that on the Plauderzimmer and not E-Mail,,Ich bin ein (you know what)
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:13:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Holy smokes I just realized I said all that on the Plauderzimmer and not E-Mail,,Ich bin ein (you know what)
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:30:11 (UTC)

Irene:
Paul B. I don't think what you are feeling is unusual. I have always thought that my relatives were the most hard working, fun loving people I have ever met. My uncles always had a joke and the women were always appreciative of their sense of humor. Perhaps none of us would be chatting if we didn't have "warm and fuzzy" feelings for our heritage. I always wanted to by like my aunt. She was no-nonsense, hardworking and could always make anyone feel good because when whe was listening to them she made that person feel as if they were the most important person on earth.
- 66.66.193.71 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:43:41 (UTC)

Irene:
Stupid question. What does UTC mean after the time?
- 66.66.193.71 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:48:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Holy smokes I just realized I said all that on the Plauderzimmer and not E-Mail,,Ich bin ein (you know what)
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:52:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Irene....sometimes I get carried away,,but obviously you understand,,Gotta go eat,,And my cappucinno is going to taste extra spcl today..I don't know what time zone UTC is either...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 22:01:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Happy Wednesday. Today is soooo nice out that the snow is melting really fast from the front lawn. I see we are having a warm and fuzzy moment here about our families.
- 206.172.22.184 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 22:51:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Congratulations Paul for sharing those wonderful memories. Way to go Addie and Paul. Keep it up.
- 209.240.237.161 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 03:01:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Trix sent you some new information tonight
- 199.243.211.143 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 03:35:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well here it is midnite and we are just getting back..After dinner we just drove around talking about the old days, and wound up singing all the way home..I want to thank you all, because it was of you and all the comversation that this great nite happened for Adie and me, And if you are thinking of the Kaluah, we shared a small stamphelei (sp?) Love ya' all.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 04:14:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix..always nice to hear from you..I know you are a busy gal...
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 04:36:41 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
UTC is a fancy word for Greenwich Mean Time.
- 205.188.195.44 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 16:26:32 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks Russell. How is your reserach going?
- 66.66.193.71 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 16:41:31 (UTC)

:
Ah - I see you already have a response to your question, Irene. I asked Helmuth what it meant, and he sent me basically the same response as Russell already provided for us. I'm glad you asked that question, because I always wondered what it meant as well.

It stands for Universal Time Coordinates, also known as GMT (Greenwich
Mean time). It is the time in Greenwich, England which is exactly 12
hours from the International Date Line, so it is the "mean" time for any
given day.

Basically it's 4 hours ahead of us in Daylight Savings, and 5 hours ahead
the rest of the year (since you are in Eastern time).
- 64.229.252.244 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 18:35:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
And some days I don't know my own name. . . .
- 64.229.252.244 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 18:36:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Dear Ridy: The last time I checked it was Ridy and/or Ridi.Hey, did I tell you that I am going to try and make a Ville today? So what if Easter is over? I am going totry it with left over smoked Virginia ham.Maybe I am going to invent something new...I got everybody mad when i said I wa going to make it Sicilian style with tomato sauce and mozzarella cheese, and call it Vilo..Of course, I was kidding....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 18:47:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Paul. Try it and enjoy it. Ever tried English Muffin bread for ville? It is wonderful. So, where did you get the casing? PLEASE share how it turned out.

Good night everyone.
- 216.251.169.36 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 02:42:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Paul sounds like your having fun trying something new.
- 206.172.22.149 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 02:52:05 (UTC)

Paul B:
Had to tqke a rain check on my attempt to make the Ville..I had just finished cubing the smoked ham when I got an emergency call and had to go toJFK Airport. It is now past midnite and I just got back..So good night everyone,,Tomorrow is another busy day,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 04:27:45 (UTC)

Russell Doucette :
I haven't done much research lately. What I should do is make up a list of Eisenzopfs and ask questions by e-mail. But lately I've been too busy with work and I've had more success researing other branches of family.
- 152.163.194.192 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 14:53:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Morning everyone-I think I have been hogging the Plauderzimmer--didn't mean to..Well, you won't see me today, at least until tonite anyway..So you all have a wonderful day, and be happy...God Bless...
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 14:53:42 (UTC)

Patrick Jonke:
Hi, I'm looking for information about the Blau-Weiss Gottschee SC over-30 team. All the web links seem to have ended in 1999. Does the team still exist?
- 129.236.11.152 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 18:30:47 (UTC)

Irene:
AS of March 1st 2002 the team was still on the web and actively playing so I assume it is still an active team. i would ask the phone operator to give you the number for the team so you can contact them directly. I have seen the team listed as Ridgewood Queens and Ridgewood Brooklyn so you might want to ask the operator using both locations. I used www.google.com and found recent hits immediately. I also found a history of the team when it originated in 1955. If you haven't tried google as a search engine, I think you will be impressed. If you're inerterested I'll tell you more tricks Google can do.
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 19:25:24 (UTC)

Dan:
Hey Paul, You have gotten my curiosity up. What is Ville? I told you I know nothing about all this stuff. Enlighten me OK?
- 64.21.104.170 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 22:12:28 (UTC)

Dan:
Russell & Sharon, Hello. I have one Eisenzoph in my family line. Gertrude Born 8/29/1836 married my 1st cousin 3x removed Johann Sedlar in Nesseltal on 8/19/1863.
- 64.21.104.170 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 22:16:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Dan I have come across that name alot. It keeps coming up alot online.
- 206.172.22.39 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 23:43:39 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I would like to obtain copies of the birthrecords from the books but don't know how to go by it. I have seen them on the microfilm. I spent all day at work thinking about it. I came up with an idea using the scanner. I thought if I can bring home the microfilm and put the page I'm looking at in the scanner and scan it, then enlarge it using the scanner, I could print out that page and then match it to the other side. I don't think the scanner would harm the film. I would like others opinions on it before I ask the church if I could. What would be the pros and cons of it.
- 206.172.22.39 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 23:48:08 (UTC)

Jim H:
Sharon, putting the microfilm on a regular scanner won't give it enough clarity. I am not sure if they make a unit that will scan microfilms directly into a computer. If so, then it would be fine. I have tried photographing the images displayed by a microfilm reader using film and digital. The lighting is too uneven to do a good job for entire pages. If you are interested in only a portion of the page, it would work with either film or digital. A scanner is a great idea but it would have to be a scanner designed specifically for the purpose of storing whole pages.
- 205.188.193.26 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 01:06:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks Jim for the advice. I have used the scanner to zoom into object so small on a photo that it enlarged it so that I could see it better. I think I'll give it a try. I wouldn't hurt anything and I'll let you know how it turned out.
- 199.243.211.148 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 02:09:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
EVERYBODY LIKES MY VILLE!!!!!!!!!!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 03:26:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sharon, I don' think the LDS Church will let you take the microfilm from the library. Most librarys have a viewer that will make photocopies. That is what I have been doing.
- 205.188.201.146 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 04:29:26 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Sharon,
I agree with Marilu. I don't think you can get permission to take them home. You would have to receive permission from the Family History Library in Salt Lake to do such a thing. I noticed on my French films that they have a sticker that tells you that you can't reproduce or copy in anyway except for personal use. Which means you couldn't compile the names into a book and then reproduce or sell it. It could only be used by you personally. This is because of agreements the church has made with the French governments to allow the records to be only be used for genealogical purposes. As far as I know the Gottscheer records were not obtained the same way, but they may have some restrictions. I have never heard of any scanning projects approved by the church. The church does have extraction projects and they are all done by hand. Then double and triple checked. It's worth a try, but if you have to go through the church Family History in Salt Lake I don't believe you will be able to get permission. They are pretty strict about how microfilm is used. Let me know if you need to contact the Family History Center in Salt Lake and I will get you a contact to work through.
- 209.240.222.32 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 13:06:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from a rainy Minnesota. Had beautiful sunshine until about 3 p.m. though. The snow is almost gone but the fishermen are still busy on the lake. Within 2 weeks or so we should see the blue waters of Waukenabo. Hope you are all enjoying a good day.
- 209.240.245.89 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 23:15:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I would have to agree with you all after hearing your side. Copy right laws are important. Anyways I'm not going to have time to do it. My Aunt's (in-law) Mom passed away tonight so I'm going to busy helping her with the funeral arrangements. The women lived to be 101. Pretty good I say. She out lived the Queen Mom. She would always tell people she and the Queen Mom are the same age.
Thanks for the your info and the previous question. Always great to get another opinion.
- 199.243.211.131 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 02:14:17 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
My condolances Sharon!
- 205.188.200.136 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 13:18:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri,

