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Helmuth:
Hope all you Moms had a great Mother's day. I'm just rolling the Plauderzimmer logs again.

Do we have any hockey fans here? Go Ottawa! (my second favorite team after the Penguins)
- 209.114.157.27 - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 02:15:15 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Paul B., yes, I remember the Jacklitsch family, Father and son Kren. The son played on the Blau Weiss Gottschee soccer team. The Rabuse family that I remember lived next to us in Nesseltal and the Staudachers as I recall were my parents friends. I knew probably 70 to 80 percent of the Gottscheers that came to the Kluhouse, but new only half by their legal names. Many I only knew by theire house name in Gottschee. Looking forward to going to the Gottscheer picnic on June 1. Be nice to meet there. Anyone wants to meet, lets pick a time and spot. Let me know.
- 67.27.163.83 - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 03:35:24 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Saturday evening from beautiful Waukenabo. I hope you are all doing well. Spring is finally here and it feels wonderful. Look forward to visiting with you tomorrow evening. Smile and think positive thoughts.
- 209.240.245.111 - Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 01:23:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Trix-A Happy Sunday to you...It is 5:06 P.M. in N.Y., and I have been working since early this morning-I am pooped-Adie is TREATING at Bella Napoli tonite, so I will miss the PZ tonite-again- Sooo have a great chat and I will be doing the review about 11:00 or Midnite!
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 21:12:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello Werner-So you do know my Gottscheer family-I was sure you would recognize the names for we all spent many hours at the KlubHaus..Do you know the young musician "Bud" who played there? He was very young at that time, and he married Kurt Schlitenharts' daughter.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 21:18:43 (UTC)

Helen Meisl:
Does anyone know the date, time and location of the Gottscheer Picnic in New York? Danke
- 68.9.150.217 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 01:10:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Anyone on tonight? Heading for very cool weather in KCMO next week. At least, it won't bring tornadoes.
- 171.75.224.37 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 01:11:37 (UTC)

Russell:
I'm here. No work tonight and I spent the early evening having dinner out I'm stuffed.
- 205.188.209.109 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 01:42:22 (UTC)

Russell:
Must be aquiet night. No one on.
- 205.188.209.40 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 02:36:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I guess everyone was pre-0ccupied tonite---Just got back from dinner--it always winds up the same when you know the owners-we closed up the joint again......I hope everyone is well--Have a great week....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 03:32:29 (UTC)

friedl:
the GOTTSCHEER PICNIC is June i
- 68.161.117.72 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 11:14:02 (UTC)

Russell:
Anybody know of any Eisenzopfs, Eisenzoffs or any of the variations that used to live in the Corona or surrounding section of Queens County, NYC area? The period would have been roughly 1900-1960.
The family of Joseph, Otto, James, John, William, Eda and a half brother Jasper.
- 64.12.96.74 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 11:24:47 (UTC)

FRIEDL:
THE PICNIC IS JUNE 1ST AT PLATTDUETCHPARK IN FRANKLINSQUARE. LONG ISLAND.
- 68.161.121.157 - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 23:30:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Russell-How are you? Just wanted to say that I knew The Otto Family in Glendale, Queens...Maybe they are related..Father and son were Policemen=son Walter was a Wize potatoe franchise owner operator..Had a daughter named Mildred-they lived on 64th Lane off Cooper ave, where I met my Gottscheer wife and we had a storer on the corner there.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 04:59:16 (UTC)

Russell:
Otto or Eisenzopf family?
- 209.240.198.62 - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 09:22:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry Russell..I misinterpreted your message..I was talking aBOUT A fAMILY WHOSE SURNAME WAS OTTO! Another senior moment i guess=tough getting old.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 23:02:08 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Hi Paul B. - Can't place the name "Bud". There were a number of very young musicians that I remember ( not necessarialy by name). What year or years would he have been playing?
- 206.216.48.81 - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 02:49:03 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Werner-I am going to find out tomorrow when we are out celebrating my wifes birthday and also find out who is going to the picnic on the 1st of June. Ihave one of Bud's tapes, but I seem to have either misplaced it or loaned it out to someone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 23:38:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Just want you to know-I notice my one posting came on four times--I swear i did not have that much Kaluah that nite-and it only showed up four times today-yesterday it was OK...???
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 00:08:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Oh, sure Paul, who are you kidding. What you did is a direct result of too much Kaluah, you know. Just kidding!!!
- 209.240.245.130 - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 02:17:19 (UTC)

me:
is it you?
- 162.83.212.173 - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 02:59:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix-I'm afraid those days are gone forever-But I will confess that I did have my days, and a lotof Great Gotscheers(friends & family) joined in wiyh me---or maybe it was that I joined in with them? Anyway it was great times..I could write a book-aBIIIIIIG BOOK!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 03:13:25 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
GOODEVENING EVERYONE!
IS ANYONE ONLINE SATURDAY, MAY 24 at 19:28 HOURS?
I HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYS THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND AND REALIZES WHY THIS IS A HOLIDAY AND THE REASON WHY WE CELEBRATE IT.
FLY THE FLAG OF YOUR COUNTRY.
- 205.188.208.172 - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 23:29:53 (UTC)

Herb Hutter:
Hi Frank!
My Flag has been flying almost since Sept.11 2001.
Gottscheers who came to America after WW2 appreciate this Land of oportunity and Freedom more than our children who benefited from beeing born in this Great Land.
May God continue to Bless America.
Phiat ei Goett, alle miteionder,
Lueckish Herbert,von Schealein.(North Olmsted Ohio) ;)
- 209.81.205.221 - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 02:11:14 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Have a safe and happy weekend everyone. And yes, let's all remember what this hoiliday is about....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 04:35:34 (UTC)

Gerhard:
Hi Herb Hutter!
Meine Urgroßmutter war eie geborene Maria Hutter.
Sie war mit Johann Samide verheiratet und in Schalkendorf Gottschee daheim. Einige Ihrer Kinder sind nach Amerika Ohio ausgewandert.
Liebe grüße aus Österreich
Gerhard

- 62.218.153.67 - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 11:33:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Werner-The musician Bud was Bud Grammar.The girl he married is the daughter of Kurt(who is no longer with us) and madeline Schlitenhart...Trying to get a group together for the picnic in Franklin Square-will you be there?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 18:52:29 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to one and all and enjoy a good Memorial Day.
Have a house full of family but will check back later.
- 209.240.245.92 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 00:56:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Werner-It seems there is some bickering as to which picnic to go to---Walden or N.Y. Let you know..I'll be back later...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 01:35:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I know they are both N.Y.---We'll see who wins....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 01:36:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are having a good holiday week-end. Very chilly in KCMO. Went to southern Missouri, very chilly there , too. Anyone on tonight?
- 171.75.224.81 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 01:42:45 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Werner: Are you logged on tonight? Talked to Tante Leni this afternoon. Very chilly, very wet weather in Mahopac. She seems to be fine. Would like more springlike temps. We are all fine in KCMO. Love to Trudy.
- 171.75.224.81 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 01:46:20 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must say auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 171.75.224.81 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 01:56:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good nite everyone---weather stinks here too///
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 03:26:38 (UTC)

jenny podborsek:
Hi everyone and greetings from downunder.Autumn is nearly over and Winter is fast approaching. Wish i could come to the picnic. Does anyone have contact with Freidl and Sophie Hertzl from Graz, we are trying to contact as they were very generous to Miro when he jumped the border in 1959 before coming to Australia.
- 203.123.64.148 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 05:48:48 (UTC)

PaulB.:
Hi Jenny--It seems strange to hear you saying winter is approaching while we are cursing the cold that won't leave us at the end of May here.....And like to see summer approach a lot faster than it is taking so far...Hope your winter is not too harsh--I must confess that I don't know anyhing about your weather...Anyway, welcome to the Plauderzimmer, since I have not heard of you until now....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:05:36 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
GREETINGS TO HERB HUTTER IN OHIO.
I FEEL LIKE A DUCK. TODAY MANY OF US GOT SOAKEN WET, EVEN WITH OUR RAIN GEAR ON.
THE G-COP VOLUNTEERS HAD A BUSY WEEKEND HELPING THE NYPD WITH THE USUAL MEMORIAL DAY PARADE DETAILS IN FOREST HILLS, MASPETH, GLENDALE & RIDGEWOOD.
THE SUN CAN'T SHINE EVERYDAY.
STAY DRY.

- 205.188.208.104 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 00:50:03 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Hi Margie, except for the steady rain, which I am gratefull for, all is well. I just re-planted 1/3 of my 1 acre lot with new grass seed. It is already showing green. (Did however to date not hear the grass grow yet.)
Best regards to you all.
- 206.216.62.129 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 02:13:58 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Paul B. I will be going to the Gottscheer picnic this coming Sunday with Richard Siegmund. Picnic in Franklin Square, Long Island N.Y. Also planning to go to the picnic in Walden, N.Y., near Newburgh. Picnic is usually the second Sunday after the 4th of July. There was talk in Walden 7 or 8 months ago that it is too much work for the people living there and they might not have it this year. Have you heard anything? Let me know what time and place we could meet. Would like to put a face with the great notes you write. I plan to be there around 12:00 noon and have an Ochsen sandwich for lunch.
All the best.
- 206.216.62.129 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 02:26:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Werner{ The debate is still going on as to which picnic to go to.But I was told that Walden is the Sunday after the one in Franklin Sq. I am saying we should go to Franklin Sq. I'll let you know as soon as I can...About Walden being too much work for them-there might be some truth in that-I really don't know; but i was told that the Gottscheers there are sellin their homes and moving out. I kind of doubt that.It might be the aging process that is changing things.Let's see if anyone on the P.Z. knows what is really going on up there....Be talkin' to ya....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 03:25:51 (UTC)

Christine Röthel:
Meine Eltern kommen aus Gottschee. Viele tolle Kochrezepte und Lieder konnte ich schon von meiner Mutter erlernen. Sie hat in mir die Liebe dazu geweckt. Nun bringt mich die Begeisterung dazu noch weitere zu sammeln. Vorallem interessiert uns das Rezept vom Schartlbroat.(meine Mama war damals selbst noch eine kleines Kind und weiß nun die Rezeptur nicht ganz genau). Ich freue mich schon riesig auf eine Antwort. Mit den besten Wünschen Eure Christine (Gottscheerin!)
- 62.218.80.139 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:51:43 (UTC)

Christine Röthel:
Nochmals melde ich mich zu Wort. Gerade habe ich vorher wegen Kochrezepten geschrieben und um Infos zum Schartlbroat gebeten. Hier mein wichtiger Nachtrag, nämlich meine E-Mail Adresse: christine.roethel@utanet.at Freue mich schon auf INfos aus Gottschee!!!!!!!!!!!(KOchrezepte!!!)
- 62.218.80.139 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:54:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Along with the recipe for Christine's Schartlbroat does anyone know the recipe for Knoedl with an apricot inside of it?
- 24.195.44.139 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:28:40 (UTC)

Herb Hutter:
Gruess Dich Gerhard! Im schoenen Oestereich!
Danke fuer die Gruesse,
In unserem Dorf Seele, waren auch Zwei familiennamen Samide der hausname war "Meschnasch" und "Uentermeschnasch"
Vieleicht, verwante von Dir?

- 209.81.206.164 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 19:32:26 (UTC)

Irene:
Has anyone e-mailed me on my personal address? I received an e-mail with a German heading but an address I did not recognize. My university, who is my e-mail provider, deleted the attachment as containing a possible virus? If this was the Knoedl recipe I sure would like it.
- 24.195.44.139 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 22:41:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Werner{ I am disappointed and sorry to say The picnic dilema has been solved..We can't go. My Grandkids and great grandkids- a total ofnine-Plus my ex daughter in law and new husband and grandsons new wife-what a crew-all coming up from Florida-can you guess what day? Yep-the picnic day in Fkln Sq. Two cars will be picking them up at the airport, and one is mine...Maybe next time..Enjoy the day if you go...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 04:17:16 (UTC)

Gerhard:
Grüß Dich Herb!
Ich hoffe es stört Dich nicht, dass ich Dich mit dem Du anspreche, aber es ist einfacher.
Leider habe ich darüber keine Informationen wo es weitere Verwandte gab.
Deshalb auch die Suche.
Danke für Deine Antwort und schöne Grüße aus Österreich.
- 62.218.151.218 - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 16:56:01 (UTC)

Irene:
I have more info concerning the knoedl. My aunt said in Gottschee it was made with plumes. The pit was removed and a little bit of suger was put in the pit's place. She said the dough was springled with bread crumbs or suger and then wrapped around the plum. However, she did not remember how to make the dough. After the knoedl was cooked it was rolled in bread crumbs or a little bit of suger. Does this seem familiar to anyone? Now all I need is a recipe for the dough.
- 24.195.44.139 - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 22:17:37 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Irene: In Gottschee it is called (and I am probably spelling it wrong-but here goes--It is called fram Kennellein and I will find out tomorrow how to make the dough-I don't think my niece would appreciate my calling her for the receipe at 11:41 P.M. Be talkin to ya'....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 03:43:59 (UTC)

John B.Gladitsch:
Hi Irene,The ingredients for the dough are three baking potatoes cooked and peeled and a cup of flour.Mash the potatoes and mix in a half cup of flour and one whole egg ,shape into a ball and flatten on a flour covered board,after flattening the dough fold over and flatten again by hand or rolling pin.Do this several time until the other half of the cup of flour is used up.Cut the dough into approx squares to surround a pitted plum or apricot.Place the italian plum dumpling (zwetschkenknoedel) (Pfraumknellein) or apricot dumpling (Marilnknoedel) into a pot of rapidly boiling water.When the submerged dumplings rise to the surface they are cooked.Then roll the dumplings in bread crumbs toasted in a pan with butter,finally place in the oven to crisp them up and keep them warm until served.This recipe is from an article by Martha Hutter rewritten by me from memory.
- 63.208.61.219 - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 05:54:55 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi John. Thank you so much for this simple recipe. Can't wait to try it myself. Irene, Thank you too for bringing this up.
- 209.240.245.142 - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 17:18:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
John: Nice job-it brought back memories of watching my sister-in-law Emma Kren making the Pfraumknellein..And now I know how to spell it too....And I won't call my niece-I'm sure I will gat another way or variation.Yours sound authentic to me..O.K. Irene--send us a batch!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 18:12:51 (UTC)

Irene:
Thank you John for the recipe.
- 24.195.44.139 - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 22:10:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is Friday--Happy weekend everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 20:04:25 (UTC)

Werner L.:
Sorry to hear you can't make it Paul. Maybe we will meet in Walden.
- 206.216.49.190 - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 07:23:15 (UTC)

Trix:
Gottscheer Greetings from Minnesota. I wish all of you who will attend the picnic on Sunday all the best. Have a GREAT time, laugh a lot, eat well and dance one for me too. Wish I were there.
- 209.240.237.169 - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 19:29:29 (UTC)

Dieter Eichinger:
Hallo alle miteinander,

ich beginne gerade mit der Ahnenforschung in Gottschee.
Meine Suche dreht sich um Reifnitz / Dane / Veldes und speziell die Familien Novak / Rus / Campa /Loosin und Plemely .

Vielleicht können sie mir ein paar tipps geben wie ich flott zu ein paar ergebnissen komme.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Dieter eichinger , linz

- 81.10.165.229 - Sunday, June 01, 2003 at 15:26:49 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Anyone have any news about the picnic? Or is the picnic still going on?
- 171.75.224.42 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:07:19 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi Margaret,

Haven't heard about the picnic yet. I live just far enough away that it is not a one day communte.
- 24.195.44.139 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:09:15 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Irene: Never have been to the annual picnic. KCMO is a long way from Queens. My Tante Leni Yonke, from Mahopac, NY, used to go. SHe is up in years now and says the "old timers" are not able to come anymore. Her contemporaries are getting frail, I guess.
- 171.75.224.42 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:12:52 (UTC)

Irene:
We have pcitures of me at the picnic when I was five. Yes I think it is difficult for the old timers. It is my impression that Der Alten want to show off their ofspring and their gradchildren.
- 24.195.44.139 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:16:34 (UTC)

`Trix:
Sharing a message from a friend:

... By the way, at the last minute we decided to attend the Gottscheer
Volksfest in Franklin Square today. It had been raining the past two days but
when it started to clear up around noon today, we took the two hour drive and
arrived midafternoon. Today's rain really dampened the attendance, only about
700 people were there (one of the lowest turnouts ever!). Still it was a very
enjoyable afternoon. I did say hello to Albert Belay, Martha Hutter, Traudi
Kneier and a few other people that we saw there.

- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:28:42 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Irene and Margaret.
- 205.188.209.51 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:34:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I was oncall and working today so I did not get to go to the picnic. I have made the last two but did not attend any when I was a sprig of a lad.
- 205.188.208.73 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:35:27 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
hello
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:36:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Trix. I would have liked to have seen the picnic in its heyday. What an occasion it must have been. The last two years have been enjoyable but "oldtimers" regaled me with tales of how much more crowded it was in the earlier years.
- 205.188.209.74 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:36:54 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, Sharon.
- 205.188.209.104 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:37:11 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Good evening, Jim. Hope you are well.
- 171.75.224.42 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:38:10 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Someone sent me an email asking about the village of Riegel, Altlag parish. He was wondering if there were any pictures of the village to be found. Does anyone know if there are some pictures on the online sites or in the video?
- 205.188.208.101 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:38:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, all is well if not a bit soggy from all the rain. It has been one of the top three coldest Mays in history. It seems like it has been raining all month but they say the rainfall is only average.
- 205.188.208.75 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:39:49 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Will say auf wiedersehen. Have a super week. Bleib gesund.
- 171.75.224.42 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:42:26 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
try using google site for the village Jim
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:42:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, have a good week. Sharon, thank you for your suggestion. I have to email some information and will be back.
- 205.188.209.135 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:44:25 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
nice day here today. I planted my Calla Lilies today
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:44:50 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am hoping for a nice day tomorrow. I have to get some plants in the ground before the weekend. My daughter is graduating from high school and I have some beautification to do. The ground will be wet.
- 205.188.209.48 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:49:46 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am trying to get more and more perennials in my garden. I still use impatiens and begonias but less so than before. The more things that come back year after year, the better.
- 205.188.208.140 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:53:43 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
sounds like my mother's garden
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:55:51 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
That brings up a Gottscheer cuisine question ----- did they grow any herbs?
- 205.188.208.165 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:58:23 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
she has all sorts of different perennials from coral bells to her peonie plant
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:59:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I have put in more coreopsis (strawplants) and others. Sometimes they overwinter and sometimes they do not. I lost some rosemary but the lavender and oregano came back along with a single curry plant.
- 205.188.208.10 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:59:46 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I like having a variety of leaf shapes and plant sizes so that it is still interesting even if there are no flowers. Astilbe is a great one for partially shaded areas.
- 205.188.209.82 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 02:00:53 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
we have one of those
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 02:02:31 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
tomorrow I'll will plant my pumpkins
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 02:05:35 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
I'm going to call it a night
- 199.243.152.238 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 02:06:37 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I don't have enough space for pumpkins. My veggie garden is limited to a small area on the side of the property.
- 205.188.209.20 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 02:07:21 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
take care.
- 205.188.209.16 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 02:07:33 (UTC)

dhumby:
hi is anyone here
- 80.4.242.201 - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 15:26:32 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Werner: Sorry to hear about the poor turnout-sincerely hope it was the rain and nothing else that kept people from coming...My Grandkids are still in town and now they want their own picnic-my middle son John is going to comply in HIS back yard--whew! what a narrow escape for me--too tired......
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 21:16:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Sunday to you all form a sunny but cool Minnesota. Hope you are enjoying a good day and hope to chat tonight.
- 216.251.169.46 - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 14:16:18 (UTC)

:
The same to you and all Trix--Hope you all have a great chat---I will be attending a birthdayparty for my daughter-in-law-who knows when i will get back--all my grand and geat grand kids are going back to Florida today--what a week it has been..Adie and i should go to sleep for about a week to recouperate!!!!Enjoy the day everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 17:40:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Read the message below and that will tell you why we need the rest!!!Excuse all the mispells and grammar please...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 17:41:47 (UTC)

Trix:
I hear you Paul. You said it so well about needing to sleep for a week. It sounds so familiar but I have to hand it to you - you continue to party. Am proud of you. Have fun.
- 216.251.178.30 - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 18:43:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 18:55:53 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry to be so late. Who else is logged on tonight? Beautiful weather here in KCMO.
- 67.74.24.95 - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 01:32:59 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Pretty quiet tonight on the PZ.
- 67.74.24.95 - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 01:34:23 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: Surprised that you haven't logged on. How's tricks in Minnesota. I did tell you that our daughter-in-law comes from Nevis, MN, didn't I? Near Park Rapids, Walker, and Ackley.
- 67.74.24.95 - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 01:42:54 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Will log off. Auf wiedersehen. Alles gute. Bleib gesund.
- 67.74.24.95 - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 01:45:07 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Once upon a time, not so very long ago, this chat room used to be a fun place for Gottscheers and Gottscheer-wanna-bes to gather for an hour or more on a Sunday evening, and enjoy at times serious, and at other times frivolous conversations. Sometimes the discussions were about food, drinks, the weather, sports, genealogy searches, the news, and all sorts of other goings-on, and most often they were about some aspect of our common heritage – Gottschee. It was our Village Square – our Platzlә - where we gathered for a visit every Sunday evening. We formed friendships in this chat room and some of us stayed in touch with each other during the week via e-mail. The book which Arnold Rom and I eventually wrote about our childhood grew out of our meeting in this Plauderzimmer.

In the more recent past, very few have visited the Plauderzimmer, and that makes me sad.
I for one would hate to see the Plauderzimmer fade into history. I’d like to see it become the fun place to visit on a Sunday evening, which it used to be. It isn’t always possible, of course, for each of us to tune in every Sunday evening, but I will make an effort to drop in next Sunday, and I hope I will have lots of company!

Auf Wiedersehen!

- 64.229.239.21 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 00:27:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy, I second the motion-although I am not always available Sunday nite, I still enjoy reading all the Gottscheer news and stuff late that nite or the next day--come on folks, let's start all over again....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 01:53:36 (UTC)

Trix:
I third the motion Ridy. You make a very good point - it is very important for us to continue to gather every Sunday night and share, reflect, learn, enjoy and remember our heritage and our memories.

So, everyone lets make a date for next Sunday night. Thanks Ridy. I think we all needed your beautifully drafted reminder.
- 209.240.245.103 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 02:12:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Any more motions? I can't hearrrrrrr you!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 02:41:27 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I definitely agree. I have learned much about my heritage in this little chatting place and have enjoyed the conversations. I would hate to see it disappear. I know I have not been here often lately either, so I am guilty as charged but will definitely try to change that.
- 152.163.253.33 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 03:12:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
That's the spirit Marilu....Neeeeeeexxxt.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 03:15:28 (UTC)

Trix:
Time to call it a day but before I go must say CONGRATULATIONS Paul - the perfect cheerleader.

- 209.240.245.102 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 05:06:45 (UTC)

Trix:
My daughter Maria and I are co-chairing a fundraiser for repairs to the church Maria Himmelfahrt in Tschermoschnitz - my home parish. Any and all donations, large or small, will be GRATEFULLY accepted and forwarded to Father Sket of Semitsch who serves the catholic community of Tschermoschnitz. Repairs will include a new roof, some inside painting, hopefully and exterior paint job and the completed installation of electronically controlled bells. Can't you just hear them klingen throughout the Moschnitze valley? I am having a friend make a cassette of the various church bells. I love to listen to them and miss the sounds in Minnesota.
- 209.240.245.102 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 05:11:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Regarding the fundraiser for the church in Tschermoschnitz, Gottschee - THANK YOU for asking me to post further information.

If you would like to make a donation please make your check payable to me, Sophia Wyant, and send it to 36797 500th Lane, Palisade, MN. 56469. I will cash your check, or money order, and at the appropriate time will purchase ONE cashier's check which will be send to the priest in Semitsch, Slovenia along with a detailed list of all donors. By doing it this way it saves a lot of "foreign cash checking" costs.

If you are making the donation in memory of someone other than yourself PLEASE include that information. All names will be listed in both the GZ and other publications.

Thanks for your interest and support.
- 209.240.245.176 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 21:41:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
What a warm and touching idea Trix--I will donate in memory of my dearly departed members in my Gottscheer family-i miss them so-Jacklitsch-Kren-Rabuse--oh what good times we used to have...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 22:48:50 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Just a thought --
The church in Ebental is also being renovated - rebuilt is more like it - by relatives of mine. He will be over here this month to raise funds for that church, and I think the one in Tiefental, called Maria Schnee. Anyone who traces their roots back to the Ebental Parish should consider donating to those two churches. They've already made a lot of progress, but a lot more money is needed.
- 64.229.239.21 - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 23:12:02 (UTC)

[06/11/03 1200z : ] Helmuth: This is a test.<br>

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: Don't think my father's family attended the churches mentioned, but I would like to donate and save a piece of Gottscheer history. THanks for mentioning it. Thanks for taking care of the project.
- 171.75.201.146 - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 23:51:05 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Don't know how much time i will have this weekend--sooo Happy Fathers Day to all the Pappys out there....I, yes , I said I I_ am taking all my kids and theirs out to dinner for fathers day..Is there something wrong with this picture???
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 02:27:57 (UTC)

Trix:
There is nothing wrong with this picture ---of you taking all your children and grandchildren -- out for dinner for Father's Day. I think it is a very noble gesture on the part of a wonderful father and grandfather. My dad used to do the same thing. Happy Father's Day to you Paul and to all other dads who might be reading this message.
- 209.240.245.76 - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 02:32:45 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You trix-I am happy to be able to do it-They balked a little because the wanted to do it on their own..Fortunately the owners of Bella napoli have become our friends and they will not take any money from the kids-I know we will have a good time..And you were right about partying-I will keep going as long as God helps me to stay healthy and in a party mood......Have a happy--everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 04:41:56 (UTC)

Trix:
To all the fathers may you have a wonderful day.
- 216.251.169.41 - Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 15:02:02 (UTC)

Irene:
Happy Father's Day to all fathers, step-fathers, uncles, brothers and friends who are fatherly! Hope I haven't missed anyone.
- 24.195.44.139 - Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 17:59:28 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello anyone?? Is anyone around to chat tonite?
- 64.12.96.206 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 01:09:37 (UTC)

Paul B:
Hi Marilu--Just got back from dinner-with a bunch of company--just wanted to check in--hope you had a nice dAY--HAVE TO PUT OUT SOME COFFEE AND DRINKS OF ANOTHER NATURE-HOPE YOU ARE ALL HAVING A VERY NICE DAY=IT IS 9:20 P.M.-AND NOONE IS READY TO GO HOME....wILL COME BACK LATER IF ANYONE IS STILL AROUND--oH, oH, THE NATIVES ARE GETTING RESTLESS--BETTER GO..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 01:23:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I guess everyone is busy with Father's Day company. Maybe we should set a later time for the chat room during the summer months when everyone seems to be busy. I sure miss chatting with everyone on Sunday nights. It used to be the highlite of my day. I have learned a lot about Gottschee from this room. Sad people do not seem to be interested anymore. I miss all the lively chats about food and customs.
- 64.12.97.7 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 02:19:01 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hope all you fathers had a great day!
Sorry I missed the PZ tonight -- we just got home from dinner with our kids'-- and even though I didn't have to cook, I'm ready to call it a day.
We are finally having some dry, sunny and comfortably warm weather in Toronto, and we are ready for it!
Cheers, everybody!
- 64.229.237.223 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 02:25:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings to you all. Sorry to be late. Our children and grandchildren are gone now and I must admit I am tired. Hope everyone had a good Sunday and that the week ahead will be the same. It seems that summer is definitely a very, very busy time for all. Even my personal e-mail has seen a slowing down. I know my life seems hectic.

Take care everyone and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 02:43:37 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Hi everyone. Thanks for the Fathers Day wishes. I had a great day with my two daughters and two granddaughters.
Received a post card yesterday that states that the Gottscheer Club will be holding their next picnic in Walden, N.Y. on the 13th of July. We and two other Gottscheer couples are planning to attend. We always have a good time, eating Krainer Wurst, Goulash and Strudel. The music is always great and we meet old friends and some relations. Paul, do think you can make the picnic?
Margie, I will call Leni and see if she will be able to attend. Just got a note from my cousin, Elain ( a Schneller) and she tells me that her grandmothers sister went to Kansas around 1948 after coming to New York from Graz. She was living in Lager lX in Graz. She went to live with Marie Nick on a farm in Kansas. Any knowledge of a Nick family?
Wishing everyone all the best.
- 67.27.163.173 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 03:28:01 (UTC)

PaulB.:
Well It certainly looks as though we all had the same kind of Sunday-Fathers Day...11:43 P.M. here in NYS and the last of my company just walked out the door-these were 4 unexpected who have no children here in N.Y. It's funny; you start to say goodbye and then someone mentions something that happened years ago (The Good Times) and we all sit down again!I am so wide awake now; I need a baseball bat banged against my head to fall asleep!////As far as the Plauderzimmer is concerned: Lets not be discouraged, Everything in life goes into a slump every so often--even something as good as the PZ...The reasons and whyfors? It doesn't matter,because we are all intelligent grown ups and if we only stop for a couple of minutes and think seriously as adults, we will come to an understandable reason and solution..Think aboutit-get the drift? We all love the PZ and like some of you have shown tonite-there are times when it just can't be done.. Just the fact that we all got on after our company left tonite-even just to say hello--that should tell you that we are still PZ friends-and like Ridy says, that goes for all the Gottscheers and the so called wannabes..So cheer up everyone, because with the summer coming along there will be some nites when the backyard BBQ and the parties will run late.But we will continue on another evening when we can get to the Computor and continue our lasting friendship. Sunday or another day...Come on folks, while I am only GBM, we are All Gottscheers at heart and we come from a long line of stick to your guns relatives-or none of us would be on the chat room to begin with.. Sit down and think about.....Best of everything to you all-never give up-The Gottscheer ship will always stay afloat on the sea of friendship....And I want you to know that I had only one lousy Kaluah tonite-I was the self appointed designated driver...So these words come from the heart, not from Booze........G'NITE ALL....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 04:11:20 (UTC)

PaulB.:
Werner-I will have to see about the Walden picnic date--Talk to ya'........
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 04:14:25 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Thanks everyone for the Father's Day wishes, and the same back to all you dads.

Looking ahead to Labor Day weekend, my family and I will plan on being at the Treffen in Cleveland for at least one of the days. Perhaps we can meet some of you there.

- 204.180.133.234 - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 13:17:46 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Helmut, looking forward to meeting you at the Treffen. On behalf of the EOUV Club, I invite all Plauderzimmer participants to Gottscheer Park in Cleveland during Labor Day weekend this year.

Anyone needing information about this year's Treffen can contact me at herbert.mausser@tri-c.edu. We also have a Web page set up [www.eouv.com] that has preliminary information - it will be updated regularly as we get closer to the event.

Although I'm not able to participate "live" in the Plauderzimmer (no Web access at home, just at work), I follow the conversations weekly and enjoy the exchanges. I hope that I'll have the opportunity to put faces to names in Cleveland [I've already met some of you and hope to see you again]! I'm co-director of the Cleveland Gottscheer Heimatchor, so I'll be the guy "in tracht" waving his hands like crazy up on the stage Sunday afternoon!
- 141.110.78.34 - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 12:28:42 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Herb Mausser: Do you know a Catherine Shelko who is or was a ward 5 councilwomam? I believe she is from Broadview Heights. She is a very shirt tail relative of my Peschel family.
- 64.12.96.77 - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 21:59:31 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Marilu: Sorry, I don't know a Catherine Shelko. But invite her to the Treffen!
- 141.110.78.34 - Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:30:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Herb, thanks for the information on the web site. Excellent job. Enjoyed it very much.

No doubt about it - the Gottscheer Treffen 2003 will be another huge success. We congratulate you all on a job well done.
- 216.251.169.42 - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 01:11:26 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Trix:
I didn't make it to the Gottscheer Picnic this year due to a prior engagement.I HEARD YOU WERE THERE. SORRY I MISSED YOU. Maybe next time.
Well I guess we'll have another rainy weekend here in
Neu York.
- 205.188.208.165 - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 01:47:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Frank. Unfortunately I was not there either. In fact, I have never been to the annual picnic but I certainly follow it and receive feedback from various members. What a marvelous day that must be and I hope it continues for many, many years to come.

Sorry about the lousy weather in NY. Can't complain - it is beautiful here but we DO need rain.

Have a good weekend.
- 216.251.178.13 - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 02:48:29 (UTC)

Trix:
To all the Gottscheers in the New York area who will be attending the dinner honoring Ernst Eppich tomorrow HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME. Wish I could be there too.
- 209.240.245.72 - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 19:31:42 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Trix:
I didn't make it to the Gottscheer Picnic this year due to a prior engagement.I HEARD YOU WERE THERE. SORRY I MISSED YOU. Maybe next time.
Well I guess we'll have another rainy weekend here in
Neu York.
- 152.163.252.135 - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 22:02:37 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Just checking in to see if anyone is online tonight. I'll check back later.
- 199.243.152.51 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 00:26:42 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, where were they honoring Mr. Eppich? Just back from vacation. Raining in NJ as always but the forecast is for better weather.
- 205.188.209.73 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:02:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Good evening Sharon and Dr. Jim. Hope you enjoyed a good Sunday in spite of the rain in NJ. What a lousy spring you have had as far as the weather is concerned.

The NY Gottscheers honored Ernst Eppich, their former president for 36 years this afternoon at the Gottscheer Klub Haus. I bet they had a huge crowd.

Erik Krisch, President of the Peter Kosler Gottscheer Verein in Ljubljana flew in a couple of days earlier so that he could attend. I would have loved that too.

From NY Erik will travel to Cleveland, attend the GHGA annual meeting and meet with members of the Cleveland Gottscheer Club.

After he will fly to Toronto and attend several functions there, meet with Gottscheers both in Toronto and Kitchener and later in July will return home. What a nice thing for him to do.

- 216.251.169.31 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:07:35 (UTC)

Trix:
I forgot - hope that if anyone in the Plauderzimmer tonight attended the dinner we would love a report.
- 216.251.169.31 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:08:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I wish I had more time to attend these functions. The weeks seem to be so crowded.
- 205.188.209.72 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:10:48 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Jim, Trix, and Sharon!
Hope you had a lovely holiday, Jim. And don't despair, we're sending some lovely weather down to you. After the coldest and wettest spring on record, we have now finally got a taste of summer, and I flatly refused to turn on the air-conditioning today. For one or two days, I want to feel really warm again. After that I'll start to bitch about the heat.
- 64.229.234.120 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:21:19 (UTC)

Trix:
Way to go Ridy - tell it as it is and how you feel. Hope you are doing well. I agree Dr. Jim the weeks are full and go by so quickly. I am definitely not getting much done on the computer these days.
- 216.251.169.31 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:24:30 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ok I'm back
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:24:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
It might rain here tonight. Last night was really windy out.
- 199.243.152.14 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:27:36 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Checking back in. Still trying to piece family puzzles together whenever I can.
- 205.188.209.70 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 01:48:04 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Sorry to be so terribly late. Just got a minute to log on. Hope everyone is well.
- 171.75.224.36 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:05:59 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Werner: Sorry to be so late answering your message about a Nick family in Kansas. No. Can't say that I have any knowledge of them. Did know a teacher, some years ago, named Elain Nick, husband Joe Nick. No other information. Hope you and yours are well.
- 171.75.224.36 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:09:35 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Well, must say auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund. Will see you all next Sunday.
- 171.75.224.36 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:10:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Severe weather moving in. Turning off the computer. Everyone, have a GREAT week.
- 216.251.169.31 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:12:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I think my Grandparents had friends that were Nicks. There is an address somewhere in the family photo box.
- 199.243.152.60 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:13:53 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. Just got home from my granddaughters birthday party. Is anyone still around?
- 205.188.208.69 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:15:58 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ok, guys, I am getting a complex. As soon as I sign on, everyone leaves! lol
- 205.188.208.76 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:25:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night, then.
- 205.188.209.71 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:33:11 (UTC)

Irene:
My family knew Nicks who lived somewhere on Long Island,NY.
- 24.195.34.29 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 02:41:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi you all..it is 1:19 A.M.-Sunday has come and gone...Was at the Jaklitsch house tonite and got back home just in time to see my friend and neighbor beimg taken by ambulance to the hospital..Glad to see there was some action on thePZ tonite..Have a great week everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 05:23:56 (UTC)

:
Herb Mausser:
Helmut, looking forward to meeting you at the Treffen. On behalf of the EOUV Club, I invite all Plauderzimmer participants to Gottscheer Park in Cleveland during Labor Day weekend this year.

Anyone needing information about this year's Treffen can contact me at herbert.mausser@tri-c.edu. We also have a Web page set up [www.eouv.com] that has preliminary information - it will be updated regularly as we get closer to the event.

Although I'm not able to participate "live" in the Plauderzimmer (no Web access at home, just at work), I follow the conversations weekly and enjoy the exchanges. I hope that I'll have the opportunity to put faces to names in Cleveland [I've already met some of you and hope to see you again]! I'm co-director of the Cleveland Gottscheer Heimatchor, so I'll be the guy "in tracht" waving his hands like crazy up on the stage Sunday afternoon!
- 64.229.234.120 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 13:16:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Herb: Hope you have the greatest turnout ever.Sure wish I could be there---right now I am having a difficult time trying to make Walden which is coming up in a week or so..I am not so sure about these so called golden years.that everyone talks about-wonder what i am doing wrong.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 16:39:57 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Hi everyone.
I have some bad news.
Former Gottscheer Hall Manager Willy Stalzer passed away on Saturday night. He was 70.
I just got back from the wake at Ridgewood Chapels.
I'm sorry to see him go.
Rest In Peace Herr Stalzer.
- 152.163.252.3 - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 02:15:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Frank, We all join in - Rest in peace Willy Stalzer...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 03:47:16 (UTC)

Christine Röthel:
My name is Christine Röthel and I'm from Austria. My parents are from Gottschee. Therefore also we love all about Gottschee. Could you send me "Liedertexte" and "Kochrezepte", because we would like to do this gottscheer-kulture also in the future. I'm not so very good in english, but I' have a good dictionary. My E-Mail Address: christine.roethel@utanet.at
Thank you very much!!!
- 212.152.233.73 - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 17:48:18 (UTC)

Christine Röthel:
Sorry, that my messages was printed for 3! times. I'll make it better in the future. Best regards to all Gottscheer and Gottscheer-Friends
- 212.152.201.164 - Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 13:27:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Christine: Welcome to the Plauderzimmer.Don't worry about the repeat message-it happens to some of us once in a while..If you don't already know, the formal chat time is set for 9:00 P.M. on Sunday nights, where you can meet and make many Gottscheer friends,,And of couse you can always post a message whenever you fell the need..My in-laws are also from Austria and gottschee-- Welcome aboard Christine..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, June 27, 2003 at 04:04:11 (UTC)

Russell:
Cristine, sometimes we will repeat our messages a few times. It's all a matter of realising how we did it and how not to do it in the future.
- 205.188.208.43 - Friday, June 27, 2003 at 18:32:40 (UTC)

Russell:
Sorry about the misspelling Christine.
- 205.188.208.44 - Friday, June 27, 2003 at 18:56:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Best wishes for a wonderful Sunday from Minnesota. Am still waiting and hoping that someone in the New York area will give us a report on last weekends Appreciation Dinner honoring Ernst Eppich, who faitherfully served as President of the NY Gottscheers for 36 years. Would be wonderful to hear some details.

