Plauderzimmer Log, Apr. '02 - Oct. '02

Helmuth:
If it's April or October, it's time to roll the logs again. Same as changing the clocks I guess! Have a good week everyone.
- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 11:27:14 (UTC)

Paul B:
Wish everyone a happy productive week.. Russell-You were the late=late crew...Jim=I.m used to saying "the Usual" , T"the norm"..But from now on I will use Life Affirming activities, thank you-and after all, aint it the truth? And Helmuth, of course Thank You once again-very much....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 13:10:03 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
I'm not going to be able to make the Sunday Night Chats for a while. For at least the next 3 weeks I'll be working 4p- 12m shift EDT and the earliest I'll be home will be 1:30am EDT which I think is 5:30 UTC, so I'll be floating around.
- 152.163.194.193 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 16:33:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Give it a shot Russell-sometimes i am still up at that hour..Somebody is sure to say,"What can you talk about at that hour"....I have had thos crazy hours all my life, since I moved to bethpage,L.I. Sometimes I think it was a curse..But, you know what they say"If you hang long enough, you get used to that too"........Guess I've been hanging long enough-I accept it as a fact of life-have always been a night person because of work hours, Quest e' la vida!!!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 08, 2002 at 17:50:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I know Russell is not home yet..Anyone about?11:30 P.M. in N.Y.
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:34:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Paul ~
I was just coming to switch off the computer. . . you're a night owl like I am, it seems. It's been a miserable day here, part of it due to rain, which will stick around until Wednesday. But it's getting warmer, and that's good. Your Yankees took our Jays to the cleaners today - that's not good!
- 64.229.253.88 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:36:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening and Good Night, I guess. Hope you all had a good Monday. Nice day in Minnesota. A little cool but no rain and temps to be in the 50's tomorrow with sunshine. My kind of day.

Enjoyed reading all the chats last night. We learn a great deal from each other and that is absolutely wonderful. I wish you a good week and sleep well.
- 209.240.245.95 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:45:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix & Ridy...Your weather is an exact duplicate of ours Ridy, for the next couple of days also,at least that's what they are sayin Drove Adie to the Dr, today for her six month check up today.Plenty time to read your book in the waiting room..Gets more interesting everytime..Will highly recommend it to everyone....
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 04:14:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Gotta go Russell-Have a snack and drink a nice glass of warm milk Russell so you sleep good tonite...It's an hour before your coming home tonite, and I thought I was going to still be working in this office, but i must be getting old, because my eyes are fighting me...See ya'
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 04:30:41 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
If I have to have a warm milk, I want a Hot Chocolate.
- 152.163.195.214 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 06:51:25 (UTC)

Dan:
Ridy, Thanks! I will be sending the money for your book soon. I am really looking forward to reading it! By the way. I live in Northwestern New Jersey. Also! I am a big Yankee fan. So sorry about you "JAYS".
- 64.21.105.145 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:25:25 (UTC)

Dan:
Ridy, Thanks! I will be sending the money for your book soon. I am really looking forward to reading it! By the way. I live in Northwestern New Jersey. Also! I am a big Yankee fan. So sorry about your "JAYS".
- 64.21.105.145 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:25:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy: Feel I should apologise for not commenting on the ball game you mentioned..I am really not into sports..What i know would not be enoughto fill a thimble. But ask me about WORK, and I can get into that....Am I boring or what?
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:48:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
De Ja Voue? Or however it is spelled.Like Yogi says, "all over again."
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 03:26:57 (UTC)

DAN:
Just dropped by to day "GOOD MORNING" to everyone. I hope everyone has an enjoyable day.I hope to get to know you all over time.I feel like I know you all now because of reading the Log. See ya later.
- 64.21.104.206 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 12:43:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Dan. I see you ordered Ridy's book..I know you will find it interesting,charming, and informative...enjoy. By reading it I am now reliving some of the stories, customs, and history that I have learned thru the years from my Gottscheer family. And some new things, that they did not tell me--or more likely that I have forgotten thru the years. See ya'........
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 14:21:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
Dear Paul!
Please tell everybody that I am not paying you to plug the book for me! You're the best salesman a gal could wish for! Hey. . . don't let me stop you!
- 64.229.237.3 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 14:33:55 (UTC)

Paul B,:
Excuse me if this is too lengthy,but I have to explain something,,,By the way Ridy, anyone who reads your book will know what I mean..But I feel a need to explain..When I was just 9, I started to work with my parents in the store. My father told me when I came home from school one day that this is what I had to do..He needed the help-he wanted me to learn-he tried to protect me from the streets=who knows? So I grew up dealing with adults the better part of my childhood..Don't get me wrong- I loved my MOM and POP..This was the way it was,period.Now at the age of 16 I meet the girl I immediately knew would be my wife one day-the sooner, the better...Up to that point my life was all work and no play--I knew no different.I meet the gottscheers and I find out-hey, there is more to life than just work..I finf a family of Gottscheers and friends that not only work hard--they also play hard-industrious hard working-but knew another side of life,, I am telling you, it was love at first sight all around..Two yrs later I marry Adie..Would you believe that since 1940 until now I have never had an argument with anyone in the family? It has been a healthy loving careing relationship from day one! I miss terribley the ones who are no longer with us-will never forget them..The book reminds me of all the things I learned from them..So you see, it gives me great pleasure and that is the Gods' honest truth,,and now I am going to cry--i am not ashamed either.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 20:31:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul -
Tell Adie to kiss away year tears for me. . . .you're very sweet.
- 64.229.253.205 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 20:41:43 (UTC)

:
I tell you what Ridy-wether Adie kisses my tears away or not-we will go out to dinner tonite and I will have a nice shot of Kaluah in my coffe!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:09:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Holy smokes I just realized I said all that on the Plauderzimmer and not E-Mail,,Ich bin ein (you know what)
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:13:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Holy smokes I just realized I said all that on the Plauderzimmer and not E-Mail,,Ich bin ein (you know what)
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:30:11 (UTC)

Irene:
Paul B. I don't think what you are feeling is unusual. I have always thought that my relatives were the most hard working, fun loving people I have ever met. My uncles always had a joke and the women were always appreciative of their sense of humor. Perhaps none of us would be chatting if we didn't have "warm and fuzzy" feelings for our heritage. I always wanted to by like my aunt. She was no-nonsense, hardworking and could always make anyone feel good because when whe was listening to them she made that person feel as if they were the most important person on earth.
- 66.66.193.71 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:43:41 (UTC)

Irene:
Stupid question. What does UTC mean after the time?
- 66.66.193.71 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:48:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Holy smokes I just realized I said all that on the Plauderzimmer and not E-Mail,,Ich bin ein (you know what)
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 21:52:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Irene....sometimes I get carried away,,but obviously you understand,,Gotta go eat,,And my cappucinno is going to taste extra spcl today..I don't know what time zone UTC is either...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 22:01:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Happy Wednesday. Today is soooo nice out that the snow is melting really fast from the front lawn. I see we are having a warm and fuzzy moment here about our families.
- 206.172.22.184 - Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 22:51:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Congratulations Paul for sharing those wonderful memories. Way to go Addie and Paul. Keep it up.
- 209.240.237.161 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 03:01:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Trix sent you some new information tonight
- 199.243.211.143 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 03:35:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well here it is midnite and we are just getting back..After dinner we just drove around talking about the old days, and wound up singing all the way home..I want to thank you all, because it was of you and all the comversation that this great nite happened for Adie and me, And if you are thinking of the Kaluah, we shared a small stamphelei (sp?) Love ya' all.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 04:14:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix..always nice to hear from you..I know you are a busy gal...
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 04:36:41 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
UTC is a fancy word for Greenwich Mean Time.
- 205.188.195.44 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 16:26:32 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks Russell. How is your reserach going?
- 66.66.193.71 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 16:41:31 (UTC)

:
Ah - I see you already have a response to your question, Irene. I asked Helmuth what it meant, and he sent me basically the same response as Russell already provided for us. I'm glad you asked that question, because I always wondered what it meant as well.

It stands for Universal Time Coordinates, also known as GMT (Greenwich
Mean time). It is the time in Greenwich, England which is exactly 12
hours from the International Date Line, so it is the "mean" time for any
given day.

Basically it's 4 hours ahead of us in Daylight Savings, and 5 hours ahead
the rest of the year (since you are in Eastern time).
- 64.229.252.244 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 18:35:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
And some days I don't know my own name. . . .
- 64.229.252.244 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 18:36:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Dear Ridy: The last time I checked it was Ridy and/or Ridi.Hey, did I tell you that I am going to try and make a Ville today? So what if Easter is over? I am going totry it with left over smoked Virginia ham.Maybe I am going to invent something new...I got everybody mad when i said I wa going to make it Sicilian style with tomato sauce and mozzarella cheese, and call it Vilo..Of course, I was kidding....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 18:47:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Paul. Try it and enjoy it. Ever tried English Muffin bread for ville? It is wonderful. So, where did you get the casing? PLEASE share how it turned out.

Good night everyone.
- 216.251.169.36 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 02:42:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Paul sounds like your having fun trying something new.
- 206.172.22.149 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 02:52:05 (UTC)

Paul B:
Had to tqke a rain check on my attempt to make the Ville..I had just finished cubing the smoked ham when I got an emergency call and had to go toJFK Airport. It is now past midnite and I just got back..So good night everyone,,Tomorrow is another busy day,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 04:27:45 (UTC)

Russell Doucette :
I haven't done much research lately. What I should do is make up a list of Eisenzopfs and ask questions by e-mail. But lately I've been too busy with work and I've had more success researing other branches of family.
- 152.163.194.192 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 14:53:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Morning everyone-I think I have been hogging the Plauderzimmer--didn't mean to..Well, you won't see me today, at least until tonite anyway..So you all have a wonderful day, and be happy...God Bless...
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 14:53:42 (UTC)

Patrick Jonke:
Hi, I'm looking for information about the Blau-Weiss Gottschee SC over-30 team. All the web links seem to have ended in 1999. Does the team still exist?
- 129.236.11.152 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 18:30:47 (UTC)

Irene:
AS of March 1st 2002 the team was still on the web and actively playing so I assume it is still an active team. i would ask the phone operator to give you the number for the team so you can contact them directly. I have seen the team listed as Ridgewood Queens and Ridgewood Brooklyn so you might want to ask the operator using both locations. I used www.google.com and found recent hits immediately. I also found a history of the team when it originated in 1955. If you haven't tried google as a search engine, I think you will be impressed. If you're inerterested I'll tell you more tricks Google can do.
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 19:25:24 (UTC)

Dan:
Hey Paul, You have gotten my curiosity up. What is Ville? I told you I know nothing about all this stuff. Enlighten me OK?
- 64.21.104.170 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 22:12:28 (UTC)

Dan:
Russell & Sharon, Hello. I have one Eisenzoph in my family line. Gertrude Born 8/29/1836 married my 1st cousin 3x removed Johann Sedlar in Nesseltal on 8/19/1863.
- 64.21.104.170 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 22:16:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Dan I have come across that name alot. It keeps coming up alot online.
- 206.172.22.39 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 23:43:39 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I would like to obtain copies of the birthrecords from the books but don't know how to go by it. I have seen them on the microfilm. I spent all day at work thinking about it. I came up with an idea using the scanner. I thought if I can bring home the microfilm and put the page I'm looking at in the scanner and scan it, then enlarge it using the scanner, I could print out that page and then match it to the other side. I don't think the scanner would harm the film. I would like others opinions on it before I ask the church if I could. What would be the pros and cons of it.
- 206.172.22.39 - Friday, April 12, 2002 at 23:48:08 (UTC)

Jim H:
Sharon, putting the microfilm on a regular scanner won't give it enough clarity. I am not sure if they make a unit that will scan microfilms directly into a computer. If so, then it would be fine. I have tried photographing the images displayed by a microfilm reader using film and digital. The lighting is too uneven to do a good job for entire pages. If you are interested in only a portion of the page, it would work with either film or digital. A scanner is a great idea but it would have to be a scanner designed specifically for the purpose of storing whole pages.
- 205.188.193.26 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 01:06:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks Jim for the advice. I have used the scanner to zoom into object so small on a photo that it enlarged it so that I could see it better. I think I'll give it a try. I wouldn't hurt anything and I'll let you know how it turned out.
- 199.243.211.148 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 02:09:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
EVERYBODY LIKES MY VILLE!!!!!!!!!!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 03:26:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sharon, I don' think the LDS Church will let you take the microfilm from the library. Most librarys have a viewer that will make photocopies. That is what I have been doing.
- 205.188.201.146 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 04:29:26 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Sharon,
I agree with Marilu. I don't think you can get permission to take them home. You would have to receive permission from the Family History Library in Salt Lake to do such a thing. I noticed on my French films that they have a sticker that tells you that you can't reproduce or copy in anyway except for personal use. Which means you couldn't compile the names into a book and then reproduce or sell it. It could only be used by you personally. This is because of agreements the church has made with the French governments to allow the records to be only be used for genealogical purposes. As far as I know the Gottscheer records were not obtained the same way, but they may have some restrictions. I have never heard of any scanning projects approved by the church. The church does have extraction projects and they are all done by hand. Then double and triple checked. It's worth a try, but if you have to go through the church Family History in Salt Lake I don't believe you will be able to get permission. They are pretty strict about how microfilm is used. Let me know if you need to contact the Family History Center in Salt Lake and I will get you a contact to work through.
- 209.240.222.32 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 13:06:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from a rainy Minnesota. Had beautiful sunshine until about 3 p.m. though. The snow is almost gone but the fishermen are still busy on the lake. Within 2 weeks or so we should see the blue waters of Waukenabo. Hope you are all enjoying a good day.
- 209.240.245.89 - Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 23:15:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I would have to agree with you all after hearing your side. Copy right laws are important. Anyways I'm not going to have time to do it. My Aunt's (in-law) Mom passed away tonight so I'm going to busy helping her with the funeral arrangements. The women lived to be 101. Pretty good I say. She out lived the Queen Mom. She would always tell people she and the Queen Mom are the same age.
Thanks for the your info and the previous question. Always great to get another opinion.
- 199.243.211.131 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 02:14:17 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
My condolances Sharon!
- 205.188.200.136 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 13:18:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri,

My condolances as well.
- 66.66.193.71 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 17:46:40 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry about your Aunts' MOM Sharon..My own Mom almost made it to 100, but missed by one year. May all our beloved deceased rest in peace...
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 17:49:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Abou my Ville experience: Thanks for all the pointers Trix and Ridy.. I finally made it late Friday nite, by using a tip from each contributor and it turned swell.Proof of the pudding id that it was half gone by Saturday noon and totally gone by this morning. I made it in a 9 inch pan that my Mom used to make Pasta In Forno. Happy Sunday everyone.
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 18:01:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Sharon, sincerely sympathy from all of us in the Plauderzimmer. God Bless.
- 209.240.237.153 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 18:54:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Paul. So, no casing involved. You just baked in the pan. Sounds nummy to me.
- 209.240.237.153 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 18:55:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Dan: This is my simple way of making Ville, If I did it, anyone can.I cut up into cubes some left-over baked smoked ham-about a pound or little more-I cut into cubes a small loaf of white Wonder Bread-I whipped up9 eggs and added the bread ,salt, pepper and mushed it all up and set it aside.Then I put cubed bacon=1 lb, a med.size onion (chopped) and the meat into a large frying pan and blanched it slowly with some butter added to it.I let it simmer till it was kina' glazed looking while I buttered a 9 inch porcelain deep dish pan. Now i mixed it altogether in the bowl and filled the pan with it, Covered it with reynolds Wrap and put it in the oven I had preheated at 375 degrees for abot forty five minutes-I checked after 35 and put it back in uncovered..Took it out-loosened the sides with a nice flat spatula-turned it upside down onto aplatter & the rest is history.I hope noone is offended because i took so much space,,,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:01:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
One more thing: I gave it a name: My Ville cake!
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:03:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Darn it, I forgot to say that I added 1/4 cup of milk to the whipped up egg mix...I promise I will not take any more space with this,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:06:29 (UTC)

tanja reilly:
Alles gute zum 80zten Geburstag Alfred Sajovitz!!!!
Happy birthday pop,and 80 more!!!!!!!!
- 166.102.55.66 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 22:15:17 (UTC)

Ridy H�gler Skyrme:
Aus as guate zn Gepurtstog, Herr Sajovitz! Vil Glick, G'schundheit, und Segn, �nd n�ch vilei sch�enei Juhre meit Eier dr Familie. A very Happy Birthday from Toronto!
- 64.229.233.28 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 22:55:46 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thank you everyone for the support.
- 206.172.22.198 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 22:57:56 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
My Mother's birthday is on Tuesday and I don't know what to get her. Don't you just hate being in that situation?
- 206.172.22.20 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 23:19:12 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Sherri!
I figure I'm about your mother's age. . . .
All I want for my birthday is a ticket on a Mediterranean cruise - preferably on the QE2 - and preferably for about 3 months. I don't care when, as long as it's soon!
- 64.229.233.28 - Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 23:48:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Ridy!!! Sharon, another thought for your mother is to ask her: "Mom, what can I help you with?". Believe me, she will appreciate that very much especially if you do it. When done take her out for dinner.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 00:22:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, CONGRATULATIONS! The ville sounds absolutely nummy to me too. Have never baked it this way but with casings getting harder and harder to find this is a great alternative. The only thing that I would add would be some finely chopped parsley.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 00:23:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Did everyone have a good week? Very hot in KC. Going to be almost 90 in the next day or two.
- 65.57.30.119 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 00:51:10 (UTC)

Dan:
Paul, Thanks for the info on "VILLE". Its sounds great. However I just got back Friday from the doctor & my cholesterol is 292 & tryglicerides are 1132! So I guess making & eating ville is out. I will keep it in mind for when all the numbers go down. Thanks
- 64.21.105.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:07:14 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.57.30.119 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:09:25 (UTC)

Dan:
To everyone. I just joined the GHGA. Kathy in California just e- mailed me to let me know she got my application. I feel like I am finally finding a home.
- 64.21.105.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:09:59 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello all,

Happy birthday Herr Sajovitz!

Sherri,

I'm your mother's age and I would like to spend a day with my son doing some activity that we both like to do. Jeff always makes me the most wonderful cards.

Paul your ville recipe sounds wonderful.

- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:10:10 (UTC)

Irene:
My goodness! I think i'm the only one here tomight.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:14:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello and good evening to everyone. How did the week go?
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:14:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Jim, My first time on the chat line was last week. I don't think I met you yet.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:16:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. It is hard to remember the chat room when it is still daylight!
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:17:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Marilu,
Even though it is daylight savings time, it is pitch black in Albany, NY.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:18:40 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Irene and Marilu. I missed last week's chat. I live in NJ and was born/raised in Brooklyn.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:19:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello Irene. I am quite a bit furthur south, so that makes a little difference.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:19:59 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
Were you the one who asked about the Balu Weiss team?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:20:03 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am with you, Irene. No sign of light on the east coast but it was a very nice day to take a walk and stay outside.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:20:29 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
No, that wasn't me. I am only familiar with the soccer team through internet notes.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:20:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening from Minnesota. Hope everyone is doing well. Am trying to watch Casablanca at the same time as being here. So, what's new with everyone?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:21:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
Were you raised in Ridgewood?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:21:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I got an answer from someone finally on my Ludwig Kump and Maria Peschel. He looked in the 1910 census, and Ludwig was married to a Sophia, I think. So I am still looking for Maria Peschel in New York.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:21:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Trix
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:22:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Guten Abend, all of you!
We were fogged in almost all day in Toronto and we've had all the rain the garden can use for a while!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:23:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. Forgive me but to where in Gottschee is your connection? You are related to Sharon?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:23:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, you can send that rain back my way. We can certaily use it!
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:25:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Do you have Maria's exact birthday? If you do, you might try the social security index, put in Mary and variants along with the dates. Perhaps you will get lucky.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:25:50 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We are getting enough wet stuff for the spring but we are still playing catch up for the lack of snow this winter.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:26:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes I have Maria's exact birthday, but have not searched for her that way. I guess it is worth a try.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:27:07 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I was just so sure she came here to marry Ludwig!!!! lololo He was her contact she listed on her passenger list.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:28:09 (UTC)

Irene:
My mother's maiden name was Marie Eisenzopf from Hohenegg. I met Sharon on the Internet. She thought her grandfather was from Germany. We established a Hohenegg connection, but we are missing a link that will connect our two famiies. Sharon sent me pictures that her grandfather collected and one group picture showed my mother as a little girl. We share pictures of the same people. There are many coincedences but we can't find the missing link.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:29:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim: How was your party and any word from across the Atlantic yet?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:29:21 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
A party? We missed a party?
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:30:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
What type of Dr. are you?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:31:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene - there just has to be a connection. With a unique name like Eisenzopf there has to be! So, who in your family, was born in Hohenegg? Have you ever been there? I visited the village in June of 1996. There are quite a few Gottscheers around who were born there. There is Norbert Lackner, the President of the Gottscheer Relief Assn. in Toronto and a director on the GHGA, Helmut Tramposch's family comes from Hohenegg. There are still a few houses in good condition standing int he village.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:32:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am a diagnostic and interventional radiologist.

We had a wine party at the house last night. We won it at a fundraiser last year and had a party of 12 last night. Good wine, good cheese, and assorted other food.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:35:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, do you know the names of Marie's parents?
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:35:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Yes, I agree. How can there be Eisenzopf's from Hohenegg and not be related to each other. I still have living uncles and aunts. They feel Sharon's family may have immigrated before they were born. My family comes from #17. Sherri has a picture of families members standing in front of a house next door to #17. It was labeled her grandfather's house.

I have been to Gottschee once in the late 1970s bout I don't think I was in Hohenegg.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:38:18 (UTC)

Irene:
Marie's parents were Franz and Maria
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:39:07 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
My husband is a psychiatrist who has a reputation as a good psychchopharmacologist.

I'm getting my Ph.D. in information science. My dissertation in on the electronic medical record.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:41:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: We have a daughter with a Ph.D. It is a huge untertaking, agree? How far along are you on yours? I congratulate you. Who, in your Gottscheer family was born in Gottschee? Perhaps grandparents?
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:43:57 (UTC)

Irene:
I finished all my course work, passed all my exams. The only hurdle left is the dissertation.
When you are in your 50s it is a huge undertaking.

It was my mother who was born in Hohenegg.

What is your daughter's Ph.D. in?

- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:47:18 (UTC)

Irene:
testing
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:52:05 (UTC)

:
I'm not getting any communication. Do't know what my problem is.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:54:31 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene, everyone is just slow writing back sometimes, or the weblines are slow.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:56:20 (UTC)

Trix:
The Ph.D. is in political science.

- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:56:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks Marilu
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:57:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, oh - almost The Practice time. Keep chatting. I will catch up with you during commercials. It is a Sunday night date with my honey.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:58:08 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, I don't think I have much to add to the picture but I would guess that is Franz E. and Maria Kresse from Ort. I had her brothers in file (Richard, Alois, and Heinrich) but not much other information. Franz E.'s father was also Franz according to the Umsiedlung records. Congratulations on the phd. and good luck with the dissertation.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 01:59:51 (UTC)

Irene:
That is correct. Maria Kresse had seven brothers. Are you related to the Kresses?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:02:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, for you and Sharon --- link could be in the prior generation. Sharon tracks her tree back to Josef E. born in 1859 and yours (if I was correct before) to Franz E. born in 1876. They may have been brothers. I wonder if Josef's father was Franz as well. That would make the link even more likely.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:03:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, not related to either the Eisenzopfs or the Kresses. My immediate ancestors were Schauer and Koenig from the Unterwarmberg area.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:04:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene, Jim is assembling a data base of Gottscheers. When ever he finds something, he adds it. Correct, Jim?
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:07:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening everyone. Sure enjoying the spring weather.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:08:40 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,

Thanks, I'll check into that connection.

There was a lawyer in Ridgewood named Schauer. Are you related to him?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:08:48 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Sharon,

We have been talking about you. Check the log for tonight.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:09:31 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Jim, My G. Grandfather had my Grandfather when he was about in his 40's. Now that is what my Mother thinks. She thinks she can recall that G. Grandfather died when Grandfather was about 7 years old. That will be my next clue to search for.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:12:09 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
For accuracy in your database. Alois in the records was my grandmother's nephew. Alois' father also Alois was a businessman in the city of Gottschee and was killed before he left the city of Gottschee.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:13:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I always read the log before I chat. Therefore I know what tonights subject is.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:13:17 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Marilu, almost everything. My fingers are not fast enough and time isn't long enough for everything but ... I try. William Schauer is a distant cousin. He and I are related six or seven times through various branches.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:14:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene did Russell have Alois down as a name in his records?
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:14:24 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
OK I checked his message and that name isn't on the message.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:15:30 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,
I don't know. He hasn't communicated his research to me. It is Alois Kresse that I'm talking about.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:16:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene -
I think you are talking about Alois Kresse. . . If you are, he was killed by the Partisanen in Untersteiermark at the end of WWII - four years after we left Gottschee
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:16:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
This Wednesday I'm going to order another film to retrieve G.Grandfathers birth record.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:16:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ok but there was an Alois Eisenzopf listed in Genealogy.com. Pretty sure but hold me to that.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:17:20 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,

How is your Aunt and her family doing?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:17:33 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
She is doing pretty good. They knew it would come. Her Mom broke her hip and it pretty much went down from there.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:18:37 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon,
Do you know anything about this Alois E.? I have a living uncle who is Alois Eisenzopf.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:19:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
No I just seen that name on that web site.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:20:27 (UTC)

Irene:
Ridy,
Thank you. I must have gotten confused. Arnold told me that.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:20:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sharon, if your information is correct, then my theory about how you link up is not correct. Who knows? Sometimes family history can be wrong. Irene, thank you for the information. The resettlement records do list the father of Alois born in 1924 as Franz. Is that the same Alois?
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:21:26 (UTC)

Irene:
Ridy,
I'm confused again. Where was
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:22:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, I am talking about Alois Eisenzopf. I haven't run anything down on the Kresses.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:22:57 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Perhaps last night's wine is muddling the airwaves. In vino veritas .... and all that.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:23:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Ridy,
Sorry, pushed the send button accidently. Were was Untersteiermark located? I have an uncle who married a lady from Steiermark who he met when he was at one of the relocation camps. Were the two areas close to each other?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:24:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jim, no one really knows too much because my Grandparents never talked about relatives in the old country. I guess they thought they should stay quiet because at the time they came to Canada, a war was brewing over there and they didn't want to go back. They got their citizenship as soon as possible.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:25:12 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Plus I think it was hard for them to look back. After all they had no family here.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:27:01 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim,
Yes, the dates match. Alois E. born in 1924 is my living uncle.
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:27:33 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Told my father that he was wrong about what town my Grandfather came from. He thought it was Katzendorf but his birthrecord shows Hohenegg.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:29:20 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I also found my Great Grandparents on Grandma side in the record also. You know I wish they would record the rightside first then the leftside of the books. It would make more sense that way you read the last name first.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:31:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
From what I gather from my mom, her parents did not speak very much of the old country except to say that life was hard and they were poor.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:31:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene -
I'm not sure if you have the first or a later edition of our book, but check page 217, and on it you should find a reference to your uncle Alois Kresse and the manner in which he and his family met their death in 1945. It's above the picture of the names on the wall in the Gedenkst�tte in Graz.
Untersteiermark was the name given to the area where Gottscheers were resettled in 1941. It's just a short distance from Gottschee.
Steiermark is a Province in Austria, directly across the border from Yogoslavia - or Slovenia as it is now again called.
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:32:14 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
the impression I get is that before the first war, my family was living well. I have pictures from New York done professionally
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:33:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I was wondering how far is Mooswald from Hohenegg?
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:34:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks to all of you for your wonderful information. When I'm tired my mind decompensates very quickly. I'm going to say good night.
Bye
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:35:46 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Goodnight Irene. Have a goodnights sleep
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:36:57 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Time for me to pack it in as well. Good chatting and good luck to the Eisenzopf search.
- 64.12.104.157 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:38:55 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Herein spaziert, herein spaziert, Good Evening everyone.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:39:12 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight everyone. See you next week.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:39:26 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz, we were just saying goodnight. How Are you?
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:39:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Kannst leider gleich wieder rausspazieren, Franz -- sind schon alle fort!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:40:27 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Hi Marilu, thanks for asking I am doing just great.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:41:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Franz - did you forget to set your clock to daylight saving time?
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:41:27 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
What is time? Life goes on either way.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:42:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Ain't that the truth!
Are your skiing days over for the season?
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:43:15 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, leider ja.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:44:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Take up golf - it's less hazardous to your health!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:45:06 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I pretty much live by the sun all year around, except when I have to be on someone else's time schedule! lolol
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:45:08 (UTC)

Trix:
In the old days Mooswald would have been quite a walk from Hohenegg. It is located northwest of the City of Gottschee.
- 216.251.169.34 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:46:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think we should all live by the sun! Come to think of it, I never heard anyone mention daylight saving time in Gottschee. Did you, Franz?
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:46:33 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, I have seen folks being hit on the head by those funy little balls.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:47:01 (UTC)

Ridy:
That's only to see if they are awake, Franz. It's about on a par of watching grass grow -- except when Tiger is playing, of course!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:47:57 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, Gottschee was so far removed from any of those crazy ideas.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:48:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
You are so right, Franz!
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:49:35 (UTC)

Ridy:
G�tei Nocht, Franze, and anyone else who is still on. The sandman has arrived and I must turn in. See y'all next week.
- 64.229.233.28 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:52:08 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, Golfers are a very uptight crowd, I rather be up in the mountains and let some Jodlers go.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:52:45 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Guetei Nocht Ridy Dirndle.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:53:51 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night again. It is getting sleepy time here also. See you all next week.
- 64.12.107.174 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:55:01 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good Night, Marilu.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:55:25 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good Night, Marilu.
- 67.195.251.101 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 02:59:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I was just wondering how close Mooswald was. I may have came across some information about that town but I was just from a quick glance at the film. I'm going to double check again.
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 03:02:05 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
anyways I have to work at 6am so its bed time. Goodnight all
- 206.172.22.223 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 03:02:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I too watched Practice with My HONEY...But in between commercials I was tending to my chiken soup I was preparing for tomorrow..Thanks to all who mentioned my Ville- wish you all a good nite, and a happy week ahead,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 03:48:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix and Paul ~
So -- who is in charge of the remote?
- 64.229.253.87 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 22:51:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ridy. Good to see your message. Actually, when The Practice comes on the remote remains untouched. I find this show just fascinating and NEVER dull. Other times, though, I like to control the remote.

Hope you are having a beautiful day in Toronto. We had 78 (a difference of 25� from yesterday. The weekend we are looking at 45�. Is it going to be another weird year?

OK Paul, lets have it. Who controls the remote in your home? Let's be honest here.

To you both, my best and greetings to the rest of the regulars.
- 209.240.245.166 - Monday, April 15, 2002 at 22:53:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy-Trix, When we watch together, Adie has the remote-has to set the volume to her liking-drives me nuts sometimes, but I don't mind as long as we are watching together.I or even she sets it on MUTE during the commercials! And that is the whole truth..I believe it when you say I do for better and for worse..Because if you really love someone that is the way it should be..We had a discussion with some of the newly married-like ten years, one was complaining about the snoring..She knows Adie snores and she said(in front of my wife) how can you stand it I would sleep in another room--my answer to my daughter-in laws question was, It is something called love-pure and simple.....And we have never slept separate, and we never will. Hope the good Lord gives us another 60 years,,,,,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 00:24:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Oh,Oh! Forgot i was on the Plauderzimmer again..Oh well, i only said how i truly feel and it is the same with Adie.. Sorry...
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 00:28:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, you are a gem!
- 209.240.245.166 - Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 01:19:45 (UTC)

Joe M.:
Hello all - I am beginning to research my Gottscheer heritage and don't really know how to start. The maiden name of my Great Grandmother is difficult to trace - Reicher. Her parents died in 1945 in Sterntal. She was from somewhere near Schalkenburg. Any advice?
- 169.71.1.249 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:53:10 (UTC)

Trox:
Good Morning Joe M. Good to see your inquiry. I am thinking that the village is Schalkendorf near the City of Gottschee, which is located in the western part of the former Gottscheer region. Do you have a birthdate for your great-grandmother? Also a full name along with the name of her parents? Please send me an e-mail at: wyants@mlecmn.net. Look forward to hearing from you and wish you a good day.
- 209.240.245.93 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 13:44:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Tix---good Wednesday to you--see you are on the job today==God Bless yoy..I am taking a tea break from the office foe a few minutes...Over 90 degrees here today=Whew!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 19:09:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wow the heat has got me--look at all the mispelled words--Maybe i should take a nap!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 19:10:38 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
WELL I DID NOT TAKE A NAP--GOT A LOT OF WORK DONE WHILE I SIPPED MY ICED TEA....SLEEP WELL EVERYONE....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:21:28 (UTC)

Heinrich Stalzer:
Gruessgot! Anybody know when, or if, Pula or Pola, was part of Austria? Both my granfather and father where from there, and his numerous uncles! They were emoployee
- 68.63.112.80 - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 10:40:57 (UTC)

Irene:
Pula was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire from the mid 1800s till the empire's colapse after WW1. The A-H empire used Pula as a naval base. Pula is on the Istria penninsula. The North west part of the Penninsula was part of Slovenia and the rest was part of Croatia. Pula is in the south west part of the penninsula. The Italians occupied it for a while after the Austrians.
- 66.66.193.71 - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 19:20:20 (UTC)

Bine:
Hallo.Ich bin neu auf dieser Seite und hoffe mir kann jemand helfen.......
Ich suche dringend Adressen aus Freudenberg,bzw.Telefon oder E-Mail Adresse. Kann jemand helfen ????
- 194.105.40.74 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:02:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Somebody help Bine please? Trix-Ridy//
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:25:28 (UTC)

Marilu1030:
Bine..Are you Bine1207 from Aol? Did I chat with you a couple of years ago??? About the Neppl name?
- 152.163.201.203 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 20:18:12 (UTC)

Irene:
Bine,
The austrian phone directory is online at http://www.etb.at/
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:02:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Girls....
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:15:11 (UTC)

Irene:
Bine, Sorry I gave you the wrong directory, try this site:

http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/wwphone/world.html
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:17:07 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I just received the web address for the Alpine Club in Kitchener, which was founded by my father. Hope you'll all check it out. All the details concerning the Gottscheer Treffen this year can be found on the site.
http://www.alpineclub.ca/
- 64.229.235.220 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 21:49:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, I hear you. What is Freudenberg, a village, city, a name or ??? Would love to help but don't think I know how.
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:48:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Bine, ist Freudenberg ein Name oder ein Dorf oder Stadt? M�chte gerne helfen aber zur Zeit wei� nicht ob es m�glich ist. Bitte schreibe mehr. Herzlichst aus Minnesota.
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:49:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, thank you. Can't wait to visit the web site. Hope all is GREAT in Toronto. Very cooooool here. Had 36� F this morning but I think it go up to 45�F.
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:50:43 (UTC)

Trix:
HAPPY FRIDAY EVERYONE!
- 216.251.169.3 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:54:26 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi, everyone, Happy Friday to you also. If Bine does not read English could someone translate my info for him. I read German but my writing is terrible. The lycos site has links to online phonebooks from all over the world. In most of these phone books you can search by a person's name. For small countries such as Austria or Slovenia you can just put in the person's last name and see what turns up. This is especially useful if you looking for distant relatives living in certain countries.
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 23:08:08 (UTC)

Irene:
I forgot to say in most cases the name of the village, city etc. is not necessary except if you are looking for a common name entering both nsurname and village will narrow the number of names the computer will give back to you.
- 66.66.193.71 - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 23:11:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix-You know that i have absolutely NO expertise in this, but it sounds like Irene has the right idea in the message before this one I'm sending you.I am also willing to bet that Freudenberg is both a surname and place..I would call my cousin Frank jaklitsch in Florida to ask him, but I know he retires to bed early.. Good Luck-always nice to hear from you Trix.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:23:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Saturday to you all...Lazy day here in N.Y.Raining and kind of nasty, after thr heat we had for a few days...Hope Bine got the info he was looking for..It is Italian nite again tonite..gotta get ready to go.Have any Olive Garden Resataurants where you guys are? That's where we are headed.Gonna meet with the Kren Family, anither one of my great Gottscheer relatives...Have a happy everyone...
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 19:29:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. Eat for me too. We do not have that restaurant close but I see the great ads all the time. From where in Gottschee are the Krens from? Enjoy the evening and easy on the wine, particularly if you are driving ok?
- 216.251.178.34 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 21:34:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix: Did not go to restaurant- my stomach just made that decision for me, and I had to cancel.Mynephew Kren is the son of Alois Kren form(and I know this spelling is wrong) but he is from -Pronounced Marjon- I forget how it is spelled, but i know it is nothing like it sounds, at least in English anyway..My brother-in law alois (louie) was one of my best friends. His brother Ferdel was a big meat purveyor in Gottschee.Louie married my wifes sister Emma jaklitsch who came from Verderb..Thry are now both gone-miss them something awful-when I made the Ville, my kids said that it tasted just like Aunt Emma used to make.That was a big compliment for me...Do you know any Krens?
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 23:42:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix- Me again..Is it spelled Maschern?
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 23:45:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul: What would you say to Malgern? I believe there is an Alois Kren from Malgern in the Resettlement records.

Yes, I know Ludwig Kren, the famous author and former editor of the Gottscheer Zeitung. He lives in Austria.
- 216.251.169.9 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 00:53:29 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think Paul means Massern
- 64.229.235.238 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 02:03:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy & Trix--That Massern looks more like it Ridy-I might have seen it that way on the Gottscheer map once.You mentioned Zeitung Trix and it brought back a memory of when Ferdel was here from Gottschee on a visit. I think I might have mentioned that he stopped by my Italian restaurant that I owned back in the fifties..Well when he got back home someone sent us the newspaper from Gottschee in which he had written an article about his USA visit and he criticised how we lived with houses so close to one another, and some other things too.He of course was talking about Ridgewood and Glendale where the houses were on small plots close together..The Gottscheers who were living here then were quite upset about that. I never thought he said it as an insult-he was used to larger plots of land,,Had I known then, I would have taken him out to the suburbs on long Island and showed him the larger pieces of property..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 04:09:12 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. Now I know why you love the Italian Food. Not only are you of Italian heritage but owned a restaurant too. No doubt it was excellent cuisine.

Do you remember the month and year when your friend visited and wrote about it in the Zeitung? Would be fun to try to find the article and read it again.