My condolances as well.
- 66.66.193.71 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 17:46:40 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry about your Aunts' MOM Sharon..My own Mom almost made it to 100, but missed by one year. May all our beloved deceased rest in peace...
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 17:49:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Abou my Ville experience: Thanks for all the pointers Trix and Ridy.. I finally made it late Friday nite, by using a tip from each contributor and it turned swell.Proof of the pudding id that it was half gone by Saturday noon and totally gone by this morning. I made it in a 9 inch pan that my Mom used to make Pasta In Forno. Happy Sunday everyone.
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 18:01:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Sharon, sincerely sympathy from all of us in the Plauderzimmer. God Bless.
- 209.240.237.153 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 18:54:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Paul. So, no casing involved. You just baked in the pan. Sounds nummy to me.
- 209.240.237.153 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 18:55:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Dan: This is my simple way of making Ville, If I did it, anyone can.I cut up into cubes some left-over baked smoked ham-about a pound or little more-I cut into cubes a small loaf of white Wonder Bread-I whipped up9 eggs and added the bread ,salt, pepper and mushed it all up and set it aside.Then I put cubed bacon=1 lb, a med.size onion (chopped) and the meat into a large frying pan and blanched it slowly with some butter added to it.I let it simmer till it was kina' glazed looking while I buttered a 9 inch porcelain deep dish pan. Now i mixed it altogether in the bowl and filled the pan with it, Covered it with reynolds Wrap and put it in the oven I had preheated at 375 degrees for abot forty five minutes-I checked after 35 and put it back in uncovered..Took it out-loosened the sides with a nice flat spatula-turned it upside down onto aplatter & the rest is history.I hope noone is offended because i took so much space,,,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:01:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
One more thing: I gave it a name: My Ville cake!
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:03:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Darn it, I forgot to say that I added 1/4 cup of milk to the whipped up egg mix...I promise I will not take any more space with this,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:06:29 (UTC)

tanja reilly:
Alles gute zum 80zten Geburstag Alfred Sajovitz!!!!
Happy birthday pop,and 80 more!!!!!!!!
- 166.102.55.66 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 22:15:17 (UTC)

Ridy H�gler Skyrme:
Aus as guate zn Gepurtstog, Herr Sajovitz! Vil Glick, G'schundheit, und Segn, �nd n�ch vilei sch�enei Juhre meit Eier dr Familie. A very Happy Birthday from Toronto!
- 64.229.233.28 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 22:55:46 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thank you everyone for the support.
- 206.172.22.198 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 22:57:56 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
My Mother's birthday is on Tuesday and I don't know what to get her. Don't you just hate being in that situation?
- 206.172.22.20 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 23:19:12 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Sherri!
I figure I'm about your mother's age. . . .
All I want for my birthday is a ticket on a Mediterranean cruise - preferably on the QE2 - and preferably for about 3 months. I don't care when, as long as it's soon!
- 64.229.233.28 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 23:48:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Ridy!!! Sharon, another thought for your mother is to ask her: "Mom, what can I help you with?". Believe me, she will appreciate that very much especially if you do it. When done take her out for dinner.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 00:22:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, CONGRATULATIONS! The ville sounds absolutely nummy to me too. Have never baked it this way but with casings getting harder and harder to find this is a great alternative. The only thing that I would add would be some finely chopped parsley.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 00:23:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Did everyone have a good week? Very hot in KC. Going to be almost 90 in the next day or two.
- 65.57.30.119 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 00:51:10 (UTC)

Dan:
Paul, Thanks for the info on "VILLE". Its sounds great. However I just got back Friday from the doctor & my cholesterol is 292 & tryglicerides are 1132! So I guess making & eating ville is out. I will keep it in mind for when all the numbers go down. Thanks
- 64.21.105.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:07:14 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.57.30.119 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:09:25 (UTC)

Dan:
To everyone. I just joined the GHGA. Kathy in California just e- mailed me to let me know she got my application. I feel like I am finally finding a home.
- 64.21.105.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:09:59 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello all,

Happy birthday Herr Sajovitz!

Sherri,

I'm your mother's age and I would like to spend a day with my son doing some activity that we both like to do. Jeff always makes me the most wonderful cards.

Paul your ville recipe sounds wonderful.

- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:10:10 (UTC)

Irene:
My goodness! I think i'm the only one here tomight.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:14:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello and good evening to everyone. How did the week go?
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:14:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Jim, My first time on the chat line was last week. I don't think I met you yet.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:16:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. It is hard to remember the chat room when it is still daylight!
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:17:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Marilu,
Even though it is daylight savings time, it is pitch black in Albany, NY.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:18:40 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Irene and Marilu. I missed last week's chat. I live in NJ and was born/raised in Brooklyn.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:19:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello Irene. I am quite a bit furthur south, so that makes a little difference.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:19:59 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
Were you the one who asked about the Balu Weiss team?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:20:03 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am with you, Irene. No sign of light on the east coast but it was a very nice day to take a walk and stay outside.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:20:29 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
No, that wasn't me. I am only familiar with the soccer team through internet notes.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:20:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening from Minnesota. Hope everyone is doing well. Am trying to watch Casablanca at the same time as being here. So, what's new with everyone?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:21:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
Were you raised in Ridgewood?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:21:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I got an answer from someone finally on my Ludwig Kump and Maria Peschel. He looked in the 1910 census, and Ludwig was married to a Sophia, I think. So I am still looking for Maria Peschel in New York.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:21:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Trix
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:22:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Guten Abend, all of you!
We were fogged in almost all day in Toronto and we've had all the rain the garden can use for a while!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:23:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. Forgive me but to where in Gottschee is your connection? You are related to Sharon?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:23:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, you can send that rain back my way. We can certaily use it!
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:25:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Do you have Maria's exact birthday? If you do, you might try the social security index, put in Mary and variants along with the dates. Perhaps you will get lucky.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:25:50 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We are getting enough wet stuff for the spring but we are still playing catch up for the lack of snow this winter.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:26:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes I have Maria's exact birthday, but have not searched for her that way. I guess it is worth a try.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:27:07 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I was just so sure she came here to marry Ludwig!!!! lololo He was her contact she listed on her passenger list.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:28:09 (UTC)

Irene:
My mother's maiden name was Marie Eisenzopf from Hohenegg. I met Sharon on the Internet. She thought her grandfather was from Germany. We established a Hohenegg connection, but we are missing a link that will connect our two famiies. Sharon sent me pictures that her grandfather collected and one group picture showed my mother as a little girl. We share pictures of the same people. There are many coincedences but we can't find the missing link.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:29:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim: How was your party and any word from across the Atlantic yet?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:29:21 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
A party? We missed a party?
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:30:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
What type of Dr. are you?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:31:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene - there just has to be a connection. With a unique name like Eisenzopf there has to be! So, who in your family, was born in Hohenegg? Have you ever been there? I visited the village in June of 1996. There are quite a few Gottscheers around who were born there. There is Norbert Lackner, the President of the Gottscheer Relief Assn. in Toronto and a director on the GHGA, Helmut Tramposch's family comes from Hohenegg. There are still a few houses in good condition standing int he village.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:32:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am a diagnostic and interventional radiologist.

We had a wine party at the house last night. We won it at a fundraiser last year and had a party of 12 last night. Good wine, good cheese, and assorted other food.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:35:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, do you know the names of Marie's parents?
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:35:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Yes, I agree. How can there be Eisenzopf's from Hohenegg and not be related to each other. I still have living uncles and aunts. They feel Sharon's family may have immigrated before they were born. My family comes from #17. Sherri has a picture of families members standing in front of a house next door to #17. It was labeled her grandfather's house.

I have been to Gottschee once in the late 1970s bout I don't think I was in Hohenegg.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:38:18 (UTC)

Irene:
Marie's parents were Franz and Maria
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:39:07 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
My husband is a psychiatrist who has a reputation as a good psychchopharmacologist.

I'm getting my Ph.D. in information science. My dissertation in on the electronic medical record.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:41:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: We have a daughter with a Ph.D. It is a huge untertaking, agree? How far along are you on yours? I congratulate you. Who, in your Gottscheer family was born in Gottschee? Perhaps grandparents?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:43:57 (UTC)

Irene:
I finished all my course work, passed all my exams. The only hurdle left is the dissertation.
When you are in your 50s it is a huge undertaking.

It was my mother who was born in Hohenegg.

What is your daughter's Ph.D. in?

- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:47:18 (UTC)

Irene:
testing
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:52:05 (UTC)

:
I'm not getting any communication. Do't know what my problem is.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:54:31 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene, everyone is just slow writing back sometimes, or the weblines are slow.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:56:20 (UTC)

Trix:
The Ph.D. is in political science.

- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:56:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks Marilu
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:57:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, oh - almost The Practice time. Keep chatting. I will catch up with you during commercials. It is a Sunday night date with my honey.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:58:08 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, I don't think I have much to add to the picture but I would guess that is Franz E. and Maria Kresse from Ort. I had her brothers in file (Richard, Alois, and Heinrich) but not much other information. Franz E.'s father was also Franz according to the Umsiedlung records. Congratulations on the phd. and good luck with the dissertation.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:59:51 (UTC)

Irene:
That is correct. Maria Kresse had seven brothers. Are you related to the Kresses?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:02:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, for you and Sharon --- link could be in the prior generation. Sharon tracks her tree back to Josef E. born in 1859 and yours (if I was correct before) to Franz E. born in 1876. They may have been brothers. I wonder if Josef's father was Franz as well. That would make the link even more likely.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:03:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, not related to either the Eisenzopfs or the Kresses. My immediate ancestors were Schauer and Koenig from the Unterwarmberg area.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:04:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene, Jim is assembling a data base of Gottscheers. When ever he finds something, he adds it. Correct, Jim?
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:07:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening everyone. Sure enjoying the spring weather.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:08:40 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,

Thanks, I'll check into that connection.