Remember the 2003 Labor Day NORTH AMERICAN GOTTSCHEER TREFFEN which will beautifully hosted by the Cleveland Gottscheers. If you have never attended one PLEASE try to go. They are a marvelous experience for meeting and greeting, eating and dancing, reminiscing, laughing and sharing.

GO, GOTTSCHEERS, GO!!!
- 209.240.237.133 - Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 14:43:04 (UTC)

James R. Hennessy, MD:
I enjoyed the meeting on Saturday 28 June and hope to continue to pursue my studies.
- 24.239.204.155 - Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 14:45:14 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Irene, I knew the Nicks that live somewhere in Long Island.
A Mr. Nick used to visit my parents in the 50s. Don't know where he or his family live now.
- 67.27.163.70 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 00:46:37 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello to one and all. Can anyone tell me how the GHGA meeting was this weekend? I believe it was also held in Cleveland.
- 152.163.252.134 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 01:12:07 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Extremely slow this evening in the Plauderzimmer.
- 152.163.252.132 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 01:31:12 (UTC)

Russell:
Just making my presence known. Hello!
- 205.188.208.10 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 02:43:40 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Nite and a happy week ahead to you all....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 03:27:52 (UTC)

Irene:
Werner,
Did you know my Great Aunt Julia Meditz and her son Tony Meditz?
- 24.195.33.126 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 18:01:51 (UTC)

Gerhard:
Bin in Gedanken bei Euch,
es tut mir leid, dass Euch Will Stalzer für immer verlassen hat. Gott gebe Ihm die ewige Ruhe.
Lebe Grüße an Alle im Plauderzimmer, besonders an Jim, Trix und Ridy. Ich hoffe ich habe niemand vergessen.
- 212.152.242.141 - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 19:41:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Servus Gerhard und danke für Deine Grüße. Auch ich sende Dir dieselben. Uns wie gehts? Wir haben heute einen wunderschönen Tag in Minnesota.

Alles, alles Gute und schreib wieder mal.

- 209.240.237.140 - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 00:21:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix: You can thank Gerhard for me too. What a nice thought. Wish I could write like you..Glad to hear you are having a great day in Mn. Our weather here is just a bit too hot for me and ny Adie-Air conditioners have been running like mad all over the house!!!!!!Enjoy your week Trix,,,
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 04:25:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Gerhard - auch Paul Brassino, verheiratet mit einer Gottscheerin schickt Dir liebe Grüße aus NY wo es sehr, sehr heiß ist. Schreib wieder einmal.
- 216.251.169.27 - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 13:05:49 (UTC)

Gerhard:
Hallo Trix, danke auch für die Grüße von Paul B.
Auch bei uns ist es sehr heiß, wir hatten heuer den heißesten Juni seit 200 Jahren!

- 212.152.240.133 - Wednesday, July 02, 2003 at 21:51:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul: Gerhard thanks you for your greetings. They have had the warmest spring in 200 years.
- 209.240.237.147 - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 01:20:45 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Gerhard, es ist immer gut, von Ihnen zu hören. Ich hoffe, daß alles mit Ihnen und Ihrer Familie gesund ist.

Ich würde auch der Stalzer-Familie mein Beileid gern anbieten.

- 205.188.209.39 - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 01:23:19 (UTC)

Christine Röthel:
My name is Christine Röthel and I'm from Austria. My parents are from Gottschee. Therefore also we love all about Gottschee. Could you send me "Liedertexte" and "Kochrezepte", because we would like to do this gottscheer-kulture also in the future. I'm not so very good in english, but I' have a good dictionary. My E-Mail Address: christine.roethel@utanet.at
Thank you very much!!!
- 62.218.77.64 - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 18:23:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We wish everyone a happy and safe week end.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 18:41:51 (UTC)

Werner:
Irene, I know several Meditz families from different villages in Gottschee. Not sure if I knew her. What Dorf does she come from? Do not know a Tony Meditz by name. I know many Gottscheers by their house name or their faces that I met, while my father managed the Clubhouse.
Stay well.
- 67.27.163.7 - Friday, July 04, 2003 at 16:08:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy 4th of July - the day of freedom and liberty. Watched Ken Burns story on the Statute of Liberty the other night and couldn't help but reflect on my first view of that lovely lady.

It was April 26, 1952 aboard the USNS Gen. Muir which had left Bremerhafen 10 days earlier carrying around 1,000 immigrants to their new homeland. As this was our last day aboard rising was early in the morning so that everyone could do their job in leaving the ship in good shape. Around 4 a.m., in anticipation of what was about to happen on this day, the majority us were on deck with eyes glued to the west and there was our first view of the promised land, The United States of America and the Statute of Liberty shining brightly and welcoming us to our new homeland. I don't there was a dry eye among the thousands. What a sight that was and what a wonderful opportunity we were given to find the good, new life in the promised land.
- 209.240.237.146 - Friday, July 04, 2003 at 17:13:05 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix--Extremely well said---now if only everyone from coast to coast(or even just most) would feel that way-WHAT A WONDERFUL LIFE IT COULD BE! YOU HAVE AN ELEGANT WAY OF EXPRESSING YOURSELF TRIX, GOD LOVE YA'...........
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 04, 2003 at 20:08:01 (UTC)

Margret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Happy Fourth to all. Will leave a quick message and then log off. BEastly hot in KCMO. Hope some of you are enjoying better weather. Will log on next Sunday for a longer chat. Auf wiedersehen.
- 171.75.238.184 - Saturday, July 05, 2003 at 00:04:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Sunday everyone--let's see how many of us make it to the PZ Tonite--Our plans here are still uncertain today..We can spend a nice quiet day at home or succumb to a couple of "after the 4th" invites---one of them is very tempting because it is a invite for sauerbrauten--and I aint had some for long while--tempting.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 06, 2003 at 19:41:18 (UTC)

Irene:
Werner,
My Tante Julie was Julia Eisenzopf, Gerdin, Meditz. She buried two husbands. Eisenzopf was her maiden name and she came from the village of Hohenegg. Frank,Anton Meditz was her step son.
- 24.195.47.163 - Sunday, July 06, 2003 at 20:36:09 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
HELLO ALL!
JUST CHECKING IN.
I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GREAT HOLIDAY.

- 205.188.209.12 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 00:21:02 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope everyone had a safe holiday. Still hot and sticky in KCMO. Anyone on tonight??
- 67.74.31.244 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 01:01:49 (UTC)

seaford,ny:
Franze,bie Getz?
- 141.155.131.71 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 01:17:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Hey Franze ünd Seaford, NY, bie getz? Mir, in Minnesota, getz gonz guat.
- 209.240.245.141 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 01:32:22 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Anyone still hanging around??

- 205.188.208.10 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 02:25:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday weekend. Say some prayers for our soldiers overseas. They have a very hard job ahead of them.
- 205.188.209.73 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 02:34:10 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sad to say but it seems that the chatroom is being used less and less as time goes on. Any ideas as to how to get more people to participate? We used to have lively discussions and quite a few visitors.
- 205.188.209.134 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 02:45:01 (UTC)

drgardner@shaw.ca:
i am a gottscheer in canada b.c.
this is my first time on the internet so would be nice to hear from someone in california of ny.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 03:26:01 (UTC)

drgardner@shaw.ca:
sunday july 6, 9pm well i didnt know how to go about this
chat rm. thing. my name is regina from kamloops b.c.canada
i have talked to Trix on the phone not long ago.
am working on my family tree. the ramor side of the family
especialy.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 03:40:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Quiet nite again I see. Jim, Let's all put our heads together and see what ideas we can come up with COME ON GOTTSCHEERS LET'S GIVE IT A TRY.....SUPPOSE WE ASK EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN ON THE PZ--THE OLD CHATTERS AND THE NEW ONES--WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ON THE PLAUDERZIMMER// MORE FOOD TALK OF ALL ETHNIC GROUPS? lESSONS IN THE GOTTSCHEE DIALECT, SO WE CAN LEARN TO TALK A LITTTLE FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T KNOW HOW-SUCH AS MYSELF--i CAN SAY A FEW THINGS, BUT CANNOT WRITE IT..a SHORT HISTORY OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF US?---COME ON, LET'S THINK....WE CAN DO IT...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 03:49:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
IDEAS-IDEAS-AND MORE IDEAS-THAT IS WHAT WE NEED.....THIS DOES NOT MEAN GIVING UP ON THE GENEOLOGY, BY NO MEANS....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 03:52:47 (UTC)

PAUL b.:
REGINA-WELCOME TOTHE PLAUDERZIMMER..JUST KEEP POSTING MESSAGES ABOUT YOURSELF AND FAMILY-CHATTERS WILL CONVERSE WITH YOU-AND GET TO KNOW YOU...TRIX IS A GREAT PERSON AND WILL SURELY HELP YOU-SHE AND OTHERS ON THIS PLAUDERZIMMER ARE THE ESSENCE OF GOTTSCHEE-TRUST ME--MEET SOME GREAT PEOPLE HERE...I AM A GBM CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS?ASK ME--TRIX AND OTHERS KNOW WHAT A GBM IS......
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 04:05:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Let's have some fun---I think we have some talented writers in our group--you all must know who they are..Should we have a contest-or at least take a poll and find out who they are..Who do you think they are? Write in a name or names-your vote can be anonymous-so noone will know who voted for whoever.put them in order-like who do you think is first and so on..Watcha' think--got any more ideas?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 04:17:51 (UTC)

regina g:
Hi, Paul,it is plesent to hear someone answer. I was born
in Reichenau l8 in Gottschee. I lived in Richmond,BC for quite a while and have many relatives named Schuss and
some Ramor. None of my family live in Kamloops.
my husbands family does. I shall go for now since it is two a.m.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 09:14:27 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dear Regina,

There is at least one other Gottscheer in Kamloops. I email her quite frequently. Have you found others? If you haven't met her, I can give you her email. My email is DocH301454@aol.com. You may already have the address. Are you related to an Alyshia? I should be able to help you out with both sides of your family tree. Much of the information is from the GHGA.
- 64.12.96.230 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 12:13:12 (UTC)

Irene:
I like the plauderzimmer because it is personal and impersonal at the same time. We are focused for the most part on a specific topic. If someone could tell us some cultural history or a recipe every once in a while that would be nice. For example, Was some type of independence day celebrated in Gottscheer?

As for adding more people, how about some publicity. Have a flyer with some detailed information concerning the Plauderzimmmer included in the packet given to every new member of the GHGA. Or how about a contnuous ad in the Gottscheer Tree? I met Sharon on the Internet by accident and it was she who convinced me to go onto the Plauderzimmer. I was already a member of GHGA and nothing in the membership packet or newsletters gave me any indication how much fun and informative the Plauderzimmmer can be. With the next dues renewal notice how about including such a flyer. Perhaps include a few testimonials from people who have found useful information and enjoyed the commraderie from this chat line.
- 24.195.47.163 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 14:51:05 (UTC)

Paul B.:
There we go folks-it's a start.Keep the converasations and ideas coming-and it will glide right back to where it used to be....REGINA, See how quickly you got an answer? Jim has helped many of us-he is truly dedicated, and so are all the rest of the chatters who have the info and the tools and technique......Enjoy......
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 16:59:14 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
Hey Paul B:
Lets change the time maybe to 8pm EST.
Perhaps that will help.
GOTTA GET MY BEAUTY SLEEP. I still have to get up and go to work in the mornings. I also need the energy for my side job of chasing criminals around for fun. Got another 3 aspiring graffiti vandals last week. Read all about it in the Ridgewood Times, Glendale Register or vist our website at:www.g-cop.org

Seaford,ny:
I bet your a Vereinigung brother of mine who used to deliver beer.

REGINA:
My father in law was born in Reichenau. Next time I speak to him I'll ask him his house # was.

I also check in on this page during the week.

Guhrte Nohcht.
- 152.163.252.33 - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 21:49:04 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi Jim, Alyshisa is my daughter, she has moved to Victoria, BC. Yes I remember she had contacted someone re: Gottscheer.
I saw a name W. Lackner on the PZ. I have an Uncle John Lackner (wife Aloisia nee Schuss) of Richmond BC.
It is now 5pm pacific time on a Monday July 7th/03
Jim are you from N.Y. or LongIsland. I have some cousins there by the last name Baumeister (George & Rosalia) I have
lost all info of them. Their daughter had quite a few children but I don't know her married name.
I wonder if any of her children know of the Gottscheer heritage groups in N.Y.or this site. I also have other cousins in Brooklyn Al Kump & Paulie Steine their mother Maria Kump nee Ramor & my father Matthias Ramor are brother and sister from Reichenau 18 house name 'Goldeisch'. I don't know much about Maria's grandchildren. My sister Olga
has been to N.Y. city twice quite a few years ago. I have never been there. Well I shall sign off now, talk you someone or all soon.
- 24.71.160.198 - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 00:10:00 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well folks, I think we are off to a good start.The thing is to keep it going; which brings me back to my original idea. That is to not just have the PZ for a large group of Sunday nighters alone..And your idea is good Frank-The 9:00 Hour on Sunday isn't enough for everyone to get their licks in...So I thought it should be more in a broader sense-like whenever we get time-we get on and air our gueations, reports and hellos and welcomes, and whatever.All during the week that is, so the messages will be there for everyone to read at their pleasure and time available. But still have Sunday for the group that cannot makr it so much during the week days-as matter of fact that is what we are doing right now for the past couple of days-making up for missing on Sunday for whatever the reason..Isn't that so? The end result will be that we will converse more with one another, and not just tied down to one particular day..This way, Sunday is a bonus for those of us who can get on..What do you think Frank? And just keep up wiping up those bad guys Frank-I admire your courage and the time you devote to Glendale's safety...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 00:56:48 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
PAUL B.:
I'm glad you agree with me. I'm just checking in before I call it a night.
Got another little snotnose with a magic marker in the Glendale Playground. That was about 20 minutes after I signed off the last time.

REGINA G.:
My wife spoke to her dad Wilhelm Sedler. He was born in Reichenau # 5. He seems to recall the name Ramor. I'll quiz him a little more.
Take Care
- 152.163.252.134 - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 01:50:20 (UTC)

:
http://www.eouv.com/treffen_2003.htm
Don't forget to check out details regarding the Gottscheer Treffen in Cleveland on the above web site and make your reservations now!
- 64.229.234.250 - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 15:02:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
6:06 P.M. on L.I. N.Y. Still hot as H---!!!!!I am going to try to cool off in my air conditioned office and compute a little..Anyone here?
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 22:10:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Regina, if you would like a copy of what I have on your family, just send me your email address. Also, are you interested in the other Kamloopian??? Gottscheer?
- 205.188.209.73 - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 00:06:26 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
I rarely get a chance to be on the computer on Sunday evenings, but try to read what was said later in the week. I always find it educational, but being the second generation born in this country, chances are I wouldn't have anything to contribute. I recently printed the conversations about the park and snail-mailed them to a Gottschee-born relative in New York who does not, to my knowledge, use a computer. I printed off the discussions about Gottschee wedding traditions some months ago, and sent them to my granddaughter who was about to be married. So you see, you are reaching more people than you realize!
- 12.83.103.98 - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:01:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Jody-Thank You--That's the kind of encouragement we all need.
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:00:20 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I am having such a excellent week that it should go into the records book. My 1st cousin has gotten in touch with me, and I invited her here for Sunday night. I hope she joins us.
- 199.243.152.12 - Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 04:49:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Sharon--The weekend is rapidly approaching--let's see what happens...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 17:14:24 (UTC)

TK,seaford,ny:
frank;the mrs. is roxanne!
- 162.83.128.167 - Friday, July 11, 2003 at 01:30:05 (UTC)

Paul B.:
TK Seaford, Are you by any chance a Parishinor of St James? I used to own the Dream Restaurant a couple of blocks away......
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 11, 2003 at 03:44:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is Friday? Is the PZ going to have a busy weekend???? we will see...Enjoy your weekend everyone....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 11, 2003 at 20:27:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes, I know, it IS Friday..Maybe i should go back to bed and get up and try again---Tough getting old....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 11, 2003 at 20:28:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Anybody going to Walden tomorrow? We are still trying here,but chances look dim just now--for various reasons...My Jaklitsch cousins-Lorraine & frank, and Robert and his wife are going...I should be going with frank & lorraine, but I am not cetain at all just at this moment.. Darn it...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 18:20:04 (UTC)

Jim H:
I would have liked to have gone to Walden but I am on call again this weekend. That makes it three out of three events that I could not make. Perhaps I will get to the fall Walden fest.

Jody, nice to "see" you in the chatroom. I think your participation is very worthwhile. You are much like me. I am second generation removed from Gottschee so much of what I learn is from others. The chatroom is a place to ask questions and get answers (most of which, but not all, are correct).
- 205.188.208.43 - Sunday, July 13, 2003 at 22:07:25 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Good evening, everyone!
Just been wondering - I think many of the participants in the chatroom are second generation removed from Gottschee. Others, like me, were born in Gottschee. How far back can you trace your direct ancestors who were the first to emigrate to the US or Canada? Why did they come? Where did they settle? Why? What sort of work did they do until they learned English. What was their beginning like in this new homeland? Were they helped over by other Gottscheers?
One reason I ask is because when I look around, I think that Gottscheers, like most other immigrants, were very quick to work their way up economically, and even among the immigrants who came over as young children, we've produced a fair number of professionals.
Personally I do not feel that Gottscheers are unique in this, but it does appear to me that new immigrants generally are more driven to succeed, both economically and socially.
Any thoughts ont his?
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 00:46:22 (UTC)

Paul B.:
YES RIDY IT IS TRUE... wHEREVER THE IMMIGRANTS LANDED, THEY CAME WIYH ONE THING IN MIND "MOSTLY" THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY, WHEREVER THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN..THESE OPPORTUNITIES WERE NOT AVAILABLE FROM WHENCE THEY ORIGINALLY CAME....AGREE????
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:00:20 (UTC)

Ridy:
That was/is true of one class of immigrants, especially those who came before WWII. It was somewhat different for those who came after WWII - they were homeless and stateless, through no fault of their own. Their reasons for coming to this Continent were somewhat different and had it not been for WWII,they would, for the most part, have stayed in Europe.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:07:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
i THINK A STUDY ONCE SHOWED THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE IN AMERICA THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOY PURSUED BY EVERYONE, AND IT IS RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES..IT IS A HUMANE WEAKNESS AND FAILING..UNFORTUNATELY..WHEN YOU THIINK OF "IMMIGRANTS". THEY COME FROM PLACES WHERE THEY WERE NOT ELIGABLE, SHALL I SAY....HEY, LOOK AT ME I JUST SPELLEED A WORD WRONG UP THERE-AND I WAS SCHOOLED HERE!!!MY COUSIN FRANK JAKLITSCH AND HIS BROTHER ARE PERFECT EXAMPLES..THEY CAME HERE WITHOUT A POT--POOR HARD WORKING FARM BOYS..PUT THEIR NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE=DID NOT LOOK FOR DECENT HOURS-EASY WORK LIKE MANYAMERICANS WANT FROM THE VERY FIRST---THEY WORKED HARD=ONE BECAME A BUILDER=A REALLY SUCCESSFUL ONE AT THAT, AND NOW HIS SON IS PURSUING IN THE SAME MANNER.SON WAS BORN AND EDUCATED HERE, BUT GOT THE TRAINING FROM HIS "IMMIGRANT" FATHER...VOILA!!!!KNOW WHAT I MEAN????I KNOW MANY VERY SUCCESSFUL GOTTSCHEERS, AND THE "EARNED" IT....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:24:15 (UTC)

Paul B.:
BY THE WAY, WHERE IS EVERYONE? dID WE ALL OUT TALK OURSELVES DURING THE WEEK?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:32:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
JIM: HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE FOREST PORK STORE ?rIDGEWOOD OR THE ONE FURTHER OUT ON THE ISLAND--HUNTINGTON, OR COMMACK??
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:35:14 (UTC)

Jim H:
I have not heard anything about the pork store. What have you heard?

Concerning immigrants ---- I think they worked hard in the old country for little reward. When they came over, they worked just as hard but the rewards were greater. I wonder if the Gottscheers did worse, better, or the same as other immigrant groups around at the time. I think better but I might be biased :)
- 205.188.208.165 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:44:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Will give it another try. Wrote a nice message regarding Ridy and Paul's comments but was unable to send it. Hmm. Well, like I said I'll try again.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:00:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
I was wondering if you know why your ancestors came from Gottschee? Why did they come to New York, Cleveland, wherever. . . . Since most of them came from a farming background in Gottschee, what was it that drew them to the largest cities?
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:05:10 (UTC)

Trix:
It worked, YIPPEE!!!
Hi Ridy, Paul and Dr. Jim. Thanks for all your comments. I agree with Ridy when she writes that if it wouldn't have been for the war chances are that most Gottscheers would have remained in Europe, if not in Gottschee proper. So, I am thinking that in spite of the fact that there is huge disagreement about the war, in the long run, in spite of loosing our homeland, it probably was a positive thing. As for me, I know that I would never have had the opportunities in Gottschee that were given to me here in America.

I also feel that the Gottscheers have a great deal to be proud of including their tremenmdous work ethics, honesty, loyalty and appreciation for opportunities.

Having been born in Gottschee I have a deep bond to my homeland and my Gottscheer roots and am extremely grateful for having been taught well by my hard working and poor parents. I guess I could say that I have put those tools to good use and have found a very good life in America.

Frankly I don't know a single Gottscheer that has not done well or is on welfare. I know that my parents shuttered at the thought of perhaps having to ask for help.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:06:01 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, regarding your thoughts on why the Gottscheers came to the various locations, I am thinking it was a specific connection. For us, of course, asking my grandfather to help us was our only chance and it worked.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:07:45 (UTC)

Trix:
In my message that I could post I asked how everything is going in Toronto Ridy? Hope ok.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:08:36 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I was talking strictly about Gottscheers, JIm...They are a hard working group of people..The thing I was most impressed with when I met and married into my Gottscheer family was that they all worked hard, but they also played hard---I loved that quality from the get-go...Coming from a family(a good famil) they all worked hard,but that's all..They never really enjoyed life---and I am talking not only about my immediate family, but the rest of my relatives..Don't get me wrong,,I loved them all, but they just did not make of their free time what my Gottscheer family did..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:10:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Paul, thanks for sharing the comments about work and play. I agree the Gottscheers honored Sundays. Even when they had cattle and work Sunday afternoon was spent visiting, dancing and/or singing. The same after the chores were done. I think their deep faith played into that too. I remember my father getting up Sunday morning, sprucing himself up and putting on his best clothes and shined shoes.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:12:56 (UTC)

Ridy:
You're right, Trix - the later wave of immigrants - the post-war group - went to the big cities because their relatives of close friends were already settled there. But I still wonder how the original Gottscheer immigrants ended up there.
My own feeling is, and this isn't based on knowledge, that the young men who came over had already been Hausierer in the Old Country and had already become used to larger urban centers, so the culture shock of going from a small village to a lare city wasn't quite as dramatic as it might otherwise have been. Even some of the women of whom I know who had emigrated very early on had already worked in cities like Vienna, Zurich, etc.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:14:37 (UTC)

Jim H:
I think many ended up in the big cities for the simple reason that the jobs were there. Factories, stores, bars. The very early immigrants did go to more rural areas like Iowa, Minnesota, etc. along with the more urban areas such as Cleveland, New York, Pittsburgh.
- 205.188.208.166 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:20:42 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul - when we lived in Kitchener our neighbours were immigrants from Italy. They worked very hard and go ahead very fast and they sure knew how to party! They also became well educated. What one achieves in life I think depends more on individuals than on any ethnic group.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:21:32 (UTC)

Jim H:
There were Gottscheers in Norwood, Massachusetts, Birmingham, Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri. Often times, there was a primary immigrant who took a chance on an area and then sent for others. In other areas, there were recruiters looking for hard working people.
- 205.188.197.172 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:22:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy: To answer your question-it was something like follow the leader....The gottscheers that came wrote home about what it was like here.in my family it was word of mouth and the offer to sponser them here and stay with the ones who brought them over until they were able to get by on their own..And I don't know of anyone of those that were brought here that ever took advantage of the situation-in a short time all those that I know became self sufficient and went on their own..Welfare They would not think of it. Now, to me, that.s the way it should be-a proud people, and I am PROUD of them all..When my father-in-law Johaan Jaklitsch died I lost count of how many men came over to me to tell me thqt he bought them their first suit!!Family helping each other is what FAMILY is all about.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:24:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
I do wonder how some of them found out about these more unknown and remote places. When I was reading about the Pennsylvania Dutch settlers I was amazed to learn that they were recruited to come over here by an Englishman. It just seemed so interesting to have an Englishman, recruiting Germans, to come to the USA, and it made me wonder if recruiters like that ever came into Gottschee. Seems unlikely.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:26:41 (UTC)

Trix:
It certainly would be wonderful to find an interested Gottscheer to research this topic. I wonder if Rudy Kikel ever thought about that kind of project. I may just ask him.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:27:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
I seem to recall that Martha Hutter has followed that trail at some time. She came up with the earliest know Gottscheer immigrants.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:29:15 (UTC)

Jim H:
Ridy, that is why I think that there must have been recruiters at some point. How would a Gottscheer know that there was work in Iowa or Minnesota? Alabama? Someone must have contacted a Gottscheer here and there. Perhaps when the Gottscheers were travelling around selling their wares or when they moved to Austria to work in the mines.
- 205.188.209.75 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:29:30 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. I am traveling with my sister, and we are in Wisconsin. Just checking in for a minute. I have done some reading, and some of the earliest Gottscheers I read about settled in the Chicago area.
- 64.12.97.6 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:33:22 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think your idea is the most likely one, Jim. Gottscheers did get into some interesting places all over Europe, and they were probably influenced by what they learned there. I looked closely at the names of the book I was reading, and the only name there which can also be found in Gottschee was "Knauss" -
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:33:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy- I really was not putting other ethnic groups down. I was just not used to it in my personal Italian relatives-and i did love them all too.. In all the years I was home, we had one, yes i said ONE party where their was singin and drinking-it was when my brother got his doctors degree. And who started the singing? I'll give you one guess.But when that party was over-it was OVER-And the next weekend was BORRRRING as usual.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:34:16 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hi, Marilu. Good to hear from you. How far east are you coming? There was once a thriving Gottscheer community in Milwaukee. At least, that is what I have been told. They used to hold the Treffen there from time to time.
- 205.188.208.170 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:35:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
I know that some went west -- one of my uncles did, but I think he followed John Herbst's family,who had come years earlier. Now we also have Gottscheers on the west coast, of course. Wonder if any of them were there for the gold rush? Some also went to South America - unfortunately we lost track of them in my own family.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:36:01 (UTC)

Jim H:
I have contacted one family in Uruguay. There were early immigrants in San Francisco and the Bakersfield area. Still most stayed east of the mighty Mississippi.
- 205.188.208.38 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:37:59 (UTC)

Jim H:
Denver had a goodly number of Gottscheers in the mining camps. Many of the families out there also had relatives in the Cleveland area.
- 205.188.209.11 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:38:48 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Jim, we were in Milwaukee for 2 days, but did not look up any Gottscheer names while we were there. We are south of Milwaukee now, in Burlington, and this is where my Underberg family settled when they came here in 1846.
- 64.12.96.134 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:41:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
It must have been such an enormous challenge for the early Gottscheers to decide to come. After all, most of them had only seen very small bodies of water before, and here they were, getting on a boat to take them across the Atlantic, to a country where they didn't know the language, without a real home or job to go to. That took courage. Probably akin to my taking a spaceship to the moon!
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:41:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
JIM: i WAS OUT TO DINNER WITH MY NIECE AND HUSBAND AND SHE MENTIONED THAT SOMEONE NAMED HELMUTH FROM THE FOREST PORK STORE SUFFERED A HEART ATTACK..WE GOT SIDE TRACKED BY THE RESTAURANT OWNNERS WHO CAME TO SIT AT OUR TABLE, AND WE NEVER GOT BACK ON THE SUBJECT,,MY NIECE LIVES NEAR THE STORE IN HUNTINGTON ON THE ISLAND HERE..THEY WENT TO WALDEN THIS MORNIMG AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO WITH THEM, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER STORY--I DID MAKE IT-AGAIN..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:42:09 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Even the Canon City area where I live had Gottscheers before 1900.
- 64.12.96.76 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:42:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
THAT SHOULD SAY I "DIDN'T" MAKE IT TO WALDEN...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:43:59 (UTC)

Trix:
By the way had a report that the picnic in Walden was wonderful but they are worried about the NY Gottscheers all getting older. Boy, aren't we all.

We had all of our children and grandchildren here for 10 delightful, hectic, full, exciting and fun days. Now time for Oma and Opa to recuperate.

Have a GREAT week everyone and think happy thoughts. Gute Nacht.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:44:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - The Milwaukee group will be hosting the 2004 North American Gottscheer Treffen. I have attended two there and they do a wonderful job too. I also liked the small crowd. Gives you a chance to visit with many.
- 216.251.178.9 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:48:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Didn't realize how late it was getting! Time flies when you're having fun.
Hope you enjoy the rest of your holiday, Marilu!
And everyone - Jim, Paul, Trix, and all you cyberspace ghosts - have a good week and let's get together again next Sunday evening.
- 64.229.238.42 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:49:07 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight everyone.
- 64.12.96.238 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:50:58 (UTC)

Jim H:
Take care, and have a good week.
- 205.188.208.168 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:55:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE, AND HAVE A FRUITFUL AND PLEASANT WEEK. DON'T FORGET NOW, THE PZ IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS EVERY DAY....IT HAS BEEN A FAIRLY BUSY WEEK-DO WE AGREE????
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 02:57:51 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, Jim, Paul, Trix and everyoneelse too. I did leave some message during the week but did not check back soon. I hope everyone had a great week and weekend. Doug (hubby) and our grandson went to Shuswap Lake for a couple of days and boy was it hot but the water was nice and cool. Got home around three pm this Sunday July l3th. Now it is 9 pm.
Is it Sunday night of Monday night that most people come and
chat? Because at the bottom of each message it says it is July 14, 2:49 (am or pm) Trix it was great to talk to you awhile ago. I still have not type up my letter to you. I still have to learn how to send e mail and attach a letter to you.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 04:11:23 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Looks like tonight was a busy night on the Plauderzimmer...sorry I missed it. I always wondered why my Tramposch family came to Kansas City. I doubt I'll ever find out now since everybody has since passed on.
My great uncle Johann Tramposch (b. 20 Jan 1893 Hohenegg 6) married a Rose Agnes Sedlar (b. 13 Sep 1896 St. Joseph, MO). I am looking for info on her family.
Her father is John Sedlar (b. 1848 Warmberg d. Kansas City, MO) and her mother is Mary Kobetitch (b. 1851 Schaflein d. Kansas City, MO). Other children of theirs are John, Mary, Clara & Josephine. They may have been born in Gottschee, I don't know.
It is my understanding that John Sedlar (1848) was married (or maybe not) to another woman before Mary Kobetitch and had a daughter from this person named "Mary Sedlar". Mary was left with relatives to raise her in Gottschee while John came to USA and had a family with Mary Kobetitch.
A daughter of Rose Agnes Sedlar that is still living thought John Sedlar's wife's name was Mary Kump or Cump or Krump but another source says it is Mary Kobetitch. Maybe these are the two women John was involved with, I don't know.
Can anyone match up John Sedlar and Mary Kobetitch with the village names and birth dates I provided? Would like a lineage on them if possible. Can email me at gklighthouse@comcast.net Thank you.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 04:28:01 (UTC)

[PAUL B.:
HI RRGINA-YES IT WAS A GOOD NIGHT TONITE--OFFICIAL NITE CHAT IS sUNDAY AT 9:00pm...YOU KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO CONVERSE DURING THE WEEK TOO REGINA-SO JUMP IN WHEN YOU CAN IN ADDITION TO SUNDAY...HAVE A NICE WEEK..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 04:53:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Monday morning to you all. Regina - THANKS FOR YOUR MESSAGE. I finally got my brain functioning correctly and now know who you are. Hope all is GREAT in Kamloops. Yes, I look forward to hearing from you and yes, I owe you some photos which will be coming soon.

We have had a busy, busy month but all of our children have returned to their homes now. Maybe, just maybe, I can now concentrate on other things that need my attention.

Have a wonderful day.
- 216.251.169.10 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 14:11:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Regina: LESSON FOR THE DAY: Type your letter, or any other document, in Microsoft Word. If you are not using MW then that is another matter. When done click exit (cross in the uppper right hand corner of your screen); a screen will open asking you if you "want to save the document" or something similar. Click YES. Another screen will open asking you to name the document. In this case it might be Letter to Trix or anything else (but just remember where you saved it); after you name it exit the program.

Now go to your e-mail program, just like youi do on any e-mail that you wish to send. Address this one to me; identify the subject matter: could be Rodine.Reichenau etc, etc, whatever you wish it to be. Type a short message to me and when done do the following:

a. Click insert (on top of menu). A screen will appear giving you several options.

b. Click attachment.

c. Another screen will open showing all your saved documents including your letter to me. (Remember, it probably was Rodine, Reichenau etc). Click on the document and and it should show as an attachment. When done close out the program and send the short message that you previouisly typed in your e-mail program. With luck it should arrive at Waukenabo in no time at all.

GIVE IT A TRY AND GOOD LUCK. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
- 216.251.169.10 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 14:20:58 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello everyone. I'm sorry I didn't make it here Sunday night. I had the stomach flu that day.
Ridy to answer your question as to why my relatives came to Canada. Grandpa finished the 1st war and he said the people were starving after that. Farms were torn up from fighting. He said he knew another war was brewing up because of it. He decided that he was going to go ahead and find work in Canada or somewhere else but it ended up being Canada. So he got his papers and that in order and was the first to leave for work. He landed in Quebec and caught a train and head out west probably heading to the prairies of Canada because probably of his farming skills and anyone who knows Canada know that thats farming land.
He ended up stopping in Winnipeg and there he ran into a friend there who told him that there was jobs in Fort Frances at the mill that opened up about 10-15 years previous. So Grandpa came to Fort and got a job here. Few months later he sent for Grandma and their sons and we lived here ever since.
- 199.243.152.16 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 18:20:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I just wanted to say that i have not gone completely mad---some of my old messages are popping up on the PZ--can't figure it out yet.Parts of old messages keep coming up in my address bar, and i delete them, but they come back again and then I see the same message again on the PZ... I think I am going CUCKOO--before i can figure it out...Sorry..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 23:56:26 (UTC)

Regina G.:
I am so pleased to hear from all of you. I thought I wouldn't hear from anyone for at least a week. I think that I have to come on about two hours before you all do since I am out west (Pacific Time) Thanks a million Trix for showing me how to send a letter via e-mail. I hope to do that this week sometime. We had a little bit of a scare concerning our 21/2 year old grandson he was in the hospital for the lasat two days and is now home and is doing better.
Hi Gregg L. I saw your query re: Sedler. My grandmother was a Sedler, Gertrud from Warmberg #5 born Jan. 22 1872
her parents where Matthias Selar Warmber #5 Born Feb 121,1836 Married Oct 21, 1863 Died Sept. 28, l914
Wife Maria Kobetitch Grodez #1 Born July 6 1845
Died July 21 1898 in Warmberg #5. I hope this is some help to you Gregg.
Thanks Paul great to hear from you too.

- 24.71.160.198 - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 05:55:48 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I want to clarify the health situation of Helmuth from the Forest Pork Store in Huntington on long island. i have been told from someone at the pork store that it was a Hernia problem and that he is fine..It sound like something that happened to my wife several years ago-and it was diagnosed as a Hiaertal hernia (excuse the spelling) which is often times mistaken for a heart attack until tests prove otherwise....And i am still working on the repeat message problem I am having with my computor.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 17:48:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Regina: My Brother-in Law Louis Kren's brother Joe Kren was married to Albina Kobetitch. Wonder if there is any connection....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 16, 2003 at 05:18:48 (UTC)

Regina (Ramor) Gardner:
Hi Paul. Ihave just finished reading my e-mail from my cousin Ron Schuss in Richmond bc and sent him one back.
Albina Kobetitch, I agree there is a possible connection...
This morning I was trying to see if I could find anything by typing in Gertrud Sedlar and click on search and up came a page with all kings of Sedlar names but #l5 "Previous Visitors to this Site" so...I clicked in and it was all about more Gottscheer, as far back as 1998 so I printed all
90 pages. What an exciting find, I sure didn't know about that site, plus they advertise this site also. WONDERFULL!
I got too excited and sent my message to often because I was not sure if it got there til now. Well I have 90 pages of info to go through. guten ubent. ich kon noch Gotcheberish redn. Hard to spell in Gottscheerish.
- 24.71.160.198 - Wednesday, July 16, 2003 at 05:55:42 (UTC)

PAUL B..:
If somrbody knows how I can get that message off my address bar, and keep that message to Regina from popping up over and over--I surre would appreciate it..To save chat room space-e-mail me at satch_7@msn.com--Thanks so much..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 16, 2003 at 21:36:58 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Try and go into your cookie file and delete the plauderzimmer file and start over. Might work.
- 199.243.152.229 - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 03:58:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I want to apologize to everyone once more..As far as I know that message to Regina will not be repeated anymore.I still don't know why it did that, but at least I am getting back to feeling sane again...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 21:00:18 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Greetings everyone.

Paul, don't worry that happens...you may need to delete your "bookmark" (Netscape) or "favorite" (Internet explorer) for the Plauderzimmer. Then create a new bookmark. If that doesn't work, Tools - Internet Options - Delete Temporary Internet files (IE) or Edit - Options - Cache - Clear Cache Now (Netscape).
- 209.114.157.231 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:47:46 (UTC)

Urska Stimec:
Hello to everybody!!!
Hello from GOTTSCHEE!!!