They are predicting up to 7 inches of snow in the southern part of Minnesota with perhaps 1 or 2 up here. It has been a weird month. I wonder what it means for the rest of the summer. Of course, I remember quite a few fishing season openers in Minnesota when it snowed and was very nasty and that is in the middle of May. Enjoy a wonderful Sunday and Danke for sharing. Hi Ridy!!!
- 216.251.178.21 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 11:19:29 (UTC)

Paul B,:
Happy Sunday Trix...Just scalled Frank in Fl, and he thinks that freudenberg is an Austrian name.He is going to a German Picnic in Fl. today-he and lorraine work the ticket booth there sometimes. He said he would ask Mitzi Hauck about the year thatFerdel was here. Adie tells me that ferdel said that the houses were cheaply made here because they were made of plaster board instead of stucco. So as soon as I get the exact year, I will let you know..Incidently, do you recognize the name BENCIN? Frank thinks that might have been Italian influence..I remember then father and/or son Frank Bencina..I am sure they used to say Tante Bencina..They owned a noodle factory in B'klyn, N.Y. Cousin Frank says that one son Tommy Bencin belongs to either GHGA or some other Gottscheer Historical Society..Recognize any of this? As for the Italian food, I am afraid it doesn't like me too much.But I did own and cook in my own restaurant...I like all foods, as long as it likes me-which is not always the case.That is a curse for people who like to eat as I do....That's life...Gotta go-have some Sunday chores today....Will try to catch you on tonite, hopefully....Enloy your day..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 16:38:29 (UTC)

Paul B,:
P,S. Trix, I guess my food was good down home cooking, unlike some of the Italian dishes they make today that are Amercanized.I know my Gottscheer relatives and friends always came in to eat..It was a succcessful restaurant= I made Pizza too.I have to tell you a Gottscheer story about my restaurant, when I was tending bar for thr first three years, before i went into the Kitchen..I'll save that story for now..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 16:45:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you Paul for your great story sharing. They are fun to read. You are correct about Tom Bencin. He is indeedd of Gottscheer heritage and also wrote the marvelous story about Gottschee and the Gottscheers. I believe he wrote it while completing his Master Thesis at one of the New York Universities and then generously donated it to the GHGA for publication. We have sold many, many copies and he wrote it in such a way that it was easy to follow and easy to understand. We have received many wonderful comments regarding the publication. It is still available for purchase.
- 209.240.245.102 - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 17:33:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Good evening everyone, How is everyone doing tonight?
- 206.172.22.158 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 00:49:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
the weather here is not too bad. At least there is no snow so far.
- 206.172.22.158 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:05:55 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Just a quick hello. Am "hanging out" with my 11 yr old grandson, while grandpa and father turkey hunt. Hope all had a super week. Cold in KCMO AC on last Sun--heat back on yesterday.
- 64.154.126.33 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:26:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good evening to everyone.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:37:59 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Paul, did your wife and sister in law come from Unterdeutschau? What was the name of the restaurant and where was it located? I don't know if you said it before but I might have missed it.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:39:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good evening...how is everyone...weather here is beautiful today. We actually got a little bit of moisture here on Friday.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:39:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Marilu. How is everything in your neck of the woods?
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:41:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from the winter wonderland at Waukenabo. Have about 2 inches of snow and coming down like crazy. To the south, around the Twin Cities they expect 7 inches. Is it going to be a weird year or what? Hope everyone is doing well. So, what's new?
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:41:53 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I hope we have seen the last of the snow. Too warm ---- I hope.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:42:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, am I up to date with you? One itty bitty more fact and we can finish up with the Matzelle connection. Have you heard anything?
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:44:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, before I forget I need to tell you that I am re-reading your book. I love the section on the customs of the Gottscheers. That part alone would make a very good booklet. As you know we have talked about the various holidays many times in this chat room - you cover so beautifully. Think about it?
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:44:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim and Trix...It was only 25 here this morning but our moisture came down as rain yesterday. We need lots more tho.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:45:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - NO but that is only my fault. No time or energy so far but tell you what, I will dig out the file right now, put on the table and take care of it tomorrow. Promise!!!
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:45:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim. Did you get the Spring issue of the Gottscheer Connection yet? You should be very proud after you look at the list of new members. You worked with quite a few of them. Thank You.
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:46:48 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Should be in the fifties or so all week during the day and thirties at night. I can deal with that. Not much snow this winter and we won't be getting any this spring.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:52:58 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I will check my mail pile. I think it came in last week but I am not sure.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:53:22 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend, all ~
Just woke up in time to join you! Visited downtown today and got myself all tired out. Cold here - expecting snow. Guess we're being punished for something! But it looks beautiful out with the daffodils and forsythia in full bloom. I wanted relief from the heatwave, but this is ridiculous!
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:53:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Just in case you missed my posting of the Alpine Club web site address, here it is again
http://www.alpineclub.ca/
You'll find all the information for the Gottscheer Treffen over the Labor Day weekend on it.
Also just got my notice for the Gottscheer Volksfest in New York on June 2. Sounds like a good excuse for a visit to New York!
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 01:58:20 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I hope my life is not so busy next year, and maybe I can make it to some of those things. I have two trips planned to Minnesota already this year.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:00:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy - checked out the web site. It is beautifully done and the information on the Treffen is informative and complete. Should be a good time for everyone. I like the idea of having it at the hotel. Makes it so much easier for all.
- 216.251.178.46 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:02:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Why would you want to go to Minnesota????? :)
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:03:10 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim...family...that is where I am from. There is a Neppl reunion this summer, and an Underberg one in Iowa. And my neice is getting married in September. lololol busy busy busy
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:04:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Only joshing. Been there once in the Twin Cities. Very nice place. Don't know about the more northern reaches.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:12:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I know you were. lol You know my plans got changed for New York, but someday we are going to plan that again. I am not a big city girl, so I like the northern reaches just fine!
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:15:05 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Just thought I would drop by and say "HI" to everyone. Lot's of snow and rain here in Utah this week. Much needed moisture, but not enough to avert a drought situation. We haven't had good moisture for the last 3 years. Hope this note finds everyone fine.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:17:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, John. Good to see you back.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:19:39 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yes, John - Welcome Back!
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:21:40 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Have you been working on any thing particular lately, Jim!
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:21:53 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Ridy,
How are things in Canada? Hope your family is well. Thanks again for the nice Easter update. That was very nice.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:23:34 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi John. I live in beautiful Colorado and it is dry here also.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:26:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
What town do you live in Marilu? I have cousins that live in Loveland!
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:28:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
John, working on this and that. Looking over the Altlag marriage file and seeing what fits in the file. Still going through some of the Ellis Island information whenever Trix sends me on a search. Linked up boyhood friends who had not seen each other since 1950. One lives in Pennsylvania and the other in Germany. That is a good feeling.
- 152.163.204.83 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:30:20 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sorry about all the dry conditions you're experiencing, people. Guess we've been hoarding the wet stuff because our lake levels are supposed to be back to normal later this year. Don't know why 'later' -- we've had enough rain to fill a couple of extra lakes, I think! The marina operators are apparently ecstatic
- 64.229.238.139 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:30:27 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
John, I live in Canon City so they are a little north of me.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:31:38 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Marilu,
If I remember right that is a very beautiful area. Loveland is quite a nice area and very close to the mountains. The area is much like Ogden, Utah, but we don't quite have forest that, that part of Colorado has.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:34:58 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have a couple of cousins in Utah also, but don't remember what town right now.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:36:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Marilu,
Did your Gottscheer ancestors settle in the Western US or is that just of late? My family settled in central Wyoming near the town of Shoshoni. My Great Uncles settled in the area and my Grandfather followd in 1912. It is said that my 2nd Great Grandfather came to the US and wanted to settle in the US, but his wife didn't want to come. So he instead sent his son's. All but two of the 8 brothers came to the US. All came at different times and probably varied reasons.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:40:50 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My Peschel family settled in Iowa and Nebraska in the 1870-1880's. I am in Colorado by way of Minnesota where I grew up. lol We like to travel I guess.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:42:19 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Were they cattle ranchers or farmers, etc. I believe there was a Pesche they owned a sale ring in Riverton, WY. Did any of your ancestors drop the L in their name?
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:44:41 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
They were farmers. I don't think any of them dropped the L, but it was spelled Peshel and Peschel, and sometimes with an A instead of E. I do have two brothers in wyoming, last name is Underberg. One lives in Douglas and one in New Castle.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:48:11 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Did they move to Wyoming during the depression or precipitated moving to Wyoming? There were a lot of Missouri folks and many from Kansas who came during the Dust Bowl years to the Riverton/Shoshoni area of Wyoming during this period. They couldn't make a living and came west to a lot of the Reclamation projects.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:52:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
In my research, I discovered a lot of Gottscheer families settled in Waterford Township, Clinton co, Iowa.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:52:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
No, my brothers have only been in Wyoming about 20 years. I have been in Colorado about 30 years now.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:54:00 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
That's very interesting about the settlements in Iowa. I always thought most Gottscheers settled in New York City and Ohio. That is where most of my grandfathers family settled. It is interesting to here the stories of others who settled in areas you would never dream of. I guess many of them went where they would be accepted or where people would have them. My Grandfather was fortunate that he had family they kind of plowed the way for him.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:55:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My great-grandfather came here in 1882, and he had family who came ahead of him also. the ones that settled in waterford Township started coming in the 1860's. A branch of my Peschel family was among them. However my great grandfather settle in western Iowa, and then moved to Nebraska.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:57:36 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Are your brother's farmers or what do they do for a living? My brother lives in a little place called Huntley, not far from the Nebraska border. He farms, ranches, and raises horses. It is possible they may know them. Especially if the raise registered stock.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:59:27 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Where in Nebraska did they settle? My Grandmothers mother was born in Madison Co., Iowa and then there family eventually settled in Box Butte County.
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:01:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
My brother in New Castle works for the state youth center, and the one in douglas worked for a trailer sales place, and then at the high school in maintaince. Is retired from that and has his own rental equipment business now.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:02:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Peschels settled in Osmond which is close to Norfolk Nebraska. Are still some of them living there now. My grandparents moved to Minnesota, and so that is how I grew up there.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:04:20 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Very interesting, Marilu. It's interesting how immigrants come to be in certain places. My Mom's father came from France and was recruited as sheepherder. He eventually started his own ranch and settled in the same area that he was recruited to.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:09:51 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Well I better let you go. It was nice chatting with you Marilu. Have a nice evening.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:11:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes, I have found it very interesting also. Some of the early Gottscheers settled in Chicago, and also several different places in Minnesota. I have learned a lot of history doing all of this digging. And I guess it is time to call it a night. See you all next week.
- 152.163.213.64 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:12:04 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Goodnight!
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:12:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Practice is over and I am up..Anyone still around?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:35:24 (UTC)

paul B.:
Hi Jim-My restaurant was called Dream Restaurant and was in Bethpage, on Long Island//Am I right in thinking that maybe you thought it was in Ridgewood or Glendale?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:50:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim: Just saw your question-My wife Adeline (Adie) was born here,lived in B'klyn, ridgewood and Glendale where I met her im my fathers' candy store on Cooper Ave. Her sisters Emma & Emily & brother Rudolph were born in Verderb in Gottschee,They were all Jaklitsch.Emma marrirf Alois Kren, and Emily Married John Rabuse..From Massern and Beuchel...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 04:03:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Paul,
My uncle Heinrich a widower married a widow, Herta Jaklitsch. Her husband died at a young age. Any relation?
- 66.66.193.71 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 13:18:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Irene, I don't think so. The names are not familiar. But I will ask my cousin Frank today--Have a nice day..
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 22, 2002 at 13:50:13 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
Good evening. About the residents of Gottscheer and the surrounding area: Were they Catholic, Lutherian, Jewish or something else?
- 152.163.194.206 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 02:29:10 (UTC)

Trix:
I am pretty sure that probably 100% were Catholic. The Gottscheers practiced their religion faithfully and believed deeply. An interesting pesonal observation: In 1984 I made my first visit to Tschermoschnitz, Gottschee the area of my birth. While visiting the beautiful, big, old church you could clearly see the grooves in the wooden kneeling benches from heavy usage throughout the many, many years. It was quite a site because our parents talked about kneeling on the wooden boards often. I think their deep faith was the strength of the Gottscheers, particularly the women.

The first time I ever heard of a Lutheran was in nearly K�rnten where I lived from 1946 to 1952. Even there the people would point a finger and say: He or she is a Luthern. How times have changed!!!
- 209.240.245.83 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 02:57:15 (UTC)

Russell:
When I was little and my mother would say the name EISENZOPF I always got the idea that her father was German-Jewish. I have nothing against being Jewish. But I've wondered if I had relatives that died in the contration camps.
- 152.163.194.199 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 04:06:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell. I too am under the impresion that Gottschee was 100% Catholic. Although I haven't met many outside my immediate family, I have never met a Jewish Eisenzopf. I married a Jewish man and that may have confused you when we corresponded initially. However, I am Catholic. I do have an interesting story. I found an Eisenzopf on the Internet who lives in Austria. We started to correspond. It turns out that his grandfather was the illegitmate son of one of my great aunts. For obvious reasons she moved from Gottschee to Austria. When Hitler came along, he wanted prove of "germanicity" for several generations back. the illegitmate child (now an adult) had no such proof and he had very little knowledge if any where his mother immigrated from. It was a big mess and potentially a very dangerous situation. The situation did resolve itself successfully. The neighbors voched for them and they may have found some information connecting them with their Gottschee roots.

My genealogy information is from the baptismal information going as far back has the 18th century. Also you mentioned that there were lots of Eisenzopfs working for the papal court. I have the impression (although no facts to back it up), that recently converted Jews would not have been allowed to work in the p. court back then.
One more thought, my mother never mentioned the existence of any other churches or sinagoge in Gottschee except the Catholic church.
Does anyone know if there were protestant churches in Gottschee.?

Russell, do you have any information you can share about the papal court Eisenzopfs? I think that would be very interesting to know.

I have been a practicing Catholic all my life, but I haven't gone to church in the last two weeks since this scandal just keeps on getting worse. I am truly sick over it.

- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 13:25:33 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell,

One more thought. If there were Jews in Gotschee, during the undersiedlung period, the Jews would have been rounded up and taken to a concentration camp or shot. There is no mention of anything like this happening in the records of Gottshcee. Ironically, The Germans were fanatical about keeping records of Jewish culture they destroyed.

I need to spend the rest of the day writing my dissertation.
This was a fun break.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 13:35:31 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell, I will look for any excuse not to work on my dissertation. I just checked a couple of Internet data babases concerning lists of Jewish surnames. The name "Eisenzopf" always comes up with "zero hits." So we can assume that Eisenzopf is not a Jewish surname. Now I really must get some work done.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 14:16:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene!
Get thee to thy desk, woman, and finish that dissertation!

Wish I had said that to my husband more often -- getting my PhT (Putting hubby Through)seemed to take forever and a day!

- 64.229.236.51 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 14:47:06 (UTC)

Russell:
As far as Eisenzopf being Jewish, that is just a guess on my part. The name sounds like it might be Jewish. All I know about my grandfather and his family is what my mother has told me, I don't have any documention to back it up. But most of what documention I have backs what what I've been told.
- 209.240.222.132 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 15:25:49 (UTC)

Irene:
Thanks Ridy, I'm having a hard time concentrating today. As proof of my lack of concentration I did the following:

Russell you may be interested in this. I checked the Italian phone book. There are no Eisenzopf's listed. I checked the Swiss phone book, thinking that the Eisenzopf's may have been papal guards but there were no Eisenzopf's listed in the Swiss phone book. There is one Eisenzopf listed in the German phone directory and several Eisenzopf's listed in the Austrian phone book.
Now I'm not touching the Internet comuter for several hours.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 17:01:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Irene: Just wanted to add my two cents-Haven't been able to catch my cousin i Florida yet,to ask about Heinrich and herta-But I do remember asking him about Eisenzopf a short time ago, and he immediately said "That is a Gottscheer name."
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 21:42:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix and Ridy--hope yor day is going well=just got back from early dan inner-catching up on the Gottscheer news... P,S, You will never guess what we ate-AGAIN! I am really going to look like a spaghetti bender......
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 22:00:59 (UTC)

Russell:
Before I start looking in German and Austrian phone books, I am going to look up in Americian phone books. I'd like to find local cousins instead of foreign ones.
- 152.163.197.48 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 23:10:48 (UTC)

:
Russell,

The easiest way to look for American relatives is by using Yahoo.com. There is a small paragraph of links. Click on "people search". Eisenzopf, Eisenzapf is such an unusual name that you don't have to put in anything else. It should give you a listing of these names, their addresses, telephone# for all over the country. It will even give you a map showing you where they live. I think this last bit of information is scary. Sometime I'll tell you about a crazy lady who sent my husband arsenic disguised as a nutrional supplement. I threatned lawsuits to get our name off of the Yahoo listings. (The lady was arrested and died in prison of a pre-existing cancerous condition.)
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 23:48:33 (UTC)

Irene:
It was me who sent the last message.
- 66.66.193.71 - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 23:49:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to one and all. You have been busy exchanging interesting and important information. For me it continuous to be a learning arena, like Yahoo.com to find other people GREAT TOOL and I thank you.

We had a beautiful day in Minnesota. Need to finish raking. So Paul, what was the meal tonight? Oh, come on, tell us.
- 209.240.245.111 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 00:19:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix- My darling Adie wanted to treat tonite-she went to the doctor who gave her a treatment that made her hear better-and she wanted to celebrate=so she took me and Peter out....I had angel hair pasta with red clam sauce, cappucinno with Kaluah, and A nice chunk of Tirimusu.The best part of it all was that my stomach accepted it without a problem..Oh, and to be a sport I paid the tip! Aint I good?
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 00:34:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I hardly call my dinner an interesting info, but that was the most exciting thing I did today. And I do agree with Trix,because by reading the results you all get, it is a learning experience...And for that we thank you all...Now in a little while I promised to watch 2 hours of Philly..don't know if I can stand it, but it will be interesting to see how well Adie can hear now..And if it doesn't work, she said she wants to take her treat back!Vadumpt!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 00:43:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Lesson to be learned from you Paul is that I am not ITALIAN. Don't know what the h--- you all ate but sounds great. Now do the lesson for tonight. What is it that you ate? Describe PLEASE. No Philly for me - instead I am watching Amy and come to think of it No Amy either because Philly will take over. Darn it.
- 209.240.245.111 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 01:53:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
O.K. Trix-Here goes....Adie and Peter (Mymiddle son) had a Gorgonzola Salad it is made of dandelions-Oriccio-baby spinach-crutons-Garnished with vinegar & oil and Gorgonzola cheese ,something like Feta cheese cubes, except it is like Blue Cheese. I had Straccietteli soup--Chicken broth with strips of spinach...Adie had Calamari(fried rings of egg battered squid) with Marinara sauce....Peter had Scallops Francais ( Broiled scallops in a butter lemon sauce) Me I had angel hair pasta with red clam sauce.Very thin spaghetti garnished with chopped clams that are first sauteed in garlic and oil and than added to a marinara tomatoe sauce.That happens to be one of my Italian cooking specialties--noone makes it like I do-Yes I am bragging, The way I make clam sauce white or red is with a lot of TLC, and they would have to charge you twice what they charge for their idea of that dish//Ask any of my Gottscheers that eat my clam sauce and they will concur...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 03:37:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank You Paul. WOW an impressive selection of good food. I particularly liked the dandelion salad. We ate that in Gottschee and Austria too. Usually my mother cut up a boiled potato and made it with vinegar/oil dressing. Always liked it. I, too, cook a lot of Gottscheer dishes. One of my favorites is Buarmei eapfle mit schaurei kumalein (warm fried potatoes with sour cucumbers). Of course a nice piece of chicken or steak goes well with it but does not necessarily have to be.

Paul, THANK YOU for the lesson. Now, when can I come for dinner and enjoy your specialty? Would be so great!!!
- 216.251.178.9 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 13:47:45 (UTC)

Dan:
GOOD MORNING TO ALL! I hope everyone has a nice Wednesday. The weather here in Northwestern NJ is beautiful. I hope it's the same where you are. All the talking that you all do about food is making me VERY HUNGRY! I only understand English so I'm glad for the English translations. I will be at Hawley Penn. in June so I hope to be able to meet you all.My Granddaughter is calling me so gotta go! Be back late
- 64.21.106.4 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 14:33:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well I read over the transcript and to Russell, the name Eisenzopf is German, and my relatives were Catholic. Their birth records show that they were baptized and when Dad was born here they had him baptized Catholic here at the Catholic church. Also go into Ancestry.com and in the Eisenzopf forum you can retrieve Eisenzopf phone numbers for the US and Overseas there. Thats where I got my information.
- 206.172.22.182 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 19:08:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Everyone----Ridy, I just closed your book on pg,188..Anyone ever tell you it could be a big hit as a TV series? And Trix, you come to New York some day, and who knows you may like my spaghetti with clam sauce!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, what is going on in Hawley in June? Spent some time there thru the years while my in-laws were still with us...I think I have eaten in every restaurant there...I used to live to take long walks with my cousin frank when we used to go there...Real nice country environment--loved it...Emma and Louie had a nice split level house on a 200x200 piece of land..Of all the places, I think I liked Lukans the best...Those were the good old days!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:22:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Anyone familiar with the Dug Out in Hawley My brother-in-law Rudy Jaklitsch hung out there....Don't think I ever went there, but heard it mentioned lots of times//
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:27:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul -
Page 188, eh? You still have a ways to go, and the worst is yet to come. And the best, of course.
Yes -- several people have told me they thought it would make a great movie - and I'd certainly settle for a TV series - but until now, nobody has made us a serious offer.
Maybe we should shop it around! In fact, I just had an e-mail from Austria, suggesting I translate it into German!!! Now that will be the day. . . . .
- 64.229.252.124 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:41:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix, Iwas just reading your message again..Yuo know, Adie puts boiled potato in our salad too- I always thought that was her invention-I guess it is a Gottscheer thing-I love potato in any which shape or form..Trymy mothers' receipe some time....In a pot put in some oil and fry onions in it,,When the onions are as brown as you like them(Ilike them blanched) add sliced potato and half cover with water and cook untill done. You may balk at the idea of oil(like Adie used to when we were first married) but give it a try, you will be pleasantly surprised...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 21:51:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix: Just got a little more info on Ferdel Kren..His visit here was in 1957, so it was after that visit when he wrote the article in the Gottscheer Zeitung--let me know what you find out.He also had a store in Klagenfurt where he sold meat products, besides the provision trucks that delivered to stores...In masern in Gottschee the house # was 25....Had a zillion dollar(That, of course is my exaggeration) mansion built in Gottschee. As I understand it, the business went down some and his son held on to some of it..Let me know if you get the story in the paper about his ctricising the houses here.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 01:04:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Paul sounds like your Mother does the samething that my Hubby's Grandmother makes except she uses a frying pan. We just had that 2 weeks ago. My Hubby keeps hinting at me to make perogies. One of these days.
- 206.172.22.93 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 03:56:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sharon-When this dish is made in the frying pan, its' really what the diners call home fries, and I happen to love home fries as side dish-or substitute for a veggie-the one made in the pot is a different taste all together. The way you mentioned is made on the grill by most diners. I make them in the fry pan with fried eggs and/or in an omolet. Try it in the pot sometime-don't forget the water!
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 04:27:11 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix,
Where in Karnten did you live? My aunt lives in Spittal an der Drau.
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 15:43:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning Irene. I am glad to see that you are taking a break from your dissertation. It is ok to do so.
I lived in Altfinkenstein, near the Faaker See near Villach, not at all far from Spittal an der Drau. Have been there numerous times and have visited the Gottscheer Museum located in the old castle there. Perhaps your aunt could check it out to see if it is still in place. They did a nice job arranging their collection.

It is very cold at Waukenabo. We have 29� degrees and trying hard to snow. Along with that we have very strong north winds. So, for the day at least, winter has returned. Unbelievable!

Suggestion for the day: Make yourself a nice cup of Gottscheer tea - Kamillen Tee mit Zitrone, H�nig und ein bi�chen Zucker or Kamillen tea with lemon, honey and a little sugar. You will enjoy it.

Good luck.
- 216.251.178.24 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 16:03:51 (UTC)

:
Trix, Yes you can tell I'm hovering over the plauderzimmer making excuses not to work. I've been to Villach and the Faaker See. I have also been to the Gottscheer museum. I have never been to Altfinkenstein.

We have unusual weather here in Albany as well. It is supoose to rain for the next several hours. We really do need the rain. The temperature is in the 50s today. Two weeks ago it was 90 degress. I'm surprised that my flowers are doing as well as they have.

Thanks for the tee suggestion. I have all the ingredients. I haven't had Kamillen tee made exactly that way since childhood.

Thanks for the moral support. I'm going to take my tea and go upstairs to do some writing. You are very sweet.
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 16:20:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: Time for another break, then more tea and more typing.

Picture yourself in Villach looking south. You will see the huge Karawanken Mountain Range (also border with Slovenia) Nestled at the foot of the range is Baumgartnerhof, a motel/restaurant/farm complex. There are only 3 houses in this part. The remains of the Ruine Finkenstein ist just below Baumgartnerhof. The view from there to the valley below including Villach, the W�rthersee and even the Hohen Tauern Mountain Range (Salzburg on the other side) is fantastic. I loved living there, love returning there, have wonderful memories from there but am happy and peaceful in Minnesota too.

Irene, back to the computer. Keep plugging away.
- 209.240.245.149 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 18:40:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I am glad to see that you girls take a break every so often-this is my break right now-Having a nasty weather day here too-maybe i will hVE SOME TEA TOO. I SAW KARNTEN MEBTIONED. My cousin Frank mentioned Karnten yesterday when I called him about the Ferdel Kren info...Can't remember exactly what was connected toKarnten, maybe it was one of Ferdels stores or other business..Can you put Karnten and Ferdel Kren together in any way Trix?
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 19:45:17 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Patrick,
I did a very quick search for you and I found this web site:

http://www.newyorksoccer.com/clubs.htm

It states that Blau Weiss has a division B which is "over 30". They give a contact phone # 609-688-8365. There is a link "schedules" in the left hand side. I clicked on this link and the schedules are for 2001.
- 66.66.193.120 - Friday, April 26, 2002 at 14:30:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. Good that you took another break and check in. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

Paul: Found the article about your friend Ferdl Kren but it was published in 1958. Have not had a chance to read it but it is a biggie. Will need to be translated from the German. Any ideas who could do it? I shall be glad to send you a copy of the original article.

Will try to glance it tonight. Hectic day until then.

Take care everybody and stay warm. Still quite coooool here.
- 216.251.169.30 - Friday, April 26, 2002 at 19:50:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Sunday to you Trix-Thanks for the offer-If you can and have the time-yes, I would like a copy of the article-Cousin Frank will be up from Florida in a few days and he will interpret..Thank You-If you lost my address:Paul Brasino 331 Boundary Ave. Bethpage, N.Y. 11714..Thanks again and have a great day.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 16:49:40 (UTC)

pat:
irene, good evening, was reading your postings about eisenzophs/eisenzaphs, my grandmothers name was josepha eisenzaph on my fathers marriage certificate, i also would like to find info on her
- 204.186.25.33 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 00:40:54 (UTC)

pat:
irene, if any info on a josepha eisenzaph post something here and now and then i do go in here to check things out, thanks
- 204.186.25.33 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 00:41:48 (UTC)

pat:
trix, good evening to you, been thinking about you, and wanted to let you know that me and my daughter are doing fine and taking one day at a time
- 204.186.25.33 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 00:42:27 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
Good evening I have the day off. whoopie-de-doo!
Pat, what do you have on Eisenzaph/Eisenzopf?

- 64.12.105.182 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:03:08 (UTC)

pat:
russell, that was my grandmothers maiden name and she was from gottschee krain
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:05:56 (UTC)

pat:
pat: going to say goodnight will tune in next week, have a good week
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:09:48 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. Monsoon type rains yesterday, but sunny today.
- 65.58.55.210 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:10:40 (UTC)

pat:
russell, before i hit the hay just wanted to say that my grandmother josepha eisenzaph stonitsch was born 1858 in gottschee krain
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:12:34 (UTC)

Russell:
My grandfather's name was Joseph. He was born in Italy in 1892. His father was born in the "area north of Italy" as my mother puts it. I'm not sure (and neither is my mother) exactly what his last name was because between him and his brothers there were 4 differnt variations of the name used.
- 64.12.105.182 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:12:54 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello everyone, Trix, thanks as usual for the encouraging words.
Pat tell me a little more about your grandmother Josephina. When and where was she born? did she come to the states? Is so, when? Who did she marry?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:14:28 (UTC)

Irene:
Cruious, Is either Pat or Margaret any relation to Patrick Jonke who wanted to know about the over 30 soccer team?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:20:24 (UTC)

pat:
irene, my grandmother was born 1858 in hohonegg, passport i have is dated april 3, 1913 whether that was the first time she came over i don't know, she married a mathias stonitsch, possibly changed name to stanitsch, and then when i was born my father changed spelling of last name to stonish
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:20:44 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Don't think we have a Patrick Jonke in the family tree. Have cousins on 2 sides, as my oma was Jonke before and after marriage.
- 65.58.55.210 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:24:03 (UTC)

Irene:
My great Aunt Julie had two sisters and one brother my grantdfather Franz. One of the sister's name was Josehpine.. The name of the third sister escapes me but she married a Meditz. They were all from Hohenegg #17.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:24:06 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Wish I could stay on longer. Must log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.58.55.210 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:25:41 (UTC)

pat:
irene, my fathers brothers name was fred/franz he was a jeweler, and my aunts name was sohie/josepa who married a jacklitsch
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:26:05 (UTC)

Irene:
My great Aunt Julie lived to be very old. Howver, her sisters both died relatively young but they did marry.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:26:15 (UTC)

pat:
irene, sorry that i have to sign off but i must hit the hay, i will talk to you about this again, good talking to you and have a good week
- 204.186.36.163 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:28:03 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello, made it on tonight.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:32:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Pat, My great Aunt Josepfa was born 1881.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:34:29 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Did a quick look at the log tonight and I may have some info for Pat.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:34:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Sharon, Good to have you aboard.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:35:06 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, What info do you have?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:35:49 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I wrote do some quick infor on Eisenzopfs from the microfilm but just from the right side of the book. It came from film #1346982. I have Josepha Eisenzopf b.7/5/1858 married in 1882 to Stomisch b. 1/9/1846. Now thats the best I could read from the films. The names weren't very clear but I did my best to translate.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:37:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I believe it was from page 177 rightside if she obtains the film and wants to look it up.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:38:53 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene How is your paper coming?
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:41:15 (UTC)

Irene:
It is coming along so slowly but steadily, I'm getting discouraged. Thanks for asking.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:43:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Just think its almost over
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:43:30 (UTC)

Irene:
Yes, I hope to be finished a year from May.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:44:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well summer is coming so you can relax and not think about it

- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:45:13 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, Does your work slow down in the summer?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:46:23 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
NO we get the tourist here. Nice thing about living on the border.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:47:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
next month fishing season opens up. The third weekend in May
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:48:08 (UTC)

Irene:
I have a wonderfull curry chicken salid recipe I would like to share. Buty encough chiken breast and microwave. Sprinkle in hot and mild curry to taste. Salt, peper, seedless grapes, celery, nuts and low fat mayonase. Mix well. Taste better if made a day ahead.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:49:38 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I found J.Eisenzopf b. 14/1/1854 married 8/9/1879 to Maria Jonke b.4/3/1861 if anyone was interested
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:51:00 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening everyone. Have had very busy but productive day. No, no, Irene, this is no time to "get discouraged". Getting to this point in your heavy duty studies is a GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. Now hammer the d--- thing home and get it done. When you do we will all rejoice and celebrate.

On to another point. I don't know if any of you have followed a posting in the Gottscheer Bulletin Board by a lady from England who found and purchased a sampler created by a Gottscheerin by the name of Maria Eppich, born in 1903 in Lienfeld by the City of Gottschee. Teresa, the lady in England purchased it from e-Bay, was trying to figure out if Lienfeld was a name or a village. With her knowledge of samplers she decided to pursue this matter, went on the Internet, typed in Lienfeld which connected her to the GHGA Web Site. She took it another step further and decided to write a memo to the 9 board members including me. Received a memo like that, of course, was music to my ears and I, too, needed to pursue it further.

Well, turns out that Maria Eppich was indeed born in Lienfeld, never married and died in New York last year at the age of 97. She has 2 sisters still living, one here the other in Austria.

Being Gottscheer born myself finding this kind of work which was created at a very young age, and taught is schools, is quite a find. So am wondering if any of you might be familiar with Samplers which usually include the alphabe, the numbers, the name of the creator and the date. Would be very nice to identify them and perhaps collect them, or at the very least photos of them, for a possible future publication on a book about the Gottscheer Woman.

I would appreciate you asking your family or friends, particularly the older generation to see what you could learn.

Look forward to reading your responses and/or findings. This is exciting stuff!

Enjoy the evening and take care everyone.
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:51:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, Are these all Hohenegg Eisenzopfs?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:52:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Can you stand of curry when you cook it? When we have an order for Curry Chicken I want to run out of the room. I can't stand that smell. Boy it is sure powerful smell.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:52:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene, would you repeat the recipe again. I am a slow learner I guess or a bad reader. Sounds terrific and I would like to try it.

Danke!
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:53:34 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jonke one I think is from Grafenfeld. Is that a town?
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:53:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: is there a sub for curry? I have used it. What does it taste like?
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:54:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I like to make a salad with bacon bits ( real bacon bits ) and steamed chicken breast boneless and skinless. Then I'll pour some ranch dressing on it. Makes a nice light summer meal when its hot out. Plus I'm trying to stop eating some much deep fried food. Not healthy for me.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:56:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I didn't do anything today but Knit. Tell I'm lazy today.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:58:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Sharon, Grafenfeld is a village immediately to the south of the City of Gottschee.
- 216.251.169.5 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:58:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
You know I think I better get a map so I know where towns are located.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 01:59:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
and another to put on my to do list is scribe to GHGA. I better get on things soon
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:00:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, I don't have measurements for this chicken salid but it is wonderful. Buy enough chicken breast that will feed the number of people you invite. I like to use a mixture of hot and mild curry powder but you could use only either one. If using only one kind of curry I would perfer mild because you can keep adding to it until it tastes right to you. Also Ilike to see the yellow color on the chiken. Put in the mayonase,celery, salt and peper to taste,mix. I put in the grapes next to last. I put in the walnuts when everyone is at my house because you would be surprised at the number of people who have food allergies to nuts. If someone has a nut allergy I put the nuts in a separate bowl and tell people to help themselves on their salid.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:02:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thats a good idea about nuts. We have alot of people ask if we use peanut oil at work. We don't because that is so expense and we don't need it.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:04:07 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Irene did you make any perogies yet? I keep getting bothered about making them.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:05:08 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, I don't know of a sub for curry. Curry is Indian. If you have never used it buy the mild spice and flaver to taste. If you can't find curry, I can send you a bottle.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:06:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
You could make a sub out of it. That sounds really good right now. I would use brown bread subbuns.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:07:25 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri, I haven't made the perogies yet. But I remember our trick about using a glass to cut the dough. I think that is very clever.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:08:22 (UTC)

Irene:
That was a type. It should read "your trick"
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:08:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I just roll out mine and then cut squares about 2 to 3 inches big. place the mix in the center then fold to opposite corners and tuck in the 2 sides and pinch close. Now if I'm right thats the Ukranian way of making them.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:10:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
they should look like rounded off triangles. It takes some time to learn that way. glass is a good way if just starting out.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:11:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I keep the left over dough and roll it out and make squares and cook them up also. I add them to the pot with the perogies. No need to waste.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:13:34 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri, I will need to make it because my husband loves them.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:14:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
They is people in town here who make them and sell them to the local "corner store". You can but them already cooked or uncooked.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:15:14 (UTC)

Irene:
"The Practice"doesn't seem to be on tonight.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:16:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Has he tried saurkraut perogies? This one is easier to make. But already made saurkraut, your grocery store should have it, and put that in the middle of dough. Just drain it off the day before. I find it to wet to put in the dough. My next door neighbour makes home made saurkraut. Very deliciouse.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:18:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Don't forget the sour cream for the perogies. Thats a must.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:19:28 (UTC)

Irene:
I should try that for myself. My husband doesn't like saurkraut. I had a boss a long time ago who made her own saurkraut. Your right it is delicious.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:20:19 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
We have good news here. The Cultarama is a go this year. Just think of all the different food I get to eat this year.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:20:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I don't like the Wine Saurkraut that you can buy. I prefer the plain saurkraut.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:21:36 (UTC)

Irene:
Sherri, Have you met other Gottscheers in Fort Frances? I found that Gottscheers immigrate in clusters at least.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:22:18 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well time to go and I will talk to you another time. Goodnight and take care.
- 206.172.22.55 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:22:42 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, Did we loose you are you still with us?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:22:57 (UTC)

Irene:
Good night Sherri, Good to talk with you.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:23:27 (UTC)

Irene:
Good night to anyone still out there.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 02:25:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Looks like I missed the food session tonite.// Trix I left my address for you but I don't see the message posted here tonite-Did you get it?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 04:00:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul: Saw the address. Thank You. Pages in the mail to you. Enjoy and please share what you learn from them.
- 209.240.245.81 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 17:48:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: It is Monday! Do I hear you clicking away? YES, I DO. Good for you. Stick with it and before you know it, it will be completed.
- 209.240.245.81 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 17:48:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, Thanks for the encouragement. It is greatly appreciated.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 20:09:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy: Only a few pages left to your book.Got a surprise lengthy brreak from work today and read up to page 239..I still say it will make a great TV series...Everyone on this Plauderzimmer who has not bought your book yet should do so now.You have had an extremely interesting life. Among the things i learned from reading, is never to complain about my own childhood, ever again..God love you & yours.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 04:23:31 (UTC)

Trix:
WAY TO GO PAUL. You are a wise man indeed. It does make for wonderful reading. How about all those great photos? We need to encourage all the other Gottscheers who lived through these turbulent times to write about their memories. They are an important component to our history. So, who will be next?
- 216.251.178.7 - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 16:09:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix, You know, when frank comes up from florida for the summer-in just a few days now, I am going to see what interesting Gottscheer stories-history-cultural and otherwise he may have that I might be able to share...My Dear father-inlaw who was in the 1st world war had tpld me many stories-war stories--unfortunately, I cannot repeat the ones i still remember- aint that a kick?
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 04:22:01 (UTC)

Gerry Mantel:
Where do you get this 1936 VHS documentary about Gottschee?
- 216.56.6.238 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 14:44:52 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
To Gerry Mantel:
Send your order to
Mr. Ernst Eppich
(Gottscheer Relief Association)
84-36 267th Street
Floral Park, NY 11001
U. S. A.
Mr. Eppich is the President of the Gottscheer Relief Association.
- 64.229.253.20 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 16:21:21 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello, Thought I would drop in and see how everyone is dong. Weather in Albany is cold and rainy. It has been raining for the last few days. Hope everyone is fine.
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 16:45:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Irene--I am down state, but we have a carbon copy of your weather here. Just finished reading the last few pages of Ridys' book, and now I have to get back to work...Best Regards...........
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 19:16:26 (UTC)

Gerry Mantel:
To Ridy Skyrme: Thanks for the info, regarding the videotape!
- 216.56.6.238 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 14:48:36 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
To Gerry Mantel ~
Are you related to the Mantel family in Kitchener?
- 64.229.233.229 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 14:52:31 (UTC)

Dan:
Just wanted to say hello. I havn't been here for a while. I havn't been feeling well. I miss all the banter about food. Any minute my 7th grandchild will be with us. Maybe today. I hope everyone is well. Is anyone going to Hawley, penn. in June?
- 64.21.105.20 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 17:21:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Dan--Long time--Hope you are feeling OK now-I guess we all get our turn--Congrats on your 7th Grandchild-too bad you can't send a cigar thru the computor--Yes, you did miss some food talk, but I am sure it will come up again. Regards, Paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 20:35:01 (UTC)

franz Schmuck:
Hi anyone who is familiar or knows anthing about a village named mitterdorf by chermoschnitz would appriciate info regaurding same i was born there.

frank Schmuck.
- 66.119.174.159 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 06:08:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks to the great teacher Marilu in Colorado, I have learned to copy and paste a message unto the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer. YIPPEE! A first for this Gottscheerin in Minnesota and for that Marilu I say DANKE, DANKE und noch einmal DANKE. Another huge lesson learned.

Please open the following. The photos are incredible.

A pilot friend told us about this website; it has incredible photographs!

Once at the site, to move through the series of photos, just click on the photo you're currently seeing.

http://www.opensciencenetwork.org/SEPT11/

- 209.240.245.169 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 10:16:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Franz Schmuck. Yes I know the village of Mitterdorf by Tschermoschnitz. Have been there many times and hope to do it many more times. In fact, I was born quite close to Mitterdorf.

Here is my e-mail wyants@mlecmn.net. I would very much enjoy hearing from you. Auf Wiederh�hren und Danke.
- 209.240.245.169 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 10:18:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Dan: I am thinking that there will be quite a few Gottscheers heading for Lukan's in Hawley the last weekend in June. No doubt you know it is the annual meeting of the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. (GHGA) a non-profit association established, 10 years ago this June, for the purposes of preserving "the history, culture and family records of Gottschee", and what a job we have and continue to do too.

If you need any further information let me know. Hope you can join the celebration, not to mention the wonderful food (there is the magic word - food), which is always on the table at Lukan's.

Nice to meet you Dan. Where do you live and to which village or villages in Gottschee might you have a connection?
- 209.240.245.169 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 10:24:19 (UTC)

Dan:
Hi Trix Nice to meet you as well. I have joined the GHGA just recently & health permitting I will be at Hawley Penn. in June. I live in Augusta, New Jersey. Thats in the extreme northwestern part of the state. This is a list of just the villages my grandparents were born in - Widerzug,Bresowitz,Turn,Saderz,Tanzbuchel,Warmberg,Schaeflein,Altenmark,Vertatsch. I am just learning about about my gottscheer heratige. My Mother never talked about it. She was born here & she told me that her parents talked little about it as well. I am sending for Ridy's book so I can learn about what there lives were like. Any help I can get will be ver much appreciated. Thank you so much. Dan
- 64.21.104.126 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 12:44:10 (UTC)

Dan:
Hi Paul, I'll live. I'm felling better now thanks. The 7th grandchild isn't here yet. My daughter in-law is just about ready to pop. Maybe this weekend. We have 3 other grandkids with us this weekend so I will be kept rather busy. I will try to be back on Sunday Nite. Regards Dan
- 64.21.104.126 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 12:49:09 (UTC)

Irene:
The site Trix gave is something to be shared. They are pictures of the world trade center.

- 66.66.193.120 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 16:00:19 (UTC)

Trix:
Dan: Would you please send me an e-mail. I have numerous matters to share with you. My address: wyants@mlecmn.net
Thanks.
- 216.251.178.45 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 16:04:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning Irene. Is this a good day to be "clicking away" or a day off. Raining here so a perfect opportunity not to feel guilty about working outside and spending it on the computer accomplishing much.

Remember, a little each day will bring a quick end and you will be so PROUD. Me too.
- 216.251.178.45 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 16:06:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix...Yhanks for the copy of the Zeitung-just came in the mail minutes ago--hope to see frank on Mon. Or Tues,and he will read it for me..This you know, is going to settle a few questions in my mind about Freds' visit to America..Danke. Have a happy Weekend..Hope to get on on Sunday chat,,,,Regards, Paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 20:22:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to one and all. I figure I have 30 minutes until The Practice so I better check in and say and wish you all the best. Where is everybody tonight?
- 216.251.178.8 - Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 01:31:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, boy, I am in trouble now. It is not Sunday it is Saturday today. I apologize to all of you. Sorry, sorry.
- 216.251.178.8 - Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 01:59:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I have done that a couple of times before, so you are not the only one.
- 205.188.196.56 - Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 03:22:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix, It is 11:20 P.M. here in N.Y. You and Adie must be on the same wave length-Yesterday she thought it was Sat.Then today she had it straightend out, and all of a sudden she says something about the Practice tonite! Hope I can get on tomorrow-we are going to have company in the evening and this particular company have Monday off, so they don't care what time they go home,,,,But they are really good company..Sleeptight Have a nice Sunday...
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 03:30:04 (UTC)

irene:
Hello everyone,

We have had a beautiful day today and yesterday as well. However yesterday the wind was blowing fiercely. Hope all is well with everyone.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:05:09 (UTC)

irene:
Has anyonenoticed that the date seems to be always incorrect. Does it have anything to do with UTC time?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:07:16 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a super week. Will only be on for a short time. Sick husband, from turkey hunting in the cold and wet.
- 65.57.28.165 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:08:20 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
The weather by me was sunny. But a chilly breeze was blowing especially this afternoon. Nice day for a day off.
- 205.188.200.190 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:08:22 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
9:09 PM EDT 1:09 UTC time
- 205.188.200.190 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:09:19 (UTC)

irene:
So is it 1:09 am Monday UTC time?

- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:10:28 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Please explain. What is UTC time??
- 65.57.28.165 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:12:21 (UTC)

Irene:
So Russell have you used the Yahoo people search to locate your American relatives yet?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:13:23 (UTC)

Russell:
It's Monday Morning according to UTC
- 205.188.200.190 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:13:54 (UTC)

Russell:
I've been too busy at work this past week. and too tired at night.
- 205.188.200.190 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:15:29 (UTC)

Irene:
Margaret, Hope there is nothing seriously wrong with your husbband.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:15:52 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Thanks for asking. Not serious, just bad cold. The wild turkeys know enough to keep out of the rain and cold--not so the hunters. Nobody even got a turkey.
- 65.57.28.165 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:17:14 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell, Sorry to hear that. I have my life on hold until I finish my schoolwork. I want to look at the LDS records when I have some free time.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:17:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.57.28.165 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:19:10 (UTC)

Irene:
Auf Wiedersehen Margaret.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:19:51 (UTC)

Irene:
Looks like it is just the two of us on. Do you have childrem?

- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:21:00 (UTC)

Irene:
Well it looks like I'm talking to myself. So Good bye for now.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:25:10 (UTC)

MacLive:
Hello
- 207.71.243.189 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:29:05 (UTC)

MacLive:
Hello
- 207.71.243.189 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:30:00 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, everyone. Or possibly noone. Looks pretty quiet tonight. Will be online so send an email if I don't respond.
- 64.12.104.27 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:30:15 (UTC)

fred falkner( flakner)G. Connect.:
The day i get on the Plauderzimmer. I am all alone
Good night.
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:30:45 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. Fred, don't give up so easily. sometimes it takes awhile for someone to respond. Hello Jim.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:32:12 (UTC)

Russell:
I've having trouble with my computer tonight. I say something then I have trouble getting back to it. I have to leave the site and try all over again.
- 205.188.200.190 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:39:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to all. So, how goes it? What's new in your world?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:39:21 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Trix. It's been a busy day in Colorado. Lots of yard work done.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:40:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Russell, when everything else fails there is always the hammer. Well, not really!
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:40:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Does the work ever quit? I can't believe how busy the days are and how quickly the weeks seem to go. What does it all mean?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:41:18 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi everbody!
Just made it. . .
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:41:50 (UTC)

:
Ridy, how did you make it?
- 67.195.25.68 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:42:49 (UTC)

fred:
how are you
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:42:54 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I should say this has been a busy weekend. It is our annual Blossom Festival. Lots of people in town, big parade Saturday. So I was busy at the store also.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:43:12 (UTC)

Russell:
It means the bills are paid for a month. Then I have to do it all over again!
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:43:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Bingo, there are 5 of us all of a suddent. So, what is the topic we are going to tackle tonight?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:43:47 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Been successfully putting off most of the yardwork. Ground still too damp. But it will soon be here ---- transplanting, buying, planting and repairing. Still things look pretty good for now.
- 64.12.104.27 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:43:51 (UTC)

Russell:
What this room needs is a list of who is in here.
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:44:41 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Anybody planning to do any of the Gottscheer meetings. I am going to be in Hawley and am trying to get to the Long Island and Walden meetings.
- 64.12.104.27 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:44:53 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Russell, that is a good idea. I am not sure how they could do that.
- 64.12.104.27 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:45:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
Had the kids here for Ray's and Caroline's birthday dinner, and I actually survived it!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:45:37 (UTC)

Trix:
We still have winter. Had snow earlier in the week. Today sunshine in the a.m. clouding up by noon and rain 2 p.m. Boy, what does it all mean. Even in Europe they are saying the same thing.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:45:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Russell, usually whoever is talking is who is here! Scroll down and check the names.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:45:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Franz -
I think that's you lurking in the shadows -- on the other hand, I've been wrong before, haven't I?!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:46:38 (UTC)

Russell:
Probably set up a chatroom. Then let everyone know the room have been changed.
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:46:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, we do not want to overlook the topic of food. So, what was menu in Toronto today?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:47:12 (UTC)

Ridy:
I don't want to hear another word about food! I always cook for an army, for which my neighbours on either side of us and across the road are very grateful!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:48:06 (UTC)

Russell:
But how would you know if someone's in here if they're not talking? It would be easy for someone to be lurking.
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:48:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
We had blood sausage for breakfast this morning. My brother made some a couple of weeks ago, and delivered it to us when we were in Deadwood last weekend.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:48:34 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred - it's great having you join us! Stick around, OK?!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:48:53 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Russell, we don;t mine when someone is lurking....they usually join us eventually.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:49:12 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
whoops dont MIND
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:49:24 (UTC)

Irene:
Margaret, Hope there is nothing seriously wrong with your husbband.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:50:17 (UTC)

Russell:
Closest I had to Blood Sausage were Turkey Franks (Without sugar!) for dinner
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:50:19 (UTC)

Trix:
Are we talking about Fred Falkner born in the Auersperg Castle in the City of Gottschee? Exciting about the trip, Fred?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:50:40 (UTC)

Ridy:
Russell -- I have, on occasion, received an e-mail from somebody who either agreed or disagreed with something I said on the Plauderzimmer, but they seem to be too shy to join in publicly. I don't mind either way, and shy is not one of my obvious problems!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:51:43 (UTC)

Russell:
I just don't like it when someone's in here being quiet.
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:51:45 (UTC)

fred:
Hi trix thank you for the info. just printing it
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:51:51 (UTC)

Trix:
I love blood sausage. Serve it with sauerkraut (Gottscheer style - the best there is) and mashed potatoes. Nummy! Marilu, were they made with rice or barley? My mom and dad made them all the time too.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:52:12 (UTC)

fred:
you are making me hungry at 10pm not a good time
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:53:41 (UTC)

Trix:
I think some people are very shy. I have had people tell me they don't feel they are smart enough to participate. Believe me, there is time I feel the same way so I just make dumb mistakes. That's ok too.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:53:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trust me, Russell, there are always 'ghosts' lurking in the shadows around here!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:53:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Russell, this chat room has been going on for many years, and seems to be doing ok. I have been here for about 2 years now, maybe longer. Always enjoy it very much. A bunch of wonderful people I have met here.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:53:56 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, we use neither rice or barley in ours. We put it in big casings so we can slice it and fry it. Then we eat it on white bread with dark corn syrup. Love it!
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:55:28 (UTC)

Russell:
Also there is the point where I don't know if the person I'm talking to is in here or not.
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:55:33 (UTC)

fred:
I am new at this help me out
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:55:36 (UTC)

Ridy:
We didn't use rice or barley in ours either. . . .but dark corn syrup on blood sausage? Now you've lost me -- forever I think! That's a combination unheard of in Gottschee - I think!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:57:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Anybody know any good stories about the Gottscheer Woman? I am talking about her skills, working habits, talents, responsibilities? Would love it if you shared them. We need to honor the Gottscheer Woman. She was an icon and those of us born to them try hard to carry on the proud tradition. Any thoughts?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:57:10 (UTC)

Russell:
Go to the frig Fred and pick on some leftover dinner.
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:57:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred - nothing to it. Just keep chatting with us! That's why it's called a chat room. Like having company without having to clean the house or prepare a meal!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:58:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, the combination of spicy and sweet is very good. I am not sure where my family learned this. I think it may have been my dad's German side of the family.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:58:17 (UTC)

Ridy:
I don't think there's anything specifically unique about
Gottscheer women. There were terrific women and there were less terrific ones. Just like in every other culture.
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:59:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred: Tell us about your day today. What did you do (well, only tell us the safe stuff, ok?); what was the weather like? etc etc etc
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:59:39 (UTC)

fred:
I made GANZERLEIN (Polenta) for supper it was Ausgezeihnet
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 01:59:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
Marilu - it doesn't sound like a combination I'd expect to find in Germany either. But then, I've never looked for it!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:00:35 (UTC)

Irene:
Well I went away when I thought I was talking to myself. Then I was lurking, and now I'm saying good night and am going to watch the practice.
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:00:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred, can I come next time? I have not had Ganzeilein for years and years. My dad made the best and it too was ausgezeichnet. I loved it with schaure Ruabn (sour turnips). Nummy!
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:01:27 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred - do you make the kind you have to stir constantly until they're finished or the lazy version like I make when forced to make them, where I stick them in the oven in a casserole dish and let them soak up the liquid without any help from me?
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:02:09 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy try it next time and see what you think. My family sure like it. All my kids and some of the grandkids. All my brothers and sister also. We grew up on it.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:02:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Food - food - food. Off to the fridge!!!

- 64.12.104.27 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:02:30 (UTC)

Russell:
I'm also leaving. Not that I want to watch TV. But I have to be at work tomorrow and I'd like to get some sleep before I have to work. Good Night!
- 64.12.107.37 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:02:34 (UTC)

fred:
I had a great day I opened the Gottscheer Connection and to my surprise my name was FLAKNER not FALKNER.
And i tought you liked my photo
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:03:16 (UTC)

Ridy:
Is 'Nummy' a Minnesota word? Around here we say 'Yummy' - by 'here' I mean Toronto. Of course, some people don't think we speak english at all!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:03:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Now Jim what else did you expect????
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:03:38 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred, I apologize. Typo No. 4, Darn it anyway. You try so hard and you still miss a letter here and there and yes, Fred, I LOVED THE PHOTO! I REALLY DID. Thank you for sharing.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:04:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
'Night Russell! Join us again. . . .
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:04:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Nummy is a Trix word. I am known to listen to my own drummer from time to time. This is one of those times. It gets people's attention.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:05:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Now that I like! Can I use that line, Trix? I'm forever being told I use words that don't exist. From now on those shall be classified as 'Ridy' words in this household. OK?
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:06:50 (UTC)

fred:
Bring the water to a boil put in the cornmeal and stir with a fork cook out all the water
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:07:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yup - that's how my mother made them too. My kids loved them. I liked them when they were lightly roasted in a bit of butter. Then when you poured milk over them they formed little 'stars'! Remember that?
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:08:45 (UTC)

fred:
OK trix all is forgiven
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:08:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Perfectly ok Ridy! Have fun with it.

Fred, thanks for the lesson. What else do you cook well?
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:09:09 (UTC)

Trix:
On to another question. You have to admit I keep trying. Is anyone familiar with the beautiful woodcarvings by a Mr. Gottfried K�nig from Gutenberg by P�llandl? Anyone lucky enough to have some? Talk about exquisite work!! We need to identify the Gottscheer artisans. There are so many out there and very few of us know about them. Come to think of it, maybe I am the only who doesn't know about them.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:11:16 (UTC)

Trix:
Anybody going to the big New York picnic in June? Should be a fun time.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:12:56 (UTC)

fred:
The Ganzerlein are great the next day put into a pan and fried with eggs.
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:13:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
Anybody coming to the Treffen in Kitchener over Labor Day weekend?
http://www.alpineclub.ca/
Check out their web site for information!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:14:13 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy I sure wish I could be there. But my neice is getting married in Minnesota the next weekend after that, and that is where I will be.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:15:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred, I think you have convinced me. I am going to give it a try.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:15:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred, my brother was always told to eat Ganzalein because it would make the hair grow on his chest. As a result I thought I'd better stay away from them! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:15:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, I agree. I wish I could be there too. Always enjoyed attending them. But this year it looks like no travel time.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:16:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Marilu - my daughter told me this evening that they've scheduled their housewarming for that weekend! Now mother has a problem to solve!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:16:44 (UTC)

fred:
I must say goodnight. You are making me hungry. Hope to talk to you next week
- 152.163.205.73 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:17:05 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes Ridy you do have a problem! lolol
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:17:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
G�tei Nocht, Fred. See you next week!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:17:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
What happened to my cousin Jim?
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:18:40 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Bouncing in and out. Went to the fridge for some cold pizza. I love pizza. Very light food :) !!!
- 64.12.104.27 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:28:10 (UTC)

Trix:
I wish you all a very good evening and a good week. The same to all of our friends who are not able to join us tonight. Time to call it a night. It's been a busy week. Take care and think happy thoughts.
- 216.251.169.22 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:29:26 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I just had some wonderful news. One of my "rich" second cousins donated 15 computers to a new catholic grade school in my Peshel's town in Nebraska.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:30:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Well, it looks like everyone is leaving here. See you next week.
- 198.81.17.36 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:33:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
Good night, everyone!
- 65.95.228.161 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:34:52 (UTC)

:
Guetei Nocht, Ridy.
- 65.227.57.220 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:48:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I knew I wouid not make it at all tonite, but hello and good nite anyway..Dan, Are you Grandpa for the 7th time yet?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 04:28:25 (UTC)

Irene:
I gave a beautiful hand carved wooden cruicfix to my church. It was made by a Gottscheer. My aunt and uncle also have a beautiful handcarved nativity sceen, but I don't think the woodcarver's name ws Konig. The cross is hanging in one of the devotional rooms. I could take a picture of it if you would like?
- 66.66.193.120 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 12:57:56 (UTC)

Trix:
I would love a photo. Can you find out who carved both items? Irene - it is Monday. Do I hear those fingers clicking away? Give yourself a full hour, listen to soft classical music, sip on a cup of Kamillen Tee (caffeine free) and take a break. I need to clean and will do the same thing ok?
- 216.251.169.33 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 15:54:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Is the spelling on the tea right? Looks funny to me.
- 216.251.169.33 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 15:55:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi everyone--Have a happy Monday..Have to go back to work..
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 15:57:28 (UTC)

Trix:
An update: For all 27 members and extended family of the GHGA going on the June 12 - 26, Discover Gottschee Tour 2002, you will have the option to also visit Untersteiermark this year. This will be a first and I believe it is an excellent addition to future tours to the former homeland. Untersteiermark (Lower Styria) as you probably all know is the region to which the Gottscheers were resettled in the winter of 1941/42. Should be quite a side trip.
- 216.251.169.33 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 16:00:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix -
Hope you get some good photos from people going on that trip. Would be very interesting to see some of those places now. Can't really remember all that much about the different places anymore. Over half a century ago! My personal special interests would be places where we lived, of course.
Nothing wrong with that spelling, Trix. . .
- 64.229.233.61 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 16:10:28 (UTC)

Dan:
Paul, Not yet. The baby is dropping more & More all the time. The doctor says it can be any time now. Heading over my son's for dinner so i've got to go. see ya later.
- 64.21.105.188 - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 21:28:54 (UTC)

Dan:
Good Morning everyone. Happy Thursday. We had our 7th grandchild arrive last nite. "PATRICK RYAN STAPEL" 8lbs 4oz.21 inches long. Mom & Child doing great.
- 64.21.105.212 - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 15:31:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
CONGRATULATIONS DAN....WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 16:53:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Dan, CONGRATULATIONS from this Gottscheerin in Minnesota too. Glad everyone is doing fine. Enjoy!
- 209.240.237.137 - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 20:39:52 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix-Gonna leave in a few minutes to meet a party of Gottscheers--Guess where! Bella Napoli Italian Restaurant.did I brainwashthem or what? Have a nice evening Trix-stay well,,,,,I hope to get the Report tonite on the article in the Zeitung-gave it to frank last nite to read--also gave him Ridy's book--he was very impressed with the pictures and is anxious to read the book...
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 22:29:43 (UTC)

frank schmuck:
Hi Sophia sorry about not getting back to you my e mail is stuck in the out box as soon as it will give it up you should get it good night from vancouver.
- 66.119.174.15 - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 04:54:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Frank, THANK YOU. My goodness - what next? Anything can happen with a computer. Hang in there!!!
- 216.251.169.41 - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 11:35:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Morning Trix & a good one to you. Never got the article read to me last nite-everyone was too busy partying...Have a nice day..
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 13:59:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
This is going to be a busy weekend, as i am sure everyone will agree..So I take this opportunity to wish you all a very HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY..GOD BLESS ALL THE MOMMYS HERE AND IN HEAVEN...ADIE & PAUL
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 19:37:37 (UTC)

Irene:
Congratulations Dan!!. We know what this baby's heritage is. His name tells it all. Again, congratulations.
- 66.66.193.120 - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 19:57:50 (UTC)

Dan:
Thank you all. Believe it or not there is no Irish in anyone here. Our side or our daughter in-laws. With every good it seems there must be a bad. My Aunt Lillian Stanford(Kobetitsch) passed on this evening at about 6:30 Eastern time. I will miss her with all my heart.
Thanks again to everyone. Dan Stapel

- 64.21.104.190 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 00:28:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Dan: Sincere sympathy to you and yours. No doubt about it - a huge loss. I share in your sadness.
- 216.251.169.41 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 12:51:05 (UTC)

Irene:
Yes, Dan, our deepest sympathy to you and your family. Think of it as the circle of life that keeps going around and around.
- 66.66.193.120 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 17:15:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Dan: Sincere condolences to you and yours-sorry about your Aunt Lillian, The Lord giveth and he taketh. We will remember you all in our prayers..Do you remember wheni told you about our Aunt Albina Kren -maiden name Kobetitsch from Glendale, N.Y.?
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 18:00:36 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ganzelein! Boy does that bring back memories. My oma made it for a Friday (no meat) main dish. Is it the cornmeal stuff that was sort of like mush? Ate a bunch of that!
- 65.56.148.191 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 18:36:30 (UTC)

Dan:
Paul, With everything that has been going on I dont recall your info about our Aunt Albina Kren(Kobetitsch). Could you please refresh my memory. Thank you very much for your condolences & prayers
- 64.21.101.10 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 22:18:38 (UTC)

Dan:
Thanks to everyone for their prayers & condolences. It means alot.

- 64.21.101.10 - Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 22:19:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Albina Kobetitsch married Joe Kren who was brother to my brother-in-law Alois Kren...Dan, she now lives with her daughter in California,,,,I mentioned her name when I saw one of your very first messages, I think.....Have a good night-sleep well,,,,,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 04:01:22 (UTC)

Franz:
"HAPPY MOTHERSDAY" to all you special Ladies, and all the others.

- 65.227.57.195 - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 11:10:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank you gentlemen for the good wishes. It is a cold, raining and gray Mother's Day in Minnesota but the presence of 3 children,7 grandchildren and a loving husband makes for a sunny day. To all other Mother's enjoy it! Take it easy and do something for yourself. YOU EARNED IT.
- 209.240.245.157 - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 14:10:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY to all the women of the Plauderzimmer.
- 205.188.195.42 - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 17:29:20 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dan, condolences to the family. I sent Joey an email as soon as I read your posting. Congratulations on the grandchild.
- 205.188.195.42 - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 17:34:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Mothers Day Trix-In ref to your last message-Adie says to tell you"You got that right"---I concur--& second the motion...Have a very good day....
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 19:27:13 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Dan ~ condolences to all your family.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 00:58:00 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Mother's Day to all. Very cold and rainy in KCMO. We may have to build an ark soon. Gues I'd better find some gopher wood.
- 64.154.125.25 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:16:13 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hardly anyone on tonight. Guess everyone is celebrating with their families. Will log off now. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Does anyone have a recipe for ganzelein??
- 64.154.125.25 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:22:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Margaret and Ridy, greetings to you both. Hope you had a wonderful day. We are enjoying sunshine after 2 days of rain, feels very good. Fishing pretty slow. Am looking forward to some good conversation tonight. Remember, the Practice starts in 45 minutes.
- 209.240.245.99 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:22:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Margaret!
I'll bite -- what's gopher wood? I may also have to find some if it's recommended for building an ark! Toronto is soggy and chilly.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:23:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Trix!
No Practice here as far as I know. We're watching hockey!
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:24:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Remember the Sampler that was created by Maria Eppich of Lienfeld in 1911? A lady in England bought it on e-Bay? Well, she has really fallen in love with the history and talents of the Gottscheers and has just completed a duplicate of the original sampler beautifully crafted by Ms. Eppich. Now she is thinking of flying to Trieste, taking a train to Slovenia and hooking up with the Gottscheers during their trip. Her main desire, of course, is to attend mass in the City of Gottschee, participate in the cultural program and picnic which will follow and then visit the village of Lienfeld. This is what I call dedication and friendship.
- 209.240.245.99 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:30:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
Interesting!
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:32:54 (UTC)

Trix:

Things My Mother Taught Me

My Mother taught me LOGIC..."If you fall off that swing and break your neck, you can't go to the store with me."

My Mother taught me MEDICINE..."If you don't stop crossing your eyes, they're going to freeze that way."

My Mother taught me TO THINK AHEAD..."If you don't pass your spelling test, you'll never get a good job!"

My Mother taught me ESP..."Put your sweater on; don't you think that I know when you're cold?"

My Mother taught me TO MEET A CHALLENGE..."What were you thinking? Answer me when I talk to you...Don't talk back to me!"

My Mother taught me HUMOR..."When that lawn mower cuts off your toes, don't come running to me."

My Mother taught me how to BECOME AN ADULT..."If you don't eat your vegetables, you'll never grow up.

My mother taught me ABOUT SEX..."How do you think you got here?"

My mother taught me about GENETICS..."You are just like your father!"

My mother taught me about my ROOTS..."Do you think you were born in a barn?"

My mother taught me about the WISDOM of AGE..."When you get to be my age, you will understand."

My mother taught me about ANTICIPATION..."Just wait until your father gets home."

My mother taught me about RECEIVING..."You are going to get it when we get home."

And, my all-time favorite - JUSTICE..."One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out just like YOU -- then you'll see what it's like."

- 209.240.245.99 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:54:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Just stopping by. I am sure tonight will be fairly hit and miss. Again, Happy Mother's Day.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:59:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
The hockey game is over (Toronto won!) so I guess the Practice is about to start.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:01:12 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
too much TV at Plauderzimmer time. Ridy, How are you doing? We went to Oma's today. Linda wants Mother's Day at home --no travelling, no cooking, relaxation and pizza. Sounds good to me.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:05:13 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Congratulations on the Toronto win.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:05:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
Just received an e-mail message from "johnk" which was zapped by my anti-virus program because it was infected. I don't know who "johnk" is. . . .Just in case it's from someone who visits the Plauderzimmer.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:08:39 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Thanks for the warning. Unless I know the person and the contents sound correct, I just delete the email.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:10:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
We actually celebrated Mother's Day last Sunday because both kids knew they'd be working today. However, Caroline made a detour and stopped off at a fabulous Italian mini-market, and picked up all my favorite treats, including huge shrimp! And the strawberries are the size of small apples. Absolutely delicious. Plus a stack of books!!! I am content!
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:11:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
My virus scan deletes the message before I see it but sometimes lets me see the sender's name and e-mail address. I've had at least a dozen in the last two weeks! My Norton program even screens the messages I send out. It sometimes becomes tedious to have to wait until it's cleared, but it's worth it, when you consider the havoc a virus can wreak!
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:14:32 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sounds like a quiet but satisfying day. Huge shrimp, yum --. Has the Alpine Club started gearing up for the Treffen? How many members are Gottscheers?
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:15:48 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I haven't updated my virus program recently but should do it. I have been lucky with respect to viruses. Have to keep my fingers crossed.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:16:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
Haven't heard too much lately because my sister has been busy looking after her husband and not able to go to meetings. But the last I heard things were humming along nicely. A friend in BC just made her reservation yeserday. I don't know how many of the members are Gottscheers, but most of them have a close Gottscheer connection. That's a good question to ask one of these days. I know the Cleveland Choir will sing at the Mass on Sunday, and they are wonderful!
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:20:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
http://www.alpineclub.ca/
Just in case anyone is looking for the address where you'll find all the information about the Treffen, I've copied it above.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:22:08 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good continued luck with your sister and her husband. Still don't think I will be getting to visit my northern neighbors. Just a bad weekend to be travelling. I should have made the one in New York last year.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:29:44 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We are having a "space" delayed conversation with a response every five or so minutes. A list to tell us who is in the chatroom would come in handy. I just don't know if you are here or bouncing back and forth. Probably the same with me for you.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:31:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Will you be going to the picnic in New York on June 2? I'm toying with the idea again - since Christopher will pop for the flight if I decide to go. Being a mother does have certain benefits which are not immediately obvious!
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:33:09 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am going to the Long Island meeting unless something happens at work. I will be driving over. Still toying with the idea of bringing the laptop with me. I brought it last year and several people were interested when I looked up their families on the computer.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:36:42 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Have you been to one before? If so when was your last visit? Your first? It would be interesting to see how your experiences have changed. I can see how that used to be a vital part of the community. It is still well attended but I bet it was a huge event earlier on.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:38:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
I've never been to the picnic in New York, although my parents and Alfons and my sisters used to go. However, I've been to the Treffen in Cleveland (before it was called the Treffen officially) and to the ones in Toronto and Kitchener, of course.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:40:30 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Still plugging away at the records. As I put the data in, I check to see if it helps any of my Gottscheer buddies with their family trees. About 12 or 13 names so far.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:43:34 (UTC)

Ridy:
I didn't do much work on our family tree while I was writing the book, and now that I'm getting back to it, it's almost like starting from scratch. I'm incorporating a lot of photos this time, where I have them -- only for the last couple of generations, of course. I do seem to have lost or misplaced some of the earlier files, though, and Christopher thinks it may have happened during one of the crashes due to a virus. Touch wood, I haven't had one since last fall.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:47:37 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
If you need anything from me, just ask and I will send it along to you. I can send it as a GED file and you will be able to read it directly into your program.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:50:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
Don't have a clue what a GED file is!
Thanks for your offer -- more than likely you'll hear from me! You know I love to let other people do my work for me, especially when I'm not sure of my footing.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:52:37 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
A GED is a standard genealogy file type. Since I am using FTM version 8.0, your version probably would not accept a version 8.0 format but it will accept the GED format.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:57:28 (UTC)

Ridy:
You're right. . . I'm still using version 6.
Does that mean if you sent me a GED file I could just slip it into my FTM and I would not have to type in every entry from scratch? Or am I dreaming wishfully?
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:01:01 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
That is correct. You will be a computer superstar. GED file to you, you open it with your program and everything is in there just as if you had done it yourself. I tend to print everything out before I hand type it in. I use it to crosscheck the information before it goes in. From your point of view, it would be easier just to download it and go.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:09:55 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Time for me to grab some zzzzzz's. Have a good week.
- 205.188.195.42 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:10:29 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gute Nacht, Jim, and have a good week and stay dry.
- 64.229.237.252 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:13:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Boy, Ridy & Jim,You guys really know what you are doing..I admire you and Trix and all who can work these things out.
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:33:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix--Frank gave me the info and his interpretation of the Zeitung article--I won't enter it here and take up room--will e-mail you...Hope you all had a very nice Mothers Day.
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:35:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helloooooo--Good Monday to you all......I am on my coffee break--anyone about?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 20:02:11 (UTC)

Russell:
Spending my night off from work and just looking to see who's on. Best time to be on is sunday nights :-( when I'm working
- 64.12.107.32 - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 05:40:28 (UTC)

ridy:
Hi Russell!
Was chatting with another Doucette last week. He tells me there are about 250,000 of you scattered all over North America and you all go back to two rather prolific brothers who lived in Quebec a few centuries ago! Great history!
- 65.95.229.149 - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 15:41:41 (UTC)

Russell:
I wonder who this other Doucette might be? I've been trying to find out about family for 5+ years thru the computer. I've found alot of people but very few known relatives. eg. People that I have found a common ancestor.
- 64.12.107.38 - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 19:24:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Russell ~
He's a retired Professor here at the University of Toronto. . . taught French.
- 65.95.229.149 - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 19:59:03 (UTC)

Russell:
What's his name?
- 64.12.107.38 - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 20:05:56 (UTC)

Ridy:
Russell ~
send me an e-mail to ridy@sympatico.ca
I'll try to get his e-mail address for you.
- 65.95.229.149 - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 20:34:55 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good evening and good nite everyone-been missing you all..
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:05:26 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
My G. Grandfather's occupation was Hausler. What does Hausler mean in English?
- 206.172.22.34 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 03:39:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
My Langenscheidt gives H�usler as 'cottager' -- but I have no idea what it actually means. Maybe somebody out there in cyberspace can enlighten us both, Sharon
- 64.229.252.128 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 04:19:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning. Here is something new worth checking:

"Hi Sophia,My cousin Josef Gladitsch who lives in Munich has made a Gottscheer Web-site in German.The address is www.Gottschee.de
Check it out when you have time.Bye"
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:01:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy and Sharon; Do you suppose the word could have Hausier?
How are both doing? I could really enjoy some great Chinese Food, Sharon. And Ridy, I see you have had a lot of rain too. Spring is coming, I think. Enjoy the day!
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:03:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Sharon: If the word is Hausier I think it means "Peddler of goods". Many Gottscheer men did that during the winter months throughout Austria and perhaps Germany too.
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:04:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: A good day for typing! Let them fingers do their thing. Remember "Viele H�nde (or fingers here) machen ein schnelles Ende" or "Many hands make quick end". Good luck.
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:07:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Sorry about the duplicate. Too many fingers, I guess.
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:09:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Does anyone have access to the church records for the parish of Tschernembl or Cernomelj? How about a mailing address? Will be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:11:49 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, what do you need to know. I have about 15 films from Tschernembl.
- 64.12.106.53 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 11:39:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Marilu: THANK YOU. A friend, living in England, needs information. I will ask her to e-mail you directly. Appreciate it.
- 209.240.245.86 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 16:51:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix and Sharon:
I don't think the word would be Hausierer -- checked a little further and it appears to mean that they only owned or rented the house, not the land surrounding it. That was not uncommon, after a property had been divided among several children, somebody might end up with the house but no fields to go with it. I'm intrigued and will check a bit further when I have time.
- 64.229.234.166 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 18:09:46 (UTC)

Irene:
Thank you for remembering me. I have been "lurking" since I haven't anything intellegent to say.

Trix, we accidently threw out the envelope with your address on it. Could you send me your address to my private email? Do you still have my email address?
- 66.66.193.120 - Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 23:27:14 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy Genius, your last interpretation of a "Haeusler" is right on. Leave it to the famous Author.
- 65.227.57.216 - Friday, May 17, 2002 at 12:02:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks everyone for the info. Kate Pruente send the info from the microfilm and she wrote beside the occupation "Hausler" Now I know they had bad handwriting back then so translating it is a task on its own. I know Haus means house in German. From what my Dad told me is that when Grandpa lived there, He owned the land because he sold it after the 2nd war. I don't know if G. Grandpa owned the same land or if Grandpa bought his own land. I would like to find out where the farm used to be. I think it would be kinda fun to find.
- 206.172.22.97 - Friday, May 17, 2002 at 18:09:37 (UTC)

Irene:
Sharon, Which village are you talking about, Katzendorf or Hohenegg.
- 66.66.193.120 - Friday, May 17, 2002 at 18:27:27 (UTC)

Irene:
Bye everyone until Wed. I'm going with my husband to Philadelphia to one of his conferences. Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend. I'll miss all the interesting things you all have to say.
- 66.66.193.120 - Friday, May 17, 2002 at 22:45:05 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well I'm not sure because I still need to establish which village they lived on before coming to Canada. But their passports say Onek, so I'm going to have to say they had land in Onek.

- 206.172.22.173 - Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 03:59:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I have a question to anyone who understands reading the microfilms. What does 1/2 or 1/8 mean when its under the fathers name in the records in the baptism books. Does it stand for how many children they had, and it shows that that child is the first of how many they had?
- 206.172.22.173 - Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 04:32:58 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sharon, the fractions usually referred to the amount of land that the person owned----- 1/2 hubler, 1/4 hubler and so on. Akin to 1/2 acre, 1/4 acre. Hubler was a Gottscheer measurement for land. I am not sure how much land in terms of square foot or acre.
- 205.188.200.192 - Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 15:04:10 (UTC)

Ridy H�gler Skyrme:
Just checked in Walter Tschinkel's Gottscheer dictionary and a Hube (Hubler is the person who own a Hube)consists of 60 Joch. Now if only I could find out the size of a Joch compared to an acre, we'd have some idea of sizes - maybe.
- 64.229.234.247 - Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 15:44:01 (UTC)

Ridy H�gler Skyrme:
Great help! A Joch is the area a pair of oxen could plow in a day. Anybody have a pair of oxen and a plough and wants to give it a try?
- 64.229.234.247 - Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 15:47:37 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well I have a 4-wheeler. Does that count?
- 206.172.22.117 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 02:45:23 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
This is from a book on research in Gottschee from GHGA--A hube is a measure of land approximately equal to 20 hectares or 50 acres. The first Gottscheers colonists each received a hube, also referred to as a "hide" of land, as an enticement to open the new land. He passed this land on to his heirs. Thus, after the passage of years, some Gottscheers ended up with only one-quarter or one-half of the original grant.
- 152.163.213.52 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 04:29:44 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi everyone-Just want to wish you all a happy weekend,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 06:08:56 (UTC)

Frank:
I was under the impression that a Joch was the gear placed on an oxens neck to witch the harness and plough or wagen was attached,at least that is what we called it when I was a boy of 14years
- 66.119.174.197 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 11:28:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Frank ~ you are absolutely right about that. Joch is the German word for yoke.
However, another meaning for the word Joch is given as: Fl�chenma� (57,5462a: urspr. die Fl�che, die mit einem Joch Ochsen in einem Tag gepfl�gt werden konnte); mhd. joch, ahd. joh;
For the word Hube the definition given is:
Fem., Grund und Boden im Ausma� von 60 Joch;...."St�ck Land von gewisser Gr��e": "Landbesitz von einer gewissen Anzahl Joche"
I've copied the above from Volume I of the "W�rterbuch der Gottscheer Mundart" by Walter Tschinkel
Could those numbers - 57,5462a - mean that one Joch was
57� acres? That would make a Hube 57.5462 x 60 = 3452.772 acres. In other words, it would be large enough to be divided many times among many times over the centuries. Does that make sense to anyone? I really can't visualize it - and I have no idea if this is the correct interpretation or not. Actually, it would seem like a very large piece of land to be worked by one farmer with primitive farm implements - although a lot of the land would have been covered by forests, which had to be cleared.
I would very much appreciate it if somebody out there in cyberspace could enlighten me on this.
- 64.229.235.234 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 12:13:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry - that's what I come up with when I don't proofread my postings before I click send!
What the one convoluted sentence is supposed to convey is that the original parcel of land would have been large enough to be divided many times among succeeding heirs over several centuries. My apologies.
- 64.229.235.234 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 12:18:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Have all my chat room friends taken the day off?--Enjoy your Sunday...
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 18:50:02 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Ein herzliches Guten Abend Allen Gottscheer�n.
Besonders herzliche Gr��e an Ridy und Jim aus �sterreich.
F�r mich ist jetzt leider Zeit zum Schlafen gehen.
Gr��e an Alle, Gerhard
- 212.152.151.144 - Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 22:07:41 (UTC)

Pat Stonish Warning:
Trix, just wanted to say hi
- 207.44.5.90 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 00:53:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gr�� Euch Gott, Alle miteinander out there in cyberspace! Is everyone being fashionably late today?
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:30:47 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
HHHEEELLLLOOOO Is anyone checking in tonite???
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:31:04 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy!
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:31:35 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Marilu! We've got lift-off!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:32:19 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Well, how is everything in Canada? We have a forest fire burning south of town, a few miles. Started from lightening. We had a LITTLE rain Thursday, and it has been cloudy but we need days of rain.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:33:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
If it's a weather report you want, get ready. This is our first long weekend of the summer season and we had ice pellets today; in Kitchener they had snow and ice pellets; there was frost all around us. I went to have a look at Caroline and David's house today, which lacks windows and doors at this point, and I froze to death -- almost. And apparently only a small number of hardy souls ventured up to their cottages -- this is traditionally the weekend when everybody opens up their cottage. We don't have one, so that doesn't worry me. But this is crazy! The mildest winter is being followed by the coldest spring. I protest! Just haven't figured out to whom.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:37:23 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Did we get everything figured out land measurements this weekend??
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:39:28 (UTC)

Ridy:
Don't really know. I'm very bad at that sort of stuff. I can tell you how long a kilometer or a mile is because I can measure it on the the car instruments, but beyond that, I have to take everyone else's word for it.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:43:16 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hmmm -- talking to myself is becoming rather boring!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:49:47 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I worked outside today in the flower beds and then had to take a treatment in the hottub. then went and bought some more flowers for more work. How silly is that!!
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:50:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes, I wonder where everyone is tonite.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:50:51 (UTC)

Ridy:
This is also traditionally the busiest weekend at the nurseries, but I bet they had very few customers today. Hope they don't end up losing the whole crop if it gets really cold overnight. We're going down to freezing! Ugh!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:52:08 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I guess we are all having crazy weather. Illinois is flooding and we could use some of their rain. It has been cold in Minnesota where my sis lives, and I don't know how much of their crops they have in yet.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:54:14 (UTC)

Ridy:
Marilu ~
Remember when you and your sister were scheduled to go to New York and 9/11 scotched that? Air Canada is having a seat sale until the end of June, and I found some terrific deals on hotels in NYC, so I decided I had waited long enough to visit the big city, and set up a nice loooong weekend, complete with airline and hotel reservations. The Holiday Inn on Central Park South has rooms for $120 US (of course!). Then I got a rude awakening. I don't have an up to date passport. I did that once before, and then promptly forgot about it. Now I have a big note to myself on the 'fridge to renew my passport p.d.q.! Having been born in Yugoslavia, the Americans classified me as an Undesirable Alien when I was legally living and working in Ann Arbor -- but I can't go back without a valid passport! Photo ID won't do it anymore. I am miffed!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 01:59:18 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Undesirable alien. Pinheads!!! How could they even think of keeping a best selling author and leading Gottscheer literary star out of the United States?
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:01:05 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
How fun. Who is going with you. And when are you going?
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:02:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I have to sign off on some reports. Ridy, I read the note from Gerhard. Can you do me the favor of translating it for me so that I do not miss any nuances? I sent you a copy of my response. Please be kind.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:02:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Jim!
:-) and lololol
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:02:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I agree with you Jim! How are you tonite?
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:02:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim - I'll get to the translation as soon as I stop laughing. . . Gimme a few minutes.
Marilu -- I don't know if I'll get the passport in time to rebook at the discounted rates. When you're paying with Canadian dollars, you basically can count on doubling the price, and that hurts. One of my elderly lady friends wanted to join me. We both like museums and art galleries and window shopping!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:06:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to one and all. I agree, what a spring this has been. But, this afternoon it actually got nice and warm and I spent hours getting the garden ready and hauling dirt to fill in the burned out spots in the yard. Have a number of projects to finish yet but wanted to stop by and tell you all hi. Keep visiting - I'll be back.

I am very interested in anyone sharing photos of Samplers that were crafted by the talented Gottscheers. Any ideas who might have some? Everyone remember the Sampler by Maria Eppich from Lienfeld. Well, what a great story that has turned out to be complete with a duplicate of her 1911 original work having now been completed by Teresa in England.
See you soon.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:08:30 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am off for a couple of days this week and hope to get in some planting. It is still a tad on the cool side but hopefully this is the last cold snap for the year. I did do some transplanting earlier and they are holding up well.

- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:15:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, that is a great story about the embroidery. Will make a nice article for the publication.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:16:18 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
What happened to everyone?? I took a shower so it can't be me.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:27:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I was wondering the same thing! Are you still searching the Ellis Island records. I never have found the Maria Plautz I was looking for in them. However, I did finally find out that my Maria Peschel in New York did not marry the Ludwig Kump that was her contact in New York. Some one send me info from the census that listed him with another wife.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:30:53 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I get back into the Ellis Island information when someone sends me a query. Most times when I look at a new ship manifest, I find another misspelling or missing Gottscheer. That then leads me down another one or two paths which often split again.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:34:20 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
For the most part, the Ellis Island list stands at its current level. It is a great resource but it can not be published because of copyright rules. The list is much more accurate in its spellings than the original list that is found online. It would be a good trade off --- let the GHGA use the list as it would like and the Ellis Island foundation could use the list to correct the many misspellings. Oh well, corporate stupidity at its finest.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:37:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
After all, is the Ellis Island Foundation interested in helping people with their genealogy or just in making a profit by hoarding information?
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:38:36 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am trying to work on my Underberg book right now. there is a big reunion in Iowa this summer that I am going to and I would like to have it kinda put together by then. there are still lots of pictures I would like to collect for it.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:38:54 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I would assume that Ellis Island foundation is mostly interested in making money. I wonder if people are ordering much from them.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:40:47 (UTC)

Ridy:
Ah yes -- Ellis Island -- that was one of the places I wanted to finally visit when I went to New York. All the times I've been down there, I've never been there. I'm told it's worth a visit. Of course, I landed in Quebec City when we came to Canada, so Ellis Island doesn't hold quite the same fascination for me as it does for immigrants to America.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:41:49 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ellis Island was one of the places I wanted to visit also. We are still planning on going, only it will have to wait until next year. Rose Anne is busy with her daugher's wedding this fall.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:43:34 (UTC)

Ridy:
I am very happy with the present company -- but I do miss Holly and Franz and Jim Sigmund and Joe Hogler and John Herbst and Eddie Rabuse etc., etc., etc., etc. What's happened to all the old chatterers?
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:44:41 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Present company is excellent but keeping up a flow is difficult with only one or two other chatterers in the house.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:45:40 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I keep working on various aspects of genealogy and always enjoy "sleuthing" a connection between the current generations and the older records. The Ellis Island records often provide the link.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:47:46 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I agree, I miss some of those people also. Altho, some of them I think were absent when I started on the chat. I keep hoping Holly will join us soon. And whereever has Franz disappeared tooo??
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:48:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am still working on the Clinton Co Iowa Gottscheers when I get a chance. It is amazing where the clues keep poping up from. My Underbergs were also at Clinto Co so it has a double interest for me. One of the Underbergs even married a Gottscheer. The priest from Sugar Creek also turned up at Carroll County where my Underbergs moved to.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:50:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
I first got on the Plauderzimmer four years ago. In fact, that was when I bumped into Arnold! He's been missing in action on the Plauderzimmer as well. Just think of it, if I hadn't connected with Arnold right here on a Sunday evening, there would have been no book!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:53:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim: I think you raise an excellent question about the errors on the Ellis Island site. I wonder if we could not make a suggestion to them allowing us to correct all the Gottscheer names and villages in exchange for whatever. What you think?
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:56:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Yes, the old crowd has thinned. The Krockers and their daughter, Terri. Holly, Franz, John Sorli, John Herbst, and others. I still try to check in an every Sunday but it has been hard to keep the chatroom going.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:57:00 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I think the same thing has happened with the bulletin board. The number of postings has gone down dramatically.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:57:51 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, I suggested that to the GHGA officers when they decided to ask for permission. I don't know if that was part of the offer. Since the GHGA is a nonprofit organization, I thought it would benefit both.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:59:03 (UTC)

Trix:
I think we need something controversial or find something very interesting to debate. Question I was asked today for example: What did the Gottscheer children play with? Toys, very doubtful, few had them. So, how did they occupy their days. Probably working in the fields, right? But, there must be lots of memories out there from growing up that would be invaluable. I can't remember ever playing but I certainly must have. All kids play and if they don't toys they fabricate them. Well, this is not controversial but another good, unknown part of our growing up years.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 02:59:57 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am not sure how the GHGA would use the file even if they got permission. Even though it is better than the original Ellis Island information, it is not a perfect nor complete listing of all Gottscheers. However, there are quite a few cousins in there at last count.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:00:13 (UTC)

Trix:
I do not know what questions were asked of the Ellis Island people but perhaps a copy can be obtained.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:01:12 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I would expect that they made toys out of available materials --- cloth, wood, natural elements. I am sure some toys were made out of wood. On the other hand, you are probably correct --- the time between being an infant and working out in the fields or mills was probably a short one.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:01:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Well, let's pose this question to all who are here tonight or may be following this exchange in silence. How can we improve participation in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer? You don't have to sign your name if do not want to but your feedback and ideas would be greatly appreciated.

- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:03:12 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am not sure things would need to be controversial but I remain interested in how life was in Gottschee. Even that simple interest can be quite complicated. Gottschee was not a uniform society as each town was different and life was different in one area than another. That is very clear from Ridy's book.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:04:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
My cousins talk about playing games with stones and sticks and flowers. The boys did a lot of whittling.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:04:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim: I think you are right, even if the records on the Ellis Island site were much improved (meaning more accurate) what difference would it really make?
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:04:41 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
For instance, was electricity found in all, some, or few of the towns. I am sure that Gottschee City had electricity but have no clue how ubiquitous it was. (Thought I would use that work in a sentence --- it doesn't get out very often).
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:05:25 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, any idea where I could find a photo of a whistle? I have a great story and would like to have a photo with it.
Get your passport, put a rush on it and PLEASE GO TO NEW YORK - you deserve it.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:05:56 (UTC)

Ridy:
Umbrage is the one I've been trying to find some use for! As in I took umbrage at being classified an undesirable alien. Thought I'd get back to that somehow.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:06:50 (UTC)

Trix:
I am not going to the dictionary Dr. Jim so tell me what does that complicated, difficult and impressive word mean? I am not to proud to admit that I don't have a clue.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:06:56 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am always interested of stories of how things were in Gottschee. There was no information passed down in my family, we did not even know what county there came from. So I have really turned out to be a history buff with all this genenalogy work I have been doing.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:07:46 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I think improving the records would be very helpful to future researchers. You don't know how many errors I run across on the manifests. If the name isn't translated correctly, there is no way of finding it unless someone makes note of it when he or she is looking for someone else.
Joe Rom and Barry Deutschmann often came up with some very mangled spellings.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:08:07 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Guten Morgen Allen Anwesenden!
Hallo Jim, habe die E-Mail auch an Ridy zum �bersetzen gesandt.
Es freut mich dich "pers�nlich" im Plauderzimmer zu treffen.

- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:08:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Well, my dear Trix -- I have a whistle, hand-crafted in Gottschee, and probably as old as I am. It's in much better shape than I am, though. Maybe I can ask one of the kids to bring their newfangled camera the next time they come and take a photo of it, which I could send you. I got it from my cousins up in Minneapolis!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:08:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard! Gr�� Dich Gott! Du stehst aber fr�h auf!!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:10:00 (UTC)

Trix:
Agree Dr. Jim. I am with you. It is important to have it accurate. So, what can we do to approach Ellis Island. You know, they may be tickled pink to hear about our concerns.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:10:10 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
means widespread or pervasive; encountered with great frequency.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:10:24 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Guten Morgen Ridy!

- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:10:31 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Habe meinen Schlaf kurz unterbrochen damit ich Euch einmal direkt antreffe.
- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:12:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, Danke! I would appreciate that very, very much. By the way, do you know a Gottscheerin by the name of Ida Pausche Pejovich of Toronto? She is an author and an incredibly talented lady. I just connected with her recently. She war born in Wretzen in the Moschnitze.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:12:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard ~
Deine e-mail hat Jim selber �bersetzt, aber �ber sein Schreiben an Dich habe ich mich sehr lustig gemacht. Diese sogennanten �bersetzungsprogramme lassen wirklich viel zu w�nschen �brig!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:13:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix - never came across the lady, but that's not surprising because I don't have any contact with the Gottscheers in Toronto generally. It's a big City and hard for me to get around since I don't drive anymore. However, the streets are much safer now.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:15:07 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Ridy:
Es freut mich, dass Jim mein Schreiben selbst �bersetzen konnte. �ber die �bersetzungsprogramme habe ich mich ebenfalls schon des �fteren ge�gert und gewundert welcher Unsinn manchmal das Ergebnis ist.
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:16:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard - wir haben zuvor eben vom Wetter gesprochen. Friert ihr in �sterreich auch noch, oder genie�t ihr sch�nes Fr�hlingswetter?
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:17:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dear Ridy, you are being unkind to the poor programmers. If you do not cease your derision, you will never be allowed into this country of fine and refined individuals despite your literary triumph.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:18:33 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Hallo Jim!
Es freut mich, das Du mein E-Mail lesen konntest.
Danke nochmals f�r die Liste meiner Ahnen.
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:18:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hah! Gerhard agrees with me, Jim! So if you won't allow me into the good old U. S. of A., I'll just go to Austria instead.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:20:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Gerhard, von wo, in Gottschee, kommst Du?
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:20:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard - wie sp�t ist es bei dir?
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:22:13 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Ridy,
bei uns war bis Samstag herrliches Pfingstwetter mit Teperaturen bis �ber 30 �C. Gestern Sonntag hat es aber wieder abgek�hlt auf 17 �C.
Bei uns ist es heuer eher zu trocken, zuletzt hat es am vergangenen Wochenende geregnet.
- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:22:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Die Geburtstage von Josef und seinem Vater sind ein Problem.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:22:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ich mu� die S�tze einfach halten.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:23:48 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Bei mir ist es gerade 5:22 Uhr.
Eigentlich Zeit zum Schlafen. :-)

- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:23:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Gute Nach alle miteinander und schlaft gut. W�nsche allen eine gute Woche. You, too, Marilu - sleep well and have a good week. Servus.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:24:17 (UTC)

Ridy:
Applause for Jim, please!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:24:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Bravo Dr. Jim! Du machst es gut.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:25:18 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ich will nicht, da� Sie oder Gerhard zu sehr lachen.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:25:23 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night Trix..I have been trying to figure some of this out! lol Understood the temperature part!
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:25:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Warum nicht? Es ist doch gut ein bi�chen zu lachen.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:26:23 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sch�n das du vorbei gekommen bist, Gerhard! Schade das der Zeitunterschied so gro� ist, sonst k�nnten wir dich �fters begr��en!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:26:29 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Jim, will versuchen ebenfalls einfachere S�tze zu schreiben.

Ja, mein Urgro�vater Johann w�re bei der Geburt meines Gro�vaters Josef erst 10 Jahre Alt gewesen!
- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:26:34 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Jim, w�rde mich freuen Dir in Deiner Muttersprache schreiben zu k�nnen.

- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:28:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard - und einfachere Worte auch, bitte! Ich brauchte zwei W�rterb�cher um das Wort "eruieren" zu finden!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:29:20 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Gerhard, Ihre S�tze werden leicht verstanden.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:29:34 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Ridy, ich will es versuchen.
Jim, ich hoffe Ihr lacht nicht �ber mich.
- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:31:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Gerhard, der Muttersprache meinen Sie? Englisch oder Deutsch?
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:31:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
:-) real cute Jim. Speaking of yourself in the third person seems to come naturally to you!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:32:08 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Englisch
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:33:09 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Gerhard, ich w�rde �ber nichts lachen, was Sie schreiben w�rden. Ich sch�tze Ihre E-mails.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:33:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy, does that mean I could be a movie star or autocrat?
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:34:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nein, Gerhard. Wir lachen mit dir, aber nicht �ber dich! Ich lache �ber die �bersetzungsprogramme. . .
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:34:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
Oh, I don't know,Jim. There are enough bald movie stars already. I think an autocrat would be an easier goal to achieve.
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:35:43 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
HalloTrix,
mein Gro�vater ist in Schalkendorf #20 in der Gottschee geboren.
Ich bin 1947 in �sterreich geboren.
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:36:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
My wife happens to like Sean Connery. If an autocrat, what country? The kingdom of Komutzen, the Duchy of Oberdeutschau :) .
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:38:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard - habt ihr morgen einen Feiertag?
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:39:09 (UTC)

Trix:
Und Du wohnst jetzt wo in Austria? Ich bin K�rnten auf gewachsen.
- 209.240.245.165 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:39:12 (UTC)

Ridy:
Newsflash! Every woman likes Sean Connery. I even liked Kojak! Why not think big and let us declare you His Royal Highness, King James I of Gottschee
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:40:59 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Trix:
mein Gro�vater ist 1864 in Schalkendorf geboren, mein Vater 1904 in Amstetten �sterreich.
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:41:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Gerhard, dankt Ihnen wieder daf�r, uns im Plauderzimmer zu besuchen. (I realize this sentence may be a stretch for the Ubersetzungprogamme but I thought I would give it a try) Ridy, ---- be kind and gentle.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:41:37 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Ridy ja, bei uns ist heute Feiertag mu� aber bei meinem Haus arbeiten.
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:42:34 (UTC)

Ridy:
I'll pass that one, Jim. C-
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:42:44 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Oh no --- Ridy, would not go near that one with a ten foot sceptre. I have enough trouble being King of 21 Pine Road. Someone is always trying to topple the throne or, at least, rush me off of it.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:43:06 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Thank you for being so lenient with the grading scale.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:43:43 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Trix,
ich wohne in Amstetten, das ist zwischen Linz und St. P�lten.
Im Mostviertel!
- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:43:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gerhard - wenn Du beim Haus arbeiten musst, leiden wenigstens die Patienten nicht durch deinen Schlafmangel!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:43:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Es ist Zeit f�r mich, zu gehen, zu schlafen. Gute Nacht zu einem und allem. Gerhard, es war sch�n, Sie zu treffen.
- 205.188.197.158 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:44:36 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, I have my 5 year old granddaughter calling me the Queen Grandmother! lolol
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:44:39 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Jim,
es war auch f�r mich eine Freude, Gute Nacht auch!

- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:46:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
Just noticed the time also, and I haven't had my Betthupferl yet! Must have my hot chocolate, sans that lovely drink which adds a kick to it.
Gerhard, es war wirklich nett das du uns im Plauderzimmer besucht hast! F�r dich geht die Sonne bestimmt schon auf, aber ich mu� mich nun bald schlafen legen. Gute Nacht und komm' bald wieder!
- 64.229.238.131 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:47:57 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Ridy,
bi um ausgesgeschlafen zu sein ja auch nie um diese Zeit im Plauderzimmer.
Aber heute mu�te ich diese Gelegenheit n�tzen.
Muss aber jetz ebenfalls wieder schlafen gehen, am Morgen wartet eine Menge Arbeit auf mich.
Freue mich auf ein n�chstes treffen im Plauderzimmer.
Gute Nacht Ridy, Gute Nacht Allen!
- 212.152.150.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:51:08 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sounds like everyone is saying goodnight. I even joyed trying to follow the German-Gottscheer. Good night everyone. see you next week.
- 205.188.201.203 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 03:51:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wish you all a good nite and a pleasant upcoming week..I see my mesages are not coming up in the Plauderzimmer even tho it shows up after I send and check. Have I been thrown out of the club
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 04:22:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
?????????????
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 04:22:58 (UTC)

Frank:
HI sophia Did you get reply from graz ?
- 66.119.174.54 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 04:43:48 (UTC)

frank:
gerhard ist dein name Samida oder Samide? Und von wo kommen deine Eltern aus dem heimatland.
- 66.119.174.54 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 05:02:13 (UTC)

Sophia:
Frank: Sorry to say but there has been no reply from Graz. how are you?
- 216.251.178.16 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 10:42:36 (UTC)

Sophia:
OK Mr. Paul B. What happened to you last night? You were missed. May you, too, have a good week.
- 216.251.178.16 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 10:43:36 (UTC)

Trix:
For your information:

Hi Sophia,My cousin Josef Gladitsch who lives in Munich has made a Gottscheer Web-site in German.The address is www.Gottschee.de
Check it out when you have time.Bye John

Enjoy!

- 216.251.178.16 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 11:06:36 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Paul!
So sorry that your messages did not appear in the Plauderzimmer last evening. We had a fun time and even had a visitor from Austria, which doesn't happen very often because of the time difference. Hope you'll be able to join us next Sunday. In the meantime, keep warm and dry. (Hard to do up here this spring!)
- 64.229.235.66 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 13:47:01 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, for some reason your pages are coming from cache instead of the server. Hit reload or refresh after you post, and you should see your messages. I hope you see this one, actually.
- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 15:23:43 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Hi Frank, mein Name ist Samide.
Meine Eltern sind aus �stereich, aber mein Gro�vater war aus Schalkendorf #20 Gottschee. Meine Urgro�eltern waren Johann Samide und Maria geborene Hutter.

- 212.152.151.144 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 18:06:51 (UTC)

peter:
kennt zuf�llig jemand berhard gladitsch
- 217.80.242.8 - Monday, May 20, 2002 at 20:30:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Peter: Ist er ein Gottscheer und wohnt er vielleicht in New York?
- 216.251.178.43 - Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 00:54:34 (UTC)

frank:
Hi Gerhart danke f�r deine antwort es tut mir leid deinen gro�vater habe Ich nicht gekannt. Wo in �sterich whonst du ? Ich lebte etliche jare in Thondorf/ Hausmanstetten.
- 66.119.174.200 - Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 01:32:20 (UTC)

Sophia:
Congratulations Frank. See, no problem at all. Good job.
- 216.251.178.43 - Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 03:16:29 (UTC)

PAUL B:
HELMUTH----THANK YOU-IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING OK NOW..BEST REGARDS, PAUL
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 03:20:32 (UTC)

Irene:
You all have had such interesting conversations in the last few days. It was a pleasure reading the log. When I left Friday it was snowing, big heavy flakes!

Sharon, through her research has found that several different Eisenzopf families lived at serveral different house numbers in Hohenegg. I wonder if both of us could short cut the research process by looking at census records for the village of Hohenegg over the decades. Does anything like that exist? If so where would they be available? I also wonder if an Eisenzopf wasn't one of the original settlers of Hohenegg. How would I be able to find that out? Also is there any information when villages such as Hohenegg were first incorporated or whatever the equivalent was?
- 66.66.192.161 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 15:00:44 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Hello everyone, there is an enhancement to the Gottschee Bulletin Board. You now have the capability of viewing the 20 most recent postings, regardless of their position in the board. This was originally requested by someone way-back-when (Dr. Jim?). See I get to everything eventually. The link is here, or just go to the bulletin board index.
- 204.180.133.234 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 15:50:11 (UTC)

sherry anne dessify:
I am a Hungarian descendant...when my G-grandfather moved too american ....I would like to fine family. dessify is spelled diferent if anyone knows the way it is spelled in hungarian ....so I can trace my family tree and more....Thank you Sherry ...G-Grandfather name is William Dessify..and G-Grandmother name is Sophia "kovach" Dessify .....E-mail cherryann2@webtv.net
- 209.240.222.132 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 16:20:27 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Hi Frank,
bin in Amstetten, Nieder�sterreich daheim.
Frank wo bist du jetzt daheim?
Wenn ich Euch Alle auch nicht kenne so ist es doch als w�ret Ihr meine Nachbarn.
Liebe gr��e aus �sterreich.
Gerhard
- 212.152.151.144 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 18:55:08 (UTC)

Gerhard Samide:
Hi Ridy,
Du hattest recht als ich mich Montag Morgen nochmals schlafen legte war es bereits taghell.
Ich m�chte aber die Zeit mit Euch im Plauderzinmer nicht missen.
Liebe Gr��e Gerhard.

- 212.152.150.144 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 19:03:34 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Irene you have a great idea. But I say this is a question more for Dr. Jim or Trix. Lets see what the experts have to say, keeping my fingers crossed.
- 206.172.22.209 - Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 21:29:00 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene and Sharon: there are films of what are called Family books of some parishes. I don't know if they exist for your parish or not. They do for my parish and the title is DRU, whatever that means. Each house in each town in the parish has a page. They cover different years. Some of them have good information, some of them not so good.
- 64.12.107.32 - Thursday, May 23, 2002 at 14:09:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HELLO EVERYONE: ANOTHER BUSY WEEKEND FOR EVERYONE, I AM SURE. SO happy holiday weekend to all , and I do mean ALL!Sunday nite looks like a bust for me just now-so enjoy- the introduction to summer is upon us-Whew!
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, May 24, 2002 at 19:21:41 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I hope to make it out this Sunday evening, we'll have to see what me work week is like. Happy Holiday this weekend
- 206.172.22.207 - Friday, May 24, 2002 at 19:51:08 (UTC)

frank:
HI gerhart Ja es ist sch�n das man miteinander sprechen/lesen kan es kommt mir so for das Ich dich schon lange kenne.Ich lebe in Canada in der schtadt Vancouver schon seit 1948. ich komme von der Grazer umgebung , vorher waren wir in der untersteiermark /Ran /globoko,and before thatin Tschemoschnitz Gottschee.Email agness@zoolink.com
- 66.119.174.28 - Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 05:15:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Chicago Franz. Just want you to know that I was cruisin' through some old issues of the Gottscheer Zeitung today and found a beautiful school children photo taken during the period of March 1946 to September 1947 in Lager Wagne in Steiermark. Among the good looking Gottscheers is a Franz Mausser from Komutzen born in July 1936. Even though I cannot recognize him on the photo I am pretty sure that I know that Franz Mausser. If you do not have a copy of the photo let me know and I shall gladly send it to you.

Sharon and Irene: I also found some very interesting statistics on the deaths in the village of Katzendorf and Hohenegg during the cholera outbreak in the year 1855. Among those who died were several Eisenzopfs from Hohenegg, house numbers 6, 12, 20 and 9. If you would like a copy of the entire article, please let me know. To save time please send me your mailing addresses. Danke.

Best wishes to you all for a marvelous Memorial Day weekend. Very chilly here.
- 209.240.245.111 - Sunday, May 26, 2002 at 01:57:44 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings Vancouver Frank. Hope the rain has quit and that you are enjoying some wonderful sunshine. My best to all.
- 209.240.245.111 - Sunday, May 26, 2002 at 01:58:32 (UTC)

Frank:
Frank Vancouver what do you mean about the rain ?never in Vancouver that is a mith .All is well here exept the doctorsgood wee refuse to work 5 to $ 10000 a year is not enough anymore. good week end to you all from vanc.
- 66.119.174.170 - Sunday, May 26, 2002 at 15:49:43 (UTC)

Frank:
that should read from Frank to Sophia Trix sorry.
- 66.119.174.170 - Sunday, May 26, 2002 at 15:53:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I don't know how this is going to sound, but it is always nice to see your names Trix and Ridy whenever I check in before going to my desk to work--it's like seeing family. Not to slight anyone,it is nice to see others too-new and old!
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, May 26, 2002 at 17:40:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. We all know what you mean. You just like all of us in the Plauderzimmer and you know what? We do too. So have a good Sunday and hope to chat later on.
- 216.251.169.47 - Sunday, May 26, 2002 at 23:05:49 (UTC)

fred:
hy trix i made it and no wise cracks about my spelling
- 64.208.176.166 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 00:38:06 (UTC)

fred:
gute nacht you all
- 64.208.176.166 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 00:54:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred, honest, no one gets judged on spelling in the Plauderzimmer. Some of us even write part German, part English and part Gottschearisch at times. What counts is the message. So, enjoy and don't give it another thought. Hope you are doing well and anticipating your trip to Gottschee. It will be GREAT. Don't forget the camera.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:14:56 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello and good evening to everyone.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:15:46 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
You guys just wait until I start using Brooklynese!!!
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:17:03 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Fred. Good to meet you. What part of Gottschee are your ancestors from?
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:17:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Trix and Jim: you still here?
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:20:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening Marilu and Dr. Jim. Yes, still here. We have had a beautiful weekend so far. The lake is full of people enjoying the nice weather. Bad storms in the southern part of the state but nice in God's country. How are you two doing?
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:22:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Missed last Sunday. Sorry. Anything new happen? Any new people log on? Any new Jonkes turn up?
Glad to be back.
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:23:14 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
It was nice here today also. We finally had some rain on Friday, but we need lots more. The snow in the high county helped put out the big forest fire.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:24:14 (UTC)

Trix:
OK Margaret. Guten Abend to you too. How was your trip and how was your visit with Stalzer. With a name like that it has got to be good. We are listening, Margaret.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:24:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix:
Had super visit with my Stalzer cousin, Ilse and her husband, Helmut, from Fort Lauderdale. They both were in the Umseidlung and spent the war years, up to 1950, in Austria. Such memories she has!
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:24:38 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I have found some info for the gal you had email me, and am looking again this week for some more. She was thrilled with what I found.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:25:27 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: You know how those war years were and the re-settlement. Cousins Ilse and Helmut say there are lots of sad things that they don't really like to talk about. They did have super memories of my (and their) oma.
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:26:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Margaret, any idea where, in Austria, they lived? Also any idea where in Untersteiermark they settled? I am always interested in that. So glad you had the chance to connect after so many years. We should all do that.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:26:14 (UTC)

Ridy:
Guten Abend, and hope all you Americans are having a good Memorial Day weekend!
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:27:37 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Fred: I'm the one supposed to say Y'all. Being from Missouri, which is very south of all of you. Don't rush off.
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:27:56 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi there Ridy!
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:28:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: I think Graz. My cousin, Werner Lachner, Ilse's older brother has an email address that starts Graz50. I think that has special meaning for him, don't you??
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:29:21 (UTC)

fred:
the city of gottschee, my dad worked for fuerst auersperg
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:32:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Fred!
Long time no hear! Have you done any more of your beautiful paintings lately?
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:33:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Marilu - am so glad you helped the lady. I found some pretty interesting informaton too. It's wonderful we can do that for others isn't it? Isn't it, Dr. JIM????

Made a brand new connection yesterday with the wife of a Gottscheer. He is ailing and getting forgetful. The family is trying to learn more about their Gottscheer heritage. He has 2 older sisters who know and remember much about life in Gottschee but don't want to talk about it. Now, how do we convince people to quit thinking that way. I can't tell you how much I regret not having taken the time to talk to my parents about everything that they experienced. I hope that everyone reading this message, who has experienced the matter of people not wanting to share that they will encourage and convince them to do it. It is part of our history and it is extremely important.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:34:09 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: When memories are painful, it's hard to talk about those experiences. I sent Werner a German poem (maybe you sent it to me). He emailed me that some of the poem made him very sad. It was something about a hungry little boy. Do you remember the poem?
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:36:09 (UTC)

fred:
hi ridy we are up by mary, lots of dr. appoitmts. have to get ready for the jurney back home.
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:38:12 (UTC)

Ridy:
Glad you made it to the Plauderzimmer this evening, Fred, and good to know you're keeping well.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:39:32 (UTC)

fred:
i am glad i could make it.
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:47:52 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must go. Work to do. Auf Wiedersehen. Alles gut. Bleib gesund.
- 65.57.31.233 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:48:21 (UTC)

fred:
i'am lost without the spell check. i am looking forward to going home for my 70 birthsday.
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:50:11 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sorry, stepped out. Margaret, I am Helmut's 1st cousin once removed. Helmut is Viktor Stalzer's brother from Klagenfurt. I have spoken with Helmut by phone in the past.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:51:17 (UTC)

Trix:
No, no, no Margaret. Not time to go. Work can wait. At least at our house it will be there in the morning. But, if go you must, have a good, good week. Do not remember the poem but would love a copy Margaret.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:51:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ridy. How are YOU? Long time no hear.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:51:41 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good night, Fred and Margaret. Margaretha, it is too late to do work. Besides Sunday is a day of rest.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:52:09 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred, when is your birthday? What day?
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:52:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix -- you haven't been responding to my e-mails. Have you not received them?
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:53:25 (UTC)

fred:
so is monday and the rest of te week
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:53:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Fred, I am sorry but I can't remember. Is this your fist visit to the homeland?
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:53:31 (UTC)

fred:
JUNE 16 1932
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:54:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, I can't remember the last time I had an e-mail from you. Is it recently that you sent them? If it is they did not make it to Waukenabo. Sorry. Have missed your mail but the days have been hectic. Slowing down now but going into gardening. Like I said, work is never done, is it?
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:55:07 (UTC)

fred:
no the second first in 1989
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:56:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
I'll send you copies from this past week - wonder how they've gone astray.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:56:36 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, Fred, that will be such a special day. Not only will it be your birthday but you will be attending mass in the City of Gottschee, followed by the cultural program and picnic in Grafenfeld. A perfect way to celebrate your 70th. Wish I would be there with you but you will be in my thoughts. HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:57:17 (UTC)

fred:
thank you trix
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 01:58:50 (UTC)

fred:
good night all gute nacht lahko noch
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:00:17 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Fred, Happy Birthday and a safe trip!!! It will be great. Remember to pack a camera or two or three as Trix suggests. I would probably bring more film than clothes.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:01:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
One of my friends from Graz, who is not from Gottschee, will be making the visit to Gottschee with the group from the Gedenkst�tte. It's not her first visit, but she is looking forward to it because she likes to visit down there.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:01:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
G�tei Nocht, Fred! I'm trying to remember the Slovenian response and the brain cells seem to be asleep.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:02:47 (UTC)

fred:
thank you jim
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:03:19 (UTC)

fred:
Lachko noch Ridy
- 209.130.200.9 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:05:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred, my Slovenian has become very rusty. Are you still fluent?
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:07:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Marilu. Are you still in the house? My German is weak enough but I can't understand the Gottscheer dialect at all. Since Slovenian is neither Germanic or a Latin based language, I am completely lost.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:11:54 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim..I am still here. Have been balancing the checkbook in between checking what is going on.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:13:37 (UTC)

Trix:
OK, who are the silent ones tonight? Maybe Vancouver? Or?
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:20:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
I was in Kitchener these past 3 days, and my cousin, Hugo Eppich and his wife, Brigitte, were visiting us from Vancouver. I wonder if Frank knows Hugo, and his twin brother Helmut?
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:27:49 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am flipping back and forth. I am surprised at the number of people who visit in the background.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:29:53 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
How was Kitchener? What type of town is it?
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:30:37 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Everyone,
How is everyone? We are good here in Utah! Then weather was beautiful today. Around 85 for a high.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:32:45 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy, how is Toronto doing in the playoffs? I am rooting for them. The New York area teams are long gone. I am still rooting for two teams in the NBA --- the surprising Nets and the ever present Lakers.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:33:36 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, do you know if Norbert L has decided to go to Gottschee in June? Just think a month from now they will be back home.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:33:38 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, John. It was nice yesterday but overcast today. Tomorrow does not look much better. Perhaps worse. Supposed to have a block party with cookout. I hope they have a back up plan.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:34:40 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Is Memorial Day a holiday in Canada, Ridy? Is it this weekend or some other day?
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:34:49 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi John. Glad to hear from the man who has had some very neat "blonde" jokes. Glad you are doing well.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:34:51 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
How's it going on your histories?
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:36:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Anybody have any idea who might have either photos or originals of Gottscheer Samplers? We know of 4 so far. Would be wonderful to get a huge collection not only of the stitched samplers but also other items that were crafted by the Gottscheer women through the years. I have a new friend who plans to add a Gottscheer Sampler.com to the Internet.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:37:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
Kitchener is a smallish city of about 150,000 population and it used to be called Berlin, once upon a time. Even today it still has a large German population, and a good number of them are Gottscheers. It has a variety of industries, 3 hospitals, and 2 Universities. Great farmland outside the city and a large number of Mennonites and Amish as well. Just a good place to live. This time we had a family funeral -- the husband of one of my cousins died of cancer -- and it was a great chance to meet most of the relatives. Two of my old aunts, who are over 90, did not attend this time, which tells me that the sands in the hourglass keep running to the bottom. But in spite of the sad occasion, it was a good visit and we also celebrated my sister's birthday yesterday.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:38:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Plugging away John and putting them in the box as they come in. As you know it takes a lot of time and energy to motivate people to write and share but when they do it is such a natural high. I just love to read the various stories that they share.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:39:13 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy I love your smallish city, Canon City is about 25,000. Now that is what I would call smallish! lol
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:40:34 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Interesting that you mention Amish. I just met an Amish Gottscheer through a Trix contact. He was wondering if there were others. I told him that I doubted it but anything is possible. I think he lives in Ohio.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:41:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, you have one you should share!
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:41:10 (UTC)

Ridy:
Oh my! I'm slow tonight!
Hello, John! We don't celebrate Memorial Day in Canada. We celebrated Queen Victoria's Birthday last weekend! Anything for an excuse to have a holiday is good enough for me.
Jim - believe it or not, the Maple Leafs are still alive! The next game will be back here in Toronto. In fact, the city is awash in blue and white, the team colours.
Trix - have not talked to Norbert Lackner in a while. I'll try to remember to call him soon and ask if he's going to Gottschee.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:42:06 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
My Aunt Joan Konig-Herbst might know of some of these samplers. She was born in Hohenburg. You might write her and see if she knows of any in her family. Her mother died several years ago and she still has an Aunt that is still living in Lander, Wyoming.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:42:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
Marilu -
When we came to Kitchener in 1948 the population was 42,000 and I almost cried because I thought it was such a hicktown. Coming from Graz, with a population of a quarter million or thereabouts, with beautiful old buildings, many theatres and an opera house, Kitchener seemed like the last outpost on the continent! Now I have a better appreciation of what it has to offer.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:45:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim -
That is very intereting - an Amish who is a Gottscheer! Wonder how that came to be?
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:46:31 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, I am just a small town girl. I lived in Denver 35 years ago, and was glad to leave it. My son lives there now, and when we go visit him, I let them drive if at all possible. Colorado Springs does not bother me.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:47:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
Marilu -
I'm afraid I'm very much a big city soul. Toronto, with it's several million souls, suits me just fine. Didn't even mind the driving, but I'm told the streets are much safer since I was grounded. Thank goodness we have a good public transit system.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:52:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix - I had a chance to ask one of my aunts about samplers. She didn't seem to know what I was talking about, but said that they went straight to embroidering wall hangings, tablecloths, and their own clothes.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:55:50 (UTC)

Trix:
John, would appreciate the address for Joan Herbst koenig.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:56:40 (UTC)

Trix:
I think that wall hangings might be Samplers. Frankly, I never heard the word until a month ago. I know it now and it has been so much fun learning about it.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:58:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Grew up in Brooklyn and glad to be out of the city. I prefer the suburbs and a little grass. However, there are some cities I don't think I would mind trying like Chicago. Hello, Franz!!!!!!
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 02:59:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, I agree. I think samplers were used for wall hangings. I am not an expert but that would seem to be correct.

- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:00:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
I recall one of the wall hangings my mother had made. It had a saying on it: Wo Schwalben Nester bau'n, dort ist das Gl�ck im Haus. Wo Lieb wohnt und Vertraun, geht nie der Segen aus. Or something very close to that.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:00:29 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
hello everyone tonight. how is everyone doing?
- 206.172.22.16 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:00:56 (UTC)

Ridy:
I agree with you Jim. I love Chicago!
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:01:10 (UTC)

Ridy:
A lot of the wall hangings with which I am familiar had a religious motif.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:02:18 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ok Ridy..translate the wall hanging for us dummies!
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:04:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix - have you received the e-mail I sent you since we got on the Plauderzimmer tonight?
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:04:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
My pleasure, Marilu -
Where swallows build their nests, the house will be blessed with good fortune. Where love and trust lives, the blessings will be abundant.
Loosely translated. . . . .
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:06:40 (UTC)

Ridy:
There is actually a song with that verse in it
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:07:47 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
I have heard of that saying.
- 206.172.22.16 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:08:46 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
I think it was in the magazine Birds and Blooms.
- 206.172.22.16 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:09:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy - nicely translated indeed.
Ridy - no e-mails from you tonight at all.
All - I am wondering if all Samplers usually had the alphabet, the numbers and the artists name and even date?
Hi Sharon.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:09:36 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
I got your emails Trix, thanks
- 206.172.22.16 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:10:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, Sharon, I would like Wanton Soup with no onions and some fried wontons, please! Could not resist. Sorry!
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:11:12 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
have you tried deep fried wontons? You take just the wrap and deep fry it then dip them in sweet and sour sauce
- 206.172.22.16 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:12:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Time to call it a night. Wish you all a wonderful week. Think happy thoughts.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:12:30 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
Goodnight Trix
- 206.172.22.16 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:13:02 (UTC)

Trix:
No Sharon, have not tried them but will remember them.
- 216.251.169.47 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:13:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
That is strange Trix - I sent one off more than an hour ago, I think. Haven't had any mail from you in a long time either. I sent you a photo of Louise this evening -- it was taken in Kukendorf in 1918. Absolutely adorable.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:13:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, thanks for translationg. That is a pretty saying.
Trix, it is usual for stitchers to sign their work. I usually inital all the cross stitch I do, as does everyone I know.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:13:58 (UTC)

Ridy:
I've never come across any ambroidery done by any of my aunts or cousins which was signed! Not even one piece that I could remember.
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:15:23 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I think it may be something stitchers do now, that they do not used to do years ago.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:17:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
Time to say Gute Nacht to you all. My eyes are falling shut. Have a good week everyone. I think spring has finally come to stay in our area.
Go Leafs, Go!
- 64.229.238.63 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:23:30 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good Night everyone...See you all next week.
- 205.188.199.157 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:25:30 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Time for me to call it quits as well. Have a good holiday tomorrow. It is a good day to be thankful to those who have given their all.
- 205.188.195.29 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:25:52 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Ridy:
I have seen your messages on Paluderzimmer and mentions of Kitchner. How small is Kitchner? It is a small world....Perhaps you know of Roman Samide, my 1st cousin once removed, whom I have never met, but I think lives in Kitchner, and may have a family there. He is the son of Josef Samide, who was the son of Andreas Samide, Drandul 2.
- 12.83.105.14 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 03:58:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry to have missed you all tonite-had to make up tons of office work to make up for the Holiday tomorrow-and then helped Adie with the preparations for tomorrows party-double celebration Adies Birthday and Memorial Day! Have a nice day everyone......
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 04:22:31 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Good Morning, Mary Jo ~
Kitchener is a mid-sized city in south-western Ontario, just 100 Km from Toronto -(I still think of it as small, but it's been growing since I left there back in the early 1960s!) and it's the twin city of Waterloo.
I don't personally know Roman Samide, but I found him in the phone book when I checked just now, and I do know his neighbourhood. With your permission, I'm going to pass along your question to some of my cousins and also my sister, who are all members of the Alpine Club, which is the name of the Gottscheer Club in Kitchener. My father, who founded the Club, didn't want to limit membership to only Gottscheers. Quite possibly one of my relatives will know your cousin. Please send me a message at my e-mail address, ridy@sympatico.ca
and as soon as I get a response, I'll pass it along to you.
Tell me a bit about yourself - what is your Gottscheer connection? Where do you live? I'm delighted to see you are monitoring our conversations in the Plauderzimmer and we'd love to have you join us on our usual Sunday evening chats.
- 64.229.234.142 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 12:36:33 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mary Jo ~
I just had a response from my sister, who says as follows:
Roman Samide died years ago. Was a very nice man about Alfons's age.
Alfons was our brother, who also died much too early. He would have been 70 years old in November.
Would the Roman Samide you are looking for have been about that age? Since there is still a phone listing in his name, it would probably be his widow or his son, I would think.
- 64.229.234.142 - Monday, May 27, 2002 at 14:04:32 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi everyone, I've been away from my computer for a while and just caught up on all the news. I just read the message to me and Trix I will email you with my address.
- 24.58.144.65 - Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 01:16:42 (UTC)

frank schmuck:
Hallo out there are there any gottscheer in this here zimmer from British Columbia? would like to hear from them.
- 66.119.174.173 - Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 04:42:44 (UTC)

Frank:
Sophia My mother said she knew your grama and that she was a lady good caracter hard woking could do anything and was willing to help anyone we lived just down the hill from her by the creek my father had a small water powerd sawmill and flouermill whitch my grandmoter operated.that is if your grandma was gaglsch mari.
- 66.119.174.173 - Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 04:52:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Frank!
It is possible that you, Sharon Eisenzopf, and I are the only Canadians in this Plauderzimmer, at least on a regular basis. I have cousins out in Vancouver, the Eppich twins, Helmut and Hugo. Hugo and his wife were just here and I spent the past weekend with them in Kitchener. We have some more distant Hoegler relatives out there, including Elfie Maichin. Ann Androsoff's mother was also a Hoegler from Kukendorf, which is where I was born. We still laugh about the fact that Helmut and Hugo went to Vancouver on a vacation in 1955, and then they forgot to come back! They fell in love with the beautiful place. One of these years, before it's too late, I keep promising them and myself that I'll come out and see what's so special about it.
- 64.229.236.120 - Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 12:33:44 (UTC)

Gerhard:
Hi Ridy!
Habe gelesen, dass Mary Jo Elmer und du von einem Roman Samide geschrieben habt.
Woher ist er? Wer waren seine Eltern?
Ridy, Time to say Gute Nacht to you and all.
Liebe Gr��e Gerhard

- 212.152.151.144 - Tuesday, May 28, 2002 at 20:12:20 (UTC)

Ginny:
Hi,samplers are just as the name implies.Traditionally young girls learned their embroidery skills by stitching verses, numbers etc. It was a sample of all the stitches they had learned. It was educational as well as decorative. Hope this helps.
- 12.78.24.90 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 02:33:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Ginny, Thanks so much for your message. I appreciate it. Up until about May 1 I never even heard the word Sampler. But now I can honestly say that I have learned a great deal including your wonderful analysis of what a Sampler is. Now tell me, might you know of any Samplers that still exist, or at the very least photos of them? I am assuming that you being in the Gottscheer Plauderzimmer might have a connection with Gottschee. Correct? If you do, I am very, very interested in locating other Samplers for my new friend in England, who not only own 2 Gottscheer Samplers from around 1910 put plans to set up a web site dealing with this topic. I would appreciate hearing from you. My e-mail address is: wyants@mlecmn.net.
I was born in the Moschnitze area of Gottschee and emigrated to Minnesota in 1952. DANKE.
- 209.240.245.171 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 03:26:35 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix ~
Curiosity got the better of me, and I looked up the German for Sampler. . . it gives Probe Muster; Exemplar; Sticktuch; etc. Funny -- I never knew that what I worked on 50+ years ago actually had a name! We live and learn.
Still have not had a response from you to any of my e-mails. Can't figure out where the problem lies.
- 64.229.235.90 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 03:47:02 (UTC)

frank schmuck:
Hi Ridy yes it appears that the gottscheer in Canada are a bit slow in getting up to speed re: iternet .What school did you attend in Gottsche in welcher geminde? RE: your relatives I am familiar with the names but I am sorry to say I do not know them personally. Yes Vancouver is a nice and good place to live temperatures are mild the mountains are green and we have the best water in the world and plenty of it ,yes trix we too hope it stops comming down soon. Bye for now Frank S.
- 66.119.174.34 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 03:49:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Frank ~
I'm from Kukendorf, in der Gemeinde Ebental. However, I was only 5 years old when we left Gottschee in 1941, and didn't get a chance to attend school there. As you know, schools in Untersteiermark were a hit and miss affair, and I lost count of how many I actually attended in Lotsch, Br�ckl, Puschendorf, Zirkle, Rann, and who knows where else. . . . It wasn't until we got to Graz in 1945 that I attended a proper school - the Ursulinenkloster.
- 64.229.235.90 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 03:59:41 (UTC)

frank:
HI RIdy I got a few years on you 5 to be exact i was 10 in 41 lived in globoko and konigsberg than in graz till 48 but never attendet school in austria at all . just finished e mail to trix getting sleepy will say good night.EMAIL agness@zoolink.com
- 66.119.174.90 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 04:57:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Taking a break and checking this great communication medium and sure enough the Gottscheer born Canadians are busy. Good for you both.

Ridy, I have NOT received an e-mail from you for weeks. What do you suppose is happened to all of them. What a shame and what a loss.

Enjoy the day. The rain missed us once again. Garden is in FINALLY but so very dry.
- 216.251.169.44 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 09:06:04 (UTC)

Irene:
My grandmother from Hohenegg called the samplers I worked on as a child "Muster."
- 24.58.144.65 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 12:42:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Irene - Sounds like your Oma from Hohenegg knew her stuff much better than Trix or I do, since 'Muster' is a direct translation of 'sample'. We have a German saying for our condition -- it's "Lange Leitung, kurzer Verstand" -- at least it applies to me all too often!