There was a lawyer in Ridgewood named Schauer. Are you related to him?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:08:48 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Sharon,

We have been talking about you. Check the log for tonight.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:09:31 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Jim, My G. Grandfather had my Grandfather when he was about in his 40's. Now that is what my Mother thinks. She thinks she can recall that G. Grandfather died when Grandfather was about 7 years old. That will be my next clue to search for.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:12:09 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
For accuracy in your database. Alois in the records was my grandmother's nephew. Alois' father also Alois was a businessman in the city of Gottschee and was killed before he left the city of Gottschee.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:13:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I always read the log before I chat. Therefore I know what tonights subject is.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:13:17 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Marilu, almost everything. My fingers are not fast enough and time isn't long enough for everything but ... I try. William Schauer is a distant cousin. He and I are related six or seven times through various branches.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:14:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene did Russell have Alois down as a name in his records?
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:14:24 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
OK I checked his message and that name isn't on the message.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:15:30 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,
I don't know. He hasn't communicated his research to me. It is Alois Kresse that I'm talking about.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:16:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene -
I think you are talking about Alois Kresse. . . If you are, he was killed by the Partisanen in Untersteiermark at the end of WWII - four years after we left Gottschee
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:16:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
This Wednesday I'm going to order another film to retrieve G.Grandfathers birth record.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:16:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ok but there was an Alois Eisenzopf listed in Genealogy.com. Pretty sure but hold me to that.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:17:20 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,

How is your Aunt and her family doing?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:17:33 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
She is doing pretty good. They knew it would come. Her Mom broke her hip and it pretty much went down from there.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:18:37 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,
Do you know anything about this Alois E.? I have a living uncle who is Alois Eisenzopf.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:19:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
No I just seen that name on that web site.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:20:27 (UTC)

Irene:
Ridy,
Thank you. I must have gotten confused. Arnold told me that.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:20:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sharon, if your information is correct, then my theory about how you link up is not correct. Who knows? Sometimes family history can be wrong. Irene, thank you for the information. The resettlement records do list the father of Alois born in 1924 as Franz. Is that the same Alois?
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:21:26 (UTC)

Irene:
Ridy,
I'm confused again. Where was
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:22:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, I am talking about Alois Eisenzopf. I haven't run anything down on the Kresses.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:22:57 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Perhaps last night's wine is muddling the airwaves. In vino veritas .... and all that.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:23:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Ridy,
Sorry, pushed the send button accidently. Were was Untersteiermark located? I have an uncle who married a lady from Steiermark who he met when he was at one of the relocation camps. Were the two areas close to each other?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:24:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jim, no one really knows too much because my Grandparents never talked about relatives in the old country. I guess they thought they should stay quiet because at the time they came to Canada, a war was brewing over there and they didn't want to go back. They got their citizenship as soon as possible.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:25:12 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Plus I think it was hard for them to look back. After all they had no family here.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:27:01 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
Yes, the dates match. Alois E. born in 1924 is my living uncle.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:27:33 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Told my father that he was wrong about what town my Grandfather came from. He thought it was Katzendorf but his birthrecord shows Hohenegg.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:29:20 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I also found my Great Grandparents on Grandma side in the record also. You know I wish they would record the rightside first then the leftside of the books. It would make more sense that way you read the last name first.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:31:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
From what I gather from my mom, her parents did not speak very much of the old country except to say that life was hard and they were poor.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:31:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene -
I'm not sure if you have the first or a later edition of our book, but check page 217, and on it you should find a reference to your uncle Alois Kresse and the manner in which he and his family met their death in 1945. It's above the picture of the names on the wall in the Gedenkst�tte in Graz.
Untersteiermark was the name given to the area where Gottscheers were resettled in 1941. It's just a short distance from Gottschee.
Steiermark is a Province in Austria, directly across the border from Yogoslavia - or Slovenia as it is now again called.
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:32:14 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
the impression I get is that before the first war, my family was living well. I have pictures from New York done professionally
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:33:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I was wondering how far is Mooswald from Hohenegg?
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:34:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks to all of you for your wonderful information. When I'm tired my mind decompensates very quickly. I'm going to say good night.
Bye
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:35:46 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Goodnight Irene. Have a goodnights sleep
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:36:57 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Time for me to pack it in as well. Good chatting and good luck to the Eisenzopf search.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:38:55 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Herein spaziert, herein spaziert, Good Evening everyone.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:39:12 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight everyone. See you next week.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:39:26 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz, we were just saying goodnight. How Are you?
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:39:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Kannst leider gleich wieder rausspazieren, Franz -- sind schon alle fort!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:40:27 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Hi Marilu, thanks for asking I am doing just great.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:41:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Franz - did you forget to set your clock to daylight saving time?
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:41:27 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
What is time? Life goes on either way.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:42:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Ain't that the truth!
Are your skiing days over for the season?
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:43:15 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, leider ja.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:44:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Take up golf - it's less hazardous to your health!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:45:06 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I pretty much live by the sun all year around, except when I have to be on someone else's time schedule! lolol
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:45:08 (UTC)

Trix:
In the old days Mooswald would have been quite a walk from Hohenegg. It is located northwest of the City of Gottschee.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:46:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think we should all live by the sun! Come to think of it, I never heard anyone mention daylight saving time in Gottschee. Did you, Franz?
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:46:33 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, I have seen folks being hit on the head by those funy little balls.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:47:01 (UTC)

Ridy:
That's only to see if they are awake, Franz. It's about on a par of watching grass grow -- except when Tiger is playing, of course!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:47:57 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, Gottschee was so far removed from any of those crazy ideas.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:48:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
You are so right, Franz!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:49:35 (UTC)

Ridy:
G�tei Nocht, Franze, and anyone else who is still on. The sandman has arrived and I must turn in. See y'all next week.
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:52:08 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, Golfers are a very uptight crowd, I rather be up in the mountains and let some Jodlers go.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:52:45 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Guetei Nocht Ridy Dirndle.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:53:51 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night again. It is getting sleepy time here also. See you all next week.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:55:01 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good Night, Marilu.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:55:25 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good Night, Marilu.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:59:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I was just wondering how close Mooswald was. I may have came across some information about that town but I was just from a quick glance at the film. I'm going to double check again.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 03:02:05 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
anyways I have to work at 6am so its bed time. Goodnight all
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 03:02:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I too watched Practice with My HONEY...But in between commercials I was tending to my chiken soup I was preparing for tomorrow..Thanks to all who mentioned my Ville- wish you all a good nite, and a happy week ahead,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 03:48:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix and Paul ~
So -- who is in charge of the remote?
- 64.229.253.87 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 22:51:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ridy. Good to see your message. Actually, when The Practice comes on the remote remains untouched. I find this show just fascinating and NEVER dull. Other times, though, I like to control the remote.

Hope you are having a beautiful day in Toronto. We had 78 (a difference of 25� from yesterday. The weekend we are looking at 45�. Is it going to be another weird year?

OK Paul, lets have it. Who controls the remote in your home? Let's be honest here.

To you both, my best and greetings to the rest of the regulars.
- 209.240.245.166 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 22:53:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy-Trix, When we watch together, Adie has the remote-has to set the volume to her liking-drives me nuts sometimes, but I don't mind as long as we are watching together.I or even she sets it on MUTE during the commercials! And that is the whole truth..I believe it when you say I do for better and for worse..Because if you really love someone that is the way it should be..We had a discussion with some of the newly married-like ten years, one was complaining about the snoring..She knows Adie snores and she said(in front of my wife) how can you stand it I would sleep in another room--my answer to my daughter-in laws question was, It is something called love-pure and simple.....And we have never slept separate, and we never will. Hope the good Lord gives us another 60 years,,,,,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 00:24:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Oh,Oh! Forgot i was on the Plauderzimmer again..Oh well, i only said how i truly feel and it is the same with Adie.. Sorry...
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 00:28:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, you are a gem!
- 209.240.245.166 - Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 01:19:45 (UTC)

Joe M.:
Hello all - I am beginning to research my Gottscheer heritage and don't really know how to start. The maiden name of my Great Grandmother is difficult to trace - Reicher. Her parents died in 1945 in Sterntal. She was from somewhere near Schalkenburg. Any advice?
- 169.71.1.249 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:53:10 (UTC)

Trox:
Good Morning Joe M. Good to see your inquiry. I am thinking that the village is Schalkendorf near the City of Gottschee, which is located in the western part of the former Gottscheer region. Do you have a birthdate for your great-grandmother? Also a full name along with the name of her parents? Please send me an e-mail at: wyants@mlecmn.net. Look forward to hearing from you and wish you a good day.
- 209.240.245.93 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 13:44:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Tix---good Wednesday to you--see you are on the job today==God Bless yoy..I am taking a tea break from the office foe a few minutes...Over 90 degrees here today=Whew!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 19:09:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wow the heat has got me--look at all the mispelled words--Maybe i should take a nap!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 19:10:38 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
WELL I DID NOT TAKE A NAP--GOT A LOT OF WORK DONE WHILE I SIPPED MY ICED TEA....SLEEP WELL EVERYONE....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:21:28 (UTC)

Heinrich Stalzer:
Gruessgot! Anybody know when, or if, Pula or Pola, was part of Austria? Both my granfather and father where from there, and his numerous uncles! They were emoployee
- 68.63.112.80 - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 10:40:57 (UTC)

Irene:
Pula was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire from the mid 1800s till the empire's colapse after WW1. The A-H empire used Pula as a naval base. Pula is on the Istria penninsula. The North west part of the Penninsula was part of Slovenia and the rest was part of Croatia. Pula is in the south west part of the penninsula. The Italians occupied it for a while after the Austrians.
- 66.66.193.71 - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 19:20:20 (UTC)

Bine:
Hallo.Ich bin neu auf dieser Seite und hoffe mir kann jemand helfen.......
Ich suche dringend Adressen aus Freudenberg,bzw.Telefon oder E-Mail Adresse. Kann jemand helfen ????
- 194.105.40.74 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:02:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Somebody help Bine please? Trix-Ridy//
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:25:28 (UTC)