The summer in this old town is great and I wish that you were here....
- 193.189.191.188 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 19:26:44 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Welcome Urska: Since noone is around, I will take the privelege to say Welcome aboard-and believe me, many of us wish we could be there to enjoy the summer with you. But urhbieten comes first(Not sure of the spelling) and then the rewards, hopefully......Have a nice Gottscheer weekend........
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 19:48:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank you Helmuth-it seems every time i set one thing straight, then something else comes up-I now lost my address bar, but i can get everything from the favorites...Friend of mine is coming next thurs. to revamp everything--he is the one who installed XP Professional for me..I Appreciate your thoughtfulness Helmuth--THANX again..Enjoy your weekend....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 19:53:24 (UTC)

:
Thank You, Paul. Some time ago (two or three years ago) I was quite often on line. I wrote the diploma on "Gottscheer fairy tales".... and was searching for some tipps, help.... Have you ever been in Gottschee?
- 193.189.191.188 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 20:07:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Urska: I have never been to Gottschee,but I married into a Gottscheer family in the year 1942-Actually, I was in the family in 1940 already-so I have 63 years of Gottscheerism in me!!!!Unfortunately, we can't live forever and some of the MAIN CHARACTERS are gone, but we try our best to keep up with the Heritage......The percentage of the young ones is sparce when it comes to the really nitty gritty...Some members of our family are going to Gottschee shortly..I would love to also, but business wise I can not be gone too long...Who Knows?, maybe before my # is up I might make it.......If you can come on the Plauderzimmer on Sunday Night you can get some of the help you are looking for-I'm sure. Talk to Trix, and Ridy and some of the others.. Maybe I will be on Sunday too....Not sure yest. Most of the times I get on when everyone has gone to bed...And I will have to think of some of the fairy tales,that i have heard......
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 21:17:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
By the way, is your name spelled URSKA? My wife insists it is URSLA..And if it is female I think it is spelled Ursula..What say you?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 21:25:01 (UTC)

Ridy:
Paul --
let's assume that Urska knows how to spell her own name.
- 64.229.234.202 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 00:14:02 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
URSKA: i PRAY THAT YOU ARE NOT OFFENDED ABOUT THE SPELLING OF YOUR NAME. i FELT THAT URSKA BEING SLOVENISCH WOULD BE CORRECT--BUT MY DARLING WIFE BEGGED TO DIFFER.I KNOW IT URSKA......
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 03:00:13 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
URSKA: AND OF COURSE I DID NOT THINK YOU SPELLED YOUUR OWN NAME WRONG ....AND RIDY WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT I ASSUMED IT WAS THE WRONG SPELLING? IF ANYTHING IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TYPO..LOOK AT MY SPELLING ABOVE AND MANY OF OTHERS --YOU KNOW HOW THE FINGERS SLIP ON THE KEYBOARD SOMETIMES......
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 03:04:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Urska: Good to hear from you again. Hope all is well and that the weather has improved. I understand it has been very hot and dry in Slovenia and that there is concern about harvesting the crops.

What's new with you? If I remember correctly you were an active participating in the WELCOME HOME GOTTSCHEER CELEBRATION in June 1999 at Dolga vas (Grafenfeld). Would appreciate hearing what you are doing and what, if anything, you hear about the preservation work of the remaining Gottscheer physical structures.

Enjoy a wonderful rest of the summer.
Born near Crmosnjice now Minnesota.
- 209.240.245.135 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 05:06:31 (UTC)

Urska:
Hello Trix, Hello Paul!!!
I have already written a very long text but somehow I managed to delete it.... Mist!!!

Shortly once more:
My name is Urska - a slovenian version of Ursula - as you supposed, Paul...

The weather in Gottschee / Slovenia is very hot and dry. But in Kocevje we don't feel the weather changes because of the woods. We still have enough water, enough rain and in the evening is rather fresh and chilly, so you can't sit outside without a pullover...
Ja, Trix, you remember correctly. I was there in Dolga vas in 1999, but since then nothing was organised for Gottscheer. The town itself changed quite a lot, three big supermarkets were built outsite the city center since then, and all small stores had to close the door. The town center is almost empty now, everything hat to move to the periphery. But the city reopened the old coffee house vis-a-vis of the church and in the evenings life returned to the city center. Every Thursday we have the "summer evening" event in the center in front of the coffee hause. Slovenian folk musics or modern pop or ethno groups from all over Slovenia or Austria or Croatia are participating, but till now there was no gottscheer traditional music to hear. Young people from Gottschee don't care much about the Gottscheer history - I am probably the only one who cares... Me and my Grandpa read together Gottscheer Zeitung every month and then I hear how it was years ago.... I am really sorry that.... the II WWar happened....and everything changed....
- 193.189.183.109 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 09:38:12 (UTC)

Urska:
I wish you also very nice holidays...

And Paul - if you have a wish to come to Gottschee - please, make it true... The world is sooooo small and our lifes are so short...
You are always welcome at my place / Klinja vas - Klindorf!
- 193.189.183.109 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 09:45:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Interesting message and perspective on the www.gottschee.de (Munich) web site:

Abgeschickt von Ein echter Gottscheer am 24 Juni, 2003 um 18:26:43

Dear fellow Gottscheers, John Tschinkel is the Anti-Gottscheer.He has the audacity to attack the very Gottscheers, who are the intellectuals of our Gottscheer community,who carry on the traditions,writings and poetry of Gottschee. Ludwig Kren is one of the few people living who can actually write in the Gottscheer language and he writes wonderful stories about his life in Gottschee written in the actual Gottscheer language.John Tschinkel is only concerned with the georaphical significance of Gottschee but he cannot understand that the surviving Gottscheers are what Gottschee is all about they carry on the culture. As long as there are people who continue to learn and gain knowledge about the history and traditions of our people there will always be a Gottschee in this world. Our seperation from the geographical Gottschee is only temporary with the new democratic Gottschee our rights that were taken away at the end of world war one will be restored and we may actually be able to buy property and live in Gottschee again.The Gottscheers who have been living in Gottschee and never left can now rejoice in their new freedom and and do not have to hide their Gottscheer-German background (they actually had to change their names to avoid prosecution because of the communist AVNOJ law decrees).Today with the help of the Gottscheer intellectuals our culture is being revitalized in the publications of the various Gottscheer groups who have united under the "Arbeits Gemeinschaft",although we are scattered around the globe ,we are now one people.

- 209.240.245.94 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 16:44:31 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
TRIX: INTERESTING INDEED...AND REWARDING..THANK YOU FOR THIS POSTING...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 16:58:59 (UTC)

Trix:
I am definitely having problems posting my message but will keep trying.

- 209.240.245.94 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 17:04:52 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
THANK YOU URSKA FOR THE INVITATION-HOW NICE OF YOU..HAVE A PLEASANT SUNDAY--HOPE WE CAN ALL MAKE THE PLAUDERZIMMER TONITE.OUR PLANS HERE ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR.WEATHER IS NICE HERE TODAY-WE HAVE A VERY NICE BREEZE THAT HELPS.
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 18:26:44 (UTC)

Trix:
Still am having a problem posting a message. I wonder why? Any ideas anyone? Danke.

- 209.240.245.94 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 20:53:50 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Greetings from Utah! The weather is very hot and dry. Highs in the low 100's and lows in the low 80's at night. Have not done much Gottscheer genealogy this summer. Have done some consulting with people searching particular areas. Hope everyone is doing well and will try to chat later this evening.
- 209.240.198.61 - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 22:07:16 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, John, Trix, Paul, and Urska,
Beautiful sunny day in New Jersey. Very relaxing. Minimal yardwork. Will do some during the week but it was just too nice to push the issue. Will check back later.
- 64.12.96.104 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:11:35 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all have had a good week. Beastly hot, still, here in KCMO. Looks like a desert. No rain for so long, we don't know what it looks like.
- 67.74.31.104 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:45:25 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Everyone,
Hope everyone is having a very nice Sunday.
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:53:28 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
So many interesting conversations and contributions on the plauderzimmer tonight. Can't stay long. Must say auf wiedersehen bleib gesund.
- 67.74.31.104 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:54:47 (UTC)

:
XXXX
- 64.12.96.166 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:56:10 (UTC)

:
Hi Margaret,
How are you doing?
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:59:26 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Are you doing any research right now Margaret?
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:00:01 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Are you around Jim? What have you been up to lately?
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:01:52 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
Are you keeping yourself out of trouble?
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:02:55 (UTC)

Trix:
What a question Mr. John. Yes, I am keeping myself out of trouble. Is there any other way to live?

Heard about the terrible tragedy of the lightening strike killing the couple near SLC. Boy, one just never knows do we? I feel very bad for the surviving 3 children.

So, John how are you and the family?
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:05:33 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Good evening everyone. Hope everyone is well.
The weather in New York has been very nice for the last couple of weeks.
We just got back from my parents summer home on Long Island and the traffic wasn't that bad.
It was very nice on the beach. My father and little brother were on the boat all day. They only caught one fluke, alot of porgies, but only one fluke.
Hey Trix, WOW, that was some posting.
I may check in later. Peace.
- 152.163.252.38 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:05:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Frank. If you can please go to www.gottschee.de (Munich), click home, click forum and you will see my response. Tried to post it here but can't make it work. Darn it anyway.
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:08:03 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
We are all doing fine. Just came back from Idaho to a nieces wedding. Linda's father is doing much better. He is supposed to have surgery in Sept or Oct to fix his problems. Hope he can be stronger by then.
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:09:14 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Trix:
OK
- 152.163.253.104 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:09:41 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
Did my Aunt Joan send you the info she promised? We visited her while we were in Wyoming and she asked me if I thought you still wanted the info and told her, yes!
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:10:57 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Are you having trouble put posts on the board, Trix?
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:11:44 (UTC)

Trix:
John - your aunt has not as yet sent the information. Would be great if she did.

And yes I am having trouble putting posts on this board. No problem with the last few but wanted to post my response to the Echter Gottscheer letter but can't do it.
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:14:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good evening everyone. Jim, I guess we are having twin days-Long island is nice today too. The prediction for the coming week is not encouraging-they say rain on and off almost the whole week. My yard work is done, except for the general keeping up- and at my age I think that is enough....By keeping up I mean the watering-and according to the weatherman i won't have to do that for a few days,, So, I will catch up on my office work...Wonder if anyone is coming on tonite...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:14:42 (UTC)

Jim:
Hello, John. Pretty much the same as ever. Helping sniff out ancestors from time to time. Work is doing well. Fairly soon we will be getting Amanda off to college. The house will seem a bit empty come September.
- 64.12.96.234 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:15:46 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Is there possibly a cap put on how many characters you can post at one time? It seems we have seen some fairly big posts, but it is possible you can only post so large.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:16:12 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Jim,
Good to hear your family is doing well.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:16:59 (UTC)

Jim:
Paul, did you ever have a chance to take a look at the file that I sent you?
I have some weeding and fertilzing to do on a dry day. Clover is growing in between the flowers. It can get a little ragged looking if I don't keep up with it.
- 64.12.96.78 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:17:51 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Jim,
How is the economy in NJ? It is not good here in Utah. Wyoming is booming. Wyoming is always booming when the rest of the US is going downhill. We went to Wyoming in June and it was quite beautiful. We took a ride into Jackson Hole and it was just wonderful.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:19:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello everyone

- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:19:47 (UTC)

Jim:
Trix, the posting was interesting but I guess it goes over old ground vis a vis Gottscheer lands and rights. I am always suspicious when someone puts something on a posting board but does not use their real name. Either way, I would probably not qualify for getting any land rights because my ancestors came over in the 1920s and I doubt they had any land to begin with.
- 64.12.96.78 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:20:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix-I really wish I could help you.I am definately not a whiz at this computor stuff.. You know the problems i have been encountering this week..I, by some strange stroke of luck fix one problem and somehow create another...My computor whiz is coming on Thursday--thank God...Then the frustration will be over for a while...Vo bist du? I thought you would be on early tonite...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:20:33 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Does anyone have any significant Gottscheer news? I haven't seen anything of late.
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:20:45 (UTC)

Jim:
I would wager the economy is not booming in many places including New Jersey. I think it will come back (at least I hope so). The past four years have been tough ones.
- 64.12.96.70 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:21:40 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Welcome Sharon!
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:21:49 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
My Grandfather had land over there. The British paid him damages from the war and then he sold the property.

- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:22:00 (UTC)

Jim:
Hello, Sharon.
- 64.12.96.168 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:22:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Jim long time since I have been here
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:23:01 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
We have had a lot of layoffs in Xerox. About 30,000 in the last several years.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:23:07 (UTC)

Trix:
John - regarding my problem with posting I think you may be very right. Will try to cut the message in half. THANKS. GREAT THINKING there Mr. Herbst.
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:23:33 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I'm not a whiz at this computer stuff either. I would think it would be a brouser problem if you can't post.
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:24:22 (UTC)

Jim:
Maybe we could make it the 51st state if enough of us bought land. :) Large patches are currently not in use.
- 64.12.96.73 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:24:25 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Sometimes Trix the problem is a simple one, but not always obvious.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:25:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Part I:
In response to the recent message by the Echter Gottscheer I must say that I am in complete agreement with his excellent analysis when he writes:

"....John Tschinkel is only concerned with the georaphical significance of Gottschee but he cannot understand that the surviving Gottscheers are what Gottschee is all about they carry on the culture. As long as there are people who continue to learn and gain knowledge about the history and traditions of our people there will always be a Gottschee in this world...."

I further applaud the writer when he states:

- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:26:24 (UTC)

Jim:
Nothing major on the Gottscheer news front as far as I know. Has anyone found out how the GHGA meeting in Cleveland went? How about the Walden, NY picnic?
- 64.12.96.139 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:26:31 (UTC)

Trix:
Psrt II:
"...The Gottscheers who have been living in Gottschee and never left can now rejoice in their new freedom and and do not have to hide their Gottscheer-German background (they actually had to change their names to avoid prosecution because of the communist AVNOJ law decrees).Today with the help of the Gottscheer intellectuals our culture is being revitalized in the publications of the various Gottscheer groups who have united under the "Arbeits Gemeinschaft",although we are scattered around the globe ,we are now one people..."

I am not familiar enough regarding the issue of being able to purchase properties in the former Gottschee to comment . Time will tell the outcome of that desire on the part of some.

I would also like to comment on the fact that there is a wonderful spirit of cooperation between the Gottscheer offspring's living in Slovenia, whose families did not resettle in 1941, and their Slovenian neighbors. They work side by side in restoring many of the remaining Gottscheer structures that survived the war. These have included chapels, churches, cemeteries etc. They have contributed hundreds and hundreds hours of volunteer labor and great financial support. Also, let us not forget that the government of Slovenia, through their Cultural Heritage Office, has contributed generously by their funding of the many excellent publications about Gottschee and the Gottscheers. An finally let us applaud and appreciate the outstanding work of Dr. Mitja Ferenc, and others, who have played an enormous role in bringing much needed awareness, particularly to the younger generation of Slovenians, through research and publications about our ancestors and former homeland,
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:27:10 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Anybody have any geneology questions to be solved tonight? I'm game!
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:27:14 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
So Trix whats with this Mr.Tschinkel?
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:27:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Part III:

- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:28:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well Jim I still don't know where to start on finding my Great Aunt Maria. I think I'm never going to find her family.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:29:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Oops. Part III:
In my opinion the joint efforts between the Gottscheers and their neighbors in Slovenia, the Government of Slovenia, the individual icons like Dr. Ferenc and others, and the individual Gottscheers, scattered throughout the worlds have been, and continue to be, TEAM WORK AT ITS FINEST. It makes me extremely proud to be a Gottscheerin.

It is also important to know many Slovenians, whose ancestors lived and worked alongside their Gottscheer neighbors during the 630 year Gottscheer presence support our efforts of preservation but they also see the need, desire and justice in doing so. Lets face it, our former homeland will continue to be part of Slovenia's history and it is only proper that the contributions and hard work of our ancestors, "who lived, worked and loved the land" be honored and acknowledged.

Thank you Echter Gottscheer for sharing your thoughts on the subject.

- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:29:33 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Very nice post Trix!
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:31:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - you are right the posting may be a repeat of old comments but I do feel it is important to remind people of who we were and what our role in Slovenia currently is. As the saying goes: Sometimes the wheels of justice grind slowly but exeedingly fine.
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:32:44 (UTC)

Jim:
Trix, I do not think the poster is espousing a nice environment of cooperation between Slovenes and Gottscheers. I could be wrong but the essence of portions of his statement appeared more strident with more interest in taking back what is "rightfully" his. rather than cooperating with the Slovene government. Did anyone else get that flavor?
- 64.12.96.41 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:34:37 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Sharon,
Is there anything I can help you with in Salt Lake with? I plan to make a trip in the near future. I could look for information for you if you would like. Just drop me a line at gottscheer@yahoo.com and I will be glad to help out.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:34:39 (UTC)

Jim:
Trix, I again get concerned when someone does not sign his own name.
- 64.12.96.71 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:36:25 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Thanks John. My Aunt came through Ellis Island but she was single. I don't know if she married someone in the US or even stayed there.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:36:29 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Have you checked the parish registers to see if there is any marriage indicated in Gottschee? I assume she was born in Gottschee somewhere.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:37:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
yes

- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:37:59 (UTC)

:
Message to Trix,

Thank you for bringing the Gottschee.de website to the attention of the visitors of the chat room. Gottschee.de is an independent site that allows honest and free reporting, a site that brings true and accurate information on our Gottscheer past which so many of the old try to suppress to a new generation.

When the anonymous writer calls me Anti-Gottscheer, he is partially right. I am "anti" those Gottscheer who continue to defend the young Nazis who deceived their fellow Gottscheer into abandoning their homeland. The individuals the writer mentions are among them. (These former Nazis are now Honored Members in the AG, an organization to which Trix belongs). I will continue to work for those who were betrayed and who encourage me to preserve the truth.

The anonymous writer calls himself a true Gottscheer. But a true Gottscheer would not hide and be ashamed to state his name.

- 64.12.96.235 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:38:29 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Do you know where she settled in the US?
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:38:44 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Message to Trix,

Thank you for bringing the Gottschee.de website to the attention of the visitors of the chat room. Gottschee.de is an independent site that allows honest and free reporting, a site that brings true and accurate information on our Gottscheer past which so many of the old try to suppress to a new generation.

When the anonymous writer calls me Anti-Gottscheer, he is partially right. I am "anti" those Gottscheer who continue to defend the young Nazis who deceived their fellow Gottscheer into abandoning their homeland. The individuals the writer mentions are among them. (These former Nazis are now Honored Members in the AG, an organization to which Trix belongs). I will continue to work for those who were betrayed and who encourage me to preserve the truth.

The anonymous writer calls himself a true Gottscheer. But a true Gottscheer would not hide and be ashamed to state his name.

- 64.12.96.6 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:40:03 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I must speak for myself, but in reference to the Message to Trix, I'm only interested in the study of the history of Gottschee and my ancestors. I'm not interested in fighting wars that were fought 50 years ago. It's time for all of us to let go of the hatred towards other nationalities and those who have harmed us many years ago and start anew. We must forgive those who have harmed our families and let go of the hate.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:42:41 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I have a faded address on a picture taken in Brooklyn. The women looks like an Eisenzopf. Same eyes as my Grandpa. The back says "Miss Maria Eisenzopf 239 Stuyvesaut Ave. The street name is hard to read so thats the best I could do.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:43:02 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - you may be right regarding the message from the Echte Gottscheer. I am responding from a personal point of view - something I am involved in and know something about. Everyone has the right to post their views. I am trying to make sure that there is another point of view for debate. As to an Echter Gottscheer would sign his name. Frankly, I can think of numerous reasons why would not and it has nothing to do with being a true Gottscheer. If there is one thing that I have learned through my 67 years of life it is that there is never just ONE point of view. Different points bring additional knowledge and from that comes a clearing of misunderstandings and progress.
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:44:53 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
What in particular are you trying to find out about her?
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:45:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well wheather she married and stayed in the US. I'm hoping to find her offsprings.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:46:37 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Send all your info to my email address and I will try to find something when I go to the library the next time. Send me everything you know about her birth date, place, etc.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:49:47 (UTC)

Jim:
Sharon, I am doing a little surfing to see if I can come up with anything else. I have tried in the past with no success.
- 64.12.96.203 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:49:48 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
ok John and thanks Jim
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:50:46 (UTC)

Jim:
I went through the rootsweb.com for Maria Eisenzopf and came up with one match --- but it was for a married "in", not a born Eisenzopf. I then tried for either Mary or Maria and her birthdate for the SSDI. Two or three New York matches but noone who married a Gottscheer sounding last name. This one is a tough one.
- 64.12.96.230 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:56:45 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
your telling me.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 01:58:25 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Goodnight everyone! I have children to put to bed.
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:00:15 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
goodnight

- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:00:51 (UTC)

Jim:
Have a good night to all.
- 64.12.97.10 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:02:25 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I'm going to take a break and will check back later.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:07:00 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr:
Hi Sharon:
Rough night?
- 152.163.253.72 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:07:06 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr:
TRIX:
I sure got an eyeful tonight.

- 152.163.253.6 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:08:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hey Frank--How's the security situation doing?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:09:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Frank
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:09:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good Nite everyone-Have a good week...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:10:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Just having the same problem finding Great Aunt Maria
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:10:30 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
oh yeah and I missed placed my files but I just looked across the room and found my briefcase. Isn't that just typical?
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:12:31 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr:
Paul:
One of my former clients got shot in the Glendale Playground this week.
My guys caught another four vandals last night.
Otherwise my eyes are getting tired reading all about the last 70 years of Gottscheer History.
I like opposing view points.
- 152.163.253.6 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:15:18 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr:
Sharon;
Which Great Aunt?
- 152.163.253.35 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:16:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Grandpa's sister She came to Brooklyn and then Grandpa's brother came over in 1906.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:17:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
according to the ship manifest that Uncle Josef came on it says he was staying at 274 Stark St.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:19:02 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr:
OK everyone, goodnight to all those good, bad and indifferent Gottscheers.
Peace
- 152.163.252.102 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:23:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Oh Frank I found Ernie's and Ida's wedding photo. I'll have to send you a copy.
- 199.243.152.115 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 02:24:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks or the good messages and exchanges. Everyone have a GREAT week.
- 216.251.169.29 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 03:09:40 (UTC)

REGINA (Ramor) Gardner:
Hi, all I just got in from the lake so missed all the excitment. Hope everyone had a great week,ours was pretty good. Hope to be on earlier next time as I see more are signing off now.
Trix, I still haven't typed up your letter to you. Must do that very soon. bye for now
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 04:07:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Regina-Good Nite Regina.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 04:13:34 (UTC)

Trix:
Urska: Part I:
- 209.240.237.151 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 14:43:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Urska: Oops. PART I:

Guten Nachmittag Urska. Wonderful to read your message. Danke.

I agree life is busy and goes by very quickly. So, I too, encourage everyone to follow their dreams and enjoy every day. This, of course, should include a trip to the former Gottschee in Slovenia.

Very, very interesting to read your details of the many changes in your area. Progress everywhere.

I loved listening to the singing in the evenings while visiting Slovenia. This was true particularly in Kocevje - Hotel Valentin and also in Dol. Toplice. It would be so nice to also have the Gottscheer songs from time to time. I know that Maridi Tscherne and her brother Andi are very musically talented. Wouldn't it be great to invite them, and perhaps others to visit your area, perhaps once a month, and acquaint everyone in the audience with the music, the stories and lovely melodies of the Gottscheer folklore? Do you think that would be possible?

- 209.240.237.151 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 14:44:22 (UTC)

Trix:
PART II:

I also agree, in part, that many of the younger generation of Gottscheers may not be interested in their heritage now. At the same time I also know, from personal experience, that they, as they age, will become interested and ask the questions. The obligation and opportunity, of course, to make that happen, rests with those of us who have the direct connection to Gottschee. I, being a member of the last generation born there, who is blessed to have learned and practiced the Gottscheer dialect (thanks to my wise parents) all my life, make it a point to talk about Gottschee and the Gottscheers at every available opportunity. You know what I have learned? People cannot get enough of our history, culture and tragedy of loosing ones homeland. So, I am a firm believer that there is hope for the younger generation but at the same time we, as parents and grandparents can definitely help the matter along.

Urska. I would appreciate any suggestions that you might have which could involve the sharing of the Gottscheer culture, include songs and tales, in your region and would be happy to help you to accomplish this important contributiion. Lets face it the Gottscheers were part of the region for 630. An now, after many years and through the joint efforts of many Gottscheers in Slovenia and throughout the world AND our Slovenian friends and neighbors we are working hard to preserve, share and honor the legacy of our ancestors who "lived, worked and loved the land".

I am very pleased to read that your grandfather is still with you. I have forgotten his name. Would you mind sharing it and also his age? During the time spent with him have you ever recorded his memories of life in Gottschee? Would be a wonderful project and I, for one, would love to read all about it.

- 209.240.237.151 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 14:54:53 (UTC)

Trix:
PART III
- 209.240.237.151 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 14:56:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Oops: PART III
And finally, Urska, I hope that you will consider becoming active in one of the 2 Gottscheer Clubs in Slovenia. As you probably know the Peter Kosler Gottscheer Verein handles the restorations and many other important activities for the western region of the former Gottschee and the Altsiedler Gottscheer Verein for the eastern part. They, and all of us who support and follow their outstanding work would benefit greatly from your contributions, enthusiasm and wisdom. PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT.

Have a good day. It is beautiful here.
- 209.240.237.151 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 14:58:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well there you have it Urska-and I know this will embaress Trix, but how bout everyone give 3 cheers for Trix....The Gottscheers helping, supporting and remembering and contributing-if the whole world took this as part of life, what a wonderful world it would be-indeed....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 20:24:05 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, and Three times 3 cheers for Trix for all the good work she has done, and all the others too.
Hope to meet Trix in person sometime soon.
To: John Tschinkel of N.Y. I believe we are related. Is your wifes name Doris and her mother is Pauli Stiene, of
Brooklyn. Pauli is my first cousin. Her mother Maria Kump
and my father Matthias Ramor are brother and sister.
Is anyone going to Gottsche in late \Aug. early Sept. it would be nice to know of others that might be going.
It is 4;20 on a Wed. afternoon and sign out now, have a
great week.
- 24.71.160.198 - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 23:19:41 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank You Paul and Regina and cheers to you too. Remember that we are ALL in this together and that;s the reason is works so well.
- 209.240.237.145 - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 01:43:48 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Open Letter to the GHGA
To: Elizabeth Nick, President, Sophia Stalzer-Wyant (Trix), Director

As you may recall, I resigned my life membership in the GHGA when you and your Board decided to become a member the Gottscheer Arbeitsgemeinschaft (AG), headquartered in Klagenfurt, Austria.

When you joined the AG, you were aware that it was a political organization, actively antagonistic toward the Slovene government and that it had as members former Nazis, among them former SS Sturmbannführer Wilhelm Lampeter.

It has now become public knowledge that Lampeter was assigned by Himmler to an SS Unit in Buchenwald, one of the most notorious Nazi concentration and extermination camps. This happened after he completed the task of deceiving the Gottscheer to move into Nazi occupied and ethnically cleansed Slovenia in the winter of 1941/42.

And further, on 1/1/45, he was selected to serve in the Headquarters of the SS under Heinrich Himmler.

While you were aware that Lampeter was a former SS officer when you joined the AG, I trust you were not aware of his assignment to the Buchenwald camp after he accomplished the Gottscheer Ingathering task.

You may also not have been aware that Lampeter, now recently deceased, recommended to Himmler that 16 members of the Gottscheer leadership group, of which he was Head, be taken into the SS. Their role between 1942-1945 is being researched and the findings will be made public.

- 205.188.208.165 - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 17:57:22 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Open Letter to the GHGA, (cont'd)
To: Elizabeth Nick, President, Sophia Stalzer-Wyant (Trix), Director

But you were aware that Lampeter, as well as Richard Lackner, Chief of Staff of Lampeters leadership group and Ludwig Kren, contributor to the Gottscheer Zeitung when it was under Lampeter, were made "Honored Members" and Cultural Advisers" in the AG. Lampeter was even awarded a medal by the AG.

And you surely were aware that Lampeter, Lackner and Kren actively participated in policy meetings of the AG leadership. These meetings, their attendance and agendas were published in the Gottscheer Zeitung. Some were devoted exclusively to policy toward Slovenia and included Avgust Gril, the Leader of the Altsiedler Verein which is a member of the AG and a recipient of GHGA membership funds.

In spite of knowing all this and without consulting your general membership, you joined the AG.

In view of the above, I expect you will resign your membership in the AG since it is certain the general public will not react kindly, knowing that you are part of an organization that honors such individuals. I believe that you need to do this to prevent embarrassment to your membership and the Gottscheer at large, most of which were received with open arms as refugees in the USA, a country that lost so much blood in freeing the world of the brutal Nazis dictatorship.

And please remember, when we became citizens of the USA, we swore allegiance to the flag of the country that gave us new hope and new opportunities. This should be particularly apparent to the Board of Directors of the GHGA that includes a retired officer of the US Army.

John Tschinkel

- 205.188.208.171 - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 17:59:47 (UTC)

Helmuth:
John, Regina G. asked you a question before your posts, did you see it? (5 previous).

Hope everyone is having a good summer, now that the rain has finally stopped.

Remember, if you are having a problem with repeated posts, clear out your cache (temporary files) and re-bookmark the page.
- 170.201.180.35 - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 18:48:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Frank-Been wanting to ask you; where exactly is the glendale playground???
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 19:42:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I know this is going over old ground, and I ought to have my head examined for trying again, but I am nothing if not stubborn. There are many issues that are being discussed at cross purposes in several of the recent postings.

To the issue of Herr Lampeter and other Gottscheers accused by Mr. Tschinkel, I fully expect that there were elements of the Gottscheer leadership who collaborated with the Nazis during the war. Some were more involved than others and most were probably duped by the Nazi propaganda machine. A handful or two may have been more active in their participation. To those in the last category, may their guilt weigh heavy on them if they are still living and may God decide how they are to be handled if they are now gone. Diatribe and vitriol will not accomplish anything.

With respect to landrights in Gottschee, it is a moot point for most of us since we have been in the United States from a time well before the sad events of World War ll. Still other Gottscheers have already been reimbursed for the lands and goods they lost by the German government. I am not an expert on the international laws governing the Gottscheer lands in Slovenia. I only wish that we, Gottscheers, be handled in the same manner as similar minorities in the area. We should not be discriminated against based on our German/ Austrian/ Gottscheer heritage.

Putting aside any considerations of moral/legal rights or wrongs, if every German who once lived in the lands outside the current boundaries of modern Germany were to assert their rights to past territory, significant parts of many "Eastern European" countries would have to be ceded back to Germany. Large areas of Poland were part of the German crown while significant German populations were present in Czechoslovakia, Romania, and even Russia to name a few. There would be chaos to say the least. ----- Just food for thought.

- 64.12.96.104 - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 20:05:28 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Paul B:
The Glendale Playground is on Central Avenue & 70th Street.

- 152.163.253.5 - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 21:31:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Wow Frank, We've been away too long--it took my wife and I alittle time to figure out Central and 70th St. Now if this was 1952 I would never believe this story...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 02:57:00 (UTC)

Thomas Stalzer:
It's a different John Tschinkel that Regina is related too.
I am friends w/ the John Tschinkel she mentions, and it's
not the same person.

- 67.31.22.44 - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 04:42:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello Thomas ~
Glad to see you are still monitoring the PZ, even though you haven't participated in a long time.
Would you please send me an e-mail -- I've lost your address - because I have a question I'd like to ask you.Thanks! ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.235.188 - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 17:08:20 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy Sunday everyone......
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 17:52:38 (UTC)

Trix:
The same to you Paul and all others who visit here.
- 209.240.245.152 - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 22:08:11 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Hi Everyone:
It's very humid and breezy in New York.
How was everyone weekend?
- 64.12.96.201 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 00:59:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening to you Frank and others who may be joining us. Pretty darn hot here in Minnesota too but definitely better than yesterday. What a beast of a day it was.
Very hot and dry in Europe too. Daughter Amy called in from Salzburg, Austria today. They have had very warm weather but rain in that beautiful city this afternoon. They need it.
So, what's new with you all? Hope you will share.
- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:23:32 (UTC)

Jim:
Hello to everyone. It has been hot in NJ as well but it promises to get more tolerable by tomorrow. I hope the weekend went well.
- 152.163.253.67 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:26:11 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello people

- 199.243.152.166 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:28:36 (UTC)

Jim:
Hi, Sharon. Any luck on the wayward Eisenzopf members?
- 152.163.253.36 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:30:36 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
no luck
- 199.243.152.166 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:30:52 (UTC)

Jim:
Anyone know exactly where Prezid is? I know it is in the Gottschee area but I am not sure where it is. It is not on the GHGA Gottschee map and is probably in one of the adjacent parishes.
- 152.163.252.167 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:32:10 (UTC)

Jim:
Sharon, I have several branches on my father's side that seemed to go nowhere. I finally contacted an uncle in Arizona and I thought that might be a breakthrough but no luck.
- 152.163.253.2 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:33:46 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim. I have never heard of Prezid? What makes you think it is in the former Gottscheer region? Can't wait to learn more about this village.
- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:39:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Guten Abend, everyone.
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:42:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ridy. Great to have you with us tonight. How is everything in Toronto and surrounding areas? Did you get to meet Erik Krisch while he spent a week with Norbert Lackner?
- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:43:50 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hello to all. Hit over 100 in KC this afternoon. We've only had about .10" rain in July. The old record is .25 so may break it.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:44:42 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Sharon. Can't help much on your great aunt Maria but just sent you a picture of another of your ancestors.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:47:14 (UTC)

Jim:
I have seen the town with names that could have come originally from Gottschee. I think it may be just south of Gottschee in Croatia but am not sure.
- 152.163.252.98 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:48:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
I was in Kitchener the week Erik Krisch was here and had another engagement when he was at the Alpine Club
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:49:05 (UTC)

Jim:
Google.com had some hits but I wish I had a better site for maps and looking up places. I have a CD Atlas but it is not a very good one.
- 152.163.252.65 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:49:58 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim - I haven't even been able to find Collie, Australia on my map....
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:53:50 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello everyone. We had a nice rain Saturday afternoon and a little shower this afternoon, and it has cooled off nicely today. Had a nice vacation in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois visiting family homesteads and second and third cousins. Our two days in Milwakee were fun also, could spend more time there.
- 152.163.252.37 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:55:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi folks-quiet tonite, eh? Almost ten o'clock on L.I. in N.Y. We just got back from dinner at what used to be our favorite German Restaurant The company was great-the food so so.. One out of seven was satisfied.. Gotta learn to stay with the items we know we like at these places to avoid being disappointed....Tomorrow we eat at home-never a disappointment there here!!Anybody around yet??
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:57:17 (UTC)

Ridy:
Nice to have you back home, Marilu! I'm assuming you drive when you visit so many places in one trip?
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:58:38 (UTC)

Jim:
Collie is in western Australia. You can find online sites with google.com. I used the advanced search method and put in the words, Collie Austria map location.
- 152.163.252.198 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:58:51 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks Jim - I shall try that.
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 01:59:35 (UTC)

Trix:
Well Paul, we haven't talked about food for quite a while. So, what did you have that was so, so?
- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:00:30 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes, Ridy. My sister drove and I was the navigator. We had a good time. Next weekend I shall be gone again for an Underberg reunion in Sioux Falls South Dakota. I will be taking orders for the Underberg book, so I will be busy printing for the next couple of months.
- 152.163.252.230 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:01:52 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Marilu: Before I forget the 2004 North American Gottscheer Treffen will be hosted by the Milwaukee Gottscheer and German members. They do a GREAT job complete with homemade Torten (the best pastry, I think). Maybe a good time for your next visit?
- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:02:18 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hello Jim. I think I found an internet site to help you with Prezid. Go to http://mappoint.msn.com/(pbqur1ugcwoxe5v52tzxvi45)/map.aspx?L=WLD&C=45.64333%2c14.57524&A=215.00000&P=|972AD2|&TI=Prezid%2c+Croatia
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:03:54 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I would love to try and make it to that, but we have a big family reunion in Minnesota next year. My mothers brothers and sisters, and we are also going to have one for my brothers and sister and all of our kids and grandkids. It will be a busy week. When is the treffen in Milwakee. Ours is the last week of July.
- 152.163.252.193 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:05:05 (UTC)

Ridy:
And don't forget the 2003 Gottscheer Treffen in Cleveland this coming Labor Day weekend! Some of my best customers are from the Cleveland area. Can you believe that July is almost over, and then there's just August before Labor Day is upon us. Anyone else notice how fast time is flying these days?
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:05:26 (UTC)

Jim:
Ridy, spoke too soon. There are two towns named Collie in Australia. One is in the southwestern section near Perth while the other is near to Sydney. Can't tell which one is the correct one.
- 152.163.253.7 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:07:44 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
so is the Milwaukee treffen on Labor day weekend also?
- 152.163.252.132 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:07:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Greg - Thanks for the info to Jim! I found Prezid on the web page you sent! Merci~
Jim - it's the Collie in Western Australia and so I would think it's near Perth - right? My geography is tres rusty!
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:09:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Marilu - it's cast in stone that the Treffen is always on Labor Day weekend.
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:10:11 (UTC)

Jim:
Gregg, Thank you. It confirms that Prezid is right on the border of Croatia with Slovenia. I have bookmarked that site for further use. Time to go for now. I hope everyone has a good week.
- 152.163.252.163 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:11:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gute Nacht, Jim! Have a good week.
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:12:09 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
thanks, Ridy. I will have to see what I can arrange for next summer. I think my hot tub is calling me right now, and my bed soon after. It has been a busy weekend with company. grandson Matt is still here.
- 152.163.253.2 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:14:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
My wife and one niece had roasr chicken with sour gravy and potaoe balls--chicken was BLAH----Fried pork cutlet was like arock Gravy was PSSSST----the only non complainant hadweiner schnitzle, and ate every drop..Now I can't understand why my nephew didn.t like his hause platter if various wursts and Kassler Ripchen-which I did not understand, but to each his own,, Now to give this place some credit--I was there on Friday-had Roast brauten and it was delicious-Adie had Prime Rib and it was great also--maybe different cooks that day??I don't want to sound prejudiced, but, we had half of this same party with us at Bella Napoli last nite and the plates were wiped clean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:17:42 (UTC)

Ridy:
No hot tub here, alas, but I'm almost ready to hit the sack as well, even though it's still early.
Gute Nacht, everyone- and see you next Sunday evening.
- 64.229.235.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:18:23 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Well Good Nite everyone---have to go now.....You all have a good week now................
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:19:59 (UTC)

Trix:
I join all others to say Good Night and wish y ou all a GREAT week. Think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.245.152 - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 02:49:08 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am looking for a former chatroom visitor. If Heinrich Stalzer from Connecticut still checks in, there is cousin from Vienna who would like to reconnect with your family. I tried the email address that I had, but it no longer worked.
- 152.163.252.227 - Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:52:49 (UTC)

Paul B.:
will the next one to come on please try to e-mail me at satch_7@msn.com I am having trouble getting mail in and out!! thank You.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 22:07:22 (UTC)

:
Ridy: Deine Heisse Wanne ist im Kommen.
- 172.201.231.56 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 01:53:04 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Everything is back in shape on my PC...Wonder whatever did we do without computors for so many years of our lives????
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 02:18:55 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings to you Paul and all others. Interesting question you ask - like what did we do without computers. Well, I can think of some stuff like:

a. We visited with family and friends.
b. We communicated with children.
c. We played cards in the evenings.
d. We wrote letters in bautiful hand writing.
e. We laughed and worked together.
f. Kids helped in the kitchen
g. I could actually read my handwriting then.
h. etc etc etc

BUT, just like you I LOVE Tillie II (my computer).