Hi Trix!
I've just been on the phone to my Internet Provider, which is Sympatico.ca. They checked through my system, and all my messages to you have been going through to your provider. They suggest you get in touch with your provider, and have them check where the problem might be. Keep in mind that I have not been receiving messages from you either. The chap suggested that your provider may have identified me as a spreader of a virus or spamming, which, I am happy to assure you, is not the case. Sympatico gave me a clean bill of health. He even suggested that the problem may be my four-letter address: ridy -- first time I've had somebody tell me that 'ridy' may be a 'four-letter word'!!!!hrumph!
- 64.229.239.234 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 13:31:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy-Don't feel bad-the four letter word that they were trying to convey was LOVE.......Always think positive...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 13:56:15 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks, Paul! I'll remember that!
It's a lovely spring day in Toronto and I am determined to get out and do some gardening before the end of May. Not much time left!
- 64.229.233.57 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 14:14:23 (UTC)

frank schmuck:
JA SOPHIA I too sent you e mail did you get it?
- 66.119.174.104 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 22:22:25 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz, I received an e-mail from you yesterday, I think, talking about where your lived (next to Kakl Mari). Is that the only one you sent?
- 209.240.237.144 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 23:33:25 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, I shall follow through on your suggestion tomorrow. Hope you are enjoying the day. Very hot here but now thunderstorms are approaching. We need the rain badly. Besides, I won't have to water my many plants.
- 209.240.237.144 - Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 23:34:40 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix -
I sent you two e-mails, after I received yours this afternoon. Did you get my response? There is no problem sending them out from here. . . .
- 64.229.233.57 - Thursday, May 30, 2002 at 22:49:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, did NOT receive anything from you. Did not have time to follow through on it either but will try to get to it in the morning. Thanks. Hope you are ok.
- 216.251.169.22 - Friday, May 31, 2002 at 00:09:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy: Checked with my technical support today and he tells me my computer is working fine. Have no clue what our problem is.
- 216.251.169.25 - Friday, May 31, 2002 at 21:55:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
I received two e-mails from you today Trix and responded, but I guess you are not getting mine. Did you check with your Internet Provider? It was Sympatico who told me that yours appears to be blocking e-mails from me. We'll have to figure something out.
One of the e-mail I sent you some time ago, was to ask if you would be willing to let me have the information you sent to people going on the trip to Gottschee shortly. When my cousins are going in August, they may be able to stay at the same places, and possibly follow a similar itinerary. None of them have been to Gottschee before and now that they've all booked their flights they're trying to figure out what to do and where to go once they get there. Their first stop will be Graz and they've rented cars to drive down from there. I did make them aware of the fact that they have to make prior arrangements to be allowed to take rental cars into Slovenia, and they've paid the extra $$$s to do that. Their first stop will be Marburg, where a friend of Ray's, who teaches at the University there, will give them some suggestions, but for the most part they'll be on their own and need help. Since they are all members of our Mausser family, their main interest will be Ebental/Polom, but they also want to tour around down there for a couple of days. I told them I would ask you if you would be willing to send some of the information you sent to the Gottscheers going over to the celebrations. Please and thank you. I have not been to Gottschee since 1963, and things have changed a lot since then, so I can't help them. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

- 64.229.238.128 - Friday, May 31, 2002 at 22:23:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Will do Ridy, gladly. I also suggest that they obtain the services of Emil Krese who is an outstanding guide and knows the area completely. Will send you what I have.
- 216.251.169.25 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 00:16:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks, Trix. Could you please tell me how they get in touch with Emil Krese. . .
- 64.229.238.128 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 01:07:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
My apologies to everyone for taking up so much space on personal messaging betweeen Trix and myself while we are experiencing 'technical difficulties'!

Trix - thanks for the information. I've passed it along to all the cousins who will be making the trip and I'm sure they'll find it most helpful. Your suggestion that they hire Emil Krese to act as their guide is excellent. Does he speak English or German?
- 64.229.238.128 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 04:39:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning Ridy. Emil speaks both and pretty darn fluent in Gottscheearisch too. That info coming like now. Have a good day.
- 209.240.237.164 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 13:15:23 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Trix and Ridy. If Trix's server is blocking your emails and you think its that, try putting Ridy's email address on your "safe list" in your address book. I know with my email address I can block anyones email if I put a block on it, or addresses with .com something at the end so I don't have to receive any from that server. Give that a try and see if it works
- 206.172.22.203 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 15:21:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Sharon and Trix ~
Just came in from doing some gardening. Too hot and humid out there - but so nice to be in the fresh air.
I got your e-mail Trix, and clicked on return to see if that helps. What I can't figure out is why my e-mails don't bounce back if your server isn't letting them through.
- 64.229.234.197 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 16:59:11 (UTC)

Tawan:
I am looking for an article from Living Today. The name of the article is Making the most of another chance. It was written by Marion Valentino. May31,1990. If you find the info that I need to get to the article are how I can find it online at home email me at thugirl4lifeTNN@msn.com I thank you in advance for your help.
- 68.63.34.50 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 17:19:02 (UTC)

Paul Brasino:
Trix: when I had that trouble that you are having with your e-mail , I deleted everything i had in the folders that was taking up a lot of room-don't even know why I was saving all that stuff anyway..Have not have that problem since, but I am not PC whiz--just thought I shoul pass that along, for whatever it is worth...See hoe nice it is though to have the Plauderzimmer, right? Forever greatful to Helmuth..Best regards, Paul-the Sicilian Gottscheer....
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 22:53:09 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Gerhard:
I saw your message to Ridy, with my name in it, but I have absolutely no understanding of German. Can I answer something? I am Roman Samide's first cousin once removed.
- 12.83.103.190 - Sunday, June 02, 2002 at 03:12:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good evening to everyone. Went to the Franklin Square picnic and had a good time. Weather cooperated.
- 205.188.193.51 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:06:39 (UTC)

Dan stapel:
Just saying hello. Was a great weekend. We had 5 grandkids staying over this weekend. HELP! Just kidding but you could imagine the noise around here. Thank goodness was nice weekend so we could play outside most of the day I hope everyone has a great week ahead of them

- 64.21.123.99 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:17:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi Dan, good to hear from you. I hope you have a good week.
- 205.188.193.51 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:20:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Slow night tonight. Will check back in later. Watching the Lakers and Kings.
- 205.188.193.51 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:22:30 (UTC)

Fred Falkner:
Hello
We are just about ready for the trip. I'am in touch with my Slovenian part of the family and they are looking forward for a reunion.
- 64.12.105.26 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:26:18 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Dan, Fred and Jim!
Dan - you sound like my father used to sound when we left all our kids with my parents. . . . he loved seeing them come because he loved spending time with them; and eventually he loved seeing us come to pick them up again and take them home! But think of the memories you're giving them. All these years later, my kids still talk about what they used to do with Opa and all the wonderful things Opa did for them.
Fred - I hope you have a wonderful trip back home, and I'm sure it will be a very memorable birthday for you! Do you speak Slovenian, or do your relatives speak German?

- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:33:24 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy, I think just stopped in for a quick hello. Fred, good luck on the trip.
- 205.188.193.51 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:37:19 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Have you ever considered trying to sell some of your books at other Gottscheer gettogethers? Not sure how you would do it.

- 205.188.193.51 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:38:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening one and all. Hope you are all doing well. Still waiting for your first e-mail Ridy. Can you believe it? I agree with Dr. Jim regarding your book Ridy. Maybe someone could have their copy at the picnic in Walden and take orders?
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:39:49 (UTC)

Fred Falkner:
Hy Ridy
No I do not speake Slovenisch an they no German.We are in fur fun time
- 64.12.105.26 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:39:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Just remember Fred all the young people speak English and there is always body language.
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:40:45 (UTC)

Trix:
Regarding the trip. I just learned that you are flying to Paris and then on to Ljubljana. No Frankfurt this year. How about that!!!!
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:41:21 (UTC)

Fred Falkner:
Good night all have a good week
- 64.12.105.26 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:42:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
Haven't tried it yet, Jim, although I've been told, unofficially, that I may be invited to try to sell the book at the Treffen in Kitchener. Quite frankly, it seems to be selling through just word-of-mouth advertising, and by now there are enough copies out there that people who are interested know that it's available. I think my ego would be permanently damaged if I were to set up shop in an effort to sell it, and nobody came to buy!
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:43:18 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
Just dropped in to say hello. I'll be hanging around for a while.
- 205.188.195.57 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:44:45 (UTC)

Trix:
Quite frankly Ridy that could happen. You are wise indeed. Like you said the best way has been by word of mouth.
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:45:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Russell! Did you ever hear from Len?
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:45:42 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
No I haven't.
- 205.188.195.57 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:47:04 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
I guess he's been busy at his cabin.
- 205.188.195.57 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:47:28 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hmmm -- I'll remind him when I see him on Thursday. Yet another retirement party for Ray.
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:48:03 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Just a quick HI to everyone, yes I am still around.
- 65.227.57.18 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:52:50 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim ~ what's your best guestimate of the number attending the picnic today?
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:52:51 (UTC)

Ridy:
HELLO FRANZ!
Good to know you are still among us! Where have you been hiding?!
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:53:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, YES, YES, YES - I received a message. Yes I did and I say DANKE.
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:54:15 (UTC)

Ridy:
So now we know that my Netscape address gets through. Hrmph.... what's wrong with my Sympatico address I ask you?
At least I know how to reach you again. But respond to me at Sympatico, because I seldom check the other one.
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:55:38 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim: Did anyone speak on behalf of the GHGA at the picnic today? Also, did I win one of the prizes? Boy, that would be a first.
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 01:58:23 (UTC)

Trix:
If anyone has connections to the village of Altbacher I have a couple of beautiful photos of the original well and one of the residents, Maria Kropf.

Also, there is one gravestone still standing in the Stalzer cemetery. It is for a Peter Weiss. If anyone knows this family please let me know.
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:00:19 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, I have been busy chasing rainbows, coons, squirls, woodchucks and what have you.
- 65.227.63.176 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:02:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
Why didn't you tell me, Franz -- I've been feeding them peanuts and sunflower seeds out in my back yard! Not the rainbows, of course. . . .
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:04:25 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Didn't think anyone would care.
- 65.227.63.176 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:05:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry Franz - I don't play the violin!
Haven't you been reading the messages in the Plauderzimmer? We all missed you!
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:08:02 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Gosh, what a compliment.
- 65.227.63.176 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:08:58 (UTC)

Ridy:
I had almost convinced my daughter to give you a call when she's in the windy city this week, just to make sure you're still among the living!
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:09:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
By the way, have any of you started planning to attend the Treffen in Kitchener. Remember the address - http://www.alpineclub.ca/
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:11:23 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, Unkraut verdierbt nicht und Mistviech stierbt nicht.
- 65.227.63.176 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:12:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
Tsk tsk tsk! Spoken like a true Steirer!
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:13:29 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
I still have chores to do, Good Night everyone.
- 65.227.63.176 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:15:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
G�tei Nocht, Franze
- 64.229.233.111 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:17:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Good night too. Have a great week everyone.
- 209.240.245.146 - Monday, June 03, 2002 at 02:32:27 (UTC)

Irene:
My goodness, no one seems energetic these last couple of days. Shall I start a new converstaion Can anyone share good Gottscheerish desert recipies? I think all my mother's desert recipies are Vienenese.

Trix, I as well hoped all was well with you.
- 24.58.145.201 - Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 19:03:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene -
You will find that most 'authentic' Gottscheer recipes are adapted from Austrian, Slovenian, and even Hungarian recipes, at least all the ones with which I am familiar. Gottscheer ladies who wanted to become outstanding cooks invariably travelled 'abroad' to learn their skills. My aunts, e.g., went to Innsbruck, Vienna, Z�rich and Venice to hone their cooking skills. Our Strudel and Darbei Pobolitze are adaptations of the Hungarian/Austrian Strudels; Palatschinken are the same, and so is Kaiserschmarrn. Potize is from the Slovenian Potica. When my mother first saw my Viennese cookbook (by Lillian Langseth Christensen)she kept exclaiming over the fact that the recipes were exactly the way she knew them from her mother - who was 100% Gottscheerisch. So you can't go far wrong with your mother's Viennese recipes. Even something like Pfraumknellein -- they are your Viennese Zwetschkenkn�del. Keep in mind the small population of Gottschee, and the fact that they were heavily influenced by all the cultures which surrounded them.
- 64.229.232.13 - Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 19:19:51 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
To all my wonderful Plauderzimmer friends: After a phone call from Trix, I realized maybe I should let you all know that I am safe and about 25 miles from the forest fire near Canon City. We had a beautiful rain this afternoon in town, and I am hoping it also rained on the fire, but do not know yet if it did.
- 205.188.196.57 - Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 22:18:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
Deo Gratias
and thanks for letting us know, Marilu.
- 64.229.232.13 - Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 22:27:45 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. Thank you - a pretty good day today. So you want some good Gottscheer cuisine? How about buying Albert Belay's Gottscheer cookbook. I think $10.00 plus postage and it is excellent. If you need help just let us know

Are the fingers working overtime?
- 209.240.245.94 - Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 22:38:44 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well, you guys did it again--Pfraumknellein brought back a million memories....Thanks for that!
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 00:06:41 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi everyone,
Where do I buy Belay's cookbook? And yes, my fingers are working overtime. I have a meeting with my advisor tomorrow.
- 24.58.145.201 - Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 15:07:58 (UTC)

Ridy:
Mr. Albert Belay
6305 70th St
Middle Village, NY 11379
U. S. A.

Albert Belay AlberResi@aol.com

Irene - you can check with Mr. Belay about the price -- I think there is a handling and shipping charge on top of the $10 price. . . .
- 64.229.232.13 - Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 18:33:29 (UTC)

Trix:
THANK YOU Ridy. You are on the ball.
- 209.240.237.174 - Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 20:05:00 (UTC)

Irene:
Thank you for the information. Wish me luck I have an appointment with my advisor this afternoon.
- 24.58.145.201 - Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 16:53:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi, Things went well this afternoon.
I have another question on a completely different topic. I'm thinking of removing paint from a door and some wood work. I saw an info-mercial on TV that showed a product called "ready strip." The commercial was amazing. You painted this green glob on the paint, when the glob turned white it was ready to be easily scrapped off. They said it would take off 5 paint layers. We all know that you can't believe everything you see on TV. Does anyone have experience with this or a similar product?
- 24.58.145.201 - Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 23:49:35 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
Hi Irene I looked up ready strip and it seems like a more bio-safe product. It wouldn't hurt to try it. They used it on HGTV. I'm thinking of redoing my Grandma's vanity and I need to strip the old paint off. If I can get it here, I'll give it a try.
- 206.172.22.236 - Friday, June 07, 2002 at 04:07:13 (UTC)

Claudia:
Hi, I am from Austria and I am going to gradiute next week, my special topic are the Gottschee's...I really wonder about the fact, that there is an "Plauderzimmer" in the web...i think it's great...does everybody still now what plauder means???? I think you put the real Gottschee in the web...you substitute the streets, where you could speak, with the web...is this right?
- 62.47.19.85 - Friday, June 07, 2002 at 14:19:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello and welcome Claudia...I am married to a gottscheer family and welcome you to the Plauderzimmer....You will make many friends here...
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, June 07, 2002 at 15:11:58 (UTC)

Ridy:
Ja, Claudia, wir verstehen noch ganz gut was ein Plauderzimmer ist -- wir nennen es hier ein 'chat room'. Chat rooms sind ja am Internet weit und breit bekannt und man kann sich da �ber allerhand unterhalten. In unserem Plauderzimmer unterhalten wir uns mit anderen die selber Gottscheer oder von Gottscheer Abstammung sind. Ab und zu unterhalten wir uns �ber Gottschee, die Sitten und Br�uche welche wir dort pfegten, und auch Ahnenforschung betreiben wir flei�ig. Dann wieder unterhalten wir uns �ber Thema welche uns eben interessieren - manchmal Sport, manchmal eine besondere Kost, manchmal Gottscheer Veranstaltungen in alles Welt, usw.
Bist Du auch von Gottscheer Abstammung?
- 64.229.234.213 - Friday, June 07, 2002 at 16:01:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
Claudia -
merke eben das ich einen Schreibfehler machte - das Wort ist 'pflegten' nicht 'pfegten' -
sorry!
- 64.229.234.213 - Friday, June 07, 2002 at 16:11:39 (UTC)

Paul B:
Ridy-Hi, You tell 'em kid,Whew, you said a mouthfull.I had fun trying to decipher! Regards, paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 03:00:45 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
ok, could someone translate that.
- 206.172.22.71 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 03:36:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridi: Just want to say CONGRATS on your latest book request-very flattering indeed, Did i tell you i read Richies book? There was a picure with him and Adie in the book when they were just tots! Did that ever make a hit with Adie!
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 04:43:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Elfrieda--If you should see this message{ My cousin Frank Jaklitsch said he saw Arnold Runkle at the picnic in franklin Square--If you Know Arnold and can send me his address, I have a large bottle of Flax seed oil capsules I can send him-Gratis of course,,Let me know...Thanks, Paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 04:48:25 (UTC)

Claudia:
Morning Ridy...dein Deutsch ist ausgezeichnet...woher kommst du? Wer hat diese Chatrooms erfunden, f�r die Gottscheer?
Ich bin nicht von Gottscheer Abstammung, aber ich lebe zwei Autostunden von der Gottschee entfernt...viele Slowenen leben in �sterreich (Austria)...ich interesse mich f�r eure Geschichte...iche w�rde mich sehr �ber weitere Informationen freuen...liebe Gr��e, Danke, Claudia
- 80.109.254.29 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 07:13:20 (UTC)

Ridy H�gler Skyrme:
Hello Claudia:
Ich war in Gottschee geboren - in 1936. Schon sehr lange her! This chatroom was established for us by a young American of Gottscheer ancestry, and he generously continues to make it available to us.
When you say you are not a descendant of Gottscheers, but live two hours by car from Gottschee - and that many Slovenians live in Austria - I am assuming that you are Slovenian, living in Austria. Am I correct? Where in Austria do you live?
There are several excellent Gottscheer web sites, which you may find interesting and helpful, among them
http://home1.gte.net/armrpops/Index.HTM
http://Gottschee.com/
http://www.pipeline.com/~jbglad/Gottschee.html
http://www.auditorium.org/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/6711/gottschee.html
http://www.gottschee.org/~ghga/ghga.htm
http://www.Gottschee.de/deutsch/frameset/frameset.htm
If you live close to Graz, you can visit our Gedenkst�tte in Maria Trost, where you will also find much of our history preserved. Should you be interested in the Gottscheer experience immediately preceding WWII, the war years, and the immediate post-war years, the archives at the Gedenkst�tte, the Gottscheer Museum in Gottschee, and the Pavel Haus in Radkersburg will have a copy of a book which I wrote with Arnold Rom in the next week or so.
- 64.229.253.224 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 12:35:26 (UTC)

Edith Eisenk�lbl geb. Gliebe:
Hallo Trix:
Entschuldigen Sie bitte meine Anrede, doch ich kenne Ihren Namen nicht. Ich bin aus �sterreich (noch in der Untersteiermark geboren). Meine Eltern waren aus Gottschee (Mutter aus Altlag, Vater aus Unterwarmberg)
Das nur nebenbei. Habe mit Ridy viel Kontakt �ber e-mail. Wir sind sogar verwandt, hat Ridy herausgefunden. Vielen lieben Dank f�r Ihre Information an Sophia vom 20. Mai, wo Sie die Web-site Ihres Cousins Josef Gladitsch aus M�nchen angaben (www.Gottschee.de) Ich war total begeistert. Ich finde, dass sie eine der besten ist. N�ch abak donk schean �nd scheane Griasse an olle G�ttscheabare.
- 195.3.113.5 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 16:21:06 (UTC)

Edith :
Hallo liebe Ridy,
Vielen lieben Dank f�r Dein e-mail, wor�ber ich mich, wie immer, sehr freute.
Nach meinem Gottscheebesuch am 15. und 16. werde ich dir ausf�hrlich dar�ber berichten.
Dein Buch "memories of childhood" habe ich nun fertiggelesen. Noch einmal herzlichen Dank daf�r. Es war sehr interessant.
Liebe Gr��e
Edith

- 195.3.113.5 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 16:27:19 (UTC)

Trix:
Gr�� Dich Edith. Danke f�r Dein Schreiben. Habe mich sehr gefreut dar�ber. Du sagts zur Ridy Du gehst am 15 und 16 Juni nach Gottschee. Gehst Du mit der Gruppe von Graz oder? Geht Du auch zum Rinden Tisch am Samstag den 15 Juni und zur Messe in der Stadt Gottschee am 16? Ja wir w�rden us sehr freuen auf einen Bericht. Ich war auch in Gottschee gebore n�hmlich in der Moschnitze. Kam im April 1952 nach Minnesota. Wo wohnst Du? Ich w�nsche Dir alles Gute und hoffe auf ein Wiederh�hren. Pfiet Di G�tt.
- 209.240.245.152 - Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 22:57:16 (UTC)

Claudia:
Hi Ridy, no, I am from Austria...I am sure...hehe...I am from Graz and I was at the Gedenkst�tte in Graz...there was a lot of information...yes...
My questions is: is it better to be integrated in a new society, like you in the US or to keep your old culture??? it's maybe an important question, because we've got problems in europe, how much strangers should live their culture or not? do you know what I mean?
kind regards, Claudia
- 62.47.19.169 - Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 08:01:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Claudia - you raise a most interesting question, and one which I had a chance to experience first-hand as a child immediately after the war in Graz, where we lived and I attended the Ursulinenkloster on Leonhardtstrasse. We moved to Kitchener, Canada, in 1948, and in between I've lived in the U.S.A. for 2 years and Switzerland for 1 year. My husband is Welsh. So you see, I've had a lot of experience being a Fl�chtling, a DP (displaced person) and simply a foreigner.
The Plauderzimmer would actually be an excellent place to discuss this topic, to which we all bring our own experiences, good and bad.
I actually live in Toronto, Canada, and the Canadian view on this subject is quite different from the American view. Keep in mind that both Canada and the USA are immigrant nations, and the only aboriginal North Americans are the Indians and Eskimos. The rest of us are either descendants of immigrants from predominantly European countries, but in more recent years, and in increasing numbers, from every other continent of the world.
Canada has dealt with this new reality by officially becoming a multicultural nation, with two distinct cultures: English and French, and those are our two official languages. We are encouraged to keep our own cultural identity, if we choose to, and the government provides funds for this purpose. We have a Minister of Multiculturalism in our federal government. You can walk into some neighbourhoods in Toronto and you will hear nothing but Italian, Portugese, Greek, Chinese, etc., and even the street signs will be in these languages plus English. You will also find schools in these areas which provide instruction in all these various languages after regular English school hours and on Saturdays. The children are all encouraged to remain fluent in their mother tongue because we recognize that the more languages you know, the better able you are to get around in the world, even though it is becoming increasingly common in the rest of the world to have English as a second language.
That's the ideal picture. The reality is not always that simple. While people are strongly encouraged to leave their prejudices and politics in the countries from where they come, they usually bring them with them. Instead of celebrating our differences, which we are encouraged to do, we continue to look on these differences as a reason to mistrust each other, at least to some degree.
However, when I look back over the 54 years I have lived in Canada, I realize that giant steps have been taken forward, collectively as a nation, in accepting each other and each others cultures, and we have become a richer nation for it. Toronto, for example, used to be very much a WASP place - that stands for White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. There was absolutely no doubt about that when we arrived 54 years ago, and very little tolerance for anything else. That is simply no longer true. The change didn't come overnight, and it wasn't always painless. There is still prejudice, but is no longer as strong as it once was. Eventually we seem to solve the problems and as the colloquial saying goes, we get over it.
My daughter, e.g., although she was born here and has a British father and a German-speaking mother, could not speak English when she started Kindergarten because her playmates where we lived also spoke German. That changed very quickly once she got into school. It didn't hinder her - it helped her. My son eventually went to a bilingual school - English/French. They are both fluent in both languages. Sadly, their German has all but disappeared because I chose not to insist that they speak it at home. But it was a choice I was free to make. They carry two passports - the Canadian, of course, and a European Community passport, compliments of their father. It is very easy for them, of course, because they are white. Their skin colour does not instantly tell Europeans that they are not European-born. However, when I look at their circle of friends, I can see that multiculturism works beautifully. . . . their friends are made up of different races and religious backgrounds, and some of them are still waiting to become Canadian citizens. What they have in common is respect for each other and friendship. Alle Menschen werden Br�der. . . .

I apologize for taking up so much space in the Plauderzimmer yet again. Claudia, if you will send me your e-mail address, I will be happy to discuss this topic further with you. My address is ridy@sympatico.ca

- 64.229.236.153 - Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 11:34:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
You may find this article in the Washington Post very interesting. . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18674-2002Jun8.html
- 64.229.236.153 - Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 12:07:26 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, THANK YOU for a marvelous educational lecture. I feel like I am in a college classroom. Very much appreciate your sharing and good for all of us to learn. Agree, this is a good topic for all to think about and reflect on. Nice job Ridy and Danke.
- 209.240.245.171 - Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 20:52:54 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi All! Very cold here in Utah. Our high today was 53F. Very cold for this time of year. Snow is falling in the mountains as I write. Hope all are doing well.
- 209.240.222.32 - Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 23:36:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix--You are so right--I second the motion.In Italian Ridy would be called Maestra (Teacher)--well done.....Everyone stand up and give three cheers for Ridy!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 00:34:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, Bravo to you too. What a nice job you did!!! You are a Maestra too.
John, WOW! What a crazy summer this could be. Talk to you later.
- 216.251.169.15 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 01:00:13 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hope you can be around for a while. when i get back--in the meantime, enjoy...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 01:33:52 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Looks pretty quiet tonight!
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 01:45:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi John. Hope you are staying warm. Had a very delightful visit with Joan this afternoon and I am expected excellent results. Thanks for the connection John and will let you know when I receive it.
- 216.251.169.15 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 01:55:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good evening everyone. John, I hope some of that cool weather and moisture is headed our way here in Colorado. We can use both.
- 205.188.200.34 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 01:55:07 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good Evening, y'all.
- 65.227.59.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:10:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz! How are you?
- 205.188.200.34 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:11:43 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Hi, Marilu. Thank you for asking, I am fine and dandy. What's with the fire by Canon City?
- 65.227.59.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:15:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello!
Glad to see there's still somebody left in here. . . .
It's been busy around here, and we've had the first really warm weekend of the year. I've melted already.
- 64.229.238.89 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:16:43 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Wow, the Canadians are coming, the Canadians are coming.
- 65.227.59.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:18:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
Ouch!
Don't worry, Franz. Too tired to do any damage this evening. Bet Jim is glued to the Lakers/Nets game.
- 64.229.238.89 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:19:19 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, I didn't say anything about damage. Or did I?
- 65.227.59.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:20:46 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy. I had email from Jim earlier today and yes he is at the game. Said he was taking two camera's. lol Franz, the fire is out. Thank God for the rain we had, or it would still be burning. It was on Copper Gulch road, about 25 miles south west of Canon City.
- 205.188.200.34 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:21:58 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Marilu, that was close be Westcliffe, wasn't it?
- 65.227.59.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:24:25 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
I've got work to finish. Good Night all.
- 65.227.59.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:26:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Didn't realize Jim was actually at the game. What a lovely treat for him!
- 64.229.238.89 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:26:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
Glad you dropped by, Franz. G�tei Nocht.
I think I'm falling asleep as I'm typing, Marilu, and I'm running out of steam fast. Didn't realize it was going to be so warm today so I baked a couple of Strudels. It would have helped if I had another pair of hands!
- 64.229.238.89 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:28:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy and Franz: Goodnight. Actually Franz the fire was not close to Westcliff. Ridy it was warm here also today.
- 152.163.205.82 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 02:49:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy- If you are still awake.e-mail me a nice piece of strudel--you sure are ambitious-I had left over smoked pork tenderloin today and was going to make another Ville-but never got around to it..So, I am putting the coffee with Kahlua-hurry and send that strudel!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 03:16:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jim- I'm sure you will read this later-just wanted to say that I wish i had Known you were going to be in franklin Square.My cousin frank jaklitsch was there, and I would have asked him to try to get you on the P A Sys, you two guys would have gotten along well, i am sure. He was telling me that Arnold Runkle from Walden was there too-playing his accordian- 81 and going strong.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 03:26:38 (UTC)

Claudia:
Bravissimo Maestra...thanks for this interesting speech...hehe...I will come later again, I have to learn now...thanks again and thanks for this experience, for a virtuell gottschee...
- 62.47.18.204 - Monday, June 10, 2002 at 09:47:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry I missed 2 Sunday nights on the plauderzimmer. Vacation and relatives kept me away. Glad to hear all the news. Trix tells me my cousins, Pete and John Jonke, may go to Gottschee this summer. Super! Will log on next Sunday night. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.56.146.2 - Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 01:41:23 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
HI everyone. I couldn't get on the chat line Sunday night because we were being slammed with heavy rain and then ping pong ball size hail. It rained here for 2 days and it was heavy rain. North end of the town is flooded and the creek that runs through my backyard rose about 4feet.
- 199.243.211.132 - Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 18:53:46 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello to all in the chatroom. I missed last Sunday and will be away this Sunday so I just wanted to say hello. The Lakers are one win away and they will most likely get it tonight. I have rooted for the Lakers almost thirty years and also root for the Nets but it is the Laker's year. They just seem to know when to pull it together. I don't think they will get a fourth ring in a row but I think they will get the third. The picnic was fun. Met some online friends, had a little food, and enjoyed the music. I was hoping to get to the Walden fest in July but will be on call.
- 152.163.201.211 - Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 17:47:57 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the Alpine Club website has been updated. Check it out at
www.alpineclub.ca
You can make your reservations for the Gottscheer Treffen in Kitchener, Canada, directly from this web site.
- 64.229.238.8 - Friday, June 14, 2002 at 21:44:42 (UTC)

Adie & Paul Brasino:
We wish you all a very Happy and Pleasant Sunday-Fathers Day....
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 03:30:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi everyone, I have been away for a week but I would like to add my comments to Ridy's and Claudia's discussion. I think it is wonderful to teach our children about their heritage, past culture and ancestry. However, I feel very strongly our children should be able to speak the native language of the primary cluture they live in without an accent. There is so much prejudice in this world that giving someone another reason to discriminate against someone else is foolish. We lived in Pittsburgh for four years which at one time was the second largest area for corporate headquaters in the U.S. What I noticed is that as people worked their way up the corporate ladder they lost their regional accents (such as from the deep south, or New England) so that they could "fit in" and "get ahead." I feel very strongly that if we encourage children living in the U.S.to speak English as a "second language" we are condemming them to the role of "second class citizens." I don't like it but I think it will take many decades before this changes.
Also the way to quickly unite a nation is to have one common language. When Israel first became a nation, the founding fathers decided to insist that the official language would be Hebrew, which at that time Hebrew was used almost entirely for religious purupose (like Latin was used for our Mass). This was a brilliant idea because it made all these different immigrants from different countries quickly feel as one nation.
From what I have read, French/English signs in the western part of Canada (becuase of the bilingual law that all official communications must be written both in English and French) have been ripped down in anger. It is my understanding that wherever a picture can be used to communicate instead of a bilingual sign, pictures are the prefered method to communicate official instructions such as trafic signs in the western part of Canada. Just my thoughts.

Hope all our male friends have a Happy Father's Day.
- 24.58.145.194 - Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 17:38:30 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Have been away 2 Sundays. Must catch up on all the doings on the plauderzimmer. Hope all the fathers had a good day.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 00:57:42 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Interesting subject. I teach ESL (Eng as 2nd Lang) as a volunteer tutor in Adult Basic Ed. My student and others are eager to learn English. They feel it is necessary.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:01:14 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi everyone.

- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:09:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: So glad you logged on. I made a little comment, after I read your message. Thank you for your insight. This is an interesting subject.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:11:35 (UTC)

Irene:
It is an interesting subject. I have very strong opinons on this topic and I think I should show some discretion concerning my ideas.
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:13:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: I have been remembering something about my dad. He came from Kummerdorf. He was so impressed by people who were "good talkers", as he said. They were very special in his book.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:17:09 (UTC)

Irene:
Margaret I don't think we have officially met. My mother talked about the Jonke family. There most likely must have been many "shoots" off of the family tree. Would any of your ancesters come from Hohenegg?
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:17:42 (UTC)

Irene:
Do you know how far Kummerdorf was from Hohenegg?
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:18:54 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: I don't recall anything about Hohenegg in our family tree. My oma was Jonke before and after marriage. She was born in Lichtenbach. My father's family owned a farm some 300 years in Kumerdorf. Our cousin, Pete Jonke, did a family tree that is incredible!
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:19:55 (UTC)

Irene:
Margret just another thought, Did any of your relatives live in the Ridgewood/ Glendale are of NY or go to the Gottscheer clubhouse?
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:20:20 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: No I don't know the distance, but I'll bet that Ridy or Trix could tell us. Hohenegg is not a name I am familiar with.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:21:09 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: My aunt and uncle-Herman and Anna Lachner, managed the Gottscheer club for many years. My oma lived with her and my Tante Frieda Willand for many years. My cousins are last name Stalzer from Ridgewood. Sound familiar??
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:22:55 (UTC)

Irene:
I remeber my mother mentioning Jonkeish(name)but I cannot remember what that name was. ( It could have been Jonkeish Mitze- but I may be making this up. Memory plays tricks on us.
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:24:12 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: My Tante Leni Jonke from Mahopac, NY, is still alive. Her name was Eppich, before she married my Uncle Gustav Jonke. My aunt, Anna Mausser Jonke, still has a brother, Frank Mausser, in Ridgewood.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:26:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Unfortunately I did not grow up in this area. We vi
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:28:21 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Your message got cut off.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:29:03 (UTC)

Irene:
I obviously did not finish. My mother's maiden name was Eisenzopf. My Uncle Richard Eisenzopf was very active in the Gottscheer club.
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:29:23 (UTC)

Irene:
Where do you teach ESL?
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:29:59 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Glad to meet you. Hope we chat again on the plauderzimmer. Must sign off. Auf widersehen. Alles gut.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:30:39 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: I live in Kansas City, MO, in a suburb. I volunteer at the community college near our house. I am a retired school teacher.
- 65.56.149.8 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 01:31:43 (UTC)

Irene:
Margaret, my cousin married Henrietta (Rita) Eppich. Any relation to your Tante Leni?
- 24.58.145.194 - Monday, June 17, 2002 at 12:15:52 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Found your last message today. Don't know about the lady named Henrietta Eppich. Will ask my "Tante Leni when I speak to her next time.
- 64.154.126.91 - Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 13:20:30 (UTC)

Helmut Schmuck:
Sammle Informationen �ber alles was ich mit Gottscheer in Verbindung bringen kann.Ich komme aus dem Duisburg-Walsumer Raum. Hatte Gro�eltern die uns diese Sprache gelehrt hatten. Die Familie Jonke z.B. ist entfernt verwandt mit mir. Ich habe eine Tante die so hei�t. Dragiza Jonke.
- 172.184.37.181 - Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 22:07:58 (UTC)

Trix:
Gr�� Dich Helmut. Ich w�nsche Dir alles Gute. Von wo kamen Deine Gro�eltern. Schmuck ist ein bekannter Gottscheer Name and kam meistens von der Moschnitze Gegend in Gottschee. Freue mich auf eine Antwort.

(Greetings Helmut. I wish you all the best. From where did your grandparents come from? Schmuck is a well known Gottscheer Name and came mostly from the Moschnitze area of Gottschee. I am happily looking for an answer).
- 209.240.237.137 - Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 01:23:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Helmut Schmuck: I'm a Jonke. Saw your message to Trix. My oma was Jonke before and after marriage. Oma came from Lichtenbach. Opa from Kumerdorf. Any relation??? My married name is Murphy.
- 65.57.26.81 - Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 01:44:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings to all. I would encourage you to visit a new Gottscheer Web Site done in German. It's beautiful. Try www.Gottschee.de
- 209.240.237.137 - Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 03:40:02 (UTC)

Franz Schmuck:
Hi Sophia there appear to be more Schmucks comming out of the woodwork and here I thought Iwas the only one am still working on my new toy verry slow going gut night Franz Schmuck . Helmut Schmuck ruf mich an [ agness"zoolink.com]
- 66.119.174.157 - Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 04:39:34 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I checked out the gottschee.de Too bad I can't read German, but thank god for pictures. I like the part where it has photos for people to help find out who the people are in pictures. I thinks it great for anyone who has pictures and need help identifying them. I have a "few" pictures that need identifying.
- 206.172.22.22 - Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 05:12:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Agree Sharon it is wonderful to have a forum for photo identification. I hope more will become available. I have always believed "that a photo is worth a thousand words" but if you don't know who it is it definitely looses much of its value.
- 209.240.237.172 - Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 11:43:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Can anyone tell me if there is a link to sign in-like a guest book? It would be nice to show that we appreciate the site....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 18:08:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Are you talking about the www.gottschee.de web site or this one? If the one in Germany go to G�stebuch, fill out the forms, i.e. name, e-mail address and leave your message.

If the Kump - Staudacher site (this one) just type your message of thanks. Agree, all of them are appreciated and looks to me like there will be more coming too. To that I say YIPPEE! The more - the merrier. Nice thought, Paul.
- 216.251.178.26 - Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 21:06:52 (UTC)

Paul B:
Hi Trix-Yes I do mean the one in german--actually, Ridy gave me the idea to acknowledge the site in appreciation, I will try again to find the Gastebuch-thanx Trix..And I have given Helmuth my thanks for this one. But I learn something new every day-did not know this was theKump=Staudacher site.when you find time, please explain it to me...And you know, those names mean a lot to me-the Kumps and Staudachers I knew were Fanny and George Staudacher and Georges brother- I knew John and Rose Kump==the two women were sisters of my beloved Brother-in-law Johnnie Rabuse-John was married to Adie's sister Emily Jaklitsch...Yhanks for the memories,,,,
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 23:27:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Can any of you tell me what county Ridgewood NY would be in?
- 152.163.205.63 - Friday, June 21, 2002 at 11:33:54 (UTC)

Irene:
Marilu, I have relatives in Ridgewood, Queens and Ridgewood, Brooklyn, so I assume Ridgewood stradles the boundries of both these counties. By the way there is also a Ridgewood, New Jersey but to my knowlegde this is not a Gottscheer community.
- 24.58.145.194 - Friday, June 21, 2002 at 13:39:44 (UTC)

Irene:
Marilu, if you are looking for a mailing address, go to Yahoo.com and click on the link called "people finder."
- 24.58.145.194 - Friday, June 21, 2002 at 13:41:29 (UTC)

Paul B:
Trix-Ridy...Got a quick answer from the Gottschee.de website on how to get in the guest book-that was real fast.
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, June 21, 2002 at 18:37:05 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene, thanks. I am trying to trace down a Maria Peschel, and all I know is she came to New York, I think in 1902. I am assuming Ridgewood, because she gave as a contact a Ludwig Kump, who was living in New York. And I assume they would of went to where people they knew already lived. I did find out Ludwig Kump and Maria did not marry, so now I don't know where to look for her.
- 205.188.200.29 - Friday, June 21, 2002 at 18:53:58 (UTC)

Irene:
There is a Maria Peschel 86 years old currently listed as living in Ridgewood NY. I would dial first the area code of Brooklyn and ask the operater for her phone number, if that didn't work I would dial the area code for Queens and ask for her number. The most you have to loose is fifty cents.

(Any excuse not to do my dissertation.)
- 24.58.145.194 - Friday, June 21, 2002 at 21:15:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. I have been thinking about you and how you are doing on your typing. It's good to take mini breaks though. Hope you are making good progress.

Can you e-mail me your snail mail address? Please send to: wyants@mlecmn.net. I still have the article on the people from Hohenegg who died of Cholera. Finally got Sharon's in the mail today.

Everyone: The group of 27 on the GHGA DISCOVER GOTTSCHEE TOUR 2002 are having a marvelous trip. The hospitality, the sites and cuisine have been the best, they tell me. They have also have had very hot weather - in the mid and upper 90's but they don't care.

Another weekend to go including mass in the beautiful church in Tschermoschnotz and then on to Bled and home next Wednesday.

Next trip is scheduled for 2005. Maybe a good idea to start thinking, planning, saving and coming along on another exciting journey to the home of our ancestors.

Have a good Saturday everyone.
- 209.240.245.136 - Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 04:03:53 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Irene, I would be very surprised if my Maria was still alive. She was 20 when she came here. And if she married, that would not be her last name now. It might be worth a shot, just to see who she is and where she was from, and if she has any other family.
- 64.12.103.22 - Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 04:26:58 (UTC)

Edith Eisenk�lbl - Gliebe:
Gr�� dich liebe Trix! Ich bin im Vereinsausschuss Graz-Mariatrost und war mit einer kleinen Guppe am 15. u. 16. Juni in Gottschee. Ich war schon das dritte Mal unten und kenne schon viele D�rfer und Gegenden, wo einmal D�rfer waren. Die Hl. Messe war sehr sch�n - in Slowenisch und Deutsch. Auch hat unsere Gruppe einige Lieder in Gottscheerisch gesungen und am Schluss das "Gro�er Gott wir loben dich". Die amerikanische Gruppe habe ich auch gesehen und aus Deutschland war auch eine Gruppe da. Die Leute alle sprechen kaum noch unseren Dialekt, was sehr schade ist.
Ich wohne schon seit 1945 in Kapfenberg. Auch einige meiner Geschwister sind hier. Meine Mutter stammte aus Altlag (H�gler) Ihr Bruder war der Oberlehrer Fritz H�gler, der in M�sel und Ebental unterrichtete. Mein Vater war aus Unterwarmberg (Gliebe) und ich wurde in Tschatesch bei Rann geboren.... Es war diesmal in der Gottschee so sch�n, dass ich endlich einmal nach Warmberg hinauf durfte, wo doch meine Familie bis 1941 lebte. Es steht kein einziges Haus mehr und das Gebiet ist abgesperrt, da dorten die J�ger aus aller Welt B�ren und Wildschweine jagen. Ein bekannter J�ger von dorten hat uns hinaufgef�hrt. In der Kirche in Tschermoschnitz war ich auch schon, da haben wir einige Lieder gesungen. Ja, es ist immerwieder traurig, in unsere fr�here Heimat zu kommen, sie muss einmal sehr sehr sch�n gewesen sein.......
Viele liebe Gr��e �nd bleib schean gesch�nd.
Edith
- 195.3.113.5 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 13:45:07 (UTC)

Andrea Kos-Ziegler:

- 152.163.194.197 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 22:51:10 (UTC)

Andrea Kos-Ziegler:
Dear Trix. It has become known in the Kocevje area that a woman official of the Altsiedler has used a large sum of Altsiedlar money for personal use. As an official of the GHGA organisation who kontributes sums of money to the Altseidler, do you know if any of the GHGA money was used by this person.
- 152.163.194.197 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 22:58:08 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Don't have too much time to chat. Hope all are well and had a good week. Irene: Are you on tonight. Haven't found out yet about Eppich. Haven't called my Tante Leni this week. Sorry
- 65.57.27.106 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 00:55:06 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Will log off now and come back later.
- 65.57.27.106 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 01:00:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings to one and all. Hope you are enjoying a nice evening. We had over 1 inch of rain and it has been wonderful.

Andrea: would you please e-mail me at wyants@mlecmn.net.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 01:17:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Edith: Danke f�r Deinen Bericht �ber Deine Reise in die alte Heimat. Freue mich sehr das alles gut ging. Verstehst Du Englisch auch? Die meistein Leute im Plauderzimmer verstehen nicht Deutsch und ich werde Dein Schreiben �bersetzen so da� die anderen Deinen sch�nen Brief auch verstehen.