Marilu1030:
Bine..Are you Bine1207 from Aol? Did I chat with you a couple of years ago??? About the Neppl name?
- 152.163.201.203 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 20:18:12 (UTC)

Irene:
Bine,
The austrian phone directory is online at http://www.etb.at/
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:02:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Girls....
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:15:11 (UTC)

Irene:
Bine, Sorry I gave you the wrong directory, try this site:

http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/wwphone/world.html
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:17:07 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I just received the web address for the Alpine Club in Kitchener, which was founded by my father. Hope you'll all check it out. All the details concerning the Gottscheer Treffen this year can be found on the site.
http://www.alpineclub.ca/
- 64.229.235.220 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:49:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, I hear you. What is Freudenberg, a village, city, a name or ??? Would love to help but don't think I know how.
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:48:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Bine, ist Freudenberg ein Name oder ein Dorf oder Stadt? M�chte gerne helfen aber zur Zeit wei� nicht ob es m�glich ist. Bitte schreibe mehr. Herzlichst aus Minnesota.
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:49:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, thank you. Can't wait to visit the web site. Hope all is GREAT in Toronto. Very cooooool here. Had 36� F this morning but I think it go up to 45�F.
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:50:43 (UTC)

Trix:
HAPPY FRIDAY EVERYONE!
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:54:26 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi, everyone, Happy Friday to you also. If Bine does not read English could someone translate my info for him. I read German but my writing is terrible. The lycos site has links to online phonebooks from all over the world. In most of these phone books you can search by a person's name. For small countries such as Austria or Slovenia you can just put in the person's last name and see what turns up. This is especially useful if you looking for distant relatives living in certain countries.
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 23:08:08 (UTC)

Irene:
I forgot to say in most cases the name of the village, city etc. is not necessary except if you are looking for a common name entering both nsurname and village will narrow the number of names the computer will give back to you.
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 23:11:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix-You know that i have absolutely NO expertise in this, but it sounds like Irene has the right idea in the message before this one I'm sending you.I am also willing to bet that Freudenberg is both a surname and place..I would call my cousin Frank jaklitsch in Florida to ask him, but I know he retires to bed early.. Good Luck-always nice to hear from you Trix.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:23:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Saturday to you all...Lazy day here in N.Y.Raining and kind of nasty, after thr heat we had for a few days...Hope Bine got the info he was looking for..It is Italian nite again tonite..gotta get ready to go.Have any Olive Garden Resataurants where you guys are? That's where we are headed.Gonna meet with the Kren Family, anither one of my great Gottscheer relatives...Have a happy everyone...
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 19:29:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. Eat for me too. We do not have that restaurant close but I see the great ads all the time. From where in Gottschee are the Krens from? Enjoy the evening and easy on the wine, particularly if you are driving ok?
- 216.251.178.34 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 21:34:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix: Did not go to restaurant- my stomach just made that decision for me, and I had to cancel.Mynephew Kren is the son of Alois Kren form(and I know this spelling is wrong) but he is from -Pronounced Marjon- I forget how it is spelled, but i know it is nothing like it sounds, at least in English anyway..My brother-in law alois (louie) was one of my best friends. His brother Ferdel was a big meat purveyor in Gottschee.Louie married my wifes sister Emma jaklitsch who came from Verderb..Thry are now both gone-miss them something awful-when I made the Ville, my kids said that it tasted just like Aunt Emma used to make.That was a big compliment for me...Do you know any Krens?
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 23:42:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix- Me again..Is it spelled Maschern?
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 23:45:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul: What would you say to Malgern? I believe there is an Alois Kren from Malgern in the Resettlement records.

Yes, I know Ludwig Kren, the famous author and former editor of the Gottscheer Zeitung. He lives in Austria.
- 216.251.169.9 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 00:53:29 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think Paul means Massern
- 64.229.235.238 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 02:03:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy & Trix--That Massern looks more like it Ridy-I might have seen it that way on the Gottscheer map once.You mentioned Zeitung Trix and it brought back a memory of when Ferdel was here from Gottschee on a visit. I think I might have mentioned that he stopped by my Italian restaurant that I owned back in the fifties..Well when he got back home someone sent us the newspaper from Gottschee in which he had written an article about his USA visit and he criticised how we lived with houses so close to one another, and some other things too.He of course was talking about Ridgewood and Glendale where the houses were on small plots close together..The Gottscheers who were living here then were quite upset about that. I never thought he said it as an insult-he was used to larger plots of land,,Had I known then, I would have taken him out to the suburbs on long Island and showed him the larger pieces of property..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 04:09:12 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. Now I know why you love the Italian Food. Not only are you of Italian heritage but owned a restaurant too. No doubt it was excellent cuisine.

Do you remember the month and year when your friend visited and wrote about it in the Zeitung? Would be fun to try to find the article and read it again.

They are predicting up to 7 inches of snow in the southern part of Minnesota with perhaps 1 or 2 up here. It has been a weird month. I wonder what it means for the rest of the summer. Of course, I remember quite a few fishing season openers in Minnesota when it snowed and was very nasty and that is in the middle of May. Enjoy a wonderful Sunday and Danke for sharing. Hi Ridy!!!
- 216.251.178.21 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 11:19:29 (UTC)

Paul B,:
Happy Sunday Trix...Just scalled Frank in Fl, and he thinks that freudenberg is an Austrian name.He is going to a German Picnic in Fl. today-he and lorraine work the ticket booth there sometimes. He said he would ask Mitzi Hauck about the year thatFerdel was here. Adie tells me that ferdel said that the houses were cheaply made here because they were made of plaster board instead of stucco. So as soon as I get the exact year, I will let you know..Incidently, do you recognize the name BENCIN? Frank thinks that might have been Italian influence..I remember then father and/or son Frank Bencina..I am sure they used to say Tante Bencina..They owned a noodle factory in B'klyn, N.Y. Cousin Frank says that one son Tommy Bencin belongs to either GHGA or some other Gottscheer Historical Society..Recognize any of this? As for the Italian food, I am afraid it doesn't like me too much.But I did own and cook in my own restaurant...I like all foods, as long as it likes me-which is not always the case.That is a curse for people who like to eat as I do....That's life...Gotta go-have some Sunday chores today....Will try to catch you on tonite, hopefully....Enloy your day..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 16:38:29 (UTC)