As always, thanks Paul for your wisdom.
- 209.240.245.130 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 03:45:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
TRIX: There is a huge other reason for the demise ofyour A to H---Think about it---TELEVISION!! My cousin frank thinks it is the main reason.. Just the other nite, whrn Adie and I had gone to the german Restaurant--we pass Franks' house on the way there--on the way back I wanted to stop by for just a short visit..Adie says, "Oh no, they may just be watching something on TV and we will interrupt their nite...How I miss those days of pleasant surprise visits-they were the ones that always ended up being the best parties in our family....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 03:57:38 (UTC)

Ridy:
Au Weh! Such a mistake I made!
First I read that "Deine Heiße Wonne ist im Kommen" and I was overjoyed, naturally. Then I realized the message read "Deine Heisse Wanne ist im Kommen" -- so tell me where Kommen ist so that I can go and find my hot tub already! On second thought, I think I'll just try to stay out of hot water, come what may.....
- 64.229.252.167 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 04:49:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Here it is 12:04 In the A.M. Where did the week go?? And Ridy didn't find the hot tub yet..Don't give up Ridy-Maybe you will get one for Christmas...My neighbor wants meto share theirs--no thank you, I said....I won't sit im my own tub--just showers-and many in this lousy heat...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 04:09:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is now 5:10P.M. of the same day (THURS) Anyone about?Lovely day here in L.I., N.Y.
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 21:12:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Keep watching the Plauderzimmer for latest news on Mars to earth / Earth to mars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, August 01, 2003 at 03:42:39 (UTC)

Trix:
Thank You Paul for Sharing this with all of us. Quite fascinating!!!

MARS SPECTACULAR

The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, Earth is
catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest
approach between the two planets in recorded history.
The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way
Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, the astronomers
can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the last
5,000 years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens again.
The encounter will culminate on Aug. 27th when Mars comes to within
34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be(next to the Moon) the brightest
object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and will appear
25.11 arc
seconds wide at a modest 75-power magnification. Mars will look as large as
the full moon to the naked eye. Mars will be easy to spot. At the beginning
of August it will rise in the east at 10 PM. By the end of August when the
two planets are closest, Mars will rise at
nightfall and reach its highest point in the sky at 12:30 AM., that's pretty
convenient to see something that no human being has seen in recorded
history. SO mark
your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively
brighter and brighter throughout the month.
Share this with your family and friends. NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER
SEE THIS AGAIN. WOW!

.

- 209.240.245.164 - Friday, August 01, 2003 at 03:54:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend to everyone-and pleasant weather, I hope..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 18:45:45 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi everyone
- 152.163.253.70 - Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 19:20:13 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
any gottscheers out there today
- 152.163.252.37 - Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 19:20:47 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello Doris!
Our usual chat time is Sunday evenings, starting about 9 o'clock. You'll find more of us on at that time, and I hohpe you can join us then! Your name is new to me. . . have you been on before? I do hope you'll become a regular!
- 64.229.234.219 - Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 19:27:15 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi hi, no I am new to this website, I found it by accident, I am originally from Ridgewood NY,now I am on Staten Island
- 64.12.96.77 - Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 20:42:14 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello,I grew up on Gates Avenue and went to St.Brigid's. My direct ancestors are Schauer and Koenig but I have Kinkopfs in my family tree as well. The Koenig side is related to the Koenigs who owned the restaurants in the old neighborhood and in Floral Park, Long Island.
- 64.12.96.234 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 00:27:55 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi jim,I grew up on Palmetto and Fresh Pond, do you know the names of the Kinkopfs and Koenigs you are related too
- 152.163.253.97 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 00:46:22 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Haven't been logging on for some time. Hope all are well. Still hot and humid in KCMO. Had a tiny bit of rain on Friday.
- 65.58.53.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 00:59:48 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dear Doris,
I was the grandnephew to Victor Koenigs. The Kinkopfs were a little further back. I can check to see if we are related if you can give me the names of your ancestors who came over. The Schauers and Koenigs came from the Unterwarmberg and surrounding parishes. Your Kinkopfs probably came from the same area. If you don't want to post their names on the board, my email address in DocH301454@aol.com .
- 64.12.96.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:01:09 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Actually, I am the grandnephew to Uncle Victor. He passed away some time ago. His brother was my godfather.
- 64.12.96.167 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:02:07 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi all
- 152.163.252.167 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:03:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Margaret. It appears to be hot and humid for a large part of the country including New Jersey. It is the same forecast for most of next week. Very hot, humid, and with severe thunderstorms later in the day.

- 64.12.96.166 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:03:31 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi jim, thanks.... my dad's name is frank kinkopf his parents are Johan u Magdalena Kinkopf geb. Petsche and they came from Komutzen, Gottschee
- 152.163.252.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:04:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
To all: If anyone ever comes this way (KC) you must try the German food at the Berliner Bear on Wornall Rd. Now I'm no gourmet when it comes to German food, but I'm told it is very adequate.
- 65.58.53.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:05:11 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Doris. Good to see you on. As Ridy posted, you can leave messages at this site at anytime of the week but there is a better chance of having a chat on Sunday nights. What grammar school did you go to? Was it St. Matt's? I used to use the public library in your area. It was a good jog from Gates between Irving and Knickerbocker.
- 64.12.96.168 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:05:14 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, I have your father and his parents in file. I am checking to see how we are related.
- 64.12.96.230 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:06:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Doris: So glad you found the plauderzimmer. I log on as Jonke (maiden name) but married name is Murphy. Too odd for the PZ. Hope you find lots of friends here. My father and his family are from Kumerdorf. Maybe you have relatives from there. Bleib gesund.
- 65.58.53.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:07:26 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
I did not know that there was a gottscheer plauderzimmer , since when does this exist
- 152.163.253.104 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:08:38 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Helmuth Kump founded it many years ago. At least five or six. I am not sure of the exact year but someone else will know.

I ran a kinship check and am very surprised to find out that we are not related (currently). We share many of the same names in our trees and from the same area. There may be a link in the earlier generations.
- 64.12.96.171 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:11:02 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Doris: I'm not sure how long the plauderzimmer has been on. You can check with Trix, Ridy, or Jim. They are "our leaders" on the PZ. There are lots of Gottscheers around, believe me.
- 65.58.53.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:11:04 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
I went to OLMM grammer school.
- 152.163.252.134 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:11:10 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
So where is everyone from?
- 152.163.253.40 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:11:55 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Really must log off. Wonderful to find new friends and old friends here. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.58.53.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:12:19 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
You are distantly related to at least two of the Chatroom participants --- John Herbst and Ridy Hogler Skyrme.
- 64.12.96.102 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:12:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Margaret, have a good evening and week.
- 64.12.96.72 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:12:53 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
jim, I bet somehow , somewhere we probably are related
- 152.163.252.166 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:13:26 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
bye Margaret, hope we can chat again soon
- 152.163.252.229 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:14:04 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, your father may have known my ancestors. However, most of the Schauers from Oberwarmberg #15 and the Koenigs from Komutzen #21 had already moved to the United States by the time your father was born.
- 64.12.96.201 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:14:30 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
jim, who are John Herbst and Ridy Hogler Skyrme and how are we related??
- 152.163.252.166 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:14:59 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
can you check if you are related to an emmerich koenig
- 152.163.252.133 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:15:51 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, someone in the chat room once said that we are all related if you go back far enough. I think that is especially true if you were from the same village or parish. It probably isn't as true if you came from widely separated parishes.
- 64.12.96.77 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:16:06 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
John hasn't posted tonight and Ridy posted a response to your initial chatroom posting.
- 64.12.96.73 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:16:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi everyone!
I've been in and out of the Plauderzimmer since about 1998 and I know it existed long before my arrival in it. So Jim tells us you and I are related, Doris -- that's marvellous! Wonder how far back our kinship goes? I was born in Kukendorf, and my mother's family is from Ebental.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:17:05 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
that is very true..so how often does this room meet??
- 152.163.252.7 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:17:53 (UTC)

Tom Koller:
While I am not a true Gottscheer, I too grew up in Ridgewood with Gottscheer friends who were close enough for me to count on them as family. While looking for them on the net, I came across this site and am posting here in hopes one of them sees it sometime soon.

In the meantime, reading the posts and looking around has brought many, many memories back. My family is German in origin, yet was accepted as family by those I lived around. People like Tante Vera (nee Maetzle) and Onkel Peter Bell and the Sandor's Onkel Paul and Tante Sophie were as much moms and dads to me as my own mom was (though I doubt at the time that I felt that way about them.) Their love and attitudes helped shape me into who I am today and I am thankful that they and their families were part of my life.

Should anyone come across any of them or recognize the name, please feel free to email me at Tk2858@aol.com or thomas.a.koller@usps.gov. Thanks
- 56.0.141.101 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:17:56 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
John is your seventh cousin once removed, Ridy is you sixth cousin, Emmerich is your 5th and 6th cousin which means you have at least two family connections.
- 64.12.96.6 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:19:01 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
my dad's family comes from komutzen
- 152.163.252.132 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:19:18 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Tom, Some of those people have posted on the bulletin board section of this site. You may be able to find an email address or two by using the search function and putting in those names.

Doris, I am Emmerich's sixth cousin and sixth cousin once removed.
- 64.12.96.14 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:21:46 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
o my god, I can't believe this, emmerich koenig is my onkel by marriage. His wife is Santi Koenig, from woodbine street.
- 152.163.252.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:21:52 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello Tom ~
Stick around and join in -- we have other Gottscheer-wanna-bes who come into this chat room.
On which side of the family are Doris and I related, Jim? Christopher finally got my Family Tree software installed for me again, and I think I'm going to have to reload all the information into it again..... one of these days soon. It seems that I manage to make some serious booboo on the computer with alarming frequency these days. Whole files disappear without a trace -- until Christopher finds them for me.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:22:54 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, if you would like a copy of the information that I have in file about your family, just send me your email address and I can send it as a text file attachment. A great deal of the information is there because of the good work done by the GHGA, and its members.
- 64.12.96.206 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:23:54 (UTC)

Tom Koller:
I have done that Jim, but thanks anyhow. I did try the mail adresses for Loretta V Bell, Peter H Bell and Heidi Mayer alas, either my mail was returned or the email has not been read yet. I did post at the St. Matthias sight, I graduated there in 1972.
- 56.0.141.101 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:24:34 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
so how are the Ridgewood Gottscheers doing these days, haven't been in the old neighborhood in a while
- 152.163.252.68 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:24:47 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
jim my email is dkinkopf@aol.com. that would be great if you don't mind
- 152.163.252.165 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:25:33 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Good evening everyone& welcome to the PZ Doris. You will find the nicest people here...Jim: I see you are related to Victor koenig-the way i heard it Victor was raised in Verderb, the same town as my Father-in-law Johann Jaklitsch,,My wife disagrees-do you know if Victor indeed did come from Verderb...Had many a good dinner there in his restaurant on Tyson Ave. and numerous wedding and birthday parties....It's a small world after all....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:25:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello everyone
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:25:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
Tom - I have an e-mail address for Peter Bell - I'll send it to you, in case it's one that you're looking for.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:26:23 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, what is Santi Koenig's maiden name? I have Emmerich in file and I may have Santi as well but I am not sure.

Ridy, I have no idea which side of the family you link up one. It is a distant relation and I have no quick way to look it up. If you can tell me what information you are missing, I can send you a GED file that you can download and put back into the program.
- 64.12.97.6 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:26:36 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi paul hi sharon
- 152.163.252.68 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:26:38 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
santi kinkopf, she is my dad's sister
- 152.163.253.3 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:27:05 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
this is so exciting, I always ask my aunts, if we more relatives, but no one knows, since my grandmother and her sisters were not that close
- 152.163.253.5 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:29:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Sharon and Paul.
- 64.12.96.38 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:30:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
hi jim
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:30:40 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
so what does everyone do for a living??
- 152.163.252.225 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:31:33 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
I work for WESTDEUTSCHE LANDESBANK
- 152.163.253.69 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:32:17 (UTC)

Tom Koller:
Ridy, please do that, thanks.
- 56.0.141.101 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:32:32 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
does anyone know my cousin maryann koenig calov ???
- 152.163.252.162 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:33:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim ~
I haven't been on the computer all that much since Christopher put the FTM back on this machine and I haven't checked just where the missing pieces are. Thanks for offering to send them yet again - I'll probably be e-mailing you and SOS one of these days soon.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:33:25 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Dear Doris, I am a physician and work at a hospital in northeast New Jersey. I have not been back to Ridgewood for any length of time. The houses are much the same and the old brick ones are holding up quite well. Many of the Gottscheers have moved out but there are still pockets here and there.
- 64.12.96.47 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:35:32 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ridy what was Kitcherner ont. name before they changed it. Mom was telling me about it before but doesn't remember the name
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:36:00 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, the family file is on your computer.
- 64.12.96.168 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:36:27 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Evening everyone and greetings from Minnesota where, too, we are having weird weather. One moment sunshine, the next rain and hail. Oh, well - can't do much about it I guess.

It appears that I am the only one born in the Moschnitze area of the former Gottschee chatting tonight. Nice to see you all including Tom and Doris.

Your ask what everyone is doing for a living? I am a 7/24 caregiver to my husband who is in the advanced stages of Parkinson. In addition I dabble in Project Gottschee and enjoy working with my colleague Dr. Jim who is an excellent and generous volunteer genealogist.

- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:36:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Trix I have a wonderful surprise for you that I will be sending in the mail in the future.
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:37:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Doris: you write: I work for WESTDEUTSCHE LANDESBANK. Is this a German bank with an office in the USA or? Do you know what the exchange is for Dollar to Euro? Danke.
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:38:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Sharon and Paul!
Doris - I'm a Senior and try to do as little as possible! Actually went on a Seniors bus tour and boat cruise this past week to the Thousand Islands and enjoyed it thoroughly. I figure once you've been on one of those day trips, you are officially a Senior! Loved the company.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:38:56 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Was it Berlin, Ontario?
- 64.12.96.203 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:39:38 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I think we may have lost Doris. She is probably knee deep in Kinkopfs at the current time.
- 64.12.96.11 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:40:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Mom said it was some German name and that they changed it because it was bad or something along that line
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:40:26 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sharon -
Kitchener was once called Berlin. I think it was changed after WWI. When we came over in 1948, you could still walk into a store and be served in German!
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:41:18 (UTC)

Trix:
Sharon, I need it. Can't wait. Hope you are ok. Am still thinking about the need to drive to Ft. Frances, find a Gottscheerin and enjoy their nummy Chinese food. You never know.
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:41:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well I hate to tell you this but the business went under last Sunday
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:42:32 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, Ridy is being too modest. She is the resident author and has written a great book about the Resettlement period and the years after World War II.
- 64.12.97.12 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:42:40 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, very exciting to read about your excursions. Did you wear that beautiful long black dress? I got a sleeveless one and LOVE IT. Thanks and hope you are doing wonderful.
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:43:09 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi guys, I am back and totally amazed with the Kinkopf Family Tree
- 152.163.252.8 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:44:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Sharon, I am sorry. I guess the economy is tough all over isn't it?

Anyone know of anyone who may have attended the Gottscheer Kultur Woche gathering in Klagenfurt, Austria this past week?
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:44:36 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
Jim where did you get this information,I can't believe how far back we actually go,
- 152.163.252.99 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:45:10 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
the place wasn't managed properly.
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:45:49 (UTC)

Trix:
Tom, you mentioned Sophie Sandor. Is she the former Sophie Tramposch from Hohenegg?
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:45:52 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I have tramposch in my tree
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:46:31 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
this is sooooooo cool,I can't wait to show this to the rest of the kinkopfs, I feel like a little kid who found a bag of chocolate
- 152.163.253.97 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:46:52 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Have to take a break. There is a slice of "Fruits of the Forest" pie with my name on it. We bought it at the Alpine house in the Hawley area.
- 64.12.96.8 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:46:53 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
I wish there were more gottscheers here on staten island
- 152.163.252.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:47:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
Thanks, Jim!
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:49:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Winnipeg is having their Multi-cultral festival on right now. They showed on girl in her alpine dress
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:50:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
a girl sorry
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:51:01 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
so did anyone go to the gottscheer picnic in june
- 152.163.253.1 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:52:53 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi Trix, sorry for the delay, Yes Westdeutsche Landesbank is a German bank here in NY, but sorry I don't know the exchange rate, as I am in the Securities Area
- 152.163.252.200 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:54:47 (UTC)

Ridy:
Trix
I've sent you the website for the currency converter I use
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:57:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Almost 10:00 P.M. in N.Y. Guess everybody is signing off early tonite......Have a good week everyone..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:59:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
I had an aunt by marriage whose name was Aloisia Tramposch Hoegler -
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:00:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Doris -
I live in Toronto, Canada, and am not too familiar with Staten Island. By chance, the NYT has a write-up on it in their real estate section today Have you seen it?
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:01:54 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
no I did not, but what did it say
- 152.163.252.99 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:03:54 (UTC)

Ridy:
check out http://www.nytimes.com/ - it's on the right hand side, complete with a photo
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:06:11 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy - Thanks for the converter. It works like a charm.
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:07:50 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am back. Doris, concerning the file. Some of the sources are listed at the end of the file while others and acknowledgements are listed in the opening paragraphs. Have fun with it.
- 64.12.96.199 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:08:20 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
ridy, I live close to New Dorp, which is the town named in that article, I am about 20 mins south of New Dorp
- 152.163.252.193 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:09:41 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, I have been to the last two picnics but missed this year. The attendance was way down because of the rainy weather but I heard the crowd was spirited and had a good time.
- 64.12.96.76 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:09:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
I've needed to use it for a couple of recent book sales - one to England and one to Australia! Must admit I never expected to receive a book order all the way from Australia!
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:09:51 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
Jim I just emailed the file to my sister, so she can show it to my dad,
- 152.163.252.130 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:10:07 (UTC)

GERRY STUDIER:
ANYONE KNOW THE ADDRESS OF FRED AND IRMA CERNE (TSCHERNE)
OR, BY IRMA'S MAIDEN NAME, VERDERBER. THE VERDERBERS USED
TO OWN AN ICE CREAM PARLOUR ON MYRTLE AVE NEAR THE RIDGEWOOD
THEATRE.
- 198.81.26.167 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:11:06 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
just think, give the gottscheers good music and good drinks, they would never notice the bad weather.
- 152.163.252.133 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:11:10 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Doris, I guess that is not a bad thing. You have to know how to party every now and then. I am interested in your family's response to the information. If there are any mistakes, just let me know. It should be accurate (but, again, not perfect).
- 64.12.96.166 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:15:41 (UTC)

Ridy:
Saw an old movie yesterday - The Yellow Rolls Royce -- had forgotten the beautiful scenery in the third segment which must have been filmed in Slovenia, near Gottschee. It sure looked familiar!
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:16:04 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Gerry try using people finder at msn.ca
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:16:08 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Gerry, I think I remember the ice cream parlour. I certainly remember the theatre. I used to see quite a few movies at the Ridgewood and the Madison cinemas. Sorry I can't help you with the Tschernes. You might try posting something on the Bulletin Board.
- 64.12.97.11 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:18:25 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
well regarding all of my dads siblings, it is totally correct. Which I am very surprised about, since my dad had (has) a sister that died at the age of 2, but everyone seems to forget that
- 152.163.252.132 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:18:38 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy: Did you ever read the book about the Gottscheer Women after the war written by Ingrid Kaiser Kaplaner? Would be interested in your comments.
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:20:07 (UTC)

:
gerry, where was this ice cream parlor located
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:21:07 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
talking about ice cream is making me hungry for some
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:21:47 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
I already had a bowl, vanilla/peanut butter and a little white zinfandel for flavor
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:23:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yes Trix - borrowed it from somewhere (probably the library at the University a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly.) I don't think it was just about Gottscheer women -- wasn't terribly impressed by it. If I'm thinking of the right book (there's always a chance it wasn't the one you're talking about) it was pretty thin.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:23:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
It's time for my Betthupferl as well -- hot chocolate as usual, and I think I'll pass on the Kaluha tonight. . . .need to get my sleep and that stuff seems to keep me awake lately.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:25:34 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
I need to go too, have to get up at 4am for work again. Is this Plauderzimmer open every Sunday at 9pm
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:27:59 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I found a book of my Grandfather's called Eine Dunkle Tat written Levin Schucking
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:28:31 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Speaking of zinfandel, does anyone know the name of the grape that is or was grown in the Gottschee area or Tschernembl? The red zinfandel grape from which white zinfandel is made is the same grape that is grown in Italy and is called the primitivo grape. It makes a very good red wine called Zinfandel in California (not white zinfandel). Anyhow--- the reason I ask is that zinfandel/primitovo is the same grape that is grown in Croatia right near Gottschee. The grape may have originally come from the old home country.
- 64.12.96.237 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:29:29 (UTC)

Trix:
Good Night everyone. Have a GREAT week and think HAPPY THOUGHTS.
- 209.240.245.129 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:29:32 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
what is the book about??
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:29:34 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good night to all. It was a fun chat tonight. I hope everyone has a good week.
- 64.12.96.7 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:30:35 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I have no idea its all in German
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:31:09 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
good night everyone, thank you for the family tree and hope to speak to all of u soon. THANK YOU :)))
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:31:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jim my Dad told me that one of my Grandpa's photo that the background has grapevines in it.
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:31:49 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
sharon, can you get the book in any book store
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:32:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I think my Grandpa brought the book over with him in 1927
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:32:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gute Nacht, everyone!
Hope we can all meet again next Sunday evening.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:33:51 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
goodnight Ridy
- 199.243.152.32 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:34:16 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
save that gift
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:34:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gute Nacht, everyone!
Hope we can all meet again next Sunday evening.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:34:43 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
once again Thanks everyone :))) and good night
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:35:21 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
und noch mals vielen vielen dank
- 67.26.27.13 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:35:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Levin Schucking, deutscher Schriftsteller (1814-1883).
If the above is the author of the book you mention, Sharon, the book is even older than I am. . . .
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 02:39:37 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, everyone I just came on line and it is 5 to nine only.
I saw that Ridy is from Canada also I am here in Kamloops, B.C. We are having a bad forest fire near us the sky a couple of days looked like an atomic blast mushroom cloud,
and today more people were evacuated from surrounding areas into our small city. Ridy you may have seen some of this news on the national. Thank God no lives have been lost.
Our sky is very smoky in the last two days.
Is anyone going to Llublana, Slovenia? In the next month or so. I am thinking of going to Rodine and the area were Reichenau use to be.
Oh no the news is saying 2000 more people are to eavacuate
the town of Armstrong. About 80 homes have burned up.
Our whole Provence is declared in a state of emergency help.
Kamloops is in a pretty good place and they believe we are o.k.
I must come on line earlier yet!
Hope all is well with everyone.

- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 04:07:30 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Regina ~
Yes - we've been watching the terrible forest fires on TV and the newspapers are carrying full coverage as well, of course.
Can you please send me an e-mail at ridy@sympatico.ca
so that I can respond to you. I don't usually check or post messages in the Plauderzimmer during the week - sometimes - but not on a regular basis.
- 64.229.234.219 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 14:00:56 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
There seems to be a lot of conversation missing when I access the Plauderzimmer. For instance, I checked in today and the entries I see start at 2:05 on August 4 (today). I can get to the archived entries, but they end with May 2003. How do I get to the entries from May - August? Help, help.

I sympathize those of you in areas with forest fires. Our recent fires near Tucson, AZ area destroyed the mountain getaway area that was an escape from the heat for everyone in the summer, and a wonderful sports area in the winter. We watched the flames glowing all along the mountain for several weeks, and had smoke and ash where we live. We mourned not only for the people whose homes, businesses and weekend cabins were lost, but also for the animals! Our local chapter of Project Linus delivered security blankets to all of the children who had been evacuated from the mountain. Of course it's not cold in Tucson, but those children sure clutched them for comfort!
- 12.83.103.183 - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 20:43:17 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
just think, give the gottscheers good music and good drinks, they would never notice the bad weather.
- 152.163.252.133 - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 00:40:43 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Dear Gerry Studier: I am so happy to have a friend like Trix of Minnesota who noticed your message and forwarded same to me. Please contact me at aecerne@aol.com. Erna Verderber Cerne. Thank you, Trix.
- 205.188.208.137 - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 02:31:26 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Jody, you need to reload the Plauderzimmer log. The copy you are seeing is from your browser's "memory", not a fresh copy. Click on Plauderzimmer Log then hit your browser's refresh or reload button. Hope that helps!
- 170.201.180.35 - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 11:56:17 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Does anyone know where I can get a listing (online or otherwise) of which parish each individual Gottschee village is located in? You can email me at gklighthouse@comcast.net Thank you.
- 68.86.80.195 - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 15:22:02 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Jody Elmer, something just occurred to me as I re-read your message. The PZ log page is listed from the earliest (top) to the latest (bottom). You may be seeing the right information, you just need to go to the bottom of the page when it finishes loading. It's the opposite of this page (earliest bottom, latest top). That's because, on a large page like the PZ log, there's less overhead for the system to append messages at the end than to insert them at the beginning.
- 170.201.180.35 - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 18:18:03 (UTC)

Marie Kobetitsch:
My grandparents, John Kobetitsch and Magdalena Loser were Gottscheer and I'm looking for any information on a Kobetitsch Winery
- 64.91.165.124 - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 23:47:05 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Dear Gerry Studier: I am so happy to have a friend like Trix of Minnesota who noticed your message and forwarded same to me. Please contact me at aecerne@aol.com. Erna Verderber Cerne. Thank you, Trix.
- 64.12.96.232 - Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 00:04:33 (UTC)

Jody Elmer:
Helmuth:
Thank you! The "Refresh" did it!
- 12.83.103.246 - Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 00:41:30 (UTC)

Edith Eisenkölbl-Gliebe:
Doris Kinkopf:
Hallo Doris, I remember to your dad and aunt Santi when they had been living near by us in austria (Kapfenberg)in the years 1950. (Lager 5 - Baracke 14 was our home) In those years the peoples were going to the USA. Three of my sisters were living in Ridgewood (Brooklyn) - my sister Margit in the Fresh Pond Road. I also know the Palmetto Street. My aunts Helene König and Morscher-Family had lived there. Please say hello to your aunt Santi and dad and also uncle Emmerich from the Geschwister Gliebe aus Kapfenberg.
- 195.3.113.5 - Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 19:16:01 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Marie,
I looked around on the internet to see if there was any information about Kobetitsch and winery/ vineyard without success. A good number of the wineries were located just outside the Gottschee borders in the parish/district of Tschernembl. What villages did Johann and Magdalena come from?
- 152.163.252.37 - Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 23:05:25 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi edith, my dad says hi and i wil definetly say hi to tante santi u onkel emmerich. all are doing well. my dad would love to know where u live...
- 205.188.209.41 - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 00:49:44 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi edith, my dad says hi and i wil definetly say hi to tante santi u onkel emmerich. all are doing well. my dad would love to know where u live...
- 152.163.252.228 - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 08:56:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Have a nice weekend everyone..I hope your weather is better than ours is right now on L.I.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 18:24:28 (UTC)

Edith:
Hi Doris, I live with my family in Kapfenberg (Austria) and two sisters and my brother Tschan are also living here.
- 195.3.113.5 - Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 20:19:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Happy Sunday Evening. Am looking forward to some good exchanges tonight. I need it.
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 00:25:46 (UTC)

Russell:
Hello. First time I've been able to be in here on a sunday night. EDT.
- 152.163.252.130 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 00:37:33 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Trix:
Happy Sunday to you. What else do you need?
- 64.12.96.104 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 00:40:14 (UTC)

Trix:
Frank, I think that does it. You are very observant and I appreciate it. So, how goes it?
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 00:53:13 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Paul B:
Just came back from Franklin Square. It feels like were in Florida for the last week around here.
- 64.12.96.166 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 00:55:21 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Trix:
I'm doing OK. I'm debating on buying a new vehicle.
We have a fully loaded 2002 IMPALA LS which is predominately our Sunday car. I'm thinking of getting rid of my 91 Caprice and replacing it with just a basic 2003 IMPALA. Chevy has knocked off 8K on the price and is offering 0% financing. What the heck!
- 64.12.96.8 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:13:43 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
GOODNIGHT FOLKS
GOTTA GO
- 205.188.209.20 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:29:34 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi All! Hope everyone is having a wonderful Sunday!
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:46:22 (UTC)

Russell:
I'm having a quiet sunday. The middle of a 3 day weekend.
- 152.163.253.97 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:52:35 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Trix & Frank* anyone else who is still around.It is only 9:45 P.M. in N.Y. and it looks as though the Sunday chat is over and not much going on tonite...Well we just got back from nice Italian dinner at our favorite restaurant and I am full to the gills.. I asked my niece, Frank, if it is as hot inFlorida or hotter and she says not hotter than here..But the people that own the place where we eat had a big storm down there and a tornado t o boot, but they are O.K. If we have to take the heat in place of tornados that's OK by me...Good luck on the car choice Trix,,,Enjoy......
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:53:24 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Any Gottscheer news that can be passed along to the rest of us.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:53:42 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
Hope things are good in Minnesota country.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:55:24 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
No Gottscheer news here. Have helped a few people to find parish records in the last month or so. Been a slow summer, but has went fast.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:56:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Oh, Oh-I see I made a BOO-BOO----Good Luck frank on your choice of a new car..you live only once --so enjoy it....And to You Trix, I say a pleasant good nite..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:59:12 (UTC)

:
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
- 152.163.252.8 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 01:59:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello, any one still around? I have been out of town most of the last month on weedends, but looks like I will be home for the next few months. No trip planned, except our family campout on Labor Day Weekend. I am in the final finishing touches on the Underberg book, and have several sold already. It was a long haul, 400 pages of info and pictures. I visted several family homesteads and cemeterys and churches this summer with my sister.
- 152.163.253.68 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:00:29 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
It's very hot and dry in Utah right now. We had a flash flood in our neighborhood last Sunday, but besides that not to much excitement. We didn't get flooded thankfully, but many had basements flooded.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:01:47 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Marilu. Good to have you back. I am proud of the work you are doing on your family genealogy. Now, a question for you. Do you buy the software for that and if you do, is it easy to fill in as you go along I am not familiar but am thinking I might give it a try. Any suggestions as to what kind of software would be appreciated.
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:02:37 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
That sounds like a very interesting project Marilu.
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:02:45 (UTC)

:
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
- 152.163.252.227 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:04:10 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, I use Family Tree Maker, and it does everything. I format the books with it also. It takes awhile to get the hang of the books, but it makes the index and table of contents as you tell it to. Very easy to add your family information in the program. I used it for the Peschel book also.
- 152.163.252.229 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:04:43 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Trix,
If you are looking for cheap and easy to use program for genealogy you probably would use PAF(Personal Ancestral File). You can download the software free from the LDS Family History website.
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:06:54 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I'm very late tonight. Sorry Hope all are well this evening.
- 171.75.224.117 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:06:58 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I'm very late tonight. Sorry Hope all are well this evening.
- 171.75.224.117 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:06:59 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I have heard good things about Family Tree Maker to.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:07:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks John and Marilu. Like I said I am just thinking about it but am also of the opinion that I would enjoy it.Any idea on the price?
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:09:29 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Marilu probably would know the price. I don't have any idea. I've used PAF for 13 years and have been happy with it. I go for the free stuff.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:10:47 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, for Family Tree Maker it would depent on the package you buy. In my opinion, you don't need all the cd's of into they try to sell you, and just program itself is about 25.00 depending on where you buy it. You can buy it online at Genealogy.com.
- 152.163.252.133 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:12:03 (UTC)

Trix:
John, I may go for the free stuff too. Took a quick look and find versions of the PAF. Decisions, decisions.
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:12:33 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
How is the Judge doing? Linda's Dad is doing much better. He is supposed to have is second surgery in January! Linda is going up next weekend to stay a week and help her Mom and Dad out. I'm playing Mr. Mom for a week.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:12:38 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hello to everyone. I agree Family Tree Maker is probably the easiest to use...and free is good.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:13:18 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
John, I think that is probably a good program, it just does not do all the things I want to do. I have seen people use it at the Family History Library. If you are only interested in organizing you family history it does a good job of that.
- 152.163.252.39 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:13:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I believe the latest version is 5.2. That is the best one. They also have a PDF manual that you can download and has step by step instructions in using it.
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:13:48 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
John, do you know if there is a Gottschee Parish compilation that anyone has put together for marriages, births, etc?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:14:49 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Trix, if I still had my first version of Family Tree Maker I would send it to you. It was v.1.1, and I now have v10. LOLOL But the first one did all the basic stuff, and got me started.
- 152.163.252.40 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:15:51 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I think for what Marilu is doing she is using the best program. I agree PAF has it down sides. It was developed specifically for LDS users and to keep track of genealogy and ordinance work. That is the main purpose of PAF. For me it works great.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:15:55 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Gregg,
I believe that the GHGA has organized all the marriages in Gottschee Parish and you buy the CD from the GHGA. Isn't that correct Trix?
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:17:48 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
The nice thing about all these programs is the ability to open your file on most any of the other programs. They are very interchangeable.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:19:26 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Gregg,
The births, death, etc. I believe you have to extract for yourself. I don't think anyone has done any of that work yet. I had hoped starting a project like that, but it is a huge undertaking. I did all of the births, baptisms, and marriages for Ebenthal Parish, it took me about 2 years to compile them. I believe you are talking 5 years minimum for Gottschee, to do it, unless you have a lot of free time.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:20:36 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Who do I need to contact specifically within the GHGA to inquire about it?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:20:57 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Gregg, yes they are. Most of them can make GEDCOM files, which most programs can open. So it is easy to exchange information. GHGA has cd's of most of the marriages from Gottschee. All are not finished yet. And also birth and death.
- 152.163.252.71 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:21:07 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Gregg,
You are right. I believe all the programs I know about are all using Gedcom's to communicate with one another.
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:22:16 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I have most of the birth, death and marriage records for Bistriz in Tschernembl Parish, Also some of the other villages, depending on where my ancestors were.
- 152.163.252.196 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:24:15 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
http://www.gottschee.org/
this link will take you to the main page where you can find information about ording cd's
- 152.163.252.1 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:25:31 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Gregg,
Go to this link and you will find all the publications of the GHGA!

http://www.gottschee.org/%7eghga/pub.htm
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:25:36 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Actually, some of the info is on floppy and some on cd
- 152.163.253.70 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:26:12 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I recently read a story on the making of the internet genealogy database world. I was amazed as to how a number of programers around the country collaborated together with genealogists to come up with a standardized system. There was really a lot of thought and effort put into this early on.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:26:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
John, we are thinking alike.
- 152.163.252.4 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:26:39 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I guess Great Minds think alike! Eh!
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:28:22 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Gregg,
What towns do your relatives come from in Gottschee Parish?
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:29:02 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Thank you John and Marilu.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:29:25 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Mostly Hohenegg in the latter years, with Katzendorf and Annaberg before that. However, I am working on a full blown Tramposch database that covers all Tramposch's from everywhere. This, of course, is huge and will take much time.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:31:18 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Your very welcome! If you ever have a question don't hesitate to write me at
gottscheer@yahoo.com. I've been working with Gottscheer records since 1989. It has been a wonderful journey.
- 209.240.198.63 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:31:42 (UTC)

Russell:
Anyone have any infomation about Joseph and Anna (DeBuona) Eisenzapf?
Joseph was born 12/22/1892 In (I think) Naples Italy. His parents were Joseph and Marie (Agnese) Eisenzapf.
Anna was born 1/30/1894 In Little Italy, NYC. Her parents were Bartholomew and Rachael DeBuona.
They lived most of their lives in Corona, NY.

I realise most of the people I mentioned are Italian. But Eisenzapf is German/Gottscheer.Also for some reason the name has been spelled differently among family members. Some people spell the name Eisenzopf, Eisenzapf or Eisenzoff.
- 152.163.253.67 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:32:38 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I just completed the extractions from the Nesseltal marriages. This was my first full parish job, and I still need to do the births, etc from there.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:32:55 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
In the Altlag and Ebenthal Parishes I don't believe I have ever run into the Tramposh name. It is interesting how some names dominate one area, but you won't find any of that name another region of Gottschee.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:33:37 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Russell,
I haven't worked with this name at all. I know it is a Gottscheer name, but don't know where most of these families come from. Does anyone else know anything about this family name?
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:35:37 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
The Gottschee spelling is Eisenzopf. There are many from the Gottschee parishes. This is my great grandmother's maiden name.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:37:20 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I have a fair amount of Eisenzopf's in my database, but none with an Italian background that I am aware of.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:38:33 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Russell,
I'm looking in my handy dandy Surname index and these are the Gottscheer parishes you might investigate in.