Warst Du bekannt mit dem Gottscheer Kinder Chor aus Kapfenberg? Ich habe gelesen da� diese auch eine Kassette von Gottscheer Lieder hatten.Ich glaube es war im Jahre 1956. Kann man diese noch kaufen? Ich m�chte gerne eine Kopie davon haben.

Alles gute, bleib gsund und nochmals vielen Dank. Ich war in der Kirche in Tschermoschnitz getauft und besuchte die alte Heimat das letze Mal im Juni 1999. Servus!
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 01:26:28 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone: anyone around this room tonite?
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 01:55:46 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hi again. Anything happen, while I was off line??
- 65.58.52.1 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 01:56:34 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Magaret there is not much going on so far tonite.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:00:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello to everyone. Is there anyone left online? I hope everyone had a good week or two. Been on vacation.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:05:13 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim, stranger!
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:07:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Marilu. Sounds like you had a busy chatroom last week.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:07:59 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I was going over the messages. Margaret, how are things in KC?

- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:09:01 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
There was a little going on. I can't even remember if I was even here on Sunday nite tho.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:09:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi. Just checking back before I have to leave again. It has been a hot and muggy day but the temperature has fallen by at least 25�. Feels wonderful. We did have a good 1� inches of rain during the night and it really screwed up Grandma's Marathon in Duluth. The party headquarters last night, which usually has thousands, had no one. Big loss of revenue, I am sure.

Dr. Jim, hope you had a great vacation. Hi Margaret and Marilu.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:10:40 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Trix. Vacation was good. Are you leaving already??
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:11:28 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Everyone,
Long day. Traveled from Idaho Falls to Ogden today. Very hot. Mid 90's here. My wife's uncles passed away, so we made a quick trip to the Teton Valley of Idaho. It is across the mountains from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. This area gives a beautiful view of the Grand Teton Mountains and really a beautiful place for a funeral.
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:11:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Trix would you send us some of that rain. It was so hazy today from the smoke I could hardly see the mountains and I live right in them!
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:12:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We went to the Cayman Islands. Linda and I snorkeled and explored some days and I went scuba diving three mornings. Beautiful coral and sea life.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:12:37 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, My son and his family just came back from the Cayman Islands also. they did a lot of snorkeling.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:13:47 (UTC)

Tr ix:
Time for a laugh. Great joke:

The wise old Mother Superior was dying. The nuns gathered around her
bed. She asked for a little warm milk to sip so a nun went to the
kitchen to warm some milk. Remembering a bottle of whiskey received
as a gift the previous Christmas, she opened it and poured a generous
amount into the warm milk.

Mother drank a little, then a little more, then before they knew it,
she had drunk the whole glass down to the last drop. "Mother, Mother"
the nuns cried, "Give us some wisdom before you die!"

She raised herself up in bed with a pious look on her face, and
pointing out the window she said, "Don't sell that cow!"
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:15:19 (UTC)

Tr ix:
Dr. Jim, tell me this. You fly from where to where? How long does it take? What's the weather like?
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:17:08 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Marilu,
We have been fortunate with fires so far in our area. It is very dry here to. We have water restrictions all summer. Right now we are only allowed to water from 6pm - 10am. In central Wyoming it is much worse. My father said that irrigation for farms will most likely end in mid August. This is the second year in a row that they have had to do this. According to the weather service the Wind and Big Horn Rivers are the lowest they have been since they started recording this information.
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:17:24 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, I liked the joke. I agree with Marilu -- send some rain.

Hello, John!!! The scenery sounds wonderful even if the reason to visit was not so cheerful.

Marilu, where did they stay?
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:17:25 (UTC)

Tr ix:
Just remembered to send greetings to a Gottscheer in CA. Hope you are enjoying a great Sunday.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:19:02 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Great joke Trix!
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:19:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We fly directly from Newark to the Cayman airport. Takes about three 1/2 to 4 hours. A snack, a movie, and some reading. I finally finished the "Das Jahrhundertbuch". It almost took me that long to get into it but it made more sense than the first time I tried reading it.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:19:47 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Jim, they stayed at a condo one of his friends owns.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:20:43 (UTC)

Tr ix:
Dr. Jim. I agree with you. I had a very tough time reading that one too and I have returned to it a number of times. It seems it is easier the second, third and even fourth time around. I thought Bencin's book was much easier reading, at least for me it was.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:21:41 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Jim,
Are you still getting a quite a bit of correspondence from Gottscheers? I still get a lot of queries, but I don't think I get as many this time of year as I do in winter. I think the cold weather makes people think about genealogy more.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:22:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I think Bencin's book covered the past history in a more succinct manner but I think Petschauer's book gave me more insight into some of the events surrounding the Umsiedlung.
John, still getting inquiries. The ones I don't bump into, Trix will.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:24:46 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
Are you keeping out of trouble? I'm looking forward to this week. I volunteered to be an election judge this primary in Utah. I thought it would be an interesting experience and they are always begging for people to do it. Have you ever done that in Minnesota?
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:25:00 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have discovered that a good share of the gottscheers that settled in Sugar Creek Iowa were from the Tschernembl parish and found more related to me.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:27:05 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Gruess Gott, and Good Evening Everyone.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:28:20 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Good evening!
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:29:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello Franz how are you tonite?
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:29:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Marilu, I have noticed that people from the same parishes tended to come to the smaller areas. In the larger communities, there mihgt be a tendency of one area more than another but there was also more of a blend of parishes in Cleveland or New York.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:30:05 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Franz,
Excuse my forgetting, but where did you family come from in Gottschee.
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:30:20 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Franz and greetings to you. How is the Windy City?
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:30:39 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Hi Marilu, just came in from watering my vegies and flowers, the mosq. got most of me.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:31:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
John, if you are talking to me, my family came from Bistriz #1 and 5
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:32:08 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz, I am having a hard time keeping up with the watering here.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:33:04 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
John, I was born in a village called Komutzen.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:33:14 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
My veggies are still in the fledgling stage but doing well. Just a few plants. More herbs this year and they are doing quite nicely.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:34:52 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Marilu,
I'm not familiar with this town, but have located it on my map. So it really is on the outer edges of Gottschee.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:35:18 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Hi Jim, this city wasn't windy today, temp. was at 98.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:35:34 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Time for me to sign off. Have to gear up for work in the am. I wonder if it will be a mellow day or if I will have to start making up for the fun I had last week.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:35:56 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
John, yes it was on the outer edges of Gottschee.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:36:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
98 is a good number. I guess that means that it will be hot tomorrow in New Jersey. It doesn't look as if the heat is letting up anytime soon.
- 152.163.207.49 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:36:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight Jim.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:38:10 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Franz,
My Herbist(Herbst) family ends up in Lacknern, not to far from Komutzen. I believe my very last generation of Herbist come from this area when the records end in about 1692 in Ebental Parish. All of the other time the family lives in Sec'(Setsch) and one generation born in Ebental for some reason. So our families were neighbors probably.
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:39:25 (UTC)

Trix:
I think it has been hot all over. Our group is in Gottschee and they have been roasting in the upper 90's even late in the evening. I am grateful to be living by a lake.
Hi Franz.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:39:26 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Jim, as they say in Chicago if you don't like the weather today, wait till tomorrow.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:39:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz, do you know a Mrs. Maria Brinskelle in Chicago?
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:40:49 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
What's happening?
- 209.240.222.131 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:40:59 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
I just checked in....I am always so envious of those of you who can speak some German and share memories with each other. My Drandul relatives became so separated, my own mother born in this country, and then we moved across the U.S. when I was so small. Now that I am finally learning about my heritage I feel that I was so left out! I loved the joke....and we could use the rain here too...in Arizona!
- 12.83.100.98 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:42:24 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Trix, sorry negative.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:42:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi John. Sorry about your wife's uncle. No, I have never been an election judge but I have been in plenty of campaigns. I know who you are rooting for though. Nothing from you aunt yet but I certainly enjoyed visiting with hher. Stay cooooool.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:43:26 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Mary Jo,
Welcome to the board tonight!
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:43:40 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Mary Jo, I feel for wat is happening in Arizona.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:45:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Mary Jo. You have been making such great progress in finding your Gottscheer connections. The document is on its way to Slovenia. We WILL find Jakse, I just know it.

How is your reunion coming along? That will be a great time for all of you.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:45:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Agree, the fires are just awful! Someone should call Ridy and wake her up!
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:46:30 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
Glad to hear you had a nice visit with my aunt. I'm sure she enjoyed the visit with you. She seems to really enjoy visiting with other Gottscheer's and I think a lot of it has to do with being able to relate to one anothers experiences. I wish I could get her to open up more, I know she has a great story to tell.
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:46:32 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Marilu, are you still with us?
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:48:28 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi I am still here.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:49:17 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Trix, didn't you hear the woodcutting by Ridy?
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:49:53 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Thank you, Franz. It is a long way from us though. Franz, when my grandfather Johann Samide came to this country in 1899 he was traveling with his father Andreas, but also a friend (age 17) named Johann Mausser who was going to see his uncle Ferdinand Mausser in Birmingham. Are you, by any chance, related to that branch of the Mausser family? My grandfather worked in the coal mines in Birmingham, and eventually moved to Indiana where his children were born, and then to northern Indiana (suburb of Chicago almost).
- 12.83.100.98 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:50:11 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Marilu, how are the fires by you? I am making preparations for my Co trip.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:51:12 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Hi, Trix! How delightful to be on-line with you. You have been such a good friend. Yes, the reunion will come along fine. I have been in touch with Brinskelles, Roms, and now have a Sterbenz relative to contact!! Add to that all the Samides I already knew......where will we all fit?! :-)
- 12.83.100.98 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:51:54 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Franz when are you coming? I surely hope I am home. They say the Haymen fire is 70% contained, but the others on the western slope are still burning pretty good.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:52:47 (UTC)

Trix:
John, the next time you go there take a tape recorder and say, OK, my favorite aunt, lets sit down and talk about your memories. Prepare your questions in advance.

I haven't thought about this for years. In 1985 when I made my second visit to Gottschee my dad asked me to bring back the best Mund Harmonika (mouth organ). I asked him why? I am going to see if I can still play it. I was over 50 by then and never knew it. Well, we did the best Horner. He was in the nursing home by then and I can still see him trying to play it. He had a tough time but as the weeks and months went by he got pretty darn good - all from memory and all the old songs. He had a bad habit. He would play, stop in the middle, want to talk and then play again. One day I decided I needed to record his music so took my tape recorder sat it down of him and of course, he wanted to know what it was. I told him that I was going to record his music and what I wanted him to do is play a piece all the way to the end and DO NOT TALK UNTIL YOU ARE DONE. In that tone of voice too. He started and actually followed the suggestion (unusual believe me). Well, to make a long story short I only had that one chance to record that beautiful music. There was never another and I am so grateful. When he died we played his pieces for the processional and recessional and there wasn't a dry eye in church. It is one of the most important jobs I ever did and I am so grateful.

John, do the same with your aunt. No warning - they worry about it. Just do it.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:53:06 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Mary Jo, there are too many Maussers, somehow we most likely have a link.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:53:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Mary Jo - tell me again about Johann Mausser, from where? I am also interested in the Sterbenz. From which village?
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:55:30 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Marilu, as it looks today, Friday July 12.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:57:50 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Oh no!!! I leave for Iowa and Minnesota on July 11th. I will miss you!
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:58:36 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz, change the damn vacation!!!!
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 02:59:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Sorry Franz, could not resist!
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:00:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I agree! lol
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:00:05 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Trix, my father was Munharmonika player as well.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:00:25 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
Thanks for the advice. I did this very thing with my Grandmother and her sister about 7 years ago, but it didn't turn out so great. My Grandmother and aunt could stay on a subject long enough to get a good story. I still have the only recorded material with them together, so I cherish it. Within 2 years they were both gone. I will try it though and see how it goes. If I could get her and her aunt together it might be real good. He aunt is in her late 80's and might have some good stories. I believe she was Hohenberg to.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:00:25 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Trix: Oops! It was his COUSIN Ferdinand Mausser in Birminghams that he was going to see. He and my grandfather & grand father were listed as coming from Krain, Austria, and "Franduly", obviously Drandul. I do see the name Mausser on the sketched map of Drandul. The Samides/Samidas were still there at the time of the Resettlement.
- 12.83.100.98 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:01:15 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Marilu, what a bummer. Trix, sorry can't change it is a meeting.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:02:48 (UTC)

Trix:
Sorry Franz, could not resist!
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:03:10 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
darn it! I am going for a reunion on July 13 so can't change mine either.
- 152.163.213.56 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:04:04 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
TRIX, NOTHING TO BE SORRY ABOUT.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:04:27 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Trix: See how excited I am to be talking to you!? You asked about where the Sterbenz family was from, and that is not the question that I answered. My great aunt, Maria Samide, married John Sterbenz, whom I believe came from Untertappelwerch #1.
- 12.83.100.98 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:04:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Mary Jo - you are right about the Maussers. Leopold Mausser from Dandul still lives in Graz. If you have any specific questions this would be the time to write to him. Let me know for the address. Write in English - he can have it translated.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:05:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Franz and Marilu or Marilu and Franz: It was not meant to be, as simple as that.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:06:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Mary Jo: know the area of Untertappelwerch well. Nothing left but I think I have some old photos that show the village as it was.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:07:43 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Everyone,
Thanks for the map lesson. I most of the villages tonight I have never heard of and learning lots. Thanks!
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:07:52 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
hVAE TO GO, GOOD NIGHT Y'ALL.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:09:42 (UTC)

Trix:
John, I guarantee this. If you ever go to Gottschee you will be be intrigued by the whole area. I had made 4 trips there but only to the Moschnitze area (Eastern part - my place of birth). In 1996, on our first GHGA trip we traveled for 2 weeks discovering the entire region including visiting 61 villages, or remains thereof. It was unbelievably fun and so educational. I need to go and visit all the remaining areas before I leave this earth. It is quite an experience.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:10:05 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Good Night Franz!
- 209.240.222.132 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:10:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Gute Nacht Franz. Schlaf gut und hab eine gute Woche. (Good night Frank, sleep well and have a good week).
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:10:46 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
I will try one more time, Good Night y'all.
- 63.20.144.35 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:10:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Come to think of it, that is a good idea. Good night and thanks for some wonderful sharing. Smile and think happy thoughts. Regards to Cook Islands Richard too.
- 216.251.169.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:13:11 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
I never can get over how beautiful each village is when I see color pictures of them. It is so sad when our parents and grandparents don't share this information with us. It is so important for each of us to write our own life history. If I were to die right now my children would know a lot of things about me. I have put a book of my own history together so that in the event I should be taken, that my children have something to remember me by. I really think it is so important. I have so many questions about my Grandparents, but I have no way of learning much about them. My aunts and uncles know less about there parents than I do. My work in family history and genealogy give me an idea of what they were like before they came to America.
- 209.240.222.130 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:16:26 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Goodnight All!
- 209.240.222.32 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:17:47 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
Thank you for allowing me to share your chat room!
- 12.83.100.98 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:20:48 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I see we had a very busy night. I wish my Grandparents had talked about the old country.
- 206.172.22.118 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:57:36 (UTC)

Andrea Kos-Ziegler:
Sophia, why do you not answer the question I asked about the Altsiedler money being diverted for personal use.
- 64.12.102.41 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 04:44:50 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
I was in error about the Sterbenz' village, and I do not at this time have the correct location. Sorry if I confused anyone....I have hundreds of people in my tree now, and I know very few of them. I was mixing them up!
- 12.83.102.201 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 14:51:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Andrea: I do not believe it is wise to discuss this matter on a public forum. If you need further information I will gladly correspond with you via e-mail.

I would appreciate you identifying yourself. Where do you live and what is your connection to the Altsiedler Gottscheer Verein?

I wish you a good day and look forward to hearing from you. Again my address is: wyants@mlecmn.net
- 209.240.237.132 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 17:29:24 (UTC)

Andrea Kos-Ziegler:
Trix.
My name is Andrea I live in Slovenija and I have no connection to Alsiedler Verein.
It is known in Kocevje area about the money. It would be good if you could would say publicli that no GHGA money was taken by this person. This would be a very wise step.

- 205.188.192.53 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 20:23:44 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Andrea. I was hoping ot hear form you via e-mail.

As you requested, I am pleased to tell you that all GHGA donations were given to the Altsiedler Gottscheer Verein for specific restoration projects and were used for those purposes. I do not know anything about other funds.

I hope this clarifies the matter. Feel free to write to me at my e-mail address. Take care and have a good evening.
- 209.240.245.95 - Monday, June 24, 2002 at 22:40:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks Trix, I received the mail today. It is interesting to see so many Eisenzopfs effect by this.
- 206.172.22.178 - Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 04:18:00 (UTC)

Andrea Kos-Ziegler:
Sophia, it is not known here in Kocevje area that GHGA donetions were escluded from the personal use by this woman oficial of the altsidler verain. To realy clear the matter can you say what were the restoration projects and how much thei cost and how much was doneted by your GHGA.
- 152.163.194.207 - Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 21:26:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Sorry Andrea but you and I are all done debating this issue. Take care and enjoy a good day.
- 216.251.169.29 - Friday, June 28, 2002 at 01:57:27 (UTC)

Andrea Kos-Ziegler:
Sophia, this was not a debate. But now, all is clear about the money.
- 205.188.196.53 - Friday, June 28, 2002 at 05:02:55 (UTC)

Arnold Rom:
Hello all!
I have moved my "Gottscheer Bilderbuch" site to a new provider. The new access URL is http://armrpops.home.att.net.

Please pass the word around.

Thanks ...... Arnold Rom
- 12.82.155.222 - Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 15:47:30 (UTC)

Arnold Rom:
Note:

I created a slight ambiguity in my URL address above. You do not want the
ending ".", you may put in a trailing "/" mark if you want. But either way
you will get there if you type as follows:

http://armrpops.home.att.net

Sorry about the confusion.
And thank you Ridy for pointing out my error.

Best regards .... Arnold Rom
- 12.82.152.209 - Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 22:10:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello everyone---Wish you all a very nice weekend..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 04:59:38 (UTC)

Mary Jo Elmer:
I want to thank all of the Gottscheers who have helped me discover my roots. I have written to and spoken with four cousins that I never knew before, and hope to meet some of them, thanks to you! It is so important to get information about the family now and make contacts if possible. None of us is getting any younger! I wish I had started sooner, when my grandparents were still alive to share their stories. Fortunately, I have discovered a gold mine of information through GHGA resources.
- 12.83.103.180 - Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 15:08:20 (UTC)

Trix:
A great and important message for everyone who interested in their Gottscheer heritage, Mary Jo. THANK YOU for reminding us that the time is NOW. You have done a wonderful job reaching out and touching many and learning so much along the way. Keep up the good work and I hope that you will have a wonderful reunion later this summer.

Paul - Happy Sunday to you, Addie and all the silent listeners too. It is a hot one at Lake Waukenabo - 94�/
- 209.240.245.91 - Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:45:17 (UTC)

Arnold Rom:
Hi Trix,

Please pass the change of my URL along to anybody who links to my Bilderbuch web site. The new URL is

armrpops.home.att.net

Thanks .... Arnold
- 12.82.151.76 - Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 23:35:32 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
To paraphase an actor: I have returned to this website!
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:04:50 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
whoop de do!
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:05:43 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
whoop de do!
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:06:44 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
whoops!
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:07:12 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
whoops!
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:07:30 (UTC)

Russell Doucette:
I guess I stll haven't figured out how to use this thing
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:09:04 (UTC)

Russell:
Anyone in here?
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:14:42 (UTC)

Russell:
I'll be back later
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:16:21 (UTC)

Russell:
Everybody took the night off?
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:43:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good evening to everyone. Just came back from the GHGA meeting in Hawley. I met some very nice people and had a good time. The food at Lukans was good in taste and more than ample in amount.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:53:56 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello everyone
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 00:59:51 (UTC)

Irene:
How many people were at Hawley?
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:00:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Russell,
Have you made any progress with your ancesters?
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:03:09 (UTC)

Russell:
Hello
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:04:08 (UTC)

Russell:
I found an inlaw of an inlaw of a great uncle of mine.
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:05:33 (UTC)

Irene:
Great, as the saying goes all great journies start with one foot in front of the other.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:07:04 (UTC)

Irene:
Dr. Jim are your still here?
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:07:53 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Yes I am still here.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:09:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I was just typing something out to Mr. Schauer.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:09:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
There were about sixty attendees and more that came in for a meal or two but did not attend.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:10:28 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix sent me an interesting article concerning a cholera epedmic in Hohenegg and Katzendorf in 1855. The chart lists one Typhus death. The chart lists names, house numbers and ages. I wonder if you would like this info for your database?
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:13:02 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well and relatively cool. A real scorcher here in KCMO. Irene, glad to see you on line.
- 65.58.52.241 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:14:10 (UTC)

Russell:
Any Eisenzopf's listed Irene?
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:14:42 (UTC)

Irene:
A Josef Eisenzopf age 14 died of "auszehrung" Do you know what that means?
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:15:22 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell, Yes several Eisenzopfs are listed.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:15:49 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
The latest issue of the Gottscheer Tree mentioned my opa, Hans Jonke, of Kumerdorf. Details about conscription for the first WW. Very interesting. Sent it on to my brother, Louis Jonke, in Michigan.
- 65.58.52.241 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:16:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening from a very hot Minnesota. Great to live by a lake. Really enjoyed the water today. Glad you had a good time at Lukan's Dr. Jim. Remember, Cleveland next year.

Margaret, Irene and Russell - greetings to you all. Hope everyone is doing well.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:17:14 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell, I'll scan the chart to you. The article is in German. I'll translate the chart for you when I send you the chart.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:17:20 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, if you are referring to me, the answer is yes. I am not sure where it will fit in but it may help someone later on down the line. I think Auszehrung is the equivalent of consumption. That usually meant TB in the United States.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:18:40 (UTC)

Irene:
Good everning all. It has been very hot on the east cost as well.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:18:48 (UTC)

Russell:
ok thanks. I don't think any of my relatives are in there. I believe my Great Grand Father had only one child before he moved to America.
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:19:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Margaret and welcome back, Irene.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:19:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hello, Jim. Glad you are on line. What's new in your part of the world?
- 65.58.52.241 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:20:36 (UTC)

Irene:
Jim, Hmmm now the question is how to deliver this information to you without you devulging personal info on this web site.

Trix, or anyone else do you have Jim's email address which you could send me and I'll scan this article to him? If that is O.K. with Dr. Jim.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:22:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Not much happening tonight on plauderzimmer. Neighbor kids have started fireworks, and my dog goes crazy. Must go put him in the basement. Poor animals are so upset by fireworks.
- 65.58.52.241 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:23:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Auszehrung, according to the German-English Dictionary means emaciation - or waste away, shrink, enfeeble, get thin. WOW, learned another big word.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:23:28 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix, those words were usually used to describe TB.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:25:11 (UTC)

Russell:
Sounds like a diet that went wrong
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:25:30 (UTC)

Irene:
By Margaret, talk with you another time.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:26:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Love your analysis Russell. Keep it up.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:26:20 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, Trix can send you my email address. Margaret, all is well in New Jersey. A little warm. I harvested some herbs from the garden and will use the rosemary to steep in olive oil along with garlic cloves. I love it on bread instead of butter.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:28:13 (UTC)

Russell:
Soory, I feel sarcastic tonight. As I'm writing in here, I'm also checking websites for my job.
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:28:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, come back when the dog is comfortably ensconced in the basement.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:28:47 (UTC)

Irene:
Russell, Oh my, sorry to hear that you need to do that. Perhaps you can use the plauderzimmer to network.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:29:51 (UTC)

Russell:
Anybody know an Ed Morgan?
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:29:59 (UTC)

Russell:
Ed is the inlaw to my great uncle
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:30:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Trix,
I haven't as yet thanked you for the article. I have been out of town again. Here I am volunteering your article to all.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:35:38 (UTC)

Trix:
So Russell, what kind of job are you looking for? You never know who is silently joining us.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:35:50 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, how are things in Minnesota. You were missed in Hawley. Your name came up more than once or twice and always in a positive manner.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:35:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Irene: No problem. It's not my article; I just happened to spot it while reading an old Gottscheer Zeitung and remember you and Sharon exchanging many e-mails about the Eisenzopfs from Hohenegg. By the way, three siblings on the GHGA tour, all from Hohenegg, just returned from their trip. While there they visit Hohenegg too.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:37:48 (UTC)

Russell:
I'm not looking for a job. I'm just checking to see what's going on with the job I have. NYC Transit
- 152.163.204.53 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:40:11 (UTC)

Trix:
I missed Hawley too. This was just not the year to go anyplace I guess. I love the place, their cuisine, the owners and of course all the Gottscheers who gathered this weekend.

Very hot in Minnesota at the moment. My garden is doing beautifully but everything is late this year. Had a daughter and grandchildren here for the afternoon and enjoyed mowing and swimming.

I am very pleased that you could make it to Lukan's. Your presence was appreciated.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:40:20 (UTC)

Irene:
I'm going to say goodnight to all.
- 24.58.145.160 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:46:51 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Eleanor Lukan is a joy. A bundle of energy and smiles. Warm and friendly. Although I had never had the opportunity to go there as a child, I looked out at the land and could visualize the hundreds of families going there over the years to escape the heat of the city and enjoy a bit of the country life. It was the Gottscheer equivalent of the Catskills.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:47:30 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Irene, have a good evening. It promises to get hotter this week. We are currently having a thunderstorm which the grass and plants will certainly need when the needle hits 90+ day after day.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:48:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Lets see, the next big Gottscheer event is the pinic in Walden, right? Then comes the North American Gottscheer Treffen in Kitchener. They always do a great job.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:54:47 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I guess it is a slowing down. Is anyone left tinkling the ivories and making music in the chat room?
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:55:38 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Will be back shortly. Have to check on something.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 01:56:14 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello everyone
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:04:31 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I know what everyone means about the heat, It's hot here also.
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:07:14 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Russell there was 2 Josef Eisenzopf in the article. One was 14 years and one that was 6 weeks old. This one (6weeks) was my gg Uncle from House 6.
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:13:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am back. Is anyone still here?

- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:17:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Jim I just logged on
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:17:56 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello anyone still around?
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:18:13 (UTC)

Trix:
Just returned too. Hi Sharon. How about a bowl of wanton soup - no onions, please. I would love that.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:19:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello Marilu
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:19:18 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I think it is hot all over. It was 100 here today. HOpe it cools off tonite. I have been organizing all my little scraps of paper with notes on them today. Trying to get ready for my trip to Iowa and Minnesota.
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:19:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
The kitchen is too hot. Last night it was about 135F
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:19:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Marilu. How are you doing? And Sharon, how about you?
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:20:02 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix how far are you from Moorhead MN
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:20:23 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Tomorrow We are going to watch the July 1st fireworks
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:24:35 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ok where did everyone disappear to???
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:28:33 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I guess it will be good for my zucchinis, tomatoes, and cucumbers as long as I keep them watered. The water restrictions have been eased so the grass won't turn green.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:28:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
we can't take anymore rain. The lakes are high enough
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:30:12 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sharon send some of that rain to Colorado..we need it badly!
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:30:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
we had some much rain 2 weeks ago that we had flooding in the district.
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:32:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I see Brazil won the world cup
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:32:54 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I meant to say the grass won't turn brown and not green. I am hoping for green, of course. Sharon, where do you live? We had a decently wet spring but it has gotten drier again in NJ.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:33:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I have to go, I have an install reminder keep popping up on the screen. Take care everyone.
- 199.243.211.137 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:34:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Brazil looked so much sharper than Germany. More good scoring chances and faster with the feet. I am not a soccer expert but that is how it appeared to me.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:34:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good night, Sharon.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:34:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Marilu: I am about 3 hours east of Moorhead.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:36:46 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim, and good night everyone. See you next week.
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:37:23 (UTC)

Trix:
Talked to my aunt in Germany this afternoon. She watched the game and said it was a huge disappointment for Germany.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:37:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix you finally came back. Only 3 hours! Maybe I can make it to see you.
- 64.12.103.23 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:37:57 (UTC)

Trix:
It is good night for me too. Have a great week everyone and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.237.153 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:38:17 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
good night as well.
- 205.188.195.24 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 02:40:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well.I am late for the chat room-as usual--so goodnite to you all..Trix, your mention of Lukans brought me back a long way--to the first time I went there-Everyone was still with us then except my wifes parents....I know I was very impressed with everything, amd the food..Good memories...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, July 01, 2002 at 03:34:46 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
I DO NOT THINK I AM LATE WITH THIS ONE! HAPPY 4TH TO EVERYONE AND HAVE A SAFE WEEKEND....
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 23:33:32 (UTC)

Russell:
Looks like you just made it!
- 64.12.107.24 - Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 02:20:47 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
HI RUSSELL: LONG TIME NO HEAR..HOW IS EVERYTHING GOING?
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 03:23:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, as always, your timing is perfect. HAPPY 4TH OF JULY to you and yours and to everyone who may be checking in. Make it fun and make it safe.
- 209.240.237.172 - Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 04:02:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Happy 4th of July to my neighbouring friends. Going to go to the Falls to watch the fireworks. Nice thing about living on the border, can watch July 1st fireworks then the 4th fireworks.
- 206.172.22.67 - Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 06:07:57 (UTC)

Russell:
I've been sweating like crazy lately. I have AC to keep me cool. But sometimes I keep it off. I usually lose a few lbs that way. Otherwise I'm just sweating it out before the weather gets cooler on Friday.
- 64.12.105.167 - Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 14:17:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from a very hot Minnesota. We have 93� with a south wind. Still, to hot to be outdoors. Hope you are all doing well. Lets chat tomorrow night.
- 216.251.178.13 - Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 20:41:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix---Just got back from an extended July 4th outdoor party.Was at the Young Jaklitsch house--nice outdoor shindig..Lot of the still living Gottscheers were there-telling stories about the old days....Has cooled off somewhat here on the island---we need a couple more cooler days..Stay well--hope to get on the chat tomorrow...
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 02:00:06 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Just wanted to tell you all that we finally had some nice rain last night and again this morning in Canon City. It was certainly welcome.
- 152.163.213.56 - Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 02:53:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Prodigy and Yahoo merged. Am having some trouble getting used to a new system. Hope I can log on tonight. Am practicing right now. Auf Wiedersehen.
- 207.193.0.156 - Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 15:17:43 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Margaret. By tonight, operating the new system will be a piece of cake. See you then. Auf Wiedersehen to you too.
- 209.240.245.77 - Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 16:00:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Good evening everyone. We have nasty weather moving in so if I don't join you, you will know why. Have fun and chat away.
- 216.251.178.33 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 00:51:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a pleasant week. Very hot here. Humid. Bit storm this afternoon. Hi, Trix.
- 207.193.2.73 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:07:02 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry: Typo on the last one. BAD storm this afternoon. Hope Irene logs on. Want to discuss the Jonkes and the Eppiches some more.
- 207.193.2.73 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:10:48 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend, Alle!
Just checked the weather forecast for Toronto and all we get is promises of - maybe - some showers. Promises is all we usually get.
Margaret - where are your Eppichs from? I've got Eppichs in both my mother's and my father's family.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:15:50 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: My Tante Leni Jonke of Mahopac, NY, married my uncle Gustav Jonke. They were from Kumerdorf. Tante Leni was one of 5 sisters and 1 brother. Only 3 sisters and 1 brother are alive.
- 207.193.2.73 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:18:14 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Not many on tonight. Will log off. Aur Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 207.193.2.73 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:24:10 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
So was your Tante Leni an Eppich before she married? I don't think any of my relatives go back to Kummerdorf. I'll have to ask Jim. The Eppich my mother's sister married was from Ebental, and the Eppich my father's sister married was from outside Gottschee, but with roots in Tiefental, I think. Not sure about that.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:24:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello Ridy and Margaret...Margaret I am headed up to Fargo next week after a few days in Iowa. I still have your sons telephone number. Maybe I will remember this year to give him a call.
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:31:23 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Marilu ~
You may have heard that we have been getting some smoke (relatively mild) here in Toronto, from forest fires way up in the northern part of Quebec! Quite a strange phenomenon. I went around most of the day yesterday, thinking that something in the house was burning. The wind has started to shift, so it's pretty much gone by now. It's hard to believe that the wind can carry it that far!
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:37:19 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, I can believe it. We were gettin smoke from western Colorado and Arizona here. I was the same way at first, looking for the fire. We have had so many days of haze, it would be nice to see clear skies again. The rain Friday night helped clear the air some.
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:39:49 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Makes you realize how pollution we create affects people far and wide. Food for thought, methinks.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:41:28 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am headed for Iowa on Thursday and then up to Minnesota. Will be gone for 3 weeks and I am starting to panic, when I relize how much I have to get ready yet.
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:46:15 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Marilu - console yourself. What you don't get done before you leave will be waiting for you when you get back.
I've had four different reports now from people who went to Gottschee for the Treffen last month, and it appears to have been an unqualified success. One of my four contact is a cousin who lives in Ljubljana. She was there with the choir from St. Peter's in Ljubljana. They sang a mass written just for this ocasion by D. Mo�nik (the composer)
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:52:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Some day I hope I can make a trip like that. Actually it is stuff I am getting ready to take with me. I am going to two family reunions! Plus getting everything ordered at the store before I go.
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:55:09 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello, is it too late to join the conversation?
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:56:18 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Welcome to the gang of two, Irene. We've just started.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:56:50 (UTC)

Irene:
Everything has a way of resolving itself. Take a deep breath Marilu and all will work itself out.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 01:59:55 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have a rough draft of my Underberg book to take with me to the Underberg reunion, and 4 copies of the Peschel book to take with me to the Neppl reunion, as Peschel is the other half of that family. And I am trying to clean out my office/spare bedroom because two of the grandkids are having one last sleepover before I leave Thursday. I am trying to get all my papers filed away, and decide what I am taking with me. What a mess!
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:03:00 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Irene, I'd like to challenge you on that! I've been staring at things that have to get done in this place for years, and from what I can tell, nothings changed. It's still sitting there, waiting to be done -- by me. Well, maybe something has changed. . . .it's getting to the point where I won't feel bad about throwing a lot of it out -- once our city-wide garbage strike is resolved.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:03:49 (UTC)

Irene:
We saw the funniest movie, "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." It works for any ethnic group, however, I nver remember Gottscheers being loud.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:04:34 (UTC)

Irene:
I must have really Americanized my son because he didn't think it was very funny.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:06:50 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hmmm - the only Greek wedding I ever saw was in "Shirley Valentine" -- actually, I think that's the last movie I saw. The most memorable thing I remember about Gottscheer weddings back in Gottschee was that there was a lot of crying on the part of the bride, and a lot of singing and dancing on the part of the guests.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:07:57 (UTC)

Irene:
I went to a few Gottscheer weddings and receptions as a child. What I remember most was "stealing the bride."
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:10:06 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yes, you're so right! And the groom had to buy her back! Some brides, I recall, were chastised for having made it too easy to be 'stolen'
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:12:01 (UTC)

Irene:
The way they stole the bride in Ridgewood, NY was fir the best man to pre-arrange with other Gottscheer wedding receptions held at the same time to visit those receptions. The best man would take the bride to different receptions and the groom was to visit these receptions, find the bride and bring her back to her own reception. In return we have "visiting brides" from other receptions.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:14:23 (UTC)

Irene:
Was it the same in Gottschee?
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:15:30 (UTC)

Irene:
Who stole her in Gottschee? How was it too easy?
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:16:58 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
But I think it is a custom all over to steal the bride and the groom has to buy her back. They even did it to my daughters!
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:18:50 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Interesting how customs evolve. I'm pretty sure it was the best man's responsibility to keep the bride from being stolen back in Gottschee. Young men who were not wedding guests would apprarently arrange with one of the male guests to ask the bride for a dance, and then dance her out to the waiting thieves. They would then spirit her off to another Gasthaus, sometimes to several in succession,and the groom and best man actually had to find her and then buy her back. The price would usually be a round of drinks. This is hearsay, from my aunts.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:19:43 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Another custom in Gottschee I found amusing was that the groom and best man had to buy their way into the village of the bride. For example, when my parents married, my father was barred from entering Ebental by the young men of he village. They actually erected barriers. It was the best man's job to negotiate safe passage. Again, the price was usually a round or two of drinks -- whatever they could squeeze out of the best man.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:23:00 (UTC)

Irene:
Hmmm. Perhaps I got it wrong on who spirited her away. I was only a child. I'll have to ask my cousin's wife. She was "stolen."
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:23:10 (UTC)

Irene:
It certainly must have been a close knit community. It is a wonder that we all don't have six toes on one foot.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:25:05 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Have you checked lately, Irene. I can't see down that far anymore! I've often wondered about that,with the small gene pool available, it's quite amazing that we turned out as well as we did.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:27:22 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I agree! lol There were certainly a lot of intermarriages, and the village my family came from only had 13 houses, so I think they are all related. Thank God they went outside the village once in awhile for some new blood!
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:29:48 (UTC)

Irene:
I've often wondered it myself. In checking my genealogy often the same surnames keep poping up, of course it skips a generation of two.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:30:58 (UTC)

Irene:
I'm going to say good night. It has been a long day.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:33:32 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I got a rather huge family tree from Jim Heimann the other day, one which shows all he branches everywhere, and every time I look at it I wonder if there is any Gottscheer anywhee to whom I am not relalted! There are names on there of which I was aware all my life, but never realized that I linked up with them somewhere along the line. Thanks to Jim I've also discovered some lovely friends in Kitchener are actually my third cousins! I've known them since we came over from Europe.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:34:05 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Looking over my last posting, I can see by the number of typos that it's time to call it a day. Have a lovely holiday, Marilu - we'll look forward to seeing you back in the chat room when you return.
Good night to both of you.
- 64.229.235.112 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:36:12 (UTC)

Irene:
Oh that is something. Were the original settlers about 2000 people? I bet there were related families in the original bunch of settled in Gottschee.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:37:27 (UTC)

Irene:
Good night again.
- 24.58.146.72 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:38:01 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night Irene...Ridy, I am still searching out Peschel relatives, and it is amazing, I am still finding more. Talked to one in Illinois last week.
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:38:09 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I think I decided when I get back from Minnesota I need to buy another file cabinet. The shelves are getting too full, and the file cabinet definitely is. Time to reorganize the whole office.
- 205.188.200.31 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 02:42:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well I got here and it looks like everyone is going to sleep..so have a good nites sleep everyone.....Ridy, do you remember a family by the name of Hauck that lived in Kitchner many moons ago?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, July 08, 2002 at 04:09:01 (UTC)

Russell:
Looks like during the week this entire room is asleep.
Anyone know the Eisenzopf's of Corona and Flushing?
- 205.188.195.39 - Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 01:45:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Russell you are correct-but I guess the good ole' summer time keeps everyone busy with other things...As you know, I lived in Corona for some time, and in business in my fathers store-do not remember that name...
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 04:25:34 (UTC)

Russell:
In the 1920's and 30's they were mostly house builders. Maybe painters as well.
- 205.188.195.54 - Friday, July 12, 2002 at 04:25:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Russell: The obly builders I knew were the Ingrassias-during the worlds fair time in Corona they called themselves Lana Homes, I think they owned a good part of Corona with rental houses in those days.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Friday, July 12, 2002 at 17:46:08 (UTC)

Trix:
Sunday greetings from Minnesota. Hope you are enjoying a wonderful day.

Take a moment and visit this web-site:

http://martinstrel.com

You will enjoy it. Yesterday I had the great pleasure of not only being a member of the greeting committee as Martin arrived at and emerged from the Mississippi River on Highway 169 north of Aitkin, MN but I also had the great pleasure of spending the evening with him and his 13 member professional support team, including his 20 year old son Berut and 17 year old daughter Nina, at dinner. We were joined by Daughter Amy and granddaughter MeganMary, son Chuck and husband Clint along with representatives of the Chamber of Commerce, the Mayor of the City of Aitkin, Lions International and Rotary Club International who all presented small and appropriate gifts. The meal was outstanding, the conversations informative and most enjoyable with many new friendships being made. What an impressive group. Martin, as you can see by the web site is "Swimming for Peace, Friendship and Clean Waters". He enjoyed learning more about the Gottscheer region of Slovenia and I enjoyed hearing that he knows the area of Tschermoschnitz, my place of birth, as he goes skiing there. What a great experience this has been.

Enjoy and will hat later on.
- 216.251.178.5 - Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 13:49:21 (UTC)

Trix:
Here is the second web site address:

http://martinstrel.siol.net

- 216.251.178.5 - Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 13:52:51 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Everyone. Just in case I don't make it to the Plauerzimmer tonight please know it is because we have kids and grandkids here; the fish are biting; the water is perfect for swimming etc. Enjoy the evening and enjoy chatting.
- 209.240.237.171 - Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 23:28:40 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Will be here for a short time. How is everyone this week?
- 205.188.193.51 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 01:06:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Jim, glad you are logged on. Hot in KCMO, otherwise fine. Hope all is well with you.
- 216.61.122.143 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 01:07:51 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Where is everyone tonight??
- 216.61.122.143 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 01:19:00 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Will say auf widersehen. Bleib gesund. Alles gut.
- 216.61.122.143 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 01:19:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, could only stay on for a short while before. Is anyone still around?
- 205.188.193.26 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 02:22:27 (UTC)

Franz schmuck:
Was that a Gottscheer on the tour deFrance by the name of Jaksche?
- 66.119.174.100 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 02:59:49 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Some of you may be (or have been) experiencing problems reaching this site. This is due to a server move by Verio, Inc. which is not routing properly to the new location.