Paul B,:
P,S. Trix, I guess my food was good down home cooking, unlike some of the Italian dishes they make today that are Amercanized.I know my Gottscheer relatives and friends always came in to eat..It was a succcessful restaurant= I made Pizza too.I have to tell you a Gottscheer story about my restaurant, when I was tending bar for thr first three years, before i went into the Kitchen..I'll save that story for now..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 16:45:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you Paul for your great story sharing. They are fun to read. You are correct about Tom Bencin. He is indeedd of Gottscheer heritage and also wrote the marvelous story about Gottschee and the Gottscheers. I believe he wrote it while completing his Master Thesis at one of the New York Universities and then generously donated it to the GHGA for publication. We have sold many, many copies and he wrote it in such a way that it was easy to follow and easy to understand. We have received many wonderful comments regarding the publication. It is still available for purchase.
- 209.240.245.102 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 17:33:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening everyone, How is everyone doing tonight?
- 206.172.22.158 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 00:49:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
the weather here is not too bad. At least there is no snow so far.
- 206.172.22.158 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:05:55 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Just a quick hello. Am "hanging out" with my 11 yr old grandson, while grandpa and father turkey hunt. Hope all had a super week. Cold in KCMO AC on last Sun--heat back on yesterday.
- 64.154.126.33 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:26:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good evening to everyone.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:37:59 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Paul, did your wife and sister in law come from Unterdeutschau? What was the name of the restaurant and where was it located? I don't know if you said it before but I might have missed it.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:39:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good evening...how is everyone...weather here is beautiful today. We actually got a little bit of moisture here on Friday.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:39:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Marilu. How is everything in your neck of the woods?
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:41:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from the winter wonderland at Waukenabo. Have about 2 inches of snow and coming down like crazy. To the south, around the Twin Cities they expect 7 inches. Is it going to be a weird year or what? Hope everyone is doing well. So, what's new?
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:41:53 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I hope we have seen the last of the snow. Too warm ---- I hope.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:42:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, am I up to date with you? One itty bitty more fact and we can finish up with the Matzelle connection. Have you heard anything?
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:44:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, before I forget I need to tell you that I am re-reading your book. I love the section on the customs of the Gottscheers. That part alone would make a very good booklet. As you know we have talked about the various holidays many times in this chat room - you cover so beautifully. Think about it?
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:44:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim and Trix...It was only 25 here this morning but our moisture came down as rain yesterday. We need lots more tho.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:45:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - NO but that is only my fault. No time or energy so far but tell you what, I will dig out the file right now, put on the table and take care of it tomorrow. Promise!!!
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:45:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim. Did you get the Spring issue of the Gottscheer Connection yet? You should be very proud after you look at the list of new members. You worked with quite a few of them. Thank You.
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:46:48 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Should be in the fifties or so all week during the day and thirties at night. I can deal with that. Not much snow this winter and we won't be getting any this spring.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:52:58 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I will check my mail pile. I think it came in last week but I am not sure.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:53:22 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend, all ~
Just woke up in time to join you! Visited downtown today and got myself all tired out. Cold here - expecting snow. Guess we're being punished for something! But it looks beautiful out with the daffodils and forsythia in full bloom. I wanted relief from the heatwave, but this is ridiculous!
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:53:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Just in case you missed my posting of the Alpine Club web site address, here it is again
http://www.alpineclub.ca/
You'll find all the information for the Gottscheer Treffen over the Labor Day weekend on it.
Also just got my notice for the Gottscheer Volksfest in New York on June 2. Sounds like a good excuse for a visit to New York!
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:58:20 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I hope my life is not so busy next year, and maybe I can make it to some of those things. I have two trips planned to Minnesota already this year.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:00:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy - checked out the web site. It is beautifully done and the information on the Treffen is informative and complete. Should be a good time for everyone. I like the idea of having it at the hotel. Makes it so much easier for all.
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:02:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Why would you want to go to Minnesota????? :)
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:03:10 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim...family...that is where I am from. There is a Neppl reunion this summer, and an Underberg one in Iowa. And my neice is getting married in September. lololol busy busy busy
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:04:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Only joshing. Been there once in the Twin Cities. Very nice place. Don't know about the more northern reaches.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:12:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I know you were. lol You know my plans got changed for New York, but someday we are going to plan that again. I am not a big city girl, so I like the northern reaches just fine!
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:15:05 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Just thought I would drop by and say "HI" to everyone. Lot's of snow and rain here in Utah this week. Much needed moisture, but not enough to avert a drought situation. We haven't had good moisture for the last 3 years. Hope this note finds everyone fine.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:17:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, John. Good to see you back.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:19:39 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yes, John - Welcome Back!
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:21:40 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Have you been working on any thing particular lately, Jim!
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:21:53 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Ridy,
How are things in Canada? Hope your family is well. Thanks again for the nice Easter update. That was very nice.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:23:34 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi John. I live in beautiful Colorado and it is dry here also.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:26:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
What town do you live in Marilu? I have cousins that live in Loveland!
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:28:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
John, working on this and that. Looking over the Altlag marriage file and seeing what fits in the file. Still going through some of the Ellis Island information whenever Trix sends me on a search. Linked up boyhood friends who had not seen each other since 1950. One lives in Pennsylvania and the other in Germany. That is a good feeling.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:30:20 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sorry about all the dry conditions you're experiencing, people. Guess we've been hoarding the wet stuff because our lake levels are supposed to be back to normal later this year. Don't know why 'later' -- we've had enough rain to fill a couple of extra lakes, I think! The marina operators are apparently ecstatic
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:30:27 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
John, I live in Canon City so they are a little north of me.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:31:38 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Marilu,
If I remember right that is a very beautiful area. Loveland is quite a nice area and very close to the mountains. The area is much like Ogden, Utah, but we don't quite have forest that, that part of Colorado has.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:34:58 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have a couple of cousins in Utah also, but don't remember what town right now.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:36:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Marilu,
Did your Gottscheer ancestors settle in the Western US or is that just of late? My family settled in central Wyoming near the town of Shoshoni. My Great Uncles settled in the area and my Grandfather followd in 1912. It is said that my 2nd Great Grandfather came to the US and wanted to settle in the US, but his wife didn't want to come. So he instead sent his son's. All but two of the 8 brothers came to the US. All came at different times and probably varied reasons.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:40:50 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My Peschel family settled in Iowa and Nebraska in the 1870-1880's. I am in Colorado by way of Minnesota where I grew up. lol We like to travel I guess.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:42:19 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Were they cattle ranchers or farmers, etc. I believe there was a Pesche they owned a sale ring in Riverton, WY. Did any of your ancestors drop the L in their name?
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:44:41 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
They were farmers. I don't think any of them dropped the L, but it was spelled Peshel and Peschel, and sometimes with an A instead of E. I do have two brothers in wyoming, last name is Underberg. One lives in Douglas and one in New Castle.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:48:11 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Did they move to Wyoming during the depression or precipitated moving to Wyoming? There were a lot of Missouri folks and many from Kansas who came during the Dust Bowl years to the Riverton/Shoshoni area of Wyoming during this period. They couldn't make a living and came west to a lot of the Reclamation projects.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:52:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
In my research, I discovered a lot of Gottscheer families settled in Waterford Township, Clinton co, Iowa.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:52:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
No, my brothers have only been in Wyoming about 20 years. I have been in Colorado about 30 years now.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:54:00 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
That's very interesting about the settlements in Iowa. I always thought most Gottscheers settled in New York City and Ohio. That is where most of my grandfathers family settled. It is interesting to here the stories of others who settled in areas you would never dream of. I guess many of them went where they would be accepted or where people would have them. My Grandfather was fortunate that he had family they kind of plowed the way for him.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:55:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My great-grandfather came here in 1882, and he had family who came ahead of him also. the ones that settled in waterford Township started coming in the 1860's. A branch of my Peschel family was among them. However my great grandfather settle in western Iowa, and then moved to Nebraska.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:57:36 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Are your brother's farmers or what do they do for a living? My brother lives in a little place called Huntley, not far from the Nebraska border. He farms, ranches, and raises horses. It is possible they may know them. Especially if the raise registered stock.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:59:27 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Where in Nebraska did they settle? My Grandmothers mother was born in Madison Co., Iowa and then there family eventually settled in Box Butte County.
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:01:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My brother in New Castle works for the state youth center, and the one in douglas worked for a trailer sales place, and then at the high school in maintaince. Is retired from that and has his own rental equipment business now.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:02:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Peschels settled in Osmond which is close to Norfolk Nebraska. Are still some of them living there now. My grandparents moved to Minnesota, and so that is how I grew up there.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:04:20 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Very interesting, Marilu. It's interesting how immigrants come to be in certain places. My Mom's father came from France and was recruited as sheepherder. He eventually started his own ranch and settled in the same area that he was recruited to.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:09:51 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Well I better let you go. It was nice chatting with you Marilu. Have a nice evening.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:11:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes, I have found it very interesting also. Some of the early Gottscheers settled in Chicago, and also several different places in Minnesota. I have learned a lot of history doing all of this digging. And I guess it is time to call it a night. See you all next week.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:12:04 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Goodnight!
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:12:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Practice is over and I am up..Anyone still around?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:35:24 (UTC)

paul B.:
Hi Jim-My restaurant was called Dream Restaurant and was in Bethpage, on Long Island//Am I right in thinking that maybe you thought it was in Ridgewood or Glendale?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:50:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim: Just saw your question-My wife Adeline (Adie) was born here,lived in B'klyn, ridgewood and Glendale where I met her im my fathers' candy store on Cooper Ave. Her sisters Emma & Emily & brother Rudolph were born in Verderb in Gottschee,They were all Jaklitsch.Emma marrirf Alois Kren, and Emily Married John Rabuse..From Massern and Beuchel...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 04:03:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Paul,
My uncle Heinrich a widower married a widow, Herta Jaklitsch. Her husband died at a young age. Any relation?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 13:18:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Irene, I don't think so. The names are not familiar. But I will ask my cousin Frank today--Have a nice day..
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 13:50:13 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
Good evening. About the residents of Gottscheer and the surrounding area: Were they Catholic, Lutherian, Jewish or something else?
- 152.163.194.206 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 02:29:10 (UTC)

Trix:
I am pretty sure that probably 100% were Catholic. The Gottscheers practiced their religion faithfully and believed deeply. An interesting pesonal observation: In 1984 I made my first visit to Tschermoschnitz, Gottschee the area of my birth. While visiting the beautiful, big, old church you could clearly see the grooves in the wooden kneeling benches from heavy usage throughout the many, many years. It was quite a site because our parents talked about kneeling on the wooden boards often. I think their deep faith was the strength of the Gottscheers, particularly the women.

The first time I ever heard of a Lutheran was in nearly K�rnten where I lived from 1946 to 1952. Even there the people would point a finger and say: He or she is a Luthern. How times have changed!!!
- 209.240.245.83 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 02:57:15 (UTC)

Russell:
When I was little and my mother would say the name EISENZOPF I always got the idea that her father was German-Jewish. I have nothing against being Jewish. But I've wondered if I had relatives that died in the contration camps.
- 152.163.194.199 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 04:06:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell. I too am under the impresion that Gottschee was 100% Catholic. Although I haven't met many outside my immediate family, I have never met a Jewish Eisenzopf. I married a Jewish man and that may have confused you when we corresponded initially. However, I am Catholic. I do have an interesting story. I found an Eisenzopf on the Internet who lives in Austria. We started to correspond. It turns out that his grandfather was the illegitmate son of one of my great aunts. For obvious reasons she moved from Gottschee to Austria. When Hitler came along, he wanted prove of "germanicity" for several generations back. the illegitmate child (now an adult) had no such proof and he had very little knowledge if any where his mother immigrated from. It was a big mess and potentially a very dangerous situation. The situation did resolve itself successfully. The neighbors voched for them and they may have found some information connecting them with their Gottschee roots.

My genealogy information is from the baptismal information going as far back has the 18th century. Also you mentioned that there were lots of Eisenzopfs working for the papal court. I have the impression (although no facts to back it up), that recently converted Jews would not have been allowed to work in the p. court back then.
One more thought, my mother never mentioned the existence of any other churches or sinagoge in Gottschee except the Catholic church.
Does anyone know if there were protestant churches in Gottschee.?

Russell, do you have any information you can share about the papal court Eisenzopfs? I think that would be very interesting to know.

I have been a practicing Catholic all my life, but I haven't gone to church in the last two weeks since this scandal just keeps on getting worse. I am truly sick over it.

- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 13:25:33 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell,

One more thought. If there were Jews in Gotschee, during the undersiedlung period, the Jews would have been rounded up and taken to a concentration camp or shot. There is no mention of anything like this happening in the records of Gottshcee. Ironically, The Germans were fanatical about keeping records of Jewish culture they destroyed.