Altlag, Gottschee, and Mitterdorf.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:40:23 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Gregg, I think those extractions for Nesseltal are also available from GHGA, for the marriages.
- 152.163.252.226 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:41:02 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I do know that Italy had control of parts of Gottschee for a short time. I have found Itallian names in the Ebental Parish. It is possible that some of your relatives lived in the Gottschee are. Worth a look anyway.
- 209.240.198.61 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:41:47 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Marilu, could I get your email address if you don't mind?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:44:30 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Gregg, sure. it is marilu1030@aol.com.
- 152.163.253.69 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:45:14 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
John, I was thinking along the same lines. I have found a very few individuals in my Gottscheer research who are listed as born in Italy. It was close and very possible.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:47:17 (UTC)

Trix:
Gregg, in answer too your question about all the floppy disks that are available please write to Kate Loschke Pruente, Treasurer of the GHGA and aka The German Genie. Her e-mail is: thegenie@inreach.com
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:51:00 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Gregg, when you email me, put Gottschee in the subject line so I do not delete it before I read it.
- 152.163.252.164 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:51:07 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
I would have to go back and look at the time period that there were Italians in Gottschee. I will check that out and see what I can find.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:52:18 (UTC)

Trix:
The former Gottscheer region was given to the Italians during World War II. That is the reason we resettled to Untersteiermark beginning in the fall of 1941.
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:53:55 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
At this point I'm finding Italian children born in Gottschee from about 1900 to 1910.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:54:24 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Trix,
Do you know why Italians would be born in Ebenthal Parish in the 1900 to 1910 time period?
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:58:11 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
The families don't seem to stay for long. None of the children marry in Ebenthal.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:58:40 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Thanks for the info Trix.
- 209.240.198.62 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 02:59:00 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Goodnight all! Need to get up early and start making a living again. Hope all have a very nice week.
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:03:27 (UTC)

Trix:
No idea why Italians would have been born in the Ebental area around 1900's except that Italy is very close to Gottschee.
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:03:39 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I think it is time to say good night also. See you next Sunday.
- 152.163.252.129 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:04:22 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Goodnight everyone.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:05:15 (UTC)

Trix:
The same goes for me - Gute Nacht. Am accompanying our daughte and twin grandchildren to the Concordia College German Camp located at Bemidji, MN in the morning. They will be there for 2 weeks. It is quite a place and students come from all over the country. The minute you walk into the replica German village it is all German. No English spoken there. They eat, talk, dream and function in German. Concordia College also has other villages i.e. Japanese, Chinese, Russian, French, Italian, Spanish.
- 209.240.237.155 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:06:06 (UTC)

Russell:
All I know about Eisenzapf (and the variations) is that my Mother said her grandfather came from a region north of Italy. With the boundry changes, it can be anywhere in the region. Joseph was working in the Royal Italian Court when he met and married Marie Agnese. In late 1892 they were planning to leave for America on a boat when Marie had her son Joseph. (My geandfather) It took close to a year before she and the baby could leave for America.
- 152.163.252.35 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:26:17 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Many years ago, before WWII I was told that the Italians came into Gottschee to "make?" charcoal in wooded areas and so wound up marrying into Gottscheer women.. My brother-in law John Rabuse had a sister who married one of these men. He did not speak Italian-spoke Gottsceerish only-so I autmatically figured it was his father who married a Gottscheer and he grew up learning the language. any cooments?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 15:07:09 (UTC)

Russell:
As I understand it, My German GGrandFather met and married my Italian GGrandMother in Italy. Not Gottsscheer.
- 64.12.96.39 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:38:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I am sure that in your case, and probably others it was the same Russell.. They told me that the woods in Gottschee was good for charcoal and they called the men who came there charcoal burners...Italian charcoal burners..The man I am talking about was surnamed Rossi-nice guy spoke Gottschee only-I never really questioned it.And the rest of that family is gone-so who knows the real story...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 23:56:06 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You know what we were just talking about reminds me...Our favorite restaurant has a waitres who is latino-Born i france-moved to italy and wound up in brazil before coming to the good ole' USA..Another was born in Italy, but was brought up in France..The nicest part of this story is that they speak all the languages! I wish i could say that for myself...By the way Russell, how is my old home toen, Corona doing??
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 12, 2003 at 00:02:48 (UTC)

Russell:
I haven't been to Corona in a long while. The last time I ws there was about 1989 for my Aunt's funeral. The funeral home was across from St. Leo's (Guida's?) Me and some cousins walked over to the Ice King of Corona at 108 St and Corona Ave. Otherwise, I've no idea what Corona is like thse days.
- 152.163.253.69 - Tuesday, August 12, 2003 at 00:41:16 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Last Sunday, Trix, (Sophia Stalzer-Wyant, a VP of the "Heritage" association), tells us:
"The former Gottscheer region was given to the Italians during World War II. That is the reason we resettled to Untersteiermark beginning in the fall of 1941".
Based on this, our "heritage" is in dubious hands. She talks as if Gottschee and Slovenia were a piece of furniture.
Given by whom ?? By God ?? By Hitler ?? By the Gottscheer themselves ?? The pronouncement would be humorous were it not so tragic and revealing. Fact is, Slovenia was divvied up by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, the way two brothers divide up a piece of stolen land.
We resettled not because of the Italians, but because Hitler wanted to strengthen the borders of his part of the stolen land with loyal Gottscheer. So, the Nazis expelled 37,000 Slovene to make room for 11,000 Gottscheer, made willing by their own servants of Hitler. After 1945, the "Guard in Buchenwald" and friends became "honored members" in the AG, the same organization to which Trix and the GHGA now belong.
For decades, they were telling us we moved because our "heritage" was denied us by the Slovene. Eventually, even THEY realized how silly that statement was. (in 1941, the Slovene no longer controlled our culture). And after 1941, Hitler could have made sure his Italian friend protected our heritage. And above all, the few who stayed are still living there.
No, we were moved because the young Gottscheer Nazis were serving Hitler. And after 1945, they started washing brains to cover up the lies that made their people move.
( Now they have proxies). But, never an apology to either the Gottscheer or the Slovene.
Is the success of their brainwash not self-evident ???

- 152.163.252.232 - Tuesday, August 12, 2003 at 20:06:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sorry Russel, Somehow I thought you had relations still in Corona and that you passed thru Corona to your job...I tell ya' it really is tough getting old.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 04:57:58 (UTC)

Russell:
I've had relatives in Corona. But they've moved out. My mother's old address book has a few still in Corona. ButI doubt they're still there now. I don't recall any when I last made out my Christmas Cards.
- 152.163.252.39 - Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 09:29:25 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I am planning to attend the Gottscheer Treffen in Cleveland over the Labor Day weekend, and will bring along copies of the book "Memories of Childhood" which Arnold Rom and I wrote. The cost per copy is $25 USD
(or $35 CDN). If any of you, who will be attending the Treffen, know that you will want to purchase a copy, could you please let me know at
ridy@sympatico.ca
to give me some idea of the number of copies I should bring to Cleveland. Thank you!
- 64.229.232.36 - Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 15:00:54 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
You can read the book review which Liz Nick wrote in The Gottschee Tree on the following web site.....

http://ridy.dyndns.org/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=Memories-of-Childhood&id=book_review

- 64.229.232.36 - Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 15:19:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Ridy, I am so happy that you will be going to the Treffen. What a GREAT time that will be. Wish I could join you. Dance a couple for me too and have fun, fun, fun.
- 209.240.245.165 - Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 01:32:27 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, all. John I read your message and am curious if you have heard of a book called "Das Schicksal der Deutschen in Jugoslawien" eine dokumentation. This book has stories of the people that left slovania and their Vertriebene, fluchtlinge und Kriegsgeschadigte. I read some German but it is hard for me to understand all, as I only went to school in Austria for one year. I also studied German here in Kamloops where we live. John I think we are related, your mother-in-law maybe Pauli Steine of Brooklyn. Maria Kump was my fathers sister. anyway I was a small child when we went wandering through the war and it stays with me as a very strong memory. We are very happy to live in CANADA I have been to a few places since and always I say Canada B.C.is the best place to live. back to the book, the VORBEMERKUNG zu Band V is writen by W.M.Riegel. Sorry I don't have a scanner so that I could scan page 170 that talks about the Gotscheer. so I hope all is well with everyone. bye for now.
- 24.71.160.198 - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 00:44:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
The only thing I have to say is you can't change history and its not the descentants fault for the past.
- 199.243.152.146 - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 02:02:12 (UTC)

adolf osanitsch:
hi friends,does anyone know anything about the osanitsch family from Stalzern in Gottschee
- 69.24.3.40 - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 20:48:18 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Adolf, I know nothing about the Osanitsch family in Gottschee but have pieced together some information on the family from several sources including the Gedenkbuch, the Resettlement records, the SSDI. You may know all this information already but you can contact me at DocH301454@aol.com. The Osanitsches were from #23 and several family members came over before the war, several stayed in Gottschee until the resettlement and at least one went back and forth. The Putres were from #13.
- 205.188.209.76 - Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 11:40:50 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sharon, I agree with you. This site should be for good conversation, even spirited debate, but it should not be a place to repeatedly vent negative diatribe. Hope you had a good week.
- 205.188.209.108 - Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 11:43:04 (UTC)

Gerhard:
Hallo Freunde,
wünsche euch Allen ein schönes Wochenende.
Liebe Grüße aus Österreich.
Gerhard
- 62.218.148.35 - Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 17:10:51 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Glad to see the power is starting to come back online for some of you guys. I remember begging for power outages at work when we were busy and need a little break. But would never happen. Well people made the best of their time and spent some really good family time together. If I was there I would have rounded up some Gottscheers and had a pre-labour day festival in the park.
on a lighter side if the power outage happened here, all the men would have just went and got the camping gear out of storage. Living up here in Northwestern Ontario we are pretty prepared for that because I think every household owns some sort of camping equipment.
- 199.243.152.99 - Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 17:43:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sharon & Jim: I also am in total agreemant-let's all keep the plauderzimmer as as a search engine, what with you, Jim, and Trix and all the others who have the info at their disposal--and of course f0r the fun part of it-food receipes-happenings here and abroad-this PZ is really agreat thing that we have here...THANK YOU HELMUTH..... And Shaon your ideas about the blackout are great-but here everyone in yhe blackout had another scary question in mind and it was not fun.I know a couple of families that did have some backyard drinking parties, but i thought it best to be alert of mind and body during the situation-maybe because I'm an old geezer! Have a great weekend and let's all Thank God that it was only as bad as it was....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 18:59:45 (UTC)

Russell:
I was lucky with the blackout. I had just gotten out of work and was halfway home when it happened. I don't know which was worse. Sleeping Thursday night in the dark and heat or working on friday in a hot office.
- 64.12.96.43 - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 00:10:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Enjoy these beautiful reflections on both a man and life. HAPPY SUNDAY. Part I.

Herb Brooks' legacy remembered at his funeral
Mike Eruzione didn't carry a written eulogy with him Saturday morning as he arrived at the Cathedral of St. Paul. He didn't need one. The Olympic hockey captain had something better: the memories Herb Brooks left him, and the virtues his former coach instilled some 20 years ago.

The memories formed the backbone of Eruzione's remembrance, delivered to 2,500 mourners at Brooks' funeral mass. The virtues allowed him to find the words. Brooks encouraged hundreds of players to believe in themselves, to use their gifts, to pursue their passions, to live without regret. Those principles guided Eruzione through his farewell, then ignited anew in the hearts of those eager to sustain his legacy.

Brooks, 66, died Monday in a one-car accident on Interstate Hwy. 35 near Forest Lake. Several friends of the former coach of the University of Minnesota, National Hockey League and Olympic hockey teams said he never cared for grandeur, but they gave him a sendoff as unforgettable as his accomplishments. As a bagpiper played and the congregation sang "The Battle Hymn of the Republic," Brooks' mahogany casket passed under a canopy of hockey sticks held by 33 pallbearers and on to a private burial in Roseville.

"We lost a great man, a great mind, a great person," said Eruzione, captain of the 1980 Olympic team, which Brooks coached to a gold medal and the victory known as the "Miracle On Ice." "It's clear to all of us here he was a special man with a passion to coach and teach. I'll always be grateful he touched our lives. . . . His values will carry on."

- 209.240.245.158 - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 13:19:56 (UTC)

Trix:
Continued...
Big names and small

Some of Brooks' hockey pals said nothing short of a Hall of Fame induction could have drawn such an assembly of hockey luminaries, many of whom arrived two hours early and lingered afterward under a searing sun.

Mario Lemieux, one of the NHL's greatest players and now owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins, attended. The Wild sent a large contingent, including forward Darby Hendrickson, general manager Doug Risebrough and owner Bob Naegele Jr. Former North Stars Lou Nanne, Tom Reid and J.P. Parise represented the game's past; Parise's son Zach, a college star at North Dakota, came on behalf of the future.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Gov. Arne Carlson and St. Paul Mayor Randy Kelly represented the state and Brooks' hometown at the 103-minute service. So did neighbors, former classmates at Johnson High School in St. Paul, old chums from St. Paul's East Side and people who had never met Brooks but felt as though they knew him.

That unique magnetism defined Brooks and helps explain why his death touched so many people. He blended the ordinary with the extraordinary in a manner rarely seen, especially in a person with such fame. In an online guest book that swelled to 98 pages in five days, dozens of people described chance encounters with him and remembered his sincerity as clearly as their awe.

"He had a basic love and affection for his neighbors, his community, all kinds of people," said Carlson, who plans to ask officials at the University of Minnesota to name some sports facilities for Brooks and Paul Giel. "He wasn't sucked into the celebrity game. . . . The fact is, he was just like everyone else. He had a gift."

- 209.240.245.158 - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 13:22:07 (UTC)

Trix:

Continued...

Solemnness

Brooks' casket lay beneath the cathedral's grand dome, under the gaze of stained-glass saints and flanked by his honorary pallbearers. A bagpiper summoned mourners with "Amazing Grace" on the church steps as passing bicyclists paused and bowed their heads.

Soloist Tom Tipton echoed the hymn inside. Jim Bowers, the man whose soaring voice supplied the national anthem before hundreds of North Stars games, sang a Psalm. Salvation Army volunteers kept water flowing for the overheated mourners.

The Rev. John Malone provided some sweet relief with a joke, suggesting that Brooks might have accomplished even more had he attended Harding High. Longtime friend Bill Butters recalled Brooks' beautiful skating stroke and folded it into a Bible verse. "He always had sharp blades," Butters said. "Proverbs says, 'As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.' . . . He took a character like me and made me a man of character."

Eruzione delivered his eulogy as mourners fanned themselves with the program, which pictured Brooks above the phrase "Herbie 1937-2003." Then they left the church, squinting up to see four planes, in missing-man formation, fly twice over the cathedral.

- 209.240.245.158 - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 13:23:37 (UTC)

Trix:

Continued...

The funeral procession traveled to Roselawn Cemetery, leaving most mourners to gather in two ballrooms at RiverCentre for another round of stories. Eruzione, in his eulogy, recalled how phone conversations with Brooks were so one-sided that Eruzione could put the phone down, make a sandwich and return without being missed. Carlson recalled the fire with which Brooks spread the hockey gospel.

'That's enough'

Glen Sonmor, the former Gophers and North Stars coach, said Brooks would have been pleased with the memorial -- for a few minutes, anyway. "He would be honored and humbled and surprised, I think, that so many people came," Sonmor said. "Then, after a while, he would have said, 'That's enough.' I don't think he really understood what he meant to people."

Those people did their best to show the depth of their feeling through their farewell.

"The best way to carry on what he stood for isn't necessarily to think about his legacy," said Bill Baker, one of 19 members of the 1980 Olympic team to attend. "Think about your own. Stand up for what you believe in. Be committed to a cause. All the guys who played for him understood the importance of principles. That was the biggest thing about Herb Brooks."

Staff writer Jay Weiner contributed to this report.Rachel Blount is at

rblount@startribune.com.

- 209.240.245.158 - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 13:24:25 (UTC)

Russell:
Trix, Good story.
- 152.163.253.67 - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 23:50:55 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, Trix and all. I think I am early tonight it is 7pm pacific time. We where at the lake and our daughter called to tell us there is another fire near Chase a village close to where we were at the lake. So we decided to come home early, noon today. The smoke on the Trans Canada Highway was very smoky so it was good to come home today.
How do I get more info about the Ramor family tree I have searched on alot of internet sites but not much info there unless I pay. Does the Gottscheer organization have a site with only gottscheer tree info. So far I have only gotten to my grandfather Johann Ramor. I would like to know how many brothers and sisters he had?Thanks for any help.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:10:59 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
So, is anyone around tonite?
- 198.81.26.105 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:11:03 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Regina, do you know any village names or have any dates for your Ramor family?
- 198.81.26.80 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:12:32 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi Marilu. Yes I have the village Reichenau, I was also born there. I have a list of all my fathers brothers and sisters but not his fathers. There doesn't seem to be many Ramors around.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:23:36 (UTC)

Russell:
Well, I'm here. Hopefully there will be some action in here.
- 152.163.252.133 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:26:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Regina, do you know that you can order microfilms at the Mormom Librarys of the Gottschee villages, of their birth, death, and marriage records?
- 198.81.26.105 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:34:01 (UTC)

Regina G.:
does anyone think it possible to write and send money to Llublana for info about their family if they know the name and village. will they send birth/baptism certificates?

- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:47:14 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I guess no one is around anymore, so Goodnight. See you next week.
- 198.81.26.136 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 02:47:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Not too much action tonite, I see. It is 11:00P.M. in N.Y. , and we just got back from a small Gottscheer dinner party that lasted almost 10 hours! Young folks, old folks, stories about old times-the good and the not so good-and some interesting memorable times in Gottschee.Mosler-Verdrank to be exact..Hope you all had a good weekend..And have an even better week. God Bless...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 03:02:17 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Marilu, I didn't know that but I did go on their website but did not get any results. Do I have to pay and order by mail or on the internet? I am very new to researching my family tree.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 03:06:12 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Regina are you still there?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 03:18:42 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Yes I'm still here, Gregg. I was just on the visitor site to see if anything new is there. A few have visited since I waas on. How are you? We are all fine here in Kamloops, b.c.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 04:08:54 (UTC)

Regina G.:
I remember my mother mentioning the name Tramposh in the past but I don't know if your family came from Reichenau of Rodine. Alot of the names that I see are very familiar from my father and mother talking about Gottschee.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 04:20:08 (UTC)

Regina (Ramor) Gardner:
Well I shall say goodnight to you for this week. gutei nocht
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 04:48:14 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Trix, thank you for the story about Herb Brooks' ceremony. As you know, he was coach of the Penguins in the late '90's and the local sports celebrities were all reminiscing about him. What a stand-up guy, and a great coach. And will we ever forget the miracle on ice of 1980?...never.
- 170.201.180.35 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 12:01:07 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Regina, You can pretty easily track your Ramor ancestors back to the late 1700s by using the Nesseltal marriage records published by the GHGA. They are not expensive and are in either typed or CD format. After you track them back using those records, you can get better birthdates and locations by accessing the microfilm records for the actual dates. The microfilm records are available at the Family History Centers run by the Church of the Latter Day Saints.

- 64.12.96.166 - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 15:18:55 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Sharon, Jim Heimann, another "echter" Gottscheer, has given us the etiquette of good behavior.

In true "echter" fashion, he demands that we: "say only what I think is right, all else is negative diatribe". I first heard this in 1941 and have heard it ever since.

As you say, Sharon, "you can't change history", but Trix and her AG friends keep trying. And the "echte" are helping to make sure the descendants keep the faith and do not stray.
- 205.188.208.138 - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 16:33:33 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
How sad, that this Plauderzimmer has deteriorated into a platform to keep alive ideas and policies and opinions which have caused much pain to Gottscheers for many, many decades. I was 5 years old in 1941 (as was Trix)-- Mr. Tschinkel, I gather, was a young teenager, but I don't know that for a fact -- Sharon and Jim were not even born until many years later and as far as I know neither of them has ever been to Europe, let alone Gottschee. Their interest in our common heritage keeps our homeland alive in our hearts for just a few more years -- with luck it will be a few years longer, Mr. Tschinkel, than you or I will survive to keep our first-hand memories alive. Might I suggest, Mr. Tschinkel, that you devote your many energies to writing about our history as you see it from your point of view. I am sure many of us would be interested in reading it. That way you can get your views across without making all these sarcastic, demeaning and unwarranted attacks on people whom you wish to engage in an argument, but who have no wish whatsoever to engage in your arguments. They have studied our history, they have formed their opinions about it, but unlike you and I, they have not lived through it. Take my word for it, writing about our distant past can be very helpful and informative both to yourself and to your readers.

Having the last word does not matter one way or the other to me -- but just this once, I hope and pray that we can ALL now leave this divisive topic die in peace.

If you feel you must respond to me, Mr. Tschinkel, please do so privately to my e-mail address which is ridy@sympatico.ca It serves absolutely no purpose to have these endless arguments in a public venue where most of the participants do not have first hand experience of matters which were, at best, poorly understood by the majority of the poeple who were directly affected more than sixty years ago.
- 64.229.237.191 - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 18:48:51 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy, thank you for the words of wisdom.
John, perhaps you did not read some of my earlier chatroom postings concerning the "echter Gottscheer". It is clear that I am not only suspicious of some of the things that he wrote but I am also suspicious of anyone who makes a posting and does not have the courage to place his own name along with it. The nom de plume of "echter Gottscheer" sounds like something out of the Lone Ranger or the Masked Man. Although we firmly disagree on many, but not all, things, we do have the integrity to put our actual names with the postings.
Respectfully,
Jim
- 205.188.209.105 - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 19:26:28 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:

Sharon. I believe that I have made my point.

It is OK for an official of the GHGA/AG to make a pronouncement on our history and our heritage.

But, if anyone dares to challenge the inaccuracies of an official pronouncement, the "echte" immediately jump to describe deviant opinion, (no matter if it is based on fact), as negative diatribe, sarcastic, demeaning and unwarranted attacks, and so on. This, in spite of the opinion of Mr. Heimann, that a "spirited debate" is OK. But not about our history. That subject is settled and taboo !!!

Ms. Skyrme is full of advice and speaks nobly on behalf of our heritage. According to her, "you, Sharon, have studied our history and formed opinions about it." But most of our history was written by those who betrayed it and the "echte" vigorously defend any challenge of it.
The website, Gottschee.de, is under constant attack with viruses aimed to destroy it, because it allows alternate opinion.

I have challenged our falsified history for which I have taken much abuse. The Chairman of the AG, Viktor Michitsch used 18 curse words, not repeatable here. But he is a lawyer and he knows such words. He and others have threatened to sue me. But the truth is well documented and cannot be challenged. Especially if one is prepared to defend it as I am.

If we let stand our history as formulated by those who betrayed it, the Gottscheer will be doubly betrayed. And keeping any rebuttal
private, as Ms. Skyrme suggests, helps only those who betrayed us the first time.

- 205.188.208.103 - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 23:06:53 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I'm going to apologize for continuing this topic but I feel I must give my feelings on this. My family didn't abondened their heirtage that I get is the feeling of Mr. Tschinkel feels that some did. My Grandfather served in the 1st war for the German army against his will. He was told fight or go to jail. What would you do in this situation? When the war was over he threw his gun in the ditch and walked home. Years went by and the country was starving and he said he knew the 2nd war was coming. He quoted " you could smell the war coming" He had to make a serious decision on what to do. He didn't want to fight again and he had to 2 small boys to raise. He lost his father when he was about 7 years old and probably felt he didn't want his children to grow up without a father so young. So he decided to leave his family and farm and home life that he grew up knowing. For this I say I wouldn't be here if he didn't do this and I thank him everyday for making the hardest decision of his life. I'm proud of my family through thick and thin and I feel that without them I wouldn't be the person I am today.
I don't despute the past and I believe alot went on that other people don't know and that was never publically know or probably won't know. But as I said before we can't change the past. Here is a place that we look back at and remember the good times and some bad times but we don't go through life thinking everything is bad or should dwell on it. We shouldn't just focus on the terrible times that happen. We should look forward on how we can improve things and not repeat them.

- 199.243.152.232 - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 23:28:45 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
wow that is the longest thing I ever wrote on here
- 199.243.152.232 - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 23:30:43 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Sharon, but you made your point-God Bless You..Hopefully we can now go on in a spirited and happy way...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 01:03:16 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
SHARON: I JUST REALIZED THAT YOUR STORY ABOUT YOUR FATHER AND THE WAR AND LEAVING HIS GUN IN A DITCH ETC; IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT MY FATHER-IN-LAW DID.HAD HE NOT, I WOULD HAVE NEVER MET HIS DAUGHTER, MY WIFE OF 61 YRS COME OCT.11TH THIS YEAR!
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 03:58:58 (UTC)

Helmuth:
"The website, Gottschee.de, is under constant attack with viruses aimed to destroy it, because it allows alternate opinion."

You are not helping your cause by making ridiculous statements, John.

EVERY web site, including this one, is constantly under attack by crackers trying to find well-known vulnerabilities to exploit. They work off a list of domain names or random IP addresses, and they care not one whit about the content of the site or what happened 50+ years ago. Their motivation is to find a vulnerable system from which they can send spam or launch denial-of-service attacks, not squelch opinion about Gottschee.

Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around this issue.

- 170.201.180.35 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 12:18:23 (UTC)

john Tschinkel:

Nice try, Helmuth. According to Gladitsch, there is nothing random about the efforts to destroy his webside. He also knows who some of the attackers are. You should talk to him, he will give you the facts and prove my point.

The virus that one year ago shut down my then unprotected computer, Sircom, came from the e-mail address of Miha Krisch, son of Erik Krisch, an expert. A coincidence !!! Hardly.

As you say, "the world does not revolve around this issue". But it does for many Gottscheer.

- 152.163.252.37 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 13:03:09 (UTC)

Jim:
I have to admit that I am at fault for responding to postings. I apologize for trying to reach out in a moderate and unemotional manner. I have no axe to grind, preconceived hatreds, or land to claim. As is evidenced by other responses to Mr. Tschinkel's postings, there is little interest in exploring his topics further on this site. This is not a political chatroom but rather a place for people to get together in a friendly manner. I would respectfully request that Mr. Tschinkel and others refrain from using this site for their political or personal agendas.
- 205.188.208.105 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 13:18:05 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Nice try, John. If you make an assertion, it's up to you to make your case with facts, not for someone else to disprove it. By the way, a lot of people were affected by Sircam (sic), even 'experts'. Sorry you were one of them but that does not make a conspiracy. You were just plain unlucky like a lot of people. Give it a rest.

By the way, you don't need to give me any credit for letting you express your viewpoint. I just hope I don't get bombarded by those nasty virus conspiracists now (tongue firmly in cheek).
- 170.201.180.35 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 13:32:22 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Sorry folks, but I could not let these baseless assertions go unchallenged.

I echo Jim's request, let's get off this topic. Somehow I'm sure it will come up again, anyway. Let's just take a break.
- 170.201.180.35 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 13:52:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I am sure we all second the motion Helmuth..Let us hope it just stays on a happy turn....And helmuth, I along with all the others Thank You again...
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:05:42 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:
Message for Regina G.

I have the book "Das Schicksal der Deutschen in Jugoslavien". (It was given to me by Dr. Frensing, together with all the research records used to write his book "Die Umsiedlung der Gottscheer Deutschen"), including all of the issues of GZ published by Lampeter in 1941.
Volume V of "Das Schicksal ...." contains many eye witness reports both about the resettlement and the "Flucht". Many are from the priests who were against the it.

Unfortunately, the book (like Frensing and the Gottscheer Zeitung) is in German, a language no longer understood by most Gottscheer Americans.

It is certain that we are related, but if so, it starts way back. Land records, in the National Archives of Slovenia, make possible the deduction that Masern was settled in the first 50 years of the 14th Century by three names; Tschinkel, Primosch and Sturm, a total of 6 families. The Urbarium of 1564 indicates this and the register of the Theresian Kataster of 1752 confirms it. And the Church ledger entries dated 1773 show that 10 out of the total of 59 houses in the village were inhabited by a Tschinkel family.

Nevertheless, my mother-in-law is not a Stiene. Her name was Wall-Bost, (English/French). My Slovene grandmothers name was Ilc, my Gottscheer grandmother was a Michitsch from Goettenitz. My two sons are American. And since, as an immigrant, I pledged allegiance to our flag, and am willing to defend it. If that brings me enemies, so be it.

- 205.188.208.5 - Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 00:43:13 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone-may it be a pleasant one for us all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 20:09:00 (UTC)

Jim:
Does anyone know if the Hawley area has or ever had a Gottscheer association? I know that it is/was a place for Gottscheers to visit ---- sort of a Gottscheer equivalent for the Catskills. I also know that quite a few Gottscheers lived there at one time. I just don't know if they had a formal club or association.
- 152.163.253.38 - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 21:45:29 (UTC)

Trix:
Dr. Jim - I have never heard of any official Gottscheer association there but I do know that there are still quite a few who live there. Never to late to get one started. I, for one, would love that.
- 216.251.178.32 - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 22:56:13 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Trix what is the oldest piece of Gottscheer Zeitung or something along that line that do you own?
- 199.243.152.137 - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 23:01:45 (UTC)

REGINA (Ramor) Gardner:
Thanks John in replying to my note re: Die Flucht, I'm not sure about your opinion of this book is it that you believe the stories these people have told or not? Because ours are very similar to some of them. We where hearded into box cars with nothing but our clothes and each other(family).. Which I am so thankful for that we now live here in CANADA all our family. I don't know where you live John but I am sure you are happy to be there.
P.S.My sister subscribes to the Gottscheer Zeitung and I sometimes get her old copies to read, it takes me quite awhile to read it since my German is not so good.
Well I hope everything is well with all.
- 24.71.160.198 - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 23:39:10 (UTC)

REGINA (Ramor) Gardner:
Hi, Jim. Thanks so much for your helpfull info on the Ramor side of my family tree. I am very determined to get all the info for this side of the family. I hope you have had most of your family tree info.
- 24.71.160.198 - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 23:56:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
It appears that in spite of my Norton AntiVirus protection, my system may have become infected with a virus. I have received a number of e-mails from Mail Administrators and various institutions, telling me that the e-mail I sent was rejected for a variety of reasons. The fact is that I did not send any of the e-mails mentioned and I don't know the individuals who were sent these e-mails from my address. Not a happy thought!
If you have received an e-mail from me which you have good reason to believe was not written by me, please let me know. I'm expectring Christopher to check what the problem is later on this evening or tomorrow.
Please accept my apologies if I'm causing any problems to your computer!
- 64.229.235.230 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 00:59:51 (UTC)

Ridy:
It appears that my Norton may not have protected me against e-mails written in languages other than English! Still not sure about that, but it may be the case.
Check out this article on the BBC which gives the various subject lines to watch for -- I know I received several of them in the last two days.
- 64.229.235.230 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 01:10:54 (UTC)

REGINA (Ramor) Gardner:
Hi, Ridy I hope your e-mail will be working fine again.
I hope you received my e=mail awhile ago. I hope live is treating you well these days.
- 24.71.160.198 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 01:26:44 (UTC)

REGINA (Ramor) Gardner:
I was just on the Latterday Saints web but I guess I am not to skilled at getting into their search and get any info from them; I did let them have my e=mail hopefully someone from their web will get in contact with me, and give me help with searching the Ramor ancestors.
- 24.71.160.198 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 01:30:16 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi everyone, hope everyone is as glad as I am for Friday
- 152.163.252.66 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 01:54:12 (UTC)

Regina (Ramor) Gardner:
Hi Doris and anyone out there. it is friday night here in b.c. I am getting ready to go to Victoria B.C. to take our granddaughter back to her mother there. Soooo, I will/maybe not on line on Sunday night.
P S Ridy thanks for the e-mail just read it before coming on here. Thanks. I'm glad the blackout is over for you.
- 24.71.160.198 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 07:40:13 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Regina: You may not find anything on the LDS website, but they have films you can order in at your local LDS library, that will have the information. But Dr. Jim was right when he told you to order the cd from GHGA with the marriage records from your parish. That is the easiest way to get started. I had to order the films for the marriages also, because the parish my ancestors are from has not been put on CD yet.
- 152.163.252.65 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 14:29:42 (UTC)

Meli:
Hi
- 216.46.130.231 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 17:33:02 (UTC)

Meli:
I like Josh Blackler
- 216.46.130.231 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 17:33:21 (UTC)

Meli:
Don't tell nobody
- 216.46.130.231 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 17:33:31 (UTC)

Meli:
Hi regina! It's 11:00 am here!
- 216.46.130.231 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 17:33:56 (UTC)

Russell:
Adding my 2 cents to the conversation.
It seems that I had caught a virus myself. I would sign on and I would get a pop up message that my Norton intercepted a virus in a letter that I sent out which was bounced back to me. BTW I couldn't find no messages that I had sent out and bounced back to me. I was in one way spared (I think) from the virus. However I was getting the same pop up about 150 times.

I clicked the icon for Norton and looked up every update I could find from windows. I couldn't get rid of this condition. Finally I went to "System Restore" and back dated my computer to August 2nd. I ammume this was a time before I got the virus. I did that yesterday and it seems that I got rid of this virus. I haven't seen it since.

I've been asking around with different people in my address book and it seems I didn't spread the virus to anyone I know.
- 152.163.253.6 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 22:50:28 (UTC)

Ridy:
Russell:
Thanks for your posting. . . .it sound very much like my problem. My son has not been able to give my computer a thorough once-over -- yet -- but he does assure me that I have not spread the virus to anyone else. I got the usual lecture from him, and by now I've heard it so often I know it by heart....... do not forward e-mails you get from others if they have multiple addresses on them - If you must forward it, hit the forward key, delete those addresses first, and then send on the message as blind copies only. That way nobody else gets addresses of people whom they don't know and with whom they don't correspond. It's not foolproof, but it limits the exposure and the potential damage to other computers. At least, that's the way I understand it.
Like you, Russell, I've checked with some of the people with whom I correspond on a regular basis and they assure me that I did not send them the virus. That does make me feel better, but I am not sending anyone e-mails until Christopher has had a chance to give me the all clear. I am not even going to try to clean the systgem up myself -- posting messages on here is about as advanced as I am!
- 64.229.235.230 - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 23:39:49 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I am in the same situation. Someone who has my name in their address book has the virus, and I keep getting messages that my email has been bounced. And the messages are from people I have never heard of. I have virus scanned my computer several times manually, and do not have it.
- 64.12.96.74 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 00:53:46 (UTC)

Helmuth:
As a side note, if you get these Message Undeliverable emails, it means that the virus got your address from someone else's address book that WAS infected. You did nothing wrong. You would not believe how many of these I got, I stopped counting at 75. That's why it may seem as though you are getting infected by friends or people you know...it just means that the worm knows how to read Microsoft Outlook's address book.

If there was one piece of advice I could give everyone, besides keeping your Norton up-to-date, it would be to remove or disable Outlook and replace it with Eudora or another email program (most downloadable for free). At work, we don't call it "Outhouse" for nothing. :-)
- 209.114.157.93 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 16:05:02 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I myself have never used Outlook, and don't even open any attachments that anyone sends me thru Outlook. I have probably deleted 200 of these messages already. It sure can be a pain.
- 198.81.26.104 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 16:24:12 (UTC)

Russell:
When I get spam, Not only do I delete it, I also send it to aol as spam mail. As I do it, I get messages that I'll never get mail from this address again. Of course I do.

The last few weeks I've been getting "Message Undeliverable emails" on my yahoo addy. It seems that I had sent an e-mail from my yahoo addy to my aol addy and it bounced back. I delete it when I see it. The only bounced mail I've gotten from someone I know was from me. I had gotten a strange message on my aol addy so I sent it to my webtv addy so that I could open it safely. When I tried sending it back to my aol addy, aol woulnd't accept it because it had a virus on it. That has been long ince deleted on my webtv addy. There were some addys listed on it. But they were no one I knew or anyone I would have a reason to know.

I'm not concerned that I might have gotten a virus from a friend of mine. Chances are someone received the virus. The virus attached itself to the last letter sent out and addressed it to everyone listed in their address book.
- 205.188.209.136 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 17:24:06 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Have been frantic for 2 days thinking my friend had accidentally infected my computer with the "teddy bear" virus that lays low for 14 days then goes about messing up your computer. Icon of a little teddy bear showed up on my screen. Called everyone I email. Today someone told me it was a "joke". Not funny. Does anyone know about/had any experience with the teddy bear?
- 171.75.224.92 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 21:26:06 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
A way to stop repeated spam from the same source: if you are using Microsoft Outlook click on "Organize" on toolbar, then click on "Junk email". Then click on "options". Then change the first line so it reads "automatically move junk messages to deleted items". The next time you receive spam right click on it from your inbox and go to "junk email---add to junk senders list" Now any future emails from this source will automatically go to your deleted items folder.
- 68.86.80.195 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 21:36:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Margaret Don't remove that file. You need it for some program on the net and on your computer. Its a program for media players etc. Always go to symntac.com web site before removing anything from your computer. Its a really good site for looking up viruses and worms. They tell you whats what and what to do.
- 199.243.152.55 - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 23:43:56 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
In addition to antivirus software, I highly recommend everybody installing a firewall also. It blocks most of these problem viruses, trojans & worms from ever entering one's computer in the first place. They are entering through areas on your computer that a firewall monitors and denies anything to go into your computer unless you specifically tell the firewall to let it in. This in conjunction with antivirus software is a pretty good combination. The antivirus is scanning what you allow into your computer (i.e. files, email, downloads) and the firewall blocks these unsolicited annoyances from ever entering and creating havack on your computer.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 00:27:23 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:

sharon: Thank you so much for your advice. I have calmed down a bit. I was going crazy this AM--am MAD this PM.
Don't hackers have anything better to do??
- 65.58.54.25 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 00:59:31 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
To All:
Sorry my message appeared 4 times. Must be gremlins in my computer. Sorry again.
- 65.58.54.25 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:00:32 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
To All:
Sorry my message appeared 4 times. Must be gremlins in my computer. Sorry again.
- 65.58.54.25 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:00:33 (UTC)

regina:
Hi, from victoria,bc i am visiting here at my daughters place and am using a laptop computor boy this is very quiet, my fingers are not use to the keys so i will dispense with the capitols. they have four other computors here also. jason teaches computors so i'm sure there are no viruses here. i hope that there will be a way of eliminating viruses. it is now 6 pm pacific time.

- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:10:59 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Greg. Appreciate your help on Spam. Now tell me, where can I find Organize?
- 216.251.169.13 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:12:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 65.58.54.25 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:13:49 (UTC)

regina:
ops, sorry about the repeat message this computor is very sensative and all the keys are very close together. i see that the spacing is also very close together. well victoria is a lovely city on an island of the cost of b.c. the weather is fabulous. I hope some of you have been here before?
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:16:59 (UTC)

regina:
hi trix hope you had a wonderful week.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:22:47 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Trix: On drop down menu at the top of Outlook go to the Tools dropdown, then to "Organize"
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:23:27 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hello Regina. How is your Ramor research doing?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:26:04 (UTC)

regina:
good night, god bless. hope you will all think about visiting b.c. canada.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:34:17 (UTC)

regina:
Gregg, i'll answer you, and get back to visit my family.
i'm not gett
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:37:06 (UTC)

regina:
woh, this is very sensative. i'm not getting very farther with my ramor family tree only to my grandfather.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:39:13 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Regina: email me gklighthouse@comcast.net I have a few pieces on your Ramor family I can send you. There are two marriages I know of between Ramor/Tramposch
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:39:39 (UTC)

Jim:
Regina, if you can send me your email address to DocH301454@aol.com, I think I can help you out with a good deal of information.
- 64.12.96.234 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:45:52 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hello Jim. I was starting to think I was alone.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:46:47 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
It is very quiet tonight. They have been talking about seeing Mars in the sky on the news. Do you get to see it also from where you are?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:47:57 (UTC)

Jim:
Just stopped in to check postings. It has been a very busy end of the summer. It looks busy until the end of September.
- 64.12.96.234 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:48:18 (UTC)

Jim:
I am not sure about Mars. It is an absolutely beautiful night in New Jersey. Cool, with a good breeze. Almost a touch of fall.
- 64.12.96.231 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:49:28 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Kansas City is very hot and humid. Over 100 degrees again today.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:51:51 (UTC)

Jim:
I guess we will be seeing some of that later this week. I am going to sign off for now. I hope you have a good week. I may check in later. Hopefully Regina will see our postings.
- 64.12.96.202 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:54:04 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I spent the day barbequeing and swimming. It's a nice change from the week.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:54:26 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Goodnight Jim
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 01:54:46 (UTC)

regina:
woh, this is very sensative. i'm not getting very farther with my ramor family tree only to my grandfather.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 02:28:04 (UTC)

regina:
woh, this is very sensative. i'm not getting very farther with my ramor family tree only to my grandfather.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 02:28:16 (UTC)

regina:
woh, this is very sensative. i'm not getting very farther with my ramor family tree only to my grandfather.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 02:28:17 (UTC)

regina:
woh, this is very sensative. i'm not getting very farther with my ramor family tree only to my grandfather.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 02:28:18 (UTC)

regina:
woh, this is very sensative. i'm not getting very farther with my ramor family tree only to my grandfather.
- 24.68.192.189 - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 02:28:19 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi everyone=I seee I am not alone with PC problem-repairman just left-been off for several days-still a few bugs left-must call my server..Have a good week everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 15:16:59 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Es tut mir leid...Ridy and anyone else who will be at the Treffen in Cleveland this weekend, I will not be able to attend and meet you. I was so looking forward to it, however duty calls at work and not much choice in the matter. One of these years...hope all that attend will have great weather and a wonderful time. Be sure and say hello to my mom (Mimi Kump).
- 170.201.180.35 - Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 16:36:51 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: Is there any relation to John Kump of Glendale who married Rose rabuse? Both now deceased.
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, August 26, 2003 at 20:25:23 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
HELP! I need some expertise from the pro's here. What is the relation with Annaberg and Hohenegg, and also Annaberg and Katzendorf? I am finding Tramposch entries that show hyphenated birth places, such as Hohenegg 16--Annaberg. And another I found that says Katzendorf 15--Annaberg. I am finding Johann Tramposch (b 1755 Hohenegg 16 d Annaberg 15), son Leonard Tramposch (b 1780 Annaberg 16 d Katzendorf 15), and Leonard son Mathias (b 1801 Katzendorf 15 d Katzendorf 15). Sometimes I see Leonard as born "Katzendorf 16--Annaberg". And I've seen Mathias listed as born "Hohenegg 16--Annaberg". What did I miss here? I'm just starting to read the microfilms and haven't really gotten to the point of using it to research this question very good. Also, I've seen Mathias Tramposch (b 29 Jan 1801) with birth place Katzendorf 15 and Hohenegg 16. His parents died at Katz 15. Seen his death place at Katz 15 and Hohenegg 9. His children all born at Katz 15. Is there by chance two Mathias Tramposch's born on the same date? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Respond here or email me gklighthouse@comcast.net Thank you all so much!!
- 68.86.80.195 - Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 05:34:43 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
In thinking over my previous posting on Annaberg, I now wonder if Annaberg was a Parish, not a village, and perhaps if so was it merged into the larger Gottschee Parish at some point? Please let me know if you have info on this.
- 68.86.80.195 - Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 06:01:43 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, to my knowledge, no relation. I remember looking in the Queens phone book as a kid and seeing 2 columns full of the Kump name.
- 170.201.180.35 - Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 17:17:36 (UTC)

Regina (Ramor) Gardner:
Hi, Jim and Gregg, Good Day to both of you.
Here is my e-mail "drgardner@shaw.ca". Hope to hear from you.
- 24.71.160.198 - Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 19:09:57 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth-You are so right-there are so many similar Gottscheer names..When I first started with the PZ and other gottscheer sites i was amazed. Now , in my family we have rabuse-Jaklitsch-Kren-Kump-Staudacher-Grammar-Melz-Rossi and so many more-and it seems that they just pop up so often..I am always a little afraid to ask for "Any relation to", but then i give it a shot anyway...Now in my Sicilian side of the family, I can't find beans!!!!My nephew says that they must all have changed their names..Who Knows? Have a nice weekend Going to CVleveland this weekend??
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, August 28, 2003 at 22:16:00 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, unfortunately not, I told Ridy I have work commitments and won't make the Treffen. Oh well, next time I hope. When you said that about not being able to find anything on the Sicilian side & possibly name changes, I was reminded of the Godfather II when customs at Ellis Island wrote Vito Andolini's name down as Vito Corleone. My favorite movies of all time (GF I and II).
- 170.201.180.35 - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 12:28:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth: Now i must tell you this,my nephew who is a self made millionare thiks aling the lines of cover up for names..This can't be true with my Grandfather-my father and most of the family the were scared silly of the carrabenieri (sp?) Police in uour language.. We did have a couple of numbers runners, but they also had jobs-and they are long since gone to the heavens for # runners, I guess...I watch all the reruns of Godfather-never tire of them-I just wonder if my Dad and Uncles were alive to see this, what would they say? and time marches on=right?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 20:08:22 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Paul, how true. Yes I wonder what they would say. When I went to high school (Christ the King on Metropolitan Ave. in Queens, you know it?) I met a bunch of Italian kids who attended, they told me some great stories and would swear at each other in Italian at lunch...those were the days. What fun.
- 209.114.157.3 - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 23:15:48 (UTC)

John B. Gladitsch:
Helmuth, I also went to Christ the King High School.I was on the Soccer team with Joe Fink, who went on to play pro-soccer for the NY Cosmos with the great Pele.
- 171.75.230.246 - Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 03:15:31 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I was only 3 when we moved from B'kly to Queens-(Corona) mostly Italian and 16 when we moved to Glendale mostly German Many Gottscheers i Glendale and Ridgewood-I guess you can safely say the majority of German speaking were Gottscheers...I met the love of my life at 16 in our store in Glendale and married at 18! I immediately became a gottscheer, and the rest is history.Yes, I know of the school..I went to High School in Elmhurst Queens-Newtown.. My wife went to St. Pancreas in Glendale...Enough of that-im feeling older by the minute--Have a great Holiday weekend....
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 03:33:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Logging on early. KCMO went from severe drought to flash floods in 3 days. People are considering building an ark. Never saw so much rain in 3 days, after severe drought and temps over 100 for 9 day, or more. May not get back on. Auf wiedersehen
- 171.75.224.37 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 00:14:31 (UTC)

Russell:
Probably the only good thing about this unusual summer weather is that summer is almost over.
- 205.188.208.10 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 01:08:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
You got that right Russell. Amen.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 01:41:14 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, Jim thanks so very much for your e-mail in regards to my family ancestors Ramor it is quite complete. I did e-mail you but not sure if you got it. So I thank you very much.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 02:46:49 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hi, guys. I hope we get some rain here soon. also a little bit of Indian Summer during the month of Sept. I hope we don't get anymore smoke in our city from the fires. Well I shall go for now,.maybe come on later. Am going to work on some of the ancestry stuff I just got today.
- 24.71.160.198 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 02:54:47 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hope you all had a nice weeken--slow PZ tonite due to Holiday i guess..Hope the chatters at the Ohio Treffen are having a good time..Enjoy tomorrow and the rest of the week..Our company just left-must go rest up now to be ready for tomorrow..
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 03:55:35 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Late holiday wishes to everyone. It is about 4:00 Monday afternoon. We had our ninth annual family campout this weekend. All of our kids and grandkids were there. We always have a good time, lots of good food and drinks. It is always at a campground somewhere in the mountains, and we just do a lot of talking, laughing, games, good food and fun.
- 152.163.253.35 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 22:12:31 (UTC)

DORIS KINKOPF:
Hi Everyone, wishing all a wonderful Labor Day. Be safe and enjoy.....
- 152.163.253.69 - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 22:58:28 (UTC)

Trix:
HAPPY LABOR DAY!!! Am hoping that someone will share about the Gottscheer Treffen in Cleveland.
- 216.251.169.21 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 01:28:47 (UTC)

Helmuth:
John, when did you attend C the K? I was there three years, 1969-1972.
- 170.201.180.35 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 11:23:22 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Part I of a short recap of the 41st Gottscheer Treffen in Cleveland this past weekend:

Most of the New York contingent and many others arrived Friday afternoon. About 160 of them enjoyed dinner (prepared and served by the EOUV Club MEN!) and musical entertainment at Gottscheer Park that evening, while others went exploring in Cleveland or rested up for the weekend's activities.

Friday's thunderstorms gave way to clear skies and temps in the 70s Saturday. The rest of the out-of-town attendees arrived Saturday, and the EOUV Club Ladies Auxiliary served dinner to about 550 people Saturday evening. The Cleveland dance group and Hausmusik presented a delightful program, "An Evening in Vienna", to an appreciative audience in the Pavilion. The evening ended with two dance bands playing, one in the Pavilion and one in the Main Hall.

Sunday began with Mass in the Regina Mundi Chapel of the Sisters of Notre Dame in nearby Chardon. Bishop Roger Gries and two concelebrants said Mass for over 700 worshipers. The Cleveland Gottscheer Heimatchor sang selections from the Haydn Mass plus a number of other hymns, with many in the congregation joining in. The highlight of the Mass came after Communion, when (it seemed to me) the entire congregation sang "Let There Be Peace On Earth". Very few dry eyes!

- 141.110.78.34 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 17:06:30 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Part II of a short recap of the 41st Gottscheer Treffen in Cleveland this past weekend:

After Mass, everyone headed back to Gottscheer Park for dinner, again prepared and served by the Ladies Auxiliary. The afternoon program began at 2:45 with the U.S. and Canada National Anthems and "Gottscheerbashe Bua". A short memorial service followed, with the presidents of the various Gottscheer organizations laying a wreath at the Gottscheer Park chapel while the attendees sang "Ich hat einen Kamaraden". Joe Sieder, EOUV Club president, welcomed all assembled and introduced the presidents of the various Cleveland organizations. Then, the presidents representing Gottscheer organizations from Milwaukee, Chicago, Toronto, New York, Kitchener, and the GHGA were introduced and gave short remarks. After this, the entertainment part of the program began with the choir from New York. The Cleveland Gottscheer Heimatchor followed, then the New Yorkers joined them for a joint song of friendship. The dance groups from New York, Kitchener and Cleveland followed with wonderful dance selections of their own, then all three combined for a group dance. The Treffen Flag was officially passed to Milwaukee, and the evening ended with dance bands in both the Pavilion and the Main Hall.

Many attendees said goodbye to Cleveland Monday morning with breakfast at Gottscheer Park. In all, 15 states and Canada were represented at this Treffen, and Milwaukee invites everyone to the 42nd North American Gottscheer Treffen in their city next year!

(on a personal note, it was great to finally meet you, Ridy!)

- 141.110.78.34 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 17:07:21 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thanks for sharing Herb-Sounds like a great time was had by all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 17:42:49 (UTC)

Trix:
I agree with Paul - THANKS FOR SHARING Herb. What a GREAT report and what a GREAT time in Cleveland. Yes, many of us are hoping to be in Milwaukee next Sept. Remember the Torten Parade?

CONGRATULATIONS to all the marvelous members of the Cleveland Gottscheer organization. We are proud of you and say VIELEN, VIELEN DANK.

- 209.240.245.132 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 19:03:13 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Thank you for the beautiful music, Herb Mausser! The Mass, in that beautiful chapel, was memorable, and made more so by the music you and your wonderful choir provided. As I promised, I sang my heart out along with you all, complete with cracked high notes, wobble throughout, and when my breath let me down, I just winged it. You also did a masterful job as MC, and I will have no trouble at all remembering the right face next to your name! You’re a treasure.

I didn’t get the names of some of the Gottscheers who bought our book, “Memories of Childhood” but I would again like to say a special ‘thank you’ to all of you who decided to buy a copy. Arnold and I would love to hear what you think of our effort in writing down what we remember of those long ago days in Gottschee, Untersteiermark, and Austria. It was a special pleasure for me to meet Inge and Walter Rom, Arnold’s sister and brother. Some day it might even be possible for Arnold and me to meet face to face as well!

THANK YOU, Gottscheers of Cleveland, for a memorable Treffen!

- 64.229.235.77 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 20:03:38 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
BRAVO CLEVELAND!
‘S ischt bünderschäәn gәbahn! Vergelt’s Gött!

I am still basking in the warmth of being surrounded by so many Gottscheers at the
Treffen in Cleveland this past weekend, and it will take me a few days to come back down to earth. Then I will try to organize my thoughts and file away all the old and new names and the faces which go with them, sort out all the new information which I received, digest everything new which I experienced, and simply hope that I don’t forget anything. It was a weekend of information overload, but what a wonderful time it was!

The Cleveland Gottscheers who worked so hard to make the Treffen a success deserve our bravos and our heartfelt gratitude. It was obvious at every turn that a lot of thought and hard work went into the organization of the Treffen. They welcomed us with open arms, lots of hugs and kisses, fed us – deliciously! – entertained us, treated us like members of one big, loving family, and gave us the chance to enjoy their beautiful Gottscheer Club and park. It was good – very, very good.
(continued. . . .)
- 64.229.235.77 - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 20:04:19 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Herb, it sounds like you Ohio guys and gals hit a home run! Talked to my mom tonight and the "Evening in Vienna", in particular, really stole the show. Nice job.
- 209.114.157.158 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 00:42:43 (UTC)

Trix:
Thanks Ridy for your wonderful, detailed report. WOW, what a great time everyone had. Remember Milwaukee in 2004. Maybe we will meet there. So glad you had a ball.
- 209.240.237.140 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 01:32:20 (UTC)

John B. Gladitsch:
Helmuth, I attended K.C.H.S.from 1965 to 1969
- 209.179.168.35 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 03:06:46 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ridy-Your report is making me homesick..By that I mean it brought back my whole Gottscheer family from the good old days-the music and the singing, and od course the eating to say nothing of the greatcomradely (sp?) And I keep thinking of our Accordian player friend from Cleveland who played at every party with us when he was in N.Y..And my memory is failing me-can only remembe his first name-Eddie- ..When someone would say, Eddie is coming to N.Y., we just couldn't wait to see him-great guy..Those were the real good old days, my friend..Thanks for the memories..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 04:30:34 (UTC)

Helmuth:
John, you must have been among the first graduating classes, because wasn't the school built in 1964 or thereabouts? I have great memories from that place.
- 170.201.180.35 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 11:07:14 (UTC)

Herb Mausser:
Paul, perhaps you're thinking of Eddie Seifert, who has been the Director of the Cleveland Gottscheer Blaskapelle for the past 34 years (as well as a member of the Heimatchor and the Tanz u. Spiel Kreis [dance group]). Eddie plays a mean accordian!
- 141.110.78.34 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 13:20:40 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi,

I know how religious so many of the Gottscheers are. Would you pray for me? I have advanced cancer. Thank you.
- 24.195.47.0 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 16:52:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Irene-You will be in our every prayer...God bless you..
- 68.194.42.188 - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 21:55:24 (UTC)

John B.Gladitsch:
Helmuth, Christ the King High School is a great school and most of the students graduating from there are well prepared for advanced studies at the university level.The school seemed "brand new" when I was there,the only complaint we had was the fact that the school did not have a swimming pool.
- 165.247.32.23 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 05:51:11 (UTC)

Jim:
Irene,
I will say prayers for you as well. Good luck with your treatment.
- 205.188.208.8 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 12:31:10 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Irene, may the blessing of good health return to you quickly. Stay in touch here in the PZ.
- 170.201.180.69 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 16:55:21 (UTC)

Helmuth:
John, yes I do remember everyone saying that was the one thing missing, a pool. You are correct in that it was a great education, at least it was back then. Did Brother Juan Salvador teach you Chemistry? I remember the bookstore downstairs by the curved hallway next to the cafeteria, they started selling music, shirts, etc. Really neat. Also the school was separated...girls on the left, boys on the right.
- 170.201.180.69 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 18:23:25 (UTC)

Bertha Mausser:
So glad everyone enjoyed themselves at the Treffen here in Cleveland, we try our hardest to make all feel at home and we enjoy doing it for you. It was nice to see so many familiar faces and to meet new ones,especially Ridy.You seemed to enjoy yourself, am I right?
- 66.94.79.44 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 19:20:04 (UTC)

Russell:
Helmuth, it sounds like you're describing Christ The King's "sister" school Mater Christi. Also John, Mater Christi didn't have a swimming pool either.
- 152.163.252.1 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 22:16:40 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
http://www.eouv.com/photo_treffen_2003.htm#Faces

If you go to the above web page, you'll find some pictures taken at the Treffen this past weekend.

Bertha Mausser -- I had a wonderful time at the Treffen! Don't remember when I've enjoyed myself as much. As a matter of fact, I'm still recovering from it, but I don't want to come down from Cloud Nine just yet.

While I'm on here, I would like to thank Liz Nick and Kate Pruente Baum for helping me sell "Memories of Childhood" and a special thank you to Holly Leers Droese for helping me with the paperwork when I couldn't keep up with it myself! Holly makes a terrific secretary, and the best friend in need, of course.

Now if only I could find my lucky Mercedes ballpoint pen again!
- 64.229.235.200 - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 23:58:54 (UTC)

John B.Gladitsch:
Helmuth, Yes ,Brother Juan was my chemistry teacher,he told us some great stories about his Cuban military experiences.He was a very charismatic teacher.I actually did well in my chemistry class,thanks to his excellent teaching ability.
- 165.247.45.165 - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 04:20:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank You Ridy for the Address--great picures-looked like a real great time---I did not see you in any pictures--keeping a low profile & selling books?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 04:46:06 (UTC)

Helmuth:
Russell, Mater Christi sounds familiar but I can't place it. Where is it located?

John, indeed Brother Juan was quite a character and a good teacher. Unfortunately despite this I got a "C" in chemistry. I compensated by doing much better in physics and math which serves me well even now. I used to take the Myrtle Avenue El one stop, from Fresh Pond to Metropolitan, every day. After work, I had a part time job at Green Tele-Radio which was an electronics wholesaler 1/2 block from Fresh Pond station.

Ridy, thanks for the pointer to the pictures!
- 170.201.180.69 - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 11:55:29 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Helmuth-It is a small world after all. Ilived in the Apt House behind Green Tele Radio and if I remember correctly, the fixed my wifes' portable radio once..I used to live on the fourth floor up there..Today I wouldn't last a week walking those stairs..How about mothers Restaurant-Remember?
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 19:29:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Herb: The Eddie that I was talking about was Eddie Stampfl. And I just found out that he is no longer with us..All I can say is he should rest in peace, and Heaven got a great guy and a great accordianist...Have a nice weekend Herb..
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 20:48:14 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
Hi Irene,
you are in my prayers and just think positive and never stop laughing, they say laughing is the best medicine
- 64.158.191.189 - Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 00:54:01 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
any Gottscheers who went to OLMM and or Grover Cleveland HS in Ridgewood
- 64.158.191.189 - Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 00:54:36 (UTC)

Russell :
Mater Christi used to be at Cresent St and 21 Avenue in Astoria. It opened in 1961 and was open until 1983. The it was taken over by St John's Prep that used to be on Lewis Avenue in Brooklyn.
- 152.163.252.36 - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 17:25:00 (UTC)

Trix:
HAPPY SUNDAY. Hope you are all enjoying a wonderful day. Very hot and humid here - definately not a typical September day - but, life is good. Look forward to chatting tonight.

Remember the Gottscheer Schlachtfest in Walden, NY today. GO AND HAVE FUN and then share.

- 209.240.237.171 - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 17:26:58 (UTC)

Ron Stalzer:
Haven't had the chance to join the chat on Sundays for sometime. Will try to make it tonight.
- 65.238.69.252 - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 21:17:26 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi everyone, Happy Sunday to all Gottscheers
- 152.163.253.101 - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 23:48:24 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. Will log on early so I can watch the President's speech. Hope to come back later.
- 67.74.19.93 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 00:21:26 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ron Stalzer: Are you related to Helmut Stalzer in Fort Lauderdale? His wife, Ilse, is my cousin. Just curious. My great-grandmother was Ursula Stalzer before she married Johannes Jonke of Kumerdorf.
- 67.74.19.93 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 00:22:44 (UTC)

Iinge Weber:
Hello Ridy;
I finaly made it in the Plauderzimmer with Arnolds help
I found you writing about the Treffen terrific and I am so glad that you,ve enjoyed yourself. Servus
- 216.214.13.67 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 00:47:33 (UTC)

Arnold:
Hi Inge.

I am glad you got here. I am running my other computer at the same time. No I have to worry about supper.

Cheers to all ..... Arnold
- 12.82.159.61 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:16:12 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
I'm back. Anyone log on while I was gone?
- 65.57.28.213 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:16:56 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ron Stalzer: Correction: My great grandmother, Ursula Stalzer, was married to my great grandfather, Andreas (?) Jonke of Kumerdorf. My my grands and my greats confused.
Lots of Stalzers around, I know. My cousin, Helmut, came from Klagenfurt (?)
- 65.57.28.213 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:19:34 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello Everyone
- 198.81.26.112 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:31:43 (UTC)

John Herbst III:
Hi Everyone!!
- 209.240.198.60 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:32:00 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
It has been a quite weekend. I am busy printing copies of my Underberg book. I am still doing some final touches to it, of course. Trying to clean up all the papers I don't need any more and straigten out my file cabinet. I think it is a losing battle.
- 198.81.26.102 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:37:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
That was supposed to say quiet weekend!
- 198.81.26.14 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:38:09 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello Everybody!
Great to see you found the Plauderzimmer Inge! Stick around and join in! Wonder what Arnold is cooking tonight? Marilu - great to see you're still going strong on your Underberg book! You may as well join my club while you're at it -- the ladies of the messy files! I keep telling my kids that I will definitely clean them out one of these days soon, if for no other reason than I don't want them stuck someday, having to clean them out after me. They assure me it won't take long -- just a couple of matches and some lighter fluid will do the trick!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:43:28 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy! I would be President of the Club! I have filing cabinets and shelves and everything is full! Too many projects going on at once. But I love it! My kids will probably threaten me with matches too. I tell them I am going to leave my house to clean out like my mother did.
- 198.81.26.12 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:50:07 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, I envied you being in Cleveland. I wish I could of went, but the budget would not stand one more trip this year. I would love to go back to Milwakee tho. I was there for the first time this summer, and I loved it.
- 198.81.26.107 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:51:48 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
LOL -- I remind my kids of all the little lost treasures I found when we had to clean out my mother's house - but they still talk about matches as a first resort!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:52:27 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Yes, my mothers house was full of treasures also. Some that she had no idea where they were anymore. I found lots of old pictures in her drawers.
- 198.81.26.73 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:53:55 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Marilu - I was lucky - it really didn't cost me much to go to Cleveland, but I'm seriously thinking about taking a young gentleman's advice and putting $10 a week into a Mason jar, so that by the time the Milwaukee Treffen comes around next year, I'll be able to fly there. I'm told the Treffen in Milwaukee is beautiful, although it's hard for me to imagine how any Treffen could top the one in Cleveland. I'm still in a very happy mood from it.
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:55:48 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hello everyone

I am having a hard time getting to chat with everyone. I will find out what to do and join you next week. Thanks to all of you who came to Cleveland for the 2003 Treffen. We loved having you and we hope to see everyone in Milwaukee next year. Chat with you next week.

- 205.188.209.13 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:55:50 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hilde -- please don't go -- but if you must, come back next Sunday evening!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:56:51 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, maybe we could finally meet in person next year in Milwaukee. that would be such fun.
- 198.81.26.38 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:58:51 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Ridy

Thanks for asking me to stay on, I guess I finally made progress. How are you?

- 205.188.209.136 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:59:26 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Marilu, I'd love that. It was so wonderful to finally meet Holly after all the years of chatting. I wish she could find time to come back on the Plauderzimmer.
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:59:59 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hilde -- I'm still reliving the wonderful time in Cleveland. I don't know how you people managed to do all that work all weekend! It was great seeing them men helping as well!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:01:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I wish Holly would come back on the Plauderzimmer also. I would of liked to come to Cleveland and have time to do a little research. Some of my Peschel and Shelko familes moved to Cleveland from Iowa years and years ago.
- 198.81.26.108 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:02:40 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
I'm not sure how much research you would have been able to do, Marilu. I had promised Gerhard to check for Samides, but I didn't have any success. There was always something else to do.
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:04:43 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Ridy, you know what it was, it was togetherness and working as a team. I think this was just about the best Treffen we had here in Cleveland. Everyone pitches in and got the job done. Everyone worked very hard and it took all week to get over being tired. On Monday when everyone left and we finally went home, I got home around 12 noon, went to bed and never got up until the next morning when it was time to go to work. We loved having the Treffen and we are so happy that everyone enjoyed themselves, that is what makes everything worthwhile.
- 205.188.209.74 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:05:46 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I would of had to stay a couple of extra days to do research, which I would of done. I have done a lot of trips like that the last 4-5 years.
- 198.81.26.47 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:06:33 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hilde, it was very obvious that there was a wonderful team spirit among the Cleveland group. I didn't meet one grouchy individual, and I thought surely by Monday morning I wouldn't see any smiles anymore. But when I dared to ask I even got a pot of tea for myself and a small pitcher of milk -- with a smile! It made me feel very special!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:08:43 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Ridy, I was born in Unterdeutschau and grew up in Graz and came to America in 1952, I was so happy to always run into Gottscheers that I either knew or met and made friends with them. My mother always told me that no matter where I went I found Gottscheers or found cousins of mine. She said you sure have a lot of cousins. Whenever I met someone new I would investigate and sure enough I would find a relative. Just as I did this weekend, I found a Mr. Schemitsch from New York whose mother, Aloisia Eppich was my father's first cousin. So you see I always enjoy Treffens. This time it was a little harder since I was busy most of the weekend, but watch out for next year, we will have lots of time in Milwaukee to visit. Please introduce yourself when we go to Milwaukee. I talk too much

- 205.188.209.105 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:12:51 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Well I will have to say good night now, I have to get up early and go to work. Talk to you next week. Have a good evening.

Regards

- 205.188.208.138 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:14:35 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hilde, how far apart were the towns of Unterdeutschau and Oberdeutschau?
- 198.81.26.41 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:15:34 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hilde -- I lived in Graz from 1945 to 1948 and attended the Ursulinenkloster!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:15:55 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Servus Hilde! I hope you'll join us again next Sunday!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:16:56 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Ridy, what a surprise that you also lived in Graz, and you know what, I wanted to go to the Ursulinenkloster also had I continued living in Graz. What a small world.
- 205.188.208.69 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:17:36 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Marilu Peschel, I will find out about Oberdeutschau, but I do not think it was that far apart. I met a Mr. Deutschman at the Treffen last week, also from Oberdeutschau; he came from a family of 10 children. My mother told me many times about Oberdeutschau, therefore I do not think that we were that far apart. I must look it up on the map. I was 4 years old when we left home, I do remember some things, but as far as villages are concerned, I am not informed about this, only what I learned from my parents. My father comes from Reintal (Lackner) Mother was a Meditz.
When I find out I will come back and let you know. Nice being part of the chat room, now that I know what to do.
Good night

- 205.188.208.138 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:21:24 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hilde, on the map it looks fairly close, but with the hills and such it is hard to tell how many actual miles, so I thought you might have an idea. I hope you come back on next weekend so we can chat. I have a Peschel that has a connection to a Meditz family in Oberdeutschau.
- 198.81.26.200 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:26:16 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hilde - Dü pischt lei a juhr jingö bi ich!

See you next week, everybody.... it's been fun, but it's past my bedtime! Gütei Nocht!
- 64.229.232.204 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:26:59 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night, Ridy and Hilde. See you next week.
- 198.81.26.76 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:28:17 (UTC)

Werner Lackner:
Doris, I went to Grover Cleveland, even graduated.
Spent the day at the Walden picnic. The weather was very comfortable, the food was very good as usual and we met and chatted with old friends. We had a great time.
- 24.45.49.151 - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:37:06 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
This is Thursday, Sept 10, 2003
I am just wondering if someone out there, specifically in New York knows any Meditz's. I am looking for my mother's brother Josef Meditz, he came to New York sometime in the middle 1920's. I know he had 2 children, but we were always out of luck in finding them. My uncle Josef came from Unterdeutschau, went to America as a young man. That is all I have, I do not know the names of the children or my aunt. It has been such a long time, we are looking and looking and to no avail. If anyone out there knows any Meditz's, please let me know. I would be most appreciative.

Good night

- 205.188.209.137 - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 01:53:01 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Let us all please pray for those who perished 9/11 and for the families....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 16:36:08 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hilde, I found Josef aboard the Pannonia in 1921 and he is going to Brooklyn to see his uncle, Friedrich Kump (married to Maria Meditz). Friedrich was a half brother to your grandmother, Katherina Kump. Josef is listed as living in Maierle at the time of emigration and his father is listed as Josef from Unterdeutschau. Do you know the name of his wife? I will check other records to see if I can find out more. His estimated birthyear was 1902.
- 152.163.252.231 - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 22:31:55 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Paul, I second that notion. Prayers to those who have died and to those who continue to protect our lives at home and abroad.
- 152.163.252.168 - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 22:32:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hail to the Victors! Three cheers for Michigan!
Michigan Rolls Over the Irish
Chris Perry scored four touchdowns, and Michigan shut out Notre Dame, 38-0.
- 64.229.233.239 - Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 00:55:28 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi friends, hope everyone is having a good weekend, hope to chat with all tonight ...Servus an allen Gottscheer
- 152.163.253.71 - Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 16:22:34 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Hello: It is early afternoon here in KC. Will be away tonight and cannot log on to plauderimmer. Glad to report the Chiefs are putting the Steelers away. Have a super week. Will check for messages later this week. Bleib gesund.
- 171.75.224.95 - Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 19:50:23 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi everyone, guess I am a little early tonight
- 205.188.209.141 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 00:24:02 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Doris ~ you're not really early. Punctuality may be a virtue elsewhere, but it hasn't been a requisite in the Plauderzimmer.
Hope you had a good weekend!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:35:07 (UTC)

Jim H:
Just a quick hello to everyone. It has been a long week. Hope everyone is fine.
- 152.163.252.40 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:36:45 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello Jim!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:38:19 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Ridy
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:40:39 (UTC)

Jim H:
We did a bit of driving this weekend but did manage to pick up a "Fruits of the Forest Pie" from the Alpine House in Honesdale, Pennsylvania. It is just north of Hawley. Great pie.
- 152.163.252.166 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:42:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hello to you, Gregg!
I think I may have told you some time ago that I had an aunt by marriage who was a Tramposch from Nesselthal.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:42:50 (UTC)

Jim H:
Trix, are you watching the Vikings on TV? Are they still winning? Margaret, the Chiefs still know how to put points on the board. They must be exciting to watch now that Priest Holmes is healthy.
- 152.163.252.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:44:14 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim - I'm told by my secret sources that those pies are very healthy and nutritious and don't have any calories in them. So enjoy a guilt-free treat!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:44:19 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hello, Doris.
- 152.163.253.101 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:44:38 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Ridy, I don't remember but coincidentally I am in contact with the Nesseltal Tramposch descendants. Seems a large group of them immigrated to Kansas City about the same time my Tramposch family did, but they didn't know each other.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:45:21 (UTC)

Ridy:
Yeah, the Vikings and the Chiefs may be great, but Michigan rules! (I know we're not talking about the same league, OK?!)
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:46:06 (UTC)

Ridy:
I'm fairly certain that my aunt landed and stayed in New York (Ridgewood)
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:46:56 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I watched Priest play today and he was fascinating. He reminds me a bit of Marcus Allen with his abilities and all.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:47:02 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi everyone. Yes, Dr. Jim, the Vikings are still doing fine. I am hoping for another win. Would be very, very nice.
We had a beautiful fall day with more to come. I like the temps around 70 with a slight wind from the north. Am enjoying a nice fire. Hope everyone is ok.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:47:22 (UTC)

Jim H:
Ridy, the pie is no doubt healthier than most but I will not be deceived into thinking that there are no calories. Plenty of good taste but definitely a calorie or two in the mix. Tastes rules over calories when it comes to this pie.
- 152.163.252.102 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:48:08 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Trix -
Send some cooler weather this way, please. The heat and humidity is killing me. Hate the run the airconditioning at this time of the year, but it's a must.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:48:48 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Ridy what was your aunt by marriage name? Who did she marry that I guess is your uncle?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:49:00 (UTC)

Trix:
OK what is "The Fruits of the Forest Pie?"
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:49:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello everyone I thought I would check in

- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:49:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
My aunt Luise was Aloisia Tramposch Hoegler, married to my uncle Karl Hoegler
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:50:00 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hello Sharon.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:50:18 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Sherri!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:50:26 (UTC)

:
Good Evening everyone, first time I connected with everyone else.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:50:55 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Of course errors were made at my first attempt.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:51:18 (UTC)

Jim H:
It is a pie made of many different fruits. Probably the exact mix changes from day to day but there are apples, cherries, assorted berries and rhubarb with a light pie crust and glazed sugar on top.
- 152.163.252.131 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:51:26 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Ridy you can have our cool weather. I wouldn't mind some more warm weather
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:51:32 (UTC)

Ridy:
Errors are forgiven, George. Welcome to the Plauderzimmer!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:51:45 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hi, George!! Nice to "see" you.
- 152.163.252.166 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:52:02 (UTC)

George Plautz:
I just heard that we can no longer look at birth records after 1900 at the Slovenian Archives in Ljubljana. The policy went into effect in May or June. Lucky we have the microfilm.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:53:07 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Hi Jim, glad to see you as well. :)
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:53:35 (UTC)

Jim H:
Ridy and Gregg, so far no link between Gregg and Aloisia. Probably is one at one time but I haven't made it yet.
- 152.163.252.6 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:54:04 (UTC)

Trix:
Welcome George Plautz. Yes, it is indeed nice to have you with us. So, what's new in your world?
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:54:04 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Hi Trix, if you are still on.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:54:14 (UTC)

Ridy:
That's interesting, George -- can you still buy copies of birth certificates, or do you know?
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:54:54 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Just working hard Trix.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:55:12 (UTC)

Jim H:
Sharon, the weather in NJ has been wet but about average in temperature. The east coast is looking at the reports about Isabelle possibly coming up later in the week to wreak havoc.
- 152.163.253.100 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:55:41 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Ridy could I get your email address if you don't mind?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:55:42 (UTC)

Trix:
George - why do you supppose the change in policy at the Archives in Ljubljana?
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:55:47 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well I'm stuck on my research. I found 3 different dates for my 6 Grandfather at house #27 in Hohenegg around 1813. And to make things worse the film went from a nice neat typed book to a hand written paragraphs.
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:56:06 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Prior to 1900. Peter Hawlina, the President of the Slovenian Genealogy Society there is going to ask questions. Wants our help if they put up resistance. Seems that 80 years is the usual reserve. Anyone have an idea of when records can be looked at in this country?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:56:39 (UTC)

Ridy:
It's
ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:56:43 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Jim the only thing that wrecks havoc here is my sisters 4 children Hurricane TASS, their initials
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:57:24 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Peter didn't know, but I have an idea it is about privacy.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:57:42 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Trix, anything happening in Minnesota?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:58:31 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
some people are still alive so they have to protect their privacy
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:58:32 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hurricane TASS -- forces of nature!!
- 152.163.253.1 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:59:44 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Have you seen the Julian Sleeper museum?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:00:44 (UTC)

Ridy:
Are you up in Minnesota, George?
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:01:54 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Good evening. I finally am able to sign on. Hope everyone is well. Are we still all connected, or is everyone gone for the evening.

Hello Ridy

Thank you for your lovely e-mail; it made my day. I do hope that we will meet sometime soon. Where do you live?
Let me know

Thanks

Hilde Kobetitsch

- 64.12.96.40 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:02:28 (UTC)

George Plautz:
No Ridy, but I am from Wisconsin, and have lots of relatives living in Minnesota. I currently reside in Virginia.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:02:46 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Hilde - glad you made it back to the Plauderzimmer!

Has everyone recovered after the Treffen?

I live in Toronto -- actually, to be specific, I live in Scarborough, which I call Scarberia. It's the east end of Toronto.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:04:10 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Jim, what are you up to these days?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:04:55 (UTC)

Ridy:
Greg - I thought the museum you mentioned is in Minnesota. Sometimes (frequently) I think wrong.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:05:13 (UTC)

Ridy:
Don't just think wrong - I type Greg when I think George. . . . Senior moment, which has now stretched into a Senior decade...
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:05:52 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Ridy, yes the museum is in northern Minnesota. I'm George.
I know that Trix lives in Minnesota. Trix and I belong to the Slovenian Genealogy Society International, Inc. and I belong to GHGA.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:06:20 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
That's okay Ridy, I knew who you meant.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:06:54 (UTC)

George Plautz:
The Slovenian Women's Union had their convention in Duluth.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:07:04 (UTC)

George Plautz:
What's a Treffen?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:07:24 (UTC)

Ridy:
The Treffen was a gathering of Gottscheers from all over North America which this year was held in Cleveland. It's always held over the Labor Day weekend. The next one will be in Milwaukee. Does anyone know where the 2005 Treffen will be held? Should be Kitchener or Toronto..... Trix - do you know?
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:09:26 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
hey the GHGA didn't put up the renewal list for their soceity.
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:09:38 (UTC)

Jim H:
George, work, family, genealogy, staying out of trouble. My youngest daughter left for college earlier this month and we are adjusting to a house that is a lot quieter and with much less laundry.

- 152.163.253.39 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:09:45 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Ridy
Nice that you are still on. I just came home from my German Radio Program, which I host with a friend from the Donauschwaben society. I used to work with him and he was on Radio before and when he was asked again 8 years ago, he also wanted me to join him. We have the program on Sunday from 4 til 7:30 until time change and then it will be from 4 -5 pm until spring. We have quite a following of the American folks here in Ohio. We also have people calling us from PA and from Detroit. We play beautiful German and Austrian music and we talk about the Gottscheers and the Donauschwaben and the similarity we share.

The Donauschwaben Society here in Cleveland sponsors our program, it is volunteer work for us. But what fun.

And you know what, we have a fine lady in our club by the name of Berta Weber (Mauser) who wrote a beautiful poem for the Christmas season and I aired it on our Christmas program last year. I will get my floppy disk from work and will copy it for you, it is simply beautiful. I think that was a first on any German program, to hear the Gottscheer dialect and that made me very proud. This is great, we can voice our language on public radio.

Have a wonderful week

Hilde

- 64.12.97.11 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:09:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
that would be great if held in Toronto or Kitchener, I would really think about going
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:10:23 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hilde, have you had a chance to check out my earlier message to you in the Plauderzimmer. I also sent you an email.
- 152.163.252.103 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:10:41 (UTC)

Jim H:
Ridy and Gregg, Aloisia most likely came over in 1923 and went to a cousin, Josef Meditz, at 1510 Gates Avenue in Brooklyn. That is a block north from where I grew up.
- 152.163.252.69 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:11:46 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Where is the renewal list usually posted?? My cousin is Elfride Stonich, secretary of GHGA, related through the my Slovenian side. I am related to the Brunskoles of Mavrlen also (Brinskelle), but I am not sure where they came from before settling in Mavrlen (Maierle).
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:13:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
well goodnight everyone
- 199.243.153.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:13:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hilde -- I finally met Berta Mausser at the Treffen! I also met her husband and daughter. I would love to have a copy of her poem!