While this is being fixed, please pass the word to anyone who cannot reach it, to use the link below to access.

http://hwk.best.vwh.net/ks
- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 12:03:54 (UTC)

Preiml(Rattinger):
I`m from Austria and try to find Isabel Poje who lived 1976 in Austria (and viseted the school)For answers Preiml@gmx.at
- 193.170.217.209 - Monday, July 15, 2002 at 12:18:57 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Everyone should be able to access the site once again via either URL or bookmark. Notify me if anyone has any problems doing so.
- 204.180.133.234 - Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 11:51:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: I have not had any problem-but I do want to thank you again for your kind info and generosity...Stay Well..Paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 19:07:44 (UTC)

Franz schmuck:
lookig for info on or whereabouts of Marie Sevar/Sever. Lawrence Sevar/Sever. Mathilda Flack. belived to be in Cleveland,
Eucled Ohio.Email {agness@zoolink.com} Any and all info apriciated ,tha.nk you
- 66.119.174.170 - Friday, July 19, 2002 at 03:52:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Helmuth, No problem here with the chat line. So far so good at this end.
How are things going Trix. I haven't talk to you lately. Fishing sounds good there. Can you smell the forest fire down there from up here North. I say the fire is about 5 hours north of me and the past 2 days we have been smelling it. Very strong smell. The town has a haze, soetimes thick sometimes not. Take care everyone. Enjoy the summer.
- 206.172.22.205 - Friday, July 19, 2002 at 05:27:44 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
Franz Schmuck:
I don't see any responses to your question about Jaksche, so let me respond that his first name is Jorg and he's listed as being from Germany. I don't think that would exclude a Gottscheer background though. I believe he had a website a few months ago that I found when searching for Jaksche genealogy. I tried to relocate his website by searching for Jorg Jaksche on www.google.com today, but got 10 pages of "hits". Obviously he's getting a lot of press right now.
- 12.83.101.82 - Friday, July 19, 2002 at 16:18:46 (UTC)

Bertha Mausser:
I am new on the Internet, maybe someone will recognize my name? I would like to hear from a fellow Gottscheer.
- 205.185.127.55 - Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 18:10:36 (UTC)

Ed and Mary Krocker:
Hello Bertha Mausser!
Ed is related to many Maussers from the Komutzen area of Gottschee. His grandparents, who spelled their surname Kraker, immigrated to the U.S. shortly after 1900. We recently visited in Hawley, Pa., with Adolf and Marie Mausser of Ridgewood, N.Y., and several members of their family. Adolf and Ed are second cousins. Many Gottscheers chat on this site on Sunday evenings and will certainly recognize the Mausser name.
- 209.151.190.213 - Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 20:22:21 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello Bertha Mausser!
My mother was Mitzi Mausser of Ebental -
Which area of Gottschee are you from?

- 64.229.252.251 - Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 20:25:51 (UTC)

Franz Schnmuck:
Jody Elmer. Thank you at least I know now that I was not imagening things. the name Jaksche is not to comon this is why it got my attationn. A Cousin of my Fathers who lived in Germany was married to a man by that name and I was wondweing if this was his grandson ? Many thanks
- 66.119.174.53 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 06:31:37 (UTC)

Franz Schnmuck:
boy I realy know how to foul up things spelled even my name wrong Schmuck is correct. to bad no delete here.
- 66.119.174.53 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 06:36:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Ridy, What a small world eh? Did you find another cousin? Iam burning the nidnite oil,,Grand and Great Grand children are up from Florida-almost three in the A.M. And I am just beginning to wind down. Have a great Sunday.
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 06:45:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Sunday Morning greetings from a hot, muggy and wet Minnesota. Am waiting for cooler temperatures to work the garden and cut the grass. The mega amount of mosquitos do not help either. Oh, well, this too shall pass.

Hope you are all doing well. Paul, totally understand your statement about "winding down" at the end of the day. Been there, done that but fun, fun too.

Herr Schmuck. Don't swet the stuff. We learn one step at a time and once we get it, it stays with us. You are doing fine.

Greetings Ridy. Hope everything is great in Toronto.

Hope to see you all later in the evening. Smile and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.245.136 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 16:04:16 (UTC)

Trix:
Just a reminder: Martin Strel the Slovenian marathon swimmer is well on his way past the Twin cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul.

If interested visit his web site: www.martinstrel.com and follow his daily activities with photos. It's quite an undertaking and followed by many around the world. If problems let me know. ENJOY!!!
- 209.240.245.136 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 16:08:10 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Bertha Mausser, greetings from another Mausser.
- 63.20.151.131 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 17:57:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix: Thank you for the news on Guy-I just traveld down the Ms. River with him, and I must tell you, I am exhausted! What an interesting story-I did almost all the links too-glad you gave out the info on this man--enjoyed it very much-will go back to the website again,,Have a nice day-hope your weather improves.Spending the last day with the kids from Forida today at my sons' house- I will really be winding down tonite! I may have to go to some kind of recoupe place---just kidding--I will survive. Danke again..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 18:07:20 (UTC)

Franz Schmuck:
Thanks Sophia I needed that vote of confidence.
- 66.119.174.161 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 20:58:04 (UTC)

Franz Schmuck:
Thanks Sophia I needed that vote of confidence.
- 66.119.174.161 - Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 21:05:09 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Guten Abend, Alle miteinand!
I'm a bit early today, but I'm waiting for the dishwasher to finish so that I can load it again, and sitting down at the computer feels good after a day of cooking! Anybody here yet?
It's definitely iced-tea weather in Toronto - hot, hazy and humid. Yuck!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:00:06 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. Hi, Ridy! Hope you are well. Anybody on yet??
- 207.193.0.234 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:15:42 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Anyone know Frank Mausser from Queens?? Not doing well. In and out of hospital. Frank must be nearly 90 or 91 now.
- 207.193.0.234 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:24:17 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Website for Martin Strel is excellent. Everyone should log on. He swam the length of the Danube and other rivers. WOW!
- 207.193.0.234 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:31:30 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must go. AUf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 207.193.0.234 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:33:14 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sorry I missed you, Margaret - had to be back in the kitchen. Woman's work is never done!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:39:47 (UTC)

:
Ridy, schoe wil hoscht due gekoechet, ubr mir hoscht due nisch geschuet odr ingeludn.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:45:36 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Fremde Leite t�n i et inludn...... ber pischt d�? V'leicht dar heilige Geischt?
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:49:23 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Is there a meltdown tonight or what?
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:50:00 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Aha, Heiliga hubr nue a schon.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:51:35 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gr�� Dich Gott, Franz!
It's nice to see you back on! Hasn't been very busy lately. It must be the weather. . .
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:51:48 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
D' G�ttschaebare hent olle heilig! M�niche lei scheinheilig, opur!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:53:15 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Yup, 98 and heatindex of 106, that's too much, it's time to return to the alps.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:54:07 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, ber denkesct Due as dr Scheinheiliga ischt?

- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:55:43 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
You're right, Franz -- but you'd have to climb pretty high up to get the cooler breezes.
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:56:13 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mir schugent schei schon t�ch as i lei a scheinheiligei pin scho miss is glaben. Ich pin b'stimmt et dei oinzige.
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 01:58:06 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, I returned last Wednesday from Coplorado, it was hot during the day in the sun, cool and breezy in the shade and very comfortable and cool during the night and that without airccondition. Made me think twice about living in the Midwest.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:00:16 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, ja ber schugat dos ibr di, dos ischt ju et za glabn.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:02:44 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Never been to Colorado - but I think the Midwest is a lot like Toronto. . . . .too hot and humid in the summer and too cold in the winter. So tell me why I live here!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:03:10 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good question!
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:03:57 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Mein M�tr hot t�ch ah� gescheut - und ihr hon i aus geglabet.
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:04:20 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
So, Franz, what other trips are in store for you this summer?
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:05:46 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Due mischt ju a brafs Dirndle geban bes aus scheinr Mueatr glabat.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:06:07 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Would like to visit Montana if at all possible and if all my slaves cooperate.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:07:30 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Franz, I think I've exhausted my brain with all this Gottscheerisch this evening! I think our spelling could only be called inventive!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:08:14 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
What's in Montana?
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:09:07 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
You are right again, have not been able to find a Gottsceer Dictionary as of now, therefor we have to invent.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:10:15 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
What's in Montana? Slower pace, beautiful mountains and rivers and I have a log cabin in Big Sky.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:12:31 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Martha Hutter has a very good Gottscheer W�rterbuch, but I'd have to look up every single word. It just wasn't meant to be a written dialect. A bit like Wienerisch or Berlinerisch
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:12:53 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hmmmm, a log cabin in Big Sky, a place in Colorado, a home in Illinois -- remind me to ask you for a loan when I need one!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:14:01 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Oder Steirisch und Stoansteirisch.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:14:29 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Have not thought about going into Banking.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:16:32 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Haven't heard Stoansteirisch in a very long time! Wonder if I could still understand it?
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:16:59 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Well, that are the steirisch Hillbillies.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:18:03 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I don't think it would be called banking -- more like gambling, about as secure as investing in the stock market these days! You have to read Robert Rubin's article in the Washington Post today. . .
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:18:21 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
What has R. Rubin to say? Blaming it all on W.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:19:34 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
If the shoe fits. . . . .
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:20:05 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Did you watch any of the golf from Scotland yesterday and today? Even I got interested! Amazing no matter how you look at it.
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:21:15 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, in my eyes this was brewing for the last 5 or 6 years.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:21:44 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
No, did not watch, I am not into golfing.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:22:54 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
What? the weather in Scotland -- hell, that's been brewing for the last Millenium! (is that one 'l' or two?)
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:23:36 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Nice escape.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:24:31 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Actually, I'm only into watching Tiger. . . . I only watch the winners - usually.
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:24:43 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
What happened to Tiger, did he get tamed or what?
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:25:32 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I thought you were only in Colorado - not on Mars!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:26:46 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
They don't shoot 8 or 10 over par on Mars.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:28:13 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yeah, right!
We are getting some fierce thunder and my cat just came charging in from outside and is hiding under the couch! Must go and calm her down . . .
G�tei Nocht, Franze, and drop in again soon!
- 64.229.233.48 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:29:42 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Guetei Nocht, scik epos ragn za uensch.
- 67.195.25.27 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 02:30:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Got back too late again---but Ridy and Franz kept the wires alive---pleasant night to you all
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 03:42:25 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
http://xp1700.dyndns.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album12
I'm posting some photos I've just received taken at the Treffen in Gottschee last month. Tell me if you can access them. . . .
- 64.229.236.149 - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 16:28:03 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
Ridy: Very nice, easy to access! I received the book that you and Arnold Rom co-authored, and think that you both did a wonderful job! I am learning so much about Gottschee, but parts are so sad I have to read it and put it down for awhile. Did anyone ever think of putting together a cookbook of Gottschee recipes? You mention foods (in the book as people do on the plauderzimmer)that sound so wonderful, but that I've never tasted.
- 12.83.107.5 - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:42:52 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Jody!
I'm glad you're enjoying our Memories of Childhood.
Albert Belay wrote a wonderful Gottscheer cookbook in English and German, entitled "Hoimischai Kh�scht". You can reach Mr. Belay at AlberResi@aol.com
- 64.229.236.149 - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 23:54:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Ridy---I see you have another happy reader--Did I tell you that I just started to read the book again? I still think it would make a great TV movie.....The rain finally hit here today===My lawn sprinkler did a better job...
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 03:11:42 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Paul!
We had absolutely perfect weather today - not too hot, not humid, and no smog - just wall-to-wall sunshine! I'm beginning to wonder if it might be compliments of our guest from the Vatican?! After the lousy weather we had the past couple of days, I'm beginning to think it might be a miracle! I'm told the city is quite overrun by young 'pilgrims' who are here to see His Holiness. I was very impressed with what my sister wrote me this evening - she watched his arrival on TV, as did I. She and I both wondered about the wisdom of such a trip by a very weak old man. But she writes:
Ridy, I must say I did a bit of a turn-around today. I watched the news, and the Pope's arrival, thinking
that I was going to see a frail old man being carried around. Instead I saw a man doing his best to, be there for all those cheering young people, who genuinely admire, adore, love him. They were there united in such excitement and happiness, and really only want the best for the world, not cheering because they have just screwed the establishment or vandalised property, or even injured or murdered their enemies, which we see so much of these days. It's all very positive, seeing so many different cultures united, and I have to say I admired him for doing this, making the effort. It's such a good news story, compared to mostly negative stuff we see.
And to all that, I say Amen! And thanks for bringing the lovely weather!
- 64.229.236.149 - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 03:36:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy-My sentement exactly-what a pleasant change from what is the norm these days...... I watched quite a while on TV too....There has to be a very special place in heaven for Pope Paul.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 03:53:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
And how about the picture of that little girl who was so touched to tears by his Holiness in todays paper...this world still has hope........
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 18:21:33 (UTC)

Helmuth:
The nine miners not far from here are safe, what a great story, a miracle really. You have to wonder, there has been so much tragedy in that small area (Johnstown to Somerset): Flt 93, devastating floods, finally one with a positive outcome. I've run the Johnstown Marathon a couple of times and love the area. The people are the greatest. Have a great week everyone.
- 209.114.157.37 - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 11:05:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Helmuth!
There was cheering in Toronto during the night when the news came in that all nine were alive, and it was the most amazing good news to see that they are all well. Deo gratias!
- 64.229.237.125 - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 11:35:10 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Morning everyone. Agree, the rescue in PA is most definitely some of the greatest, positive news in quite a while. God Bless them all.
- 209.240.245.98 - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 12:44:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Morning All...You folks have said it all..Adie and I were just saying that our and everyone elses prayers have been answered. Thank You God....
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 15:09:46 (UTC)

Arnold:
Ridy:

Did you get my e-mail yet??????

I am glad to see you are still around .... Arno
- 12.82.152.92 - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 22:27:45 (UTC)

Fred:
Is the book " Gottschee Verlorene Heimat deutscher Waldbauern" still around it was printed in 1962
- 64.12.96.42 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:03:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred:
That book was written by Burkhardt Otterstadt's father, but it is long out of print now and the publisher has gone out of business in the meantime as well. In fact, if anyone out there would like to sell me their copy, I'm buying!
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:12:55 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good evening, Ridy.
- 152.163.188.38 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:20:24 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Speaking of books --- how is your book doing? What is the best way that the book can be purchased? We had a family gettogether and a couple of my cousins were interested.
- 152.163.189.203 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:22:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Guten Abend from the hot, hazy, and humid Toronto - but the tornado didn't materialize. What a weekend it has been!
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:22:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I have a question about town names ------ there was a town in the Tschermoschnitz parish named Grossberg at one time but the name seems to fade in later records. A dusty memory engram (Star Trek term -- thought I would throw it in there)seems to remember that it may have been called Scherenbrunn later on. Anyone have something on this?
- 152.163.189.198 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:24:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks for asking, Jim! :)
Just give them my e-mail address, which is ridy@sympatico.ca or my mailing address, which is 60 Somerdale Sq., Toronto, ON M1E 1N1, and tell them to enclose their personal check in the amount of $25 US, and I'll be happy to send a copy out to them.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:25:18 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Yes, it is very humid here in NJ as well. A minimal saving grace is that the sun never really got out today to make it a pressure cooker. The respite will be a short one as the heat is on the way for the morrow.
- 152.163.188.161 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:25:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy, Thanks for the information. Maybe you could put the same information on the bulletin board. I know I purchased the cookbook by Albert Belai in a similar fashion. It is good to have but I have not tried it out yet.
- 152.163.189.167 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:27:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks for your suggestion, Jim. I never thought to do that.
I just checked my brand new map of Gottschee, which I purchased from the Gottscheer Heritage & Genealogy Association, Inc. and I can't find Grossberg on it, only Scherenbrunn.
It's a terrific map and gives both the German and Slovenian names of all the villages.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:31:38 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Grossberg was an earlier name. I love the map of Gottschee. Linda had it framed and it is on the wall of the computer room.
- 152.163.188.7 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:32:49 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Perhaps Trix will have an inkling about Grossberg. I sent an email to Holly as well. Kate might also be a good resource.
- 152.163.188.163 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:33:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yes, I'm thinking of doing the same. I had bought it, thinking I'd give it to my cousins who are going over to Gottschee in two weeks, but I've changed my mind! I don't want to part with it.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:34:42 (UTC)

Fred:
Ridy
I have the book. it is not for sale.
What is eine Gemeinde? is it a district.
- 205.188.209.170 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:36:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
Oh, OK -- I was too lazy to get up and look it up in my Josephinische Landesaufnahme book -- and it is listed in there. Let me see what I can find out about it. It shows it as being in Veliki (?)
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:38:05 (UTC)

Fred:
The trip to Gottschee was very depessing for me. The Castle in Gottschee is no longer there and my Mothers house is now a car repairshop. The School I went to looks as old as when I went there.
- 205.188.209.16 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:40:14 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good evening, Fred. I wonder what the process is for reprinting books whose demand is not great and whose publishers are no longer in business. Gemeinde is a region or district. Probably administrative.
- 152.163.188.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:40:50 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Good evening to everyone. I have been sick as usual so I've out of commission. The weather is quite humid here in Augusta, NJ. with the promise of hot & humid for most of next week. I think I will purchase the map of Gottschee from the GHGA. It will help alot becxause when you all talk about over there I never know where you are talking about.
.
- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:41:12 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Fred, sorry to hear about the trip. Just like the castle, many of the towns have not existed for a long time. There are efforts to preserve/restore some of the chapels/churches/cemetaries.
- 152.163.188.227 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:42:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
The map is great. Just pin it up on the wall and start pinpointing the towns of your ancestors.
- 152.163.189.172 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:43:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Ah, now I know who you are Fred.
I haven't been back to Gottschee since 1963, and like you, I found it very depressing because there is nothing left of the village of Kukendorf. It's been wiped from the face of the earth. It was a very emotional visit for me back then, and once was enough.
Since you have that book, look up the picture of a young mother holding her baby, and the baby is in a white bunting with lace trim and it's wearing a matching bonnet. That bunting came from my grandparents' lace shop -- they produced it in Kukendorf. I still have the identical one!
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:44:28 (UTC)

Fred:
It also would have to be transladed half the book is photos
- 205.188.209.20 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:45:21 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dan, time to stay inside with whatever ails you. It will not be fit for man nor beast outside tomorrow. Thick as peasoup.
- 152.163.188.37 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:46:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
I had asked Burkhardt about it, but as far as I know, he didn't have any plans for having it reprinted at that time. It's a high quality print job and to do it justice would be quite costly.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:47:28 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Even if he doesn't plan to reprint it, perhaps he would give permission to have others make copies of it. The ability to make high quality copies has improved greatly with computers.
- 152.163.189.231 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:50:47 (UTC)

Fred:
Ridy

- 205.188.208.135 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:50:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
He's very generous about giving permission to reprint photos out of the book. I know he allowed me to do that.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:52:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
Dan - I hope you're feeling better again. But Jim is right, the air outside is not fit to breathe. In Toronto it's so humid you can drink it - except that if it was water it would be banned - dirty!
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:55:35 (UTC)

Fred:
Jim
you where right about taking photos I took about 200, a acquantance on the trip made 650 digital photos
- 205.188.209.82 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:00:19 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dan, where is Augusta relative to northeast New Jersey and the Caldwell/West Orange area?
- 152.163.188.198 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:00:47 (UTC)

Frank schmuck:
sophia are you on vacation? my sister was trying to get in touch with you for she is going to gottsche for the first time and was hoping for some advise re: accomodation ? If any of you out there can help please Email gtilley@telus.net Thank you.
- 66.119.174.106 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:01:58 (UTC)

Fred:
good night all
- 205.188.209.133 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:02:33 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Fred, I am always tempted to take more cameras than clothes when I go on vacation. I try to limit my pictures. The good thing about digital photos is that you can pick and choose which ones you want to keep. You can also edit them to highlight or crop things. However, they are more time consuming to work with and the printing does not come out as well as you would like some of the time.
- 152.163.188.163 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:02:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
The one camera that I tend to leave behind is the 35 mm with all the lenses. It takes the best pictures but it is also the bulkiest. The small Advantix comes with me as does the digital camera.
- 152.163.188.35 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:04:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
Fred - a friend of mine who went down from Graz has sent me about 4 dozen photos she took, and another friend just sent a message today that she has also sent off a pack of photos to me. Wish somebody had warned me -- I would have bought some of the stock! Did you take film along, or buy it over there? I always found it was much cheaper to take it from here.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:04:57 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Good evening y'all.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:05:54 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Frank. How was the family information that I sent out? If you have any additions or corrections, just send them along to me at DocH301454@aol.com. It is unbelievable that amount of information that the GHGA has available.
- 152.163.188.162 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:06:05 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Franz. I see you visited the chatroom recently. Nice to hear from you.
- 152.163.189.65 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:07:25 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
Good Evening to you all. Well, guess what? It's muggy and comfortable here too. What a month this has been.

Franz, I have not received any messages from your sister. Please have her e-mail me at wyants@mlecmn.net. If I don't hear from her within the next day then something might be wrong with the computer. I shall then write to her. When is she leaving? Wish I were going too. I will be glad to help her any way I can.

Ridy, Dr. Jim, Fred - Hi to you all. You too Franz.
- 216.251.169.7 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:07:45 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
Actually my message should have stated: It's muggy and UNCCOMFORTABLE here too.

- 216.251.169.7 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:10:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello Trix and Franz!
How nice that we have a good-sized group in the chat room this evening! Wonder if Marilu is back home yet? Where is Margaret?
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:10:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Trix. It looks as if we are all in for a sticky week.
- 152.163.188.70 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:12:15 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
No Marilu is still on holiday and I think Margaret may have had computer problems.

Marilu: if you are checking this HAVE FUN and Margaret, bleib gsund.
- 216.251.169.7 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:12:28 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
JIm. Augusta is two towns above Sparta.

- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:12:35 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
OK Dan and Dr. Jim - knowing neither of the towns, are you in close or miles apart?
- 216.251.169.7 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:13:55 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dan, that is a nice area. Less crowded than the more eastern part of the state. You must get a wee bit more snow in the wintertime.
- 152.163.188.40 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:14:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
A fair distance away from each other.
- 152.163.188.39 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:14:42 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Who mentioned snow? Let me have some right now. This heat is getting to me.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:15:58 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Jim. Augusta is part of Frankford township. Its where the Sussex County Farm & Horse Show is at. I love it up here. I worked in Irvington & lived in Hillside before moving uo here in 1986.
- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:16:01 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Thirty seven miles or about an hour away. We must pass it on our way to the Lake Wallinpaupack/Hawley area.
- 152.163.188.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:16:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
Calm down, Franz! I figured the mention of snow would perk up your ears! You just can't wait to go schussing all over the place again, can you..... Have you ever considered South America for skiing?
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:17:30 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Yes, I know the area. Definitely en route.
- 152.163.188.228 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:17:30 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
I guess we are about 45 minutes to an hour apart. Its real farm country up here. We get bears from time to time going thru the yard. Three weeks ago a Mountian lion almost killed some horse about a 1/4 of a mile from my home.
- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:18:35 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Jim, how have you been? I had sofar a hectic season and had little time to meet with you folks here.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:19:57 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
I just found out this evening that the powers to be in NJ released 22 mountian lions into High Point State Park a few months ago. Their reasoning. To control the bear population a little.

- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:20:41 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Franz, the summer has had more meetings than I would like. Usually the politics die down but not so far. Perhaps the rest of July and August will comply and give me less heart burn.
- 152.163.189.102 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:22:11 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, did consider your suggestion. There is just something that tells me not to bother.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:23:10 (UTC)

Ridy:
That's amazing, Dan! I didn't realize you had such wild animals in New Jersey! I was very impressed to see the hills and mountains -- we've got nothing like that near Toronto. Just flat and water. . . . .
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:23:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
How has the car business been? Have you been able to get Eddie Rabuse out to buy a new Volvo yet. I saw him at the NY picnic as well as the Hawley GHGA meeting.
- 152.163.188.6 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:23:34 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
The western part of the state is much more rural and forested. Everyone thinks of NJ based on the eastern corridor where most of the traffic and cities are located. Urban sprawl is a big concern. I may move further west in NJ as time goes on but not too soon and I won't do it as a commuter.
- 152.163.189.97 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:25:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
Franz - I'm glad to hear that you still possess a modicum of common sense when it comes to skiing! You're probably the guy who ran me down skiing in Obergurgl several eons ago and didn't even stop to pick me up!
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:26:03 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Believe you me we were very surprised ourselves Ridy. We ,of course knew about the bears but the mountian lions were just released a few months ago WITHOUT publoc notice. Everyone is worried about their children playing outside now.

- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:26:29 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Time for me to shut it down. It was nice seeing a larger number of people tonight. Franz, remember --- jingle bells, jingle bells ..... ho, ho, ho and other snowy thoughts.
- 152.163.189.201 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:27:50 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Jim, this car business is just like the rest of the economy or should I say Wallstreet. There are days when I think it's smooth sailing then suddenly the waves rock the boat again and one can see the sharks.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:28:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
We get some pretty wild animals here on the outskirts of Toronto. My neighbour was walking a dog and came upon two cayotes! I thought she was dreaming in technicolor, until I read in the paper, warning people about them. I've had the odd fox in my backyard!
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:29:07 (UTC)

Sophia or Trix:
Have a good week everyone.
- 216.251.169.7 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:30:03 (UTC)

Ridy:
Time flies when you're having fun!
Gute Nacht, everyone, and stay cool this coming week.
- 64.229.238.193 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:31:09 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Ridy, what a surprise after all these years. I allways wondered who it was that I flattened back younder.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:32:27 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Ridy We have coyotes here as well. I have a beautiful red fox who has a den on my property. Like Jim said everyone thinks of NJ as a state full of just cities. It's called the Garden State for a reason. We here in Nj have a reputation that we sure didn't earn. Even the stand up comics make fun of us.
- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:32:58 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Well, Good Night All.
- 63.20.151.153 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:33:28 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Good night to everyone.
- 64.21.107.178 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 02:34:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I have done it again-A johnny come lately, that's me...Went to our favorite Italian Restaurant tonite and spent the entire night there, until they closed. They had a surprise visit there by Starr Jones and the whole place went bannanas, She was ready to keave about nine o'clock when the pilot of her plane came in to tell her they could not leave the airport on account of poor visibility-the rest is history- or she will make it history in her next show, no doubt. So good nite to you all and have a good week...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 04:36:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
OK - I bite - Who is Starr Jones?
- 64.229.234.145 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 12:51:55 (UTC)

BERTHA MAUSSER:
My name is Bertha Mausser nee Stiene,I live in the Cleveland area, I would love to hear from a fellow Gottscheer.
- 199.183.107.139 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 15:55:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Starr Jones is a member of the panel on the show View with Barbara Walters..Ever see it in Ca. Ridy? She is a nice lady, and people are really rude=she did not get amoments peace, trying to eat.....Basicly it is a womans show, I think. I've seen it several times while flipping channels..
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 17:56:24 (UTC)

Peter Pic:
Who knows the Phone Number of Herta/Rudy Tscherne, Bethpage NY. Thank�s a lot in advance
Peter
- 212.152.195.211 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 18:55:41 (UTC)

:
This is what the White Pages show. . . .
Rudolph Tscherne
121 Thorne Dr
Bethpage, NY 11714
Phone: 516-938-0789
- 64.229.254.86 - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 20:28:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hallo, Berta!! Greetings from another Gottscheer. We used to have a fair number of Cleveland Gottscheers logging into the chatroom --- Krocker, Kraker, Droese, and some others. If I am guessing correctly, you are from the Nesseltal parish and married to a Mausser from Unterwarmberg.
- 152.163.201.181 - Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 17:51:47 (UTC)

Edith:
To Berta Mausser:
Hallo Berta, are you married to Joe Mausser from Unterwarmberg? And had you both been in Austria (Graz)to visit your mother all the years ago? Then I know you and Joe from the "Gottscheertreffen" in Mariatrost. I am from Kapfenberg (Gliebe aus Unterwarmberg) Please be so kind and send an e-mail to me. r.eisenkoelbl@aon.at
- 195.3.113.5 - Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 20:14:12 (UTC)

Franz Mausser:
Bertha, if you are married to Joe Mausser, is he Madrsch Joesche? If so, we were good childhood friends.
- 67.192.121.120 - Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 04:33:52 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Just thought I would let every one know I am back home in Colorado safe and sound from my trip to Iowa and Minnesota. Had a wonderful time but it is always good to be back home.
- 205.188.208.40 - Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 22:34:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Glad you had a nice time Marilu--Welcome back.........
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 23:36:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone-the weeks go fast, don't they? What's tne correct grammar-is it "do they not"? Who cares=it's just too hot to be bothered! Going to Niedersteines for a nice German dinner tonite.Some of you former Ridgewoodites should know that restaurant.I'll be thinking about you all-wiyh every bite-and possibly drink...
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, August 03, 2002 at 18:40:08 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hello to all. Didn't get on last week. Gone for 4 days. Hope to log on Aug. 4th. Bleib gesund.
- 207.193.0.5 - Sunday, August 04, 2002 at 15:37:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret:Refresh my memory--Did I ever ask you if you Know Helen Jonke who still lives in the Ridgewood/Glendale area? Her husband (Deceased) is Frank Jonke. Daughter carol lives out of N.Y. state..Helens' had a son who was killed ,if my memory serves me correctly, in a plane crash some time ago-I think it was service connected, but I am a little vague on that part of it...
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, August 04, 2002 at 18:32:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Trix-Sophia: Is the weather still so bad in Minnesota? The weather guy here on our local channel says that we will see a touch of autumn next week, but I think he was smoking some funny cigarettes! Have a good Sunday- I know it will be too late when i get back on.Stay well..
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, August 04, 2002 at 18:39:51 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: Don't think I know of any Helen Jonke. She and her husband may be related to my 3rd cousins, also Jonkes, relatives of my oma, Rosalia Jonke. Oma was Jonke before and after marriage to my opa.
- 207.193.0.93 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:05:23 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: I have an aunt by marriage, Leni Jonke, formerly Eppich. She married my uncle Gustav Jonke. She is a widow and lives in Mahopac, NY. Are you thinking of that lady, also goes by Helen.???
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:13:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You never know margaret. it is a small world after all..I will ask the next time I see her.I myself have not seen her since a wedding a while ago...She was just 90 a short time ago.... And she still dances a good polka!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:16:32 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: My oma lived to 95 or 96 and my great grandma Jonke did too. Must be some longevity gene in the Jonke tree. Very hardy people--almost never sick--worked extremely hard,were restless when they weren't working.
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:23:59 (UTC)

Paul B.:
No Margaret, I don't know Leni in Mahopac-but i do remember now that you mentioned her awhile back. The Helen I am talking about is sister to Anna Meltz (nee Kren) who just passed away recently...And I recently found out that she is a distant cousin to Ridy Hoegler Skyrme's mother-that is a perfect example of what I mean when I say it is a small world.. I can't believe that I made the Plauder Zimmer on time tonite--don't know how long I will be on-we have people walking inhere at all hours most of the time-My son is a musician-need I say more?
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:25:44 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: It is so much fun to "find" long-lost cousins. We have developed a real friendship with our 3rd cousins--on oma's side--once we found out who they were. That part of the Jonke tribe is planning a big treffen for next summer at the Lake of the Ozarks. Our last Jonke treffen was 2001 here in KCMO. The stories we heard were marvelous.
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:29:08 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret: That longevity gene is in almost every Gottscheer that I have ever known,And n]many of them are still going strong-Gods' gift to a hard working group of great people.
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:29:26 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: I must bore you with this story. My Uncle Gustav Jonke once made a week's reservation at a resort in Fla. After the 3rd day, he got so nervous my Tante Leni took him home to Queens and sent him back to work. True story!
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:32:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret: Would you believe that I have not been able -for one reason or other to make it to Treffen for one reason or other-even missed the one that was 8 miles from where I live on Long Island in N.Y.....Someday I will.........
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:33:51 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: You definitely need a vacation. Even a short one. My own father used to pace if he wasn't doing something in his furniture shop--Yonke Furniture Studio in KCMO. Used to drive my mom crazy!
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:37:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret{ Let's play "Can you beat this." My Papa who was not a Gottscheer (But an ardent admirer) was sent to a vacation place upstate N.Y. many moons ago..He came back the very next morning-walked into our store, much to our surprise and said "I don't want anyone to ever talk about this again-don't ask me any questions-as he tied on his apron and started to work!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:39:06 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Really must log off. Work to do. My cousin says the Gottscheers are programmed to WORK. I guess I am, too. Auf Wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:40:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Margaret: Workaholics are the worst-I admit I was one of them-not so much anymore-but some of that "disease" still hangs on...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:41:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
O.K. Margaret-I do understand...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:43:06 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Paul: PS My father told us that there was so much work to do on the farm "at home" that they literally gobbled up their food to go back to work. My family are notably fast eaters. What could that mean?
- 207.193.0.163 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:45:11 (UTC)

Ridy:
Guten Abend, Paul and Margaret!
What a nice surprise to see you made it Paul! I almost missed it myself -- I think I blew a month's allowance on telephone calls today.
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 01:58:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Welcome Ridy==I can't believe it myself that I made it...The musicians trail-in just started-each one who comes in- I have to answer the door-and they all have a story to tell before they go upstairs to the "studio"....By the way, I had my Kahlua cappocinno tonite at the Bella Napoli....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:06:20 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello Ridy and Paul
- 205.188.209.51 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:07:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
No more Kahlua for me tonight, Paul. I've had my quota! Welcome back Marilu! You've been missed!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:09:30 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Thank you Ridy. I missed being here as well. I could of gotten online in Minnesota but you know how it is when you are on vacation. Always busy doing something. At least that is how I am!
- 205.188.209.104 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:11:56 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
RIDY. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME-LAST NITE WAS ALMOST ALL SLEEPLESS AND I BLAMED IT ON THE KAHLUA, AND TONITE I DID IT AGAIN-JUST COULD NOT RESIST-ESPECIALLY SINCE ADIE WAS TREATING!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:13:58 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
THERE YOU GO MARILU-YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THAT GOTTSCHEER EXCESS ENERGY!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:15:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
How has everyone been doing while I was gone. I had a wonderful vacation. My sister and I got to do lots of things together!
- 205.188.209.82 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:16:02 (UTC)

Ridy:
I know what you mean Paul - I find it hard to resist as well. My son gave me a huge jug of it last Christmas - 1.75Liter - and it was supposed to last until next christmas. I have a feeling I'll be looking at an empty bottle before the end of August! Marilu - do you sell many of that size in your store?
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:16:41 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Paul-at least I guess I know what to blame it on now. lol
- 205.188.209.135 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:16:46 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, not many of that size but lots of the 750 size and on down.
- 205.188.208.72 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:17:34 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think everyone has been hanging in there, Marilu. I'm looking forward to the end of September, when my sisters and sister-in-law will come and spend a few days with me here in Toronto. It's wonderful to be able to get together with sisters once in a while, isn't it!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:19:04 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul - what sort of music does your son play?
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:20:54 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes it is Ridy. And my sister and I get along really good, and enjoy the same things.
- 205.188.209.77 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:21:37 (UTC)

Ridy:
You had mentioned that you were taking copies of your book to show your relatives at the reunion. What did they think of it? I hope they were impressed!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:24:19 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I sold a few more at the reunion but several of these already them, because it is the other side of the family. I had the draft ready for the Underberg book for when I was in Iowa, and they are all hoping it will be ready for sale next summer at the next reunion. lol I hope so too!
- 205.188.208.74 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:28:43 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I did lots of research on this trip for the Underberg book, and did some more on the other branch of the Peschel family as well.
- 205.188.208.9 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:29:53 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
RIDY-MY SONS' MUSICAL HISTORY (WHILE INTERESTING) IS TOO LENGHTY TO GO INTO NOW..SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME HE IS PLAYING CLUBS ON LONG ISLAND-HE SINGS AND PLAYS GUITAR-WRITES SONGS, ETC...
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:32:16 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim puttogether a family tree for the Hoegler/Koenig branch of my family and I was told today that my next project should be to put together a family tree book. I immediately thought of yours. . . . but somehow I don't have the energy to start another big project right now.
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:33:20 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I was at that point also, but I came home with all this new information and it got me back in the mode again. However my mother-in-law is coming Wednesday for a couple of weeks, so I will probably not get much done until she leaves. She is always good company, so I look forward to her coming.
- 205.188.209.176 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:35:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
We had a guest up here recently - Winslow Browning - who teaches music at Hunter College and plays a mean guitar. He has a trio, etc.
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:37:02 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Something I thought would interest you. My 14 year old grandson has started using the German translator to send messages to me. He says he is taking German in school as soon as he can. He wants to go to Germany with me!
- 205.188.208.41 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:37:46 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
BEEN NICE TALKING TO YOU ALL---HAVE TO GET OFF NOW AND YOU WILL ALL BE ASLEEP WHENI GET BACK--THE BAND WANTS ME TO PRINT UP SOME SHEETS,,ENJOY THE REST OF THE EVENING....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:38:15 (UTC)

Ridy:
Found some more second and third cousins I didn't know existed while you were gone, Marilu. I figure it's now safe to say that I am related in one way or another to at least 9/10th of the Gottscheers!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:39:08 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night Paul. So Ridy have you found where we are related yet?
- 205.188.209.106 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:40:27 (UTC)

Ridy:
That's neat - having a youngster that age interested in learning a foreign language. Hope he doesn't get too attached to the translator -- some of them are hilarious!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:40:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
G'nite Paul!
Marilu - you're still in the 1/10 who is safe from me! So far!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:41:32 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Darn! I thought we would make good relatives!
- 205.188.209.40 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:43:19 (UTC)

Ridy:
Well, Paul and I have decided we may as well bypass all the research and declare ourselves to be Honorary Cousins. I think we can fit you into that category quite nicely!
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:45:04 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good! Yes Matt has already figured out that it does not always come out right. But we are still having fun with it. He says the only word he knows for sure and understands is love! I thought that was pretty good too.
- 205.188.209.6 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:47:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
Can't go wrong with that magic word! There are several of those translation programs available, but I have no idea which is the best of the lot.
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:49:59 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have been using alta vista. It is easy to use. well, ridy it looks like every one has deserted us. Is it time to call it a night? I was shopping today and that is had work anymore.
- 205.188.208.169 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:54:28 (UTC)

Ridy:
Time to catch some Zzzzzzs here too. Good night, and it's good to have you back, Marilu.
- 64.229.236.10 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:56:22 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Thanks Ridy good to be here also. Good night
- 205.188.208.39 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 02:57:30 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
Gute nacht Ridy-Marilu-Margaret-was a pleasure talking to you all tonite-I think I was the only male species here tonite. The music men have left my house, but not before they polished off the left overs we brought home from Bell Napoli Restaurant, and including a pound of pasta with the Marinara sauce i made yesterday...I saved my Kahlua tho, because they were all driving home in separate cars....Be talkin' to you....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 04:27:07 (UTC)

Irene:
Hello all. I haven't joined you for a while and I just thought I would say hi. Trix how is the cooking going?
- 66.66.196.194 - Tuesday, August 06, 2002 at 14:00:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Irene. Who has time to cook? Thanks very much for the spice. One of these years. More importantly though, how are the fingers doing? Making progress? Of course, you are.
- 209.240.245.138 - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 00:32:39 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
HI TRIX---GLAD TO SEE YOUR NAME IN PRINT---I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE AWAY---DID YOU NOTICE THAT I MADE THE CHAT ON TIME FOR A CHANGE? hOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU...BEST WISHES, PAUL
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 00:52:55 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Paul, I noticed that you made the Plauderzimmer. Am proud of you. Do it again.
I have been out of commission for a full week. Would you believe that my monitor said: Enough is enough. I am tired and went black. The good news: I have a news 19" monitor now and working beautifully (knocking on wood the entire time I typed that statement). Hope all is well with you and Addie too.
- 209.240.245.138 - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 03:38:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix- Glad you are back & good luck with your new monitor..If anything happened to ours just now I think I would go berserk.....It is always a relaxing time , after a rough day in the office to get on the computor and forget everything for a little while..Anyhow, it is nice to have you back-stay well.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 04:31:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Paul. Actually, you really would not go berserk. You would do just what I did - pause for a few moments, catch my breath and call the experts. Bingo! Done. Absolutely no point worrying about stuff like this. See, it's easy.

Have a wonderful Wednesday, Raining here, nice and easy - just the way I like it. Good day for a nap.
- 209.240.245.131 - Wednesday, August 07, 2002 at 14:49:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
TRix.I have to tell you this-I admire and envy your Phsycological calm..Now if only I could learn to be that way, maybe my erratic heart beat would straighten out! Keep that frame of mind Trix..Stay well and stay happy...Paul
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, August 08, 2002 at 05:01:51 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
A quick question about looking at microfilms. What does a cross symbol stand for when it is under the person's name with a date? Does it mean the person has served in the military?
- 206.172.22.144 - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 04:19:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Sharon. I am not positive but I would think it means that they are deceased. Anybody, what do you think?
Hope all is going well with you.
- 216.251.178.21 - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 13:01:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sharon the cross means they are deceased and if there is a date that would be the death date.
- 152.163.213.62 - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 14:36:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HAPPY WEEKEND EVERYONE
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 19:26:09 (UTC)

Trix:
The same to you Paul and to all others who might be checking in. Hope you are enjoying a great day.
- 209.240.237.134 - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 00:17:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks Trix and Marilu. I was hoping that it didn't mean that because that means the person died so young and there is also a chance that he did not have any heirs. One of the disappointments involved in research.
- 206.172.22.184 - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 06:19:12 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. May not have time to log on tonight. Hope all are well. Getting a little cooler in KC. Bleib gesund.
- 207.193.0.253 - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 15:17:24 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well I do wish everyone A GREAT WEEKEND AND A GREAT PLAUDER ZIMMER EXPERIENCE...HAVE A DINNER APPT FOR 7:00 P.M. WILL NEVER GET BACK IN TIME-PAR FOR THE COURSE-SINCE MY WIFE OFFERED TO TREAT, IT WAS AN OFFER I COULD NOT RFUSE,,HAVE FUN..AND BON PETITE TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 17:31:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Ok, Ok Paul. Enjoy a great evening and a great meal. Darn it anyway, wish I could join you.
HELP EVERYONE: Here is my problem. I have a video, currently being converted from the European system to the American system. I am told it contains beautiful music. Can I somehow transfer the music from the video to a cassette? If yes, HOW IS IT DONE?