I need to spend the rest of the day writing my dissertation.
This was a fun break.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 13:35:31 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell, I will look for any excuse not to work on my dissertation. I just checked a couple of Internet data babases concerning lists of Jewish surnames. The name "Eisenzopf" always comes up with "zero hits." So we can assume that Eisenzopf is not a Jewish surname. Now I really must get some work done.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 14:16:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene!
Get thee to thy desk, woman, and finish that dissertation!

Wish I had said that to my husband more often -- getting my PhT (Putting hubby Through)seemed to take forever and a day!

- 64.229.236.51 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 14:47:06 (UTC)

Russell:
As far as Eisenzopf being Jewish, that is just a guess on my part. The name sounds like it might be Jewish. All I know about my grandfather and his family is what my mother has told me, I don't have any documention to back it up. But most of what documention I have backs what what I've been told.
- 209.240.222.132 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 15:25:49 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks Ridy, I'm having a hard time concentrating today. As proof of my lack of concentration I did the following:

Russell you may be interested in this. I checked the Italian phone book. There are no Eisenzopf's listed. I checked the Swiss phone book, thinking that the Eisenzopf's may have been papal guards but there were no Eisenzopf's listed in the Swiss phone book. There is one Eisenzopf listed in the German phone directory and several Eisenzopf's listed in the Austrian phone book.
Now I'm not touching the Internet comuter for several hours.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 17:01:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Irene: Just wanted to add my two cents-Haven't been able to catch my cousin i Florida yet,to ask about Heinrich and herta-But I do remember asking him about Eisenzopf a short time ago, and he immediately said "That is a Gottscheer name."
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 21:42:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix and Ridy--hope yor day is going well=just got back from early dan inner-catching up on the Gottscheer news... P,S, You will never guess what we ate-AGAIN! I am really going to look like a spaghetti bender......
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 22:00:59 (UTC)

Russell:
Before I start looking in German and Austrian phone books, I am going to look up in Americian phone books. I'd like to find local cousins instead of foreign ones.
- 152.163.197.48 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 23:10:48 (UTC)

:
Russell,

The easiest way to look for American relatives is by using Yahoo.com. There is a small paragraph of links. Click on "people search". Eisenzopf, Eisenzapf is such an unusual name that you don't have to put in anything else. It should give you a listing of these names, their addresses, telephone# for all over the country. It will even give you a map showing you where they live. I think this last bit of information is scary. Sometime I'll tell you about a crazy lady who sent my husband arsenic disguised as a nutrional supplement. I threatned lawsuits to get our name off of the Yahoo listings. (The lady was arrested and died in prison of a pre-existing cancerous condition.)
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 23:48:33 (UTC)

Irene:
It was me who sent the last message.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 23:49:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to one and all. You have been busy exchanging interesting and important information. For me it continuous to be a learning arena, like Yahoo.com to find other people GREAT TOOL and I thank you.

We had a beautiful day in Minnesota. Need to finish raking. So Paul, what was the meal tonight? Oh, come on, tell us.
- 209.240.245.111 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 00:19:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix- My darling Adie wanted to treat tonite-she went to the doctor who gave her a treatment that made her hear better-and she wanted to celebrate=so she took me and Peter out....I had angel hair pasta with red clam sauce, cappucinno with Kaluah, and A nice chunk of Tirimusu.The best part of it all was that my stomach accepted it without a problem..Oh, and to be a sport I paid the tip! Aint I good?
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 00:34:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I hardly call my dinner an interesting info, but that was the most exciting thing I did today. And I do agree with Trix,because by reading the results you all get, it is a learning experience...And for that we thank you all...Now in a little while I promised to watch 2 hours of Philly..don't know if I can stand it, but it will be interesting to see how well Adie can hear now..And if it doesn't work, she said she wants to take her treat back!Vadumpt!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 00:43:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Lesson to be learned from you Paul is that I am not ITALIAN. Don't know what the h--- you all ate but sounds great. Now do the lesson for tonight. What is it that you ate? Describe PLEASE. No Philly for me - instead I am watching Amy and come to think of it No Amy either because Philly will take over. Darn it.
- 209.240.245.111 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 01:53:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
O.K. Trix-Here goes....Adie and Peter (Mymiddle son) had a Gorgonzola Salad it is made of dandelions-Oriccio-baby spinach-crutons-Garnished with vinegar & oil and Gorgonzola cheese ,something like Feta cheese cubes, except it is like Blue Cheese. I had Straccietteli soup--Chicken broth with strips of spinach...Adie had Calamari(fried rings of egg battered squid) with Marinara sauce....Peter had Scallops Francais ( Broiled scallops in a butter lemon sauce) Me I had angel hair pasta with red clam sauce.Very thin spaghetti garnished with chopped clams that are first sauteed in garlic and oil and than added to a marinara tomatoe sauce.That happens to be one of my Italian cooking specialties--noone makes it like I do-Yes I am bragging, The way I make clam sauce white or red is with a lot of TLC, and they would have to charge you twice what they charge for their idea of that dish//Ask any of my Gottscheers that eat my clam sauce and they will concur...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 03:37:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank You Paul. WOW an impressive selection of good food. I particularly liked the dandelion salad. We ate that in Gottschee and Austria too. Usually my mother cut up a boiled potato and made it with vinegar/oil dressing. Always liked it. I, too, cook a lot of Gottscheer dishes. One of my favorites is Buarmei eapfle mit schaurei kumalein (warm fried potatoes with sour cucumbers). Of course a nice piece of chicken or steak goes well with it but does not necessarily have to be.

Paul, THANK YOU for the lesson. Now, when can I come for dinner and enjoy your specialty? Would be so great!!!
- 216.251.178.9 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 13:47:45 (UTC)

Dan:
GOOD MORNING TO ALL! I hope everyone has a nice Wednesday. The weather here in Northwestern NJ is beautiful. I hope it's the same where you are. All the talking that you all do about food is making me VERY HUNGRY! I only understand English so I'm glad for the English translations. I will be at Hawley Penn. in June so I hope to be able to meet you all.My Granddaughter is calling me so gotta go! Be back late
- 64.21.106.4 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 14:33:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well I read over the transcript and to Russell, the name Eisenzopf is German, and my relatives were Catholic. Their birth records show that they were baptized and when Dad was born here they had him baptized Catholic here at the Catholic church. Also go into Ancestry.com and in the Eisenzopf forum you can retrieve Eisenzopf phone numbers for the US and Overseas there. Thats where I got my information.
- 206.172.22.182 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 19:08:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Everyone----Ridy, I just closed your book on pg,188..Anyone ever tell you it could be a big hit as a TV series? And Trix, you come to New York some day, and who knows you may like my spaghetti with clam sauce!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, what is going on in Hawley in June? Spent some time there thru the years while my in-laws were still with us...I think I have eaten in every restaurant there...I used to live to take long walks with my cousin frank when we used to go there...Real nice country environment--loved it...Emma and Louie had a nice split level house on a 200x200 piece of land..Of all the places, I think I liked Lukans the best...Those were the good old days!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:22:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Anyone familiar with the Dug Out in Hawley My brother-in-law Rudy Jaklitsch hung out there....Don't think I ever went there, but heard it mentioned lots of times//
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:27:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul -
Page 188, eh? You still have a ways to go, and the worst is yet to come. And the best, of course.
Yes -- several people have told me they thought it would make a great movie - and I'd certainly settle for a TV series - but until now, nobody has made us a serious offer.
Maybe we should shop it around! In fact, I just had an e-mail from Austria, suggesting I translate it into German!!! Now that will be the day. . . . .
- 64.229.252.124 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:41:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix, Iwas just reading your message again..Yuo know, Adie puts boiled potato in our salad too- I always thought that was her invention-I guess it is a Gottscheer thing-I love potato in any which shape or form..Trymy mothers' receipe some time....In a pot put in some oil and fry onions in it,,When the onions are as brown as you like them(Ilike them blanched) add sliced potato and half cover with water and cook untill done. You may balk at the idea of oil(like Adie used to when we were first married) but give it a try, you will be pleasantly surprised...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:51:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix: Just got a little more info on Ferdel Kren..His visit here was in 1957, so it was after that visit when he wrote the article in the Gottscheer Zeitung--let me know what you find out.He also had a store in Klagenfurt where he sold meat products, besides the provision trucks that delivered to stores...In masern in Gottschee the house # was 25....Had a zillion dollar(That, of course is my exaggeration) mansion built in Gottschee. As I understand it, the business went down some and his son held on to some of it..Let me know if you get the story in the paper about his ctricising the houses here.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 01:04:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Paul sounds like your Mother does the samething that my Hubby's Grandmother makes except she uses a frying pan. We just had that 2 weeks ago. My Hubby keeps hinting at me to make perogies. One of these days.
- 206.172.22.93 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 03:56:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sharon-When this dish is made in the frying pan, its' really what the diners call home fries, and I happen to love home fries as side dish-or substitute for a veggie-the one made in the pot is a different taste all together. The way you mentioned is made on the grill by most diners. I make them in the fry pan with fried eggs and/or in an omolet. Try it in the pot sometime-don't forget the water!
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 04:27:11 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix,
Where in Karnten did you live? My aunt lives in Spittal an der Drau.
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 15:43:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning Irene. I am glad to see that you are taking a break from your dissertation. It is ok to do so.
I lived in Altfinkenstein, near the Faaker See near Villach, not at all far from Spittal an der Drau. Have been there numerous times and have visited the Gottscheer Museum located in the old castle there. Perhaps your aunt could check it out to see if it is still in place. They did a nice job arranging their collection.