Had a phonecall from Elisabeth Gagl in Middle Village yesterday.... she was calling to chat about my book (mine and Arnold Rom's) and she tells me she's had stories about Gottschee as well as poems published in the Gottscheer Zeitung which comes out of Klagenfurt!!!

Would love to be able to catch your radio show, Hilde!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:13:48 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Jim

Yes I did find your message today, I will reply to you tomorrow when I get home from work. That is nice of you to try to help me. You know the person I am most interested in is a brother of my mother, Josef Meditz, who lived in New York. I really do not know what year he came to America, but he was married and had two children. When my mom was still alive we tried to find him, but we had no success at all. It would be nice if I would be able to find that side of my family here in America.

I will e-mail you more

Have a wonderful night

Hilde

- 64.12.96.72 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:13:53 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Jim is that the same Josef Meditz who married Erna Hogler?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:15:19 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Ridy

The Berta Mausser you are talking about is not the one with the poem. Berta is married to a John Weber, also a Donauschwabe, I believe. I think Berta is from Burmbarg (?). I will send you the poem as promised.

- 64.12.96.134 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:16:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jim - it may well have been that Tante Luise came over in 1923. . . .don't know,but I'll ask her daughter, Nettie. I think Richie, Nettie's husband, checks the Plauderzimmer but doesn't participate. That address sounds familiar. . .
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:17:09 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hilde - some day I'll tell you about the mix-up when I asked for Berta Mausser -- it happens when there is more than one with the same name! The only advantage to having a name like mine is that I'm not likely to ever meet another Ridy Skyrme.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:19:07 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Jim and Ridy, I found another Aloisia born abt 1902 who immigrated to her dad's house at 18 Summerplace in Brooklyn on 18 Dec 1919. Ellis island says she's from Znaim Czechoslovakia and shows her father as Leonhard Tramposch. Siblings Leonard, Ferdinand, Rudolf. Ridy could this be your aunt by marriage?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:19:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
Don't think so -- my aunt was from Nesselthal.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:20:50 (UTC)

Jim H:
George, there is a link with that Josef M. to Erna H. but I don't think it is the same one. That Josef would have only been ten in 1923 so the dates don't match. Hilde, perhaps we can find out more about your Josef but we might get lucky.
- 152.163.252.228 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:21:57 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Ridy
Talking about senior moments, I forgot, where were you born? Where your parents both from the same Dorf?

Back to the Treffen. I was so surprised to have met a cousing of mine, who now lives in New York. His mother and my father were first cousins. His name was Schemitsch, would'nt you know, I also forgot his first name. I will find out from another cousin of mine here in Cleveland. His mother was Aloisia Schemitsch from Reintal and lived in Brooklyn, NY. It was nice to have seen him and meet him, he seemed such a nice person, but I forgot to ask for his address, since I was too busy at the moment. One never stops and smells the roses.

- 64.12.96.199 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:24:28 (UTC)

Jim H:
Gregg, I noticed that Aloisia as well. The names all sound Gottscheerisch but the location is not a good one. The Aloisia that I looked at is listed as from Kocevje and her father is Josef. That fits with the Aloisia that married Karl Hogler.
- 152.163.252.98 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:24:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hilde - I was born in Kukendorf, in the same house in which my father, Wilhelm Hoegler, was born. Mother was from Ebental.... she was Mitzi Mausser.
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:27:30 (UTC)

Jim H:
Hilde, perhaps the Treffen organizers have a list of attendees and you can locate his information in that way.
- 152.163.252.70 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:29:33 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello..just got home from my granddaughter's birthday party. Anyone still around?
- 64.12.96.201 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:29:54 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Again I must say good night. I am so tired lately and need to go to bet. We had a wedding at our club yesterday and I cooked for it. Had many hours there and just need to get a little rest. The nights just flies past. Thank you everyone for your information and I will chat again with you next Sunday. Have a wonderful week.

- 64.12.96.167 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:30:20 (UTC)

Jim H:
It is time for me to shut it down. I hope everyone has a good week.
- 152.163.252.40 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:30:23 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Jim & Ridy: I've got some 1930 census entries that show Louise Tramposch born abt 1918 living in Queens. Father is Josef Tramposch from Austria and mother is Elizabeth. Siblings are Julia and Marion. Am I close here?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:30:27 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Jim, I thought of that after I typed the message. Will follow up tomorrow. Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes one just forgets. By the way Jim, were you here in Cleveland at the Treffen?

- 64.12.96.169 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:31:42 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Hi Marilu, how's your research going?
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:32:53 (UTC)

Ridy:
Gregg - No - I think Tante Luise would have been born before 1918....
Hi Marilu!
Gütei Nocht, Hilde and Jim; Have a good week!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:33:55 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi George..I just finished my Underberg book, and am in the process of printing it. I have not been doing much on the Gottscheer side this past few months.
- 64.12.96.206 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:34:15 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Ridy!
- 64.12.96.40 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:35:07 (UTC)

Ridy:
Did you get a loot bag at the birthday party, Marilu?
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:36:35 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
LOLOL The only one who got loot at this party was my granddaughter! Oh, they had a pinata, and we all got candy from that!
- 64.12.97.11 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:38:00 (UTC)

Ridy:
So sorry - but the sandman calleth, and I must bid you all a good night. Hope you chat with all of you again next Sunday!
Gute Nacht!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:40:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight, Ridy. See you next week.
- 64.12.96.231 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:41:12 (UTC)

Ridy:
I should have signed off before that last posting.... my mind is scrambled this evening and I haven't even had my Betthupferl yet!
- 64.229.233.239 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:41:30 (UTC)

George Plautz:
Gute nacht everyone.
- 68.100.98.34 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:42:37 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Good night, see you next Sunday.
- 64.12.96.170 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:44:40 (UTC)

Trix:
George, where, in northern Minnesota is the museum? Sorry but I am not familiar with it at all.
Any further plans for the next SGSI convention or gathering in Ljubljana?
What's new in Minnesota, you ask? Well, time certainly seems to fly. Can't believe fall is here and Christmas just around the corner. The big topic in the political arena, of course, is the war and the economy. I think a lot of people are very, very concerned about both. We have had some excellent discussion at our DFL (Democratic Farmer Labor) luncheons.
Changes in our life have been a big factor too.
I stay very busy with my work on Project Gottschee including fundraising for the restoration of the churches in Rodine (near Crnomelj) and my home village of Tschermoschnitz (Crmosnjice). It's a labor of love for me and our daughter who co-chairs these projects with me.
- 209.240.237.130 - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 02:44:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Batten down the hatches! Just did here on L.I. Now if the trees hold up, it won't be too bad, at least in my neighborhood anyway...Stay safe everyone-wherever you are...God Bless..
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 19:04:37 (UTC)

Russell:
Maybe Thursday night into Friday morning will be rainy and windy. But on this late Thursday afternoon there is a nice breeze coming in thru my window.
- 152.163.252.166 - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 22:12:10 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Ditto, Russell, But the wind is getting stronger and it is quite humid-it definately is coming,perhaps not as bad as some predict....My only worry is a huge tree in my back yard- I had an order in to trim some of the branches, but the SOBs never showed up.....
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 22:33:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Friday - Hi Gottscheers in the Eastern part of the USA. How are you doing? We are all thinking of you and sending you prayers and best wishes. If you have time, and when you get back on line, please share your experiences with us.

God Bless!!!
- 209.240.245.159 - Friday, September 19, 2003 at 18:13:24 (UTC)

Paul B.:
All is well in my neck of the woods Trix......I tied everything down and every thing is still here in their rightful places...Just a lot of wind and some rain-nothing to write home about, Thanks be to God..I have yet to read about the rest of the Island...Hope you all have a very nice weekend......
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, September 19, 2003 at 20:49:51 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Trix: Heard from my cousin, Pete Yonke. Didn't know he and a friend went to Austria this summer?? His wife has a broken arm right now. Did you know Pete went to Austria??
- 171.75.224.48 - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 16:37:40 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi,
Here in Albany, NY we were very lucky and did not receive much of anything. As Russell described it was hot, humid and windy with rain on and off. I pray for the people on the east coast who received a bad hit.
- 24.195.47.0 - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 16:39:53 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yes Irene,some did have it bad..We had a friend down from albany last weekend-don't envytheir 7 hour trip back-but thry got home safe and sound. GOOD SUNDAY TO ALL,
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 17:46:54 (UTC)

Eduard Stalzer:
Hello everyone!
- 207.5.223.35 - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 23:45:08 (UTC)

Eduard Stalzer:
Hi Margie!
- 207.5.223.35 - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 23:46:16 (UTC)

ingeweber:
Hello Ridy
I wonder if you are in the plauderzimmer tonight but just want to say "Hi" to you
- 209.81.205.153 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 00:03:34 (UTC)

Eduard Stalzer:
Margie are you on tonight?
- 207.5.223.35 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 00:20:17 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi friends, hope everyone had a good weekend God Bless :))
- 64.158.180.242 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 00:32:14 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi friends, hope everyone had a good weekend God Bless :))
- 64.158.180.242 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 00:33:38 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello, anyone still around??
- 152.163.252.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:33:20 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi everyone

How are you this wonderful Sunday evening?

I had a good day, we had Kirchtag at the EOUV, with Mass and lunch. The Tanzgruppe performed and Ed Seifert played his button box. What a day. Wish you all would have been here again this weekend.

Hilde

- 64.12.96.200 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:35:58 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
I guess everyone is out tonight. I do hope that everyone made it through this past week ok with the weather and all. We did not have it bad this time, rain on Friday, but that was all. Well I will talk to you next week. Have a good night and I will pray for everyone and ask the Lord that the weather did not do too much damage for some of you.

- 64.12.96.232 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:39:13 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi Inge Weber

Are you from the Cleveland area? If so, I just saw you today at the EOUV, right?

- 64.12.96.76 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:40:21 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hilde, do you know any Shelko's from the Cleveland area?
- 152.163.252.71 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:42:26 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Marilu Peschel

I am afraid I do not. Where do they live, I could find them for you?

Hilde

- 64.12.96.6 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:44:30 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Well good night, it is quiet tonight. Will talk to you again next week.

- 64.12.96.234 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:46:55 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hilde, you do live in Cleveland, right? I would have to look up the area where they lived. There is a Shelko women who was a coucilman from one of the areas. Have to look that up also.
- 152.163.252.197 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:47:11 (UTC)

Russell:
I wasn't going to say anything. But I thought I'd stop and say hello to everyone. It looks like a quiet night and I doubt if I could shake things up a little. I'll probably stay here for a while before I wonder off.
- 64.12.96.71 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:48:56 (UTC)

Russell:
By the way, HELLO!
- 64.12.96.9 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:50:01 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hi Russell, yes it is a quite night. Seems like whenever I am home, no one else is. I could be getting a complex!
- 152.163.252.102 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:50:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
OPPs Quiet night lol
- 152.163.201.46 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:50:57 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Marilu. I am your neighbor in Blue Springs.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:58:25 (UTC)

Russell:
I've said it before. Not knowing who is in here makes it difficult for me to be in here. Maybe the room is very quiet or there are alot of people in here who're not saying anything.
- 64.12.96.102 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:58:58 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
gregg, where is blue springs
- 152.163.252.162 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 01:59:17 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I figure is someone is around, they will answer me.
- 152.163.253.8 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:00:02 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Russell, you are probably right. I know some folks monitor the site without much input.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:00:12 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I think I messed up...I was thinking you were someone I talked to that lives in KC. Sorry, but how are you doing anyway?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:01:31 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Gregg, I live in Canon City Colorado. And am doing wonderful. Busy doing genealogy of course. lol
- 152.163.252.197 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:04:04 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I've been adding a few new entries today myself. Boy this never ends! I am so addicted my wife thinks I am nuts. I wonder if any one else's spouse feels the way mine does? Marilu, are you anywhere near Denver?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:05:52 (UTC)

Russell:
Being in this room is like playing "Blind Man's Bluff" I can "sense" people in here. But I've no way of knowing if there are unless someone speaks or I trip over them.
- 64.12.96.198 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:06:06 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Gregg, I am about 40 miles southwest of Colorado Springs, and my husband thinks I am nuts too! I have been doing this for about 8 years, and it only gets worse.
- 152.163.252.165 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:07:14 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Russell, don't think we've met.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:07:48 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I've got cousins in Grand Junction, Denver and somewhere else out there. I myself haven't been to Colorado but once when I was 4 years old. Some of them are coming to visit KC in June though so I will get to meet them.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:10:05 (UTC)

Russell:
Gregg, I am a posible cousin of Sharon Eisenzopf. My Maternal GrandFather was an Eisenzopf. I don't know of an connection betwen her and my line. Maybe it's there. But not discovered yet.
- 64.12.96.204 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:11:33 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I was just working on some Eisenzopf entries in my database this afternoon. Sharon and I have a positive connection that we have pinpointed between us. A Magdalena Eisenzopf is my great grandmother, and her brother is where Sharon's ancestry comes in. What village etc is your family from?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:14:00 (UTC)

Russell:
To be honest I hav no idea where my Eienzopf's come from. My mother has salways said her father's family came from an area north of Italy. Around Trieste. His Father came to Italy to work in the Royal Italian Court. He met and married an Italian woman. In 1893 just as they were leaving for America, my GrandFather was born. When he was growing up, My GrandFather probably lived in Ridgewood. But I knew him better as a carpenter raising a family in Corona, NY with his brothers and sisters living nearby.
- 64.12.96.77 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:23:04 (UTC)

Russell:
whoops!
- 64.12.97.9 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:23:22 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hello people. how are things going?
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:32:04 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
It rained here all day and probably will all night
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:32:30 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Did I missed everyone tonight?
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:34:34 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Sharon, what's up?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:35:18 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
nothing much. lazy day today
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:35:38 (UTC)

Russell:
Speaking of which......
- 64.12.96.7 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:35:45 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Russell does this mean we can't talk about Sharon anymore? Just kidding Sharon. We were discussing Eisenzopfs.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:37:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
went grocery shopping today, bought a butternut squash. I'm going to make some soup out of it
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:37:30 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Russell I have seen the Trieste location on several entries off and on, but I don't have any concrete info about it or any relatives that I can link to there right now.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:38:15 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I see that. well I'm stuck in my research. I don't know if I'm going to get any further back
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:38:30 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
How do you make that soup? I had squash today but it was baked.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:38:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Russell what year did they come to the states again
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:39:00 (UTC)

Russell:
My Grandfather was born December 1893. So I'd say he came to the US 1894-1985.
- 64.12.96.205 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:39:57 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetingss from a damp Minnesota. Had a beautiful day yesterday but today cloudy, drizzling and damp. That's ok too - we need it.
Just returned from our annual Aitkin Co. DFL (Democratic-
Farmer-Labor Party NOT damn food liberals as you might have thought - naughty, naughty). It was another GREAT event. We will probably clear around $4,000.00 for campaign 2004. My 40+ years in the political arena has brought me much joy and learning. I like it as much as my work with Project Gottschee. Our fundraiser consists of a buffet dinner followed by an auction of donated items from our members and business community. It is a fun, fun time.
Hope you are all doing well. Regarding the thought that many are with us in silence is probably very accurate. I remember when I first learned of the Plauderzimmer - I was very intimidated but boy, no more. I figure if people don't want to be actively involved that's o.k. They must have their reasons. I like meeting people and learning from them so I just want them to know that I would welcome their participation and discussion on any topic.
For your information you might like to know that the newly renovated church in Rodine, in the former Gottschee, was dedicated today with a mass and celebration. 700 people attended and it was a day to honor and remember the contributions of the Gottscheers by all who were there. That is wonderful. It is particularly great to have the clergy so interested in our ancestors and their desire to preserve in one way or another whatever remains of any church of chapel in the villages that were destroyed during the way. Yes, I think we are making huge progress in communicating and friendship building and I am extremely proud to be a part of it.
Marilu and Greg - I am proud of you both for your love of your Gottscheer roots. CONGRATULATIONS AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
- 209.240.245.157 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:41:56 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
peel the squash and cut it up into cubes then boil until soft. In a frying pan saute some diced onions with some garlic and rosemary. After the squash is boiled puree it and then put in a pot with the saute onions. add water to how much you want then simmer. then add some instant potatoes to thicken some. not too much though. Its really good with the garlic and rosemary. Really simple to make.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:42:34 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I usually dip a bun into the soup
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:45:02 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Russell did you ever go to ellis island and look up the ship manifest. I've seen the one online but it doesn't go back very far online. It will have some info in the manifest. My Great Uncle was online and I printed it off. It showed that he was a taylor.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:46:39 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Sounds great! That would have been good today as it rained and was pretty drury outside.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:46:48 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Trix, glad to hear from you.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:47:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Maybe that why I like to sew. I probably get it from him
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:47:15 (UTC)

Russell:
I might like it also. I'm always willing to try a different soup.
- 64.12.96.230 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:47:59 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Sharon you have raised a question to me...does the online version of Ellis Island not show all the records?
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:48:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
The trick to really good soup is too saute your veggies first in the same pot that your going to make your soup in.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:49:35 (UTC)

Russell:
I've been to EllisIsland.org But have never been able to find relatives on it. I feel if I ever find about about family it's going to be from cousins instead of websites.
- 64.12.96.106 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:50:08 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
no it doesn't. I think its a matter of volunteer to enter the info into the program and it takes alot of time. They actually show the actual manifest book
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:50:50 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I have always had good luck with Ellis Island website. There are two Tramposch's I can't find on it both named Josef though. I'm sure they came during the time Ellis Island was operating.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:52:07 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
yes Russell but this will give you some idea as to where to start looking. It will show what his occupation was in the other country.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:52:15 (UTC)

Russell:
What is the addy again?
- 64.12.96.42 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:52:58 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Gregg always look at the alternates spelling because there is different spellings and depending on how the person felt like entering in the book
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:53:37 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I've seen the online manifests too. Quite a site. I was under the assumption that all manifest records they ever had had been processed onto their website.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:53:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
ellis island.org
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:54:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I wish they could have all the records online.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:54:52 (UTC)

Russell:
Reminds me of the beginning of Godfather II. Vito the boy is at Ellis Island. The man at the table can't make out the name on the kid's card so he "names" him after the town he fled from.
- 64.12.96.166 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:55:25 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
If you know the approximate date that someone came here, you can order microfilm thru the LDS Library in your area, and look at the actual images of passenger lists. There are usually about 3 months on a film.
- 152.163.253.6 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:56:14 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
I found several of my family that way.
- 152.163.253.97 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:56:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Russell what you will see is that they ask for a name. gives you the record in text form Somewhere on the form it will say look at orginal manifest. click onto that. let it load up and it can takes some time. best time to look at records is later on in the evening when their site isn't so busy. Daytime takes alot longer and sometimes it too full that they ask you to come back later.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:57:21 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Boy I don't doubt that kind of naming actually went on! Can you imagine the workers trying to fill in all these emigrants info, with the different languages, dialects etc.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:57:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
same thing my Grandfather when through. The wanted him to shorten his name but he wouldn't do it. Grandpa was very proud of his name.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 02:59:17 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I've printed off the original manifest. Little hard to read but thats what photocopiers are for.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:01:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
what I would like to do is find a marriage cert. to my Great Aunt and see who she married. Maybe I can find her descendents. I have know idea where to look. All I know is that she might have stayed at her cousins Stimpfel. There is kinda an address and I have another really faded address on back of a pictured.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:04:55 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
maybe she was married in the other country, I don't know. completly at a wall on this relative.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:06:41 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sharon, where do you think your Great aunt got married.
- 152.163.252.200 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:07:17 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Well my email is ringing and it's getting late. Better answer them and call it a night. Everybody take care.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:07:17 (UTC)

Russell:
What is your Great Aunt's name?
- 64.12.96.203 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:07:37 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I don't know, all I know is that she was born in Hohenegg. She is about 15 years older then my Grandpa.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:08:27 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Maria
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:08:36 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
good night Gregg
- 152.163.252.199 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:09:20 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
there is 2 marias' around the same age that came over I think on the same boat. I printed the manifest off showing the record. I don't remember printing the other maria's record off. I'll have to look it up tomorrow.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:10:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
goodnight Gregg
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:10:31 (UTC)

Russell:
Closest I have is an Aunt names Maria. Do you have somewhere anything about twin girls born about 1915? I'd mention the names. But I'd like to know if you know anythinmg about them? IIRC my Mother, Twins were very rare.
- 64.12.96.169 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:11:10 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Gregg is right it is getting late. I should also get going. Everyone have a safe week and see you next Sunday.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:11:31 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Sharon, do you have any idea where they first lived here.
- 152.163.252.33 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:12:37 (UTC)

Russell:
To be continued next week!
- 64.12.96.79 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:12:42 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I have heard anything about the twin except from you looking for information. I take it that they were born in the US
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:13:28 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
maybe 2 addresses.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:13:51 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
but my Uncle's record show that he was joining his sister in Brooklyn like maybe 5 years later.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:14:25 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
sorry Russell I meant Haven't
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:15:29 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Goodnight everyone
- 152.163.253.65 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:16:09 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
anyways definetly time to go, I can't type properly.
- 69.26.69.100 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:16:34 (UTC)

Russell:
The Twins were born in Corona, NY. I think the date was May 22, 1915. I've heard twins were very uncommon and for awhile they were local celebrities.
- 64.12.96.76 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 03:43:14 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hello and good night everyone-just getting on and snooping-it is 12:48 A.M. Had to watch the Emmy awards tonite--Wish you all a good week.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 04:51:12 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Russell why don't you check out newsclippings for that era. There might be something there.
- 69.26.69.112 - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 18:45:16 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well the weather here is pretty rainy, can't wait until Friday when the sun is suppose to be back (keeping my fingers crossed)
- 69.26.69.91 - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 21:05:28 (UTC)

Maragaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. See you on line on Sunday. Bleib gesund.
- 65.57.29.38 - Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 00:40:36 (UTC)

Maragaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are having a good week. Bleib gesund.
- 65.57.29.38 - Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 00:41:18 (UTC)

Maragaret Jonke:
Spelled my first name incorrectly. Sorry. Margaret
- 65.57.29.38 - Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 00:43:26 (UTC)

Paul B.:
The weekend is upon us,so have a very good one everyone..For anyone who lives nearby here in Nassau County, The Forest Inn in Farmingdale will have Bud grammer and his music Saturday nite.Remenber him from the club house in Ridgewood anyone?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 04:06:11 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Yuo did know, I'm sure, that I meant KLUB HAUS?
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 17:36:07 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Another correction. and I swear I HAVE NOT BEEN DRINKING-THE PLACE IS THE BLACK FOREST INN! YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GET AS OLD AS ME-YOU GET A LITTLE DU DAT SOMETIMES...
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 21:54:55 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
12:28 A.M. Just got back from the Black Forest Restaurant and Brau Haus. Bud Gramer and his wife Linda put on a real good show-the joint was jumpin' and probably still is right now....Things have changed since I last saw them.No accordian.He played keyboard with background and it was great..Linda did her Frau Myer dance and she was great..I wish i had just half her energy...They will be playng the neighborhood again in about a week at the other German place in Farmingdale-on Allen Blvd, just off Rt.110..Anybody on the Island that can make it will not be disappointed...
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 04:38:11 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Hello....anyone around yet tonite?
- 152.163.252.229 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 01:08:30 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. Fall is here in KC. Cool nights and mornings, warm days. Fabulous weather.
Anyone logged on yet??
- 171.75.224.89 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 01:12:25 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Werner: Have you logged on? Had a super visit with my brother, Louis. Hadn't seen him for 8 years. Got email from Eddie. I hear he is working in Boston now. Has also changed jobs.
- 171.75.224.89 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 01:15:46 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry. My last message came on 4 times. Don't understand that!!
- 171.75.224.89 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 01:18:50 (UTC)

hello:
how are you tonight ?
- 152.163.253.103 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 01:20:00 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Must log off. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.
- 171.75.224.89 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 01:27:50 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Hi

How is everyone this evening? Did you all sign off already? Hope you have a good week
- 152.163.253.99 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:02:41 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hi Hilde - everyone!
Sorry I'm so late tonight - it's been busy around here. Is anyone still on?
- 64.229.234.148 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:18:57 (UTC)

:
Hi Ridy
Nice to see you are still on. I signed off for a while, I had problems with my printer, I wanted to print what Jim send me. I finally got it back in working order. I Not a wizard when it comes to mechanical things.
- 152.163.252.162 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:30:43 (UTC)

Ridy:
I think that last message is from Hilde. Right?
Trust me, most of us aren't wizards either. That's where the younger generation comes in handy!
- 64.229.234.148 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:32:53 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Yes, the last message was from Hilde. It is getting late and I am forgetful. By the way, tomorrow I start a new era in my life. I am going to my first class of taking weight off. Curves is the place. They tell me that I will feel good within a month already. We shall see. I have a 7 a.m. appointment. Will let you know how it turns out.

Hilde

- 152.163.252.232 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:39:29 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
I will say good night to all of you. Have a good night and I hope the weather will be good for the beginning of our new week.

Hilde

- 152.163.252.162 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:40:48 (UTC)

Ridy:
Good night, Hilde, and good luck on the program!
- 64.229.234.148 - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 02:42:42 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Just checking if anyone is on tonight.

Hilde
- 64.12.96.47 - Wednesday, October 01, 2003 at 02:44:59 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Ridy

I am just so happy that you introduced me to Jim. He sure has a lot of information that I was looking for. Bless you

Talk to you on Sunday

Hilde

- 205.188.208.75 - Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 02:40:55 (UTC)

ariana:
how do you say ich liebe dich
- 66.58.156.133 - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 00:58:13 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I Love You and Te Amo
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 01:07:41 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend to everyone...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 22:00:15 (UTC)

Ridy:
Aw, Paul - anyone can wish us a happy weekend. . . .
I liked your message before that better! And of the two, I prefer 'te amo' :-)
- 64.229.233.43 - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 15:37:58 (UTC)

Paul B.:
O.K. Te amo-te amo-te amo..Amore and cara mia too!!!Careful Ridy, the Gov, is investigating all this mushy stuff!
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 16:28:02 (UTC)

BOB:
HELLO
- 152.163.253.4 - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 17:58:20 (UTC)

Tanja:
Hello,anybody out there?
- 162.39.253.168 - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 23:13:22 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi all my Gottscheer Friends, Happy Sunday to all
- 64.12.96.230 - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 23:47:00 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
hi all my Gottscheer Friends, Happy Sunday to all
- 64.12.96.230 - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 23:56:35 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
goodevening everyone
- 199.243.152.24 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 00:32:17 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
Hi Sharon. How are you?
- 205.188.209.74 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 00:51:12 (UTC)

:
hi frank doing fine and u ?

- 199.243.152.24 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 00:59:54 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
wonder if there will be many online tonight
- 199.243.152.24 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 01:01:52 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
temporarily away will be back on in a bit c use soon....
- 199.243.152.24 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 01:15:33 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Lovely fallll weather in KC. In the 80's for tomorrow. Hope everyone is well.
- 171.75.205.53 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 01:20:18 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
HI AGAIN. Well we had a nice Fall day here also in NYC.
- 205.188.208.73 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 01:33:41 (UTC)

Frank A. Kotnik Jr.:
SORRY I MISSED YOU. GOTTA GO.
GUHRTEINOHCHT.
- 205.188.208.104 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 01:47:41 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
I guess I missed everyone again. By the time I get to the computer, it is time to go to bed again. So good night everyone, perhaps we will talk next week
Hilde
- 205.188.208.171 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 02:17:58 (UTC)

sharon eisenzopf:
I'm still around
- 199.243.152.24 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 02:18:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Well it is a quiet night, I guess I'll go also goodnight all.
- 199.243.152.24 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 02:26:29 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi,

Does anyone have information on the Kresse family? My grandmother had 7 or 8 brothers. I would at least like to name the brothers.
- 24.195.47.0 - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 17:01:24 (UTC)

Ron Stalzer:
Just a note to wish every gottsheer a good week ahead.

My father came from Drandul, (trivi Drol) and my Grandfather too. My Grandmother came from Graflinden, but met my grandfather in Brooklyn and married there before returning to Drandul in 1920 and reimagrating to USA in 1930. Her maiden name was Loretitsch. Anyone remember those names.

Gutten Nacht, Ill try to log in latter when the chat is going on.

Ron Stalzer
Aurora, OH, (Cleveland)
- 67.72.228.175 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 00:26:20 (UTC)

Ron Stalzer:
Sorry, I misspelled Travni Dol - just washed my hands and cant do a thing with my fingers!! :-)
- 67.72.228.175 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 00:33:22 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ron and everyone. Hope you had a good Sunday.
Nice of you to share that your family hails from Drandul - Travni dol. I come from Oberblaschewitz, straight up the hill from Drandul - about 20 minutes away. Yes, it is a small world after all.
We attended the dedication mass of the newly renovated chapel in Drandul during the GHGA trip in June of 1999. Talk about celebrating. The mass was sung by the Cleveland Gottscheer Choir, three priests presided, one gave the homily in German and GHGA member Maria Stalzer Wyant Cuzzo was asked to do one of the readings. It was a first for an American to do so. There were around 300 people in attendance and this event was part of the WELCOME HOME GOTTSCHEER CELEBRATION organized by Erik Krisch, President of the Peter Kosler Gottscheer Club in Ljubljana. The members of the other Gottscheer Club, The Altsiedler Verein in Krapflern (the Moschnitze) organized the mass as part of their celebration.
It truly was a wonderful, wonderful day to be there.

Right below Drandul, another 15 or 20 minute walk is the village of Reuter (or Laze). My mother and her 11 Schober siblings (Voyonsh) was born there so I have visited Reuter 6 times since 1984. I was 5 when we left Gottschee in December of 1941 but recognized the Schober house the minute I saw it. This was during my first trip back - in August of 1984.
We have 2 cousins - the Maussers - Gita and Franz still living in Reuter along with another Gottscheer family - the Purebers.
Maria Sieder of Cleveland comes from there too.

So, Ron, thanks for bringing this to our attention. As you can see it brought back a lot of memories.
- 216.251.169.48 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 00:51:14 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skymre:
A HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all our Gottscheers up here in CANADA! Hope you're enjoying the weekend. The weather here in Toronto is absolutely beautiful. Was on a cruise on Lake Couchiching,the Severn River, and Sparrow Lake on Friday, and the leaves in that area have already turned. What a glorious sight!
Still must put some finishing touches on the dinner for tomorrow, so I probably won't be able to join you later. My loss!
Am having some problems with my server - again - and some of my e-mails are not reaching their destination for several days. Almost as bad as snailmail! Sorry about that - they tell me they are working on it, whatever that means.
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 00:54:09 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yikes! I must be tired. Misspelled my own name. Guess after all these many years of marriage, I should know how to spell it.
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 00:57:33 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I ate too much turkey tonight. I'm so full.
- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:04:44 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Hi, I have been wanting to visit with you for months but never seem to get the chance to get on line. Hi Trix and Ridy!
- 152.163.252.231 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:12:40 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Ellie
- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:17:40 (UTC)

:
Guten Abend Alle Gottscheer!
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:17:44 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Hi Trix. Hope you are doing well. So far so good.
- 205.188.209.76 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:18:06 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
so far the chat line is slow tonight
- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:18:34 (UTC)

doris kinkopf:
good evening everyone, happy sunday :)))
- 67.25.43.176 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:19:18 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Hi Sharon
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:19:25 (UTC)

Ridy:
Hi Ellie -
So sorry I missed you in Cleveland.
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:20:49 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ellie. How nice to see your message. WELCOME!!!
Ridy, FINALLY GOT IT - it's Thanksgiving in Canada tomorrow. Wondered why you were ironing the table linens. Have a wonderful day and enjoy. No doubt the table will look lovely and the food will be nummmmmy.
Sharon, hope you enjoyed some turkey for me too.

- 216.251.169.48 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:21:44 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Hi Gregg

- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:21:51 (UTC)

:
Ridy, Guess who is coming for dinner?
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:21:53 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Erna, Greg and Doris. Nice to have you join us. So, what's new in your worlds?
- 216.251.169.48 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:23:07 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
I am so happy...I finally landed a new job! Going to St. Louis for 3 weeks of training starting in a week.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:24:07 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
what kind of job is it Gregg?
- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:25:39 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
This is a sales position. The company sells high-end home theater systems.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:26:51 (UTC)

Ridy:
Whoever that mystery guest is, just be sure to come by about 4 o'clock. Dinner will start at about 5:00 and by 8:00 the left-overs get picked up by the neighbours. I'm not very fashionable when it comes to times anymore. I'm part of the Early Bird crowd now. Used to think it was a hoot - now I think it's sensible.
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:27:09 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Ridy I wish I could come by but KC is a long ways away. I can almost smell the food in the chatroom...and I'm getting hungry.
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:28:41 (UTC)

:
Ridy, 3 o'clock will be just fine.
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:29:57 (UTC)

:
Ridy, buas hoscht due zan assn?
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:33:11 (UTC)

Ridy:
For a minute I thought the mystery guest is znarf - but the numbers don't match up. Oh well, we'll set a place for you anyway. It's the Canadian way.
Gregg - how is the research coming?
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:34:46 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
I think you saw me on election night Ridy. I was wearing a purple striped sweater. If you were watching early in the night I was writing poll counts on the wall with my Hubby.
- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:36:44 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Nothing new, Trix. Al is doing well. We just purchased a preowned 2003 Ford Escape. It is running extremely well. We have 30 days or 500 mi to return if not satisfied.
- 205.188.209.41 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:36:50 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
We didn't make it to the treffen this year. Happy Thanksgiving to all those in Canada! Trix, how are you?

- 205.188.209.112 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:37:00 (UTC)

:
Ridy, Znarf is well and kicking.
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:37:07 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Ridy it's really slowed up. I need to go through all the Gottschee Parish records and gather more info. I guess the GHGA doesn't have these completed yet and so it's microfilm time for me. I went to the local visitor's center and viewed a roll just to see how it worked. Boy do I have some learning to do!
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:38:31 (UTC)

Ridy:
Jo ballein, ben i bessöt bi dos aus geschrieben ischt.
Ich köch schon zwean Tüge long und i pin noch et värtig. Mon konn ju et aus voarköchn.
Flösch geit's zwoierlei - Rindspruten und a Trüthuhn. Gemüse hent fenf vrschiedene sorten, müniche mit Soßen ottr ondre lei gedünschtet. Scholont geits ah allerhond. Freilich terf dr Epfelstrudel et vahlen, ottr d' Cremen a ette.
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:44:18 (UTC)

:
Ridy, i bin ottr schon bei oens bei dir. Et luass ondr zerschst assn.
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:48:30 (UTC)

Ridy:
Sorry I have to cut it short. It's time to empty the dishwasher, and tuck myself in. It'll be a long day tomorrow, because if you ever want to see a messy cook, you gotta come and see my kitchen! Cleaning up after myself wears me out. So does writing in Gottscheerisch!
G'nite all - Gütei Nocht!
- 64.229.235.97 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:48:46 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Good Night Ridy, That Thanksgiving feast sounds delicious and a lot of hard work. Enjoy tomorrow.
- 205.188.208.72 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:50:26 (UTC)

:
Gueti Nocht Ammoe.
- 172.132.137.88 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:50:36 (UTC)

Gregg Lickteig Tramposh:
Goodnight Ridy
- 68.86.80.195 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:50:43 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Good night Ridy. Your menu sounds great. Are you from Canada? Sounded like a Thanksgiving feast to me. Guetei Nocht.
- 205.188.209.105 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 01:55:54 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
all I can say is the turkey was good tonight
- 199.243.152.59 - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 02:01:36 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Hope all the Canadian Gottscheer have had a great Thanksgiving Diner. We had a great diner too. Good health and Happiness to all. God Bless to everone.
Bye for now.
- 24.71.160.198 - Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 04:37:49 (UTC)

Ridy:
Doris Kinkopf - hope all is well with you and yours.
- 64.229.235.165 - Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 21:19:52 (UTC)

Susan Garner:
I am trying to find out how to find my ancestors who I'm pretty sure is from this area. I need to find somekind of translation with some things I found on pictures of my great grandfather John Strauss. He was a retired attorney when he passed away here in Detroit many many years ago. HOw long I don't know. I'm trying to find out who his wife was all we know her as is Ernestine Strauss. Please anyone with information please contact me.
garner_sue@hotmail.com
thanks
sue
- 216.86.80.11 - Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 23:35:44 (UTC)

Susan Garner:
Thank you trix fo forwarding my question to Jim. He is trying to help me out but seems we have come to a dead end. I emailed him back but I haven't heard from him as of yet. I will keep searching for my lost great grandmothers maiden name. Who knows maybe some one can translate some words I have on the back of some pictures. I sure can't read them. Only can read english. Shows you how good I am huh? LOL Again I wanted to thank you very much.
SUE
- 216.86.80.11 - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 00:13:18 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Anyone going to be on tonight?
- 199.243.152.125 - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 01:46:10 (UTC)

hilde kobetitsch:
Hi Ridy and everyone in Canada

Happy Thanksgiving to all and to all a good night.

Talk to you next week

Hilde

- 205.188.209.141 - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 02:33:47 (UTC)

Russell:
Looks like a very quiet night in here.
- 205.188.209.6 - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 05:01:41 (UTC)

Trix:
I am sorry I missed everyone tonight. Have a wonderful week and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.237.142 - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 05:20:56 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Dear Gerry Studier: I am so happy to have a friend like Trix of Minnesota who noticed your message and forwarded same to me. Please contact me at aecerne@aol.com. Erna Verderber Cerne. Thank you, Trix.
- 64.12.96.232 - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 18:33:24 (UTC)

hans gladitsch:
Grüße an alle. Fahr morgen für ein paar Tage nach Gottschee .
- 62.155.254.216 - Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 18:04:56 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend everyone.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 04:28:57 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/25/nyregion/25GERM.html

Check out the above article in the New York Times today! We Gottscheers are mentioned in it several times.
You may have to register with the New York Times to be able to read it, but there is no money involved, and if you check off the box which says that you do not wish to receive any e-mail notices, you will not receive any mail from them. At least, I never have, in all the years I've read their online paper. If you prefer not to register, and you can't access the story, send me an e-mail and I'll copy it to you. ridy@sympatico.ca
- 64.229.252.9 - Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 12:29:55 (UTC)

Russell:
Someone sent me a copy of the article. I couldn't cut and paste it for here. And checking the addy on the mail the person who sent it to me is right below me!
- 64.12.97.14 - Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 22:09:42 (UTC)

IIngeborg Weber:
Helllo ridy,
As promised I am trying to reach you here it is past 8 but I wont remain here because I am to tired had a god toime at Anitas. Servusd from Inge
- 209.81.206.117 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 01:35:10 (UTC)

:
Gruess Euch Gott Alle Miteinander, Alle Miteinander....
- 172.208.52.138 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:36:40 (UTC)

:
Gruess Euch Gott Alle Miteinander, Alle Miteinander....
- 172.208.52.138 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:42:10 (UTC)

:
Gruess Euch Gott Alle Miteinander, Alle Miteinander....
- 172.208.52.138 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:42:53 (UTC)

Znarf:
Where are all the Gottscheers tonight?
- 172.208.52.138 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:47:00 (UTC)

Znarf:
Where are all the Gottscheers tonight?
- 172.208.52.138 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:48:53 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
And who is our Vogelhändler this evening?