To all the smart people out there I say DANKE. Don't be shy, come forward and share but keep it simple, ok?
- 209.240.245.134 - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 23:28:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Sorry to miss you again Margaret. Thank you for sharing such wonderful memories last Sunday. I enjoyed them. Have a wonderful week.
- 209.240.245.134 - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 23:29:33 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Trix ---- received information from Jeanne Locatelli. My surmise was right about the Brockton Stritzels ---- they were related. Will put the information in file and see how things fit in.
- 205.188.197.47 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:07:15 (UTC)

Trix:
That's exciting stuff. I can't help but wonder if there are still Gottscheer offsprings living in that part of the country. Do you think so?
- 209.240.245.134 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:13:04 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello Trix, Jim ~
Have you noticed that the days are getting shorter again? It's actually dark here already, and it seems that just yesterday it was still light out at this time. It's like one of my cousins says. . . . used to be a week had seven days, and now it's down to three!
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:15:26 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend.Wie geht es Alles? Mir geht es gut. Definitely cooler here. Rain today. Hope all had a good week.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:17:24 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: Seems like an age since we emailed. I hope you and yours are well. I for one will be happy to see fall come. This has been a beastly summer in KCMO
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:19:16 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Margaret!
One of these days, my dear friend, we are going to have a German lesson! You're making progress, but. . . . We'll do it as soon as I feel that I'm perfect in English. Glad to hear it's a bit cooler in Kansas City -- can't say the same for her. We're having a tropical heatwave again.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:21:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: I have often thought of taking a German language class, but never seem to have the time. I don't mean just conversation, but real grammar etc. We spoke a kind of "kitchen German" at home. My grandmothers didn't speak much English, so we developed our own German to communicate. Wish I had had some real lessons.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:24:32 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix,and others,--- sorry, I started to look at the information and have a puzzle going on that I need to look at. Some names fit and others don't. Still trying to get it together.
- 205.188.197.47 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:26:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy, Thank you for your updates. Great to hear about the grand and worldwide Hoeglers.

- 205.188.197.47 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:26:57 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Good evening everyone. I hope all had a enjoyable week. Margaret. I just checked out of the library a series of German language tapes that is used by government people to learn a language before going on assignment. I fell it's about time to learn the language that is lost in my family

- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:28:00 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: I'm so proud of my niece, Angela Jonke, and her brother Brendan Jonke. They have had 3 yrs of German and been to Germany as short-term exchange students. They are very proficient in the language.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:28:42 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Jim -`
I was watching the video of Edna's mother making Apfel Strudel again today -- it sure brings back memories! I've made countless Strudels in my time, but it's nice to see somebody else do it. There must be as many versions of it as there are cooks. Wish I had thought to make a video of my mother making it.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:29:52 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Jim: I finally talked to my 3rd cousin John Krauland from upstate NY for the first time this week. We are going to meet at the picnic in Walden NY in September.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:30:10 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
OOPS
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:30:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Watched my oma make strudel many times. Wish I had taken notes. Have a cousin whose son watched his oma make strudel and can make it just like she did. There are still young people who want to keep the traditions alive.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:31:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Dan!
I think your suggestion of tapes is excellent as long as you know they have a high quality content. I found my French records (this goes back a good many years) to be a great help, because I could play the difficult parts over and over again.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:33:07 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Strudel memories: My Tante Leni came to visit us 3 yrs ago. Made us a strudel and hand-carried it all the way from Mahopac. Wouldn't let it out of her sight, even on the plane. There's someone devoted to her strudel.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:34:10 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Margaret - I'm finding that many young people are more interested in keeping the old traditions alive than some of us old fogies! (sp?)
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:34:53 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Margaret - your aunt brought you a gift of love, in the form of a strudel.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:36:09 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, we are getting blasted with heat in NJ. Not enough rain for my veggies. Watering them some but the temperatures are high and the rain is low. Do you have a garden in KC?
- 205.188.197.47 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:36:32 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Hi Ridy: I am going to give these a try. I feel bad that the German died in our family. None of the people in my age in the family speak any at all so you can guess how much my son's & grandchildren know.

- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:36:44 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
What was the tempeture by you Jim? It reached the 90's up here.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:37:43 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ah, strudel. Tastes buds are dressed up but with nowhere to go.
- 205.188.197.47 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:37:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Jim: I have a pumpkin patch in my back yard. Every year I hope for some really good ones for jack o lanterns. Every year I'm disappointed. I get few puny little things that are hardly worthy of the name pumpkin. The rabbits and squirrels ate all of my green beans and tomatoes last year.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:39:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Time to log off. Aug wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 207.193.1.118 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:42:37 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Dan, I think most of us share your regret to some degree. My daughter could not speak English when she started in Kindergarten, and now she hardly speaks a word of German. She understands it, but speaking it is another kettle of fish. My son speaks almost no German, but when he's had to go to Germany on business, he makes a great effort to at least make some comments in German. It wasn't really until they started to travel more that they appreciated being able to speak other languages.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:43:54 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Speaking other languages is not stressed enough here in the US ridy. It's a shame.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:45:24 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
We have the same problem up here, Dan. Even French is no longer required in many places, and we're a bilingual country, for Pete's sake! At least my kids are fluently bilingual, and they are so proud of that when they get to France.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:51:30 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello..Anyone still around. Kids have all left and I am almost done cleaning up the kitchen. It was another hot one today. I am ready for fall and some cool weather.
- 64.12.105.34 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:56:37 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
My 8 year old grandson calles German the MAD language because all he knows of he has seen on the History channel & the WWII speaches. I want him to learn the proper way so we are going to do the tapes together.

- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:57:03 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I agree with you --- I wish I were fluent in both German and Spanish. German because of my heritage and Spanish because of its utility in the US.
- 205.188.197.47 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:57:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello everyone. I made it on.
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:58:17 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Ridy: He will probably pick it up easier than I will.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:59:07 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Ridy: He will probably pick it up easier than I will.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 01:59:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I see we have a lot of people are on tonight
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:00:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Dan - children under 12 pick up languages quickly and almost always manage to speak the new language without accent. We had plenty of opportunity to observe that when we came over from Europe -- no matter how well an older person learned the language, they never lost their accent, whereas us young kids never had an accent. It's not really the important part of learning a new language -- it's just a fact.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:04:22 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Sharon and Marilu!
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:05:04 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Ridy
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:05:25 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I got my 15 year old grandson interested in German this summer, and he is taking it in school this fall. I hope I can learn with him and from him.
- 64.12.105.34 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:05:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Are you going to Kitchener?
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:05:56 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
I know Ridy but I will try anyway. Better late than never.

Jim : you know John Krauland don't you?

- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:08:03 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Are you asking me, Sharon? I haven't been back to Kitchener since my brother-in-law's funeral at the end of June, so I'm definitely due for a visit in the next week or two.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:08:21 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
yes Ridy. The Gottscheer's convention is coming up soon
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:09:08 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Dan - I'm still trying to learn Italian, and I'm a Senior Citizen!
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:09:14 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sharon -- I'm hoping to make it for the Sunday morning Mass, because that's always the most beautiful part of the Treffen. I understand the Cleveland Choir will be singing, and they do a beautiful job. For the rest of it, I think I'll give it a pass.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:10:46 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
that sound wonderful
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:12:05 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Ridy. I am retired on disability after 30 years as a Letter Carrier. After Vietnam & 6 months in a VA hospital I could not face sitting in a college class. I have time now so I am contemplating going to the County College here. I even get a break on the cost because I am a disabled vet.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:13:02 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Isn't it wonderful the way us old folks can now walk into a classroom, and nobody bats and eyelid?! That has certainly changed over the years! Age is no longer a barrier to learning.
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:14:57 (UTC)

Dan Stapel:
Well,Goodnight to everyone. Have a most enjoyable week.
- 64.21.123.86 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:17:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
goodnight Dan
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:17:30 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Gute Nacht, Dan.
May as well get started on your lessons!
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:18:58 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I should get back to the paperwork
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:25:15 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I'll check back in later
- 206.172.22.132 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:27:24 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Oh dear - my 'you've got mail' keeps dinging. Seems like everyone waited until Sunday night to write.
Take care everyone, and enjoy the heat -- we'll be bitching about the cold before you know it!
- 64.229.252.243 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:31:57 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good Night everyone. I have had a long day and bed is not far away!
- 64.12.105.34 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 02:32:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Back to my old tricks-late again.... half past midnite on Long Island--anybody still awake Kahlua-yes, again! will keep me up for awhile...Looks like I missed alively nite tonite,some of the old crowd back tonite..Glad you all hag a nice chat,,Now you all have a good week.......
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 04:46:05 (UTC)

Paul B.:
the word hag was meant to be had......Whew!!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 04:47:37 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
I am writing a letter to Slovenia, and several months ago wrote to an address in Germany, but do not have a postal code for either place. The post office here couldn't help me, and said not to worry, it would get there but would take "longer". Does anyone out there know if there is a place to look up postal codes? Or, do you just send it as is? I'm concerned that "longer" might mean months. I guess that's okay, but I'd like to know what to expect. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
- 12.83.107.249 - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 21:21:36 (UTC)

Paul B,:
Jody, I punched in slovenian zip codes into a Yahoo search and got a bunch of zips, but Icannot read slovenian--what is the state or village or town you are writing to? Tell me and i will try to get it, or try yourself by putting in a Yahoo search engine..
- 24.184.120.186 - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 02:45:19 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
Thank you, Paul! Why didn't I think of using a search engine!? Ridy also responded, and e-mailed me the name of a site to go to (probably the one you got in response to your search), and told me a zip code for one city so I could use that for reference. The postal code was in the first column, by the way, and only 4 digits long: 8350 Dolenjske Toplice. Thank you both!
- 12.83.102.23 - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 14:18:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jody: you're welcome..I am just a neophyte atthis stuff, but Ridy and Trix really know a lot of stuff..Good Luck..
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 21:45:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, THANK YOU. I have had a tough ay and your comments are much appreciated. You know a lot more than you think.
- 216.251.169.39 - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 03:36:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix: I should be thanking you-you always have something nice to say to me, AND I APPRECIATE THAT...Hope you are having a better day today....I also want to thank you again for the Ferdel kren article-don't remember if you got my first thank you.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 18:58:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Another weekend is upon us, so let me wish you all a very pleasant weekend.....
- 24.184.120.186 - Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 03:23:02 (UTC)

FRED FALKNER:
We made SULZE (HEADCHEESE)it is Ausgezeichnet

- 205.188.195.44 - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 13:31:58 (UTC)

Russell:
Excuse me for asking, but what is headcheese?
- 152.163.204.206 - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 17:17:34 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Russell. where have you been? All I know about it is that it is enjoyed by the Gottscheers and others--it is on restaurant menues as an appetizer,, And is in jell form,, My wife Adie who is a Gottscheer can.t tell me how it is made, but I have other sources to get this info--just that they are not home just now..Now Russell you watch and see the receipes come in fast and furious on this Plauderzimmer.
- 24.184.120.186 - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 18:37:28 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Yeah my brother (Walter Kump), who runs Forest Pork Store in Ridgewood, makes head cheese in his shop. Never tried it myself, my tastes are too Americanized. Paul is correct, it is a gelled product with pork. That's all I know. I should get him to log in here.
- 209.114.157.81 - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 23:39:03 (UTC)

Walter:
Hi, I'm Walter, Helmuth's brother....what would you like to know about Headcheese/Suelze?
- 64.12.105.169 - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 23:51:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Walter, please tell us exactly how you make it. That will save me digging for a recipe from one of my Gottscheer cookbooks. We will all appreciate it. My favorite was always in a salad with vinegar and oil dressing. I grew up with it and my parents always made our own.

Walter, THANK YOU from all of us who are anxious to see exactly how it is made by the experts.
- 216.251.178.44 - Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 23:59:29 (UTC)

Walter:
Trix, Headcheese and suelze are similar, but suelze usually contains diced pickles and more vinegar. Suelze is usually put in a lettuce salad with oil and vinegar dressing, like you remember. Originally both were made using any meat or skin from the head of a pig. The meat (snout, tongue, cheek meat, etc.) was cooked until tender, diced, mixed with other ingredients then chilled. The liquid in which it was cooked usually would gel to hold the pieces together. Now we use dried gelatin and mix it with the cooked meat, etc. Other ingredients (salt, pepper, pickles, vinegar, etc.) are usually added to taste. It should be tasted before the liquid gels.
- 64.12.105.169 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 00:25:05 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Trix. If its not too much trouble I would like a copy of that recipe from one of the Gottscheer cookbooks. My Dad likes headcheese.
- 206.172.22.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 00:27:45 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hi to all. Hope you each had a super week. Anybody on yetg?
- 216.61.122.246 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:08:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Walter. DANKE!!! Just the way I remember it. As you and I both know the Gottscheers did not throw anything away. And I remember parts of the head, like the Schnautze etc being used just the way you describe it. Yes, indeed you are a true Gottscheer. I am sorry you are so far away. I would definitely enjoy shopping in your meat market. Darn it anyway.

Sharon, unless you are looking at measured ingredients this recipe is as good as it gets.

- 216.251.178.22 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:09:24 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: They used every part of the pig, except the oink. Remember my mother and oma making headcheese. They left it outdoors over night in winter to make it gel. Would love to taste some again.
- 216.61.122.246 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:11:59 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I went into the pumpkin patch this afternoon, and it looks like I will get only 2 pumpkins this year. Not a very good year to grow them
- 206.172.22.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:19:00 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sharon: I know how you feel. I got NO pumpkins last year. Something to do with pollination. Hoping for at least 1 this year. My friend is a master gardner. She told me to hand pollinate the organge flowers. No interested.
- 216.61.122.246 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:21:09 (UTC)

Trix:
You said it right Margaret. It's exactly the way it was (and probably still is) with the Gottscheers. You don't throw anything away. Have to admit - I think the younger generation has a problem with that.

You have so many wonderful memories from your Oma. I love hearing them. Keep them coming.

Anybody been following Martin Strel, the Slovenian marathon swimmer? He is doing well. He is going to make it too. Remember his site: www.martinstretl.com. Click on news, events and photos. Very interesting updates every day.

- 216.251.178.22 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:22:20 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I do my own pollunating. They would start out fine but a few days later they start to turn black and rot.
- 206.172.22.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:22:29 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Last year I had about 14 assorted pumpkins. Mostly Baby Bear pumpkins
- 206.172.22.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:23:34 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hate to log off, but duty calls in the form of dishes and laundry. Auf wiedersehen.
- 216.61.122.246 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:25:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
goodnight Margaret

- 206.172.22.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:26:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hallo..anyone still around?
- 152.163.207.66 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:41:31 (UTC)

Franz schmuck:
yes some of as out west are still here Sophia i want to say thank you for the seeds it is just wonderful I hope you will share it with all your sunday friends. yes sults und hiren I could never stand them . I can still remember as a boy how those pigs screemed on some frosty Winter morning when all the neighbour men came to help first thing they did was to have a good big shot of shnaps then it all began.
- 66.119.174.162 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 01:56:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Franz, I agree. I can still see and hear that too. I was very young then but remember it. Also remember the same thing while living at Baumgartners in K�rnten. One year I had to catch the blood and keep stirring it. After that, never again.

The one thing that I miss is Kreiplein. I must do that this fall. Buy a nice chunk of pork from a farmer and make a bunch of them. Love to eat them in Sauerkraut (Gottscheer style, of course,) mashed potatoes and eine gute Blutwurst.

What do you think about all that Herr Schmuck? How is the weather in Vancouver.

I loved the Seeds too. Glad you enjoyed it. Your sister back from Europe yet?
- 216.251.178.22 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 02:09:56 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
just wanted to say that I enjoyed ready the descriptions about headcheese and, Trix, the pork store is a landmark. I used to get my haircut (when I had some as a child)right across the street. The barbershop is still there.
- 64.12.104.184 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 02:27:49 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
was up in Hawley again this weekend and ate at the Alpine House in Honesdale. My wife loves the sauerbraten. It tastes good but I don't think they marinate as long as they did in the past. I had jaegerschnitzel with spaetzle, applesauce, and red cabbage.
- 64.12.104.184 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 02:29:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Well everyone, I hope you have a good week. Take care.
- 64.12.104.184 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 02:29:59 (UTC)

:
Yes Sophia some of those thigs are better not to remember or out of sight out mind I can not imagin now how anyone could do what they had to do and you poor thing how did they ever talk you in to doing that watchig as a kid you can not look away it was gros. and what is this with the Herr bit. No My Sister is not back yet I dont think they went to Gottschee.Yes the Kreiplein wre good but they had to be donne just right Quite crispy. The weather is just great in the mid 20s sun fro morning to night good swimming pool weater. o k . i am heading outside to pick some strawberries fo tomrrow be back in a while.
- 66.119.174.149 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 02:37:12 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
Hi everyone-are any of you still up and around? Wow. you sure stirred up some memories again. Kreiplein, oh yeah, that is a memory jogger allright. My sister-in-law Emma Jaklitsch Kren made it many times-I remember it well And Helmuth, you struck a Chord when you mentioned Forest Pork Store in Ridgewood..I wonder if there is anyone old enough there to remember Jaklitsch-Kren-Rabuse-Staudakur-Sterbenz=Maichin, I could go on and on. You Know the song Thanks for the memories, Well here is mine-Thanks for the memories, the days we took a walk and wound up at the store to pick us up some pork, thank you so much,,The times we rode the Myrtle trolley,and every thing was so jolly, thank you so much. I cannot rermember all, but I really do recall CChristmas in December, Gelopters toy store, and many many more--THANK YOU SOOO MUCH
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 03:02:37 (UTC)

Trix:
Great sharing. Thanks everyone. Time to call it a night and wish all a wonderful week.

Herr Schmuck: Are you going to the Gottscheer Treffen in Kitchener? It will be good time for everyone. They do a wonderful job.
- 216.251.178.22 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 03:29:37 (UTC)

Helmuth:
See, my kid brother Walt is good for something :-) Paul and everyone, yes it's amazing when I go back to the old neighborhood, so much has changed yet so much is still the same. Walt's customers at FPS are fewer Gottscheers and more Russians and other nationalities. Paul, I used to ride the El train to school every day, from Fresh Pond to Metropolitan to attend Christ the King, which is still there. Walter and my other brother Bob will also remember we used to ride the El to Manhattan and then up to Yankee Stadium to see the day games during summer. Carrying a glove for foul balls that we bought at Gelopter's (I still have that glove, my son uses it now.) Hope MLB can work out its many problems. Boy what a digression that was.
- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 11:33:45 (UTC)

Helmuth:
By the way Walt, if you read this, Patty loved that striped bass we caught off Freeport. The boys also enjoy those Forest Pork Store Krainerwurst, as always!
- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 14:11:59 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sorry I missed the PZ last evening. It's so nice to see the 'Kump boys' finally joining in the chat on Helmuth's own web site! You're making me wish I could hop on a plane and just shop up and down Myrtle Avenue -- but, of course, it wouldn't be nearly as much fun without my Onkel Ludwig (married to Emily Kump, a very favorite aunt of mine and yours) to take me to all the bars along the way and introduce me to all his favorite bartenders and shopkeepers. Best of all, if I bought what he liked, he paid the bill! Can't remember ever spending any of my own money down there. Right about now, I think I'd sell my soul for a good, authentic Krainerwurst! :) (just kidding up there, OK?!)
- 64.229.237.35 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 16:06:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: iF YOU BOUGHT THAT GLOVE FROM A KID, THAT WAS ME..i WORKED EVERY NITE-PART TIME FOR GELOPTER FOR THE CHRISTMAS SEASON..GREAT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR. ILEARNED A GOOD LESSON THERE ABOUT BUSINESS AND AND RELATIVES BEING MIXED TOGETHER. THE OLD MAN AND HIS SON MARTY FOUGHT LIKE DOGS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT THE BUSINESS, BUT THAT WAS BUSINESS, WHEN THE ARGUMENT WAS OVER, IT WAS REALLY OVER-NO GRUDGES AND PAPA GELOPTER WOULD GO TO MARQUARTS AND COME BACK WITH TO BIG CONTAINERS OF WHATEVER HIS SON WANTED IN ALCOHOLIC DRINK, AND A BIG SODA FOR ME...WITH MY DEAR OLD FATHER HIS WORD AND OPINION WAS LAW AND THERE WERE NO ARGUMENTS/AND OR DRINKS! i WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER GELOPTER FOR THAT, AND I PRACTICED THAT WHEN MY KIDS HELPED ME IN MY BUSINESSES...THANK YOU LOU AND MARTY WHEREVER YOU ARE....
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 18:37:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
BY THE WAY..WHO CAN NAME ALL THE BARS ON MYRTLE AVE-STARTING WITH THE TRAIN STAION ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THE END OF GLENDALE..THERE WILL BE NO PRIZE, BUT IT COULD PROVE TO BE FUN-AND I FOR ONE COULD USE EVERY MEMORY JOGGER I CAN GET!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 18:42:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: If you remember the apartment house directly behind the fresh pond station-I lived in that bldgfrom the time I was married at the ripe old age of 18 and then moved out to the Island to Nassau 10 years later..The rent was $37 a month!!! Four flights up and we loved it-it was "Our Place." I think if I got a five dollar bill everytime I stood on that Frsh Pond Station, I could buy the Empire State Bldg....Well, almost.....Remeber Paul Vatsos diner at the bottom of the station next to the newstand? I gave him my Kitchenette apt when I moved to the BIG TIME Bedroom=Living Room and Kitchen apt..Hey I was a big shot!
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 19:24:40 (UTC)

Walter:
Hello to all. Helmuth, glad to hear that Patty loved the fish and the boys liked the Krainerwurst. Have you recovered from your seasickness yet? lol. The old stories of Ridgewood bring back memories, but the neighborhood has changed! Paul, if you truly want a list of the bars on Myrtle Ave, I could get it for you.
- 152.163.204.67 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 20:55:41 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, I remember that apartment, and the newsstand and diner. Now I'll go you one better. Just down Fresh Pond a couple of store fronts was Green Tele-Radio. That was my first job, as a stock clerk there. It was not a retail store, it catered to the TV wholesalers and repairmen with replacement picture tubes and parts. The picture tubes came in huge RCA boxes, that I had to stack 4-high in the back...what a job. I loved it. Sorry I can't help with the bars, I was only 16 when we left NY.

Ridy, your uncle Ludwig and aunt Millie were always wonderful. Millie never had a cross word for anyone. Uncle Ludwig seemed to be an inexhaustible source of knowledge. He knew something about EVERYTHING and impressed me as a real Renaissance man.
- 209.114.157.184 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 21:09:18 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Walt: Man I'm still wretching. Next time, Dramamine for sure.
- 209.114.157.184 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 21:10:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Walt: Thank You,but not really..Just curious to see what response I would get. Idid go into a couple of them, but I was not a bar drinker-my Gottssheer family did drink a lot, but always at home -always a good time-never an argument just drink and singing....One bar that I did drink a couple was across the street from funeral parlor on Myrtle when my father-in-law passed away.It was on the same side of the street as Stamm Tisch Restaurant...Helmuth: I think I remember the place you worked--but I kind of remember getting a radio fixed there, justn passed the TV store above the Billiard Parlor on Fresh Pond Rd.....Thanks for the memories....Was up around that way a couple of weeks ago-wound up at nedersteins restaurant......
- 24.184.120.186 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 21:30:57 (UTC)

Walter:
Ridy, Just got off the phone with my Mom, Marie and she was wondering if you'll be at the Gottscheer Treffen in Kitchener? She'll be taking the bus, from the Gottscheer Clubhouse, in Ridgewood, and would love to get together with you for a chat.
- 64.12.102.39 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 23:40:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Walter!
My sister, Hilde, who lives in Kitchener, will be at the Treffen, as will my sister-in-law, Marianne. I may try to get there for the Mass on Sunday morning, but it's an 1� hr drive from where I live in Toronto, and since Mass starts at 9:00 o'clock, it may not be possible for me to drag my husband out to chaffeur me that early in the day! I have not planned to attend any of the other functions. Is your mother one of the 'girls' who used to come and visit us in Kitchener back in the mid-to-late 1950s?
- 64.229.237.35 - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 23:50:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Help!! What is the name of the traditional clothing that Gottscheer wore for celebration? For Men and Women
- 206.172.22.109 - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 04:43:29 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sharon -
I've never heard it referred to as anything other than 'Tracht' which is simply the German word for any national costume. This topic of a Gottscheer Tracht has interested me because I was totally unaware of it until years after I came to Canada, when it started to surface at the Gottscheer Treffen. I've studied old photos of Gottscheers, and can't detect anyone wearing it until you get to the late 1920s early 1930s when it was worn for the 600-Jahre-Feier or a Trachtenfest. It was quickly followed by a more modern Tracht, which was simply a dirndl dress, fashioned after the Austrian Mode Dirndl - a fashion dirndl as opposed to their own regional Tracht Dirndl - and it was worn with an embroidered shoulder scarf. Obviously there was a history to the specific Gottscheer Tracht because men who went to other countries as peddlars - Hausierer - sometimes wore it to identify themselves as Gottscheers. The wearing of the costumes was by no means widespread, however. Part of the reason for that was, no doubt, the fact that most Gottscheers would not have been able to afford it, except in the city. Nobody in my mother's or my father's family ever owned one of these costumes in Gottschee, although by Gottscheer standards, they were not poor.
I wait to be corrected!
- 64.229.237.35 - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 12:56:13 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi, The following is what I remember from a conversation with my aunt when I was a child. Take it for what it is worth.
Around the time of the Anschluss (when greater Austria was annexed to Germany) a teacher of German culture was sent to Gottschee. It was around this time that the Tracht changed to the dirndel. The Gottscheer Tracht was greatly influenced by the Sovenin neighbors and therefore not acceptable for the German Gottscheers to wear. This "culture" teacher was also responsible for teaching and promoting German folk songs, folk tales, etc. Does anyone have personal information if this information is correct?
- 66.66.196.194 - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 19:51:02 (UTC)

Ridy:
Irene -
This is becoming very interesting. After I read your posting I finally went to my books written by Hugo Grothe and Adolf Haufen to see what they had to say about the Gottscheer Tracht. Adolf Haufen wrote his book "Die Deutsche Sprachinsel Gottschee" in 1895, and Hugo Grothe followed with his "Die Deutsche Sprachinsel Gottschee in Slowenien" ini l931. Both of them trace the Gottscheer costume back many centuries, and quote Valvasor's description back in the 17th century. Grothe finds similarities with the Turkish Uskoken dress back in 1450 and also cites similarities with the Cossack style of dress, as well as that of their Slovenian and Croatian neighbors.
I had not really given it much thought before.
The dirndl is really a more generic style of dress, found in slightly differing versions in many other European countries. Possibly that is exactly why it was chosen.
And all Sharon wanted to know was the name of the traditional clothing of Gottscheers!

- 64.229.237.190 - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 22:37:56 (UTC)

Russell:
I got into this room tonight just in time to find out what Headcheese is. Based on what I read, I can understand why my father didn't like it. When I think of it, I'm not too crazy about it now. But it was something that at the time I thought it was something different and unusual for lunch. I'll just chalk it up as an aquired taste that I don't have.
Thanks for the answers!
- 209.240.222.32 - Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 22:56:39 (UTC)

Walter:
Ridy, No I don't think my Mom was one of the 'girls' who visited you in the mid to late 50's because she was busy raising a family. Let me know if you can make it to mass, if you can, my Mom could bring you some Krainerwurst.
- 205.188.195.58 - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:00:09 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy and Irene: Thanks for the great lesson regarding the Gottscheer Tracht and the Dirdnl. I love them both and I learned a lot from reading your messages. Danke.
Irene: How goes the project?
- 209.240.245.150 - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:10:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
Walter -
You've got me smiling from ear to ear at the mere thought of Krainerwurst! I don't know if she'd be able to sneak it across the border -- they've got laws against that!
Helmuth set me straight on who visited -- it was your father's sisters. . . . I sent him the photo I have of them which was taken in our backyard. My e-mail is ridy@sympatico.ca, and if you send me a message I'll send the photo to you by e-mail. I had it in my mind that Pauli was your mother -- a senior moment, as they say!
- 64.229.232.221 - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:15:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
There you go Ridy,Walter is giving you an incentive that is worth getting up early for,,,Best regards/////
- 24.184.120.186 - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 00:16:41 (UTC)

Fred F.:
Hi Sulze is easy to make, all you have to do is boil fresh not smoked Pigs knuckle until the flesh falls of the bones. And the broth bekoms very gelatinus. You can cut the meat and skin into smaller peaces, if you wnt to make it fancy slice carrot pikles or an egg into it salt and pepper. Put into frige it is very cooling to eat. I cut some onions and a bit of vinegar great eating.
I have a question the Kreiplei are thy not rendere bacon cutt into small peaces?

- 152.163.195.193 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 02:25:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Great recipe Fred. Thank you. Easy to make too.
I would say the difference between bacon and Kraiplein is that bacon is smoked where Kraiplein are made from fresh pork. Anybody? Feel free to add or correct.
- 209.240.237.130 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 03:27:13 (UTC)

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Liebe Freunden,

ich m�chte mich zun�chst vorstellen. Mein Name ist Massimiliano Lacota. Ich bin 30 Jahre alt, verheiratet und habe eine zweij�hrige Tochter. Ich bin in Triest geboren, wo ich lebe und als Leitender Angestellter in einer Speditionsfirma arbeite. Zu meinen Hobbys z�hlt das gro�e Interesse f�r die Geschichte, wobei ich mich besonders mit den Ereignissen der zwei Weltkriege und den dramatischen Folgen dieser Konflikte f�r Tausende von Europ�ern besch�ftige. In diesem breiten Themenfeld konzentriert sich meine T�tigkeit vor allem auf die Unione degli Istriani in Triest, eine der gr��ten Vereinigungen der italienischen Aussiedler aus Istrien, d.h. jener Menschen, die nach Ende des zweiten Weltkrieges ihre Heimat Istrien verlassen mussten, die alle Rechte verloren und deren Grundbesitz nach der Besetzung des Gebietes durch Jugoslawien konfisziert und verstaatlicht wurde. Diese Vereinigung, der ich seit vielen Jahren (als Nachkomme von Vertriebenen aus Istrien) angeh�re, bem�ht sich um den Erhalt der Traditionen, aber vor allem auch der Geschichte des italienischen Istriens. Durch die Beteiligung der Vertreter aller Familien (so hei�en die vielen kleinen Vereine, die alle von italienischen Aussiedlern aus verschiedenen St�dten Istriens gegr�ndet wurden und die unter dem Dach der Unione degli Istriani vereint sind) an den allj�hrlich durchgef�hrten Veranstaltungs- und T�tigkeitsprogrammen versucht sie, die Grundz�ge dieser gro�en venetischen Kultur am Leben zu erhalten.
Aus der Unione degli Istriani ist 1999 die Jugendgruppe hervorgegangen, deren aktueller Vorsitzender und Koordinator ich bin. Diese Gruppe von "Istriern" der zweiten Generation - Kinder und vor a
- 151.25.99.62 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 06:08:27 (UTC)

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....Kinder und vor allem Enkel der aus Istrien Vertriebenen - wurde gegr�ndet, um den Zusammenhalt in der jungen Generation zu st�rken und ein Forum f�r den liberalen und spontanen Meinungsaustausch zu schaffen, der im Kreise �lterer Menschen, die eine gefestigte Meinung haben und sich neuen Ideen nur schwer �ffnen, sonst nicht m�glich w�re. Nachdem die Arbeit am Anfang eher schleppend lief, finden die Programme der Jugendgruppe inzwischen gro�en Anklang in der Bev�lkerung und werden auch durch bedeutende Anerkennungen gew�rdigt (zuletzt erst vor wenigen Monaten nach einer Fotoausstellung �ber die gro�en italienischen Familien aus Istrien und �ber die namhaftesten historischen Residenzen).
Ich wende mich an Ihre Vereinigung im Zusammenhang mit einer wichtigen Initiative, n�mlich der Durchf�hrung einer internationalen Tagung �ber das Problem der Vertreibungen in Europa w�hrend und nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg anhand von drei emblematischen Beispielen: die Vertreibung der Italiener aus Istrien, Fiume und Dalmatien, die Vertreibung der Deutschen aus dem Sudetenland und schlie�lich die - weniger bekannte - Vertreibung der deutschsprachigen Bev�lkerung aus Gottschee/Kocevje. Ziel ist die Schaffung einer internationalen Plattform, damit junge Europ�er, Kinder und Enkel der Vertriebenen, sich aus heutiger Sicht mit dem Thema auseinander setzen k�nnen, durch die historische Analyse der Ereignisse und der Ursachen dieser Massenvertreibungen und vor allem durch die Suche nach gemeinsamen L�sungsans�tzen. Das umfangreiche Tagungsprogramm sieht Beitr�ge von Wissenschaftlern �ber die historischen Hintergr�nde sowie die Teilnahme von Vertretern der deutschen, �sterreichischen und ita
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III teile

Betrifft: Internationale Tagung "DIE VERTREIBUNGEN IN EUROPA NACH DEM KRIEG: PERSPEKTIVEN UND ERWARTUNGEN IN DER AUSEINANDERSETZUNG JUNGER MENSCHEN DER ZWEITEN GENERATION"

....italienischen Regierung und der Europ�ischen Union vor. Im Rahmen des Treffens findet auch eine Debatte statt mit Beitr�gen von Vertretern der Verb�nde der Sudetendeutschen, des amerikanischen Verbands der Gottscheer, der �sterreichischen Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Gottscheer Landmannschaften sowie der Unione degli Istriani in Triest mit unserer Jugendgruppe. Dar�ber hinaus ist auch die Teilnahme der AWR (internationale Gesellschaft f�r Fl�chtlingsfragen) geplant.
Angesichts dieser breiten Beteiligung muss zwingend darauf hingewiesen werden, dass es ganz und gar nicht unser Anliegen ist, dieses Treffen zum Gegenstand politischer Instrumentalisierungen zu machen und in einen gef�hrlichen Bumerang zu verwandeln. Ich m�chte hinzuf�gen, dass die Jugendgruppe, der ich vorstehe, keine politischen Verbindungen hat und auf diesem Neutralit�tsprinzip und - wenn wir so wollen - Desinteresse an derartigen Verbindungen beruhen alle unsere Initiativen und Aktivit�ten: eine echte "Gruppe" von jungen Menschen, die sich f�r die Geschichte, die Kultur und die Traditionen Istriens interessieren, die das gro�e kulturelle Erbe der Heimat ihrer V�ter und Gro�v�ter bewahren und weitergeben m�chten.
Die Tagung, deren Programm beiliegt, endet nach der Debatte mit der Unterzeichnung einer gemeinsamen Erkl�rung und eines Dokuments, in dem die gemeinsamen Forderungen und Erwartungen hinsichtlich der L�sung der wichtigsten Probleme im Zusammenhang mit der nationalen und internationalen Anerkennung dieser Trag�dien festgelegt werden und das als Grundlage f�r die gegenseitige Zusammenarbeit und Kooperation unserer Vereinigungen dienen soll, um die kulturelle und historische Identit�t der vertri
- 151.25.88.183 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 06:18:05 (UTC)

Massimiliano Lacota:
IV teile

Betrifft: Internationale Tagung "DIE VERTREIBUNGEN IN EUROPA NACH DEM KRIEG: PERSPEKTIVEN UND ERWARTUNGEN IN DER AUSEINANDERSETZUNG JUNGER MENSCHEN DER ZWEITEN GENERATION"

....der vertriebenen V�lker in angemessener Weise zu wahren. Dieses Schreiben ist deshalb eine Einladung. Die Tagung findet am Samstag, den 30. November 2002 um 8.30 Uhr in der Sprachschule Scuola Superiore di Lingue Moderne, Via Fabio Filzi 14 - Triest statt. Die Fahrtkosten vom Triester Flughafen in die Stadt bzw. vom Bahnhof zum Hotel werden selbstverst�ndlich von uns �bernommen, ebenso wie die Hotelkosten (�bernachtung vom 29. auf den 30.11.2002 und vom 30.11. auf den 01.12.2002).
Wir hoffen sehr, dass Sie unsere Einladung annehmen und zu der Tagung kommen werden. Bitte schicken Sie uns m�glichst bis 10. September 2002 die Name der Teilnehmer an die unten stehenden Adressen.
F�r weitere Fragen und Ausk�nfte geben wir Ihnen gerne unsere Telefonnummern bekannt und verbleiben

mit freundlichen Gr��e

DER KOORDINATOR
Massimiliano Lacota e-mail : lacota@ctptrieste.it
e-mail : info@unioneistriani
www.unioneistriani.it

- 151.25.99.222 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 06:23:07 (UTC)

Russell:
Can someoe translate the last 4 entries?
- 209.240.222.131 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 12:55:57 (UTC)

Ridy:
Russell -

http://world.altavista.com/tr

The above website has a translation program which can be helpful in this case.
What I find easiest is to highlight and copy the four entries below, and paste them onto a plain document. That isolates it from the other postings. My next step would be to then highlight and copy the complete posting, and paste it into the area for translation on the above website asking for a German to English translation. You will get a pretty good rendering of the original.
- 64.229.237.117 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 13:40:05 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Russell or whoever translates this first: Please email me the results if possible (hwk@KT3L.com). I can provide a separate link for all to view it.
- 204.180.133.234 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 16:03:00 (UTC)

Trix:
Helmuth: Alta Vista Translation service has completed the translation of the 4 separate postings from the man in Italy. I have them in one document, section by section. Would you like for me to post the document here or? Keep it simple, ok? I am not an expert when it comes to anything new on the computer. Drop me a note at wyants@mlecmn.net. DANKE.
- 209.240.245.103 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 20:51:15 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Trix: Sure, post it here if you are comfortable doing that! A cut n paste into the message window should do it. Let me know if you have any problem.
- 209.114.157.243 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:18:53 (UTC)

Irene:
This translation is through Altavista

IV divide Concerns: International conference "the DRIVING out IN EUROPE AFTER the WAR: PERSPECTIVES AND EXPECTATIONS IN THE ARGUMENT OF YOUNG HUMANS OF THE SECOND GENERATION " to protect....der refugees of peoples in appropriate way. This letter is therefore an invitation. The conference takes place on Saturday, 30 November 2002 at 8.30 o'clock in the language school Scuola Superiore di Lingue modern trend, via Fabio Filzi 14 - Triest. The travel costses of the tri ester airport into the city and/or from the station to the hotel are taken over naturally by us, just as the hotel costs (overnight accomodation of 29. on the 30,11,2002 and of 30.11. on the 01,12,2002). We hope much that you will come our invitation to assume and to the conference. Please you send if possible until 10 September 2002 the name of the participants to the addresses standing down to us. For further questions and information we communicate gladly our telephone numbers to you and remain with friendly greetings The CO-ordinator Massimiliano Lacota email: lacota@ctptrieste.it email: info@unioneistriani www.unioneistriani.it - 151,25,99,222 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 RKS 06:23:07 (UTC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Massimiliano Lacota: III divide Concerns: International conference "the DRIVING out IN EUROPE AFTER the WAR: PERSPECTIVES AND EXPECTATIONS IN THE ARGUMENT OF YOUNG HUMANS OF THE SECOND GENERATION " ....italienischen government and the European union forwards. In the context of the meeting also a debate finds Istriani in Triest with our group of young people to the Austrian working group of the Gottscheer land crews as well as the Unione instead of with contributions of representatives of the federations of the Sudeten Germans, the American federation of the Gottscheer, degli. Beyond that also the participation of the AWR (internati
- 66.66.196.194 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:47:46 (UTC)

Irene:
altavista translation

Concerns: International conference "the DRIVING out IN EUROPE AFTER the WAR: PERSPECTIVES AND EXPECTATIONS IN THE ARGUMENT OF YOUNG HUMANS OF THE SECOND GENERATION " ....Kinder and above all grandchildren from Istrien of the refugees - was created, in order to strengthen and a forum for the liberal and spontaneous exchange of views create the co-operation in the recent generation, in circles of older humans, who have a strengthened opinion and new ideas to open only difficultly, would be themselves otherwise not possible. After the work on the beginning ran rather sluggishly, the programs of the group of young people find in the meantime to large resemblance in the population and also by important acknowledgments are appreciated (last only few months ago after a photo exhibition over the large Italian families from Istrien and over the namhaftesten historical residences). I turn to your combination in connection with an important initiative, i.e. the execution of an international conference over the problem of the driving out in Europe during and after the Second World War on the basis three emblematischen examples: driving the Italians out from Istrien, Fiume and Dalmatien, driving the Germans out from the Sudetenland and finally - admitted less - driving the German-speaking population out from Gottschee/Kocevje. A goal is the creation of an international platform, so that young Europeans, Kinder and Enkel of the refugees, from today's view with the topic can set themselves apart, by the historical analysis of the events and the causes of these mass driving and particularly by the search for common solutions. As well as the extensive conference program sees contributions of scientists over the historical background the participation of representatives of the Germans, Austrian and ita - 151,25,99,62 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 RKS 06:12:25 (UTC)
- 66.66.196.194 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:50:32 (UTC)

Irene:
altavista translation first part

Concerns: International conference "the DRIVING out IN EUROPE AFTER the WAR: PERSPECTIVES AND EXPECTATIONS IN THE ARGUMENT OF YOUNG HUMANS OF THE SECOND GENERATION " Love friends, I would like to introduce myself first. My name is Massimiliano Lacota. I am 30 years old, married and have a two-year daughter. I am born in Triest, where I live and work as leading employees in a forwarding business company. Among my hobbies the large interest in history ranks, whereby I particularly concern myself with the events of the two world wars and the dramatic consequences of these conflicts for thousands of Europeans. In this broad topic field my activity concentrates particularly on the Unione degli Istriani in Triest, one of the largest combinations of the Italian evacuees from Istrien, i.e. those humans, who had to leave its homeland Istrien, which all rights after end of the Second World War lost and whose landed property was konfisziert and put under state control after the occupation of the area by Yugoslavia. This combination, to which I belong for many years (when descendant of refugees from Istrien), strives for the receipt of the traditions, but above all also the history of the Italian Istriens. By the participation of the representatives of all families (are called in such a way the many small associations, which were created all of Italian evacuees from different cities Istriens and which are united under the roof of the Unione degli Istriani) the annually accomplished meeting and activity programs it tries to receive the fundamentals of this large venetischen culture alive. From the Unione degli Istriani 1999 the group of young people followed, whose current chairmen and co-ordinator is I. This group of "Istriern" of the second generation - children and before A - 151,25,99,62 - Thursday, August 22, 2002 RKS 06:08:27 (UTC)

Concerns: Inter