It is very cold at Waukenabo. We have 29� degrees and trying hard to snow. Along with that we have very strong north winds. So, for the day at least, winter has returned. Unbelievable!

Suggestion for the day: Make yourself a nice cup of Gottscheer tea - Kamillen Tee mit Zitrone, H�nig und ein bi�chen Zucker or Kamillen tea with lemon, honey and a little sugar. You will enjoy it.

Good luck.
- 216.251.178.24 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 16:03:51 (UTC)

:
Trix, Yes you can tell I'm hovering over the plauderzimmer making excuses not to work. I've been to Villach and the Faaker See. I have also been to the Gottscheer museum. I have never been to Altfinkenstein.

We have unusual weather here in Albany as well. It is supoose to rain for the next several hours. We really do need the rain. The temperature is in the 50s today. Two weeks ago it was 90 degress. I'm surprised that my flowers are doing as well as they have.

Thanks for the tee suggestion. I have all the ingredients. I haven't had Kamillen tee made exactly that way since childhood.

Thanks for the moral support. I'm going to take my tea and go upstairs to do some writing. You are very sweet.
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 16:20:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: Time for another break, then more tea and more typing.

Picture yourself in Villach looking south. You will see the huge Karawanken Mountain Range (also border with Slovenia) Nestled at the foot of the range is Baumgartnerhof, a motel/restaurant/farm complex. There are only 3 houses in this part. The remains of the Ruine Finkenstein ist just below Baumgartnerhof. The view from there to the valley below including Villach, the W�rthersee and even the Hohen Tauern Mountain Range (Salzburg on the other side) is fantastic. I loved living there, love returning there, have wonderful memories from there but am happy and peaceful in Minnesota too.

Irene, back to the computer. Keep plugging away.
- 209.240.245.149 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 18:40:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I am glad to see that you girls take a break every so often-this is my break right now-Having a nasty weather day here too-maybe i will hVE SOME TEA TOO. I SAW KARNTEN MEBTIONED. My cousin Frank mentioned Karnten yesterday when I called him about the Ferdel Kren info...Can't remember exactly what was connected toKarnten, maybe it was one of Ferdels stores or other business..Can you put Karnten and Ferdel Kren together in any way Trix?
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 19:45:17 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Patrick,
I did a very quick search for you and I found this web site:

http://www.newyorksoccer.com/clubs.htm

It states that Blau Weiss has a division B which is "over 30". They give a contact phone # 609-688-8365. There is a link "schedules" in the left hand side. I clicked on this link and the schedules are for 2001.
- 66.66.193.120 - Friday, April 26, 2002 at 14:30:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. Good that you took another break and check in. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

Paul: Found the article about your friend Ferdl Kren but it was published in 1958. Have not had a chance to read it but it is a biggie. Will need to be translated from the German. Any ideas who could do it? I shall be glad to send you a copy of the original article.

Will try to glance it tonight. Hectic day until then.

Take care everybody and stay warm. Still quite coooool here.
- 216.251.169.30 - Friday, April 26, 2002 at 19:50:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Sunday to you Trix-Thanks for the offer-If you can and have the time-yes, I would like a copy of the article-Cousin Frank will be up from Florida in a few days and he will interpret..Thank You-If you lost my address:Paul Brasino 331 Boundary Ave. Bethpage, N.Y. 11714..Thanks again and have a great day.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 16:49:40 (UTC)

pat:
irene, good evening, was reading your postings about eisenzophs/eisenzaphs, my grandmothers name was josepha eisenzaph on my fathers marriage certificate, i also would like to find info on her
- 204.186.25.33 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 00:40:54 (UTC)

pat:
irene, if any info on a josepha eisenzaph post something here and now and then i do go in here to check things out, thanks
- 204.186.25.33 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 00:41:48 (UTC)

pat:
trix, good evening to you, been thinking about you, and wanted to let you know that me and my daughter are doing fine and taking one day at a time
- 204.186.25.33 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 00:42:27 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
Good evening I have the day off. whoopie-de-doo!
Pat, what do you have on Eisenzaph/Eisenzopf?

- 64.12.105.182 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:03:08 (UTC)

pat:
russell, that was my grandmothers maiden name and she was from gottschee krain
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:05:56 (UTC)

pat:
pat: going to say goodnight will tune in next week, have a good week
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:09:48 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. Monsoon type rains yesterday, but sunny today.
- 65.58.55.210 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:10:40 (UTC)

pat:
russell, before i hit the hay just wanted to say that my grandmother josepha eisenzaph stonitsch was born 1858 in gottschee krain
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:12:34 (UTC)

Russell:
My grandfather's name was Joseph. He was born in Italy in 1892. His father was born in the "area north of Italy" as my mother puts it. I'm not sure (and neither is my mother) exactly what his last name was because between him and his brothers there were 4 differnt variations of the name used.
- 64.12.105.182 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:12:54 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello everyone, Trix, thanks as usual for the encouraging words.
Pat tell me a little more about your grandmother Josephina. When and where was she born? did she come to the states? Is so, when? Who did she marry?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:14:28 (UTC)

Irene:
Cruious, Is either Pat or Margaret any relation to Patrick Jonke who wanted to know about the over 30 soccer team?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:20:24 (UTC)

pat:
irene, my grandmother was born 1858 in hohonegg, passport i have is dated april 3, 1913 whether that was the first time she came over i don't know, she married a mathias stonitsch, possibly changed name to stanitsch, and then when i was born my father changed spelling of last name to stonish
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:20:44 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Don't think we have a Patrick Jonke in the family tree. Have cousins on 2 sides, as my oma was Jonke before and after marriage.
- 65.58.55.210 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:24:03 (UTC)

Irene:
My great Aunt Julie had two sisters and one brother my grantdfather Franz. One of the sister's name was Josehpine.. The name of the third sister escapes me but she married a Meditz. They were all from Hohenegg #17.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:24:06 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Wish I could stay on longer. Must log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.58.55.210 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:25:41 (UTC)

pat:
irene, my fathers brothers name was fred/franz he was a jeweler, and my aunts name was sohie/josepa who married a jacklitsch
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:26:05 (UTC)

Irene:
My great Aunt Julie lived to be very old. Howver, her sisters both died relatively young but they did marry.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:26:15 (UTC)

pat:
irene, sorry that i have to sign off but i must hit the hay, i will talk to you about this again, good talking to you and have a good week
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:28:03 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello, made it on tonight.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:32:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Pat, My great Aunt Josepfa was born 1881.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:34:29 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Did a quick look at the log tonight and I may have some info for Pat.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:34:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Sharon, Good to have you aboard.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:35:06 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, What info do you have?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:35:49 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I wrote do some quick infor on Eisenzopfs from the microfilm but just from the right side of the book. It came from film #1346982. I have Josepha Eisenzopf b.7/5/1858 married in 1882 to Stomisch b. 1/9/1846. Now thats the best I could read from the films. The names weren't very clear but I did my best to translate.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:37:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I believe it was from page 177 rightside if she obtains the film and wants to look it up.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:38:53 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene How is your paper coming?
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:41:15 (UTC)

Irene:
It is coming along so slowly but steadily, I'm getting discouraged. Thanks for asking.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:43:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Just think its almost over
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:43:30 (UTC)

Irene:
Yes, I hope to be finished a year from May.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:44:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well summer is coming so you can relax and not think about it

- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:45:13 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, Does your work slow down in the summer?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:46:23 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
NO we get the tourist here. Nice thing about living on the border.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:47:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
next month fishing season opens up. The third weekend in May
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:48:08 (UTC)

Irene:
I have a wonderfull curry chicken salid recipe I would like to share. Buty encough chiken breast and microwave. Sprinkle in hot and mild curry to taste. Salt, peper, seedless grapes, celery, nuts and low fat mayonase. Mix well. Taste better if made a day ahead.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:49:38 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I found J.Eisenzopf b. 14/1/1854 married 8/9/1879 to Maria Jonke b.4/3/1861 if anyone was interested
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:51:00 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening everyone. Have had very busy but productive day. No, no, Irene, this is no time to "get discouraged". Getting to this point in your heavy duty studies is a GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. Now hammer the d--- thing home and get it done. When you do we will all rejoice and celebrate.

On to another point. I don't know if any of you have followed a posting in the Gottscheer Bulletin Board by a lady from England who found and purchased a sampler created by a Gottscheerin by the name of Maria Eppich, born in 1903 in Lienfeld by the City of Gottschee. Teresa, the lady in England purchased it from e-Bay, was trying to figure out if Lienfeld was a name or a village. With her knowledge of samplers she decided to pursue this matter, went on the Internet, typed in Lienfeld which connected her to the GHGA Web Site. She took it another step further and decided to write a memo to the 9 board members including me. Received a memo like that, of course, was music to my ears and I, too, needed to pursue it further.

Well, turns out that Maria Eppich was indeed born in Lienfeld, never married and died in New York last year at the age of 97. She has 2 sisters still living, one here the other in Austria.

Being Gottscheer born myself finding this kind of work which was created at a very young age, and taught is schools, is quite a find. So am wondering if any of you might be familiar with Samplers which usually include the alphabe, the numbers, the name of the creator and the date. Would be very nice to identify them and perhaps collect them, or at the very least photos of them, for a possible future publication on a book about the Gottscheer Woman.

I would appreciate you asking your family or friends, particularly the older generation to see what you could learn.

Look forward to reading your responses and/or findings. This is exciting stuff!