Inge - I'm sorry I'm late getting into the Plauderzimmer. Have been on the phone for hours. Typical Sunday evening for me. This time we're also hoping that the fires in So.California are under control soon. My son's girlfriend lives in Rancho Cucamonga, but she hasn't had to evacuate her place yet. One disaster in the world after another. . .
- 64.229.252.9 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:50:34 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Znarf - do you have the hiccups? Did you see the article in the New York Times?
- 64.229.252.9 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:51:32 (UTC)

Ridy :
Znarf - I wanted to tell you that Caroline got a Volvo stationwagon - but the message came back. You must have changed your e-mail address without telling me!
- 64.229.252.9 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:54:16 (UTC)

Ridy :
Gee - talking with myself is no fun at all! It must be the perfume I'm not wearing. . . .
- 64.229.252.9 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:58:49 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Ridy, I will chat with you if you are still around.
- 205.188.209.106 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 03:11:43 (UTC)

Doreen Sandor:
Am I too late tonight?

- 209.210.84.246 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 03:44:56 (UTC)

Doreen Sandor:
It has been a very long time since I have logged on and I do not remember the time of the chat

- 209.210.84.246 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 03:45:18 (UTC)

Doreen Sandor:
It has been a very long time since I have logged on and I do not remember the time of the chat

- 209.210.84.246 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 03:45:31 (UTC)

Russell:
Sometimes it is difficult to remember the time to chat here. Especially after EDT ended and most people (At least those in North America) hav to start thinking EST.
- 152.163.252.162 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 14:37:39 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I think that the Magnetic or Meteorite storm or whatever it is called has effected us all with our thinking!!!???Anyway, before I forget why I got on, wish you all a very good week, and hope next Sunday's Chat will be better.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 18:14:26 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry I couldn't log on Sunday night. Chiefs game was on and they were at home. Hope all are well. Any news?
- 67.74.28.114 - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 21:24:51 (UTC)

Russell:
I had heard that the magnetic stuff was supposed to have hit earth today 10/29/03 about 12 noon EST. Nothing happened.
- 152.163.252.71 - Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 22:22:02 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It was to hit at mid-day today and perhaps interefer with the communication system that the fire fighters use in California....So far no news about it-so hopefully that is a good sign.Dear God, we need your help on the west coast-and the rest of the world-let's all pray...
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 05:32:14 (UTC)

Regina G.:
Yes, the fires in California are terrible I can understand. We here in Kamloops, B.C. CANADA had first hand knowledge as to all the smoke and frames in and around our City. We had smoke from three different fires and our
City was so full of smoke it looked like a very thick fog that doesn't go away. I pray that it the fire is put out soon. We are having great weather now. A bit cool but not freezing yet. Hope everyone on PZ have a GREAT week.
Bye for now and maybe I will get back on Sunday nite.
- 24.67.253.204 - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 02:45:58 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Happy Halloween everyone
- 199.243.152.120 - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 20:30:25 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Boooooooooooooooooooooo!
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 20:56:57 (UTC)

hilde kobetitsch:
I am wondering, I have not really checked into this, but is anyone from Graz able to get onto this site? Can someone let me know, I would appreciate it. I have a cousin, Edelbert Lackner, who writes for the Gottscheer Zeitung in Graz. I wonder if he would be able to sign on from Graz.

Thank you

Hilde

- 205.188.208.12 - Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 01:40:05 (UTC)

Trix:
Yes, Hilda, I am pretty sure that your cousin can leave a message and/or chat with us anytime. Just give him the web site and encourage him to try. I have heard of Mr. Lackner often and just received the Gottscheer Mitteilungsblatt from Graz. He is in some of the photos of the latest addition.

Good luck.
- 209.240.237.154 - Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 02:12:08 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: Don't know what happened, but I lost your email about a Gottscheer something??? Could you send it to me again, please. My fingers get mixed up and I delete stuff accidentally. Thanks.
- 67.74.23.47 - Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 20:53:12 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Sorry. Didn't mean to send same message 3 times!
- 67.74.23.47 - Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 20:55:42 (UTC)

Richard Hutter:
Regina G: I thought I was the only Gottscheer in this part of Canada. We had our fire here in Osoyoos BC quite early in the year and can understand what others are going through.
- 64.114.222.145 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 00:17:17 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello, Richard Hutter!
Where in BC are you? I'm in the place you all love to hate -- Toronto! But I've got relatives and friends in BC.
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 00:36:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Richard Hutter. Another great sounding Gottscheer name. My brother lives in Vancouver and has good friends in or near Osyoos. I know they visit there to pick fruit. To what part of Gottschee is your connection? I am from the Moschnitze area and live in Minnesota since 1952.
- 209.240.237.173 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 00:40:32 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
RICHARD HUTTER, ARE YOU BY ANY CHANCE RELATED TO RICHIE HUTTER THAT USED TO LIVE IN THE RIDGEWOOD/GLENDALE ARE IN NEW YORK?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 01:42:50 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Hi everyone, especially Trix. How are you doing today?
- 152.163.253.102 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 01:53:57 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all are well and had a good week.
- 171.75.238.132 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:18:54 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hello, everyone. The Cowboys won; the Vikings are winning and the Chiefs are doing well for the year. I hope all is well.
- 205.188.208.11 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:19:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Margaret! Do the Chiefs play this week or do they have a free week.
- 205.188.208.74 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:20:17 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Jim: The folks in KCMO are estatic. The Royals had a super baseball season and now our Chiefs are making us proud. The Royals have already announced they are raising prices of baseball tickets for 04 season. Figures.
- 171.75.238.132 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:21:20 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Jim: This is Chiefs by week. They deserve a week off.
- 171.75.238.132 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:22:02 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Oops! I see I spelled my own first name incorrectly. Forgive me. My fingers have a mind of their own.
Werner Lackner are you logged on tonight?
- 171.75.238.132 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:23:52 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello everybody from soggy Toronto! Sure am glad that all the rain we've had today doesn't have to be shovelled. Did you all have a fun Halloween? We shelled out a lot of treats, but there are still some left left.
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:27:08 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Ridy: Did you see my message about sending me the Gottscheer article again? I accidentally deleted it.
Thanks.
- 171.75.238.132 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:29:46 (UTC)

Maargaret Jonke:
Must say auf wiedersehen. Have a super week. Bleib gesund.
- 171.75.238.132 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:30:49 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Halloween was good. My youngest is now 18 and in college. I remember when she was the one knocking on people's doors. We had extra candy and goodies left over. Linda will bring them to work to rid us of the temptation to snack.
- 205.188.209.168 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:31:44 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Yes - Margaret - I sent you another message earlier today.
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:32:03 (UTC)

Trix:
Good evening one and all. Am watching the Viking - Packer game and am keeping my fingers crossed.

Erna, hi. All ok here and hope the same with you.

Margaret - It looks like daughter Maria, son Chuck and boys and I might be attending the Viking - KC game in Mpls. on Dec. 20. YIPPEE!!! Am hoping the weather will cooperate.

Beautiful day here Ridy but we too have had rain and even snow. Thank God it has melted. It just can't be the beginning of winter can it? Just think in just a little over a month it will be Christmas. Where, oh where, has the year gone!!!

Will check back later. Keep a talkin'.
- 209.240.237.173 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:32:45 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ridy,the NY article was great. Nice to see our group getting a little ink.
- 205.188.208.134 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:35:10 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
I have been in short sleeves all weekend. Understand that the weather will be pretty good this coming week, right Jim.
- 152.163.253.99 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:36:13 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Friends of ours dropped off the article in the NY Times-very interesting.
- 152.163.252.97 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:37:05 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Hi Jim and Ridy, Ridy, again thanks so much for the NY TIMES article. Jim, how are you? Last night we went to Hawley and had the famous Saturday night pork chop dinner at Lukan's. It was great as usual.
- 205.188.208.72 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:38:26 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Yes, the NJ weather has been very nice. I started putting the lawn furniture away. Some more work to do but most of it is finished. We took the Halloween decorations down and put up things for Thanksgiving. Nothing overpowering -- Some people go overboard.
- 205.188.208.40 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:38:59 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Hi, Ellie!! My wife and I were up in the Hawley area until this Friday for a week. We bought a house very close to Lake Wallenpaupack. A weekender with expensive electric heat but nice enough to enjoy.
- 205.188.209.102 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:40:29 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We had a nice chat with Eleanor Lukan. She said to say hello to Irene Bigot. We talked about the Tink-Wig Tavern that used to be in Hawley as well as the Century Hotel in nearby Narrowsberg. Both were owned by Gottscheers at one time. The Tink-Wig was right near the Lackawaxen River which runs into the Delaware. What a beautiful area!!
- 205.188.209.11 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:42:38 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Jim, We get to Hawley fairly often since our friends live there. Good luck and happiness in the house near Lake Wallenpaupack. It's lovely there.
- 205.188.208.7 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:43:01 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
There are still several Gottscheer families in the area. I wonder if they are interested in noodling around their family trees. Eleanor has a nice tree that was largely compiled by John Krauland.
- 205.188.209.20 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:44:29 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ellie, we ate at the Alpine Haus as well as the Boat House and an Italian restaurant called Trio. Do you have any other recommendations? Lukan's is cutting its schedule short for the fall and early winter.
- 205.188.208.44 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:46:01 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
I have known Eleanor Lukan since my teens because my parents used to take us there for a short vacation in the summer and my father used to slaughter a pig in the winter up at Lukan's. I remember riding home after the pig was slaughtered and my mother spending the rest of the night rending the fat and making the blutwurst, sausages, etc.
- 205.188.209.16 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:47:19 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Jim, Kenny's on Rte 6 isn't too bad. There is a new restaurant that just opened, Cora's Bistro, that we wanted to try last night but you have to make reservations about two weeks early. It must be pretty good. It's in a building that was painted a virulent purple. I can't wait to try it. The Falls Port Inn is not bad but it is a little pricey. I don't think the Settler's Inn is any bargain, pricewise or food-wise.
- 205.188.208.41 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:51:38 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Jim, If you want German food, there is the Cookoo's Nest which is pretty good, also.
- 205.188.208.171 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:52:51 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
We have not been to Kenny's. Cora's is near the Inn at Old Mill Stream. The color is definitely a sight for the eyes. I agree about both the Falls Port Inn and the Settler's Inn. Settler's is all about appearance but no substance.
- 205.188.208.137 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:53:30 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Where is the Cuckoo's Nest? I have heard about it but have not run across it.
- 205.188.209.20 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:54:05 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
The Cookoo' Nest is on 590 going east toward Lackawaxen. I've only been a passenger so I will have to get better directions from our friends.
- 205.188.209.44 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:56:01 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hmmm - everybody seems to love Lukans in Hawley. It sounds lovely!
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:56:33 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Erna, speaking of German Restaurants --- any in NJ that you would recommend. We went to Niedersteins in Queens recently. First time for me. The sauerbraten was decent but not outstanding. I would bet that few restaurants take the time to make it the right way.
- 205.188.208.133 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:56:55 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I must have past the Cuckoo's Nest without realizing it. We went that way recently but parts of 590 were closed. Ridy, Lukan's was the Gottscheer equivalent of the Catskills. If you could get out of the city in the summertime, Lukan's was the place to go. As usual, I did not learn about it until recently. I am always behind the curve.
- 205.188.209.107 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:59:02 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I meant "passed". OOPS!
- 205.188.208.139 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 02:59:37 (UTC)

Ellie Stonitsch:
Jim was right about Lukan's as an Gottscheer institution. My husband and I have a theory that the reason so many Gottscheers settled in Hawley was that it reminded them of Gottschee - very wooded and rocky!
- 205.188.209.40 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:01:42 (UTC)

Ridy :
That's the very first ever mistake you made in a posting, Jim! That calls for a toast! Cheers!
We've wanted to have our Hoegler Family Reunions at Lukans but they haven't been able to accommodate us. The group is too large.
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:01:52 (UTC)

Ridy :
Erna - where do you live to still be able to out in short sleeves?
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:03:55 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I have never been to Gottschee but the description of Hawley fits. The hills outside of Lukan's remind me of some of the pictures that I have seen of Gottschee.
- 205.188.208.169 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:04:33 (UTC)

Trix:
GREAT sharing. Enjoyed all the messages. Ellie, talk about great memories of your childhood. Very much like mine including working into the night to make the Blutwurst and other sausages. I still love to eat the Blutwurst with Sauerkraut (Gottscheer style, of course) and potatoes. I order them from a Slovenian meat market in Ely, MN. Nummmmy!!!
- 209.240.237.173 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:07:13 (UTC)

Ridy :
Speaking of pictures of Gottschee - Joe Rom was there recently with a group of other Gottscheers, and he has some really terrific pictures. Best I've seen in a long time. They also visited Rann, and I was blown away by a photo of the bridge on which my father and I were caught during an air raid in 1944. I now have a photo to put with my memory.
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:08:15 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Trix, the Vikings are having a tough go of it. They are only down by six but the Packers are really pounding them. The Vikes have a great record but they are still porous on the defense. Tell Carl Eller and Alan Page to suit back up along with some of the great linebackers.
- 205.188.209.166 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:15:52 (UTC)

Ridy :
Gute Nacht, Alle ~
Have a good week.
- 64.229.233.253 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:23:59 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Good night as well.
- 205.188.208.39 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:27:13 (UTC)

Erna Cerne:
Ridy: I live in New Jersey.
- 152.163.252.196 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 03:31:52 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
I DIDN'T MAKE THE CHAT TONITE, BUT I SURE ENJOYED READING IT ALL. ESPECIALLY THE PARTS ABOUT HAWLEY..I,AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER VISITED EVERYONE OF THE EATERIES MENTIONED.FIRST ONE I EVER WENT TO WAS LUKANS. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN I WAS THERE.I WILL NEVER KNOW..ANYWAY THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING BACK SOME WONDERFUL MEMORIES WITH MY GOTTSCHEER FAMILY.
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 04:56:15 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
Ich besuche regelmässig jeden Monat,die Komentare im Gottscheer Plauderzimmer.ich kann englisch wie auch Deutsch lesen und vertehen,macht weiter so.Viele Grüsse an alle Teilnehmer im Plauderzimmer Ted Meditz Baden-Würrtemberg
- 80.145.153.243 - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 19:28:47 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Liebe Grüße aus Toronto, Ted Meditz. Es freut uns das Du Dich hier im Plauderzimmer meldest.
Aus welcher Gegend in Gottschee stammst Du? Ich war noch in Kukendorf, in Walden, geboren, bin aber schon seit 1948 in Canada.
- 64.229.233.253 - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 22:09:32 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Ted. How wonderful to see your message in the Plauderzimmer. CONGRATULATIONS - you made it and we are happy. Hope you are doing wonderful.
- 216.251.169.36 - Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 02:58:45 (UTC)

Trix:
Interesting question:
Meditz literal meaning

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- 209.240.237.164 - Wednesday, November 05, 2003 at 18:04:49 (UTC)

Hilde Kobetitsch:
Since I missed last Sunday chatting with all of you, I will just leave a short message. All these stories about Lukan's, what a place. I myself drove up with my family one year and stayed a whole week. Also the EOUV went there several times. What a place to relax and eat. Mrs. Lukan is from Nestal and her husband was from Unterdeutschau, I believe. What lovely people, the whole family is just super. Mr. Lukan was a lot of fun and very friendly with all of his guests. We have been trying to get a bus to go there for the New York Picnic, but everything is always booked. We used to stay at Lukan's and then go to the Picnic in New York and the next day we left for Cleveland again. That is what I call a vacation. Well I will tune in on Sunday to talk some more.

- 205.188.209.10 - Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 03:10:28 (UTC)

Paul B.:
It is a crummy day on Long Island in N,Y,-Somebody send us some good weather-Ridy?
- 68.194.42.188 - Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 18:29:50 (UTC)

Sharon Eisenzopf:
Sorry Paul all I have is snow here. Still want it?
- 199.243.152.74 - Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 20:27:18 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Hi Sharon---Thanks, but no thanks--not now--send some on Christmas morning. Nice of you to offer....
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 00:57:38 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Does anyone know if the name (surname) GUPTA is Gottscheerisch??
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 00:59:50 (UTC)

Trix:
One never knows but I have never heard it stay. Smile and think happy thoughts.
- 209.240.237.141 - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 05:56:54 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Happy weekend to you all...
- 68.194.42.188 - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 20:23:04 (UTC)

Marilu Peschel Thurman:
Paul, I think the name Gupta is from India, and similar countries.
- 64.12.96.169 - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 02:08:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HI Marilu-That is what Ridy says too. Now I am trying to find out if that is indeed the correct name (the spelling) because the person who gave the name said they were from Austria,,,Sheis a singer that my son was auditioning for one of his gigs, and he probably got the spelling wrong. Have a nice weekend Marilu..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 06:32:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. Hope all had a good week. What about our Chiefs!! 9 wins as of today. Ticket prices will soar next year and parking (at $15 now) will be $20 probably.
- 171.75.205.119 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 02:25:47 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
M
Thanks.any people discussed the restauranat named Lukan last week. Please tell me the address. Do they have a web site?
- 171.75.205.119 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 02:33:44 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
oops! Got that last message all messed up. What I want to know is the address of Lukan's restaurant and if they have a web site?? THanks
- 171.75.205.119 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 02:34:54 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi everyone. Yes Margaret Lukan's do have a web site. Just go your search engine (like Google) and type in Lukan's Farm Resort and BINGO you will see it.
Winter has arrived in Minnesota along with some very cold temperatures and snow. We are hoping that the 40 plus temperature this week might be warm to melt the white stuff. Much, much to early for it - at least for my liking.
Hope you are all well.
- 209.240.245.170 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 03:25:43 (UTC)

frank schmuck:
Qustion Ridy Hoegler what ship and what month did you come to canada? I too arrived in canada aug. 1948 on a ship called" NEA HELLAS" and I live in Vancouver.
- 66.119.174.115 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 03:32:09 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello Frank -
We came on the S.S.Samaria, and docked at Quebec City on September 28, 1949. Do you know my cousins, Helmut and Hugo Eppich? My e-mail address is ridy@sympatico.ca

Sorry I didn't make it on earlier this evening.
- 64.229.239.23 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 03:49:58 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Sorry about that -- I typed the wrong year. We arrived in 1948, of course. (Letting the fingers do the walking doesn't always get me to the right place!)
- 64.229.239.23 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 03:50:56 (UTC)

dan meditz:
hello

- 24.186.242.92 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 03:59:29 (UTC)

dan meditz:
anyone here know of motel meditz?
- 24.186.242.92 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 03:59:45 (UTC)

Trix:
Dan - Motel Meditz, in what Gottscheer town?
- 209.240.245.170 - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 04:13:53 (UTC)

Irene:
Hi everyone,

I also would like to know the literal meaning of the name Meditz. My great aunt married a Meditz.
- 24.195.47.0 - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 19:59:59 (UTC)

Nicole Höefferle:
How is everyone?
- 205.188.209.105 - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 22:10:32 (UTC)

Nicole Höefferle:
How is everyone?
- 205.188.209.105 - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 22:14:07 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Nicole Höfferle. What a neat Gottscheer name! So, please tell us a little about yourself. To which village in Gottschee might you have connections? I was born near Tschermoschnitz and know a Ferdinand Höfferle, now 86 still living in Pöllandl.
- 209.240.245.164 - Friday, November 14, 2003 at 04:24:33 (UTC)

PAUL B.:
WE WISH ALL A NICE WEEKEND.
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, November 15, 2003 at 05:31:08 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Minnesota to one and all. Deer season, at the Wyants at least, is done with for the year. Turned out to be a GREAT experience for our son and grandsons. They filled their tags, the deer are processed and the freezer is happy. Have enjoyed our first venison and French Toast meal. Specialty of this Gottscheer house.

Look forward to chatting tonight. Enjoy the day everyone.
- 209.240.245.70 - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 15:44:50 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix-It would be interesting to learn how this venison and french toast meal is prepared. Anyone else want to know?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 20:44:04 (UTC)

Russell:
Venison on French Toast. I might try it if I can find a place that has it.
- 205.188.209.170 - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 20:56:40 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Guten Abend. I hope everyone had a good week. The Chiefs LOST!! We are stunned. The Bengals finally broke our winning streak!!
- 171.75.239.80 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 01:49:42 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Nicole: Welcome aboard. My maiden name is Jonke. My married name is Murphy. Murphy is too strange on the plauderzimmer, so I use Jonke. My father and ancestors (?) came from Kumerdorf? How about yours?
- 171.75.239.80 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 01:51:57 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
ix: Deer season in Missouri is just beginning. The venison on French toast sounds delicious. Please post the recipe, if you can. Our freezer will soon be full of venison. Nice to have a new recipel.
- 171.75.239.80 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 01:53:29 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
Ridy: My
Tante Leni Jonke was Eppich before she married my uncle, Gustav Jonke. Could there be a connection? Tante Leni is about 80, but no one is supposed to know that.
- 171.75.239.80 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 01:55:14 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Trix is not going to give the reciepe-too busy eating the left overs---right trx?
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 02:03:36 (UTC)

Margaret Jonke:
All
Must log off. Work to do, before bed. Must volunteer tomorrow. Our Fargo family is coming Wed. Much to do. Lots to cook. Auf wiedersehen. Bleib gesund.

- 171.75.239.80 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 02:06:29 (UTC)

hilde Kobetitsch:
Well hello everyone, hope you had a good Sunday. Was kind of gloomy, but thank God no snow.

Hilde
- 205.188.209.5 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 02:36:20 (UTC)

Trix:
Part I:
Good evening to all. I will be glad to post our venison recipe. You all know how to make either French Toast or pancakes. Both are excellent with the venison - Wyant style.
First, I process all of our deer. We do not like venison roast etc so all appropriate meat, starting with the back strap is cut into butterfly steaks - about 1/4th inch thick, cut against the grain. In other words, not with the grain, as it will be tough, but cross ways. When it comes to the thighs I cut along the natural division lines within the meat. Then trim off all excess fat or thick layers of the leather type covering and slice the cut into butterfly steaks, again cross grain. When you are done, you will be looking at many pieces of little steaks. In recent years, rather than cutting all the meat into butterfly steaks I freeze the entire chunk and slice it just before use.
When it comes to frying, take a good large frying pan, use either crisco or oil and heat well. Dip each piece of steak in Bisquick and when the fat is nice and hot fill the pan until covered. Turn down the heat and let it fry until the blood comes to the top. Salt and pepper and if you wish use a little seasoning. Turn the steaks over, season other side, let fry for a few minutes, turn up the heat high for a minute or so until done. Remove. Serve hot with either French Toast or pancakes. I guarantee, you will love it.

- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 02:54:06 (UTC)

Trix:
Part II:

We field dress our deer immediately, register it, bring it home, skin it out and hang it overnight high in a tree to get rid of any body heat.

The other way we love to eat the butterfly steaks, fried the same way, is with mashed potatoes and cream style corn. An excellent combination.

The other pieces of venison not suitable for butterfly steakss are cut into stew meat. This, mixed with pork makes a wonderful Hungarian goulash.

We usually give the ribs and both front shoulders to neighbors who love to eat those pieces. Some, in our neighborhood, make polish sausages again mixed with pork. In our house it is venison as described above.

Hope you will try it and hope you will enjoy it.
- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 02:55:42 (UTC)

Trix:
Interesting posting on the Gottscheer Bulletin Board:
Posted by Frank Colich on November 03, 2003 at 21:12:06:

I was wondering if anyone here knew what the literal translation of Meditz is?

Thanks for your help. Please email responses to my address.

Any thoughts by anyone?

- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 02:58:03 (UTC)

ADOLF PRIMOSCH:
I AM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN MAZERN, YUGOSLAVIA. I SPOKE GOTTSCHEE AND WAS BORN IN MAZERN. I WOULD LIKE TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE. I WAS BORN IN 1939. OUR HOUSE WAS NAMED KLIMERLEISCH. I GUESS THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD KNOW OUR HOME WOULD ALL BE IN THEIR 70' AND 80'S BY NOW. I KNOW MANY NAMES THAT ARE MENTIONED HERE. HOFFERLE'S LIVE NEAR ME AND MY DAD AND MR HOFFERLE PLAYED CARDS TOGETHER. BOTH ARE DEAD NOW. THEY KNEW EACH OTHER IN THE OLD COUNTRY. ALSO THE JONKE NAME AND THE KOBETITSCH NAME ARE FAMILIAR TO ME. I LIVE IN BUFFALO, NY SINCE I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY IN 1952.
- 67.20.224.93 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 04:28:27 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Very Interesting Trix-you are a butcher too. Multi talented. My mouth was watering as I read the posting. I have eaten venison once in my life-when I had my restaurant. Roasted in the oven with apples-someone had told me what to do--can't really remember much about it. All I know is that my bartender who had said he could never eat venison or any wild meats came back for seconds! we did not tell him what he was eating, and I am not going to tell you the rest of the story after he found out!!!
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 04:36:16 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Sooo, have a very nice week everone and stay warm....
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 04:37:10 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Adolf Primosch. Nice to read your message. I was not born in Masern but have been there a couple of times. I was born near Tschermoschnitz, Gottschee (in the Eastern region of the former Gottschee) and immigrated to Minnesota in April of 1952. We arrived in NY on April 26 from Bremerhafen aboard the USNS Gen. Muir. Any chance you were on the same ship?
I am a member of the Gottscheer Heritage and Genealogy Assn. or GHGA, and we have quite a few individuals from Masern. We are a non profit association established to "preserve the history, culture and family records of Gottschee." I hope you will consider joining us in our work.
I have some photos of Masern but cannot help you in identifying any of the houses. I hope some will respond to your inquiry.
Hope to hear from you again. Good luck in your search.

- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 04:38:50 (UTC)

Trix:
Cute story about the bartender Paul. I think I can imagine what happened to him after he found out. No, all kidding aside, venison if properly taken care of, is delicious. On the menu at Baumgartnerhof in Austria, a beautiful hotel/restaurant complex at the base of the Karawanken Mountain Range (border with Slovenia), where we lived from 1946 to 1952 venison and elk are the most expensive items and considered the finest.

- 216.251.169.46 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 04:42:44 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Welcom Adolph. Do you recall the name Kren? My brother-in law Alois Kren was born and lived in Masern until he came to America.HIS FATHER FERDINAND WAS A PERVEYOR OF MEATS -HAD A HUGE BUSINESS...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 04:57:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
TRIX--SOUNDS LIKE YOU FIGURED OUT WHAT HAPPEND WITH MY BARTENDER..HE DID COME IN TO WORK THE NEXT NIGHT AND APOLOGIZED, BECAUSE HE SAID HE REALLY DID LIKE IT SINCE HE CAME BACK FOR SECONDS.. I JUS ASSUME THAT HE NEVER ATE VENISON AGAIN...GOOD NIGHT TRIX...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 05:02:12 (UTC)

Paul B.:
I just realized I spelled Purveyor wrong..Sorry...
- 68.194.42.188 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 05:20:42 (UTC)

:
THANK YOU PAUL AND TRIXIE. WHEN I LEFT MAZERN I WAS ONLY 3 YR. OLD. MY BROTHER'S AND SISTER'S WILL REMEMBER MUCH MORE THAN I BUT, I DO PLAN ON SENDING IN MY APPLICATION FOR GHGA.
I WILL ASK MY SISTER ABOUT ALOIS KREN. THE NAME OF THE SHIP WE CAME HERE ON WAS CALLED HERSHEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHEN I SPEAK WITH MY SISTER I WILL WRITE BACK.
- 67.20.224.93 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 14:20:55 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
I want to say hello to everybody in the Internet Staudacher
Plauderzimmer.Wherever native Gottscheers and anseters live
all over the Wold.And now my interduction!my name is Ted (
( Theobald )born in the long village of Neuberg Tschermoschnitz.In November 1951 i immigrated to Cicago Ill.Oktober 1953 i decidet to get merit to a German girl.
sch was born in Ebersbach wher i live today.Germany.
Since 4.year,i am a member of the Gottscheer Heritage and
Genealogy Association.And vice President of the Gottscheer organization in Germany,and executive of the Gottscheer group of Baden-Würtemberg a state in south Germany.
Special greetings to the in Canada born in Kuckendorf
Gottschee.Best greetings to all, Man and Gils of the Plauderzimmer.I was just going to reed thosearticles in Plauderzimmer log Ted
- 80.145.165.150 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 15:48:02 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
I want to say hello to everybody in the Internet Staudacher
Plauderzimmer.Wherever native Gottscheers and anseters live
all over the Wold.And now my interduction!my name is Ted (
( Theobald )born in the long village of Neuberg Tschermoschnitz.In November 1951 i immigrated to Chicago Ill.Oktober 1953 i decidet to get merit to a German girl.
sch was born in Ebersbach wher i live today.Germany.
Since 4.year,i am a member of the Gottscheer Heritage and
Genealogy Association.And vice President of the Gottscheer organization in Germany,and executive of the Gottscheer group of Baden-Würtemberg a state in south Germany.
Special greetings to the in Canada born in Kuckendorf
Gottschee.Best greetings to all, Man and Gils of the Plauderzimmer.I was just going to reed thosearticles in Plauderzimmer log Ted
- 80.145.165.150 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 15:49:52 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
I want to say hello to everybody in the Internet Staudacher
Plauderzimmer.Wherever native Gottscheers and anseters live
all over the Wold.And now my interduction!my name is Ted (
( Theobald )born in the long village of Neuberg Tschermoschnitz.In November 1951 i immigrated to Chicago Ill.Oktober 1953 i decidet to get merit to a German girl.
sch was born in Ebersbach wher i live today.Germany.
Since 4.year,i am a member of the Gottscheer Heritage and
Genealogy Association.And vice President of the Gottscheer organization in Germany,and executive of the Gottscheer group of Baden-Würtemberg a state in south Germany.
Special greetings to the Man in Canada born in Kuckendorf
Gottschee.Best greetings to all, Man and Gils of the Plauderzimmer.I was just going to reed thosearticles in Plauderzimmer log Ted
- 80.145.165.150 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 15:52:42 (UTC)

Ted Meditz:
I am sorry make a mistake,stil have to learn working with
computers.
- 80.145.165.150 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 16:01:13 (UTC)

John Tschinkel:

Hello Adolf Primosch. I remember when you were born and I remember your parents and all your siblings well. I was 10 when we left Masern in 1941. In Masern I went to school with Siegfried and Arnold and later we walked together to the school in Circle. In Veliko Mrashevo (Gross Mraschau) your house was next to the abandoned church and we all swam in the Krka (Gurke) on warm summer days when the barbed wire gate to the river was open.

I am now finishing a book on life in Masern and Veliko Mrashevo up to and including the "Flucht". It will be published by a major publisher.

If you would like more information on both villages and the history of Masern (settled around 1350) please contact me at JTAT5730@aol.com.

- 152.163.253.35 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 17:20:29 (UTC)

Ridy Maria Magdalene Hoegler Skyrme:
Grüß Dich Gott, Ted Meditz ~
I noticed your mention of Kukendorf in your posting and I wonder if you are related to my friend, Olga Meditz, who lives in Kitchener. . . .
- 64.229.234.148 - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 23:12:45 (UTC)

:
JOHN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY. I WAS SO SURPRISED AND SO HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT MY FAMILY, YOU DO KNOW US! I HAVE E MAILED YOU PERSONALLY AND WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU REMEMBER ABOUT MAZERN.
- 67.20.224.93 - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 03:43:28 (UTC)

hilde kobetitsch:
Hello everyone

- 64.12.96.43 - Friday, November 21, 2003 at 02:56:58 (UTC)

:
Have you checked "www.Gottschee.de" lately ?? Select HOME then FORUM for interesting perspectives.
- 205.188.209.105 - Friday, November 21, 2003 at 16:04:09 (UTC)

Paul B.:
We wish everyone a happy and fruitful weekend..
- 68.194.42.188 - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 01:35:30 (UTC)

Ted Meditz Germany:
Grüß Dich Gott!Hi Ridy Maria Magdalena Hoegler!
I am not related to your Frend Olga Meditz from Kukendof now
living in Kitchener Canada. Anyway,it was nice exchanging a
few words with you okay!!!
- 80.145.159.131 - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 13:12:38 (UTC)

Trix:
Greetings from Minnesota where we are having our first major blizzard of the season. It is snowing, it is blowing and will continue until tomorrow. No question about it - I ain't going anywhere today or probably tomorrow. Good day to be a housewife, cook some good Gottscheer food and stay in touch with friends around the world via the computer.
Take care and enjoy wherever you are and what you are doing and think happy thoughts. Enjoy life!!!
- 216.251.169.28 - Sunday, November 23, 2003 at 16:01:06 (UTC)

:
Have you checked "www.Gottschee.de" lately ?? In six months this website had 20,396 visitors. In Index select HOME then FORUM for interesting information on Gottscheer heritage.
- 152.163.252.164 - Sunday, November 23, 2003 at 19:29:44 (UTC)

Paul B.:
Thank you for reminding-whoever you arre. I just did several print outs of the various pictures of gottschee and the text.Put it in a binder and made a nice little package for my best relative and friendFranz Jaklitsch.. Was that you trix?
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, November 23, 2003 at 19:46:33 (UTC)

Trix:
Hi Paul. No, that was not me but a good reminder for all of us. Snow still falling.
- 216.251.169.28 - Sunday, November 23, 2003 at 21:03:42 (UTC)

Paul B.:
HiTrix-snow? Brrrrr.It may be pretty, but just now I don't envy you.Just be very careful and stay safe and warm..
- 68.194.42.188 - Sunday, November 23, 2003 at 23:11:36 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
HI TRIX:
JUST KEEP SHOVELING!
Weather in New York is very mild. Last two days were absolutly wonderful. Tomorrow rain.
How bad is it?
- 205.188.209.48 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:01:59 (UTC)

tRIX:
Hi Frank. Long time no hear. Hope all is great. We have 9 inches so far and still coming down. Yuk, but the snowmobilers and ice fishermen are happy. Nice to hear from you again.
- 216.251.169.28 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:05:56 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
Trix:
I still have to change the oil on my snow thrower. You never know.
Is this snow normal for your region at this time of year? And how cold is it?
- 205.188.208.167 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:17:36 (UTC)

FRANK A. KOTNIK JR.:
Trix:
I have to put my little one to bed. He just turned two last Saturday.
Stay warm.
Hope to talk to you soon.
Goodnight.
- 205.188.209.166 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:22:27 (UTC)

Jim:
Good luck with the snowstorm. This weekend's weather was a pleasant surprise but you will most likely be sending us your snow pretty soon. The Vikings and Chiefs both won as did the Cowboys. A pretty good weekend so far.
- 205.188.209.48 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:22:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Anyone remember anything about a Schuhmann's resort in Milford, Pennsylvania, the Tink-Wig in Hawley, or a hotel in Narrowsburg, New York. All three were owned by Gottscheers in the late 1940s as per the Gedenkbuch. Went past the Tink-Wig area and Milford this weekend.
- 205.188.209.45 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:25:19 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
The only Gottscheer establishment in that area that is still going is Lukan's resort.
- 205.188.209.139 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:27:22 (UTC)

Ridy Hoegler Skyrme:
Hello!
Just got home after spending a lovely weekend with my sisters. The Hoegler 'girls' like to get together, and our occasional weekends give us a chance to catch up on whatever we need to catch up on. This time we even tried to see how many quaint Gottscheer expression we could remember. Trouble was, our memories are fading fast! We catch outselves doing what we used to find amusing when our parents did it -- use 2 or 3 languages in one sentence! Since I'm the oldest,what I say is the final word, right or wrong, when it comes to Gottscheerisch. We even sang a few songs, but soon realized we've forgotten lots of the words. It would take practice. At least at Mass at the Cathedral we were able to follow the words (in English) in the hymnals.
Imagine a Gottscheer owning a place called Tink-Wig, Jim! That I am absolutely certain is not a Gottscheer name! Or is it?
- 64.229.233.248 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:32:46 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Don't know where Tink-wig came from. I came across it in the Gedenkbuch. Eleanor Lukan Hochreiter told me that the place burned down a while ago but there is a huge section of land that is still in the Hawley area called Tink-Wig where many houses are currently located.
- 205.188.209.104 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:44:03 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Glad to hear that you overcame the nasal stuffiness and had a good time.
- 205.188.209.46 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:44:42 (UTC)

Ridy:
It's amazing, Jim ~ my nasal stuffiness started to disappear on the train out of Scarberia and by the time I reached my destination, it had disappeared completely. Funny, really, that's what my sisters said would happen! We saw Mama Mia this afternoon, and by the time it was over, we were practically dancing in the isles! What a fun show that is!!!!
- 64.229.233.248 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:48:02 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Sometimes the best medicine is just to get up and do something. The body gets moving, the endorphins start pumping and the aches go away. Make sure you get a good night's sleep and have an apple to keep the doctor away :) .

- 205.188.208.167 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 02:56:33 (UTC)

Ridy:
I certainly wouldn't quarrel with that advice, Doctor! And my fruit basket has enough apples in it to make a Strudel, but I'll keep a few out for my Müsli.
By the way, I took the first (final?) draft of the recipe collection along, so that my sisters could give it their imprimatur.....but they were not generally impressed. I have a section in it which I call "Strudel Aller Arten" - and they did approve of that. Sisters are very hard to please! But the CDs should be ready to be included with the Christmas cards this year.
- 64.229.233.248 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 03:04:00 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
Ah, siblings -- the hardest critics and biggest supporters. Go figure. Yin and the yang.
- 205.188.208.41 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 03:09:01 (UTC)

Ridy:
Love 'em both!
- 64.229.233.248 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 03:14:35 (UTC)

Jim Heimann:
I am going to bid you a fond good evening. Time to wrap it up for the evening. Ridy, have a good week. Keep in touch.
- 205.188.209.70 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 03:18:59 (UTC)

Ridy:
G'nite -
Time for me to bid this past week a fond farewell as well. Time for you to start thinking about your
Thanksgiving! Maybe I'll decide to be an American on Thursday. . . . .I love turkey!
Gute Nacht!
- 64.229.233.248 - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 03:21:21 (UTC)