Enjoy the evening and take care everyone.
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:51:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, Are these all Hohenegg Eisenzopfs?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:52:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Can you stand of curry when you cook it? When we have an order for Curry Chicken I want to run out of the room. I can't stand that smell. Boy it is sure powerful smell.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:52:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene, would you repeat the recipe again. I am a slow learner I guess or a bad reader. Sounds terrific and I would like to try it.

Danke!
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:53:34 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jonke one I think is from Grafenfeld. Is that a town?
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:53:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: is there a sub for curry? I have used it. What does it taste like?
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:54:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I like to make a salad with bacon bits ( real bacon bits ) and steamed chicken breast boneless and skinless. Then I'll pour some ranch dressing on it. Makes a nice light summer meal when its hot out. Plus I'm trying to stop eating some much deep fried food. Not healthy for me.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:56:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I didn't do anything today but Knit. Tell I'm lazy today.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:58:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Sharon, Grafenfeld is a village immediately to the south of the City of Gottschee.
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:58:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
You know I think I better get a map so I know where towns are located.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:59:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
and another to put on my to do list is scribe to GHGA. I better get on things soon
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:00:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, I don't have measurements for this chicken salid but it is wonderful. Buy enough chicken breast that will feed the number of people you invite. I like to use a mixture of hot and mild curry powder but you could use only either one. If using only one kind of curry I would perfer mild because you can keep adding to it until it tastes right to you. Also Ilike to see the yellow color on the chiken. Put in the mayonase,celery, salt and peper to taste,mix. I put in the grapes next to last. I put in the walnuts when everyone is at my house because you would be surprised at the number of people who have food allergies to nuts. If someone has a nut allergy I put the nuts in a separate bowl and tell people to help themselves on their salid.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:02:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thats a good idea about nuts. We have alot of people ask if we use peanut oil at work. We don't because that is so expense and we don't need it.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:04:07 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene did you make any perogies yet? I keep getting bothered about making them.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:05:08 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, I don't know of a sub for curry. Curry is Indian. If you have never used it buy the mild spice and flaver to taste. If you can't find curry, I can send you a bottle.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:06:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
You could make a sub out of it. That sounds really good right now. I would use brown bread subbuns.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:07:25 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri, I haven't made the perogies yet. But I remember our trick about using a glass to cut the dough. I think that is very clever.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:08:22 (UTC)

Irene:
That was a type. It should read "your trick"
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:08:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I just roll out mine and then cut squares about 2 to 3 inches big. place the mix in the center then fold to opposite corners and tuck in the 2 sides and pinch close. Now if I'm right thats the Ukranian way of making them.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:10:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
they should look like rounded off triangles. It takes some time to learn that way. glass is a good way if just starting out.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:11:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I keep the left over dough and roll it out and make squares and cook them up also. I add them to the pot with the perogies. No need to waste.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:13:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri, I will need to make it because my husband loves them.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:14:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
They is people in town here who make them and sell them to the local "corner store". You can but them already cooked or uncooked.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:15:14 (UTC)

Irene:
"The Practice"doesn't seem to be on tonight.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:16:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Has he tried saurkraut perogies? This one is easier to make. But already made saurkraut, your grocery store should have it, and put that in the middle of dough. Just drain it off the day before. I find it to wet to put in the dough. My next door neighbour makes home made saurkraut. Very deliciouse.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:18:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Don't forget the sour cream for the perogies. Thats a must.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:19:28 (UTC)

Irene:
I should try that for myself. My husband doesn't like saurkraut. I had a boss a long time ago who made her own saurkraut. Your right it is delicious.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:20:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
We have good news here. The Cultarama is a go this year. Just think of all the different food I get to eat this year.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:20:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I don't like the Wine Saurkraut that you can buy. I prefer the plain saurkraut.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:21:36 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri, Have you met other Gottscheers in Fort Frances? I found that Gottscheers immigrate in clusters at least.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:22:18 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well time to go and I will talk to you another time. Goodnight and take care.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:22:42 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, Did we loose you are you still with us?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:22:57 (UTC)

Irene:
Good night Sherri, Good to talk with you.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:23:27 (UTC)

Irene:
Good night to anyone still out there.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:25:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Looks like I missed the food session tonite.// Trix I left my address for you but I don't see the message posted here tonite-Did you get it?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 04:00:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul: Saw the address. Thank You. Pages in the mail to you. Enjoy and please share what you learn from them.
- 209.240.245.81 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 17:48:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: It is Monday! Do I hear you clicking away? YES, I DO. Good for you. Stick with it and before you know it, it will be completed.
- 209.240.245.81 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 17:48:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, Thanks for the encouragement. It is greatly appreciated.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 20:09:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy: Only a few pages left to your book.Got a surprise lengthy brreak from work today and read up to page 239..I still say it will make a great TV series...Everyone on this Plauderzimmer who has not bought your book yet should do so now.You have had an extremely interesting life. Among the things i learned from reading, is never to complain about my own childhood, ever again..God love you & yours.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 04:23:31 (UTC)

Trix:
WAY TO GO PAUL. You are a wise man indeed. It does make for wonderful reading. How about all those great photos? We need to encourage all the other Gottscheers who lived through these turbulent times to write about their memories. They are an important component to our history. So, who will be next?
- 216.251.178.7 - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 16:09:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix, You know, when frank comes up from florida for the summer-in just a few days now, I am going to see what interesting Gottscheer stories-history-cultural and otherwise he may have that I might be able to share...My Dear father-inlaw who was in the 1st world war had tpld me many stories-war stories--unfortunately, I cannot repeat the ones i still remember- aint that a kick?
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 04:22:01 (UTC)

Gerry Mantel:
Where do you get this 1936 VHS documentary about Gottschee?
- 216.56.6.238 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 14:44:52 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
To Gerry Mantel:
Send your order to
Mr. Ernst Eppich
(Gottscheer Relief Association)
84-36 267th Street
Floral Park, NY 11001
U. S. A.
Mr. Eppich is the President of the Gottscheer Relief Association.
- 64.229.253.20 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 16:21:21 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello, Thought I would drop in and see how everyone is dong. Weather in Albany is cold and rainy. It has been raining for the last few days. Hope everyone is fine.
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 16:45:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Irene--I am down state, but we have a carbon copy of your weather here. Just finished reading the last few pages of Ridys' book, and now I have to get back to work...Best Regards...........
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 19:16:26 (UTC)

Gerry Mantel:
To Ridy Skyrme: Thanks for the info, regarding the videotape!
- 216.56.6.238 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 14:48:36 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
To Gerry Mantel ~
Are you related to the Mantel family in Kitchener?
- 64.229.233.229 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 14:52:31 (UTC)

Dan:
Just wanted to say hello. I havn't been here for a while. I havn't been feeling well. I miss all the banter about food. Any minute my 7th grandchild will be with us. Maybe today. I hope everyone is well. Is anyone going to Hawley, penn. in June?
- 64.21.105.20 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 17:21:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Dan--Long time--Hope you are feeling OK now-I guess we all get our turn--Congrats on your 7th Grandchild-too bad you can't send a cigar thru the computor--Yes, you did miss some food talk, but I am sure it will come up again. Regards, Paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 20:35:01 (UTC)

franz Schmuck:
Hi anyone who is familiar or knows anthing about a village named mitterdorf by chermoschnitz would appriciate info regaurding same i was born there.

frank Schmuck.
- 66.119.174.159 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 06:08:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks to the great teacher Marilu in Colorado, I have learned to copy and paste a message unto the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer. YIPPEE! A first for this Gottscheerin in Minnesota and for that Marilu I say DANKE, DANKE und noch einmal DANKE. Another huge lesson learned.

Please open the following. The photos are incredible.

A pilot friend told us about this website; it has incredible photographs!

Once at the site, to move through the series of photos, just click on the photo you're currently seeing.

http://www.opensciencenetwork.org/SEPT11/

- 209.240.245.169 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 10:16:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Franz Schmuck. Yes I know the village of Mitterdorf by Tschermoschnitz. Have been there many times and hope to do it many more times. In fact, I was born quite close to Mitterdorf.

Here is my e-mail wyants@mlecmn.net. I would very much enjoy hearing from you. Auf Wiederh�hren und Danke.
- 209.240.245.169 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 10:18:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Dan: I am thinking that there will be quite a few Gottscheers heading for Lukan's in Hawley the last weekend in June. No doubt you know it is the annual meeting of the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. (GHGA) a non-profit association established, 10 years ago this June, for the purposes of preserving "the history, culture and family records of Gottschee", and what a job we have and continue to do too.

If you need any further information let me know. Hope you can join the celebration, not to mention the wonderful food (there is the magic word - food), which is always on the table at Lukan's.

Nice to meet you Dan. Where do you live and to which village or villages in Gottschee might you have a connection?
- 209.240.245.169 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 10:24:19 (UTC)

Dan:
Hi Trix Nice to meet you as well. I have joined the GHGA just recently & health permitting I will be at Hawley Penn. in June. I live in Augusta, New Jersey. Thats in the extreme northwestern part of the state. This is a list of just the villages my grandparents were born in - Widerzug,Bresowitz,Turn,Saderz,Tanzbuchel,Warmberg,Schaeflein,Altenmark,Vertatsch. I am just learning about about my gottscheer heratige. My Mother never talked about it. She was born here & she told me that her parents talked little about it as well. I am sending for Ridy's book so I can learn about what there lives were like. Any help I can get will be ver much appreciated. Thank you so much. Dan
- 64.21.104.126 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 12:44:10 (UTC)

Dan:
Hi Paul, I'll live. I'm felling better now thanks. The 7th grandchild isn't here yet. My daughter in-law is just about ready to pop. Maybe this weekend. We have 3 other grandkids wit